On trials in the Airborne Forces revealed serious shortcomings of foreign sniper rifles

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On trials in the Airborne Forces revealed serious shortcomings of foreign sniper rifles

The commander of the Airborne Forces, Lieutenant-General Vladimir Shamanov, declared serious shortcomings of foreign sniper rifles, which the paratroopers revealed during tests of this weapons in the army.

In an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta published on 16 in May, General Shamanov said: “After our snipers received special training, the airborne troops passed 20 sniper rifles of foreign manufacture for testing. We tried them in all climatic conditions. Along with the advantages over our weapons, we revealed imported specimens have significant drawbacks. Foreign rifles in the cold get lumbering, stop shooting in the sand. "

We are talking about sniper rifles Austrian company steyr mannlicher. It was reported that the 30 of these rifles at the end of 2011, entered service with special forces and reconnaissance units of the airborne troops.

The paratroopers "were once again convinced that unpretentiousness is the traditional dignity of Russian weapons, which must be cherished." “But, of course, not at the expense of quality,” notes Shamanov. Recently, "there are big advances in the creation of devices that increase the effectiveness of automatic weapons." "For example, the Shahin thermal imager has appeared, the properties of collimator sights, the entire spectrum of optics have improved," said Shamanov.

The Commander of the Airborne Forces spoke about the introduction of automation equipment into the troops, which make up the elements of the Polet-K system. It will significantly reduce the time for exploration, search and transmission of target indications. What ultimately will increase the accuracy and effectiveness of the fire of the enemy.

Shamanov said that the weapons factories in Izhevsk and Tula are re-equipping the machine park, which produces small arms, which work in the Airborne Forces. "Now we are waiting for their products to significantly improve their fighting qualities, which will make it possible to begin replacing old Dragunov sniper rifles," Shamanov said.

The general believes that "the need to have a Kalashnikov assault rifle in an infantry chain has not disappeared." "Having passed a number of improvements, he has and will have his niche on the battlefield. Another question is that a large stock of such weapons has been accumulated in the army, more machine guns are not yet needed. Rather, it is necessary to modernize the available samples."

From the beginning of the 2012, on the basis of the Pskov paratrooper airborne division, military tests of the Shahin thermal imaging sight, based on an uncooled microbolometric matrix, have been tested.

The "Shahin" sight is integrated into an automated troop control system and has a video output that allows you to use a helmet-mounted monitor for firing from cover.

The electronic processing unit of the sight allows you to enter ballistics for seven types of weapons, as well as to introduce horizontal and vertical corrections during firing. This allows you to perform a procedure to bring a weapon to a normal battle on one type of weapon and then use the sight on other types. For this, the shooter is only required to electronically enter the appropriate ballistics.
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  1. Yoshkin Kot
    +13
    18 May 2012 12: 38
    Well, it’s not worth it to hammer nails into microscopes, the precision of processing gives micron tolerances, and the sand wedges the shutter by itself, there is no other way to achieve subMOA, you can’t write anything here. the unpretentiousness of our weapons, on the one hand does not allow it to jam, on the other it reduces accuracy, a typical story about a burridan donkey
    1. Olegovich
      -13
      18 May 2012 12: 43
      Yes, professionalism in Shamanov’s statements is not enough. He said he was chopped. He apparently wants to sniper in the sand bathed in the water and urinated for a position.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        +2
        18 May 2012 12: 46
        Yeah, and even the maroon beret earned! laughing
        1. YARY
          +4
          18 May 2012 15: 12
          Advertising is always tastier than the crap we get.
          A foreign advertisement even more!
          So you have to have your own rifles !!! angry angry
          1. Dmitry23RUS
            +3
            18 May 2012 16: 34
            We already have everything good, and rifles too. They need to be improved by maleha and that's it. And others do cartridges.
      2. +14
        18 May 2012 13: 01
        Olegych, as Levsha said, Aglitsky rifles are not cleaned with bricks.

        I will choose a simple, trouble-free, albeit not entirely accurate (beat not a squirrel in the eye). And in real life, my poor AK was swimming in the swamp, and crawled in clay and there was never a misfire or skew.
      3. +21
        18 May 2012 13: 17
        A friend ... Shamanov spoke out as a real soldier ....- he is not interested in microns, but how a Russian sniper fighter will be let’s fight in Afghanistan or the Arctic .... so that at the last right moment the weapon does not fail. ..
        1. -3
          18 May 2012 17: 09
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          ... but how a Russian sniper fighter will be let’s fight with these weapons in Afghanistan or the Arctic ....


          And how are the staff in Afghanistan doing without SVD, I wonder? ...
          1. 0
            19 May 2012 15: 06
            Quote: Roman-75
            And how are the staff in Afghanistan doing without SVD, I wonder? ...

            And on the staff of PPSh-41 in Iraq?
      4. +8
        18 May 2012 13: 26
        And you think that the sniper will choose a position exclusively from the windows of the office of mines. defense?
      5. +7
        18 May 2012 14: 24
        Quote: Olegych
        Yes, professionalism in Shamanov’s statements is not enough. He said he was chopped. He apparently wants to sniper in the sand bathed in the water and urinated for a position.

        So Shamans are an athlete or a military man.
        He probably wants his fighters to have reliable and high-quality weapons.
      6. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
        +10
        18 May 2012 14: 49
        Have you ever landed from an IL-76 with military weapons? I’m yes, and I’ll tell you that the Shaman is right for all 100; first of all, reliable weapons are needed in the landing. What is the use of this shit of the Austrian-German-Belgian, if the combat mission is not fulfilled with him! How to use a hoe or a dubie or something? And a sniper is a fighter, if you land in spring or autumn - in the mud to the ears - always. So neh .. here it’s not the case to sharpen the hairline.
        1. DERWISH
          +2
          18 May 2012 17: 16
          CONCLUSION In combat weapons should be trouble-free possesses fatal Destructive Actions and reliable and easy to ANY CONDITIONS OF CLIMATE AND POLLUTION IS A WEAPON IS AND IT RUSSIAN PRODUCTION A TOPIC ABOUT sniper units should be in my opinion a few samples of sniper rifles for paratroopers MOBILE SAFE rapid-AS The Airborne Troops Fulfills CERTAIN DETERMINED MILITARY MASS BATTLE TASKS AND FOR THE SPECIALIZED LARGE-SIZED MOBILE SILENT AND FOR THE SNIPER CONTROL YOU CAN AND IMPORT HIGH-PRECISION VENOO SUCH SAMPLES ARE COMPLEX AND HIGH TECHNOLOGY IN THE PLAN OF MANUFACTURE AND DEMAND THE EDUCATED AND ACCURATE APPROACH TO USE
    2. vosovec
      +9
      18 May 2012 12: 46
      In principle, I agree. But here one more question begs. Why the army needs foreign weapons. After all, the army is the defense of a sovereign community from aggression from outside. But how to protect if a weapon is foreign - a potential adversary - you will not receive either new or ammunition ...
      1. DERWISH
        0
        19 May 2012 18: 53
        CURRENTLY sniper weapons FOREIGN PRODUCTION HAS THE MANUFACTURE unique technology as in the case Grachev Glock 2 related products NO Rooks MINUS QUALITY CONSTRUCTION AND NOTICE IS NOT MATERIAL NAMELY unique technologies that are currently our industry MASS HAS SO pochemuby for certain segments KONTRSNAYPERSKOGO WEAPONS And NO?
    3. +9
      18 May 2012 12: 48
      Quote: Yoshkin Cat
      Well, microscopes shouldn’t be hammering nails,

      Soviet microscope can good
      Let’s see how Tula and Izhevsk answer, it’s not the first time they have something to refute dogmas and impossible to do
      1. +25
        18 May 2012 12: 57
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Soviet microscope can


        Why translate microscopes? there is a good old K-9 (sledgehammer 9 kilograms) ....... good
        1. vosovec
          +12
          18 May 2012 13: 00
          The most fun counter-sniper fight good
        2. t1
          t1
          +4
          18 May 2012 13: 19
          From afar, it seemed like the SVD was in the hands, not a sledgehammer. Also an option))
        3. +3
          18 May 2012 13: 45
          there is a good old K-9

          Counter-sniping event !!! laughing good
    4. -6
      18 May 2012 14: 48
      Well, you mad cat serve 10 years in the army and then say that it is better to use a microscope or an ax.
      1. 755962
        +5
        18 May 2012 16: 12
        A harsh answer, a harsh man: You have to invent your own weapon! Simple as five kopecks, reliable as a "crowbar" and as powerful as a steam hammer. Why is ORSIS SE T-5000 bad?
        1. +2
          18 May 2012 17: 46
          Caliber-7,62x51 (.308 Win), .338 Lapua Magnum
          For bulk purchases, it won’t work, but for special units it may be quite ...
    5. Neighbor
      +6
      18 May 2012 16: 31
      You can always find a middle ground. No wonder - the whole world is fighting Kalash and RPG.
      And it is not for nothing that half of the world is ours - it purchases Russian weapons.
      I didn’t even doubt the reliability of the imported weapons. When was she good?
      Vaughn - Amer’s newest fighter - pilots refuse to fly! belay laughing This is what it says - a lot !!! Plastics stuffed - and come down. So it is there. Just that - accidentally dropped to the ground and Khan !!!
      Quote: Olegych
      He apparently wants to sniper in the sand bathed in the water and urinated for a position.

      What do you think a sniper is fighting - in cleanliness, white gloves and sterility? So this is for surgeons !!!
      A sniper is sitting for hours ... knows in which pits, bushes and puddles. And if - Rain? Take an umbrella with you - Yes? And the wind with dust? And dropped, fell. What then? Khan to the sniper!
      Think - before writing such a blizzard. If you didn’t come across it, just go to the construction site for a day to work - and see how you will be - how much dust and dirt will be on you. This is about the same thing - lying on the ground in holes and crawling through bushes under snow, wind and rain, and also - figs knows where and when to. Yes
      Therefore - the reliability of weapons - especially for a sniper - is in 1st place !!! Yes Accuracy and range are important - but secondary to the real Pro. They probably heard how the Chukchi beat the squirrels in the eye. Without any optics and other gadgets. In Chechnya, there was one such one - 250 militants laid — all purely in the head — one — with its old fart. And he remained alive at the same time - and did - the best Chechen sniper - armed from and to - a super-duper Amer rifle. belay
      More to such - snipers to us!
      Glory to Russia!!!! drinks
      1. +1
        18 May 2012 17: 11
        Quote: Neighbor
        In Chechnya, there was one such one - 250 militants laid — all purely in the head — one — with its old fart. And he remained alive at the same time - and did - the best Chechen sniper - armed from and to - a super-duper Amer rifle.


        The source of this enchanting nonsense is in the studio, please!
        1. Vadim555
          +5
          18 May 2012 17: 59
          Quote: Roman-75
          Roman-75 Today, 17:11 new 1 Quote: Neighbor
          In Chechnya, there was one such one - 250 militants laid — all purely in the head — one — with its old fart. And he remained alive at the same time - and did - the best Chechen sniper - armed from and to - a super-duper Amer rifle.

          The source of this enchanting nonsense is in the studio, please!


          Especially for .....

          Volodya sniper
          http://www.3rm.info/21243-voinu.html


          The Order of Courage found Volodya Kolotov after six months. On this occasion, they were celebrated by the whole collective farm, and the commissar allowed the sniper to go to Yakutsk to buy new boots - the old ones were already leaky in Chechnya. The hunter stepped on some pieces of iron.

          On the day when the whole country learned about the death of General Lev Rokhlin, Volodya also heard about the incident on the radio. For three days he drank alcohol at the cottage. He was found drunk in a temporary hut by other hunters who returned from fishing. Volodya kept repeating drunk:
          - Nothing, Comrade General Rokhlya, if we need to come, you just say ...
          He was sober in the nearest creek, but Volodya has since no longer put on his people the Order of Courage.
          1. 0
            18 May 2012 19: 04
            Quote: Vadim555
            Especially for .....

            Volodya sniper
            http://www.3rm.info/21243-voinu.html


            Thanks for the link, of course, but, IMHO, it is somehow not respectable to give out someone’s fiction as a full-fledged source of information.
            1. Vadim555
              +2
              18 May 2012 19: 21
              Quote: Roman-75
              Thanks for the link, of course, but, IMHO, it is somehow not respectable to give out someone’s fiction as a full-fledged source of information.


              And in Russia the last 1000 years, everything is only fiction mainly. Here you are real, because you can touch yourself. Everything else is fiction.
              There was probably a Great Patriotic War, although they probably lie more. Berlin didn’t take it, it’s a blatant lie, and photos of that war are photoshop.
              1. +1
                18 May 2012 21: 06
                Quote: Vadim555
                And in Russia the last 1000 years, everything is only fiction mainly. Here you are real, because you can touch yourself. Everything else is fiction.
                There was probably a Great Patriotic War, although they probably lie more. Berlin didn’t take it, it’s a blatant lie, and photos of that war are photoshop.


                Of course, there was no Second World War.
                And the eyewitnesses are lying. And everyone is lying, scoundrels, surprisingly well - that the Germans, that the Russians, that the British, that the Americans, that the Japanese. Probably, they were instructed in the same office what to say. And the pictures they have, you see, are fabricated in the same laboratory. And the injuries to the veterans, one must think, were "falsified" in the same hospitals ...
                And the weapons of the warring parties, apparently, were produced at the same factories. Yes, how cleverly, bastards, they did everything - even the numbers of the destroyed military equipment in the messages of the opposite parties coincide where necessary.
                Okay, sarcasm aside. I just wanted to say that it is difficult to falsify History, there are too many independent witnesses, and, if you wish, it is quite possible to restore a more or less objective picture using common sense.

                In contrast to the tales about "Volodya the Sniper".
                Lord, yes there is rubbish at every step sticking out in all directions!
                Starting from 20 militants, killed every night, and ending with the "Boer sniper rifle, produced by British gunsmiths to order back in the 70s" ... From American camouflage, impregnated with a composition that does not allow a fighter to be detected with NVG, to grandfather's carbine of the hunter-sable, four shots from which practically merge into one ...
                Yes, I would be ashamed to write such crap! This is just an insult to real snipers, the desire, IMHO, to reduce their most difficult work to the level of moronic shooters !!
                1. +2
                  19 May 2012 00: 13
                  And the Americans broke Germany, with the support of the British ... But we were not there ...
                  Yes, I would be ashamed to write such crap! This is just an insult to real snipers, the desire, IMHO, to reduce their most difficult work to the level of moronic shooters !!

                  Rifle "Bur" in the course of this:
                  Country: United Kingdom
                  Length: 1129 mm
                  Length of the gate: 851 mm
                  Weight: 3,9 kg
                  Caliber: .450 (11,4 mm)
                  Cuts: 7, lion.
                  Ammunition supply: single cartridges, manual loading
                  Nachalnaya speed of the bullet: 411 m / s
                  Obviously, it was precisely these rifles at that time that got the name "drill", which they were "assigned" by volunteers who fought on the side of the Boers from European countries, including Russia. It was the British who were so afraid of them - after all, a bullet from a gun of such a caliber, when hit, was guaranteed to incapacitate and, if it didn’t kill, it turned a person into a cripple.
                  A terrible thing, not even a bronic rescue (the sternum sticks into the spine)
                2. Vadim555
                  +2
                  19 May 2012 01: 38
                  Quote: Roman-75
                  In contrast to the tales about "Volodya the Sniper".


                  I will try to meet you.
                  Suppose (?) These events were not, but for the patriotic education of boys is an example!
                  After all, if we take the epic history of Russia, then Ilya Muromets probably did not fight with the Serpent Gorynych, but the little boys are in admiration. So, by little, Patriotism is laid.
                  Who is Susanin? Was he? Did he accomplish his feat? There are no documents left.
                  Most likely, he was and led the Poles to perdition and he perished.
                  But even if this is a popular rumor, it does not change the essence.
                  All this serves as an example for the guys who in the future will be the defenders of the Motherland. Therefore, do not be indignant that this person does not exist. For the guys, this is an example.

                  Quote: Roman-75
                  This is just an insult to real snipers, the desire, IMHO, to reduce their most difficult work to the level of moronic shooters !!

                  Based on the positions set forth by me, the real pros, I think, will not be offended.

                  PS. Article, naturally not mine, you asked for a link, I posted.
                  1. 0
                    19 May 2012 11: 52
                    Quote: Vadim555
                    I will try to meet you.
                    Suppose (?) These events were not, but for the patriotic education of boys is an example!
                    After all, if we take the epic history of Russia, then Ilya Muromets probably did not fight with the Serpent Gorynych, but the little boys are in admiration. So, by little, Patriotism is laid.
                    Who is Susanin? Was he? Did he accomplish his feat? There are no documents left.
                    Most likely, he was and led the Poles to perdition and he perished.
                    But even if this is a popular rumor, it does not change the essence.
                    All this serves as an example for the guys who in the future will be the defenders of the Motherland. Therefore, do not be indignant that this person does not exist. For the guys, this is an example.


                    No, I do not agree.
                    There is no need to try to educate patriotism on fictitious (and even so idiotically fictional as in the case of "Volodya the Sniper") examples. Otherwise, when the truth is revealed (and this happens quite often), those very little guys may well have a feeling of persistent disgust for the country / ideology that lied to them so blatantly.
                    Patriotism, IMHO, must be taught by examples genuine heroes. We have a lot of them. Rather than invent idiotic fables about "Volodya the Sniper", it would be better to tell about real hero-snipers, the same Mironov, Culbertinov (by the way, both are Yakuts! And these are by no means mythical personalities!), Zaitsev, Ilyin, Okhlopkov, Sidorenko, Passare, Nomokonov ...
                    And note, by the way, that none of these professionals attributed to themselves such fantastic performance as what the shooter in Chechnya supposedly differed. It, in my opinion, is understandable - people did not humiliate themselves with stupid chatter ...
                    1. -1
                      19 May 2012 12: 09
                      I wonder who overshadowed my post about the need to cultivate patriotism with real heroes as examples.
                      Does this person have serious problems with logic? Or maybe even with the psyche? Or how?
                      I'm not aiming to mock him, just curious ...
                      1. Yoshkin Kot
                        0
                        22 May 2012 10: 10
                        I haven’t minus it yet, but take away the riffraff, this symbol has been fucked up, for a long time it will be a symbol of Hitlerism
        2. +2
          18 May 2012 23: 55
          The source of this enchanting nonsense is in the studio, please!

          Somewhere I heard about this case, there almost a person worked with a mosin
  2. +1
    18 May 2012 12: 46
    Question: And what kind of Moscow arms company, which also makes rifles, and someone out of relatives works someone ...?
    1. +3
      18 May 2012 12: 57
      Orsis T-5000. Until recently, the director general was a relative of Rogozin.
      1. +1
        18 May 2012 13: 25
        Now, look and pay attention to the T-5000!
        1. -2
          19 May 2012 00: 21
          Yes, you and your T-5000 are dumbfounded, they will only be able to reach the level of Izhmash in 10 years (with abrupt financing / lending) in order to supply at least 1000 rifles per month. It's not just about money, but also about the quantity of products delivered over a period of time ... IMHO
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            0
            22 May 2012 10: 11
            Izhmash level? and on a fig? they do, precision, it’s a completely different path
            1. 0
              22 May 2012 10: 22
              they do, precision, it’s a completely different path

              Yes, even if 1000 units are needed for SPN units, the question is how long they will produce them ...
      2. -5
        18 May 2012 14: 49
        The gender of this enterprise wrote that he could not establish mass production, because the quality of the machines is awful. Trunks almost manually have to bring to mind.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          0
          22 May 2012 10: 12
          Yeah, go to the Hansa, talk to people who work there, maybe you won’t carry nonsense
  3. +5
    18 May 2012 12: 48
    And did you want to see something else from this import? .. Good weapons are expensive and they hardly took place at this competition. And consumer goods, he is consumer goods ...
    1. +1
      18 May 2012 13: 48
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Good weapons are expensive and they hardly took place in this contest.

      Absolutely on purpose - the Manlicher does not shine with anything outstanding, the usual altered version of a banal hunting pattern.
  4. Ataturk
    +6
    18 May 2012 12: 48
    And what did Dragunov not like?
    1. +2
      18 May 2012 13: 02
      We came to the conclusion that accuracy, range and accuracy are lower.
      1. 0
        19 May 2012 00: 24
        We came to the conclusion that accuracy, range and accuracy are lower.

        So what's the matter, to joke around the warehouses, find the Soviet SVD and SKS, remake the kit and go ... For example, I looked for my rifles like SKS, Tiger ...
        1. +1
          19 May 2012 06: 24
          Quote: PSih2097
          find Soviet SVD and SCS

          But what, is SCS not of Soviet manufacture?
        2. Yoshkin Kot
          0
          22 May 2012 10: 13
          So what? when fired, the details begin to move and shoot down the sight, for long distances this is critical
    2. +3
      18 May 2012 13: 30
      And what did Dragunov not like?

      Nobody refuses from SVD, just expanding tactics and variety of weapons to carry out sniper activities, various tasks.
      1. Ataturk
        +5
        18 May 2012 13: 36
        I don’t really trust Western weapons.
        1. Kamilla
          +5
          18 May 2012 13: 40
          Quote: Ataturk
          I don’t really trust Western weapons.


          Russian is much better !! wink
          1. Ataturk
            +5
            18 May 2012 13: 50
            Quote: Kamilla
            Russian is much better !!

            Well, of course. I have many different rifles.
        2. +2
          19 May 2012 00: 25
          I don’t really trust Western weapons.

          in vain, there are very interesting specimens, for example from Germany and everyone is in the TOP CB ...
      2. +2
        19 May 2012 00: 39
        just expanding tactics and a variety of weapons to carry out sniper events, various tasks.

        what are you, when this tactic gets into the troops in the form of manuals, then I’ll believe it, but the fact that snipers need to change their trunks is for sure.
  5. +10
    18 May 2012 12: 50
    Honestly, I didn’t get to what the article was about, neither about advantages, nor about disadvantages. But so that does not happen
    Foreign rifles grow stiff in the cold, they stop shooting in the sand. "
    the drummer’s spring must be wiped dry from the grease, i.e. remove it before work at all, then neither the condensate in the lubricant will freeze, nor the mineral dust will stick to the oil, these are the nuances with the bolts ... Yes
    And the general correctly speaks about Kalashmat good to upgrade to the troops.
    1. +13
      18 May 2012 13: 38
      ...... it is necessary to dry the spring of the drummer and the drummer from the grease dry, i.e. remove it before work at all, then neither the condensate in the lubricant will freeze, nor mineral dust to m .............This is just a big question in relation to imported models of small arms, as they say that a Russian (Kalash, Dragunov, etc.) is good, then a German is killed .... "maybe they won't shoot after such procedures :)
      1. +5
        18 May 2012 13: 43
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        maybe they won’t shoot after such procedures :)

        So that in extreme conditions, the force of the spring of the drummer was enough to break through domestic oak capsules - remove grease before firing Yes
      2. +9
        18 May 2012 13: 55
        Your math, what is the original camouflage of the NATO.
        1. +7
          18 May 2012 14: 50
          Sanya, this is not camouflage, it’s NATO, just without camouflage. True face, so to speak
          1. +6
            18 May 2012 14: 59
            Did they already have no one left to call?
  6. ANTURAG
    +5
    18 May 2012 12: 56
    The general believes that "the need to have a Kalashnikov assault rifle in the infantry chain has not disappeared."

    Naturally, it has not disappeared and in the near future this will not happen.
    No need to reinvent the wheel, you need to equip it to the proper level.

    In general, the Russian proverb applies to our military-industrial complex: What we don’t store, having lost by crying. Enough to buy any guano. Our weapons are better - they need to be improved. Here Yes
    1. +5
      18 May 2012 19: 22
      Agree with the opinion, ANTURAG. Foreign firms successfully sell our weapons, even those that have been removed from service. For example, after a little tuning, they get a hot product from AK, Mosinok, SKS, RPD. In the photo, our RPD is like an assault carbine with a belt feed (such a light machine gun would not hurt our infantry).
  7. Yarbay
    +6
    18 May 2012 13: 01
    ** The paratroopers "once again made sure that unpretentiousness is a traditional advantage of Russian weapons, which must be cherished." "But, of course, not to the detriment of quality," notes Shamanov ** - the correct idea!
    I have a question forum users, who knows how the name is given to this or that type of weapon, is there a special classification or arbitrarily ??
    Just often began to meet the Turkic names!
    Iskander is now Shahin!
    1. +9
      18 May 2012 13: 14
      Quote: Yarbay
      Just often began to meet the Turkic names!
      Iskander is now Shahin!

      Political correctness with an eye on the market of potential buyers.
      AND! - By the name of R&D or competition: “Rook”, “Judge”, etc .;
      - according to the letter of modification: “Angara” - С-200А, “Vega” - С-200В, “Dubna” - С-200Д, etc.
      - abbreviation: "Kord" - Kovrov Orzujniki-Degtyarevtsy; "Nona" - the New Land Artillery Cannon, etc .;
      - according to the logic of the series: self-propelled guns - “flower series”: “Hyacinth”, “Tulip”, “Peony”; air defense systems - “river series”: “Shilka”, “Tunguska”, “Dvina”, “Neva”; MLRS - natural disasters: “Grad”, “Tornado”, “Hurricane”;
      - associative: portable anti-aircraft missile systems - "Arrow", "Needle"; jamming system - "Moshkara"; - camouflage suits of a sniper - “Goblin”, “Kikimora”;
      - Army humor: handcuffs - "Tenderness"; sapper blade - "Excitement", a heavy flamethrower system - "Pinocchio";
      - in honor of the creators: the Vladimir tank (named after the chief designer); Antey-2500 anti-aircraft missile system (according to the name of the developing company);
      - by a pronounced property or action: tank dynamic protection "Contact" (triggered on contact); fire extinguishing system "Hoarfrost" (sprays powder), a shot to the under-barrel grenade launcher - "Foundling" (after colliding with an obstacle, the expelling charge throws a grenade to a height of 2-3 meters, where the main explosion occurs) "
      1. +1
        18 May 2012 13: 31
        more humor .....

        PUS-1 "Argument" is a universal special straight stick, 480 or 650 mm long.
        PUS-2 "Argument-M" / "Argument-B" is a universal special stick with an additional handle, 480 or 650 mm long.
        1. +1
          18 May 2012 14: 54
          popular - "democratizer"
      2. Yarbay
        +5
        18 May 2012 13: 32
        Leonid Olegovich thank you very much!
        1. +3
          18 May 2012 13: 33
          Yes Glad to make friends.
  8. S_mirnov
    +4
    18 May 2012 13: 29
    Serious disadvantages are not in rifles, but in the heads of those who purchase foreign weapons. Although what remains to be done when its own defense industry is in ruin, and the fleet of high-precision machine tools was last updated under the USSR.
    1. +4
      18 May 2012 13: 38
      Quote: S_mirnov
      The fleet of precision machines was last updated under the USSR.

      It seems that something is changing - at IzhMash the whole workshop, line, is being modernized, such as junk for the ejection, the newest delivery - from where xs, and it probably doesn’t matter anymore, you need to do it urgently, high-precision (oh! feel Scalamburil verse)
    2. +4
      18 May 2012 13: 40
      indeed. any of our professional sniper names the most advanced types of rifles in the world, and if the experts were interviewed and foreign samples were purchased after taking their wishes into account, then there would be no complaints ... all the more, there are good foreign rifles in the special forces ... we have enough specialists ..
  9. +3
    18 May 2012 13: 37
    Shaw, you wanted a decent west to sell us a decent shot. You have to do your own. Shaw in Russia few weapons Kulibin? Enough.
  10. Ataturk
    +2
    18 May 2012 13: 46
    I would like to know my colleagues what you will say about the IST-14,5 Istiglal Azerbaijan sniper rifle. I just would like to hear what colleagues and friends in the forum say about this weapon. I’m just from Azerbaijan, they say one thing, I would like to hear your opinion.



    IST Istiligil

    Weight: 29 kg (equipped with a telescopic sight)
    Barrel length: 1220 mm
    Caliber 14.5x114 mm
    Mechanism: manual reloading, longitudinally sliding shutter
    Maximum range: 2500 m.
    Sight: 8X quick-detachable scope

    IST-14.5 Istiglal - the rifle is built on the basis of a traditional scheme with manual reloading with a longitudinally sliding rotary bolt. Locking the barrel with a bolt is carried out on 6 combat stops. The barrel IST-14.5 quick-change, which allows in the field to change the caliber of the rifle by installing a new barrel complete with a bolt and a magazine for a different caliber.
    The main purpose of this rifle is to combat technical and material means of the enemy at medium and large (for small arms) ranges. To do this, the rifle uses very powerful ammunition - 14.5mm armor-piercing. The main goals for the IST Istiglal rifle can be cars, planes and helicopters in parking lots, communications, fuel depots, against which 20mm shells are especially effective. 14.5mm cartridges are used for firing at more protected targets, such as armored personnel carriers or fortified structures, or when firing at long ranges (about 3 kilometers). The IST rifle is built on the basis of a traditional scheme with manual reloading with a longitudinally sliding rotary shutter. Locking the barrel with a bolt is carried out on 6 combat stops. IST barrels are quick-changeable, which allows changing the caliber of a rifle in the field by installing a new barrel complete with a bolt and a magazine for a different caliber. Food is carried out from box cartridges adjoining horizontally to the left on 3 cartridges. The main difference between this rifle and the others is the presence of a powerful recoil mechanism in the design, which includes a hydraulic damper and a pneumatic knurling (similar to artillery systems). When fired, a rigidly locked barrel rolls back inside the weapon body, thereby mitigating powerful recoil. In addition, the developed muzzle brake and the shock-absorbing pillow on the butt plate reduce the return. The rifle is intended only for firing from the stop, for which it has a folding bipod. Sights - an optical 8X multiple sight on a quick-detachable mount that does not require re-shooting of the weapon after removing and installing the sight. In the vicinity of the center of mass, the rifle has a special frame that serves both to carry the rifle over short distances and to protect the sight. For transportation, the rifle is disassembled into the main components and packaged in two bales, which can be carried behind the back with two calculation numbers of the rifle. One bale includes a barrel, shops, a bolt and an optical sight, the other a weapon case with bipods. The weight of each bale is about 12-15 kg.
    1. +6
      18 May 2012 14: 04
      Quote: Ataturk
      I would like to know my colleagues what you will say about the IST-14,5 Istiglal Azerbaijan sniper rifle. I just would like to hear what colleagues and friends in the forum say about this weapon. I’m just from Azerbaijan, they say one thing, I would like to hear your opinion.


      Well, the picture is complicated. Came one. I’ll shoot myself, I will express my opinion. Refund guaranteed.
    2. Yarbay
      +1
      18 May 2012 14: 31
      good rifle, but need some refinement!
      The returns are very strong !!
      1. +1
        18 May 2012 17: 21
        Quote: Yarbay
        The returns are very strong !!

        Rollback and muzzle brake apparently insufficient? Well, the caliber is very solid, the current as with optics? 8x whose production? Although it can still be a safer mortar to combat equipment and materiel? Or is it for point strikes?
    3. +2
      18 May 2012 20: 57
      Colleagues are right - you need to shoot the rifle, but I’m sure your experts already laughed at it and brought the sample to logic. In any case, such a mortar is needed, even if stable optics, a stable ammunition and a hardy operator are not attached to it, there are plenty of benefits - how does it affect the psyche, if you realize that 30 can fly from that hill and gram bulka and smash the field kitchen to horseradish, and all without lunch. And if he flies by turnip? - Picasso is resting! What is the beauty of such a mechanism - sit in the inaccessibility and fuck the enemy wassat
    4. +1
      19 May 2012 00: 30
      I would like to know my colleagues what you will say about the IST-14,5 Istiglal Azerbaijan sniper rifle.

      from the picture poured Barret M82, find 10 differences except for the caliber:


      and its performance characteristics
      Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7x99 mm)
      Mechanism: semi-automatic, with a short stroke
      Overall Length: 1448 mm
      Barrel Length: 737 mm
      Shop: 10 cartridges, box
      Sight: 10X
      Weight: kg 12.9 without cartridges
      Maximum effective range: up to 1800 m (depending on the size of the target)
      Firing accuracy: about 1.5 - 2 arc minutes (1.5 - 2 MOA) when using match class cartridges
      1. 0
        19 May 2012 00: 35
        Quote: PSih2097
        From the picture poured Barret M82, look for 10 differences:

        This is garbage, because in the description the difference is all the differences:
        Food is supplied from box-shaped shops adjoining horizontally to the left.
    5. the gray wolf
      +3
      18 June 2012 21: 50
      IST Istiligil
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ND7jW0hw5g&feature=related
  11. Ataturk
    +5
    18 May 2012 14: 12
    Quote: vorobey
    Well, the picture is complicated. Came one. I’ll shoot myself, I will express my opinion. Refund guaranteed.


    :) Yes, and you can give)))))
    1. +5
      18 May 2012 14: 18
      It's a pity, you still have to throw it away.


      But seriously, it’s only that it weighs 29 kg, and the hydraulic pullback does not inspire confidence. You can’t quickly change this position.
      1. +3
        18 May 2012 20: 25
        Sanya agrees. Therefore, they carry her on the UAZ. And the hydraulic damper is a very moody thing. 1. temperature fluctuations affect the operation of the fluid, which is passed through calibrated holes. 2. Valve and seal wear is extremely high .. 3. It is necessary to constantly monitor the purity of the liquid (so as not to wedge the piston)
  12. +2
    18 May 2012 14: 22
    "Another question is that the army has accumulated a large stock of such weapons, more machine guns are not needed yet. Rather, it is necessary to modernize the existing samples." - So let's sell a large stock of our illustrious AK to the 8 countries of the world, and with this money purposefully upgrade one part, and release 50% on a completely new platform!
    1. +2
      18 May 2012 14: 28
      This is done, at least with armored vehicles.
  13. vylvyn
    0
    18 May 2012 14: 26
    "Now we expect that their products will significantly improve the fighting qualities, which will allow us to start replacing the old Dragunov sniper rifles," Shamanov said.

    Unclear. Replace with what?
    1. 0
      18 May 2012 16: 33
      SVD new. If the SVD is done in the normal, and not with crooked hands, then it will shoot much more accurately.

      Specially selected "Tigers" (civilian version of the SVD), with a good imported cartridge, shows outstanding results for this class of weapons: 1-1,5 MOA.
  14. DUTCH
    +2
    18 May 2012 14: 56
    Everything is right, everything is according to plan. We tested, disassembled, felt, looked. Now we will update the machines and we will do no worse !!
  15. Cadet787
    0
    18 May 2012 15: 13
    It seems that in the defense department and the defense industry there is some kind of chaos and shy from side to side, the right hand does not know what the left is doing. Yes, with such a leader, the MO can not be otherwise.
  16. +2
    18 May 2012 16: 35
    It’s better to less accurately trim from a domestic rifle than to sparkle with a jammed foreign heel
  17. +1
    18 May 2012 17: 17
    A good sniper-people "piece" can give them the right to choose if they answer with their lives. Let them customize their individual weapons for themselves, taking into account their anthropology.
    And for mass purchases leave SVD, if power is not enough then: SVDK
    Caliber: 9,3x64
    Movement: self-loading, gas vent
    Length: 1250 mm
    Barrel: 620 mm
    Weight: 6.5 kg without an optical sight and bipod
    Store: 10 round detachable cartridges

    Large-caliber sniper rifle SVDK was developed and adopted by the Russian army within the framework of the "Cracker" theme (according to the Russian classification, large-caliber rifled weapons are considered large-caliber weapons). The main task of the new rifle is considered to be the defeat of the enemy personnel, protected by personal protective equipment (heavy body armor) or behind light barriers, as well as the defeat of neglected equipment. Some sources indicated that this rifle should occupy the niche of long-range sniper weapons, however, the ballistics of the 9x9.3 cartridge, nor the properties of the rifle itself, do not allow this complex to compete on an equal footing with western sniper complexes chambered for long-range cartridges of the .64 Lapua Magnum type. The 338x600 9.3N63 cartridge is developed on the basis of the 7x33Brennecke hunting cartridge, originally created for hunting big game. In the 9.3N64 version, this cartridge has a 7 gram bullet with a steel core. The initial bullet velocity when firing from the SVDK is about 33 m / s, the muzzle energy is about 16.5 Joules. At a distance of 770 meters, an 4900% probability of breaking through a 100 mm thick plate is declared.
    The arrangement of the SVDK rifle is a development of the Dragunov SVD sniper rifle, however, the receiver, the bolt group and the gas vent assembly have been redesigned for a larger and more powerful cartridge. The barrel in its rear part (behind the gas outlet) is laid in a steel perforated casing, which relieves the barrel from the loads applied to the forearm or bipod. The casing itself is completely hidden inside the plastic forend. The pistol grip and side-folding metal buttstock are inherited from the SVD-S rifle, but the area of ​​the rubber butt plate is noticeably increased for better control over the increased recoil of the weapon. Like the SVD rifle, the SVDK is equipped with open adjustable sights and a special strip on the left side of the receiver, which serves to install quick-detachable brackets for optics. The standard sight for the SVDK is the 1P70 "Hyperon" optical sight of variable magnification 3-10X. The sight has a built-in range adjustment for the aiming mark, but it is distinguished by its large mass and excessive cost (in comparison with Western counterparts). The SVDK rifle is equipped with a carrying strap with a folding lightweight bipod. Unlike the SVD, the installation of a bayonet knife on the SVDK is not provided.
  18. +2
    18 May 2012 18: 16
    Shamanov praised the weapon from the point of view of a fighter, and our MO officials from the side of a hunter sitting on a tower trying to bring down lured game.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      0
      22 May 2012 10: 19
      Have you tried to shoot from SVD using the Hansa method? and achieve at least 1 moa (two series of 1 sheet of five shots each?