Jakarta: USA is “very unhappy” with our purchase of Russian Su-35

The Indonesian government announced attempts by the United States to thwart a deal to buy Russian Su-35 aircraft. Thus, the Director General of the Foreign Trade Department of the Indonesian Ministry of Commerce, Oke Nurwan, said that the United States openly expressed dissatisfaction with the deal, reports the Jakarta Post.

Nurvan said that while concluding a barter deal to acquire Russian Su-35 fighters, the United States was trying to intervene. But despite the threats of Washington, Jakarta is not going to abandon its plans to acquire aircraft.

Recall that the contract for the supply of Indonesia 11 Russian fighter Su-35 was signed earlier this year. The amount of the transaction is estimated at 1,14 billion dollars, with about 570 million of this amount Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.

As the Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohamed Vahid Supriyadi said earlier, the delivery of the first, and possibly two, Su-35 fighters is expected by October. At the same time, Indonesia does not exclude the possibility of purchasing the second batch of Russian Su-35 fighters, provided that the necessary funds are allocated from the country's budget.

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[aszzz888]

The US openly complained about the deal, the Jakarta Post reported.

... world gendarmes)) in business ... Indonesia - well done, not bent, like some ...

[Jolly oldster sailor]

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully: Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.
Who bent whom?

[LSA57]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully

and if more carefully?

that during the conclusion of a barter transaction

what do you care what the seller will get? your planes?
if you are so good at economics and commerce that you don’t trade, and you discuss others at VO?
I hate striped, but the saying they have is ingenious. "If you are so smart, why so poor?"

[Thrall]

Soon we will try real Indonesian coffee and try out natural rubber products.

[For example]

Palm oil.
Korva sucks, milk from a cow for the poor.
When will we start exchanging planes for beads?
Beads news!

[MPN]

US "very unhappy" with our purchase of Russian Su-35

Why? Bad huh?

[Grits]

Why do we need rubber?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gritsa

Why do we need rubber?

Chew.
Sometimes it's better, you know, to chew

[Sars]

And milk from palm oil. If this product from the first barter deal with Indonesia for the supply of MiG-29 was used for steel rental, now, according to the population regulation program, everything goes exclusively to the population’s feed.

[Jolly oldster sailor]

"If you are so smart, why so poor?"
Yes, because not a huckster, but a hard worker. The smart one is not rich.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

"If you are so smart, why so poor?"
Yes, because not a huckster, but a hard worker. The smart one is not rich.

That's for sure, the proverb is extremely miserable, especially in our realities, where everything is decided by connections in power, not mental abilities

[LSA57]

Quote: Stirbjorn

not mental ability

there will be no mind, there will be no connections. fools in friends, no one needs

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: LSA57

there will be no mind, there will be no connections. fools in friends, no one needs

And if the ties are related ?! Especially along the lines of father-son, or daughter
Well, is it really possible that in all our aircraft industry there was no worthy specialist to take the post of general for Il, not to appoint Rogozin Jr., or in all agriculture there is no candidate for the position of the ministry that is relevant and it is necessary to pull Patrushev Jr. out of the bank ?!
Neither day nor day worked in the relevant field

[LSA57]

Quote: Stirbjorn

And if the ties are related ?! Especially along the lines of father-son, or daughter

practice shows don't last long

[MstislavHrabr]

Having graduated from the institute, Prokhorov became the director of the bank and then headed the Norilsk Nickel ... So what else are they holding ...

[LSA57]

Quote: MstislavHrabr

Having graduated from the institute, Prokhorov became the director of the bank and then headed Norilsk Nickel ...

and is Norilsk Nickel breathing incense?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: LSA57

practice shows don't last long

That’s for sure, practice shows that to go up, they go further ... as an example, the career of the two offspring mentioned above

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

If it were so, as you write, then the authorities would be only honest people! But in fact the opposite is true!

[LSA57]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

Yes, because not a huckster, but a hard worker

and traders teach a hard worker a file to work? why does the hard worker teach them how to trade ???? Cesarean Cesarean

[dvina71]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

Who bent whom?

Ours together with Indonesia bent the Fed .. Barter is a sign of the decline of the financial system .. in this case, the world dollar. Even before the heap .. Treasures are buying badly, the rate on them is growing .. and moreover, the main debt holders get rid of American obligations quietly. And here also the barter was drawn ..

[seti]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully: Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.
Who bent whom?

We have already discussed this deal more than once. And why is it bad for us? Our company sells these goods in the Russian Federation. This is bad ? Not to the detriment of oneself. Have we stopped drinking coffee and tea? And palm oil is not so rubbish as some "experts" and "candidates of sciences" here tell. And rubber .. There are no comments at all.
As without comment, the Indonesians will be served with us to buy weapons and train pilots. And much more for many years.
But for some, it’s more important to blurt out.

[Jolly oldster sailor]

Palm oil, Matvey, eat it yourself, for health - and we ate a natural product, we’ll eat it, don’t seek it, dear ones, it’s more familiar to us somehow, you know ...

[seti]

Read the scope of palm oil and the composition as well as its beneficial properties, you will be very sure. Without fanaticism.

[Muvka]

And you also need to compare how much palm oil is bought per person in Europe and how much we have.

[Old bun]

In Austria, the most famous sweets are Mozart. In their composition, you will be surprised to have palm oil. Europe uses palm oil in sufficient volumes. According to the US Department of Agriculture, palm oil imports to Europe in 2013 totaled more than 6 million tons. In 2016 - 9 million tons, of which 2,9 million tons were used in the food industry. This is comparable to the Russian volume of 885 thousand tons of palm oil (if calculated on kg / per capita).

[For example]

Quote: seti

then you will be very sure.

It's simple - let the products with the name "palm oil" stand on the shelves. Who read about the utility (like you) would definitely buy it.
And I want dairy products from a cow. I don’t even like goat milk.

At the moment, the state is deceiving us by allowing us to sell shit in stores under the label Milk.

Quote: seti

Our company sells these goods in the Russian Federation. This is bad ?

The controversial question is whether the company will be able to realize a palm tree without sucking under milk.

[LSA57]

Quote: For example

It's simple - let the products with the name "palm oil" stand on the shelves. Who read about the utility (like you) would definitely buy it.

and he certainly only need to eat?
and if you find another application?
"In addition to food, palm oil is used in the manufacture of cosmetics, creams, hair care products. Of course, like other oils, palm oil can be used in the manufacture of any products in the production process of which vegetable oils are used. Economic feasibility always plays a decisive role. In the production of soap and in the preparation of stearin, products obtained during the deodorization of palm oil are used.These products are not palm oil and have the common name oleochemicals. Oleochemicals are a separate article of trade all over the world. Oleochemical production is now actively developing in all industrial countries"

[Faith]

in vain ruin Matvey, this is a troll

[ork_333]

And with pleasure I will use palm oil. You apparently have a stereotype that palm oil is evil in its purest form. However, I’ll hint that it is divided into industrial and food. And just food is a very useful product.

[telec1325]

Why don’t you even buy cookies?

[rocket757]

Come on. Blurring, not thinking, no need to strain.
Barter WAS, IS, and WILL. The only question is the estimated cost of the goods ... everything is normal!

[yehat]

the devil is in the details. For example, barter was popular in the CMEA, but often the balance of transactions was at prices unfair to the USSR. A famous example - they changed a modern tank to a pea carriage. And here is the question of how real prices will be laid down in the transaction and how then they will dispose of the goods, will there be a layer of intermediaries who stupidly cut the commission.

[rocket757]

yehat (Sergey) Today, 13: 17 ↑ New
the devil is in the details.

But this is just the right question .... but the answer can only be given by someone who is in the subject or at least ran close by.
We give it away for nothing, such a feeling is not present, but as it is in fact, it is not known!

[Tusv]

Quote: yehat

And here is the question of how real prices will be laid down in the transaction and how then they will dispose of the goods, will there be a layer of intermediaries who stupidly cut the commission.

You see. The USSR was a shirtless guy, he handed out to everyone right and left. Now Russia is the last huckster. Barter online at market value. The commission and customs clearance (excluding VAT) are paid by the buyer. In essence, barter is beneficial to the state. VAT is returned. It is also incredibly beneficial to the commission agent. Free customs clearance yes plus the percentage determined in a tripartite transaction. Only the supplier is partially affected. VAT on customs value must be paid immediately and installment income, although losses are partially covered by the same percentage. Well, in this case, real money is 50%. So everything is in chocolate

[NEOZ]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

Who bent whom?

Russia consumes tea, coffee, rubber, palm oil?
Is Indonesia producing these products?
Indonesia consumes SU35?
Is this product manufactured by the Russian Federation?
ps
ALL foreign trade is concluded in US dollars, and this deal is barter ... so who bent whom?

[Gnefredov]

So good that barter. Barter is not controlled by the global financial elite. Barter is a sickle in the causal place of partners. Barter - there are no intermediaries and their commissions. Barter is our everything! :)
PS I’ll enjoy drinking a cup of coffee in the morning rather than chewing a dirty green piece of paper (s).

[igorbrsv]

And it’s harder to steal. This is not a pack of bucks to push

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and Palm oil.

mmmm ... yum ... butter ... ice cream and cheese will be even tastier!

[Sarmat Sanych]

For lovers of shouting “We are all in palm oil,” I remind you: Russia is a country with one of the LOWEST palm oil consumption in the world, for example, in the United States and Germany it is used a couple times more. Google, there are statistics from both WHO and the International Food Organization. All countries consume palm oil, this is a given, and by the way, not all of its volume goes to the food industry, but also to pharmaceuticals, cosmetology and a number of other areas.

[Faith]

The new shit on the site is filling the rating, he writes his libel in all the articles.

[Rostislav]

In fact, this is not very smart or just pretend to be? Under Indonesian law, ALL import contracts are 50% barter paid.
Talking about "bent - not bent" can only be one who knows the set price of goods delivered by barter.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Rostislav

Talking about "bent - not bent" can only those who know the set price of goods delivered by barter

Cho, oil is "tastier" from this?

[aszzz888]

Jolly oldster sailor (Uncle pale ale) Today, 12: 28 ... read carefully

... I don’t remember being in the sub-patches ...

[Sarmat Sanych]

It’s already nonsense to suffer, firstly, 50% of the contract is LIVE MONEY, and secondly, we are buying their goods. Plus, we are planting maintenance costs and further upgrades, and as you know, they will not do this for coffee. We are conquering the fast-growing South Asian market, an excellent move.

[tap]

Rubber is now in price. And then drink coffee. With butter.

[USSR-1]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully: Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.
Who bent whom?

Palm oil product is unique! We will now have chocolate, ice cream, etc. natural delicacies ...

[cradle]

goods are also needed (acre palm oil)

[venik]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully: Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.
Who bent whom?

=======
Maybe, of course, I "misunderstood" something ???
But WHY are "goods" here ???? Anyway international trade - based on commodity circulation!!!! Does the settlement take place in rubles, yuan or in "American presidents" (which they print - Ooh-ooh-ooh !!! - How many WANT !!!) ....
For ANYONE it is "A WAY OF A DOLLAR"
And this is already GOOD !!!
It is THIS - the "degradation" of the "green currency", "sworn friends" and are afraid MOST OF ALL !!!!
And if Indonesia simply DOESN'T have so many "portraits of amerskih presidents" ... What is NOT allowed to trade with them ?????
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PS (Classic :) ".... And there was a great" economy "that is, he knew how to judge that.
- THAN THAN THE STATE IS RICHERER .....
- For what lives ....
- And WHAT has .....
- And why does he not need gold when the "living commodity" has .......
PPS You can criticize !!!

[ser-pov]

[/ quote] Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil. [quote]

But why do we need this nasty palm oil? Which ....

[venik]

Quote: ser-pov

But why do we need this nasty palm oil? Which ....

=========
Well, actually, "this muck" is used NOT ONLY in the food industry (although there - too!) ..... Also in the pharmaceutical industry ... And in other industries ...
But this is so ... "by the word" ........ Well, actually we do not know much (at the everyday level "...).
For example, the fact that in some "canned fish" as a "preservative" is used ..... ARSENIC !!!!! Yes, imagine !!! It is OH !!!!! Truth in "homeopathic doses" .... BUT !!!

[LSA57]

So, the general director of the foreign trade department of the Ministry of Commerce of Indonesia, Oke Nurvan, said that the United States openly expressed dissatisfaction with the deal, the newspaper Jakarta Post reports.

so they forgot about the rules of elementary decency
in foreign policy rudeness

[rocket757]

How, in foreign policy is some kind of rudeness?
Ahhh, this starry striped "big brother" behaves like that! Then everything is normal, we are friendly and stand on a hood.
Who doesn’t keep pace ???

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: LSA57

in foreign policy rudeness

strange word, though, for others-ban.

[bessmertniy]

Are barter times coming back?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: bessmertniy

Are barter times coming back?

Palm oil is good.
And Americans can be understood before Jakarta took the F-16.

[LSA57]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Palm oil is good.

Yes, what difference does it make that the seller will receive ????
your goods ???

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

are growing up?
Palm oil is good.

yes ... nyama ... you can eat, but you can grease a gun .. or door hinges ..

[LSA57]

Quote: bessmertniy

Are barter times coming back?

and they did not stop.

[g1washntwn]

Above already answered. Barter is an arch-essential thing when there is either no money or they are not a measure of commodity value (which is basically the same thing). So it turns out that the dollar is completely out of business. After all, they first thought up measuring goods in hamburgers for fun, but now this clearly sees a hidden political and economic hint.

[Guru]

American influence is melting right before our eyes.

[Alexey-74]

Nothing can pass by yourself .... USA real gag in every hole ....

[spektr9]

of this amount, Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil

I think I know what they will pay at enterprises producing SU

[NEOZ]

Quote: spektr9

I know what they will pay

no ... they will sell in the domestic market ... also with profit ....

[LSA57]

Quote: spektr9

I think I know what they will pay at enterprises producing SU

money.
Well, on what basis do you think of those people who made such a deal with some kind of Papuans ????? where is this from?
Well, by definition, it cannot be a narrow-minded person who was entrusted with selling products

[spektr9]

Well, on what basis do you think of those people who made such a deal with some kind of Papuans ????? where is this from?

Yes, why did you get this, if you could take it with beads, you could think about the Papuans
In general, it’s just tired of palm oil, they shove this muck in all products, it would be better if Indonesia paid for fish

[LSA57]

Quote: spektr9

In general, it’s just that palm oil is tired, they put this stuff in all products, it would be better if

so that you are all hung up on the grub ???????
"In addition to food, palm oil is used in the manufacture of cosmetics, creams, hair care products. Of course, like other oils, palm oil can be used in the manufacture of any products in the production process of which vegetable oils are used. Economic feasibility always plays a decisive role. In the production of soap and in the preparation of stearin, products obtained during the deodorization of palm oil are used.These products are not palm oil and have the common name oleochemicals. Oleochemicals are a separate article of trade all over the world. The production of oleochemicals is now actively developing in all industrial countries. "

[Boomandroid]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: bessmertniy

Are barter times coming back?

Palm oil is good.
And Americans can be understood before Jakarta took the F-16.

All this is good! And you can earn even more money on this, provided that the goods delivered are below market prices! If so, then we are also in the black! And if not, then it is regrettable.

[fighter angel]

"mattresses are very unhappy" ... Just think! Yes, spit on these freaks !!! Saliva !!! How to historical materialism! Get-sign, "exceptional" ...

[Runoway]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully: Russia will receive Indonesian goods, such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.

Classic HERE FUR - FROM HERE Giblets
palm oil is sorely needed for the persecution of the population. The country of frightened idiots, it’s better if planes were left for themselves
Although the third option was possible IN DEBT, followed by cancellation
Everything is fine with us, but I have cut it with amers)))))
True patriots do not forget to be confirmed by the workload of factories and the advertising of Dryers around the world

[LSA57]

Quote: Runoway

palm oil is sorely needed for the persecution of the population. The country of frightened idiots, it’s better if planes were left for themselves

do you even know that this oil is not only eaten?
is it difficult to get into wikia?
"In addition to food, palm oil is used in the manufacture of cosmetics, creams, hair care products. Of course, like other oils, palm oil can be used in the manufacture of any products in the production process of which vegetable oils are used. Economic feasibility always plays a decisive role. . In the production of soap and in the preparation of stearin, products obtained during the deodorization of palm oil are used. These products are not palm oil and have the common name oleochemicals. Oleochemicals are a separate article of trade all over the world. Production of oleochemicals is now actively developing in all industrial countries.

World production of palm oil in 2005 - about 47 million tons. "

[health]

everything is very simple and there is nothing to discuss here. if the US is worn out - everything is done right.

[Simon]

Well! The century of state domination in the world is ending, and Indonesia has shown its character to the Americans and has done what is beneficial to it!

[Dikson]

Indonesia has a lot of our weapons .. Starting from small arms and ending with airplanes .. Indonesians, by the way, speak very well about Russia and our president in particular ..

[Wolverine]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

They did not bend, we bent, read carefully: Russia will receive Indonesian goods such as tea, coffee, rubber and palm oil.
Who bent whom?

Do not worry, there are no fools, there the price is wound so tea, coffee rubber are only dividends ...

[Runoway]

Quote: LSA57

do you even know that this oil is not only eaten?
is it difficult to get into wikia?

That's right, and it was from his deficit that the USSR bent down, “gold bullshit,” it’s time to make a palm-currency fund,

[top_war_shit]

why do we need palm oil - it already flows from the ears

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: top_war_shit

why do we need palm oil - it already flows from the ears

Speak for yourself, please.
Neither I, nor anyone of my relatives, acquaintances or colleagues have it flowing.
Out of nowhere, including from the ears.

[Ros 56]

Let the striped little head swell with the thought that they are no longer the most-most. They will begin to freak out, they will begin to make mistakes, which is in our favor.

[LMN]

Colleagues
Does anyone have a link to this article? I can’t find something on my mobile.
Thank you!

[LMN]

Quote: LMN

Colleagues
Does anyone have a link to this article? I can’t find something on my mobile.
Thank you!

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/08/09/uni
ted-states-unhappy-with-indonesias-sukhoi-import-
trade-official.html
Found.

[Kolxoz im Lenina]

at the same time, about 570 million of this amount, Russia will receive Indonesian goods and palm oil.

I wouldn’t like that ... !!!! Who doesn’t know palm oil is very cheap and they are replaced with natural oil fats in our products, passing them off as natural .. Will people again poison?
Who agreed there. What kind of bastard? Evil is not enough ..

[Vlad5307]

Quote: seti

Read the scope of palm oil and the composition as well as its beneficial properties, you will be very sure. Without fanaticism.

In fact, palm oil is different food and technical. Our craftsmen from trade are trying to buy what is cheaper, i.e. technical, but use it in food production. Technical grades of oil are used in the manufacture of lubricants (auto, aviation, production). In the EU countries, only edible oil is allowed for the production of products, it is also called pink or red. Our law does not stipulate the use of these types of oil, so eat gentlemen and be sick - the state has a lot of money to treat the people!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vlad5307

Our law does not stipulate the use of these types of oil

And in more detail from now on - is it possible? With a reference to the "law", preferably

[vit357]

As I believe, "USA" in this and a particular case should have a specific name and surname, and let specific individuals make excuses for specific actions.

[Charik]

and take a tobacco and then there’s nothing to smoke - tea, coffee, butter, eat.

[yuliatreb]

If everyone had switched to barter, then the human values ​​would have a different meaning and the Fed, as an opportunity to bend, is naive of course, but this has the deepest historical meaning of the emergence of trade relations between countries.

[Mr.Fischer]

So Russia was not happy when the Indians preferred Rafal.

[Archon]

how will our government sell these products?
because a standard person buys familiar products from trusted manufacturers.