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Defense Ministry ordered the modernization of "Alligators"

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The Russian military department decided to improve the performance of Ka-52 "Alligator" reconnaissance and attack helicopters in terms of increasing the effectiveness of the use of anti-tank weapons, reports RIA News.


Defense Ministry ordered the modernization of "Alligators"


According to information published on the procurement website, the goal of the work is to improve the gyro-stabilized optical-electronic system (GOES-451 product) to improve the characteristics of the detection range and target recognition. In addition, the machines must be equipped with an upgraded optical-electronic system.

According to the customer’s requirements, the target detection range of the “tank” type after the upgrade should be at least 10 km, and the recognition distance should be at least 8 km. The same indicators in the thermal imaging channel - at least 8 km and 5 km, respectively.

Work in this area should be completed before the beginning of October this year. The completion of the work will be considered changes in the design documentation for the results of the control flight and flight evaluation.

The equipment of the GOES-451 system is located in the fore part of the machine and incorporates a television camera, a thermal imager, a laser range-finder, a targeting system, an ATGM guidance system.

The publication reminds that the Ka-52 is installing the Whirl-M guided weapons complex, which includes 12 supersonic Whirl-1 missiles (9М127-1). The ammunition is made according to the aerodynamic scheme "Duck" with a folding wing.
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  1. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 9 August 2018 08: 39
    +4
    the good news is, today in the VKS there are about 118 Ka-52 units
    1. Leeds
      Leeds 9 August 2018 09: 16
      0
      Interesting characteristics of the armor penetration of the upgraded Vortex. And the capabilities of the existing KAZ (Trophy) to bring them down.
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 9 August 2018 14: 28
      +8
      An old song about the main thing. Combat Information Systems which are not, and without which the KA-52 is easy prey. Without the availability of such systems and without integration into them, this blind scout is only for local conflicts with the bearded ...
      According to the customer’s requirements, the target detection range of the “tank” type after the upgrade should be at least 10 km, and the recognition distance should be at least 8 km. The same indicators in the thermal imaging channel - at least 8 km and 5 km, respectively.

      This is what ridiculous requirements ... With such indicators, helicopter pilots will not even see who shot them down ... NATO will not attack with tanks ... And their UAVs provide targeting from above to shoot such scouts using real-time secure information channels. ..AND
      the enemy’s missile launch range, even from helicopters, reaches 16 km .. as with our tanks. And even the Armata T-14 will burn with a bright flame. Here it is expensive and is not needed without an LSI ...
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 9 August 2018 14: 52
        +7
        An old song about the main 2 ... Do you know why you need a 5th airplane and its unique properties that everyone argues about? Correctly ! To work as a part of LSI as the main element of collecting information about the enemy in real time. He stealthily using STELZ technologies, collects information about the enemy with passive systems and transmits it in real time ... He has tremendous speed to control large areas ... If necessary, he can destroy the most important targets with the help of hidden missiles, and using supersonic cruising speed and super-maneuverability to get away from the enemy’s air defense systems ... We don’t have an LSI, and we don’t need the SU-57 ... The SU-35 will cope with all the other tasks ... And do not expect a new expensive, but unnecessary, aircraft. ..
        1. MPN
          MPN 9 August 2018 15: 29
          +1
          Quote: VO3A
          If necessary, he can destroy the most important targets himself with the help of hidden missiles, and using supersonic cruising speed and super maneuverability, get away from enemy air defense systems ..
          Puffff. , until tomorrow I will definitely make sense of it, but for now I’ll only correct it offhand ...
          and using supersonic cruising speed
          This parameter is needed to accelerate the buildup of forces and assets in a given area ...
          Quote: VO3A
          over-maneuverability to get away from enemy air defense systems ...

          This parameter is needed, in this aspect, but not only ... I want to say that without informational awareness it is useless ... and that means that the main task of the 5th generation is precisely in
          Quote: VO3A
          To work as a part of LSI as the main element of collecting information about the enemy in real time.

          But not as the main one, there simply cannot be the main ones, it is as one of the elements of the BIS, in fact, “Armata” is there on the same rights ...
          Quote: VO3A
          We don’t have an LSI, and we don’t need the SU-57 ... The SU-35 will cope with all the other tasks ... And don’t wait for a new expensive, but not needed, airplane ...

          But I don’t know, will I comprehend it in a day? recourse
        2. Leeds
          Leeds 9 August 2018 15: 58
          +1
          We will fight with NATO with nuclear weapons. A simple calculation of conventional weapons, budgets and units of modern technology leaves no chance of a confrontation on the ground and in the air. Just common sense should prompt it. Hundreds of bad F-35s against a couple of dozen Su-57s, here the engine of the eighth stage with an LSI having no analogs in the world will not help.
      2. Dimmedroll
        Dimmedroll 9 August 2018 20: 15
        0
        What are they using in real time there? Do not make me laugh.
  2. OrcSWAT
    OrcSWAT 9 August 2018 08: 40
    +9
    Offtop of course. But what beautiful cars Ka-52 and Ka-50, the most beautiful in the world! :) Excuse me.
    1. Kirill Dou
      Kirill Dou 9 August 2018 13: 20
      +2
      I agree, in appearance - the most awesome combat helicopters
  3. New Year day
    New Year day 9 August 2018 08: 45
    +5
    Yesterday was at the former Kamov aircraft factory. A sad sight, only the administrative corps and a couple of shops were preserved. The workshops were built solidly, for centuries. But instead of helicopters, now houses are being built on the site of the plant. Hard workers recall the past with sadness.
    1. Grits
      Grits 9 August 2018 19: 34
      +1
      Yesterday was at the former Kamov aircraft factory.
      Where have you been? I've been there too. The factory in Arseniev lives and thrives
  4. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 9 August 2018 08: 45
    +3
    39th helicopter regiment, military unit 46453 Crimea, airfield Dzhankoy 16 units. Ka-52 (06, 10, 11, 41, 42, 43, 44, 46, 48, 50, 51, 54, 56, 68, 72, 73)
    55th separate Sevastopol Order of Kutuzov 2nd degree helicopter regiment, military unit 35666 (Krasnodar Territory, Korenovsk, Korenovsk airfield): 12 Ka-52
    17th Army Aviation Brigade (Novosibirsk, Tolmachevo Airport) 20 units. Ka-52
    575th Army Aviation Base (2 ranks), military unit 13984 (Primorsky Territory, Chernigovka settlement, Chernihivka airfield): 20 units Ka-52
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 9 August 2018 08: 55
      +5
      Nonetheless-
  5. abc_alex
    abc_alex 9 August 2018 08: 59
    0
    . The Ka-52 is equipped with the Vikhr-M guided weapons complex, which includes 12 Vikhr-1 supersonic missiles (9M127-1). The ammunition is made according to the aerodynamic scheme "Duck" with a folding wing.


    "Storm" is installed on it. And the Needle. The whirlwind is still not mastered in production.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 9 August 2018 09: 15
      0
      and where is the "Attack" complex?
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 9 August 2018 20: 16
        0
        ???? In the same place as the "Storm" :) By helicopter. :) "Attack" is not a complex, but a rocket. Replacing the cocoon.
    2. sivuch
      sivuch 9 August 2018 11: 32
      +1
      Another use of Vortex-1 missiles from Ka-52 helicopters in Syria
      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2655761.html
      Keeping up with the Alligators
      Why did Kalashnikov decide to upgrade the Whirlwind rocket
      http://pfo.svpressa.ru/war21/article/8517/
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2018 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: abc_alex
      "Storm" is installed on it. And the Needle. The whirlwind is still not mastered in production.

      Already mastered.
      Kalashnikov missed deadlines in 2015.
      In July 2015, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov stated that Kalashnikov had disrupted the state defense order (GOZ). The Kalashnikov Concern did not deliver guided missiles in 1972. The reason for the disruption of the state defense order was the poor development of design documentation. The company's debt is more than 5,22 billion rubles, ”Borisov said. In turn, the company explained the delay in the manufacture of Vikhr-1 missiles by the forced re-issuance of technological documentation.

      But already in April 2016, the contract for Vortex-1 was completed.
      And in 2017, these ATGMs were already in Syria.
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 9 August 2018 20: 10
        -1
        . But already in April 2016, the contract for Vortex-1 was completed.
        And in 2017, these ATGMs were already in Syria


        With small-scale parties of the Whirlwind, he flew before. But the bulk of the Ka-52 is precisely the assault. This is also due to the fact that the assault is universal.
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 August 2018 09: 14
    0
    And why do not missiles with radar guidance and search for targets such as land Chrysanthemum are placed on Mi28 and Ka52? And for some reason, the caliber of our ATGM systems was delayed by 152mm.
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 9 August 2018 09: 53
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And for some reason, the caliber of our ATGM systems was delayed by 152mm.

      The caliber of Attack, Sturm and Whirlwind - 130 mm, the Phalanx - 142 mm. Where did 152 mm come from?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 9 August 2018 10: 54
        +1
        Well, Cornet and Chrysanthemum have 152mm ... and penetration of a cumulative jet depends on the caliber of the projectile. Amfarians at Helfaer have reached 180mm
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 9 August 2018 13: 21
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Well, Cornet and Chrysanthemum have 152mm.

          And what does the Cornets and Chrysanthemums have to do with it? It's about helicopters, not ground installations ...
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 9 August 2018 20: 23
          -1
          And for what? The Chrysanthemum missile has armor penetration of about twenty to twenty homogeneous armor. Where to?
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2018 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And for some reason, the caliber of our ATGM systems was delayed by 152mm.

      Tell you - why? wink

      The main problem is BC.
      When developing the Whirlwind missiles, the diameter restriction was decisive, since it was planned to place up to 12 ATGMs in the TPK for the external suspension of the helicopter, and up to 16 ATGMs in the TPK on the attack aircraft.
      © retracted from the website of Baron Tonkolyuk
  7. Pattor
    Pattor 9 August 2018 10: 09
    0
    As far as I know, work is ongoing on chrysanthemum. What specifically do not know there. At least the radio channel seems to be working
  8. Prahlad
    Prahlad 9 August 2018 10: 24
    +1
    When will be 3 generations? This is the main jamb ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 August 2018 10: 28
      -1
      Too expensive pleasure, after 10 years it may appear.
  9. san4es
    san4es 9 August 2018 10: 39
    0
    ... the aim of the work is to improve the gyro-stabilized optoelectronic system (product GOES-451)

    hi ... Modern gyrostabilized optoelectronic systems (GOES) - GOES-321, GOES-332, GOES-344, GOES-451 -, are developed on the basis of dual technologies and are installed on attack helicopters of the Ka-52 type, Mi-8 modifications and Mi-24 for their round-the-clock use, as well as in civilian helicopters for environmental monitoring, police functions, search and rescue, and other tasks. GOES is a universal module, which, depending on customer requests, can be equipped with various equipment requiring spatial stabilization, including a laser range finder ... soldier
  10. soul
    soul 9 August 2018 13: 29
    0
    Quote: abc_alex
    "Storm" is installed on it. And the Needle. The whirlwind is still not mastered in production.

    Is there any news about Hermes? It seems that they also wanted to adapt it? I can be mistaken - I do not understand the topic, I heard it out of the ear ...
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 9 August 2018 20: 23
      0
      I do not know. Alas. :)
  11. ZVS
    ZVS 9 August 2018 14: 05
    0
    Do not have time to take into service, and already for modernization? These "modernists" remind me of Sobyanin, who paving the paving slabs every year in Moscow.
    Weapon requirements are close to the Apache TTX. So what did the supermodern bring to the innovations? And where did it hit with the prospect?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 August 2018 16: 09
      +3
      Quote: SU
      Do not have time to take into service, and already for modernization? These "modernists" remind me of Sobyanin, who paving the paving slabs every year in Moscow.

      Ummm ... the Whirlwind base complex was put into service in 1985. The Whirlwind-M complex with the Whirlwind-1 rocket - in 1990.
      A quarter-century ATGM clearly requires modernization. By the way, problems with the design of CDs and TDs at Kalashnikov arose, inter alia, because the carrier also included Ka-50 in the original documentation.
      Why put in the series an old rocket? Because even in this form she was better than what the Air Force had in this class. In addition, there was a finished CD and TD on it. If Kalashnikov had been engaged in modernization before the start of production, we would still be waiting for a tit in the sky. Now the Air Force has an ATGM, which is the best thing they had, and Kalashnikov has a well-established production of a basic missile.
      "No better; do the same."
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 9 August 2018 20: 32
        0
        . A quarter-century ATGM clearly requires modernization. By the way, problems with the design of CDs and TDs at Kalashnikov arose, inter alia, because the carrier also included Ka-50 in the original documentation.


        No. Problems with the Whirlwind began even before the Kalashnikov took it and their reason is that the developer could not find the manufacturers of the complex, that is, create production cooperation. The carrier has nothing to do with it.
        And "what does it" here is that the military does not need this complex, since it simply duplicates the Assault in terms of ATGMs and loses much in universality.
  12. Petio
    Petio 16 August 2018 19: 57
    0
    Quote: abc_alex
    . A quarter-century ATGM clearly requires modernization. By the way, problems with the design of CDs and TDs at Kalashnikov arose, inter alia, because the carrier also included Ka-50 in the original documentation.


    No. Problems with the Whirlwind began even before the Kalashnikov took it and their reason is that the developer could not find the manufacturers of the complex, that is, create production cooperation. The carrier has nothing to do with it.
    And "what does it" here is that the military does not need this complex, since it simply duplicates the Assault in terms of ATGMs and loses much in universality.

    But surpasses in range and speed. In Syria, a whirlwind was launched from a distance of up to 7 km and an attack up to 5.5 km