The United States decided to challenge the "dominion" of the Russian Federation in the Arctic

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The United States will invest billions of dollars in the construction of an icebreaker fleetcapable of paving the way in the polar seas, in order to finally end Russia's Arctic "dominion", writes InoTV.





The American admirals constantly criticize the Pentagon for the lack of a clear strategy in the Arctic, especially against the background of melting ice, which contributes to the construction of new trade routes. The US Coast Guard has only two icebreakers (medium and heavy), while Russia has their 45.

It is assumed that Washington will be closely engaged in reducing the gap in the number of vessels after the adoption of the 717-billion-dollar military budget for the 2019 year. Now the bill passed by both houses of Congress is being signed by the president. Entry into force of this law will allow for the laying of 6 icebreakers (the cost of each is about $ 910 million), the first of which should be launched by the year 2023, the article says.

At the moment, the United States has only one heavy icebreaker Polar Star, which became part of the Coast Guard more than 40 years ago. There are two smaller icebreakers, but one of them has long been a source of spare parts. The third ship, Healy, was built for scientific research and is practically unsuitable for “conquering” new trade routes.

Russia, according to the Western press, also designs 11 icebreakers, which include 3 nuclear-powered ships. In addition, Moscow is actively increasing its military presence in the Arctic, where it plans to produce oil and natural gas.

As the US Coast Guard commander Karl Schulz said on this, at least three of the icebreakers planned for laying will have to be difficult for America to compete with Russia.
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  1. +8
    5 August 2018 17: 18
    Well, the "race for the Arctic" has begun.
    1. +4
      5 August 2018 17: 36
      Quote: svp67
      Well, the "race for the Arctic" has begun.

      And where to go, Russia doesn’t have much oil in the Caspian, that’s how it happened. Only the sea shelves in the SL Ocean remain.
      For that there is a lot of methane, I look already and you get oil and fuel from gas.
      1. +2
        5 August 2018 17: 49
        But what about polar bears)? Or to hell with them?))
        1. +4
          5 August 2018 17: 55
          Quote: maxim947
          But what about polar bears)? Or to hell with them?))

          The main thing is not to scare polar bears in the Arctic laughing
          1. +2
            5 August 2018 20: 41
            strong and curious - white power!
        2. +3
          5 August 2018 17: 57
          Quote: maxim947
          But what about polar bears)? Or to hell with them?))

          They will turn brown, and so essentially if a non-freezing passage opens, then now, closer to Norway and at an angle under their shelf, oil can be pumped. There are no new large open fields in Russia, so you can attract money.
          Here I look from Gaza coming up with something.
          1. 0
            6 August 2018 07: 36
            Quote: marshes
            There are no new large open fields in Russia yet, for which money can be attracted.
            Here I look from Gaza coming up with something.

            You look, I’m coming up from the air. wassat True all crap, but the process itself !!! laughing Are they getting paid or empty? laughing
        3. +2
          5 August 2018 20: 05
          Quote: maxim947
          But what about polar bears)? Or to hell with them?))


          still give birth
      2. +1
        5 August 2018 20: 36
        eat little
      3. +6
        5 August 2018 21: 21
        I look and do not see))) the borders of Great Kazakhstan in the Antarctic, (probably something with eyesight)))
      4. +1
        5 August 2018 22: 14
        From beyond the dune you see nothing more than the Caspian? Or do you use pre-revolutionary (1917) sources?
      5. +2
        6 August 2018 00: 30
        Completely illiterate? And that Russia produces the most gas and oil in the world, how is it?
        What does the Caspian have to do with it?
      6. +1
        6 August 2018 19: 04
        Quote: marshes
        And where to go, Russia doesn’t have much oil in the Caspian, that’s how it happened. Only sea shelves in the Ocean are left.

        Hello Marshes! I think that even if Russia had enough oil and gas in the Caspian, it would still not have receded from the Arctic. Due to warming, strategic security, shipping, and the same oil, which never happens much smile
    2. +8
      5 August 2018 17: 50
      Sergei hi
      Quote: svp67
      Well, the "race for the Arctic" has begun.

      There is no longer a "race", but attempts to catch up with Russia. Interestingly, in the US they understand that they have already lost? And now they make a good face with a bad game.
      1. +22
        5 August 2018 17: 56
        The President signed a decree prohibiting foreign ships from carrying goods in the waters of the Northern Sea Route. Some European leaders have already noted that this is an overt response to sanctions, although there are no violations of international law.
        1. +13
          5 August 2018 17: 59
          They in the West generally believe that the NSR should be taken from Russia. Naive goats ... fool
          1. +5
            5 August 2018 18: 52
            Late, even the last carriage is not visible ...
          2. +2
            6 August 2018 02: 23
            We are patriotic here, and the Next generation will sell the NSR, along with the icebreaking fleet, and oil-bearing shelves in addition!
            1. +2
              6 August 2018 03: 07
              Come on you. Russia stood and will stand for 1000 years. And always the grandfathers grumbled at their grandchildren that the people had gone the wrong way.
              The “Next” generation of the XNUMXst century is no worse than the “Next” generation of the XNUMXth century.
            2. 0
              6 August 2018 16: 05
              Quote: sagitch
              We are patriotic here, and the Next generation will sell the NSR, along with the icebreaking fleet, and oil-bearing shelves in addition!

              How is it? We have the next generations, unlike some undeterred ideas ... of the Sakharov spill, they already understand what the West is and how to deal with it.
      2. +9
        5 August 2018 17: 59
        Yes, under what humor did they lose? If, actually, you haven’t played at all? We just happened a handicap, but the most interesting is yet to come.
        1. +6
          5 August 2018 18: 08
          Quote: Carpenter 2329
          Yes, under what humor did they lose?

          Yes, under that. They have two icebreakers (both, in fact, floating suitcases), by 2023 the first of the planned (!) Six will be launched. And Russia now has 45 (there are floating suitcases among them for sure) and 11 more in the project. The ratio is very much not in favor of the United States, especially since the heavy-class icebreaker is not a destroyer: you cannot stamp them with lots like hot cakes.
          1. +3
            5 August 2018 18: 56
            I understand that this is not Liberty. But the economic potential, experience and technology cannot be discounted. I suspect that for any readiness dates for an individual icebreaker will be shorter than ours. They know how to work in the States, whatever one may say, and don’t write. Recall at least Glomar. Or the moon, when in '61 it was possible, too, it was possible to bury them sort of like space.
            So IMHO, that everything Arctic is ahead.
            1. +3
              5 August 2018 19: 07
              Quote: Carpenter 2329
              all arctic ahead

              Time will judge who is right.
              1. +2
                5 August 2018 19: 24
                Pasha, I’m a little drunk, but I’ll say that they didn’t understand what kind of zeal the Germans prepared for them in Antarctica!
            2. +4
              5 August 2018 21: 09
              The mattresses have nothing Arctic ahead and will never be, 45 (!) Times inferior in terms of icebreakers, dozens of times in Arctic technology, experience, and most importantly - THEY ARE NOT CREATED FOR THE ARCTIC, strip-eared never and never will have cities beyond the Arctic Circle (not to mention the fact that there are no bases and the Russian Federation does), they never even lived there, it's like a Brazilian to bring to Svalbard))). "Born to crawl cannot fly" (c). And then we already have any sneeze, any Wishlist amers perceive as if "well, of course, they will succeed"lol. THE ARCTIC IS CREATED ONLY FOR RUSSIA AND WE IN ETERNAL HOST. And of course, 30% of world gas reserves and 13% of world oil reserves. Everything is logical, Matrasne is not the first to admit defeat, humble themselves.
          2. +1
            5 August 2018 21: 51
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            The ratio is very much not in favor of the United States, especially since the heavy-class icebreaker is not a destroyer: you cannot stamp them with lots like hot cakes.

            It would be a desire Pasha. Koreans have already 5 Yamalmaks Ark 7 for Sapetta baked for some 2 years and two have already been noted in American ports. Two meters of ice, by the way. And they scratch their FSE bully Yankees and Artik are not compatible laughing Here you need a special beast - Russian polar sailor hi
          3. +1
            5 August 2018 23: 42
            it's not a destroyer: you can’t stamp them with lots like hot cakes

            I agree. 68 single-hull Arly Berks, maximum - 10 cm of ice will be sold against our 5 cruisers, 9 battalions, 4 destroyers and 2 frigates with ice reinforcement - up to 30 cm of ice.
            68 vs 20
            45 of our icebreakers versus their 2 - for some reason, no one takes it seriously.
            * And this is actually - money, money, and again money - three things that are needed for war.
      3. +3
        5 August 2018 18: 05
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        There is no longer a "race", but attempts to catch up with Russia. Interestingly, in the US they understand that they have already lost?

        Pavel, welcome! And when and to whom did the Americans at least once admit that they had lost? They are "exceptional", so a priori they can’t lose ...
        They in the West generally believe that the NSR should be taken from Russia

        They also shouted that Siberia should be common, and not just Russian. Like it’s not fair to use Russia’s bowels only ... wassat
        1. +3
          5 August 2018 18: 10
          Hi, hello! hi
          Quote: helmi8
          And when and to whom did the Americans at least once admit that they had lost?

          Yeah, they confess to you: they are "exceptional". wassat
          Quote: helmi8
          They also shouted that Siberia should be common, and not just Russian. Like it’s not fair to use Russia’s bowels only ...

          And it’s worthless for the West to skip liposuction procedures, otherwise we’ll lock them in the isolation ward! wink
          1. +2
            5 August 2018 21: 58
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Yeah, they confess to you: they are "exceptional"

            And that's right. Exceptional excluded without any electrical tape
        2. LMN
          +7
          5 August 2018 20: 44
          Quote: helmi8
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          There is no longer a "race", but attempts to catch up with Russia. Interestingly, in the US they understand that they have already lost?

          Pavel, welcome! And when and to whom did the Americans at least once admit that they had lost? They are "exceptional", so a priori they can’t lose ...
          They in the West generally believe that the NSR should be taken from Russia

          They also shouted that Siberia should be common, and not just Russian. Like it’s not fair to use Russia’s bowels only ... wassat

          By the way, I’ve heard about Siberia myself. During the integration courses, one girl (from Albania !!) stated that she considers it wrong that such a small number of people use such natural resources! belay
          She was pregnant and I asked her: "Are you ready to give your life, so that your unborn child lives where the thread on the Yamal Peninsula? I'm ready!"
          Judging by how she turned red and said nothing, she did not like this prospect lol
          Freeloaders and consumers.
      4. +3
        5 August 2018 18: 17
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        There is no longer a "race", but attempts to catch up with Russia. Interestingly, in the US they understand that they have already lost? And now they make a good face with a bad game.

        Hey. I would not be so categorical, but the United States is lagging behind but they have allies, the same norgs and their own member, and not one they can always find in the State Duma.
        1. +4
          5 August 2018 18: 22
          Mutually hi
          Quote: Pirogov
          and they can always find their own member and not one in the State Duma

          It is easy. And what: will existing icebreakers be sawn into needles? wink
          As I said above: the icebreaker is not a destroyer, it will not work to pack them in packs. Moreover, the experience of mattresses and their allies (the same norgs) in this matter with a gulkin nose.
      5. +2
        5 August 2018 23: 38
        The United States will invest billions of dollars in the construction of an icebreaking fleet capable of paving the way in the polar seas to finally end Russia's Arctic "dominion", InoTV writes.

        Let them try to catch up ... if possible!
        Russia, according to the Western press, also designs 11 icebreakers, which include 3 nuclear-powered ships. In addition, Moscow is actively increasing its military presence in the Arctic, where it plans to produce oil and natural gas.

        That’s the answer to the American attempts ... maybe they are now getting involved in a certain "arms race", like the Soviet Union used to be?
        "Blessed is he who believes ..." winked
      6. 0
        6 August 2018 00: 32
        Well, yes, the first US icebreaker can be built already in 2023. And if they can’t? If by that time the dollar turned into a simple piece of paper?
    3. +5
      5 August 2018 18: 01
      Americans do not take root in the Arctic, No matter how many icebreakers are in operation. By and large, the USA is not a northern country, just like China.
      Hundreds of years are needed in this "race", and not another campaign in the style of Nikita maize ... by golly.
      1. +2
        5 August 2018 22: 04
        Quote: den3080
        By and large, the USA is not a northern country, just like China
        .
        And the Chinese then the Northern Fleet, in megawatts will be more powerful than the American, more precisely, bully
    4. +3
      5 August 2018 18: 15
      svp67 ... Well, the "race for the Arctic" has begun.

      Who did not have time, he was late. They already planned once - in 2019 their base in Sevastopol. And before there were "polite people." They don’t know about Polar Bears yet. Yes
      1. +3
        5 August 2018 19: 42
        They don’t know about Polar Bears yet

        About the "polite Polar Bears" - excellent good Those who, having dined on the deck of the new American icebreaker, will not burp, but say thank you! laughing
        1. +2
          5 August 2018 23: 32
          Quote: Terenin
          Those who, having dined on the deck of the new American icebreaker, will not burp, but say thank you!

          Educated people do that.
      2. 0
        6 August 2018 00: 38
        What Russian military base are being built there?
        Fifth? And there are seven airfields. Polar.
    5. 0
      5 August 2018 19: 15
      Sergey, have they already won the race for the Antarctic with the Germans?
      1. 0
        5 August 2018 22: 18
        Quote: sabakina
        Sergey, have they already won the race for the Antarctic with the Germans?

        I don’t know how the United States is with Antarctica, But the Yankees lose the battle for the Arctic to the Chinese as a hackneyed record
    6. Ber
      0
      7 August 2018 10: 36
      Well, the "race for the Arctic" has begun.


      So the decision to build combat ekranoplanes for the Arctic was made during, as the Russian proverb says, a spoon road to dinner.
  2. +6
    5 August 2018 17: 20
    How many candy wrappers will print, so many icebreakers (aircraft carriers, planes, etc.) will be built. The beauty. It's a pity we can’t do that.
    1. +4
      5 August 2018 17: 50
      The Russian train has long picked up a good move in the Arctic and with the printing of its candy wrappers mattress will not go far. And time now works only for Russia. The main thing is that they would not reduce the pace of work.
    2. +2
      5 August 2018 18: 08
      as soon as this dollar bubble burst from such costs wink lol
    3. 0
      6 August 2018 00: 43
      Colonel, how old are you until 2023? Five ?
      Are you sure that until this time dollars do not turn into candy wrappers?
  3. +8
    5 August 2018 17: 28
    Something tells me, late to rush, then ... catch up and overtake bully
    1. +3
      5 August 2018 18: 10
      Quote: Masya Masya
      catch up and overtake

      They can’t go for it in any way ... This is the Soviet slogan - Catch up and overtake America. laughing
  4. +1
    5 August 2018 17: 33
    Will the Northwest Passage be organized? Instead of an SMP? Or conquer the Arctic from Russia?
    1. MPN
      +6
      5 August 2018 17: 35
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Will the Northwest Passage be organized? Instead of an SMP? Or conquer the Arctic from Russia?

      Application will always be found ...
  5. +3
    5 August 2018 17: 38
    In addition to money, you also need to know how to build and be able to manage equipment in an ice environment. But you can’t buy it and comes only with years of experience, with years of trial and error.
    1. +2
      5 August 2018 18: 03
      Quote: Igor V
      In addition to money, you also need to know how to build and be able to manage equipment in an ice environment. But you can’t buy it and comes only with years of experience, with years of trial and error.

      C'mon, what secret knowledge of masons from icebreaking is there! There will be a need for mattresses, icebreakers will be built, now they simply do not need them in large quantities.
      It's like recently, now, sometimes, no, no, no, they shout. Mask with the Falcons, and especially with Teslami, is a swindler and a swindler, and the mattresses did not fly to the moon!
      1. +4
        5 August 2018 20: 14
        Ha ha ha ha! Icebreakers easily experience and technology bullshit?!?! You will not be from Kazakhstan, sir ?! Those have already predicted a higher end to our hydrocarbons ... I’m very happy for your frivolous comments! Tell us the secret, what else do the Americans "do not need yet ?!" You are a very informative source !!!)))))
        1. 0
          6 August 2018 09: 45
          Quote: Oper
          Ha ha ha ha! Icebreakers easily experience and technology bullshit?!?!

          hi Haha Krasin and Litke were built by the British. And how did they do it? How is an icebreaker different from a regular ship? The thickness of the hull and its strengthening, and not "icebreaking". The usual sopromat and the law of Archimedes. By the way, during the war, they transported concrete ships from concrete. If there was then the Internet, skeptics would surely be found with claims that it would not work, because the secret of concreting is available only to the builders of DneproGES ( laughing And who was the main consultant there ???).
          Quote: Oper
          You will not be from Kazakhstan, sir ?! Those have already predicted a higher end to our hydrocarbons.

          No, I will be from the USSR. And the ends of our hydrocarbons do not predict. But difficulties with production and sales are possible if Europe is forced to switch to mattress gas.
    2. +2
      5 August 2018 20: 32
      And yet, to your words.
      And in which case, who will organize the rescue operation?
      And where is the fuel (if not atomic)?
      Or they hope that Russian Ivan is kind. And help, and save, and feed warms?
      With them it will become. Hypertrophic arrogance and conceit.
      1. +2
        5 August 2018 20: 56
        They and similar commentators are currently trying to impress upon the Russians our type of insignificance! Well, we’re like a gas station and on an oil needle ...))) That's nervous. Some broadcast that the needle is ending, others yell that atomic icebreakers and the icebreaker fleet in general are bullshit! Miserable. Sorry for them! What to take from them wretched ?! They are afraid of the Russian Arctic, and even more of the Russians themselves! So they whistle because they can no longer do anything!
    3. +1
      6 August 2018 00: 47
      And they will use the technology of flight to the moon of their Apollo to build icebreakers. Or did they lose all the documentation? All seven hundred boxes?
  6. +3
    5 August 2018 17: 40
    Quote: Masya Masya
    Something tells me, late to rush, then ... catch up and overtake bully

    Yes, not too late. The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities. So it’s too early to put them in a hole, much less to score a stake in it. The Arctic will have to share this way. Not everything is ours.
    1. +2
      5 August 2018 17: 56
      So it’s like that, but only in our part of the Arctic does warming occur, and it’s not the other way around
      1. 0
        5 August 2018 18: 00
        Quote: Sergey39
        ... but only in our part of the Arctic does warming occur

        Then why did everyone need icebreakers?
    2. +2
      5 August 2018 18: 15
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      Yes, not too late. The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities.

      Yes, do not exalt them so much. I don’t want to upset you, but look at the results of their latest projects - not all is well and good ...
    3. +1
      5 August 2018 21: 37
      Carpenter, Katz offers to give up?)
      1. +3
        5 August 2018 22: 34
        Quote: Oper
        Carpenter, Katz offers to give up?)

        Not really understood. But I didn’t offer to give up. The Americans will have to fight, and, as always, on all fronts. It’s just that I don’t have time to count the hats with which they were already having fun (as the Germans before the war) threw them with a slide — the headgear’s flight speed is so high.
        But as I was discovered above, a rather rare sober thought here - "time will tell."
    4. 0
      5 August 2018 22: 38
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      Not everything is ours.

      In-in, we talk about that. laughing
    5. +1
      5 August 2018 22: 44
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities.

      Especially when building ships of the Liberty type, which on the very first voyage, going to the bottom, already paid off. laughing
  7. +1
    5 August 2018 17: 41
    The Arctic becomes: "a tidbit," and if so, the "Arctic race" begins. At the moment, the Russian Federation has an advantage in the Arctic, and someone does not like it
  8. +4
    5 August 2018 17: 49
    The United States decided to challenge the "dominion" of the Russian Federation in the Arctic
    Well, let them try .... request
  9. +2
    5 August 2018 17: 50
    As I understand it, 910 is not the final price, as always during the journey the dog (price) will grow at least three times.
    The news here did not appear long ago. The cost of utilization of the first American nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Enterprise may exceed $ 1 billion. On Friday, August 3, reports TASS with reference to the report of the US General Audit Office. laughing
  10. 0
    5 August 2018 17: 56
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    Quote: Masya Masya
    Something tells me, late to rush, then ... catch up and overtake bully

    Yes, not too late. The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities. So it’s too early to put them in a hole, much less to score a stake in it. The Arctic will have to share this way. Not everything is ours.

    )))))))))) Especially with the example of 2 Zamvoltov and an aircraft carrier)))
    1. 0
      5 August 2018 20: 55
      Quote: Shadows
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Something tells me, late to rush, then ... catch up and overtake bully

      Yes, not too late. The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities. So it’s too early to put them in a hole, much less to score a stake in it. The Arctic will have to share this way. Not everything is ours.

      )))))))))) Especially with the example of 2 Zamvoltov and an aircraft carrier)))

      Special? I agree, m. these are special examples. And it’s even more interesting to calculate the number of units of the US Navy. Especially - warships. You can compare the indicators, but there’s nothing special about that.
  11. +2
    5 August 2018 17: 58
    They will have a powerful icebreaker fleet, then wait for the Burks in our Arctic as well, or you will look and the AUG will loom ... And the Chinese icebreakers are riveting ... It will be like Middle Earth or sowing. Atlantic in the cold war. And this is a process that is difficult to discourage from the word.
    1. +3
      5 August 2018 18: 05
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      They will have a powerful icebreaker fleet ...

      ... when the whistle on the mountain cancer gets up Yes
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      that process, which is difficult to prevent us from the word in any way

      Well, except for the fact that we already are there - yes, nothing. There are bases, some none ... the same Northern clover on about. Boiler room Yes
      So to overcome all this without a big scandal will, IMHO, be complicated. But the big scandal with the nuclear RF to run into - a fool, IMHO, will not.
      Something like this Yes
      1. +3
        5 August 2018 19: 32
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Well, except for the fact that we already are there - yes, nothing. There are bases, some none ... the same Northern clover on about. Boiler room

        I'm not saying that they will squeeze something out there and do it without difficulty. I’m just saying that they will become competitors in this region and a constantly present threat, and this is a completely new configuration in the North of the planet, which had not been observed before due to the constant heavy ice and light resources in other regions.
        1. +3
          5 August 2018 19: 34
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          this is a completely new configuration in the North of the planet, which before, due to the constant heavy ice and light resources in other regions, was not observed

          Hammered wording. good I agree.
          As Kagda said a long time ago, our teacher on Party History - "the situation is that it changes all the time".
          The group was laughing, like horses, I still remember laughing
    2. 0
      6 August 2018 01: 00
      Are you in the market, or what? Russian territory, amersky territory, who claims to be the other? Albright even spoke about Siberia, about "socialization."
      Or maybe this issue of property was raised much earlier, even by Genghis Khan!
      But - "wanting is not harmful."
  12. +3
    5 August 2018 18: 01
    Well, the photograph ..... I peered for three hours ... did they swim in the asphalt?
    1. 0
      5 August 2018 18: 55
      Shit as usual around ....
  13. 0
    5 August 2018 18: 12
    They need to get ahead of us — to build a hundred lightweight icebreakers on a caterpillar track, and call them “ice runners!” Or put their old aircraft carriers on tracks — so that these monsters in the Arctic would crush all the ice or transmit it.
  14. +2
    5 August 2018 18: 57
    hi ... US Military News from July 22. 2017, report:
    ... Russia is building a laser-nuclear Combat Icebreakers belay
    Details appear on Russia's trump card for Arctic control: laser, atomic “combat icebreakers.”
    In addition to the weapons complex, powerful lasers that can cut through ice and possibly their enemies will be mounted on 8500-ton ships of the Ivan Papanin class laughing
  15. +1
    5 August 2018 19: 05
    Do the light elves have competencies, huh? technologists and others
  16. +3
    5 August 2018 19: 07
    Quote: helmi8
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    Yes, not too late. The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities.

    Yes, do not exalt them so much. I don’t want to upset you, but look at the results of their latest projects - not all is well and good ...

    I am not so staffed and not Venediktov is my last name to bow to their power.
    Another thing is that they really have this power. And our yarmolok and skullcaps, and even slippers are not yet enough to shower Washington with them. I just want to say here that they have enough mind and foolishness to make us a warm company in the cold Arctic. They are quite at the moment can afford it.
    1. +1
      5 August 2018 20: 12
      we’ll see but they’ll cut their dough not measured, but the result will be very doubtful.
    2. LMN
      +2
      5 August 2018 22: 00
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      Quote: helmi8
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      Yes, not too late. The United States has vast experience in mass shipbuilding, personnel, technology and facilities.

      Yes, do not exalt them so much. I don’t want to upset you, but look at the results of their latest projects - not all is well and good ...

      I am not so staffed and not Venediktov is my last name to bow to their power.
      Another thing is that they really have this power. And our yarmolok and skullcaps, and even slippers are not yet enough to shower Washington with them. I just want to say here that they have enough mind and foolishness to make us a warm company in the cold Arctic. They are quite at the moment can afford it.

      Can afford?
      Very doubtful statement. No.
      It seems that many are impressed by the last decades when the United States did what it wants. Iraq? Yes, no problem! Libya, Syria? Yes, no problem! Base at the World Cup ?? Yes, I need it! For those yards for the revolution in Ukraine! Oops .. feel Yes bullshit !! Switch to BV !!
      Many look at it and sigh with enthusiasm: Oh! belay Here they can !! Not that we recourse

      But for some reason, those who "admire" the actions of the United States do not think that this whole show costs money! A lot of money! And their debts are simply immeasurable!
      Given the rapid fall of the United States in the international arena, when many of the seemingly "iron" partners are looking for ways to get rid of the United States, its huge debt, as well as the need to do something in connection with the new Russian weapons (and curb hypersonic and compact nuclear installations, this is not a "ship to build") .... then the idea is also to "fight" with Russia for the Arctic at the current balance of power, this is still that adventure.
      “Go Fedya, go.” (C) Gentlemen of Fortune.
      1. 0
        6 August 2018 05: 39
        Success in Afghanistan is especially touching. 17 years old (although according to their statement they won already in the year 14)., And the result is only one explosive increase in the production of gerych (and the light elves will not come out of their concrete booths)
  17. +2
    5 August 2018 19: 36
    How much time do they need to increase the icebreaker fleet to our level? 5-7 years? Yes, they will easily do it if they really need it. We need to talk less. They imposed sanctions on the supply of oil and gas equipment, then ours came to their senses and held a meeting. laughing We always find ourselves in the ass, we don’t have ours.
    1. 0
      5 August 2018 20: 08
      And the veil was once
  18. +1
    5 August 2018 20: 08
    They are quite at the moment can afford it.

    They can allow it, but there is no experience. If in the USSR-Russia we can say the conveyor, then in the USA and allies there are single copies. So they will trail in the tail of the engine. 20 years behind, I'm sure!
    1. 0
      5 August 2018 21: 06
      Tanks, of course, are not icebreakers. But in 1940, the United States had 400 tanks. How much they riveted them during the war - I just can’t get into sources. With aviation a similar story, only the letters are different. I’m saying that they should not be underestimated, since this is our sworn partner. Where they just did not show that they learn very quickly and basically achieve what they want. So do we have to wave our hats here? In the Arctic, you already need to prepare for them. In real life. But icebreakers for them - is it really a problem?
      1. LMN
        +1
        5 August 2018 22: 56
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        Tanks, of course, are not icebreakers. But in 1940, the United States had 400 tanks. How much they riveted them during the war - I just can’t get into sources. With aviation a similar story, only the letters are different. I’m saying that they should not be underestimated, since this is our sworn partner. Where they just did not show that they learn very quickly and basically achieve what they want. So do we have to wave our hats here? In the Arctic, you already need to prepare for them. In real life. But icebreakers for them - is it really a problem?

        For a normal, economically healthy country, a pair of icebreakers is not a problem. A dozen, provided that the resources are sent there, too. But this is if the economy is “healthy.” What can’t be said about the United States. I tried this question a little higher for you reveal (IMHO of course).
        hi
  19. 0
    5 August 2018 20: 15
    Given the claims of the United States and China on the NSR, we need our own policy program for these (and other) territories hundreds of years in advance. These competitors have a pronounced expansionist strategy, but we have a dislocation - only a defending one, "partner-friendly" - a losing one. In general, for the future you need a different management and with a different tone. And, remembering the 50s, 60s, our common and undeserved relaxation is dangerously delayed.
  20. +2
    5 August 2018 20: 49
    Well, they will build icebreakers ... so what?
    1. LMN
      +1
      5 August 2018 23: 22
      Quote: Vard
      Well, they will build icebreakers ... so what?

      ..and their debt will grow by a couple of trillion laughing
  21. +1
    5 August 2018 21: 06
    Americans will stamp icebreakers and equip black crews :).
  22. 0
    5 August 2018 21: 07
    It's a bit late, but the deadlines are real and there is loot. It’s time for us, instead of la la, to actually build atomic Leaders. Assign each billionaire to build a ship, but not build on time, ...........!
  23. +2
    5 August 2018 21: 22
    The race for the Arctic began at the beginning of the twentieth century "Read" Stalin: the Arctic Shield "by Yuri Zhukov. It seems that very interesting events in the Arctic are ahead of us and we will often" hug "with the yellow dragon, and by mutual agreement, but this also needs to be done very carefully. The Army and Navy need to be strengthened realistically and quickly. The "partners" stirred.
  24. +1
    5 August 2018 21: 26
    Allegiance to the oath


    It is not for nothing that the Russian Cossacks were called in the Empire the support of the throne and order. They took an active part in the suppression of all sorts of riots and troubles in Russia until the fall of the monarchy, and after that tens of thousands fought and died for the White movement. At the same time, one cannot help but recall that the two uprisings of the Cossacks themselves shocked Russia more than all the "peasant wars" combined. This, of course, is about the events associated with the names of Stepan Razin and Emelyan Pugachev. Cossacks knew how to rebel, and how! But…


    After the Don Cossacks took the oath of allegiance to the Emperor with a cross kiss, there was no question of any conspiracies and riots in him! Word - E.P. Savelyev, the author of the book “The Ancient History of the Cossacks”: “The Don army ... as a direct people, direct and honest and, moreover, sincerely religious, tried to fulfill their obligations to the best of their ability. Any slightest violation of this oath, even in individual cases, was considered a great crime, a shame for the entire army ... "

    The Ukrainian Cossacks in this respect were the exact opposite of their Russian counterparts. The antipodes, you can say! With whom only didn’t they conclude agreements on “eternal friendship”, who only didn’t swear allegiance to, and what rulers didn’t swear to ... Then to break all their own vows at the first opportunity that turned up. The “patriotic” historians of Ukraine can repeat as much as they like that the hetman Mazepa was anathematized by the Orthodox Church for “wanting to make the Ukrainian free” (which in itself is nonsense, because Mazepa simply sold it to the king of Sweden!). But the truth is that the hetman was not betrayed for treason by the church curse not to the tsar, but to the oath just given to him, which in those centuries was considered absolutely indestructible - kissing the cross. This oath, in fact, was not given to the Emperor, but to God - hence the punishment.


    However, a similar "free attitude" to the undertaken obligations (eternal and indestructible, but what!) The Ukrainian Cossacks showed not only with the Sovereigns of Russia, but also the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, as well as other European monarchs. There is nothing to talk about all the khans and sultans there. These guys were real "masters of their word": they gave it themselves - they took it back and forth ...

    Cooperation with foreign conquerors

    From the previous paragraph, the following smoothly follows - aiding various foreign hordes and, in modern terms, “military cooperation” with those. Mazepa already mentioned above, with its sale to the Swedish king Karl, is a well-known example. Much less historians liked to remember (especially in Soviet times, so as not to destroy the “friendship of peoples”) about the terrible and bloody role that the Ukrainian Cossacks played in the Time of Troubles, together with the Poles, robbing, killing, raping and burning everything that is possible to Russia. Their horde, led by Sagaidachny and Doroshenko, outraged from Putivl (now the territory of Ukraine) to Moscow, leaving behind a terrible and shameful memory.

    Even less is said that the descendants of the Cossacks, considered to be the "standard" of the Ukrainian Cossacks, for many years, or rather centuries, worked diligently and diligently to serve the Ottoman Empire. And by no means engaging in tillage. Cossacks of the so-called Second and Third Sections, based on Turkish territory by renegades, participated in the Russian-Turkish wars on the side of the Ottoman port, and under its own banner they suppressed the uprising in Greece in 1821, by spilling the river of Orthodox blood.

    There is only one shameful spot on the conscience of the Russian Cossacks - cooperation with the Nazis during the years of World War II. There is nothing you can do about it - no matter how some historians try to bring under this vileness a “base” in the form of revenge for “talking up” and other cruelties committed by the Bolsheviks on the same Don and Kuban, there can never be any justification for cooperation with the Nazis. However, I emphasize once again - the Russian Cossacks (and even that - far from most of them) were under the enemy banners once. For the Ukrainians, this was a perfectly normal practice.

    Mercenary

    It is not surprising that with this attitude to morality, the most common thing for the Ukrainian Cossacks was mercenary. The Russian Cossacks fought for Faith, Tsar and the Fatherland. It could even fight among themselves ... But, exclusively for money - never! The Russian Cossacks were not mercenaries. Ukrainian “knights” were noted throughout Europe and beyond. And even in this field, they managed to earn, to put it mildly, not the best fame.

    The wars in Saxony, Luxembourg, France, Austria, the Balkans and Moldova are far from a complete list of places where Ukrainian Cossacks acted as “soldiers of fortune”. At the same time, their motto was “Cossacks do not fight on credit!” As soon as one of the employers delayed payments, or paid too little, according to the Cossacks, the amount, as they calmly abandoned the war and went home. But this is at best! They could easily go over to the side of the enemy.

    This is exactly what half of the Cossacks hired in Ukraine by Cardinal France Mazarin for the war against the Huguenots and their allies - the Spaniards - who settled in La Rochelle, did the same. After the capture of Dunkirk, offended by the employer (who seemed to have “thrown” them with money), half of the “knights” returned to their homes, and the second ... went over to the Spaniards. Those, apparently, paid well, and according to some historians, the Ukrainian Cossacks fought on their side against the French for another ten years.

    With all this, the military qualities of mercenary Cossacks extolled by some were more than dubious. Being, in essence, nothing more than irregular light cavalry, they had discipline and training, as they say today, “below the plinth,” but they were extraordinarily prone to looting and robbery.

    Native blood

    No matter how the Russian Cossacks, who were not at all distinguished by their meekness of temper and gentleness of character, fought with their whips, there were no cases of their mass shedding of blood before the Civil War, in general. Well, perhaps, with the exception of all the same riots of Razin and Pugachev. However, this, too, it could be said, was a civil war in miniature ... The Russian Cossacks are reproached with special cruelty except in relation to "foreigners" and "non-believers."
  25. +2
    5 August 2018 21: 45
    I will donate to the church that you Russians are building in our city of Leninogorsk! My icons of the Mother of God and the Icon of St. George the Victorious! I am a hereditary Cossack! We are all exiled to this city of Kazakhstan!
  26. +3
    5 August 2018 21: 47
    My icons are 200 years old! I am a hereditary Cossack my grandfathers are warriors!
  27. 0
    5 August 2018 21: 58
    From "decided" to "domination" for a very long time ... They "decided", damn it ...
  28. 0
    5 August 2018 22: 02
    I like the price of an American icebreaker - almost a billion dollars. Where is such a breakthrough of money "shove"? I wonder how much are Russian icebreakers?
  29. +2
    5 August 2018 22: 08
    My icon will stand in the pantheon! I always hid the Cossack icon! She is considered lost! She is under all seals and with all the regalia! This icon is from the world of Cossacks! I think it will be cool. This icon costs a fortune! It will be!
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  31. +1
    5 August 2018 22: 11
    Quote: Maki Avellievich
    Maki Avellyevich (Dmitry) Today, 20:05 ↑
    Quote: maxim947
    But what about polar bears)? Or to hell with them?))


    still give birth
    Sorry for the bears ?? Come to me in Chukotka, I’ll show you a couple of places where you can communicate with them in the sweetness (both with white and brown). You can even take a dozen others with you to Israel (unless of course they eat you before). By the way, polar bears in humans most of all appreciate subcutaneous fat that is eaten away with the skin. And brown bears, lifting you up, will not eat right away (unless of course spring after hibernation), they dig for a couple of three weeks, so that the meat is properly fed and softer.
  32. 0
    5 August 2018 22: 47
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    I understand that this is not Liberty. But the economic potential, experience and technology cannot be discounted. I suspect that for any readiness dates for an individual icebreaker will be shorter than ours. They know how to work in the States, whatever one may say, and don’t write.

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    The commercial part of the project is doubtful, most likely the business will end with these 6 icebreakers. Well, not the arctic country of the USA. The nearest water areas in Canada, and then, with incomprehensible content.
  33. 0
    5 August 2018 23: 26
    No words and emotions:
  34. 0
    5 August 2018 23: 41
    Give the blacks - Marines to the Arctic. Oh, I feel they’ll fight there ... It’s necessary to strengthen the Emergencies Ministry’s grouping there in advance :) IMHO, the project will be profitable :)
  35. 0
    6 August 2018 00: 12
    And where will the Americans build these icebreakers?
    Most likely they will buy in other countries.
    1. 0
      6 August 2018 05: 44
      the question is different where Russia will build its destroyer leader and storm aircraft carrier)) so far only we can build grachenka boats
  36. 0
    6 August 2018 05: 42
    and do it. The United States has enough funds and forces to build an icebreaking fleet.
  37. 0
    6 August 2018 06: 04
    How can they not understand that their time is passing.
  38. +2
    6 August 2018 09: 44
    The word "dominion" indicates awareness of the problem. The question is how to fix it. Knowing the amers, it can be assumed that until the money smells, they will continue to engage in verbiage. And here it is painfully "long" money ... the investor may not live to the exhaust from the project.
  39. 0
    6 August 2018 10: 28
    Quote: dorz
    The main thing is not to scare polar bears in the Arctic

    Damn they themselves scare not sickly. Scary beast. Sneaks up imperceptibly, attacks without a doubt and delay.
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