Now for naval targets. OTRK Iskander-M received a new missile

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The operational-tactical complex Iskander-M, which is in service with the Russian army, “learned” to strike not only ground, but also fixed naval targets, Interfax reports, citing an informed source.

Now for naval targets. OTRK Iskander-M received a new missile




As explained by the agency interlocutor, the combat capabilities of the Iskander-M OTRK were expanded. In addition to defeating ground targets with particular accuracy, for which this complex was created, now the Iskander-M is capable of destroying fixed ships, for example, ships stationed on the roadstead, etc. This is a new capability of the complex, initially the task of striking targets at sea was not set before the OTRK.

As explained by military expert Viktor Murakhovsky, the complex was able to destroy targets at sea thanks to a rocket with a new homing warhead similar to the Dagger missile.

The rocket appeared relatively recently. It has a new warhead with an active radar homing head, about the same as on the Dagger. And as you know, the Dagger rocket was created during the finalization of the Iskander ballistic missile.


The troops have already begun to gain experience in applying the new capabilities of the complex. Recall that at the recently held exercises of the Southern Military District in Abkhazia, the Iskander-M OTRK strikes at the mountains and sea targets were worked out simultaneously. During the exercise, electronic missile launches were made.
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  1. +3
    3 August 2018 08: 10
    What's the difference?
    1. +20
      3 August 2018 09: 01
      Quote: Gray Brother
      What's the difference?


      Do not pay attention ... article from the "illiterate" ...... well, I see ... the consequences of the exam wassat
      "the author" writes about "....... a new homing warhead", and Murakhovsky broadcasts about "a new warhead with an active homing radar head."
      But if there is an AGSN, then why only for motionless purposes? belay or at the final stage (dive) the rudder of a rocket ... is "discarded" wassat
      1. +12
        3 August 2018 09: 22
        Everything is correct. The "sea target" must first be immobilized, and then shake it with the "Iskander". A control shot is called. Horror without options !!! belay
      2. +14
        3 August 2018 09: 39
        Quote: Random
        But if there is an AGSN, then why only for motionless purposes?

        I don’t taste it either - it’s an immovable target and immovable in Africa, both on water and on earth.
      3. +5
        3 August 2018 10: 06
        I also don’t understand - what is the problem of putting mathematics into the digital computer to shoot at moving naval targets?
        1. MPN
          +6
          3 August 2018 10: 18
          Quote: Sneaky Urus
          I also don’t understand - what is the problem of putting mathematics into the digital computer to shoot at moving naval targets?

          Ballistic missile on moving targets ... what China seems to have ... but in words, but no longer heard ... It should be a completely new ammunition, with a completely new guidance system ...
          1. +2
            3 August 2018 12: 53
            Ballistic anti-ship missiles were developed in the USSR back in the 60s. The complexes were called D-5, and the R-27K missile. Here the problem is that the target during the flight of the rocket does not have time to leave the area in which the seeker will seek it.
          2. +2
            3 August 2018 17: 39
            Actually, you’re right. And theoretically, to program the mathematics of the flight, just spit. To do this, you need intelligence data - the speed and direction of movement of the ship or vessel.
            1. MPN
              +1
              3 August 2018 17: 41
              I’m talking about this. Here, in fact, guidance should be carried out according to target designation, from some kind of satellite, or an aircraft of the type Tu-95 RC ..., or A-50 (100)
            2. ZVO
              0
              4 August 2018 10: 02
              Quote: Sneaky Urus
              Actually, you’re right. And theoretically, to program the mathematics of the flight, just spit. To do this, you need intelligence data - the speed and direction of movement of the ship or vessel.


              It’s strange that preparing a flight mission for tactical missiles with previously known target coordinates takes many hours ...
              And you have time to spit ...
        2. +1
          3 August 2018 14: 10
          The angle at which correction is possible is small for the BR ... you need to display it as accurately as possible, plus catch the target against the sea, highlight a priority target in the order, deal with interference .. and visit + or - 3 meters.
    2. +1
      3 August 2018 09: 38
      Interesting news ! It is reported that the “Bastion” has learned to hit land targets besides sea ones, and now about the Iskander, which, besides land ones, will hit sea targets too!
      "Joy" "partners" is added!
      1. +6
        3 August 2018 09: 48
        They drove an even bigger splinter into NATO's insatiable throat. Crimea and Kaliningrad like a bone in the throat.
        1. +1
          3 August 2018 11: 44
          The Yankees are actively developing sea-based offensive forces; this is a very difficult and dangerous target. It can hit from afar, it is more difficult to detect, with insufficient means of early warning and reconnaissance! It’s harder to hit.
          They do not need to come close to the borders of the target of the attack.
          This is a problem, it is necessary to solve in a comprehensive way .... while all our promises to beat, to prevent, defeat the adversary hiding in the distance are very unintelligible. Need to work!
    3. 0
      3 August 2018 13: 26
      But I thought it was a sinful thing, such an opportunity before. And much further than 480 km)).
      PS That would nibble Iskander, there would be fire!
      1. +1
        3 August 2018 13: 50
        It’s possible to overshadow sho, but reconnaissance, control of distant water areas and all that jazz.
        In addition to the Black Sea "puddle" there are open spaces and even what! And everywhere the enemy \ adversary may lurk.
        Just hit / destroy this second thing, first you need to DISCOVER!
    4. 0
      3 August 2018 13: 42
      No difference. Before launch, the coordinates of the target are laid in the rocket. And they do not change during the flight, since there is no connection with the rocket. On the last few hundred meters, self-correction is performed using the GOS missile, which allows to reduce CTO from several hundred to 30 m
      1. +3
        3 August 2018 13: 47
        Quote: voyaka uh
        allowing to reduce CTO from several hundred to 30 m

        Yes, there seemed to be a probable deviation and there weren’t any special problems; there wasn’t even a word about hundreds of meters - 5-7 meters is nothing at all.
      2. +4
        3 August 2018 18: 50
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Before launch, the coordinates of the target are laid in the rocket. And they do not change during the flight, since there is no connection with the rocket. On the last few hundred meters, self-correction is performed using the GOS missile, which allows to reduce the CTO from several hundred to 30 m

        1. it in the ICBM / SLBM on the shore lay shir-holes. And shooting at a moving naval target - in the area of ​​the probable location of the target. This requires a minimum of K, V goals. And then the OVMC should fit in the "window" of the GOS scan. Therefore, such a concept as the time of data obsolescence was introduced ....
        2. In the after hundreds of meters, a warhead fuse is blown up to the target by the number of pulses ... There can be no correction at such a distance - the dive speed of the "log" is 2700-3100m / s.
        3. correction at such speeds only by the belt powder micromotors around the BR case. However, the strength characteristics of the product must be completely different to withstand 20g ////
        4. Ship to the bunker. Therefore, the KVO in 30 m is the essence of a slip ... cannot arrange for sailors if the product is with a conventional warhead. And if with "vigorous" then the kilometer is not a hindrance!
        Somehow, however! Yes
  2. +3
    3 August 2018 08: 21
    On moving targets to blow nothing? In the sense of aiming ...
    1. +6
      3 August 2018 08: 27
      Nothing is really known about the new missile in terms of performance characteristics, if it has maintained a range of 500 km, then this is more than that of the “Ball” and “Bastion”. But for motionless purposes? To rush along the raid and quickly "make legs"? what
      1. +2
        3 August 2018 08: 33
        Iskander M - certainly not 500 km ... there is a jet engine, not a solid fuel ...
        1. +7
          3 August 2018 08: 36
          Quote: seos
          Iskander M - certainly not 500 km

          Oh oh
          1. +4
            3 August 2018 08: 39
            Paul hi Welcome hi This is the data of the expert version, in reality, the missile range is higher! But everyone pretends that "they do not know" !!! lol
            1. +5
              3 August 2018 08: 41
              Hi Vitalyevich! hi Even with the “official” 500 km, the Iskander is able to plummet further DBK. Yes
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          3. +6
            3 August 2018 09: 29
            Well, oh wrong ... 8) BUT this news is many times better than I expected ... I have long been waiting for Iskander to be equipped with a missile capable of attacking sea targets ... It was a logical move, the only thing that had to wait a very long time for implementation. ..
            The advantages of this solution are obvious:
            Solid propellant rockets, unlike rockets with a jet engine, when attacking a sea target, can fly 1 meter above sea level. not afraid that water splashes will get into the air intake ... With this method of attack, a ship can detect a rocket from about 18 km, the rocket flies at a speed of 8M, it is simply impossible to repulse such an attack.
            1. +4
              3 August 2018 09: 44
              Quote: seos
              Well oh wrong

              The one who does nothing is not mistaken. wink
              Quote: seos
              The advantages of this solution are obvious.

              This can only be stated after a real, and not electronic or educational application.
              1. MPN
                +6
                3 August 2018 10: 28
                pasha hi
                Quote: seos
                when attacking a sea target, they can fly 1 meter above sea level. without fear of water splashing into the air intake ..

                The man has beguiled soft with warm. With us (and not only with us) ballistic missiles do not fly a meter above the surface ... And the system of pointing ballistic missiles at a moving target is a serious job ... The Chinese seemed to be shouting that they would sink AUGs with such power supplies, but I really have reliable there is no data that someone even successfully tested it ... Here, in fact, guidance should be carried out from a designator of some sort, either a satellite, or an aircraft of the Tu-95 RC type ..., or A-50 (100)
                1. +3
                  3 August 2018 10: 33
                  Hi hi I am not good at rocket issues, therefore I read all opinions with interest. And if the debate begins - finally chic! Yes
                  1. MPN
                    +2
                    3 August 2018 11: 22
                    smile Clear. The guidance system of the BR is complex, nor can they practically go into space, and what kind of AGSN can isolate and visit something? There is only a correction for target designation, and so the BR has the concept of a probable circular deviation .. wink
                    1. +1
                      3 August 2018 11: 26
                      Thanks for the clarification, Pash! drinks
                      1. MPN
                        +2
                        3 August 2018 11: 56
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        Thanks for the clarification, Pash! drinks

                        Happy friday drinks
            2. +9
              3 August 2018 10: 03
              Quote: seos
              Solid propellant rockets, unlike rockets with a jet engine, when attacking a sea target, can fly 1 meter above sea level
              What else is flying a meter from the water? Iskander Quasiballistic rocket, he cannot fly at a very low altitude
            3. +3
              3 August 2018 12: 33
              Quote: seos
              I have long been waiting for Iskander to be equipped with a missile capable of attacking sea targets.

              Oil painting. Now you will turn around.

              Quote: seos
              Solid propellant rockets, unlike rockets with a jet engine, when attacking a sea target, can fly 1 meter above sea level. not afraid that water splashes will get into the air intake ... With this method of attack, the ship can detect a rocket from about 18 km, the rocket flies at a speed of 8M, it is simply impossible to repulse such an attack

              What irrepressible fantasies 8Max at a height of 1 meter, a Tsunami rocket.

              Seriously black and white:
              "NPK" KBM "handed over to the Ministry of Defense a set of OTRK" Iskander-M "for equipment
              rocket brigade
              Kolomna, July 1, 2013
              Press release
              June 28, 2013 Research and Production Corporation Design Bureau
              Engineering ”, part of Rostec, handed over to the Ministry of Defense of Russia a set
              complex "Iskander-M" for equipping a missile brigade. As part of the brigade
              two new types of high-precision missiles were delivered: cruise and aeroballistic.
              For the first time, the complex was delivered in full. "
              The release in the public domain, who can read sees that it is possible to use 2 types of rockets
              BALLISTIC - 9M723

              what you need to understand:
              The range of the active section of the trajectory is 12-15 km
              Trajectory height - approx. 50 km
              The height of the start or goal above sea level - 3000 m
              Airspeed - 2100 m / s
              Speed ​​at the target - 700-800 m / s
              Angle dive missiles at the target - 90 deg.

              Solid fuel dive angle 90 degrees - all

              PS The news that they finally fastened the GOS 9B918 active radar

              AEROBALLISTIC - R-500 / 9M728

              what you need to understand:
              Engine:
              - starting - RTTT
              - marching - small turbofan engine TRDD-50BE developed by OMKB together with NPO Saturn and production of the Omsk Motor Design Bureau and NPO Saturn
              Mass of warhead - 480 kg
              Range - 500 km
              Airspeed - 260-300 m / s
              Flight Duration - 25 minutes
              QUO - about 1 m

              Dear porridge in your head from two rockets and fantasies.
            4. -1
              3 August 2018 13: 45
              This is a ballistic missile attacking a target vertically from space.
            5. +4
              3 August 2018 19: 09
              Quote: seos
              Solid propellant rockets, unlike rockets with a jet engine, when attacking a sea target, can fly at 1 meter above sea level.

              It’s interesting and what kind of rockets are these? Give an example, plz!
              Quote: seos
              the rocket flies at 8M,

              Wow! And men don’t know !!! At an altitude of 1,0 m from the "surface of the water" (waves, you need to understand, for it it was "specially" smoothed out?) And with a speed of 8 swings !!! Horror !!! And then what range will she have? After all, the entire "charge" will go to speed in dense layers of the atmosphere ... the car silently smokes on the sidelines!
              And you can imagine a spoiled trace at such "flight" !? A tomket with a lower speed and a higher height goes:
        2. +7
          3 August 2018 08: 53
          Quote: seos
          ... certainly not 500 km ... there is a jet engine, not a solid fuel ...

          - this is about Iskander K (cruise missile R - 500)
          Engine:
          - starting - RTTT
          - marching - small turbofan engine TRDD-50BE developed by OMKB together with NPO Saturn and production of the Omsk Motor-Design Bureau and NPO Saturn.
        3. KCA
          +4
          3 August 2018 09: 35
          What are you talking about? Is a solid fuel engine not jet? Which one then?
        4. +1
          3 August 2018 12: 09
          Iskander M - certainly not 500 km ... there is a jet engine, not a solid fuel ...

          Did you understand what you wrote? I do not understand, read it again. But for now I have a question about filling up, but isn't a solid-fuel engine jet, and what do you think is a jet engine?
          1. 0
            3 August 2018 21: 28
            Rocket fuel + oxidizer .... turbojet engine = fuel = + oxidizer air.
      2. +6
        3 August 2018 08: 36
        There was info about the KR P-500, in principle, created on the backlog of the KR S-10 Grenade, just for moving surface targets. Here, either with the calculation of the asset management center from the ICRC, or the introduction of Iskander, ZGRLS Monolit, similar to the Bastion BPRK, to the OTRK
        * revival of RK-55 Relief
        1. +3
          3 August 2018 08: 43
          Time will show how it will actually be. While the specifics are not enough to draw conclusions.
        2. 0
          4 August 2018 20: 25
          In principle, OTRK Iskander is already working on an external CC. It gets it in many ways, including in the form of a digital photo. Before the start, the command center develops a flight mission for the missiles of the complex and sends them to launch vehicles. And then in flight, each rocket itself reads the amendments. In principle, it is maneuverable enough to hold Quasi-ballistics on the entire route. So, in the presence of a GOS, even a non-cruise missile should have enough brains and maneuverability to strike a ship. The algorithm will be similar to the P-700, only without role-based intelligence. And approaching the target not on a horizontal shaver, but diving at an angle close to 90.
    2. +4
      3 August 2018 08: 40
      Quote: raw174
      On moving targets to blow nothing? In the sense of aiming ...

      That's it. But what about - = a new warhead with an active homing radar head, =
      If the missile has a homing head, then the rocket can maneuver? So she can work on moving targets?
      It's unclear. What is the difference between a fixed target on the ground and a fixed target on the water? Whoever can explain to me stupid?
    3. +5
      3 August 2018 08: 46
      Exactly. If the head is homing, what should it do to hit the moving target?
      1. +3
        3 August 2018 09: 43
        "Sea Goals" - wiring for the public of NATO countries, and compliance with international weapons regulations. It is clear that the Iskander was originally intended not for water areas, but for territories. This is a simple response to the American Aegis system, but with army humor.hi
        1. +7
          3 August 2018 09: 50
          "Iskander" is a launching pad, what and why they install it on it, it will be smashed to pieces.
        2. +1
          3 August 2018 10: 31
          This is a simple response to the American Aegis system, but with army humor.

          first modified 9M723 to RCC Dagger under Mig-31 and Tu-22М3, and now it’s possible try on back under OTRK - (?)
          1. 0
            3 August 2018 22: 46
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            This is a simple response to the American Aegis system, but with army humor.

            first modified 9M723 to RCC Dagger under Mig-31 and Tu-22М3, and now it’s possible try on back under OTRK - (?)

            "Dagger" on the TU-22M3 is not worth it. What you saw on the carcass - X-32
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      2. +1
        3 August 2018 19: 30
        On a solitary sea - no problems at all laughing , in the group - the problem with the selection of a specific target, but who prevents five ships from releasing five missiles? feel On moving land - the same problem with selection, too much on the sinful earth of any littering garbage recourse So this is really subtle (even cynical) army humor, as comrade sibiralt said lol
  3. +3
    3 August 2018 08: 38
    For "partners", a range of 500 (according to the contract), and so ... laughing
    1. +2
      3 August 2018 10: 34
      And so I heard something up to three thousand. Maybe ringing.
      1. +1
        3 August 2018 13: 35
        Judging by the dimensions, 3 thousand certainly will not pull, but 1500 km is quite. But this, of course, does not apply to the R-500 version, it works for 3000
  4. +1
    3 August 2018 08: 42
    Another would be to create an anti-satellite version so that it could bring down satellites at an altitude of 500 km !!!
    1. +2
      3 August 2018 09: 30
      The main thing is that the satellite should be motionless laughing
      1. +1
        4 August 2018 09: 36
        Better yet, make the satellite on the ground.
  5. +5
    3 August 2018 08: 45
    hi ... To equip the Russian army, a variant of the Iskander-M missile system with an increased flight range (over 450 km), as well as Iskander-K, equipped with a high-precision cruise missile R-500 (range up to 2600 km) of the Caliber system were developed development of Yekaterinburg OAO OKB Novator. The complex was successfully tested in 2007 at the Kapustin Yar training ground.
    1. +3
      3 August 2018 08: 52
      OTRK Iskander-M is just a platform with guiding arrows for 9M723 or TPK missiles
      but in the TPK there can be: P-500, P-800, 3М14, 3М54
      1. +7
        3 August 2018 09: 04
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        ... in TPK can be: R-500, P-800, 3M14, 3M54

    2. 0
      3 August 2018 09: 55
      Iskander-K, equipped with a high-precision cruise missile R-500 (range up to 2600 km)


      Under the INF Treaty, ground-based missiles with a range of 500-5000 km are prohibited.

      Russia has always honestly complied with the terms of the treaties.

      So ... Iskander-K is no further than 500 km.
      1. +2
        3 August 2018 10: 51
        Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
        Under the INF Treaty, ground-based missiles with a range of 500-5000 km are prohibited.
        Russia has always honestly complied with the terms of the treaties.

        A little bit wrong - Russia is always literally fulfilled the terms of the contracts.
        Therefore, land-based missiles with a range of more than 500 km, we officially do not. But there are naval coastal SCRK "Bastion" with "Onyx", which are officially designed for firing at ships, but, as it turned out, can work on ground targets. And if you recall that the “Onyx” are placed in the same launchers as the “calibers” (at least in the Navy) ... smile
        1. 0
          4 August 2018 20: 30
          You still forgot that it suddenly turned out that the P-700 Granite on the ground can :)
  6. +7
    3 August 2018 09: 50
    motionless sea targets


    What is that?

    - Wait! I will shoot!
    - I stand ...
    - I'm shooting!

    wassat
  7. +1
    3 August 2018 10: 01
    Well yes. The ship is so bad to stand still.
    1. +2
      3 August 2018 10: 30
      Quote: kuz363
      Well yes. The ship is so bad to stand still.

      For those who are in the tank quote:
      for example, ships on a raid
      1. +1
        3 August 2018 11: 15
        And how do the "ships standing on the roads" differ from the "bunker standing on the ground"?

        Fixed target - there is a fixed target.

        What is the news about?

        Enemy ships will not be in the raid if the war begins.
        So that? Iskander a weapon for a first strike? For an attack?

        wassat
        1. 0
          3 August 2018 13: 46
          Well, this is already on the principle of “if I knew a purchase, I would be in Sochi”. How they will stand in case of war, no one knows, as well as the start of that very war, all the more so the enemy thinks in vain that he was given the right to start first, and the opponent will dutifully wait. Secondly, all ships and nuclear submarines are never at sea at once, so if necessary, we’ll put them at the bases. Thirdly, it’s officially said in our country that “it’s motionless”, although the AGSN is on the X47M2, it’s logical that the same was done at the OTRK.
          Well, do not forget the main purpose of "Iskander" - work on a wide range of ground targets.
  8. +3
    3 August 2018 10: 33
    everything is logical and interconnected, we are ready for the Americans to leave the DRMSD, increase the distance to Iskander right away to 2500-3000 km, and the continuation of Oka is ready))))
    1. 0
      3 August 2018 11: 06
      Quote: Hadji Murat
      everything is logical and interconnected, we are ready for the Americans to leave the DRMSD, increase the distance to Iskander right away to 2500-3000 km, and the continuation of Oka is ready))))

      Okie? With such a range - this is not the Oka, but the Temp-S. Or generally RK-55 "Relief". smile
    2. 0
      3 August 2018 11: 47
      Everything is foggy and from that it is very annoying, if not to say worse!
    3. 0
      3 August 2018 13: 47
      "Iskander will increase the distance immediately to 2500-3000 km" ////
      ----
      Extend the rocket by a couple of meters? smile
      1. 0
        3 August 2018 14: 13
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Extend the rocket by a couple of meters?

        Put on the PU "iskander" TPK with 3M-14. smile
      2. 0
        3 August 2018 14: 32
        Heh, heh, they say - Ensign will pour goryuchki into the bottle! - True, how to speak of a rocket with a solid fuel engine, they have not yet come up with ... I have not heard!
        Fantasy of couch experts / strategists has no limits.
        A rocket can what it can .... otherwise. this is another rocket.
        However, sho there designers put rockets in the performance characteristics, they don’t tell us everything!
        1. +1
          3 August 2018 15: 28
          Quote: rocket757
          Fantasy of couch experts / strategists has no limits.
          A rocket can what it can .... otherwise. this is another rocket.

          We are always confused complex и rocket. smile
          And they forget that the range of the complex can be changed by replacing a rocket. There, the notorious Caliber complex has already 6 ranges - 2 for anti-ship missiles 3M-54 (domestic and export), 2 for anti-ship missiles 3M-14 and 2 for anti-ship missiles "Onyx" / "Yakhont", which gets into the launcher of this complex.
          1. 0
            3 August 2018 15: 40
            For the complex, the rule is also the same - rockets are installed in it, which are made for it ... TTX and the functionality of the missiles may differ.
      3. 0
        3 August 2018 21: 29
        It was believed that the Iskander rocket for its length has too large a radius and in the carrier there is a place for a longer rocket.
    4. 0
      4 August 2018 20: 38
      Impossible. Iskander missile was designed at a very specific moment and most likely is not subject to modernization. It is a one-step thing in itself.
      The only thing that can be done quickly is to replace the Iskander cruise missile with a long-range caliber complex missile. Their overall size.
  9. 0
    3 August 2018 10: 49
    So according to the text it turns out that Iskander is deployed in Abkhvzia? Who can clarify?
    1. 0
      3 August 2018 11: 37
      Yeah. And how many miles from London to neutral waters can be clarified? lol Here, the entire INF system slips past the mind. belay
  10. +2
    3 August 2018 11: 55
    In the sea (ocean), a fixed target can only be an island or a platform with oilmen. In the harbor at anchor or at the pier, this is exactly the fixed target. But for now, the Iskander M will not reach the shores of the United States.
    1. +2
      3 August 2018 14: 02
      From the coast of the United States, so far only ballistic can fly, again bye.
      They have more than enough mobile launch platforms! The strike fleet is power.
      We have only a vigorous answer to all this is programmed, well, we can let anyone especially arrogant, near our shores we can scare or nail! And then what?
      Control of distant zones, the waters of the oceans, in short, EXPLORATION and CONTROL is something that must be restored and kept in good shape!
      Shaw, I did not hear anything comforting for this problem.
      Attack ships of the fleet, et will not hurt, but reconnaissance ships, et are vital for us. Another reconnaissance space group.
  11. 0
    3 August 2018 13: 30
    For firing on gas and oil platforms, still standing at sea? And the new Iskanders will be placed in Syria and Iran. Suddenly, Yemeni Hussites are mocking Iranian missiles at Saudi terminals, tankers and platforms. Maybe this version of missiles or not?
  12. +2
    3 August 2018 13: 40
    Bullshit is written. How does a fixed ground target differ from a fixed surface ??? The ravings of a journalist.
  13. 0
    3 August 2018 14: 07
    Does this mean that the notorious "Dagger" is just as blind as a mole ... and unable to hit moving targets? It is clear that the poor vision of a rhino is the problem of those who are in its way, but still ...
    1. +1
      3 August 2018 19: 37
      Quote: Dikson
      Does this mean that the notorious "Dagger" is just as blind as a mole ... and unable to hit moving targets?

      But what a rumor and scent of MOLE !!! To check - risk your health ... and we'll see! whether or not he is able to spray your "moving" goals! bully
  14. +2
    3 August 2018 18: 29
    Quote: MPN
    A ballistic missile for moving targets ... what China seems to have ... but in words, but no longer hear ... This should be a completely new ammunition, with a completely new guidance system ...

    The Chinese have already disavowed, EMNIP last year, media statements about anti-ship ballistic missiles. They said that they can only hit ships in the base. That is, motionless goals.

    Quote: seos
    Iskander M - certainly not 500 km ... there is a jet engine, not a solid fuel ...

    Yah? And where does "Iskander-M" and the type of engine? "Iskander-M" is the name COMPLEX, which includes both cruise and ballistic missiles. First yes, with a jet (turbojet) engine. The second is ballistic, with a rocket ....

    Quote: seos
    Well, oh wrong ... 8) BUT this news is many times better than I expected ... I have long been waiting for Iskander to be equipped with a missile capable of attacking sea targets ... It was a logical move, the only thing that had to wait a very long time for implementation. ..

    And the "old" missiles of the Iskander-M complex could not hit stationary naval targets? What is the significant difference, for example, the bunker, according to which the Iskander BR will work from the anchor destroyer (cruiser) ???
    We are very fond of inventing sensations, each time declaring that Iskander had a new rocket. Last year, according to the media and experts, Iskander had five different ballistic missiles
    The question is what is called backfill, But is anyone ready to voice all these five "new" missiles ???

    Quote: seos
    Solid propellant rockets, unlike rockets with a jet engine, when attacking a sea target, can fly 1 meter above sea level. not afraid that water splashes will get into the air intake ... With this method of attack, a ship can detect a rocket from about 18 km, the rocket flies at a speed of 8M, it is simply impossible to repulse such an attack.

    Maybe tell us at least one solid fuel ballistic missile that can fly at a height of 1 meter above the sea surface ??? And what will happen to eight-fly a rocket if it meets a wave at least 1,5 meters high on its way or a burst from an exploding shell ??? Something bore you completely in the wrong direction ... We started to invent, the devil knows what ...
    Even subsonic anti-ship missiles go calmly on the final stretch at heights of 3-5 meters, so as not to accidentally burrow into the wave. And at a speed of 2,5 km / h, and at 1 meter .... How many seconds will it melt during such a flight ???

    Quote: Mimoprohodil
    What else is flying a meter from the water? Iskander quasibalistic rocket, it can’t fly at a very low altitude

    Dear Dima! First of all, the Iskander is a ballistic missile that can fly along a quasi-ballistic trajectory. In this case, her range will fall almost three times, and the accuracy will be as much. But plus one - they will later discover ...

    Quote: Pajama
    BALLISTIC - 9M723
    AEROBALLISTIC - R-500 / 9M728

    Dear Ivan. You like Comrade SEOS, I beg your pardon "skidded". Either by carelessness, or it was a mistake in the source text, but you wrote nonsense. . Product 9М723 - it's really. let's say part of a ballistic missile. Which in turn can be:

    • AEROBALLISTIC - if launched from an airplane. In this case DAGGER - This is an aeroballistic missile, like the previously existing Soviet aeroballistic missile X-15. It can still be called BRVZ - ballistic missile air to earth

    • QUASIBALLISTIC - if it moves not according to a “pure” ballistic, but according to quasi-ballistic flattened trajectories with a lower apogee than the ballistic

    But the product 9M728 (R-500) is in no way aeroballistic. It's clean WINGED Rocket

    Quote: voyaka uh
    This is a ballistic missile attacking a target vertically from space

    Well, it’s difficult to call space an altitude of 40-50 km

    Quote: san4es
    it's about Iskander K

    In fact, such a complex does not exist in nature. These are media fiction. There is only the Iskander-M complex with a ballistic and cruise missile. The Iskander-K complex only with a wing does not exist in nature. Although this is a regularly reported mistake in the media

    Quote: Ros 56
    Iskander M - certainly not 500 km ... there is a jet engine, not a solid fuel ...

    Did you understand what you wrote? I do not understand, read it again. But for now I have a question about filling up, but isn't a solid-fuel engine jet, and what do you think is a jet engine?

    Solid propellant actually rocket. Out of habit, a turbojet engine is always called. And this comrade apparently wanted to write. In principle, he is right. Rocket is one thing (fuel and an oxidizer with a liquid or mixed with a solid propellant engine on the rocket itself), and jet (turbojet) is a little different (fuel in a rocket, the oxidizing agent is oxygen)

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    There was info about the KR P-500, in principle, created on the backlog of the KR S-10 Grenade, just for moving surface targets. Here, either with the calculation of the asset management center from the ICRC, or the introduction of Iskander, ZGRLS Monolit, similar to the Bastion BPRK, to the OTRK

    It really was created on the basis of the backlog of cruise missiles S-10 and S-12. But these missiles were never designed to hit moving targets. Nothing will be introduced into the Iskander-M complex. No Monoliths. This is an excess. And since when did the Monolith suddenly become an over-the-horizon radar?

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    OTRK Iskander-M is just a platform with guiding arrows for 9M723 or TPK missiles.
    but in the TPK there can be: P-500, P-800, 3М14, 3М54

    The listed missiles cannot be in TPK. If only because for them different TPK. Would write different TPK - it would be more or less correct. Although some of the above in the cargo compartment of the Iskander simply will not fit

    Quote: igorbrsv
    And so I heard something up to three thousand. Maybe ringing.

    Maybe not ringing. Perhaps with another type of fuel it will be so. But we gratefully gossip with our tongue, draw on the radii maps that cover the whole of Europe and start to be terribly indignant when the Americans begin to accuse us of violating the treaty? This is the same situation when they say - MY TONGUE IS MY ENEMY. Even if the real range (calculated by the way quite easily) and exceeds the declared 500 km - there were no launches over a range of more than 500 km, so there are no complaints .... And as they say - NO AND NO COURT
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      3 August 2018 20: 33
      Quote: Old26
      What is the significant difference, for example, the bunker, according to which the Iskander BR will work from the anchor destroyer (cruiser) ???

      The bunker is the point, and the ship on the YS is the circle. It's like a dog around a booth on a chain. Therefore, it’s not easy to get into the ship, even at the anchorage point ... Yes
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      4 August 2018 00: 53
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      Quote: Old26
      Dear Ivan. I, like SEOS comrade, apologize "skidded". Either by carelessness, or it was a mistake in the source text, but you wrote nonsense. . Product 9M723 is valid. let's say part of a ballistic missile. Which in turn can be:
      • AEROBALLISTIC - if launched from an airplane. In this case, the DAGGER is an aeroballistic missile, like the previously existing Soviet aeroballistic missile X-15. It can also be called BRVZ - ballistic missile air to earth
      • QUASIBALLISTIC - if it moves not along a “pure” ballistic, but along a quasiballistic, “flattened” trajectory with a lower apogee than that of a ballistic
      But the product 9M728 (R-500) is in no way aeroballistic. This is a pure winged rocket.

      I agree my cant about 9M728 of course she’s winged, I thought one wrote another
      But I allow myself to note that in the press release NPK “KBM” calls 9M723 aeroballistic, but I agree it flies along a parabolic path and goes 50 km and further to the target.

      about 9M728 it’s hard for me to understand how it is structurally different from 3M14, well, if you don’t think about INF. This is to say that 500km and 25-30 minutes of flight.
  15. +1
    3 August 2018 18: 30
    Quote: Alexey RA
    And if you recall that the “Onyx” are placed in the same launchers as the “calibers” (at least in the Navy) ...

    Their TPK are placed in a single vertical PU 3S14. The containers are different ...

    Quote: kuz363
    Well yes. The ship is so bad to stand still.

    Very persistent rumors are that when they are in the base, they are anchored or barrel - they are motionless

    Quote: Hadji Murat
    everything is logical and interconnected, we are ready for the Americans to leave the DRMSD, increase the distance to Iskander right away to 2500-3000 km, and the continuation of Oka is ready))))

    Well, they won’t increase to such a range, miracles do not happen, but to increase by 300-400 km is easy ...

    Quote: Alexey RA
    Okie? With such a range - this is not the Oka, but the Temp-S. Or generally RK-55 "Relief".

    The Tempa-S had a maximum range with a light warhead of up to 950 km. "Relief". I’m sorry, actually a cruise missile.

    Quote: Alexey RA
    Will put on the TP "Iskander" TPK with 3M-14

    They won’t deliver. The weapons compartment on SPU 9P78-1 of the Iskander-M complex is approximately 7,5 meters long. 3M14 length - approximately 8,22

    Quote: garri-lin
    So according to the text it turns out that Iskander is deployed in Abkhvzia? Who can clarify?

    In Abkhazia were teachings. The Iskander brigades in Abkhazia are not deployed. The exercise was attended by SPU of one of the teams of the Southern Military District. Which of the two is HZ

    Quote: siberalt
    Yeah. And how many miles from London to neutral waters can be clarified?

    Approximately 80 km from central London

    Quote: Dikson
    Does this mean that the notorious "Dagger" is just as blind as a mole ... and unable to hit moving targets? It is clear that the poor vision of a rhino is the problem of those who are in its way, but still ...

    If there is a homing head and the Dagger goes into the area where this head captures the target. And this is a rather narrow sector and a range of about 50 km - it can also affect the moving one. In the same way, if there is an active radar seeker on the Iskander, it can theoretically hit moving ones. If the target is in the capture zone of the seeker. But most likely this is only a way to "steer" exactly on target than a full-fledged option
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    3 August 2018 20: 25
    and here they come and show pain from the head, the “BULOVA” warheads are one use and the pain will leave you forever ..
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    3 August 2018 20: 32
    Quote: andron-30
    and here they come and show pain from the head, the “BULOVA” warheads are one use and the pain will leave you forever ..

    I didn’t write something, did you understand me differently because I wanted to show the problem, or would I have to go to the LDPR

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