Titov: The concept of "retirement age" must be removed

Business Ombudsman Boris Titov, Commissioner for the Rights of Entrepreneurs, proposed to abandon the appointment of a pension upon reaching the "retirement age", but to appoint it when a person has a certain length of service, reports News.ru

According to the Ombudsman, what the authorities are now proposing will only be able to balance the budget of the Pension Fund for some time, then experts predict that in no more than three years everything will return to its current state, since new jobs are actually not created for the population. As a result, hardly all the funds “saved” as a result of the current reform run the risk of going to pay unemployment benefits.

Titov proposes to move to a new pension scheme, when the pension is assigned according to the experience gained by the person. At the same time, there should be an opportunity in case of a shortage of seniority, to “buy it” in order to be able to retire earlier than scheduled. In addition, the Ombudsman proposes making pension accounts the property of citizens, not of the state.

Without going into details, we can say that Titov proposes to assign a minimum retirement experience for all categories of the working population, which will operate only within the framework of a joint pension system. During the time of this experience, a person earns a certain "average" pension. If a person’s income allows him to earn well, then he can use the funded pension. The logic is simple: I did not manage to save up during my work - you use "the usual joint pension."

Recall that earlier Titov proposed to abolish the Pension Fund of Russia because of its "bulkiness" and transfer its functions to the Federal Treasury.

Comments

[koksalek]

still need to abolish half of the deputies so as not to generate any nonsense in order to justify their "activities"

[siberalt]

It is amazing how this idiot ran for president!

[antivirus]

verb from "AP members" -trial ball

if they pay little and no work, but you need to "collect points" or other pension rights, accruals - an option to change the system
see 100 years ago
The palaces have been restored - is it possible to ruin and rob already?

[maxim947]

You first read it carefully, this is when the brain is involved in the process. It offers a very convenient, transparent and understandable scheme, especially in terms of its own accounts of citizens, and the liquidation of the pension fund, it is not really needed in that form, plus tens of thousands, if not hundreds, of the people who serve it.

[Logall]

Now there will be a lot of speculation on this topic ... Everyone is sharply preoccupied with this "problem"! But the problem is not the age of retirement ... The problem is the employment of the population! When people are provided with work with a white salary, then taxes will be deducted ...
Yes, something also needs to be done with the pension fund, 16% for maintenance is a little expensive ...
By the way, you can make a voluntary absenteeism to retire, so that a person who comes out later, if desired, is five to ten years old (if the old man is crisp), then the pension will be higher ...
A bunch of options, but just to start, you need to start with employment, and not with robbery!

[maxim947]

Regarding the minimum length of service for retirement: this can be compared with the procedure established in the Armed Forces of the Ministry of Defense, i.e. There are 20 years of service — you can retire, or you continue to serve, and with each year of service you increase your pension. What's bad about it? For me, it’s very convenient and understandable.

[Logall]

Maxim, the bad thing is that the problem is being solved on the wrong side: in order to retire, one must earn a pension; to earn a pension, you need to work; to work, you need work!
Jobs are not created! The state does not contribute to this ... But only contributes to the fact that from gray z.p. switched to frankly black ... After all, those who are confident that they will survive to retirement age are becoming less and less.

[maxim947]

And to work you need to be born, so condoms must be banned. That you are all in a heap of dumping, employment is a separate issue, here we are talking about pension reform.

[Logall]

So this is the essence of the fact that for a start you need to tackle the causes, and they immediately to the investigation! They raise their age referring to forecasts ... Like: "we predict that over the next years the average age of life expectancy will increase to that of European countries ..."
They predict ... And they do not predict something to improve the standard of living. But it is precisely the standard of living that provides a long duration! And the standard of living, in turn, is ensured by adequately paid employment.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Logall

First you need to deal with the causes, and they immediately to the investigation! They raise their age referring to forecasts ... Like: "we predict that over the next years the average age of life expectancy will increase to that of European countries ..." They predict ... And they do not predict something to improve the standard of living. But it is precisely the standard of living that provides a long duration! And the standard of living, in turn, is ensured by adequately paid employment.

The fact of the matter is that the creation of ADDITIONAL jobs in the country by the neoliberal government of the Russian Federation Medvedev and Putin is either not supposed at all, or they will be given in fact the so-called foreign "labor" migrants as supposedly the cheapest labor in the country. The quality issues of foreign labor do not bother them.

Indeed, most foreign migrants in Russia are migrants from the SA. At the same time, 1 / 3 migrants from the CA countries are completely illiterate, since in the Russian Federation for a long time already - from the 2004 of the year — the rural population, most of all, has left the country, and moreover, from distant regions in which there have been no schools for a long time.

In Russia, the indigenous population has long been replaced by semi-literate peoples with a different culture and faith. And their number unofficially reaches in Russia about 25 mln. Only according to foreign data. In fact, there are more of them in Russia.
It is noteworthy that only according to official Russian data from those who OFFICIALLY managed to register while crossing the Russian border, only 15% officially work. The remaining 85% make up the "black" labor market in the Russian Federation.
And it is very beneficial to the neoliberal Russian oligarchs in power. They are driven solely by their personal enrichment.

Until the migration policy of the authorities in the Russian Federation changes for Russian pensioners, except for civil servants and state employees, nothing good will come of pensions in the future.

[udincev]

Quote: Logall

They raise their age referring to forecasts ...

You're not right. They raise stupidly following IMF recommendations (like raising taxes, doing tax maneuvers and tricks).

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: Logall

the standard of living, in turn, is ensured by well-paid employment.

Normal - provided by labor. “Worthy of being paid” - not unambiguously,

[Leshy1975]

Quote: maxim947

And to work you need to be born, so condoms must be banned. That you are all in a heap of dumping, employment is a separate issue, here we are talking about pension reform.

The pension issue is an inseparable part of the economy, i.e. availability and expenditure of funds. Therefore, Logall (Alexander) correctly points out, without solving economic issues, the solution of a separate pension is impossible. And in this part, the current government pretends to be a fool and does not say anything. Although, everything is true, if the economy is not linked to the solution of the pension problem, then the solution is definitely only one - to reduce and not pay. What they are trying to do.

[Siberian]

For you, it may be good, but our generation left institutions without distribution and the possibility of getting a job somewhere. They did not sit without work for a day, but without a work book, without official registration. There was no choice: anyway. It was announced that the trap was no longer needed - taxes taken into account in pennies. to the fund, everything is being excavated. Now invented the ball system. And now the same state decides that, nevertheless, the length of service is of the same importance. The number of births falls into the ball system. And why didn’t the number of raised children who are not drug addicts not die in drunken fights, by the very mother who gave birth to 7-8 pieces? Those who have gone abroad, their parents are glad that they are well attached, so they do not form funds for you, but for the Swedes, the British and the Americans. That would be all figured out.

[maxim947]

What nonsense are you writing? When did you talk about some kind of adjustment? There was no such thing. The choice of work in black, this is only your choice, but there is always a choice, you had to think before.

[Egg]

Quote: maxim947

The choice of work in black, this is only your choice.

far from always he is voluntary, much more often he is forced

Quote: maxim947

There was no choice: anyway.

even now, in all sorts of small offices of LLC and IE, he is just like that.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: maxim947

What nonsense are you writing? When did you talk about some kind of adjustment? There was no such thing. The choice of work in black, this is only your choice, but there is always a choice, you had to think before.

Yes, there is always a choice. But what choice is this? Here I am, PERSONALLY closed the enterprise two weeks ago. The staff went to look for work. We did not have the largest salaries from 24 to 28 thousand, but 100% in white. While we are documenting, other org. questions, I ask the former employees: how did you manage to get a job? (used to people, sincerely interested). Yes, says one employee, found: 10 thousand. in white, 10 thousand. in an envelope. And also, I ask, are there any options? He answers: wherever they take or where I agree (for other options, where she physically can’t stand it or didn’t specify far to go), not yet. So, she has such a choice, or with a proudly raised head to remain without work. And how long does it take so long? Or go to these conditions. She says: I certainly don’t like it, but where to go, I’ll go. And this is the REAL choice of the REAL person. Between eat and starve, if not go. And this is just a slogan:
"Choosing a job in black is just your choice."
As for: "and there is always a choice, it was necessary to think earlier." I almost agree. With the first part in full, the main thing is to understand what and what to choose between. But with the second “it was necessary to think earlier” almost exactly, because it’s not too late to think (it’s still alive for sure, and then it will not work out in this world). And if you think about the fact that you made a mistake earlier and admit it, then the thinking person should try to correct this mistake. Well, for example, we were mistaken with the current government, so you need to fix it, and not shrug your hands, what can you do now.

[maxim947]

I agree completely, only one point:

And if you think about it, you’ve made a mistake earlier and admit it,

- namely, just admit your mistake.
We are accustomed to condemning and scolding everyone around us, doctors and cops who take bribes and pay them ourselves right away, a black salary - but we sit on the priest evenly and harbor, and we are confident that someone else should solve your problems. In our society, there has already historically been no healthy civic position. And there are many reasons for this, including our own inertia and fear.

[Siberian]

I will surprise you, probably, but I will do it - there is no choice now. All my young friends. graduates trade in cell shops or managers in dairy firms. Easily flow from one to another, because it is not good anywhere. Plastic windows - no employment. And all the work that is - 12-15000, except for crane operators in the far north. And where did you get the idea that you are so smart, and we all thought of nothing? And before and now.

[maxim947]

Come on, all your young acquaintances don’t want to work, that's all morality, they take the young at many enterprises with a bang, only they run away from there at the moment, but the salary is low - from 20000 rubles, but many want everything at once, and work there for 10 years and the salary will increase and experience will appear, etc. Simply, most do not want to work.

[forty-eighth]

This is just one of the problems. And in age there is also a problem. The other one. I work in KB, normal office work, dustless. Nevertheless, men-pence under 65 years old are quite few. Someone is dying, someone is overcoming sores, someone has grandchildren. Here, 62, 63 year olds, in principle, are enough, and those who are older are already a few. The situation with women is about the same. A lot of 57, 58 year olds, but almost 60 year olds. For various reasons. And this, I repeat, in an office with batteries and air conditioners. What happens in workshops where in the summer it is +40, and in the winter it is +5, I can’t even imagine.

[Andrey Sukharev]

Quote: Logall

Now there will be a lot of speculation on this topic ... Everyone is sharply preoccupied with this "problem"! But the problem is not the age of retirement ... The problem is the employment of the population! When people are provided with work with a white salary, then taxes will be deducted ...
Yes, something also needs to be done with the pension fund, 16% for maintenance is a little expensive ...
By the way, you can make a voluntary absenteeism to retire, so that a person who comes out later, if desired, is five to ten years old (if the old man is crisp), then the pension will be higher ...
A bunch of options, but just to start, you need to start with employment, and not with robbery!

We live in a wild capitalism in which 100% of employment is not provided

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Andrey Sukharev

We live in a wild capitalism in which 100% of employment is not provided

It is provided, but as a last resort. This is when 90% of the population takes up pitchforks and cobblestones and drives 10% of those who have seized the country's resources and do not want to share them. This hat is called the Revolution, which occurs at that moment, "When the lower classes can no longer, and the upper ones do not want to." After this, mutual understanding sets in for several decades. The trouble is that history does not teach the elite anything.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Andrey Sukharev

We live in a wild capitalism in which 100% of employment is not provided

It is provided, but as a last resort. This is when 90% of the population takes up pitchforks and cobblestones and drives 10% of those who have seized the country's resources and do not want to share them. This hat is called the Revolution, which occurs at that moment, "When the lower classes can no longer, and the upper ones do not want to." After this, mutual understanding sets in for several decades. The trouble is that history does not teach the elite anything.

The trouble is that there should not be any elites, and each time we agree on them. Well, since there are elites, there should be pariahs. Why then be surprised?

[Demon_is_ada]

Well, I would say a little differently ... the lower classes want to (change for the better and KNOW) and the upper circles are not ... degraded by freebies and permissiveness ... yeah ...
But all the same, this process is very difficult to turn, especially since the tops have neither mind nor conscience at all ... not even a soul, they sold ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

But all the same, this process is very difficult to turn, especially since the upper classes have neither mind nor conscience at all ... not even a soul, sold

No namesake, here you are wrong. They have nothing to sell due to lack of soul. They have only exceptional interest in their arsenal - PERSONAL. As for the mind, this is debatable. At least he (they) had enough for them to “throw” tens of millions of Russians into serious “moneymakers” for a short period of time, having repeatedly drained their deposits and appropriated the main state assets putting them at the service of their interests and doing so so that they (Russians) resign themselves to the fig present, curse their past "bright future" based on the works of such Jews as Solzhenitsyn. It is strange that, having renounced the past, the Russians suddenly cried out about the need to preserve the legacy of the “damned communists” —the retirement age, 8 hours a day, free medicine and education, and other social benefits. There is no longer that social state for 27 years. Having abandoned the gains of fathers and grandfathers in 1991, together rushing into the capitalist ass, all in a crowd in July 2018 suddenly realized that it smells bad. Yes gentlemen Capitalism and social justice are slightly different things, so different that they are simply incompatible !!! The historical pump, on many examples, has repeatedly shown that it always shakes toward a narrow group of people in power. Otherwise, it does not work. In the USSR, a valve was installed in the pump operation scheme, which relieved excess pressure and reasonably equalized everyone both horizontally and vertically, but even that one eventually became clogged. The system was demolished and it works now as before, one way .

[Demon_is_ada]

Humanly you are right and BG is so merciful that it gives everyone a soul and a chance, and not one. Therefore, Muslims in circulation are in the first place merciful, and only then omnipotent. Neither BG nor the Devil is interested in buying souls This is a human horror story with geyropa came. The first one gives it, and the second one is interested in volunteers who are well aware that they are not drawn to paradise, but that it is necessary to render assistance in the implementation of the plans of the Almighty, to the best of their abilities
And they sold their souls to the same people as themselves, for Hollywood, for jeans and chewing gum. By the way, the bible has a description of what is being done now ... Procurator, it was possible for him to save Yeshua, but he “washed his hands”, according to the modern one, went on the occasion of the electorate to raise his rating in the end, they destroyed their savior, killed God in themselves ... Well, where is that Empire? And romale are still being spread around the world like mad, and they all strive to arrange a Holocaust for them ...
Why is this all? And how will you test your children for independence? The only way - home alone 1 And then ... Christianity is by no means peaceful and not a white and fluffy religion ... And the "burning coals" and the principle of inevitability? So they may have a mind, but there is no reason

[bk316]

The problem is employment!

Greetings to Alexander.
1.
Of course you are right. The pension system is not part of the economy at all.
Just why did you decide that this is Titov’s only proposal?
This article was written only about this proposal. So your indignation is not to Titov but to the author of the article.

2. You understand that a sharp negative reaction to the headlines and interspersed with the words "Pension reform" without reading and analyzing the article became the main one at VO. No need to be compared to the State Department Trolls.

3. In essence, your offer about salaries. The thing is that the level of wages of wage earners under capitalism is not a concern of the state, this is a private affair of a pair of employer-worker. WE ARE LIVING IN A CAPITALIST STATE. So, to the question of who is to blame for such salaries, the answer we are to blame for letting us destroy the socialist state in 91 and 93.

4. What is still not fulfilling the role of the state in the context of pensions. The capitalist state must create the conditions for long-term investment. Ours does not create, so there is nowhere to invest money for pension savings. And this is the main problem.

5. Essentially Titov’s proposal. The proposal on the basis of which a transparent system can be built is very clear. My opinion is that this is why it will not be accepted. The government has not yet published not only the model, but also the conclusions from the model, it seems they deliberately evade transparent decisions.

[AUL]

Well, there is a rational grain in this proposal. Only here is a single, common experience for all categories of workers will not work. For a machinist, diver, official or ballerina, experience should be different!

[Zubr]

The idea is very sound, really worth the attention. And if you further refine the idea with individual investment protected accounts, together with this proposal, ideally it would be a very sound approach. But at the expense of the liquidation of the pension fund, it’s too early. It is not clear where to give benefits, war veterans, labor, how will these issues be regulated?

[maxim947]

These are all details that are quite easily resolved.

[syndicalist]

I, so I believe that the tax will not be needed. If you subtract all the collection costs from the collected, then, quite possibly, the result will be negative

[Zubr]

And legal entities, who will serve? If only to create an electronic tax service, which is a very good idea. you won’t bribe her, you won’t fool her. We have a law on electronic signatures and seals, and it is very successfully working. There is a data center.

[VIT101]

Quote: maxim947

It offers a very convenient, transparent and clear scheme,

At first glance, the scheme is really interesting, especially the right to retire not by age but by seniority. But is there something similar in other countries?

[Dashout]

Quote: siberalt

It is amazing how this idiot ran for president!

Yeah...
But what about politics in general? Previously (in socialism) there was a slogan: “We are dear to the young everywhere, we honor the old people everywhere!” Now what?
There’s even no answer .. I don’t want to write ...

[Solomon Kane]

Oh! As Comrade Zheglov used to say:
"Would take off his foreign suit, put on a camp quilted jacket and either in the cutting area or in sunny Magadan!"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: siberalt

It's amazing how this idiot ran for president.

so he was not alone there

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: siberalt

It's amazing how this idiot ran for president.

so he was not alone there

I know one more. I could not even imagine the pre-election program, I did not master it. And he became president!

[Yura]

Quote: siberalt

It is amazing how this idiot ran for president!

He is also a provocateur. He is not friends with his head at all, which he only has for his hat.

[Senior manager]

Quote: siberalt

It is amazing how this idiot ran for president!

You so zealously attacked Titov, probably feed somewhere near the FIU, or deputy? His thought is very sound.

[Starover_Z]

since for the population new jobs are not actually created.

So create jobs, and then throw offers!
And then they became "buy-sell" businessmen for instant profit!

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Starover_Z

since for the population new jobs are not actually created.

So create jobs, and then throw offers!
And then they became "buy-sell" businessmen for instant profit!

That's right. And therefore, it is necessary to remove the concept of “businessman” and return the old - “speculator” with all the consequences. And with the pension system there’s nothing to invent-return the USSR model. And it’s time to return the country to a socialist course ... this oligarchic feudalism has already pulled up Fed up.

[Mr Credo]

Grandfather! You are not in the business market! It is necessary to pay salaries to officials as from deductions to the pension fund, and to pay pensions from the budget as officials. Then there will be a real movement! A A A! The population is declining and officials’s income is falling! Need to do something! We need to reform! The population cannot contain such an amount of leadership and pay them such salaries! What to do? It is necessary for officials to pay a minimum wage! Why? So the number of population is reduced and it can no longer pay for the maintenance of power! Maybe it's worth asking the question like that?

[DEDPIHTO]

Grandchildren, hucksters and bandits bazaar. Further, you correctly set out the minimum wage, you only think superficially. Without breaking the entire vicious system, nothing can be achieved, the government will not go to tighten its own belts. That means the belts will tighten us, everything is more and more severe .. Before the explosion, terrible and merciless ..

[Mr Credo]

Grandpa! About the scrapping of the system you verb correctly! The only question is who will break? But in the 90s, who broke the system? The most disadvantaged? Are they Muscovites? Here in the LNR at the beginning there were popular leaders. As if in Crimea there were representatives from the people. Why only their fate was different? LDNR leaders are liquidated, and Crimea leaders are in good health! But both there and there were for the Russian World. That is why such selectivity? Maybe in one case was planned, and in another impromptu?

[DEDPIHTO]

Here people already stated how to break. In the elections, we vote in large numbers for the Communist Party (the only party stomping on the socialist path), not paying attention to the identity of Zu, to the media from the bourgeois comrades-in-arms of the right-wing Russians and Zhirinovites, thereby creating a two-party system in the country where the Communist Party with our help, he can get a constitutional majority. By the way, Volodin has already howled about this, saying that with a bipartisan system we risk (the government risks) lose control of the regions Well, such as pushing their people to positions in the regions will not work. Now he is preoccupied with the creation of Unit 3.0, realizing that kirdyk is advancing to this Unit.
That's about the way we can help. If in the elections the power of Edru will draw 76%, well, apparently, our fate seems to be such a story to remind the parasites ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: Starover_Z

since for the population new jobs are not actually created.

So create jobs, and then throw offers!

The fact of the matter is that the creation of jobs by the neoliberal government of the Russian Federation is either not expected, or they will be given to the so-called. foreign "labor" migrants as the cheapest labor force in the country.

Indeed, the majority of foreign migrants in Russia are migrants from the Federation Council. At the same time, 1 / 3 migrants from the CA countries are completely illiterate, since in the Russian Federation for a long time already - from the 2004 of the year — the rural population, most of all, has left the country, and moreover, from distant regions in which there have been no schools for a long time.

In Russia, the indigenous population has long been replaced by semi-literate peoples with a different culture and faith. And their number unofficially reaches in Russia about 25 mln. Only according to foreign data. In fact, there are more of them in Russia.
It is noteworthy that only according to official Russian data from those who OFFICIALLY managed to register while crossing the Russian border, only 15% officially work. The remaining 85% make up the "black" labor market in the Russian Federation.
And it is very beneficial to the neoliberal Russian oligarchs in power.

Until the migration policy of the authorities in the Russian Federation changes for Russian pensioners, except for civil servants and state employees, nothing good will come of pensions in the future.

[yehat]

concept businessman why clean?
you just don’t need to call anybody businessmen. Speculation in the West is generally not considered a form of work. Oligarchic feudalism did not appear in the year 91, but much earlier, when the party was able to begin actively securing privileges for itself - special supply, telephone law, various additional opportunities, a summer house + company car now relied on the position, and not on the project, transfer of privileges children, the use of corrupt procurement and trade organizations for profit.
And I remember that the party boss and some secretary were not equal, the first one had a lot of power to control the fate of people. And only the upbringing of a significant part of the party members in power for the time being restrained the final changes when the brakes for using the power for personal purposes were turned off.
It was already oligarchic feudalism. And perestroika only allowed him to crawl out from under the shadow of ideology. And it began in the distant 50s, when under Khrushchev began to change one rule after another, raising the party functionaries.

[Yura]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

And it’s time to return the country to a socialist course

It would be normal, but something the same Titovs introduced themselves to me in the deputies of socialist Russia. It’s terrible to Alex people and it’s not even about the money, it is people who decide how much they need, how to get them, how to spend, conscience, the concept of morality is a purely human concept.

[Stas157]

Titov: The concept of "retirement age" must be removed

Yes, remove pensions altogether ... free medicine, education! There is no money! And it will never be like this, if it concerns the common people. I'd people's I wouldn’t call the deputies! They would be more suitable - anti folk.

[Mr Credo]

Stas! You're wrong! Deputies just need to be optimized as it happens everywhere! Elementary! Deputies state employees? Yes. Is budget saving? Yes. So in order to save, we pay them a minimum wage (they themselves voted that the minimum wage is normal!). No executive cars. They are on a budget that needs to be saved. It means trips by public transport, and cars from their own means (from their minimum wage!). Or are there any objections?

[uskrabut]

Quote: Mister Creed

Or are there any objections?

There are no objections, but there is a question of how to achieve this. The laws are passed by deputies - people's exiles, but they themselves will not cut anything and will not voluntarily deprive themselves of all sorts of benefits. This situation in the country is called revolutionary, when the people are already sick of it, and the tops still can’t get drunk.

[Mr Credo]

The situation is revolutionary. Only the leader is not. There was also a revolutionary situation in LDNR. But people drank beer and ate donuts. With the advent of Strelkov, resistance appeared. We have not seen a leader in Russia yet. And without a leader, there won’t be any movement. Grudinin tried, but he was quickly extinguished. Who is next? Which Givi or Motorola will lead the process?

[Demon_is_ada]

Actually, there is a method, our nationalists (in the right, academic sense) passed through it and as a result we have a bunch of autonomous groups, 3-5 people across the country. But they are united by ideology and act according to ideology ... There is an ideology commander, but it is for an interim period, then, in principle, there is nothing yet ...
They put normal leaders, and instead of them Kasparov, Albats, Navalny was attached to them, etc. Well, where are they all? Ideology did not allow them to take root, but the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with its flags was on the Russian march and the monarchists were there, and if they marched in the same column, then something united them?

[Mr Credo]

In addition to ideology, there should also be an economic program. Navalny, in my opinion, has no ideology and no economic program. There is only protest for the sake of protest. We need a leader with suggestions, and not a dekhkhanin singing only about what he sees.

[Demon_is_ada]

Ideology is the cornerstone of the economy ... But in the same USA, they really respect and love businessmen, and why? But because they exploit abroad, and pay taxes in America, or rather paid in the old days ... Well, for example, we introduce a ban on the use of hired labor by private individuals, acre of the state and seasonal field work and a mustache It is impossible to withdraw resources and factories at the request of a pike; the only option is to give out shares to employees But they will first try to sabotage, a cheaper option ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Mister Creed

Or are there any objections?

What am I? Does anything depend on me? But, I think the deputies will be against it!

[Hoc vince]

"... when a person has worked out a certain experience ..."
The question is how to “determine” the experience, otherwise it will be worse than age?
So, the deputies will establish a “certain” experience in order to confuse everyone with the instructions of its definition!

[ALEXXX1983]

Quote: Hoc vince

"... when a person has worked out a certain experience ..."
The question is how to “determine” the experience, otherwise it will be worse than age?
So, the deputies will establish a “certain” experience in order to confuse everyone with the instructions of its definition!

Yes, everything is simple - you can: 60 years of experience for men and 55 for women. Well, 1 year for deputies and senior officials.

[yehat]

I’m interested in the item about "buy years of experience"
how much can it cost? and what is the point of buying up when the year of retirement now is about 100 thousand rubles.

[Zubr]

I’m interested in the item about "buy years of experience"

Good point! But it seems to me like this, we have a provision on the minimum wage.
Despite the fact that the pension system constantly changes in the legislative framework, the general rate for contributions to the FIU does not change. For the 2018 year, it is the same 22% of the salary, provided that the payments cannot exceed the annual limit.
If it is exceeded, then deductions amount to 10% of earnings.
Those who pay contributions on their own will also pay fixed contributions to the Pension Fund, which amount to 26% of the minimum wage. Moreover, this amount is multiplied by 12 months.

It is from this position that you can dance.

[rocket757]

The best, of course, is the enemy of the good ..... but for any idea you need to carefully consider, verify and have a reasonable EXPERT opinion.
Again, this cannot be applied without discussing such an important topic publicly.
Fly in the ointment, such a bo-o-big! - nothing can be changed by such methods, from the point of view of social justice .... the system of government of the state is imprisoned in fulfillment of the privileges of the bureaucratic ban-apparatus and the rich. All again rests against the redneck and theft of those who believe, distributes. In fact owns this country!
Working people, do not believe !!! They will divorce you again, they will leave you with nothing!

[Mr Credo]

How to consider a certain experience? Subtract weekends, holidays, sick leave and leave, and this will turn out a certain experience. All for garlic! Working hours are clearly fixed. And this is not the limit. You can take into account the number of hours worked (lunch and toilet are not considered working hours!). You can proceed from the money you have earned over your entire life. It will also be fun if your salary of 40 years was the minimum wage. Why do you need a big pension if you had a minimum wage?

[Koshak]

And if part-time, then consider how double experience? Interesting ...

[den3080]

At the same time, if there is a shortage of seniority, it should be possible to “buy” him in order to be able to retire ahead of schedule

I liked this one. Purely in a patsansky style, I bought and poked everyone in the face with a crust of a pensioner !! Bravo.
Mr. Titov would like to advise: go about your business, that is, pulling out businessmen from behind a hill, well, or from Kitsch and do not meddle in the affairs of ordinary people.

“And what about Titov?” - He offers "to buy experience"
Mare Baghdasaryan should have retired. Dad let him think.

[Yura]

Quote: koksalek

still need to abolish half of the deputies so as not to generate any nonsense in order to justify their "activities"

And without any severance pay or pensions.

[uav80]

I completely agree...

[Oml]

[quot] In this case, there should be an opportunity, with a shortage of experience, to “buy” him, in order to be able to retire ahead of schedule. [/ quote]

And to deprive them of all billions and let him buy his own pension for 10-15 thousand rubles!

[Gray brother]

Fill his face.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Gray Brother

Fill his face.

he was already called an "ombudsman" ... is this something like a homosexual? not?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

he was already called an "ombudsman" ... is this something like a homosexual? not?

No, it means that he lives well and pretends to protect the plebs.

[Strashila]

"the ombudsman suggests making pension accounts the property of citizens, not the state." ... it doesn’t matter who owns the property, the idea of ​​preserving these funds is important ... where and how to keep them in our unstable economically state ... over the past decades once they depreciated among the bulk of the population living on rubles and storing money on the territory of Russia ... in the beginning it is required to ensure their safety and integrity by devaluing ... otherwise, over decades of storage under such a system, they turn into nothing, enriching only those who they orders.

[Mr Credo]

Make it the property of citizens !? Is it like saving all my life !? And he did not hear anything about inflation? So you save up for yourself, save up and suddenly it turns out that you saved yourself only one loaf of bread! Fun? How to be May ask a question to the government? Why, with such an effective system and leadership, do our prices not stand still and do not even fall? Well? Why? After all, the system is highly efficient, leadership too! So why then inflation? Where and what is the effectiveness?

[uskrabut]

Quote: Strashila

important idea of ​​the safety of these funds ...

You won’t save them until the swindler is in power.

[Altona]

Well, such an offer is at least something to stupidly raise the age ceiling. One can still agree with this, but not with the retirement age, which may exceed the biological age of half of the population.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Altona

Well, such an offer is at least something to stupidly raise the age ceiling.

And then to increase the minimum length of service, and those who decided that they had already worked out for retirement will fly in full.

[prapor55]

Quote: Altona

Well, such an offer is at least something to stupidly raise the age ceiling. One can still agree with this, but not with the retirement age, which may exceed the biological age of half of the population.

Yes, there is a reasonable grain in this proposal. And you can, for example, increase the seniority by harmfulness on the second list, I think 12,5 years is not enough for retirement due to harmfulness. 15 by harmfulness and a total of not less than 30 and believe me, 2-3 million will go to finalize, and for the remaining 3-4 years let the Guarantor think how to ensure the great breakthrough of the country.

[Mr Credo]

Heh heh! Naive guys! They blow our ears, gasoline is more expensive there, they retire later! And how is the salary of officials different from the salary of a worker? What interest do they give money there? If we began to compare the retirement age, let's compare other parameters. How much tax do the rich pay there? Did not hear, do not know? And then let's introduce such a tax! Why not?

[yehat]

this proposal removes one acute problem, replacing the other two, no less acute.
"accumulate experience", ideally, everything is simple, but in reality? Some particularly harmful deputy with a coefficient of 3+ will earn his experience in 10 years (well, or the ensign will serve 10 years in a warehouse), and a teacher or a trackman in 40+, because no one will bother to think about its coefficient. As a result, a mass of perverse inequalities will be created, which will make the general accumulation in the pension fund senseless, because some will parasitize on others.

[ANCIENT]

In our bureaucrats, this will warm up your hands! !! In the country, this really will begin — we see, by and large, pensioners from crime with an experience of 100 years or more, with a maximum of 60 years of age !!!

[gukoyan]

I wonder how long people will endure this mockery.

[Old military officer]

Fine!!! It is also necessary to abolish the concepts of seniority, the duration of the working day and working week, and everything will be tip-top. Ai da Titov, aye, a joker! No wonder his nickname is some obscene.

[Opera]

This is a discussion of the issue and it’s good. The offer is interesting.

[3vs]

What does he smoke, “buy” ?!

According to the mind, there should be two options for pension calculations - the new one, for those who enter into working life, say, starting to work with the 2030 of the year, it makes no sense before, with the existing scoundrel government, to make a competent option for pension accruals, which will work for many years, doesn’t perhaps the second option for everyone else.
And you need to dance from the minimum wage, which is not taken with any taxes and deductions, from it the social pension is calculated, the minimum part of the pension is the same for everyone who is hit by 55 / 60, and all taxes and deductions should be taken from amounts exceeding the minimum salary, with a flat scale, it will be fair.
The calculation will be easier, the minimum wage has changed, all calculations have automatically changed.

[Gray brother]

Quote: 3vs

What does he smoke, “buy” ?!

Yes, he fully cited what was done in Ukraine now - they messed up a minimum of 25 years of experience, who did not work - hell will receive instead of a pension and "buy" is also present, and for absolutely horse money.
There, everyone who goes abroad to earn money flew through it.

[prapor55]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: 3vs

What does he smoke, “buy” ?!

Yes, he fully cited what was done in Ukraine now - they messed up a minimum of 25 years of experience, who did not work - hell will receive instead of a pension and "buy" is also present, and for absolutely horse money.
There, everyone who goes abroad to earn money flew through it.

And do not tell me how much total working experience do you have at the moment? 25 years is the minimum that was in the USSR.

[Gray brother]

Quote: prapor55

And do not tell me how much total working experience do you have at the moment?

15 years. I am forty years old at the same time.

[prapor55]

10 more you can not? I have 22 purely working ones; he is harmful on the list 2 was supposed to retire after 7 years. But in view of the speed of decision-making, I think it will not work.

[Gray brother]

Quote: prapor55

10 more you can not?

I do not know. Everything happens in life.

[gukoyan]

"Titov: The concept of" retirement age "must be removed"

He probably wanted to add, remove as the age itself?
The parasites ... So that 60 year old grandmothers, well, women for an hour of 65 years ...

[Mr Credo]

Yeah! So let him fulfill the TRP standards for 20-year-olds! And what? No difference! Or is there a difference? Let him conduct a test of attentiveness and endurance! And then he will tell how he easily paid 20-year-olds! We are waiting with!

[gukoyan]

The most interesting thing is how it all ends.

[Altona]

Quote: Gray Brother

And then to increase the minimum length of service, and those who decided that they had already worked out for retirement will fly in full.

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This is not, it is already necessary to discuss and fix. The minimum experience should be 18 years, the maximum-25-30, in hazardous industries, respectively 10 and 15. Experience is not a thing from the bulldozer, but a medical factor.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Altona

This is not, it is already necessary to discuss and fix. Minimum length of service must be 18 years,

Since he completely torn the Ukrainian concept (and their minimum wage should be 35 years old by 2028), no "need to discuss" is expected.
EP, there, did not much discuss the increase in age - the buttons were pressed and the amb. Although they could scratch their turnips on the topic "and where people over 50 will get a job and who will take them."

[edeligor]

And I propose to remove Titov. The concept - "business ombudsman Boris Titov" seems to me wrong. Essentially, many will find this wild, and for me, the expression of this individual is wild. I don’t like this frantic round dance around pensions - what did you decide to rob the most defenseless of? To get started, create enough jobs, not in Moscow, but throughout Russia, introduce a progressive tax, and only after .... can Titov croak about his future career !!!

[Mr Credo]

Interesting! And how will the issue of employment by age be decided? Admission to work is up to 35, maximum 45. For work you are old, retired young! Will there be a job guarantee? Then the question arises of labor intensity. Will the older generation work intensively for 12-16 hours a day, 7 days a week? After all, we already had a smooth transition to the shift method (where the work is 12 hours automatically. Although you can write 10 and 11 hours of work with lunch in the time sheet. Plus there are wonderful schedules 7 through 7. The same shift, but a week later a week plus additional work after work!). If, taking into account scientific technological progress, reduce the working time to 5-6 hours, then it is possible and possible to work up to 70. But the working time is not decreasing, but growing! How do modern technologies increase labor productivity and working time? Theoretically, working hours should be reduced, and wages should increase! Manually you take 10 bags and you can keep one pensioner. With mechanization, you will take 100 bags and will be able to support 10 pensioners and get a big salary! But this does not happen! Why?

[Strashila]

“Manually, you will take 10 bags and you can keep one pensioner. With mechanization you will take 100 bags and you can keep 10 pensioners and get a big salary! But this does not happen! Why?” ... because there will not be 10 pensioners assuming that you have to pay unemployment benefits 9 workable when it grows not 9 times, but a maximum of 2 times ... mechanization is now, working conditions have improved, hence only 2 pensioners to those 9 unemployed ... with additional costs for the notorious mechanization, given that we actually do not have our own production, the money will go abroad, where they will feed the pensioners there ... and it is not known what is more profitable for the state from an economic point of view. And the received margin difference will be stolen by the owner and withdrawn abroad ... where pensioners from there will be fed from it.

[Altona]

Quote: edeligor

And I propose to remove Titov. The concept - "business ombudsman Boris Titov" seems to me wrong.

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In general, the concept of "ombudsman" suggests that the rights of a number of social groups are not respected and they need some kind of separate representative for protection. That is, our state is not legal and there is no law in it.

[prapor55]

Quote: Altona

Quote: edeligor

And I propose to remove Titov. The concept - "business ombudsman Boris Titov" seems to me wrong.

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In general, the concept of "ombudsman" suggests that the rights of a number of social groups are not respected and they need some kind of separate representative for protection. That is, our state is not legal and there is no law in it.

DAAA and the head of state are people with a legal education, is it a dream of reason?

[Vard]

It seems that at the top it became an obsession ... as if to lime new old Russians ... And so they try and so on ... And why are they tormented ... We are like cockroaches, we will survive all ...

[Mountain shooter]

Everything is better than the current proposal of the Medvedev government ...

[sgr291158]

But isn’t it easier to leave everything as it was, and not to disturb the people.

[Alexander Ra]

The state today does not have a goal, is not capable, does not take responsibility for providing employment to all. A third of the population is unemployed. In the "real sector" work 20-25% of the population. Targeting 70% of employment in the service sector is disastrous for the economy. In this situation, the desire of the business “to refuse to grant a pension to achieve the“ retirement age ”” is to tighten the screws in coercion to hire on any terms.

[olimpiada15]

“Focusing on 70% of employment in the service sector is detrimental to the economy” is a very correct idea. I understand that a hairdresser has a haircut is a service, he really did a useful job. But such activities, from which there is a lot of harm, are classified as services. Take advertising: 99% is not a service, causing harm. 1% is real advertising, and the rest is deception, NLP, but this is an expensive business, they do not produce anything, but consume real products. Two motives are hidden behind the advertising of drugs: the rise in price of drugs, the infliction of harm to health. Advertising should be prohibited, except for the one that is really engaged in the promotion of goods and services. Here I am angry at the advertising of diapers that are needed by small children in large quantities, at this time someone in the family is not working, i.e. income is halved, and manufacturers come up with ways to rise in price, well, is it not meanness? The advertising market should become civilized, and everything else should be removed. Civilized is a thematic advertising blocks: construction, recreation, childcare, sick. Believe me, people will be willing to watch and those who are interested in this topic, and those who want to know more, instead of under the pretext of "not responsible" to arrange the twisting of the brain. Ultimately for harming the imposed false information.
In short, real GDP is no more than 50% of official figures.

[Alexander Ra]

To this list: banking, intermediary trade, artificial needs - luxury, pleasure industry, foreign tourism, show business, fashion, elite sports and art, refined and harmful food products, artificial professions of private security guards, realtors, collectors, etc. .p .. As a result - the spread of parasitism, a decrease in the vitality of the population, a predatory attitude to nature and an unhealthy environment. S. Lem: “Modern Civilization: Exchange of Values ​​for Convenience.”

[Altona]

Quote: Gray Brother

EP, there, did not much discuss the increase in age - the buttons were pressed and the amb. Although they could scratch their turnips on the topic "and where people over 50 will get a job and who will take them."

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Well, if you engage in arbitrariness, what they are doing now, then you can sculpt any numbers from the bulldozer. Type did not live well, nefig and start, and we need more money than any serfs. They there at the top generally divorced from reality and do not understand how people live and even survive.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Altona

They there at the top generally divorced from reality and do not understand how people live and even survive.

What infuriates me most is that because of their monograms, I cannot plan my life. In general, I wanted to stop working at the age of 55, and now I'm not sure what will happen.

[Altona]

Quote: sgr291158

But isn’t it easier to leave everything as it was, and not to disturb the people.

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On the other hand, it’s good that people are waking up. Our generation will die, our children and grandchildren will be made slaves.

[prapor55]

On the other hand, it’s good that people are waking up.
Yes, young people began to think, but the truth is the general message is "we don’t have a pension, that means a salary in an envelope." This is all from personal conversations with people from 22 to 26 years old.

[Egg]

Quote: prapor55

the pension doesn’t shine for us, that means a salary in an envelope. "

yes, only contributions to the FIU are not added to the salary in the envelope, they stupidly remain with the employer. He is just happy from this

[prapor55]

This is simply the opinion of young people in the light of current government policies.

[bald]

Like this paper Russian pensioners
did not see - stupid.

[HMR333]

what a smart! it’s elementary not to recruit so many migrant workers who are simply illegal to drive out and workers will immediately appear!

[Guru]

Another wise guy.
A person who has earned a pension in the USSR should receive it from the budget, because The Russian Federation, as the rightful successor of the USSR, has taken upon itself all the debts of the USSR to external players, but its tail is wagging its own people. And do not say that we (as citizens) should feed someone. Question one - "Where is the money Zin." EVERYONE EARNS ITS PENSION FOR ITSELF, and not for someone, but for myself.

[Boris55]

Titov previously proposed the abolition of the Pension Fund

And I'm for. The best pension fund is our children, and the more of them, the better for both us and the children.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Boris55

Titov previously proposed the abolition of the Pension Fund

And I'm for. The best pension fund is our children, and the more of them, the better for both us and the children.

And I'm for, men, quit your job, we went to do the real thing, plan the pinocchio, you pah, have children. Well, why, we’ll start 10-15, and that's all, they solved the problem. Is it difficult to feed, dress, train in the current conditions? So citizen Boris55 (Boris) writes nothing about this, there is no such task. The task is posed directly and simply, spawned "gypsies" more, that’s happiness. If what went wrong with them, you want these "wash", you want new "do it". But most importantly, the state was helped to get rid of the pension problem. Oh, by the way, we can probably help citizen Boris55 (Boris). Purely from altruism, we are. Well, in the sense of "pinocchio planing," if you suddenly can’t master it or there will be laziness, how much is needed there? Maybe after that one of the many children will explain to him that having children is not a solution to the difficulties. That’s what they say “bring to people”, which in the current conditions is definitely becoming a problem. (in connection with the expected increase in unemployment, well, and a further drop in income). But what about citizen Boris55 (Boris)? But nothing, he is in a helmet, he does not care. Stupidity said in the morning and glad. The main thing is not against the government.

[Boris55]

Quote: Leshy1975

Stupidity said in the morning and glad.

So to speak. In China there are about a billion such fools. To what in the long run the availability of pensions leads, we can observe in Europe - Europe is dying out. We also do not want to breed and our place on the territory of Russia is gradually occupied by other nations.
By receiving an individual pension, we become individualists. We are no longer dependent on our children, but they are on us, and we didn’t trust our uncles, who by and large do not give a damn about us, for the bot about ourselves in old age.
In general, you can write a lot and for a long time, but in order to return the cult of the family, the original unit of society, it will have to be done. It is clear that it will be impossible to immediately abandon pensions - this is not a single generation process. But if we want to survive, we will have to do it.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Leshy1975

Stupidity said in the morning and glad.

So to speak. In China there are about a billion such fools. To what in the long run the availability of pensions leads, we can observe in Europe - Europe is dying out. We also do not want to breed and our place on the territory of Russia is gradually occupied by other nations.
By receiving an individual pension, we become individualists. We are no longer dependent on our children, but they are on us, and we didn’t trust our uncles, who by and large do not give a damn about us, for the bot about ourselves in old age.
In general, you can write a lot and for a long time, but in order to return the cult of the family, the original unit of society, it will have to be done. It is clear that it will be impossible to immediately abandon pensions - this is not a single generation process. But if we want to survive, we will have to do it.

Well, how are you (i.e. not only you personally) fed up with the old manuals on China: (source
www.mirkitaja.ru

"For employees of state enterprises, budgetary institutions and party bodies, the following resolutions apply:

Employees with cumulative work experience in the above organizations for more than 10 years may retire after reaching the age of 60/55 years;
For men and women working in enterprises hazardous to health or engaged in heavy manual labor, retirement is available as early as 55/45 years, subject to 10 years of work experience, as well as providing a certificate of loss of health or disability.

As for non-state sector workers, for example, individual industrial, agricultural and commercial enterprises in cities and villages, contracted employees or various other flexible employment methods retire at the age of 60/55, as well as civil servants, if their labor not considered harmful to health; in the latter case, they may retire earlier. Employees will receive basic retirement benefits provided that they have made accumulative contributions to their retirement account on a monthly basis for 15 years. "

Further, WHY do we need such a state, whose entire function is reduced ONLY to collecting taxes from US? Why only? Yes, because to remind how many social. guarantees “optimized”, made paid and continue to go further in this direction. And even such a thing, previously familiar (under the USSR), like driving around the country on a highway, becomes places of paid luxury: (source of Vedomosti 2015):
"Russian toll roads turned out to be the most expensive in Europe. Rates for a number of toll roads are higher than European, while the length of such roads in the Russian Federation is much lower. Vedomosti reports referring to a study by the NEO Center consulting group.

The largest network of toll roads in Europe is located in France, its length is about 9000 km. On average, for a passenger car, the fare in terms of rubles is from 3,8 to 7,57 rubles / km (0,05 - 0,1 euro / km). A comparable fare has been established on toll roads in Italy. For example, a trip along one of the longest routes from Bologna to Taranto with a length of about 780 km will cost 3936 rubles or 5 rubles / km. And on average, the maximum prices for travel on similar roads in Europe are 8-12 rubles per kilometer. "
Further about children. If the family feels and feels the instability of its situation, and does not see prospects, then in the current conditions the birth rate will be low. Society has changed. Dot. But the most important question, please answer:
Why do we need such a state?

[Boris55]

Quote: Leshy1975

Why do we need such a state?

What we have chosen is what we have.

Quote: Leshy1975

WHY do we need such a state, whose entire function is reduced only to collecting taxes from us?

So I propose that the state be deprived of such a feeder as a pension fund, due to which those who do not produce anything during their entire lives (who simply don’t have enough time) live, but you don’t like it.
Putin’s May Decrees set forth real directions for the development of the country.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Leshy1975

Why do we need such a state?

What we have chosen is what we have.

Quote: Leshy1975

WHY do we need such a state, whose entire function is reduced only to collecting taxes from us?

So I propose that the state be deprived of such a feeder as a pension fund, due to which those who do not produce anything during their entire lives (who simply don’t have enough time) live, but you don’t like it.
Putin’s May Decrees set forth real directions for the development of the country.

If this humor is this: "In the May Decrees of Putin, real directions are expressed for the development of the country." it means that in the morning I was wearing a helmet and did not understand him. If this is serious, then the real direction, not only the development of the country, but the movement in the future. they are not reflected in Putin’s May Fantasies, but in the laws currently being proposed and adopted. And yet, about solving problems in the pension issue. The pension issue is part of the economy. Without the development of the economy, it is impossible to solve a pension separately. So maybe it’s enough, as in that brothel, to rearrange the beds? Those. try to solve different problems without affecting systemic problems. One of the definitions of a system: A system is a collection of elements that form a unity in the performance of a specific task. What is the system in the current state? The entire current "elite" is the system. They have one common task, based on the real results of the activities of the "elite" - personal enrichment, personal enrichment and, once again, personal enrichment. Therefore, until we change the system, i.e. "elite", nor any attempts to resolve private issues, will be successful. Yes, and the pension issue is also private. Because, the task of further enrichment, including by taking money from the population, the current elite will decide in any case. And whether it will be in the form of raising pence. age, stupidly raising taxes or reducing the level of salaries and other payments, it does not matter. The result will be further impoverishment of the population, covered by the pseudo-patriotic slogans "Homeland in danger" and a further increase in the capital of the "elite". Why pseudo-patriotic? Because the current "elite", led by GDP, has nothing to do with patriotism, and even more so, it fits one of the definitions of ENEMY - 1). A person who caused significant material or moral damage, to which there was a pronounced negative, usually long-term, attitude. And the fact that the current “elite” itself is the source of danger for the Motherland (incompetence, greed, theft, betrayal - these are the sources of such danger), there is no doubt, as well as the fact that they themselves do not consider them to be. What is even worse, since there is no chance of a voluntary and peaceful correction of errors.

[Boris55]

Quote: Leshy1975

If this is serious, then the real directions ... ... are not reflected in Putin’s May Fantasies, but in the laws proposed and adopted now.

Putin, according to 80-st. Constitution, defines the general direction. Specifies their Medvedev government in the preparation of the country's budget. How much the decrees will be funded and what laws the Medvedev Duma will be adopted to implement them, how much they will be implemented.

Quote: Leshy1975

the current "elite", led by GDP, has nothing to do with patriotism, and even more so, it fits one of the definitions of the ENEMY

That is, in your GDP-the enemy of the people? Excuse me, did Putin choose the same bourgeois Duma?

Quote: Leshy1975

And the fact that the current "elite" is the source of danger for the motherland

Until we learn how to manage our elite, that is how it will be.

[Revival]

Summarize: Putin supported edro shared his authority with them, taught to vote for them. We express their unequivocal support for words with deeds. Aloud! And then, according to your claims, they were reborn and he moved away from them since 2012.
So here is something I didn’t hear from him the words of deeds and TD OUTSIDE! That they are no longer with him!
So loudly supported and quietly quietly quietly hinted like he pulled back ...
We must answer as loudly as I supported! So that people clearly understand that the president does not support edro!
It is necessary to answer for what turns out to be supported not by those who gave them how to fool themselves, they were reborn!
Where!?

[Leshy1975]

1)

Quote: Boris55

Putin, according to 80-st. Constitution, defines the general direction. Specifies their Medvedev government in the preparation of the country's budget. How much the decrees will be funded and what laws the Medvedev Duma will be adopted to implement them, how much they will be implemented.

Do you have a training manual for two with Golovan Jack? Or in its copy? Exactly this stupidity he pushed a month and a half ago. I have not yet agreed that the president is an outside observer. Well, so that you would not broadcast this stupidity, with Medvedev's specifics and content. If Putin, in your opinion, does not agree, then urgently tell him, otherwise he has been president for so many years and is not in the know:
Based on p. "B" of Art. 83 of the Constitution, the President of the Russian Federation “has the right preside at meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation". According to established practice, the President uses this authority very rarely, although meetings of the Government are held, as a rule, weekly. The right of the President to chair government meetings is inherent in all presidential republics, where the head of state leads the executive branch and directs the government directly. However, in republics with mixed forms of government (and Russia and France are traditionally referred to them), the picture is changing significantly. For example, the President of France has such a right, however, in a certain political situation, the prime minister plays a decisive role in leading the Government, who has to "share" his power with the President. Russian practice, unlike French practice, excludes a different political course of the President and the Government. For the Government of the Russian Federation, the instructions of the head of state are a guide to action.

The close relationship between the President and the Government of the Russian Federation is also confirmed by the fact that the President, by virtue of paragraph "d" of Art. 83 of the Constitution appoints and dismisses deputy prime ministers and federal ministers.
Urgently call Putin, he has powers and opportunities.
2)

Quote: Boris55

That is, in your GDP-the enemy of the people? Excuse me, did Putin choose the same bourgeois Duma?

Of course the enemy. But this is not my way, you yourself read the definition of the word enemy and came to this conclusion, right? If you still hope that he is a patriot, here is the definition of the word Patriot - "A man devoted to his people, loving his fatherland, ready for sacrifices and making feats in the name of the interests of his homeland." Just don’t try to pull the owl on the globe, otherwise I will quickly give out a list of other such “patriots” from his team, and in whose interests he works.
Regarding the Duma, of course he was not the only one to choose. But his great merit in this is. On the posters of the main Duma party We eat Russia whose portrait is displayed? For what? And in order to associate it with him and hide behind his popularity (I will not deny it here, there is political blindness in society) to get votes. Maybe, in your opinion, he is against the EP? And recall this fact: on May 7, 2008, transferring presidential powers to Dmitry Medvedev, Vladimir Putin automatically assumed the duties of chairman of the United Russia party. The occupation of this highest party post did not require any additional procedures, for it was such a procedure that was determined by the decision of the IX congress of "United Russia", at which Vladimir Putin was elected chairman of the party on April 15, 2008. And also: “At the disposal of V. Putin,” as Svetlana Babayeva wrote in the “Profile” magazine, “there is a triad: party, government, parliament. And at the same time, he is provided with leadership not only in shaping the agenda, but also in its implementation. And calling mathematics to help, namely the rule that the sum does not change from the rearrangement of the places of the terms. So it is with Putin, which post he does not occupy now (it is clear that he likes the presidential most), EP is still his party. 3)

Quote: Boris55

Until we learn how to manage our elite, that is how it will be.

In principle, I am ready to agree, but only the present one still needs to be changed, the degeneration of the "elite" is very noticeable. This is already useless to manage. Therefore, I write in quotation marks, by position in society, they certainly occupy the place of the elite, but in essence, they are the most prominent, best representatives of some part of society. These have not been for a long time.

[Boris55]

Quote: Leshy1975

paragraph "b" of Art. 83 of the Constitution, the President of the Russian Federation “has the right

It’s like in a joke: - Do you have the right? - I have, - Can you?
Talking with the deaf is useless.

Quote: Leshy1975

The President by virtue of paragraph "d" of Art. 83 of the Constitution appoints and dismisses Deputy Prime Ministers and Federal Ministers.

Not certainly in that way. The text of the constitution is available to everyone. Therefore, there are no problems for citing it:
"... e) by the proposal "The Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation shall be appointed and dismissed by the Deputy Chairmen of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers ..."
And there will be no proposal from Medvedev and there will be no one to appoint

Quote: Leshy1975

Of course the enemy.

Another enemy:
- did not let Russia fall apart at the beginning of the century.
- fed people, ensured that the budget was filled with money.
- provided food and military security.
- goes away from a complete dependence on the dollar.
And in fact: What an insolence! How dare he !!!

Quote: Leshy1975

This is already useless to manage

We have no other elite. It is necessary to educate the one that is.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Boris55

And there will be no proposal from Medvedev and there will be no one to appoint laughing

Then he will remove everyone with one list together with Medvedev:
"The constitution does not provide for the dismissal by the president of only one prime minister; the president decides to resign the entire government
The Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation is relieved of his duties by the President of the Russian Federation (Article 7 of the Law “On the Government of the Russian Federation” [1]), which at the same time entails the resignation of the entire Government:
on his own application for resignation;
if it is impossible for the chairman of the government to fulfill his powers (what exactly is impossible, the law does not specify, leaving the president with the possibility of interpretation).

Quote: Boris55

Another enemy:
- did not let Russia fall apart at the beginning of the century.
- fed people, ensured that the budget was filled with money.
- provided food and military security.
- goes away from a complete dependence on the dollar.
And in fact: What an insolence! How dare he !!! laughing

Zaputinsky slogans with manuals on success is good, it's fun and funny in places. Can you give numbers, macro-indicators to confirm the "successes" and "beneficence" of the people? About the prod. Safety try especially. You are welcome.

Quote: Boris55

We have no other elite. It is necessary to educate the one that is.

If a person has a mental illness, for example, kleptomania, i.e. he drags it into his pocket, which is bad or even hidden. Go fix the upbringing. Change, that will be different. This one came from somewhere. Why did they cling to the current ones, or do they promise a place in the ranks of the "elite"?

[Boris55]

Putin can disperse both the Duma and the government. Create a crisis of power and tear the country apart. The West has learned the lessons of Crimea very well.

Quote: Leshy1975

Zaputin slogans

Can you refute the existence of the Khasavyurt agreements that triggered the collapse of Russia?
Can you refute Sakhalin-1,2?
Can you refute that Russia sells grain and meat?
Can you refute the creation of a development bank, which was created by the BRICS member countries as opposed to the IMF?

Quote: Leshy1975

Change, that will be different.

Change? On whom? This elite hides management knowledge, so it manages to parasitize on us.
To bring up a new one - it will take time and not the fact that it will not become the same. The experience of such a rebirth was observed during the USSR ... And for now, we will cultivate what remains of Russia - Moscow Region?

[Revival]

In your words, unrealistic, since the president is currently = declarant of good wishes.
But the real power is a malicious thought and the bears, who send it with impunity and laugh.
And he can’t do anything

[New Year day]

Can Titov do it? Dangles like a well-known substrate in the hole

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Silvestr

Can Titov do it? Dangles like a well-known substrate in the hole

Sylvester, well, you understand very well that exactly ZERO depends on Titov. While the main “Titov” is not abolished, the rest of the “Titovs” will remain so, talking nonsense. Not this one so different, or all together.

[rotmistr60]

ombudsman

Advocates of the rights of all and sundry divorced like dogs in the trash. And all are so smart, correct and in white. It’s good to argue when, taking advantage of the situation in the 90s, he got rich, and then he settled down under the barrels of power. Then they wonder why their people do not just not love, but hate.

[Mentat]

Srendil Titov or specifically voices the "unacceptable proposal" to create progress towards increasing pressure on the pension system.
Why do it now, to increase the degree even more, it's hard to say. One can even assume that Titov specifically pumps. What does he have ... ties with the Chinese, pushing the reform in essence towards rejecting pensions according to the Chinese model. But in Russia, it is inefficient from the word in general. Where he climbs with such "ingenious offers" is unknown.

[Gray brother]

Quote: prapor55

25 years is the minimum that was in the USSR.

It was impossible to become unemployed in the USSR.

[Boris55]

Quote: Gray Brother

It was impossible to become unemployed in the USSR.

Moreover, there was an article for parasitism (up to a year in prison). Do not work for more than three months - clean the snow before Siberia. You do not want to work without a convoy, you will work under escort. But you will work. The most cunning - went into art

[Gray brother]

Quote: Boris55

The most cunning - went into art

The most cunning were simply registered in the state, and the chief received a salary for them.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Mister Creed

Well? Why? After all, the system is highly efficient, leadership too! So why then inflation? Where and what is the effectiveness?

What to ask. Still know the answer, or not all? For those who don’t know, the effectiveness of Putin’s leadership looks like this:
(source 24newsru.com) "Russian billionaires continue to grow rich. Their combined wealth over the past six months has grown by $ 13,9 billion, exceeding $ 250 billion. This conclusion can be drawn from the updated Bloomberg Billionaires Index (BBI)."

Rest? The rest of the bolt, but thicker, we are not friends of the GDP. Until he and his friends, we ourselves will not write out the bolt, it will be so.

[Monster_Fat]

But what, to trifle and to come up with all kinds of excuses, you just need to take and generally eliminate the very concept of "pension" - a person in Russia must take care of his old age himself, not hoping for a state, the state has so many "problems": Sanctions, import substitution , Crimea, Syria, the government of Medvedev, "a quadrographic angle from the quinence of left-centrism" and other "important things." As your "guarantor" said: "of course there are citizens in the country who, being in certain places or through their entrepreneurial activity, bring much benefit to the country, much more than the rest, therefore the interests of these people are of primary importance to the state ..." Actually , now the strategy of the Russian leadership is clearly visible: there are some who are chosen, without whom there are no other Russians who are like consumables: they serve poorly and work poorly for the chosen category — it doesn’t matter — even let them die at work or without After all, they won’t have to pay anything to the state, there they will receive pensions or unemployment or health benefits — let everyone die — we will bring Gaster for pennies from Churkestans or from Asia, and we will hire managers in the west for good money. Yes, aa, the "good" future awaits the Russians.

[Altona]

Quote: Monster_Fat

As your "guarantor" said: "of course there are citizens in the country who, being in certain places or through their entrepreneurial activity, bring much benefit to the country, much more than the rest, therefore the interests of these people are of primary importance to the state ...

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And this is actually pure fascism when it is declared that there are more equal people in society. And what are the criteria for "good"? That is, a simple hard worker poking around at the “entrepreneur” and who creates this very surplus value for him is less valuable? I'm not sure.
PS By the way, here this week the 65-year-old grinder just got sick, his leg was swollen, he went to surgery. So much for the “retirement age,” and the “silver age,” and “physical activity.”

[Monster_Fat]

Well, everyone knows the Russian proverb: "grind with your tongue, these are not bags of flour to carry." You can sleep at meetings in the Duma and grab a secret for your ass, sitting at a mahogany table in a soft leather chair even after 65 years, but look at that age for ANY working or engineering profession .... I, here, already at "pre-retirement age" and despite, on the simulators of memory and body + vitamins, I began to become corny, forgetting some things that once, almost led to unpleasant consequences for others. Alas, an elderly person may even be dangerous in the workplace, I know, now, it’s on its own.

[Altona]

Quote: Leshy1975

What to ask. Still know the answer, or not all? For those who don’t know, the effectiveness of Putin’s leadership looks like this:
(source 24newsru.com) "Russian billionaires continue to grow rich. Their combined wealth over the past six months has grown by $ 13,9 billion, exceeding $ 250 billion. This conclusion can be drawn from the updated Bloomberg Billionaires Index (BBI)."

[Boris55]

Do not rush! Have not climbed yet.

[reservist]

already voted in the first reading ...

[igorbrsv]

That is, who worked hard all his life, for example, as a nurse or a cesspool worker, he was so blown away as he was. With an increase in the retirement age, the costs of unemployment benefits and legal validity will simply increase.

[demo]

Recall that earlier Titov proposed to abolish the Pension Fund of Russia because of its "bulkiness" and transfer its functions to the Federal Treasury.
It is right.
The staff of the Pension Fund of Russia is 121 670 people. The number of employees is followed by the Social Security Administration in the United States, where half the number of people is employed - 60 thousand. At the same time, the state population is more than two times the Russian population, and the amount of pension and social benefits is almost nine times more.
So that 1 percentage of parasites can be reduced, without prejudice to senior citizens?
Easily.
Titov suggests moving to a new pension scheme, when a pension is awarded according to the length of service a person has acquired.
And if a woman got married, and during 10 years gave birth to children without getting out of maternity leave, then how then?
And if a minister receiving a salary of 1.7 of a million rubles a month earns himself what pension, and a scientist who creates benefits for the country receives a salary of 30-40 thousand, then where is the rational?
In short.
Titov needs to do his own thing. But thinking is not his profile.

[bk316]

And if a woman got married, and during 10 years gave birth to children without getting out of maternity leave, then how then?

And then the experience goes to her (by the way, as it is now), and the state makes savings for this period.

And if a minister receiving a salary of 1.7 of a million rubles a month earns himself what pension, and a scientist who creates benefits for the country receives a salary of 30-40 thousand, then where is the rational?

And this is not a question of pension reform, it is not necessary to establish such salaries.


Just think a little and you won’t have to write so many questions, the answers to which are obvious.

But thinking is not his profile.

So to think this does not seem to be your profile.

[demo]

Buddy Are you, by the way, not an assistant to Titov?
Ali referent?
Or maybe you are his lawyer?
Or do you know well?
What are you so passionately defending him?
Short.
A pension in the USSR (and later in the Russian Federation) is not so much an opportunity to buy something for it or make for yourself as an opportunity to help your children and grandchildren.
If you are young, then you are five difficult. And if you are aged, then your misunderstanding is strange.
To intervene in the reform of one of the pillars of the social arrangement of our society is to put a knife to the throat of the TOTAL population. With unpredictable, but supposed negative, up to fatal consequences.
And that was exactly what had to be left untouched for as long as possible.
Yes, and the reform itself is possible only by changing the national policy.
But not at the expense of the population and pensioners.
Carefully, several times read what Medvedev’s gang offers.
And then calmly put yourself in the place of a pensioner.
And then you should discover "the whole sky is in oranges."
God give you health. And up to 100 years old. After which you will retire. But being still capable you can continue to work.

[jncnfdybr]

Well, sitting in a soft chair, you can go blurt. And this uncle himself in his life, what did he lift a thread heavier than a fountain pen? (A glass of vodka doesn’t count).)))

[bk316]

Judging by your profile picture you are a follower of the Bolsheviks.
This is how I am interested in you.
Did Lenin lift anything heavier than an inflatable log?

[jncnfdybr]

Perhaps he did. I did not live at that time. And now I see everything. And judging by my profile picture, I was born under this flag. Yes, and I’ve been a pensioner for a long time.)))

[syndicalist]

Quote: Mister Creed

Here in the LDNR at the beginning there were national leaders

Piss yourself! There is still a naive! Why now do not appear, and where did the former disappear?

[Altona]

Quote: Boris55

Do not rush! Have not climbed yet.

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Don’t slow down, they climbed with gasoline, excise taxes and VAT for a long time.

[Monster_Fat]

Well, comrade doesn’t really “slow down”; he is from a glorious cohort of believers in “a good, ignorant king, surrounded by evil, treacherous boyars” and in that “he’ll hear the petition from servants, he will read it, it’s kindled with righteous anger at the boyars and rejects the law that the people hate the low people ".... I am generally surprised by such people ... after all, it seems, they’re sound in their minds, but you’re so, really, naive ... really" life hasn’t taught them anything. "

[bk316]

Again, instead of discussing a specific interesting proposal (albeit a controversial one), pictures from a demotivator, slogans and transitions to personalities.
Bored girls .....
became on IN .....

[rocket757]

The position of the majority of citizens is changing, from the fact that it was not clear to whom to believe, to the fact that no one can be trusted.
A critical mass is gaining, and then either general indifference. or bubbling with an unpredictable result ....... at the rules it should be so, in our case, you will understand in general what awaits us ahead.

[Hiller]

And if there are no jobs, then where will the experience come from ??? Or all the wipers with soy broom and sticking ads on posts with their own glue ??? Do not put the cart in front of the horse or confuse cause and effect. And the FIU must definitely be reformed or delegated. Snickering at all.

[Altona]

Quote: bk316

Again, instead of discussing a specific interesting proposal (albeit a controversial one), pictures from a demotivator, slogans and transitions to personalities.

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By the way, about the pictures. Here is a picture of true folk love for our media personalities.

[pafegosoff]

Somehow I remembered the people's commissars, regional committees, ancestors and other comas ... They will eat, feed, and then - to Kolyma or to the wall. But every clever one is smarter than before.

[1536]

All the years after the collapse of the USSR, life in Russia resembles a "bad casino", where people came to play poker, they started, in the middle of the game they began to play "point", and in the end they play the usual "drunkard" (with a smooth transition to fool "), and the rules of the game change instantly at the request of one or more players, and all others must accept them unconditionally. Looking from the side (from abroad, for example) to such a pastime of Russian citizens, it’s not clear that this is not a casino at all, and everything happens according to the old Russian proverb immortalized by Kozma Prutkov in the 19th century: "If you read the inscription on the cage of an elephant: buffalo, do not believe your eyes."

[Leshy1975]

Boris55,
"Can you refute that Russia sells grain and meat?"
No, I can’t do it, everyone knows that in the country they trade in grain, meat, some with honor and conscience, but no, this is from a different line. Back to food safety. I can refute your citation in the form of a slogan without any numbers, NONSENSE about food safety created by Putin. Since I wrote this earlier, I’ll copy myself again:
“The proportion of foreign seeds used in Russia, depending on the agricultural crop, reaches 75%. To solve the problem, the state expects to build 2020 seed-breeding centers by 148. However, last year no money was allocated to support this direction, although investors starting projects are waiting subsidies
Agroinvestor magazine
September 2016 "
For 2018, the situation is the same. I will explain the depth of the perfect in the heads and on TV. import substitution: Crops such as corn, beets, and sunflower have long been not varieties, but hybrids. I will not load details, but they give a crop ONCE, but high. And seeds need to be purchased every year. So, if suddenly we would have been blocked from supplying seeds (and technologies are also attached to them, in the form of pesticides, also imported), then the above crops can be safely deleted from those grown in our country. Only grain crops will remain, but without imported pesticides, as well as components for imported equipment, the yield will also be much smaller. "
You list what types of products, including stratigic ones like sugar, if this happens, will disappear from the shelves? Here it is Putin's food security. And about food safety, on the other hand, so to speak:
Palm oil purchases up 36% in Russia
According to the customs service, since the beginning of 2018, the import of palm oil in the Russian Federation has sharply increased. Import increased by 36% compared to the previous year.
Officials assure that the use of palm oil is a common practice for all countries.
The use of palm oil as an ingredient for the production of a wide range of food products is a worldwide trend and is due to its technological properties (natural semi-solid consistency, stability to oxidative damage, the absence of trans-isomers of fatty acids, etc.) during processing and storage, the Ministry of Agriculture said. .
As the consumer basket in the population is losing weight every year, manufacturers have to increasingly look for cheap substitutes and analogues. People are increasingly choosing goods not by composition but by price. This is what becomes the main deciding factor when buying.
Oil supplied to the Russian Federation cannot be called safe. It comes with a peroxide value greater than 5 units. According to European standards, only butter with a value of 0,5 units is suitable for food. With the number 2 - it goes only soap, with a value of 4 - for additives in varnishes, paints, grease.
According to our standard, palm oil with a value of up to 10 units is allowed to be added to food products! With the permission of officials, real palm oil is being brought to developed countries, and production waste is coming to us. But very cheap.
And this is also Putin's food "security."
Believe me, the rest of your slogans for Putin’s “successes” will have the same deplorable situation.
To summarize. As you can see, during the discussion with you, I give links to sources, I use publicly available figures for the argument. Which everyone can find, see, think and compare with the propaganda of the current government. You only operate with general phrases and slogans (usually repeating and already hackneyed). Now, if you, all this had been pushed to some foreigner, then maybe it would have rolled. But I live in the Russian Federation, and I know the situation and see what is called from the inside. And the variety of options for my answers exceeds the number of messages in support of the current government by an order of magnitude. Which have long been available on the Internet. (one of the dumbest, in my opinion, is the promise that GDP = Russia, and there will be no Putin, there will be no Russia).
So why am I doing this? Yes, I am campaigning against the current government, this is my conscious active position. My personal. And I sincerely thank you and those like you for allowing such discussions to show all the poverty and deceit of Putin’s government. Not a single rally could give an opportunity to convey its position to so many people at once. So, this is not for your sake, zaputintsev. This is for the sake of reading and thinking, and there are more and more of them. The Internet now has more power than any rally. Trump's example, remember how many people gathered for Hillary and the mass media for her, but he won. Thanks to the Internet. Our authorities also understand this all, hence the periodic attempts to bring the Internet under control, hence the Zaputin trolls with hackneyed cliches. But so far they have not come up with a way. But you haven’t come up with it yet, and while you are so awkwardly campaigning for the current government, you are the most useful people in changing the elite. Otherwise, asking yourself questions and answering them is boring, and you (Zaputins) arguments, as you think, are the most reinforced concrete. And to answer them, much more effectively, to return to reality the bulk of the population. This is all I need. I see that I'm not the only one on this site. So, this is an appeal to them. Friends, take the numbers "in hand" and reasonably show the whole false essence of Putin’s power. They are already so deceived that it is very simple to do. Not for our sake, they already understand, but for those who read and think, but still hesitant. The sooner we unite, the faster we will get out of Putin’s swamp. And I turn to both “red” (like me) and “white”. Patriotism has no color. Enough to share the Motherland, we have a common enemy, otherwise it may not remain with anyone soon.

[APASUS]

At the same time, if there is a shortage of experience, it should be possible to “buy” it,

I can imagine how some kids of rich uncles 20 years old will have 40 years of experience!
Well, where are the brains of these officials?

[vladimirvn]

Yes and no not to speak, black and white not to name. Pharisees!

[Sotskiy]

Do not wash so skating. Now here’s Titov’s head pushing the party line. The state of the Russian Federation signs social bankruptcy in relation to citizens, but at the same time should citizens “understand and forgive” and let this government experiment with themselves for a couple of decades? After all, “market transformations” were not brought to the end. Isn’t there a rush to adopt bundles of anti-people laws? The term then at the "roof" last went.
The "frantic printer" was raging and there was something to do with it, otherwise either the "donkey" would die, or the "padish".
By the way, I congratulate Muscovites on the construction of the Yeltsin Center now in Moscow. It was in Moscow that it was the place for him, as a reminder to those who defended "democracy and the market" on the barricades.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sovetskiy

By the way, I congratulate Muscovites on the construction of the Yeltsin Center now in Moscow

Although not a Muscovite, I visit Moscow 5 days a week.
Eltsin-centner, speak? Yes, and a bolt would be on him, you never know what they are building in Moscow ... if you don’t want to - don’t go, and all things

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Golovan Jack

if you don’t want, don’t go, and all things

Gee, gee!
Do not like raising the retirement age, VAT, increasing fuel prices, etc.? Do not want to - do not take it!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Quote: Golovan Jack

if you don’t want, don’t go, and all things

Gee, gee!
Do not like raising the retirement age, VAT, increasing fuel prices, etc.? Do not want to - do not take it!

Curve analogy.
You really can’t go to Eltsin Center.
The above you can’t get around.
Is it really incomprehensible? Or "pure spend"?

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Curve analogy

The curve is an analogy for you. A simple analytics of the initiated course of Yeltsin & Co just leads to such regularities.

Quote: Golovan Jack

You really can’t go to Eltsin Center.

In our region, on a private territory, one ghoul built a museum for the chieftain Krasnov. Who is Krasnov in the know? So what can Vlasov not build right away? After all, if you do not like it, you can also not walk.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Sovetskiy

Curve analogy for you

Not only. She is a pure math curve.

Quote: Sovetskiy

In our region in a private territory, one ghoul built a museum for the chieftain Krasnov

In private territory, he is free to build anything. If this does not contradict the legislation, essno.
Your right and your choice is to visit this, ahem, nativity scene, or not at all.
Your manner of pouring all kinds of things here on the fan ... Chernukha is well-known, do not work so hard ... you will overtake inadvertently, you will be sorry.
In the meantime, I don’t feel sorry for you even once. And this is good

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

The Ombudsman for Entrepreneurs, business ombudsman Boris Titov, proposed to refuse to grant a pension upon reaching the “retirement age”, and to appoint it when a person has worked a certain length of service
When a urka, from a youngster who was nibbled in zones, and heavier than he.ra holding nothing in his hands, claims to retire, because the deadline has passed, it also infuriates me somehow.

[Uruska]

Pension should be granted depending on the length of service. About like in the Army. I worked 1 year and decided to retire. Go on. Here is your pension - 100 rubles. I worked 30 years - get a pension 35 thousand (conditionally). Like this.