Indonesia introduced the "armored tank". Among future buyers Russia?

Indonesia will continue to develop the concept of "tankarmored boats "(Tank Boat) and already in 2019 new armored boats will be put into trial operation," Warspot "reports with a link to the portal navyrecognition.com. According to the Minister of Defense of Indonesia, Ramizard Ryakudu, the design of the boat was very successful and is already in demand in the world arms market.

It is noted that the first demonstration of the computer model X18 Tank Boat was held in 2015, and the production of the first prototype started in 2016. According to available information, the company North Sea Boats (PT Lundin), which manufactures armored boats, besides orders from its own army, allegedly has an “import” order from the UAE for as many as a hundred of such boats.

According to the developers, Х18 Tank Boat is planned to equip with a turret with a tank 105-mm gun Cockerill CT-CV 105HP with a maximum range of 10 km, as well as a remote-controlled turret with a machine gun to 20 mm or a gun to 30 mm.

The catamaran-type launch of 18 with a length of m and a width of 6,6 with a polymeric hull, with a weak bulletproof armor, providing protection against rifle weapons small and medium caliber. According to the technical documentation can reach a maximum speed of up to 40 nodes. The autonomy of navigation is 350 miles at speed in 30 nodes and up to 900 miles in patrol mode (at speed in 9 nodes). It has a small draft of 0,8 – 0,9 m. And is intended for operations on rivers and in the coastal zone of the seas. Accommodates up to 26 people, including 6 crew members.

According to the developers, at present a large number of countries have already lined up on the boat, wishing to see a “floating tank” as part of their armed forces. And according to Indonesia, among the future "exporting countries" allegedly "hemmed" and Russia.

Comments

[afrikanez]

Isn’t it easier to install rockets?

[Logall]

On the boat "Terminator" to "seat". There will be a boat support boat boats - "liquid terminator"!

[afrikanez]

The cutter is not "frail" will work.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

We have boats of the 03160 Raptor project in the Navy, you can also put a tower on them. The Swedes put it.

[maxim947]

Why would such a boat have such a caliber?)) It won’t roll over?)) Each vessel has its own mission and here they are obviously too sophisticated.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The Swedes know a lot about perversions. Heavy weapons version of the 2's 120 mm mortars. Ammunition 60 min, technical rate of fire 26 / min, practical 16 / min, vertical guidance angles from minus 5 to 85 degrees, firing range maximum 13 km, effective 5 km, UAM is possible, there is a machine gun of the caliber 7,62mm. In tests, the system confirmed its ability to fire up to 20 knots.

[bulvas]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

The Swedes know a lot about perversions. Heavy weapons version of 2 120 mm mortars.

These boats are like self-propelled guns, only for water, a convenient means of artillery support in places where the approach by water is more convenient than by land.

For rivers and bays, where there is no excitement - just right

Recall that our artillery boats (if I am not mistaken, Azov or Dnieper), flotillas participated in the assault on Berlin

[New Year day]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Heavy weapons version of 2 120 mm mortars. 60 min ammunition, technical rate of fire 26 rpm, practical 16 rpm

and what for the Swedes this accordion?

[yehat]

the Swedes have such self-propelled guns for rapid fire raids - just the same junk put on the water. I don’t think a mortar is a good idea for a boat. The range is too low and the firing position is open.

[faiver]

to play

[Mih1974]

Well, the mortar, at least wherever it went, they were originally "maybe we’ll get around gladly", there really is "to whom God sent", but tank weapons work according to a completely different scheme.

[san4es]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

The Swedes know a lot about perversions. Heavy weapons version of 2 120 mm mortars

... AMOS called. On their "Raptor" is put

The Swedish Navy initially planned to deploy these towers on CB90 ships, but the ship was too small. Instead, they began to build a larger ship - Combat Boat 2010, especially for placing AMOS on it. AMOS is manufactured and sold by the Finnish-Swedish joint venture Hagglunds Patria,
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[Evgeny Strygin]

wahhhh. Swedes burn pancake! Thank you - it’s strange that I missed such a sample, obviously.

[Mih1974]

And how these stupid people managed to realize gyro-stabilization on such a small tub ? For if I understand correctly, then the earth on the go is not so accurate, and this “scarlet” will make such a gun just a “scarecrow” because it will not be possible to achieve sane accuracy, especially at a distance of 10 km.

[yehat]

mortar to make accurate and without a stabilizer is not easy
moreover, the exact fire is being amended, and this is a fire raid system that takes in quantity. Therefore, they do not need a stabilizer.

[Mih1974]

I repeat once again - the mortar is a "random" gun from the word Avos, except for special rocket mines, everything else is calculated strictly according to the theory of probability "we will throw in quantity, let it hit." whereas tank shells work on a completely different principle, and there is also adjustment and adjustment, but excuse me in modern conditions if the enemy is “equipped” and no one will allow you to shoot at the tank - at once ATGM in the ogreboard. Also, a mortar is shooting from a closed position, while tank mortars are from a direct line of sight and therefore seven are substituted for the answer.

[yehat]

my grandfather was a mortar man - he would enlighten you)))
from a 120mm mortar it was possible to get directly into the trench (under good target designation conditions), and experienced mortar men spent 3 mines on this at the end of the war. and that was half a century ago. I think now mortars are no worse.

[vredlo]

Well, the experience is such, if for several years everyday practice then high accuracy has been ensured, but this does not cancel the low accuracy of the device itself (at the end of the service in the mortar battery, he served as a medical instructor and had a chance to shoot)

[Mih1974]

Forgive me, subject to my words and you don’t see that “from 3 mines get into the trench” - is that not random? Again - a trench and you are on the ground, no pitching (even with a stabilizer) and no drift. By the way, your grandfather must have achieved such "sniping" at an extremely short distance and after hell knows how many "attempts". That is, you want to oppose a specialist who fired a mortar every day for several years and not just one mine each and easily sucked (this boat) with xs what kind of excitement and windy situation? Do not tell me, just in such a collision I would have put on coastal artillery (or birds) because on the shore at least it doesn’t pump and after a rollback, there is less or less a return to the starting position.

[yehat]

it suits only fish and jamming crews.

[Borisovich]

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Quote: afrikanez

Isn’t it easier to install rockets?

Poplar, Yars ....... ??????????????

[Wedmak]

A dozen PU anti-tank systems with missiles of various types are quite enough.

[Borisovich]

And what then is the armored boat-танк?????? This is another song. ::

[poquello]

Quote: Borisovich

And what then is the armored boat-танк?????? This is another song. ::

yes the tower there is clearly superfluous, except perhaps from the rain

[For example]

Quote: poquello

except from the rain

And the trunk is a fishing rod. And fishing ....
And the Russian "lousy" in line are the fishermen.
Or it is for rides in the water park. After the shot, this tub should roll over and make a revolution around itself under water.
Sailors will not buy this crap.

[jjj]

Jihad boat or for pirates

[donavi49]

And the meaning? The basic concept that a gun benefits from any rocket is cheap OFSiki / Cast Iron.

The typical task is to go along the river and ensure the suppression of the enemy’s position / diversion of his forces. With a cannon - it's cheap and ordinary, but with ATGM how much do you push? Especially with the modern price of rockets.

Well, actually, it’s rather variable. This platform has a slot for a certain weight and recoil parameters. If you don’t like the gun, put the Kornetov’s bundles together, though you will have to pay extra for the development of the launch module.

[Wedmak]

the gun benefits from any rocket - cheap OFSiki / Cast Iron

I agree.

The typical task is to go along the river and ensure the suppression of the enemy’s position / diversion of his forces.

This is not a task for this boat. What is there to suppress, with one gun? No reservation? From 2,5-3 km? Just make some noise. An old Bumblebee will do more, there is a small MLRS. Although .. a dozen of these boats will do a hedgehog, mom do not worry.
In general, a controversial craft.

[sogdy]

Quote: Wedmak

In general, a controversial craft.

Looks like police tasks in the mangroves. Why do we need it?

[Sergey Kuzovkov]

Sea of ​​Azov

[yehat]

poplar as an accelerator will come in cheerfully)))

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Indonesia introduced the "armored tank". Among future buyers Russia?

I do not believe in it. and if so, the end is to us, we will become a "sort of sort" country. It will remain, only destroyers from China to buy used ones.

[bald]

Sorry, I didn’t read the comments, but this is interesting. KONGO - much cheaper and more practical - I think in our designs, quite a while this issue has been bustling. Maybe it will pop up - a problem of the place.

[Loess]

Allegedly, Russia was also "crowded".

Actually, all the news is supposedly built on this ...

[donavi49]

This shipyard has been supplying boats to the Navy for several years:
Five semi-rigid boats of the Х2К Special Ops project, with a maximum speed of up to 50-60 nodes, have already been sent to Russia. The other two boats should be the Х2К Carbotech Special Ops project and have speeds up to 85 knots. The 12K Carbotech Special Ops project boat demonstrated by 2 in March was the first of these two boats for the Russian customer.

[sogdy]

Quote: donavi49

Five semi-rigid boats

Quote: donavi49

Two other boats

Private yachts?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: donavi49

This shipyard has been supplying boats to the Navy for several years:

I don’t see the military, only lyady and uncles ...

[donavi49]

They build yachts for the Navy on their own, in a large series, of several projects.


In Indonesia, they buy ultra-fast boats for special operations forces. Like yachts, these X2 are very bad. VIP will break through, overboard and generally 0 positive feelings will fall out. There is no comfort again.

[Romka47]

Once again, there is no armor, there is no weight, the gun on the wheelhouse, the center of gravity of the bully is a very successful design. Further, a 105 mm caliber gun with a range of 10 km .... well, that’s not funny, and even the amateur doesn’t shake it, it will not be able to shoot at such a distance accurately, especially from the water during excitement (although this is a catamaran). With whom should this boat boat fight at all, for whom a bigger gun is not enough, 2A42 is more than enough for a peer. To shoot poachers? there is generally 7,62 enough. As I understand it, this first thing in the database the first dude with the DShK will sort it out into puzzles

[yehat]

about the excitement, you can use a stabilizer or fire control system as on cruisers and battleships. A tank gun on a boat is stupid.
You need a sea gun or a howitzer sharpened to fire high-explosive shells and missiles (or in addition PU with anti-tank trash) Also, for such clunkers some sort of one-shot volley fire is very useful and you need to somehow solve the target designation - rangefinders, drones, radars, etc. .P. What I see is not enough. This is essentially some kind of melee boat that he certainly will not survive.
it’s easier to make an armed barge - and more tenacious and toothy (from the experience of fighting on Lake Ladoga)

[novel66]

and if she also foams the hold - in general it will be unsinkable

[yehat]

Yes, by the way, you can kill such an ashtray only by cutting it into pieces.

[Romka47]

And then some pieces that remain afloat will still snap! and this .....

[Sergey Kuzovkov]

Indonesia has a bunch of islands

[cobalt]

Ukraine will immediately buy 1000 in exchange for fat.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: cobalt

Ukraine will immediately buy 1000 in exchange for fat.

Indonesians - Muslims!)))

[cobalt]

Exchange will be carried out at night, until God sees.

[novel66]

Yes, they already have their own fat and not, to "stronghold" if only to change - what a threat to our fleet

[PalBor]

There for a quarter - our people ... I mean, all sorts of Christians and Hindus. They respect pork.
Py. Sy. Putin was wrong with his mockery of Tkachev. Sam is a double.

[MPN]

Quote: cobalt

Ukraine will immediately buy 1000 in exchange for fat.

They are already buying fat in Germany, so that they don’t have enough currencies to buy boats ...

[sergeyezhov]

use of such a boat is possible only for landing operations on large rivers. for the sea, it is unlikely to be suitable due to low rainfall, taking the enemy not by reduction, but by number. there is no serious protection on the boat. at the slightest hit even of a small ammunition, it turns into a mass grave for 25 people. Its land counterpart is a gantrack plowing the deserts of Iraq and Syria.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What's the point of this boat? The firing range of the tank gun is about 3,5 km, how effective it will be when rolling at sea is still a big question, tank armor probably will not be on it anyway ..

That is, it will be possible to hit him easily from an air defense system and a ship’s 30 mm quick-fire gun, and there’s little use for it ...

While such a boat will make several holes out of its 105 mm cannon in a boat or enemy ships, it will simply be smashed into pieces by the same 30 mm quick-firing gun, and there’s nothing to say about missile weapons ...

I can’t even imagine in what conditions such a boat can be useful and be effective ...

[donavi49]

Soviet armored boats, including the surviving Bumblebees without a stabilizer or with a primitive stabilizer lagging behind the ground for a generation - were also not needed?

Or do they have a different purpose nevertheless, and not run into NATO AUG?

[Per se.]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I can’t even imagine in what conditions such a boat can be useful and be effective ...

Here you have a map of Indonesia, for which such a boat was created. Shallow, warm seas with many islands. There is a saying that for Russian it is good, then the German is death, this has its own meaning when we speak of a technique or an economic system, about everything that is applied to a particular time, event, and place.

[voyaka uh]

I totally agree. It was created for their endless islands and straits. And there it is convenient.

[Sergey Kuzovkov]

and to cover the landing

[Black sniper]

If on an air cushion it’s a good amphibian with a landing of 20 people, to work on armor and weapons, and the idea is not bad, I liked the rivers, lakes, swamps, then what you need, where the tank will not pass! but the fact that Russia is in the queue is STUPID, if desired, Russia itself THIS (boat tank) will do and much better than Indonesia !!!

[Sadko88]

Hybrid yacht with a monitor. Gunboat "Indonesian"

[yehat]

gunboats were extremely popular in that region.

[gukoyan]

Armatures are expensive for us, we will buy such tanks from Indonesia)))

[Rostislav]

"Tank" (exactly what is in quotation marks)? With bulletproof booking?
Only the emirates could feed this, if at all there was that order "... as many as a hundred boats"

[Prosha]

having a weak bulletproof reservation,

strange, but in the title we are talking about an armored car. Then my grandson in the bathroom is playing armored? The toy also has a polymer case ....

[donavi49]

All have a nominal reservation. Domestic pride and the last remaining type of Bumblebee in the Navy - has the thickest reservation 15mm and that’s only because it is a tank tower with PT-76 - where 15 mm. Own reservation - 10mm cabin. Belt - 6-8mm. The rest is 4-6 mm.

[yehat]

well, at least from pistols, crossbows and slingshots protected

[tank66]

There was, recently, an article where the dude was worried that there was nothing to drown peaceful container ships "if what." Here is the answer to his problem. He catches a catamaran to the ship. Asks the cap about the presence of weapons. If there are grenade launchers, he dumps at 40 knots, placing a smoke curtain. If not, he teaches a gun and landed a team of specialists to open the kingstones.

[Sadko88]

Quote: Logall

On the boat "Terminator" to "seat". There will be a boat support boat boats - "liquid terminator"!

Incidentally, it’s quite a working thought. Instead of add-ons with built-in weapons, roll up the necessary type of equipment to the upper deck. The meaning of carrying them in the holds, if their weapons can be used?

[AID.S]

And, according to Indonesia, among the future "exporting countries" Russia was allegedly "crowded".

Dnieper flotilla?

[HMR333]

and where does the tank? what does he ride on the earth ?! ordinary boat with a gun! I also innovate!

[Strashila]

It’s easier for our Bolshevik torpedo boat project ... to revive and recycle.

[beeper]

An interesting concept, probably for an unexpected dagger from coastal ambushes or from the hulls of ships and barges floating on the river ?! Or, to defeat enemy small-tonnage boats in the coastal zone, at distances exceeding the range of the actual fire of their rapid-fire small-caliber artillery, with the expectation that one or two aimed shots will surely disable the target ?!
A well-known case (June 1941 in the Baltic Sea) of the sinking of our “C” submarine at a sea crossing in an overboard position when two Hitler torpedo boats, quickly approaching the submarine, pierced the hull of their quick-fire small-caliber guns and shot everyone who was on the bridge or tried to shoot in response from 100 mm and 45 mm boat guns, and then, practically unguided, they finished off with depth charges, dropped on the course, right in front of the nose .... the same boat tank is probably waiting for the same if approach lungs and maneuver real boats with fast-shooters, armor is purely symbolic, light?! (It will turn out like in that joke about the “strongman” - a small restaurant bizoter raised by a tall head waiter by the collar and thrown out into the street with the words: “So what, what are you very strong ?! But very light! ")

[spektr9]

Boats from Indonesia, ....

[Mountain shooter]

Some sort of "Whirlwind" or something like that could well replace the tank gun. The essence of this vessel and the scope of activity with such a weak reservation point blank is not clear. In the river, all ATGMs are his. No speed will save him.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

And, according to Indonesia, among the future "exporting countries" Russia was allegedly "crowded".

Given the increasingly obvious inclination of the RF Ministry of Defense to extravagant projects (yes the same Poseidon), I would not be too surprised

[Laughtermaster]

Where is the front dump blade? Never set off!

[san4es]

X18 Tank Boat is planned to be equipped with a turret with a 105 mm tank gun

[Ros 56]

We took part in the Second World War 75 years ago, they proved themselves to be quite good. And not Indonesia to arm Russia, we can handle it ourselves.

[Blue fox]

Quote: yehat

the Swedes have such self-propelled guns for rapid fire raids - just the same junk put on the water. I don’t think a mortar is a good idea for a boat. The range is too low and the firing position is open.

In skerries the most.

[APASUS]

Boat for the Sea of ​​Azov, that would not be naughty .......

[Separ DNR]

Quote: AID.S

Dnieper flotilla?

Pinsk Navy ...

[sogdy]

Quote: donavi49

In Indonesia, they buy ultra-fast boats for special operations forces.

What for? Imagination played out?
Even Americans build for special forces themselves. And their fleet is worse than Burkino Faso.
The boat will go to rescuers - but this is the Air Force and the Ministry of Emergencies, and not the fleet.

[seregatara1969]

no solid land so the tank was lowered into the water!

[Sergey Kuzovkov]

Quote: Sadko88

Hybrid yacht with a monitor. Gunboat "Indonesian"

prinotm that gunboarding trays covered the mouth of the Danube