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Production of engines for the "Protons" fold

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NPO "Energomash" until the end of the year will stop the manufacture of engines for launch vehicles of the heavy class "Proton-M". This was told in an interview with RIA News Director General of NPO Energomash Igor Arbuzov.


Production of engines for the "Protons" fold


According to Arbuzov, engines for the Protons, produced in Perm, if there are no additional orders for the launch of Proton missiles, will not be produced from next year. Earlier, the new head of Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, stated that he had set the task of stopping the production of Protons after fulfilling the existing contracts and then using only Angara, a family of light, medium and heavy rockets, for space flights. The Angara missiles were launched only twice (in the light and heavy versions in 2014).

At the same time, Energomash and the United Launch Alliance signed a new agreement to supply six more RD-2020 rocket engines to the US in 180. According to Arbuzov, the contract for the supply of RD-180 in the United States was concluded before the 2019 year, but was extended for 2020, under which another six RD-180 engines will be supplied.

It also became known that NASA and the United States Air Force certified Russian rocket engines RD-180 for flights of American astronauts into space. Recall that the Russian engines are used in the first stage of American Atlas 5 missiles. In addition to the RD-180, Russia also supplies the US with the RD-181 rocket engines, which are used in American Antares missiles.
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  1. Egorovich
    Egorovich 31 July 2018 09: 09
    +12
    Instead of flying into space, we will pump oil and gas !? belay Forward! wassat
    1. svp67
      svp67 31 July 2018 09: 13
      +33
      Quote: Egorovich
      Instead of flying into space, we will pump oil and gas !?

      Proton has ONE launch pad in Baikonur, and this is already a foreign state. Each launch is a lot of money, in terms of compensation for environmental damage to Kazakhstan, since it uses very toxic fuel. So that the meaning of getting away from the "Proton" is
      1. Logall
        Logall 31 July 2018 09: 23
        +14
        Quote: svp67
        So that the meaning of getting away from the "Proton" is

        Missiles "Angara" launched only two times (in light and heavy versions in 2014).
        Will the Angara pull? It is necessary to bring to mind the new in order to abandon the old! ... And they already refuse ... Do not "come around"? Or maybe the "Rogozin trampolines" hedge in case of what?
        1. svp67
          svp67 31 July 2018 09: 26
          +12
          Quote: Logall
          And they are already refusing ... Do not "backfire"?

          Well, in the first place, there is still a backlog, not only of engines, but also of finished rocket launchers. and they will not abandon the Proton tomorrow, but in a few years, when the Proton launch program will end
          1. Logall
            Logall 31 July 2018 09: 40
            +9
            Quote: svp67
            they will not abandon Proton tomorrow, but in a few years
            Sergey, I would think so too, but
            Earlier, the general director of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin said that he set the task to stop the production of Protons after fulfilling existing contracts and then fly only on the Angara
            Those. they don’t intend to use them further ... In this case, Rogozin can do what he promises ... Of course, we will not be on the moon by the 30th year, but we’ll cut the “protons”!
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 31 July 2018 12: 57
              +1
              The current Angara will not replace Proton in terms of thrust, we have no alternative now. The transition to new carriers is normal, but there should be something ready for replacement and they didn’t specify how Perm compensates for the production of rocket engines, I would not want to think that it would be simple after these statements. And yet, to replace including Soyuz-5 is being planned for the proton, and this is the same rake - a table on Baikanur, and with a sea launch it’s written with a white pitchfork on the water ...
              PS There are no changes on manned carriers, so it’s better not to joke about trampolines, not to the point)
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 31 July 2018 13: 20
                +1
                Vangan about the assembly of turbines on the site in Lyady. We'll see. A new engine would be better.
                1. Sunjar
                  Sunjar 31 July 2018 13: 25
                  0
                  Late vanguet, in the news in the morning they wrote about this hi
                  1. nadezhiva
                    nadezhiva 31 July 2018 13: 30
                    0
                    There is a sin, I like to sleep)) Our people mock: There was one turbine near Perm, let’s say, that they couldn’t be installed, for several years. Then, it seems like she left for another region, as unnecessary. Apparently, nevertheless, we decided to follow the path of the Chinese and disassembled it, although not into atoms, but along a small screw. And then look, and the platform, rebuilt came in handy.
                2. maxim947
                  maxim947 31 July 2018 13: 34
                  0
                  Which turbines? TNA?
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 31 July 2018 09: 52
          +10
          Quote: Logall
          Do not "backfire"? Or maybe the "Rogozin trampolines" hedge in case of what?

          here is not tired of pouring dirt ????? Ragozin Trampolines mattress offered. don't be like psaki
          1. Logall
            Logall 31 July 2018 09: 57
            +17
            Quote: LSA57
            Ragozin Trampolines mattress offered

            I suggested it, but I’ll have to use it myself ... As they say: "Do not dig into another hole, you yourself will get into it."
            Rogozin promised by the 30th year to build a base on the moon ... How, is there any progress? It’s more like Psaki! Or dunno ...
            1. poquello
              poquello 31 July 2018 12: 08
              +5
              Quote: Logall
              Rogozin promised by the 30th year to build a base on the moon ... How, is there any progress?

              and sho? Has the 30th year already arrived? you throw tantrums here
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 31 July 2018 17: 50
                +3
                duck - 10 years is not a long time. And Rogozin and Co., things are getting worse and worse ..
                1. poquello
                  poquello 31 July 2018 18: 02
                  0
                  Quote: AwaZ
                  duck - 10 years is not a long time. And Rogozin and Co., things are getting worse and worse ..

                  I am not an expert on Rogozin’s affairs, but I don’t see any reason to believe you either
                  1. Awaz
                    Awaz 1 August 2018 19: 11
                    +1
                    and you don’t need to believe, you just need to look at what is happening in Roskosmos. In addition to corruption scandals, nothing good has been done so far.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 1 August 2018 21: 48
                      0
                      Quote: AwaZ
                      nothing good has been done yet.

                      they’ll do it, in 20 years they’ve changed the army, and here the Moon is some garbage
          2. Igor V
            Igor V 31 July 2018 10: 48
            +10
            Quote: LSA57
            Quote: Logall
            Do not "backfire"? Or maybe the "Rogozin trampolines" hedge in case of what?

            here is not tired of pouring dirt ????? Ragozin Trampolines mattress offered. don't be like psaki

            There are seemingly adequate people on the forum, but at the mention of the Rogozin password, a relay is triggered, turning these people into oohai machines. Moreover, the program of machines does not change from year to year, despite the changes in the situation. For those who program these machines, I would advise you to somehow slowly change the program, otherwise it turns out like a joke with a beard: everyone knows and everyone is already turning him around.
        3. Lycan
          Lycan 31 July 2018 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: Logall
          Will the Angara pull? It is necessary to bring to mind the new in order to abandon the old!

          I think they decided to put the question on the edge: to put the design bureau before the fact of abandoning the "Proton", and create the conditions - only for the development of the "Angara" in its various versions. And then you want - you don’t want, but need to doto the "hangar" pulled. Otherwise, head down ... in different senses of the word and for very different people, very different levels of responsibilities.
        4. Sunjar
          Sunjar 31 July 2018 13: 23
          +1
          But here in VO citizen Ragozin many consider a patriot and a good manager. And you write this here. In general, Monsieur Ragozin is trying very hard to ditch Russian space. We shish, and not moved, but the amers any number.
      2. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 31 July 2018 09: 30
        +12
        Well, yes, money, the main thing is money, and space, defense - it's all for the second time ... But Elon Musk’s launches are even cheaper! When the country is ruled by traders and farmers (effective managers), then this country begins to rapidly degrade ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 31 July 2018 09: 35
          +6
          Quote: Greg Miller
          Well, yes, money, the main thing is money, but space, defense - this is all secondary ....

          And here it all just happened, launches of the Proton analogue will be made from the territory of Russia. It is both money and security.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 31 July 2018 11: 46
          +5
          A few days ago, the Pentagon decided from 2019 to launch its satellites "mainly on returnable and used missiles." In order to save. That is, on Falcon-9. There are no other used ones. Elon Musk will first gain an advantage over the Boeing Lockheed Alliance.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 31 July 2018 14: 08
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Elon Musk will first gain an advantage over the Boeing Lockheed Alliance.

            I wonder what? its launches for NASA have already exceeded 150 lyamas per launch! didn’t you know? belay still believe in 62.5 per launch? laughing
            Apparently, the efficiency of the returned accelerators was greatly overestimated. as well as the incredible capabilities of a fully robotic, with 6500 jobs, gigafactories (in the real Panasonic factory moved from China) laughing laughing laughing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 31 July 2018 16: 12
              +7
              Musk can make launches at 40 million per launch at a loss. But he needs a profit. And it holds the price several million less than its competitors. It's enough. The turn for him is three years in advance. And competitors have to persuade customers: "let us launch your satellites on our wonderful rocket."
              See the list of Musk customers who have signed contracts with him for 2019. These are the world's largest satellite service providers. The richest companies.
              ----
              "gigafabriki (in the real factory Panasonic moved from China)" ////
              The factory will be debugged. As well as the release of Tesla will be brought to the promised 7000 cars in the WEEK. smile
              Laugh on wink Previously, they laughed at China, now over Elon Mask ...


              1. MMX
                MMX 31 July 2018 19: 36
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Musk can make launches at 40 million per launch at a loss. But he needs a profit. And it holds the price several million less than its competitors. It's enough. The turn for him is three years in advance. And competitors have to persuade customers: "let us launch your satellites on our wonderful rocket."
                See the list of Musk customers who have signed contracts with him for 2019. These are the world's largest satellite service providers. The richest companies.
                ----
                "gigafabriki (in the real factory Panasonic moved from China)" ////
                The factory will be debugged. As well as the release of Tesla will be brought to the promised 7000 cars in the WEEK. smile
                Laugh on wink Previously, they laughed at China, now over Elon Mask ...


                Blessed is he who believes ... (c)
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 31 July 2018 21: 09
                  +5
                  I believe in statistics. 60 successful launches.
                  Space-X launches regularly two rockets per month. Every two weeks - the launch of the Falcon ..
                  The next is on August 4, then on August 18.
                  1. MMX
                    MMX 1 August 2018 05: 02
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    I believe in statistics. 60 successful launches.
                    Space-X launches regularly two rockets per month. Every two weeks - the launch of the Falcon ..
                    The next is on August 4, then on August 18.


                    No, let's substantively:
                    1. It was stated that
                    Musk can make launches at 40 million per launch at a loss.


                    What is it based on?

                    2.
                    The factory will be debugged. As well as the release of Tesla will be brought to the promised 7000 cars in the WEEK.


                    Same thing: what is it based on? Statements of the liar Mask, who repeatedly did not fulfill public promises ???

                    Meanwhile, Tesla annually shows losses. Last year they reached a record. And what happens to the company, which throughout its history (and it is already more than 10 years, for a minute) is unprofitable?
                    That's right, this company is moving towards success and developing ... That's exactly what all the witnesses of the Mask sect think.
                    1. Avis-bis
                      Avis-bis 1 August 2018 07: 38
                      0
                      Quote: MMX

                      Meanwhile, Tesla annually shows losses. Last year they reached a record. And what happens to the company, which throughout its history (and it is already more than 10 years, for a minute) is unprofitable?
                      That's right, this company is moving towards success and developing ... That's exactly what all the witnesses of the Mask sect think.

                      Nenuacho ... Investors bring loot, the owner / s "enough for bread." What is bad then? :)
                    2. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 1 August 2018 10: 07
                      0
                      "And what happens to the company, which throughout its history (and it is already more than 10 years, for a minute) is unprofitable?" ////
                      ----
                      It becomes profitable. This happens constantly with the largest companies. Losses, staff reductions, loans, model changes. Ultimately, profit.
                      Tesla is at a loss not because there are few orders. On the contrary, a unique case when a company is choked with orders. Too many of them. The plant does not have time to make cars.
                      ----
                      Calculations say that with Falcon-9 Block 5, the cost of launching a full load cargo will be in the region of $ 20 million already with 10 returns and repeated launches of the first stage. A max. number of returns - 100 smile
                      1. MMX
                        MMX 5 August 2018 17: 18
                        0
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        "And what happens to the company, which throughout its history (and it is already more than 10 years, for a minute) is unprofitable?" ////
                        ----
                        It becomes profitable. This happens constantly with the largest companies. Losses, staff reductions, loans, model changes. Ultimately, profit.
                        Tesla is at a loss not because there are few orders. On the contrary, a unique case when a company is choked with orders. Too many of them. The plant does not have time to make cars.
                        ----
                        Calculations say that with Falcon-9 Block 5, the cost of launching a full load cargo will be in the region of $ 20 million already with 10 returns and repeated launches of the first stage. A max. number of returns - 100 smile


                        Tesla’s problems are not that there are few orders (nobody said that), but on the contrary, there are too many and Tesla is simply not able to fulfill them. The classic version of the financial pyramid: in order for the company to exist, it needs to attract new funds. So far, external financing has been received (data from the US government, independent investors, etc.). But each time it gets harder (the latest report proves this clearly). As soon as the outer trickle runs out - Tesla will collapse. The company has no patents in high technology. The company has neither technological nor financial value.
                        The conclusion is that there are orders, but Musk is not able to fulfill them. Pyramid in its purest form, a matter of time. Speculative ratings from leading financial agencies are proof of this.
                        Therefore, if a company incurs losses for 10 years, it becomes bankrupt.
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 3 August 2018 16: 25
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Musk can make launches at 40 million per launch at a loss.

                practice shows that it cannot. vaunted return steps were not quite a cheap treat wink
                Quote: voyaka uh
                See the list of Musk customers who have signed contracts with him for 2019. These are the world's largest satellite service providers. The richest companies.

                providers or provider? as far as I remember the overwhelming number of launches are satellites of Iridium Communications Inc. and where is the largest provider? in the USA? Or are you talking about the giant in the field of provider from Luxembourg? laughing
                and this. since they stammered ... be kind to the studio a list of these same contracts.
                Quote: voyaka uh
                The turn for him is three years in advance. And competitors have to persuade customers: "let us launch your satellites on our wonderful rocket."

                from whom? from Iridium Communications Inc? for all three years?
                Quote: voyaka uh
                The factory will be debugged. As well as the release of Tesla will be brought to the promised 7000 cars in the WEEK.

                what? true? but how if this factory turned out to be unprofitable even with exemption from land rent for 20 years and tax breaks of 10 and state investments of 5 billion?
                how interesting they will achieve such incredible success in the assembly of Chinese electric vehicles? Tesla itself does not produce any components and does not have any technical patents. only designer.
                and face it, the Tesla offices are closing. not temporarily but permanently. uhosh! belay
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Laugh further. Previously, they laughed at China, now over Elon Mask ...

                I do not laugh at Ilon Mask. he is gorgeous! American Ostap Bender! good I laugh at idiots who believe in hyperloop, interval, tesla and a bike about cheap electricity from solar panels laughing
                if you want to strike the hardest blow to your gullible consciousness then type in “maskology” in Google and read the entire series of articles. there it’s detailed how, where, whom and where Musk raped hi
            2. Kirill Dou
              Kirill Dou 1 August 2018 03: 46
              +2
              You would first think what these 150 lyamas came from, and then you would write.

              I explain (the first time - for free):

              1. 62,5 million dollars is the price of launching the Falcon-9 rocket

              2. For NASA, SpaceX launches ISS supplies. For this, the company uses not only the Falcon-9 LV, but also the Dragon space truck of its own production. That is, the cost of the ship is added to the price of the rocket (thereby 62,5 million).

              3. Launches for government organizations (NASA and the Pentagon) undergo additional, more rigorous certification (compared to launches for third-party firms), which still adds money.

              As a result, those same 150 million are obtained. And for third-party commercial customers, the company launches rockets at a cost of $ 62 million.
    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 31 July 2018 09: 14
      +10
      Quote: Egorovich
      Instead of flying into space, we will pump oil and gas !?

      Sell ​​for export high-tech engines. Downtime can result, in the end, the loss of jobs, salaries. Money is not small. They must be taken from somewhere in order to survive under the conditions of sanctions.
    3. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 31 July 2018 09: 46
      0
      Download it! And the flag in your hands, and a bucket!
    4. ibn.shamai
      ibn.shamai 31 July 2018 09: 56
      +1
      Quote: Egorovich
      Instead of flying into space, we will pump oil and gas !? belay Forward! wassat

      And what do they give, flights into space? Just waste! What is the use of these flights for the economy? request
    5. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 31 July 2018 10: 07
      +1
      This is capitalism, friends.
    6. astepanov
      astepanov 31 July 2018 13: 40
      +7
      Quote: Egorovich
      Instead of flying into space, we will pump oil and gas !? belay Go! wassat

      I would even say tougher: "Forward!" For thirty years, the Union has gone from the first satellite to the Energia rocket, mastered spacewalks, automatic flights to other planets and the Moon, created its own space station - and the new Russia only managed to destroy and plunder what had been accomplished without doing anything except the Angara "which is not. What would the fake "Doctor of Engineering" Mr. Rogozin say to this? So Russia, in front and nowhere else!
  2. bouncyhunter
    bouncyhunter 31 July 2018 09: 11
    +6
    Well, everything is clear: “Protons” will stop flying and engines are not needed for them, and there is nothing to start Atlas mattresses with. Business, however ...
    1. MPN
      MPN 31 July 2018 09: 16
      +11
      Hello Pasha! hi Korolev must be like a fan in a coffin spinning with happiness as his dream of USSR flights to the stars comes true ...
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 31 July 2018 09: 21
        +4
        Hello, namesake! hi
        Quote: MPN
        Korolev must be like a fan in a coffin spinning with happiness as his dream of USSR flights to the stars comes true ...

        Yeah, if I could get up from the grave and see what was happening, I would be very surprised ...
        1. MPN
          MPN 31 July 2018 09: 23
          +4
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          I would be very surprised ..

          I think I would not get up anymore, look at this is not surprising, it is disgusting and nauseous ...
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 31 July 2018 10: 07
            +3
            Quote: MPN
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            I would be very surprised ..

            I think I would not get up anymore, look at this is not surprising, it is disgusting and nauseous ...

            sick of the fact that we do not feed the mattress ????? Yes, I'm glad when you choke on vomit.
        2. avt
          avt 31 July 2018 09: 33
          +3
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Yeah, if I could get up from the grave and see what was happening, I would be very surprised ...

          For 500 nicknamed “Proton"? Well, the King would have been glad for sure! Nothing human was alien to him, and he was jealous of Chelomey’s projects. bully The fact that 500 worked out taking into account new interstate realities is a medical fact.
          Quote: MPN
          to the stars...
          even on ,, Hangar "don’t fly, it’s also a fact. Well, maybe in a long time, like an Auto Mask, it’s frozen in a car. But what really worries - They did bring“ Hangar "5,7 to the metal and when the table for it is ready for East?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 31 July 2018 09: 40
            +2
            Quote: avt
            But what really excites - Did the “Hangar” 5,7 bring to metal, and when will the table for it be ready in the East?

            This moment really excites. Someone advocates that the “Proton” will not be closed soon, and during this time everything on the “Hangar” will be exhausted. Let's see how it will actually be ...
          2. astepanov
            astepanov 31 July 2018 13: 42
            +1
            Quote: avt
            that’s what really worries - Have you brought the Angara 5,7 to metal, and when will the table for it be ready in East?

            Never. Cosmodromes are power-saw benches, and nothing else.
          3. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 31 July 2018 14: 16
            0
            Quote: avt
            and when will the table for her be ready in the East?

            Duc has already been 2 starts. from the East, if not mistaken. do you suggest that they started from a stick in the sand stuck? wink
            1. avt
              avt 31 July 2018 19: 29
              0
              Quote: SanichSan
              Duc has already been 2 starts. from the East, if not mistaken.

              Duc materiel should be taught BEFORE you are going to scribble koment. Just re-read about what it is about. Googel in the hands of knowledge - Vuot from ,, Soyuz ", and uvot from ,, Angara" and which one.
        3. LSA57
          LSA57 31 July 2018 10: 12
          +1
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Yeah, if I could get up from the grave and see what was happening, I would be very surprised ...

          Hi Paul hi
          Korolev was not close to the “Proton”.
          Have few missiles been put into service?
          or nothing at the station to run the crews?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 31 July 2018 10: 17
            +7
            Hello, Sergey ! hi
            Quote: LSA57
            Korolev was not close to the “Proton”.

            Tsiolkovsky, too, had nothing to do with “Vostok”, but he would clearly have been glad for Korolev’s success. wink
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 31 July 2018 09: 41
        +5
        Quote: MPN
        hi Korolev must be spinning like a fan in a coffin from happiness how his dream of flying the USSR to the stars comes true ...

        The same can be said about Yuri Alekseevich ... recourse
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 31 July 2018 11: 20
          +1
          Quote: Proxima
          about Yuri Alekseevich ...


          - Yura! We are all about .... *

          hi
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 31 July 2018 11: 44
            +4
            Quote: Vanek
            Quote: Proxima
            about Yuri Alekseevich ...


            - Yura! We are all about .... *

            hi

            Do not be so sharp and in the forehead belay the dead must also be spared. Especially delicately try to explain with whom we are (behind the scenes) fighting recourse
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 31 July 2018 11: 49
              0
              Quote: Proxima
              who are we with


              - Ooh! Lyokha! Are you with us again?

              “It's not me with you.” You are with me!


              WE!?

              With no one.

              They are with us.

              Different things.

              And the “Protons” will fly until the “Angara” is brought to mind. I very much doubt that they will refuse one without having another.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 31 July 2018 11: 20
          -1
          They will fly to Mars - only it will not be Russia.
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 31 July 2018 14: 19
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            They will fly to Mars - only it will not be Russia.

            sure! Ukrainians will be! turbojet from fifth point bully
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 31 July 2018 17: 59
              +2
              No, it will be the USA.
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 31 July 2018 09: 59
        +3
        Quote: MPN
        Korolev must be like a fan in a coffin spinning with happiness as his dream of USSR flights to the stars comes true ...

        Korolev generally had nothing to do with “Proton”
        Proton (UR-500 - Universal Rocket, Proton-K, Proton-M) - a heavy-duty disposable carrier rocket (LV) designed to launch automatic spacecraft into orbit of the Earth and further into outer space. It is capable of putting loads of up to 3,3 tons into geostationary orbit (GSO). It was developed in 1961-1967 in the OKB-23 subdivision (now the State Scientific and Technical Center named after MV Khrunichev)
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 31 July 2018 10: 11
          +2
          Quote: LSA57
          Quote: MPN
          Korolev must be like a fan in a coffin spinning with happiness as his dream of USSR flights to the stars comes true ...

          Korolev generally had nothing to do with “Proton” ...

          This is not easier ... Khrunichev and K turn over recourse
        2. MPN
          MPN 31 July 2018 10: 13
          +1
          Actually, I’m talking about the USSR, space and the possible reaction of the Korolev, but about Proton, as it were, I didn’t say a word ...: feel
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 31 July 2018 09: 17
    +8
    And someone said let them fly into space from trampolines .. but it’s like that ..
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 31 July 2018 09: 47
      +7
      And this Space and technology are not needed. I launched another enthusiastic fake about unparalleled achievements and shut up until the next fake.
      That's all the activities of Dimon 2. He still lives on news headlines.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 July 2018 09: 19
    +6
    Why lament. Said the same
    if there will be no additional orders to launch Proton rockets, from next year will not be produced
    If there are no orders, then what's the point of releasing engines, and most importantly, what kind of cones?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 31 July 2018 09: 45
      +1
      And your, Russian needs are not and is not expected? If so, then doubly sad.
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 31 July 2018 09: 25
    +5
    I don’t understand why some commentators are moaning. It is clearly said, there is a transition to the Angara. Proton, as you don’t upgrade it, the rocket is aging. Unions are aging too. It is clear that the transition to a new technique, and even more so complex, is not easy. And surely someone will break ahead in launches while we are rebuilding technological chains, building new launching tables and more. Nothing stops.
    Still would steal less, in general everything would be chocolate.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 31 July 2018 09: 43
      +3
      So much has been written about the Angara that everything is unclean with it. And whether this line will be at all.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 July 2018 09: 53
        +2
        This is not unclean with the Angara, but with local officials in general and in Roscosmos in particular. Just read, they detained him, then they arrested him. They are tying tens of millions of rubles, it’s even absurd to talk about their conscience. And then - noooo money .... Though at every person from the FSB with a gun, stick.
        1. uskrabut
          uskrabut 1 August 2018 08: 50
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          Attach to every person from the FSB with a gun.

          What for? One was caught - the entire government resigned, led by the prime minister, for life. This will definitely work, they themselves will look after each other.
  6. flicker
    flicker 31 July 2018 09: 35
    +2
    And if they had said that we were going to the Angara, but we would continue to rivet the Protons anyway, what would be the reaction?
  7. Troll
    Troll 31 July 2018 09: 38
    +1
    I understand that this is money, but damn where are the decent, painful, Russian anti-sanctions?
    EMNIP in the thought of discussed and promised by the fall .. Autumn is already close. It's time.
  8. NordUral
    NordUral 31 July 2018 09: 42
    +7
    Yeah, come! There will be no Protons, no Angara. Only loot the oligarchs and official pack. And still they, oil, gas or spacecraft engines of the past. Hookings!
  9. Fisman
    Fisman 31 July 2018 09: 46
    +7
    The United States applies sanctions to Russia on all fronts, and Russia helps out with engines since they don’t have their own yet ... Sexual rags, not politicians in power in the Russian Federation!
    1. digitalcn75
      digitalcn75 31 July 2018 10: 25
      +2
      Not rags. All according to plan.
    2. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher 31 July 2018 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Fisman
      US applies sanctions to Russia

      To part of Russian companies and part of individuals.
      Quote: Fisman
      and Russia helps out with engines

      A certain private company, on which the United States does not depend.
  10. Elephant
    Elephant 31 July 2018 09: 56
    0
    Americans can also collect analogues of RD-180. But capitalists simply do not want to invest in the old and are actively developing new promising engines. And they already have some success in this direction.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 31 July 2018 10: 19
      +2
      They can’t ... they don’t have technologies for the production of RD-180, but they just don’t fly a copy of the wrong material. They have successes, but so far they don’t have a ligun.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 31 July 2018 10: 51
        +1
        They sold all the documentation for the production. It only remained to build a plant and run. But either they could not master it, or they regretted the money for development and decided it was cheaper to buy from us. Rather, the second. Now they’re turning around in a frying pan, like sanctions are necessary, and there’s no where to get the engines.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 31 July 2018 10: 53
        +8
        BE-4. Already finish off at the stand.

        Raptor - on firing prototype.


        These are methane engines - which analogue at the moment.
      3. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 31 July 2018 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: Sochi
        but so far they are not a ligun.

        It’s impossible to show your curiosity. Read about Delta 4 at least.
        1. Sochi
          Sochi 31 July 2018 12: 25
          +1
          Working at the stand and real flight are slightly different things ... The debugging can take quite a while, and not the fact that it will work as it should. There are many examples of this, that we have, that of the shtatovtsy ....
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 31 July 2018 12: 35
            -2
            The United States has space rockets in operation with its own engines. Delta 4, Delta Heavy, Falcon-9, Falcon Heavy, Minotaur, Pegasus.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 31 July 2018 13: 57
            +2
            On stands, the engine is turned on and off many times and several times longer than in real flight. Fail, usually not the engines themselves, but the control and synchronization systems around them.
            1. Sochi
              Sochi 31 July 2018 14: 34
              0
              Unlike the stand on the engine mounted on the rocket, I act differently different variables and different vector loads and vibrations, which is not buzzing for it ... and how will different units behave in such conditions? trivial cracks may appear, and not only ... not to mention what you wrote.
              1. Avis-bis
                Avis-bis 1 August 2018 14: 34
                0
                Quote: Sochi
                Unlike the stand

                At the stands, all this is reproduced. For that, stands exist. One of the reasons for our loss with N-1 was the fact that we did little bench tests, and immediately launched a rocket. But the Americans did the opposite. Lavochkin had the same problem with Storm. Once they installed a penny relay with a 90 ° rotation relative to the correct one and lost the rocket at the start.
      4. Vanek
        Vanek 31 July 2018 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: Sochi
        not one of those materials will not fly.


        1 AZ ....

        The block is steel, the head is aluminum.

        It’s about the same here.

        They may have production technology, but there IS NOTHING TO DO FROM WHAT.

        I mean alloys. A little bit of cannula (instead of 1%, say 1,5 or 2) and that's it - arrived.

        Moronic sapromat ....

        hi
        1. Sochi
          Sochi 31 July 2018 12: 26
          +1
          Rather terribly insidious.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 31 July 2018 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: Elephant
      Americans can also collect analogues of RD-180.

      lies. Yes, we would really like to, but they can’t. do not own processing technologies soldier
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    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 31 July 2018 10: 52
      +2
      And if you sweep away the distortion of facts and empty distortion of words, it turns out that the northern fox is still far away from us.
      1. spektr9
        spektr9 31 July 2018 15: 18
        0
        the little fox is still far away from us
        So he already ran back in the 90th year, only now everyone is used to feeding him fish, but stroking his belly
  12. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 31 July 2018 10: 30
    0
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Well, yes, money, the main thing is money, and space, defense - it's all for the second time ... But Elon Musk’s launches are even cheaper! When the country is ruled by traders and farmers (effective managers), then this country begins to rapidly degrade ...


    Greg, do you offer to work without profit on charitable principles? The USSR has already worked like that, the result is known.
  13. Radical
    Radical 31 July 2018 10: 57
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Egorovich
    Instead of flying into space, we will pump oil and gas !?

    Proton has ONE launch pad in Baikonur, and this is already a foreign state. Each launch is a lot of money, in terms of compensation for environmental damage to Kazakhstan, since it uses very toxic fuel. So that the meaning of getting away from the "Proton" is

    Where to - in the USA? wassat
  14. Radical
    Radical 31 July 2018 11: 00
    0
    Quote: digitalcn75
    Not rags. All according to plan.

    Whose? wink
  15. ism_ek
    ism_ek 31 July 2018 11: 06
    0
    It seems to me that there is no need to dramatize the situation. Serial production of the Sarmat rocket will soon begin there, in essence, the same engines as on the Proton.
  16. Radical
    Radical 31 July 2018 11: 12
    0
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Yeah, if I could get up from the grave and see what was happening, I would be very surprised ...

    Hi Paul hi
    Korolev was not close to the “Proton”.
    Have few missiles been put into service?
    or nothing at the station to run the crews?

    Do you know the real numbers? sad
  17. slipped
    slipped 31 July 2018 13: 01
    0
    Meanwhile, the heavy Angara-A5 is preparing for the next test launch.
  18. shirkoled
    shirkoled 31 July 2018 14: 58
    0
    The 5th column is working tirelessly!
  19. Dietmar
    Dietmar 31 July 2018 15: 24
    +2
    It seems that a crowd of professional trolls is sitting on the site (this is by no means an exception). At the command "face" begins the "commenting process." Here are the main points:
    1. There will be no pension. This one is currently heading the TOP of the “all gone” topic.
    2. Putin (Medvedev, Shoigu, Borisov, Rogozin ...) merged everything (Donbass, Crimea, Syria, rocket science, army, housing and communal services ...).
    3. Salvage (any) will be stolen, invested incorrectly, procured, lost ...
    4. They do not build anything (they produce, extract, invent, grow ...), and if so, then poor-quality (poisonous, will soon fall apart, not competitive, slop ...).
    and so on on the list. And some comments can easily be reckoned as openly anti-Russian and extremist.
    There are adequate commentators (at least in the subject of the article), but, unfortunately, they are few. So I ask them: guys, what have you forgotten here, your opinion of experts is not interesting to anyone here, here is a hive of masters of bullshit trolling.
    1. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 31 July 2018 15: 54
      +3
      I suggested that you give a real and objective overview of what is happening in Russia, and again, money for the fish - “around the trolls that crap on the site!” Stuck, or is there really nothing to write besides demonogy? ??
      1. slipped
        slipped 31 July 2018 17: 41
        +2
        Well what's going on? Arbuzov was only singled out from the whole big interview about the cessation of engine production for Proton. laughing And the fact that the production of RD-191 engines is in progress and they have already delivered 22 engines for the Angara rocket launcher in Omsk not a word. Why, huh? laughing
        1. poquello
          poquello 31 July 2018 18: 08
          0
          Quote: slipped
          Well what's going on? Arbuzov was only singled out from the whole big interview about the cessation of engine production for Proton. laughing And the fact that the production of RD-191 engines is in progress and they have already delivered 22 engines for the Angara rocket launcher in Omsk not a word. Why, huh? laughing

          ) bullshit! Mask will defeat everyone, make a submarine out of a pipe and drown nafig
  20. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 31 July 2018 16: 51
    +2
    Something a lot of "all-weeping."
    They don’t use the hangar - it’s bad, they turn Proton in favor of the Hangar - again it’s bad. You will not please.
  21. Avis-bis
    Avis-bis 31 July 2018 17: 09
    +1
    Dmitry Rogozin said that he set the goal to stop the production of "Protons"

    And that no one is surprised?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 July 2018 18: 02
      -1
      And well, the atmosphere will stop polluting with this toxic fuel.
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 1 August 2018 14: 35
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        And well, the atmosphere will stop polluting with this toxic fuel.

        Do you know an alternative for this pH?
  22. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 31 July 2018 18: 46
    -1
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Elon Musk will first gain an advantage over the Boeing Lockheed Alliance.

    I wonder what? its launches for NASA have already exceeded 150 lyamas per launch! didn’t you know? belay still believe in 62.5 per launch? laughing
    Apparently, the efficiency of the returned accelerators was greatly overestimated. as well as the incredible capabilities of a fully robotic, with 6500 jobs, gigafactories (in the real Panasonic factory moved from China) laughing laughing laughing

    You do not confuse Falcon-9 + Dragon and just Falcon-9. Is it like you Kamaz with a Mercedes in a truck or just Kamaz?
    1. Kirill Dou
      Kirill Dou 1 August 2018 03: 57
      0
      Plus, additional certification for government customers also pays extra money for the launch.