Saber and checker: so similar and so different

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Not having enough knowledge in the cold weapons, people often confuse sabers and checkers. Nevertheless, it is obvious that these are completely different types of weapons, differing both in their design and in various features of combat use. By now, both types of weapons have been transformed into the parade designs category, but some related issues remain relevant. First of all, discussions continue on the potential of the blades of two kinds. Sometimes the disputants are trying to figure out which type of weapon is better, although everything has long been determined.

It should be remembered that under the names of sabers and checkers may be hiding a variety of edged weapons. For many centuries, both types of blades have come a long way, as a result of which a large number of weapon types have appeared with some differences and a number of similarities. It is probably for this reason that it is often not specific specimens that are subjected to comparison, but only their main features. However, such a comparison has both advantages and disadvantages.




Cold weapons in the museum. Along the edges - sabers of different types. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


Historical blades

It is believed that the first sabers were created by the Turkic armorers around the 7th century AD. This weapon was actually a modified broadsword, which received a slight bend of the blade. The single-edged blade of a curved shape, having sufficient dimensions, was fairly light, and because of this, showed certain advantages over the swords of that time. Such weapons were primarily intended for cavalry and, in practice, showed themselves as a good tool for fighting foot soldiers.

At the turn of two millennia, sabers are widely distributed and are used in armies of different regions. One of their first mastered the warriors of ancient Russia, and then such weapons fell into Eastern Europe and the Middle East. As they spread, the saber was modified. New operators intended to use such weapons in various branches of the military and for different purposes, which led to some modifications of the appearance, including significant ones.

The development of sabers, aimed at optimizing their characteristics for different tasks, lasted until the XIX century. The gunsmiths tried different configurations of blades, created new versions of the hilt, and also experimented with the dimensions and weight of the weapon. As a result, a great many varieties of sabers with their own appearance appeared. In this case, some subclasses are similar to each other, while others differ so much that they can not be immediately recognized as related.


Russian saber of the middle of the XVIII century. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


So, the European sabers of the New Age had a blade with a length of about 850-900 mm and a bend of at least 30-40 and not more than 50-60 mm. Such weapons were used by infantry and cavalry. On the navyin turn, the so-called boarding sabers - weapons with a blade not more than 500-600 mm long and a powerful hilt that provides maximum protection to the hand. In general, a large number of historical varieties of sabers are known, which had one or another difference due to the specific application.

It is simply useless to list all the countries that were armed with one or another version of the saber. Such a weapon was present in almost all the armies that followed the current trends in weapons business. Accordingly, sabers were regularly used on the battlefield and contributed to the course of many armed conflicts in almost all continents.

The first mentions of drafts belong to the XII century, and again promising weapons were created by the Turkic blacksmiths. As in the case of sabers, the checkers further developed and changed. The final appearance of modern checkers was established in the New time. In the distant past, such weapons were used by some Caucasian nations. Later on, the shashka came to the Terek and Kuban Cossacks. By the middle of the XIX century, such weapons were officially adopted by some Russian structures. A few decades later, the sword appeared in the army, seriously pushing the sword. The role of the latter was significantly reduced, and in some cases it was now only a parade weapon.

It should be noted that the replacement of sabers for checkers occurred only in Russia. Other countries continued to use sabers of existing designs, in some cases modifying and modifying them. Whether this was a consequence of the progressive views of the Russian command is a topic for a separate discussion.


American boarding saber M1860. Photo by Missouri History Museum / mohistory.org


The checkers managed to take part in all the major wars of the XIX century, and also found application in the battles of the last century. The last conflict with the noticeable use of drafts - as well as cold weapons in general - was the Second World War. By this time, the development of other types of weapons made the blades, at least, not the most convenient and useful weapon. In the future, edged weapons finally passed into the discharge of parade or award without any chance of returning to their previous status.

Technical issues

During its existence, the sabers and checkers were repeatedly changed, which led to the emergence of a mass of subclasses and types of cold weapons. In this regard, a direct comparison of different samples can often be difficult. To simplify the search for the answer to the traditional question “what is better?”, It is often possible to use a comparison not of specific samples, but of general features of the concept. With all its problems, such a comparison allows you to see the main differences of weapons, as well as understand why one of them gave way to another.

By the time of adopting the checkers in our country, European-style sabers were used - equipped with a relatively long blade with a significant bend. Such a weapon could have a total length of more than 1 m with a curvature up to 50-60 mm. The weight of such a saber could exceed 1 kg. Most often, the saber was balanced in the middle of the blade, which made it possible to increase its chopping effect. Such weapons were intended for use by cavalry and foot soldiers of different types of troops.


Russian checker 1829. Photo Livrustkammaren / emuseumplus.lsh.se


The main feature of the saber, distinguishing it from the weapons of older classes, was originally the bend of the blade. Due to this, the saber is able to have both a chopping and a cutting effect on the target. During the chop, the bend causes the blade to literally slide along the target, resulting in cutting. The increase in curvature leads to an increase in cutting action, but at the same time reduces the power of cutting. In sabers of different countries and epochs, a similar balance of characteristics was used in its own way, which led to the appearance of weapons of different forms.

The 19th century drafts differed noticeably from the sabers, although they were to some extent similar to them. With the same dimensions and similar curvature - and therefore similar cutting and chopping action - they did not have guards, and also differed in the configuration of the blades. There was usually no pronounced tip on the checkers, but there was a one-and-a-half sharpening. In addition, the center of gravity of the checkers was shifted to the tip. Proceeding from the speed and ease of use, the piece was often transferred upward in the sheath with the blade, which simplified the process of its extraction followed by a chopping strike.

One of the main differences between saber and swords is the method of its use in battle. The saber was intended both for striking and for protection against the enemy blade. This gave certain advantages, but to a certain extent made it difficult to train a fighter. In the case of a sword, the use of a weapon was reduced to a stabbing or slashing strike, while protection with a blade was not provided for.


1846 Checkers Stick. Photo by Livrustkammaren / emuseumplus.lsh.se


It is the ease of use, and hence the ease of training a soldier, was one of the reasons for the gradual abandonment of sabers in favor of the drafts. So, the cavalryman of the Red Army had to master only four injections and three blows in different directions, after which he could effectively use his sword in battle. A full training in saber fencing would take much longer.

Logical replacement

At the end of the first third of the XIX century, in some army units of the Russian Empire, the available sabers were replaced with checkers. Further rearmament, however, was conducted quite slowly and took several decades. Only in 1881, it was decided to re-equip the bulk of the troops with swords with sabers replaced. Cavalry formations, officer corps and artillery passed rearmament. The number of sabers sharply decreased, and these weapons, in the main, retained the ceremonial role.

Different blades were designed for different types of troops, the configuration of which corresponded to the assigned tasks. First of all, the weapon differed in length and curvature of the blade, as well as the number and location of the valleys. Different forms and materials of the handles were also used, although their form, in general, was common to all samples. Later, several replacements of cold weapons were carried out several times, but the main weapon of the cavalry was still the checker.

The reasons for the gradual abandonment of sabers in favor of checkers are well known. Already in the middle of the XIX century, it became obvious that the main weapon of modern armies is a firearm, and the cold one now gets a secondary role. Even moving closer, the infantrymen had to use rifles and bayonets, and therefore the need for weapons with a long blade was reduced. At the same time, the cavalry still needed such means, and the specifics of its combat work made it possible to do without fencing skills. As a result, the cavalry, and after it, the other branches of the army decided to equip them with an easy-to-manufacture and mastering checker, which fully met the existing requirements.


Checkers at the Victory Parade 1945. Photo by Wikimedia Commons


Which is better?

When studying different types of weapons, the expected question necessarily arises: which one is better? In some situations, it does not make sense, while in others it is more correct to formulate a question that takes into account the conditions of use of the weapon. This is the case when comparing saber and checkers. And if you take into account the requirements, application features and other factors, it turns out that both classes of weapons are good in their own way.

The saber appeared many centuries ago, when a long blade was the main weapon of a soldier. With the help of a saber it was possible to inflict various blows, and in addition, it helped block or repel the attack of the enemy. The saber in its various manifestations was used in infantry, in cavalry and in the navy. By changing the configuration of the weapon, it was possible to obtain the maximum effectiveness of the battle under the given conditions.

However, for the effective use of their weapons, the fighter had to spend a lot of time on training. Preparing a swordsman capable of attacking and defending was a complex and lengthy process. A similar situation persisted for several centuries, until the emergence and wide dissemination of fundamentally new weapons and associated tactics.


Now dlinnoklinkovoe cold weapons of the army can be seen only in parades. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


By the beginning of the 19th century, firearms were firmly fixed on the battlefields, and by the end of the same century, they had become the main armament of all developed armies. Melee weapons, including sabers, faded into the background. In such a situation, the soldier’s long training in handling blades simply did not make sense: he had to be taught to handle a rifle, which led to obvious consequences. Melee weapons retained their potential only in cavalry, whose combat work had its own characteristics. In addition, it could be used in some other structures that are not directly related to an open clash with the enemy army.

In the conditions of a sharp reduction in the number of battles on cold weapons, cavalry and other types of troops were able to choose weapons that are simpler in production and use. They were checkers of several varieties, entered service at the end of the XIX century.

It is not difficult to notice that the sabers and checkers were used at different times and in different conditions. This suggests that both of these classes of cold weapons have sufficient characteristics and are optimal for their conditions. While the blades dominated the battlefield, the chopping saber remained in service, and the complexity of mastering was compensated by the results of its use. In the future, the command considered it advantageous to move to the checker.

The evolution of cold weapons lasted for many hundreds of years and led to the emergence of a wide variety of samples for various purposes, differing in characteristics and capabilities. During these processes gunsmiths from different eras and countries created a great many varieties of sabers, which remained in service until the recent past. However, in the case of the Russian army, sabers eventually gave way to checkers. Conditions changed, and soldiers needed a different weapon.

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  1. +4
    1 August 2018 10: 24
    Simplification is not always better, IMHO. As a result, the entire rich fencing school, developed over the centuries, was reduced to the banal “cut on the left” - “cut on the right” bully
    And yet, in sports fencing preserved sword, rapier and saber. But there are no drafts, precisely because of the impossibility of actually fencing. So maybe a checker is a dead end in general, but we did not find out about this just because the era of edged weapons ended?
    1. +6
      1 August 2018 10: 58
      Well, if fencing is a dead end, and if you cut foot infantry from a horse, that’s it, it turns out that way. Moreover, manufacturing technology is simpler, which means cheaper, plus less time to master, and all this is crucial in large armies.
      1. +2
        1 August 2018 11: 41
        I completely agree, the logic of "large numbers" dominates here and the checker is most suitable for the role of mass weapons. Although the question remains - in the horsehouse on checkers the element of luck is still great, therefore, again at the tactical level they win by number. It would be necessary to look for studies on the topic "checker vs saber / broadsword", just for myself, it became interesting.
        I only own a saber, and even more so at the level of "artistic fencing with historical elements" feel
        1. +3
          3 August 2018 13: 04
          If you watch the traditional Japanese Iai-D fencing, it will be boring to watch. One or two hits and it's over. As effective as possible. But monstrously logical and thereby beautiful.

          hi

          And European fencing is tired of watching. Twenty minutes of "saber dance" and ... not a single hacked corpse.
          1. -1
            3 August 2018 13: 50
            The Japanese have their own concepts of beauty. Take the same hockey and caligraphy. And in "dancing" is another beauty, it can hardly be compared.
          2. 0
            5 August 2018 13: 30
            See the hema competition. Here it is real historical, and not the parody that the Tolkienists writhe.
      2. +1
        7 August 2018 14: 48
        In order to chop off the horse there is a broadsword.
      3. 0
        15 January 2022 23: 18
        The author did not notice the main difference - the saber is worn by the RK down, and the checker is carried with the cutting edge up. That is, its sharpness is preserved. The Japanese katana, which is essentially also a checker, is also worn upwards - its guard protects the hand from slipping onto the blade, and not from enemy blows.
        A checker is essentially a weapon of citizens, for self-defense against anyone and the fight against corruption, that is, a quick blow "from the scabbard".
    2. +2
      3 August 2018 12: 51
      The Japanese have the same picture. After the Meiji restoration, the samurai died and the art of wielding the sword degraded.

      As a result, by the 1930s it turned out that 1-2 officers out of 10 own the sword.

      As a result, Toyama military training was organized on the use of the sword (and bayonet) based on ancient techniques adapted to new conditions. As a result, 8 kata were selected that were optimal for a foot battle against an enemy armed with a bayonet.

      This is called Toyama Ryu. The most practical and necessary, unlike old schools, overloaded with dogma and "secret vile techniques."

      The technique of iai-jutsu is widely used - striking directly from the scabbard. This is not the cutting of air, but the cutting of real objects - makivar, imitating the human body in consistency.

      http://www.toyamaryu.org

      http://www.toyamaryu.org/CuttingVideo.htm
      1. +2
        3 August 2018 13: 52
        Everything is like everywhere else - mass came and killed art, leaving bare functionality hi
    3. +4
      5 August 2018 12: 34
      Quote: vadimtt
      Simplification is not always better, IMHO. As a result, the entire rich fencing school, developed over the centuries, was reduced to the banal “cut on the left” - “cut on the right”

      What? Rich fencing school? accumulated over the centuries? Well, it’s like not winter, but the frost grew stronger.
      1. +1
        6 August 2018 12: 05
        A problem with cognitive abilities?
        Then try instead of the word "school" to put "the total world heritage."
        1. +2
          6 August 2018 13: 39
          The total legacy of fencing peace in the Russian army when they were rearmed for checkers? ahhahahahah yes here the problems are more serious than cognitive: D: D: D
          1. +1
            6 August 2018 13: 50
            You didn’t understand me again, or I expressed my thoughts incorrectly and incomprehensibly laughing
            I just complained that what was considered art was reduced to, albeit an effective, but dull and boring monotony.
    4. 0
      1 October 2021 15: 45
      Why then is there flanking?
  2. +1
    1 August 2018 12: 49
    Based on the speed and ease of use, the checker was often carried with the blade up in the sheath, which simplified the process of removing it with the subsequent application of a chopping strike.

    How's that?
    1. +1
      1 August 2018 18: 22
      Here, here a man demonstrates the methods of snatching a checker while striking, adopted in the pre-revolutionary army charters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YecaUMLIRg
      1. +2
        3 August 2018 12: 32
        Here is your video:



        Very funny these guys in training put a sword in a scabbard. Awkward and dangerous.

        Here's how the Japanese do this fast and safe. But that:

        1. +2
          10 September 2018 08: 40
          It is such a blow that Zhukov describes in his "Memoirs and Reflections." a cavalry member of the 1st World War. So, when Zhukov began to catch up with him, he suddenly threw the reins, instantly grabbed the saber and, without looking, struck Zhukov with a backhand chopping blow. The blow was so strong that it knocked him out of the saddle, and if not for winter, Zhukov was dressed in a sheepskin coat, then it is unlikely that we had an outstanding commander ...
    2. 0
      1 August 2018 18: 34
      something like http://cdn01.ru/files/users/images/2c/ac/2cace6da
      2bcfe5399ac117cb55515360.jpg
      Well, I just can’t insert the image!
      grabbing and chopping a vertical strike in one motion
      1. 0
        3 August 2018 12: 27
        Jai Jutsu, it’s Iai-do. Work on makiwara - batto-jutsu.

    3. 0
      7 August 2018 15: 00
      Unlike the katana and sabers that need to be pulled out and with a second wave to strike with a saber, you could hit right away as you pull out, in one motion.
      1. +1
        7 August 2018 15: 30
        Katana is also possible, on the video above it is shown by the way.
  3. +1
    3 August 2018 12: 08
    ... the saber was often carried in the sheath with the blade up, which simplified the process of extracting it with the subsequent application of a chopping strike


    Not so much therefore. For a cavalryman, exposing a weapon more or less quickly was not so critical as for the Japanese, who were sitting drinking tea and in the next second delivered the only fatal blow from the scabbard using iai-jitsu technique.

    Wearing the checker with the blade up is primarily due to the need to maintain sharpening so that the blade does not come into contact with the sheath, which was also tin.

    The transition from sabers to drafts was caused, among other things, by the difference in the weight of the weapon. The American standard saber was nicknamed the "old cysteloma" for just that reason. With a difference in weight of 200-400 grams, an 800-gram checker could act faster and the cavalryman tired less in battle. Since the infantry did not wear shells and chain mail, a light checker was enough for them. Here, against a heavy cavalry, a saber or revolver was needed.
  4. +1
    3 August 2018 13: 35
    Quote: Horse, people and soul

    Twenty minutes of "saber dance" and ... not a single hacked corpse.

    So this is all the beauty - beauty, physical, women (oh, what am I talking about wassat )
    Yes, as a side effect, such work provokes the correct formation of exactly the classic male body (I do not advise girls to engage in European historical fencing precisely for this reason)
    1. 0
      3 August 2018 13: 42
      I'm here on the side of the Japanese. Be polite until the last second, but if you chop, then chop with one blow and that's it.

      Shrike horse, weighing about one and a half tons, at the withers 180 cm tall.

      http://bm.img.com.ua/nxs/img/prikol/images/large/
      7/9 / 304997_842964.jpg
  5. +7
    3 August 2018 23: 40
    One of the main differences between a checker and a saber is the method of its use in battle. The saber was intended both for delivering blows and for protection against an enemy blade. This gave certain advantages, but to a certain extent complicated the preparation of the fighter. In the case of a saber, the use of weapons was reduced to delivering a stabbing or chopping blow, while protection with a blade was not provided.

    What are you talking about?
    "a checker is an offensive chopping weapon without the use of defensive tactics and sophisticated techniques of professional saber fencing. [9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shash_(weapon)
    Is it from here? So who wrote something? The same "genius"? About the whipping of Cossack "lavas" did not hear? And how was it without the elements of fektovaniya? Since when, a saber can not defend against hitting another saber? Is it possible to repel a blow with a cleaver using another cleaver? laughing
    1. +4
      5 August 2018 12: 31
      Finally, a sensible comment!
      How do you read about iai-jutsu and about how people can fencing in the context of nonsense written by them, so you grab hold of your head.
      1. +4
        5 August 2018 12: 51
        Many of our troubles are caused by the fact that such "specialists" climb where they were not asked with their amateurish concept of the subject. I was indignant at the fact that when I was born into a Cossack family I heard tales of farm grandfathers about logging. I remember my grandfather, Matthew, who, in his 80s, freely cut into a dispute with a saber a carcass of a pig for two with one blow. His checker came to him from his grandfather and was notched from other drafts. Why, if she could not have fenced and defended? wassat laughing
        1. 0
          5 August 2018 13: 15
          Quote: Dumb
          I remember my grandfather, Matthew, who, in his 80s, freely cut open with a saber a carcass of a pig for two for one blow ...

          ... along belay
          1. +5
            6 August 2018 12: 39
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack (Roman) Yesterday, 13:15 ↑ New
            Quote: Dumb
            I remember my grandfather, Matthew, who, in his 80s, freely cut open with a saber a carcass of a pig for two for one blow ...
            ... along

            Hanging carcass from shoulder to ass. The grandfathers who fought with him in Grazhdanskaya said that he cut the cavalrymen from shoulder to saddle so that the body fell apart by two in gallop. By the way, he was neither a terrible strongman, nor a giant. According to him, for this only skill was needed. This is about the fact that drafts do not need skill, in the opinion of the "genius" who ripped off the Wikipedia article and did not have the slightest idea about the subject. hi
        2. +3
          5 August 2018 13: 23
          Quote: Dumb
          Why, if she could not have fenced and defended?

          I agree. It is enough just to read the instructions of the artillery committee on sharpening checkers, and it will become clear that the checker was not only chopped, but also beaten off.
        3. +3
          5 August 2018 14: 16
          Perhaps there was a secret decree - in no case to defend oneself. And only our "specialists" fencers with a bias know about him.
  6. +1
    4 August 2018 18: 35
    Strange article. The findings are inconclusive.
  7. +3
    5 August 2018 13: 56
    Something I do not understand either the article or most of the comments. Do you think exactly before writing?
    the article says that rearmament was at the end of the 19th century. In 1881, the conversion of the bulk to checkers.
    In the same article, for the gifted, it is written that as early as the beginning of the 19th century, firearms were firmly entrenched in the battlefields and by the end the cold weapons generally receded into the background. That’s all, you don’t need to understand something, to learn, or to go somewhere. The author of the article wrote all that is needed. But even they couldn’t read it and raved.
    What is a rich fencing school? The peasant who became a soldier ??? No, really? Do officers have a few percent? So they could still have any weapon they like. Is checker a dead end? Seriously? Or maybe heavy armor? Why then used them before? :)
    Look at the attack of the cavalry of that time - this is a raid, 1-2 strike and that's it. What kind of fencing?
    The point of switching to checkers was that sabers were simply not needed.
    With elements of the historical you could know that.

    I apologize for some sharpness, but for me really a lot was a shock and this is not some kind of turnover.
    1. +2
      5 August 2018 14: 42
      Quote: Red_Baron
      What is a rich fencing school? The peasant who became a soldier ???

      Maybe a man wrote about the Cossacks? In fact, there were textbooks on fencing on sabers, drafts, spades, bayonets.
      Quote: Red_Baron
      Look at the attack of the cavalry of that time - this is a raid, 1-2 strike and that's it. What kind of fencing?

      This is where, sorry, look?
      1. +1
        5 August 2018 16: 45
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Maybe a man wrote about the Cossacks? In fact, there were textbooks on fencing on sabers, drafts, spades, bayonets.

        Perhaps, but the article was about rearmament, which means more about those who were armed, about the army. Cossacks armed somewhat more freely in terms of battle. And the events were different in time and place. During the wars with the Asians - there, apparently, yes, there was more of the fencing, if we talk about close combat.
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        This is where, sorry, look?

        On a time machine.
        The word fell out - the description, transfer was meant. Everywhere there are stories about shooting - rifles, fittings and other things. And of course artillery.
        1. +1
          5 August 2018 17: 06
          Quote: Red_Baron
          Cossacks armed somewhat more freely in terms of battle.

          The Cossacks didn’t accept rearmament at all, pulled the bull by the tail, as a result of which the decree of 1909 appeared: "Cossacks cannot choose to choose weapons ...". This is with regards to checkers. The author bypassed this moment.
          Quote: Red_Baron
          On a time machine.

          I do not have. laughing
          Quote: Red_Baron
          Everywhere there are stories about shooting - rifles, fittings and other things. And of course, artillery

          Shoot now. And saber-sabers have not been massively massacred for almost a hundred years. And stories from third parties are a little annoying.
          1. +2
            5 August 2018 18: 03
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Shoot now. And saber-sabers have not been massively massacred for almost a hundred years. And stories from third parties are a little annoying.

            Today is probably the day - I started to write about one thing, then I continued without adding it. He cited the wars of that time, including the Crimean one, as an example.
            Well, third-party stories are certainly not so interesting. But on the other hand there is no alternative.
            I just don’t know, maybe you are a historian yourself. But it will be difficult for any other who does not have a specific education and special knowledge to understand and evaluate the sources. By the way, because of this, in some films and series, with a claim to historicity, there are so many annoying moments.
            1. +1
              5 August 2018 18: 13
              Quote: Red_Baron
              I just don’t know, maybe you are a historian yourself.

              No, it’s just a fan of knives, about drafts, he himself wrote an article, shoveled a huge pile of literature, comparing facts and sifting husks, but it all ended up that my laptop burned out, and I abandoned this matter.
              1. +2
                5 August 2018 18: 25
                I sympathize, if I write the answer, climbing and checking the sources, spending a lot of time to prove a thought - an error occurs and my words are not added. It kills me, even if I remember almost everything literally, I don’t have the strength to rewrite often. :) But when the article, it is many times more offensive.
                Write, new, under inspiration. After all, even on the same topic of drafts or sabers, dozens of articles can be written and all will be different. And everyone will be interesting.
                1. 0
                  5 August 2018 18: 36
                  Quote: Red_Baron
                  Write, new, under inspiration.

                  Well, no, I’ve been climbing sources for a month, I climbed into such Internet jungle that from six months ago, in a dispute, I had been looking for a table of import of checkered blades for several hours, compared to production in RI, and I didn’t find a shisha. Climbing a month again - something dreary. It hurts a lot to restore bit by bit, but there is no desire anymore. I don’t want to engage in idle talk.
          2. +3
            6 August 2018 12: 49
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Shoot now. And saber-sabers have not been massively massacred for almost a hundred years. And stories from third parties are a little annoying.

            He chopped a pig, he saw it when he was a kid for 6-7 years. Perhaps I am one of the last eyewitnesses to this art of cutting.
    2. +1
      6 August 2018 12: 41
      Quote: Red_Baron
      Look at the attack of the cavalry of that time - this is a raid, 1-2 strike and that's it. What kind of fencing?
      The point of switching to checkers was that sabers were simply not needed.

      Does Rimbo steer? Have you seen enough, do you have an al time machine? laughing
  8. 0
    19 October 2018 16: 29
    It took not a new weapon, but a cheap weapon. How did checkers prove to be in battle against sabers?
  9. 0
    20 October 2018 23: 25
    Prince V Trubetskoy: "Cuirassier Notes". In 1913, after being promoted to officer L-Guards. Her Majesty's Cuirassier regiment, the aforementioned Trubetskoy, at his own expense, bought an officer's broadsword (dress uniform for the formation), a sword and a saber. The checker is for everyday use, which means it is for combat.
  10. 0
    5 February 2019 23: 06
    The military parade on June 24, 1945 is a triumph of the victorious people, the military art of the Soviet commanders, all the Armed Forces, their fighting spirit. Ahead of the combined regiments of the fronts were the commanders of the fronts and armies. Among them was Ivan Tikhonovich Grishin. Here he is, among the commanders of the armies of the 2nd Belorussian Front, the third from the right with a saber in the photo of the parade. See the article about him at http://dedusenko.at.ua/publ/2-1-0-7

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