You do not need to memorize, you can google. Tips from the luminaries of education

“I may rudely say, but stupid memory is no longer needed, you can always ... google it.”

This maxim belongs to one of the representatives of the Higher School of Economics, Viktor Bolotov, the man who heads the Institute of Education of the Higher School of Economics. Previously, he was directly involved in the development of educational standards. He was the deputy head of the Ministry of Education and Science, as well as the head of the Federal Service for Supervision in the Field of Science and Education. Awarded the Order of Honor and government awards.

It is these people who today determine the trends in Russian education, knocking the young into the immature mindset that they don’t need their own head - everything can be simply found on the Internet, even if we are talking about the basic knowledge of a pilot, a surgeon or a teacher himself.

The situation in flight is critical, and the pilot, according to the method of Viktor Bolotov, begins to google, as he later will manage the winged machine.

Bolotov:

Sociability and creativity are more important for a student than knowledge of the Viet theorem.

If you go back to the example with a pilot, then in a critical situation he may not know which aircraft’s “button” is responsible for the specific action of the engine, wing mechanization, etc., it’s enough to be creative and sociable - go out to the passengers and talk about the weather overboard. Suddenly useful.

Such concepts today are trying to be implemented in our schools, and in order to promote them they invent the most beautiful formulations and references to the most “developed” countries in terms of education.

Does this lead to the fact that there are outstanding results at international competitions? Not. These results are brought about by the fact that teachers remain in the country, who send all the innovations from the specialists described above into the trash can, continuing to teach in such a way that it will actually produce results, and not on a piece of paper.

The situation is described in more detail in the "Agitprop" program of Konstantin Semin:

Comments

[Tatyana]

Yeah! According to the methods of provocateurs and agents of foreign influence from the Higher School of Economics, according to the methods of provocateurs and agents of foreign influence from the HSE, neoliberal school education in the Russian Federation has long been a growing disgust in Russian society.

From the point of view of national security of Russia, all this HSE’s political and economically subversive activity in the Russian Federation, as a forge of training the colonial personnel in the country for the pro-American administration of the colonized Russian Federation on the initiative educational methods of the international “democrat” philanthropist and financial speculator Soros, is time to CLOSE!

[mkop]

What should be brought to automatism should be memorized (I'm talking about an example with a pilot in an article). But there is a huge layer of knowledge that does not require blunt cramming. I would even say that stupid cramming - an extremely harmful thing - it teaches you to remember, not analyze and derive more from the small.
And yes, I also agree with what is said about the formulas. In most cases, few people need to know the formulas by heart, you need to know how to apply them, how to get them out. Just by learning the formulas - it’s unlikely that they can be applied in practice. We must at least understand what this formula is about, and not remember where which letters stand.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

“I may rudely say, but stupid memory is no longer needed, you can always ... google it.”
This adage belongs to one of the representatives of the Higher School of Economics Viktor Bolotov, the person who heads the Institute of Education at the Higher School of Economics.

for slaves, enough if allowed to the computer. HSE is a breeding ground for traitors.

[MPN]

Quote: mkop

You need to at least understand what this formula is about.

Google to help you

[Masya masya]

At this rate, we will soon google what color the sky is ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Masya Masya

we will soon google what color the sky ..

this can hardly be verified very easily ...
but what’s hard to verify .... for example: victims of Stalin / Putin’s / yet any other repressions ... etc ....
you can even change the story!

[mkop]

You can also change history without the Internet. Books are also not always a reliable source of information, a teacher is also not always a reliable source of information (because he always has his own opinion on the topic, and he can drive it into the heads of students). In general, with the reliability of the information is very complex information. Personally, I trust 100% only what I saw myself, and not otherwise, the rest, in my opinion, needs to be questioned.

[gridasov]

Alas, even what a person sees with his own eyes is an illusion transformed by the brain into what he is able to see, and not what he really sees.

[mkop]

Why then learn and do something, since all is an illusion?

[gridasov]

This is your personal choice, what to do and how. The question is also what we mean by illusion. Illusion is not exactly a deception or a distorted idea of ​​reality. This is literally an individual view of events. A view that is due to the influence of one’s individual and worldview and worldview and a set of other features that are unique to individuality.

[NEOZ]

Quote: mkop

only what he saw, and in no other way, the rest, in my opinion, must be questioned.

and if you saw a dramatization?
changing the text engraved on a rock is very difficult.
changing text in old books is difficult.
change the text on the site as easy as shelling pears!

[mkop]

The text in old books with the same success can only reflect the fiction of the author, exactly the same amount of truth can be in the texts on the rock.
About the staging. No one can be trusted, everything is pointless with such an approach. Learn too. Everything that a person does, a book, text on a rock ... in general, everything passes through the prism of the author’s vision, and then it’s not worth talking about any kind of objectivity.
You can bring anything to the point of absurdity. Let's give up everything, from searching for information on the Internet (one damn thing is doubtful there), from encyclopedias that are printed (after all, information is easy to fake), from textbooks that are copied every year. And we will live in the Stone Age. Is that what you want? And actually then, who told you that your truth is better than the truth of someone else?
Useless conversation in general. As they used everything they can to search for information, they will be so, and it is unlikely that anyone will succeed in stopping it, and if it succeeds, then there will be a nation of inferior fools.

[NEOZ]

Quote: mkop

You can bring anything to the point of absurdity.

You can also change history without the Internet. Books are also not always a reliable source of information, a teacher is also not always a reliable source of information (because he always has his own opinion on the topic, and he can drive it into the heads of students). In general, with the reliability of the information is very complex information.

Quote: mkop

No one can be trusted, everything is pointless with such an approach.

Personally, I trust 100% only what I saw myself, and not otherwise, the rest, in my opinion, needs to be questioned.

[mkop]

Why are you doing this?
Do you think books are a reliable source of information? Do you offer me not to believe yourself or something? I'm not so crazy.
Take history books that were written during the Soviet Union, and history books that were written after the collapse. Where will the truth be? Often, they have opposing views on events. But these are still books. How then can one speak of reliability?
And yes, you can bring anything to the point of absurdity that you are doing now, assuring me that books are a source of truthful information. Although I question it. Another example in the topic: in many Western books, it is written that the USSR merely helped the Western coalition in the fight against fascists, and the role of the USSR in the victory over fascists is secondary. This is a book, but this does not mean that the truth is written in it.
Do not turn into a fanatic, stupidly believing that somewhere there is an absolute truth.

[gridasov]

You quite rightly point out that you need to be in a good sense an egoist and leave the right of last resort for conclusions to yourself. At the same time, give yourself the rationale for why the conclusion is such. In this case, it is worth saying that the conclusion will be based solely on the analysis of how many and what qualitative prerequisites for this conclusion will be used.

[Vadim237]

Make a logical conclusion yourself: from what you have read, told and seen.

[NEOZ]

Quote: mkop

Why are you doing this?

And yes, you can bring anything to the point of absurdity, which you are doing now

Quote: mkop

assuring me that books are a source of truthful information

changing the text engraved on a rock is very difficult.
changing text in old books is difficult.
change the text on the site as easy as shelling pears!
where am I assuring you of something here?
I wrote only that information on the network can be relatively easily replaced / updated, unlike, for example, books or cave texts ....
ps
there is no truth, there are opinions ... and facts ...

[gridasov]

You see, ancient artifacts for scientists have not so much the objective meaning of describing what is meant in the text, but also a method of description and a set of signs that do not have a direct identity of what is described, but which are more important. For example, the same pictograms in the margins are not clear to us in the specifics and objectivity of what they mean. However, they are of much greater importance in another sense. I will not write about this yet

[mkop]

It was generally about the reliability of the information, and not about what it matters to scientists. We cannot judge reliability at all. I did not argue that rock painting or crop circles are of great value to history. But again, we can judge the reliability only in this way: someone once (approximate age can be determined by carbon analysis) made such and such a record. But we can’t judge in principle whether to say the truth in this record or not. We can simply say that this record is and no more. Look at the Indians and Egyptians about all kinds of dishes flying and other game wrote, but I am tormented by vague doubts about the reliability of these records.

[NEOZ]

Quote: mkop

It was actually about the reliability of the information.

No, it was about the ease of replacing information on the network regarding other types of information storage, in particular books and cave paintings ... for clarity!

[mkop]

To change the story that was originally discussed - to change its meaning, change the facts, often write about what was not there, or write strictly from one bell tower. How will you change history without distorting the facts, without making them unreliable?

[kitt409]

"" ... How will you change history without distorting the facts, without making them unreliable? "- well, so our" partners "in their textbooks already assign the role of the USSR in the Second World War to no more than a couple of pages — they simply SLEEP OUT ...

[Vanek]

Quote: NEOZ

in old books

Burning books is bad. Even worse, do not read them. *

[XXXIII]

Quote: Masya Masya

At this rate, we will soon google what color the sky is ...

And then can we even google ....

[Vanek]

Quote: Masya Masya

Such rates

At this rate, Marina, our grandchildren will buy oil for beads and colored glass.

Marina

[Sadko88]

Good, you need to go to the Internet on passes

[gridasov]

In mathematics analysis, there is the concept of event density. Therefore, if the brain is not limited in the perception of any information, then it can be taught to work with large volumes of information, besides diverse and polarized in perception information. The brain is a kind of computer that you need and can control and expand the potential of its work.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Sadko88

you need to go to the Internet on passes

And in some cases (as in VO) - it’s better generally according to the passport. And then from the beginning of June the site was simply attacked by hordes of schoolchildren. Now, however, it has slightly resolved ...

[sib.ataman]

These Swamp Kolyma degenerates have been waiting! There is no one to raise local creativity in your free time!

[gridasov]

Living in an environment with large volumes of information passing through requires new methods for its analysis. It is necessary to use both objective analysis and process analysis. Procedural means to consider any objective event as an algorithm in the dynamics of its transformation. In other words, from binary logic to multi-polar.

[vladimirvn]

It is not enough to have information, you need to be able to apply it. So that makes sense.

[gridasov]

More precisely, how to use the information that will be available and access to it will be easy and affordable and timely. That is, we are again talking about the mathematical identity of the processes associated with the movement of information in the brain. Therefore, if the objectivity of the perceived information in the initial period of learning the method is identified with the mathematical principle of its distribution and movement in space, then you can work with the analysis of deeper processes. Then Google and others are very useful

[Ryazan87]

As always, they took the phrase out of context:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3694363
The author of the article writes: “everything can be easily found on the Internet, even if we are talking about the basic knowledge of a pilot, surgeon or the teacher himself. The flight situation is critical, and the pilot, according to the method of Victor Bolotov, begins to google how he will later control the winged machine. "
Meanwhile, Bolotov claims exactly the opposite:
"... I am not against school trigonometry, but only if the purpose of its study is not memorizing formulas, but learning to work with formal objects in formal ways. This ability is always useful. The simplest example is working with gadgets. This is working with formal objects in formal ways. "
Those. just so that the pilot knows firmly which button to press in which situation.
Moreover, the "damned neoliberal" is based on the development of a completely Soviet era:
".... Already in the middle of the last century they began to say that the school should be taught to think. Famous Soviet philosophers, psychologists and educators spoke about this: Evald Ilyenkov (Soviet philosopher, specialist in the theory of knowledge, 1924-1979), Vasily Davydov (Soviet and a Russian teacher and psychologist, 1930–1998), Daniil Elkonin (Soviet psychologist and teacher, 1904–1984) ..... Essentially speaking, back in Soviet times, approaches to solving some of the problems posed above were proposed. Evald Ilyenkov wrote in his manifesto “School must teach think "(1964). Educational materials were developed in the framework of the theory of developing education Elkonin-Davydov."
So first you need to read the whole article and make sense, and not advertise the “propaganda”.

[Weyland]

Maybe I’ll say rudely, but stupid memory is no longer needed, you can always ... google it. "
The pilot really has to bring his actions to full automatism. The thing is different. Ryazanets87 absolutely right -

Quote: Ryazanets87

School must learn to think

There is an old joke:
“- What should a student know?” “That's it!” “And what should a laboratory assistant know?” “Almost the same as a student.” “A Graduate student? - In which book is what the student should know. - Docent? - Where is this book. - Professor? - Where is the assistant professor. "
The essence of the joke is that at a certain stage in his career, the scientist ends and the administrator begins - these are the majority of professors. And the main skill of a scientist is the skill of a graduate student / associate professor - ability to work with literature - not just read, but understand written and wisely use in my own work. Nowadays, students were specially taught to competently "work with literature", and now ...
By the way, most of the useful books posted on the Web are scanned bwithout text recognition - with the help of "Google" alone it is almost impossible to find out in which book is what the student should know!

[kitt409]

Everything is as usual, like some kind of muck about education, so without HSE it could not do ...
And about googling, I watched a couple of times that a person, enthusiastically quoting something on a smartphone, suddenly fell silent literally half a word - once I had the opportunity to ask - what happened, it turns out the Internet just disappeared

[tank64rus]

HSE is a bunch of Western influence agents. And science as well as education there is a round zero.

[Lenur]

Day, gradually, toward evening!
The sun, in the clouds, playing hide and seek!
The syllable says: "The feeling will not break,
And your compass heart is fine! "
But science flickers with diplomas:
"Didn't teach - don't scratch your backs!"
More important than diplomas, I believe
A vivid image of the whole picture!

[Digital error]

The example is incorrect, since the pilot's reaction, firstly, requires skill, and secondly, knowledge of the button. This is not the level of education, but the required level of automatism in order to avoid disaster. But on the whole I agree with the opinion of the author. Regarding Semin, I fully support him. Knows how, "rogue", to make people. Therefore, before the elections, his program Agitprop is removed from the air (check the time of the episodes - it's easy). Painfully sharp as a Caucasian adzhika. And it hits the point. It will be banned soon, which is a pity. And about the elitism of education, I removed a talented trilogy with public money - I recommend it. If they were superfluous, I would give everything to him. The State Duma needs it. And quickly, until they asked for the Soviet legacy at all.