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Why did Japan not attack the Soviet Union

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War in the Pacific - a separate and very dramatic page in stories Second World War. As you know, on December 7, 1941, the Japanese maritime aviation struck at the American naval base Pearl Harbor in the Hawaiian Islands. Six hours later, US President Franklin Roosevelt decided to start a war against Japan in the Pacific. The confrontation between Japan on the one hand, the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand on the other hand, lasted four years. But the Soviet Union entered the war against Japan only in the summer of 1945, after Hitler Germany was defeated. Why didn’t the Soviet-Japanese war begin earlier and what prevented the empire of the Rising Sun from attacking the Soviet Union in the same 1941? After all, if the Japanese had opened a second front in the Far East and in Eastern Siberia, Hitler would have been rendered invaluable service.


In fact, after a series of clashes with the Soviet Union in the 1930s, Tokyo did not want to transform the already tense relations with Moscow into an open military conflict. Despite the fact that the USSR was a natural rival of Japan in the struggle for influence in China, on the Korean Peninsula, in Mongolia, clashes with the Soviet Union in Tokyo clearly did not want. This is evidenced by a number of facts. Japan never entered the war against the Soviet Union in June 1941, although it was linked to Germany and Italy by allied relations. For example, the same Italians who had no real reasons for war with our country fought against the Soviet Union, the Spanish division, the Croatian units fought on the eastern front, but Japan, which had numerous territorial claims against the USSR, refused to enter the war.



13 on April 1941, a couple of months before Hitler’s Germany attacked the Soviet Union, a very interesting event happened in Moscow - Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Japanese Empire Yosuke Matsuoka and People’s Commissar of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov signed a Pact on neutrality between USSR and Japan. It was already clear to everyone that the matter was headed for a war between Germany and the Soviet Union, and Japanese politicians were no exception. But why did the Japanese need to sign a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union at such a difficult moment? There is a version that Tokyo was very unhappy about the non-aggression pact signed by Hitler Germany at the time of the Soviet-Japanese conflict on the Khalkhin Gol River. They say that the vindictive Eastern people decided to take revenge on Berlin by signing the Neutrality Pact on the eve of the Soviet-German war. However, in a big politics, offenses of this kind can hardly play a decisive role. Tokyo was guided by completely different considerations.

Unlike the Fuhrer of the Third Reich and its fanatical environment, the Japanese leadership reasoned much more sensibly. Japan soberly assessed the enormous potential of the Soviet Union, due to its vast territories and population, and perfectly understood that Hitler Germany would not win the war against the USSR. Therefore, the Japanese leadership did not want to get involved in Hitler's adventure. The advantages of Japan in the Pacific were largely due to the actions of the imperial fleethowever, in the event of a war with the Soviet Union, they would quickly come to naught - Japanese troops would have to fight in the vast expanses of Eastern Siberia and the Far East, where the samurai would certainly be bogged down even more than the Nazis in the west of the Soviet country. Tokyo understood this and did not want to risk it.

Secondly, for Japan, events in East and Southeast Asia were of much greater interest. The Land of the Rising Sun saw itself as the hegemon of the Asia-Pacific region and hoped to free Indochina, the Malay Archipelago, the Philippines, and the islands of Oceania from European domination, at the same time subjecting China to its influence. But in China, Japan was bogged down in the 1930s for a long time. Despite the cardinal superiority in armaments, in the training of troops, in technology, the population of China and its large spaces still played a role.

Against this background, the beginning of the war against the Soviet Union, which joined China from the north and west, would be a suicidal step for Japan. In China, Japan quickly realized what it means to wage war in large spaces and against a country that surpasses Japan in size by many times. Very quickly, the Japanese command felt a shortage of personnel in order to simultaneously conduct military operations in various directions and control the occupied territories. In addition, there were major problems with the provision of Japanese troops with fuel, ammunition, and food. The Japanese forces were unable to block all the routes by which Soviet, American and British military aid was delivered to China.



In addition to China, Japan was interested in very important economically and strategically territories of Southeast and South Asia. In Tokyo, they were well aware that the multi-million population of Indochina, Indonesia and Malaya, the Philippines, and India was extremely dissatisfied with the domination of the European colonialists. Therefore, back in 1930-s. Japan began to build relations with the anti-colonial movements of British India, French Indochina, the Netherlands East Indies (Indonesia), and also with the authorities of Thailand - the only sovereign state of the region at that time.

But if the resistance of the Dutch and French colonial troops could be suppressed very easily, the British looked like a much more serious opponent, especially considering the assistance from the United States. In fact, by 1941, it was the United States that remained the force that could hinder the implementation of Japanese plans to establish dominance in the Asia-Pacific region. Therefore, Japan and decided to attack the US naval base. Strictly speaking, this was also a suicidal step, since, as in the case of the USSR, the forces of Japan and the United States were also incomparable, considering that Great Britain and the numerous British dominions and colonies fought on the side of the United States in the Pacific. Thus, Japan itself dug its own grave, entering the war against a deliberately stronger opponent.

The war against the Americans and the British, unleashed by the Japanese imperialists in the Pacific, was advantageous to the Soviet Union. Now the Japanese troops were guaranteed to be engaged, bogged down in the fighting on the Pacific Islands and in Indochina. With the help of the Kwantung Army alone, Japan could not commit aggression against the USSR. Meanwhile, in Nazi Germany, they continued to hope that the Eastern Axis ally would still support Berlin and Rome and attack the Soviet Far East. It is possible that these considerations guided Hitler, declaring war on the United States. But Japan did not attack the Soviet Union, and there was not even a formal declaration of war. Of course, Moscow was forced to hold significant military forces in the Far East and Siberia, but the loyalty of Tokyo to the Neutrality Pact greatly helped the USSR.

Of course, Japan had the opportunity to start a war against the Soviet Union. In the autumn of 1941, when the Red Army defended Moscow with the greatest exertion of forces, Japan could attack the Far East, instantly putting the Soviet Union in a very difficult position. But they didn’t dare to make such a risky adventure in Tokyo. After all, if Japan attacked the USSR in the autumn of 1941 or at the beginning of 1942, it would have found itself in a war situation on three fronts - against the Anglo-Americans in the Pacific, against China and against the Soviet Union. It turns out that the position of Tokyo would have become more complicated than even that of Nazi Germany. The Japanese leadership could not go for it.

Why did Japan not attack the Soviet Union


But if the attack did happen, Japan would still not have a chance to stand against the Soviet Union. The main forces of the Japanese army and navy since the winter of 1941 have been engaged in combat operations in the Pacific. Japan fought in Indochina, Indonesia, the Philippines, the Solomon Islands, Micronesia — and everywhere, not only strike units, but also garrisons were needed to protect the occupied territories. In addition, huge Japanese troops continued to fight in China, where the guerrilla movement was activated.

Directly against the USSR, Tokyo could have been abandoned only by the famous Kwantung Army, stationed in Manchuria. The 1941 — 1943 in Manchuria and Korea deployed 15 Japanese divisions with a total strength of approximately 700 thousand troops. In addition, the armed forces of the puppet states of Manchukuo and Menjiang were under the operational control of the Japanese command, but they would hardly be worth considering as serious opponents.



Since at first the Kwantung Army was recruited and supplied according to the residual principle, very serious problems for it were the poor level of training of personnel and outdated weapons. At least half of the Kwantung Army personnel were either unexplained recruits without combat experience, or civilians of senior age groups called up for military service. The Kwantung Army was not considered a prestigious duty station for the officer corps either.

The Soviet Union could oppose the Kwantung Army from 32 in June, 1941 to 49 in July, 1942, in the calculated divisions. The seriousness of the USSR’s intentions was confirmed by the creation of the 1 July 1940 of the Far Eastern Front and the 15 of September 1941 of the Trans-Baikal Front. By 1941, the number of troops on the Far Eastern Front reached 500 thousand, and about 600 thousand more were in the Trans-Baikal Front units and formations. The Pacific Fleet and the Red Banner Amur Flotilla were under the operational control of the Far Eastern Front. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, the Far Eastern Front was to act on the coast of the Pacific Ocean, the Trans-Baikal Front — on the Mongolian and Manchurian directions.

In addition, the Mongolian People’s Republic would inevitably side with the USSR. The units and formations of the People’s Revolutionary Army of Mongolia were under the operational control of the command of the Trans-Baikal Front. The Soviet-Japanese war of 1945 of the year showed that the Mongolian troops, despite their relative small size, were nevertheless well prepared and able to adequately fight against the Japanese. If Japan attacked the USSR, in the Far East and Eastern Siberia, the guerrilla movement would inevitably develop, and the landscape of the area and the greater extent of the territories would allow the partisans to develop even more extensively than in the west of the country.

Finally, the beginning of the war with Japan would finally untie the hands of the Soviet Union in terms of supporting the Chinese armies who fought 1937 of the year against the Japanese aggressors. As for the training of personnel and the provision of armaments, the Soviet Union made a very big leap over even the period of the conflict at Khalkhin Gol. In Tokyo, this was also well understood, given that Japanese intelligence always worked well and regularly supplied the command with information about improving the army and navy of a potential enemy.

Interestingly, plans to start a war against the USSR in Tokyo were still discussed. Strange as it may seem, one of the supporters of the attack on the Soviet Union was the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the empire Yosuke Matsuoka, who signed the Neutrality Pact in 1941. He believed that Japan does not necessarily adhere to agreements, but it is worth making decisions based on specific situations. The Japanese command during the Second World War even doubled the number of the Kwantung Army, mobilizing reservists, but the attack on the USSR did not happen.

Joseph Stalin at the Yalta Conference promised the Western allies to start a war against Japan two to three months after the end of the war against Hitler Germany. By this time, it was already clear that Berlin could hold out no more than a few months, after which it would be the turn of Japan. This was well understood in Tokyo, so Japanese diplomats tried to start negotiations with the USSR so that Moscow would act as a mediator between Tokyo and the Western powers. But the Soviet Union was adamant in its position. 26 July, 1945, the United States, Britain and China demanded unconditional surrender from Japan. This requirement was not satisfied, after which the USSR declared war on Japan. The Soviet-Japanese war was, as you know, short-lived and lasted less than a month - from August 9 to September 2 1945. The Kwantung Army was completely crushed, and the political situation in East and Southeast Asia as a result of the defeat of Japan changed dramatically.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 30 July 2018 06: 27
    +1
    Why didn’t the Soviet-Japanese war begin earlier and what prevented the empire of the Rising Sun from attacking the Soviet Union in the same 1941?

    The answer is obvious: Japan did not attack because
    On December 7, 1941, Japanese naval aviation attacked the American naval base Pearl Harbor in the Hawaiian Islands.


    The contradictions with the USA were much more serious than with the USSR. And to fight on three fronts was suicide.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 July 2018 07: 13
      +4
      Not everything is so simple. Our Japs could not guess by thinking, and our Pacific Fleet was this guarantee. My cousin went to serve in the Pacific Fleet 3 years before the war, and returned from the army after the war. So he said: they kept the Japs.
      Thanks for the story, Ilya!
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 07: 26
        +16
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Our Japs could not guess by thinking, and our Pacific Fleet was this guarantee.

        W ... what? :)))) Do you think that 2 leaders, 12 destroyers, 91 submarines and about 500 aircraft could guarantee something against 10 aircraft carriers, 10 battleships, 35 cruisers, 111 destroyers, 64 submarines and 1500 planes? :)
        The Japanese did not perceive our Pacific Fleet at all as some kind of fighting force and did at sea what they wanted, including the detention of civil courts and so on.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 July 2018 08: 01
          0
          Could, could not, but for some reason they were there, Andrei. The Japs always wanted to expand at the expense of the mainland ... True, then they were interested in another direction. .... Do not attack, so the chip went down.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 08: 47
            +12
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Could, could not, but for some reason they were there, Andrei

            Who are they?:)))
            Quote: Reptiloid
            True, then they were interested in another direction. .... Do not attack, so the chip went down.

            Yes, that’s not the point. In Japan of those years, 2 was driven by political forces - the army and navy. The army slightly lost ground because of its inability to deal with China, and at this time the FDR announced an embargo on the supply of oil to Japan.
            As a matter of fact, after that the issue of the war with the USSR (which the army advocated) was not on the agenda, because it is impossible to fight without oil, either at sea or on land. The question was whether it would be possible to agree with the United States on lifting the embargo, or not. Further, the well-known "Hull ultimatum" (oil supplies will resume only if Japan leaves the mainland), it was obviously impossible to agree and Japan attacked the United States - they had no choice.
            That is, it is clear that Japan is an aggressor and all that, but their war with the United States is a merit of US diplomacy :)))
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 30 July 2018 10: 13
              +2
              "" They "" ---- these are our sailors. Thanks for the clarification, Andrey. Slightly deviating from the topic, but in the sequel. And what do you think about the words that by selling oil later at reduced prices, the USSR contributed to the post-war development of Japan and the FRG? I don’t remember where I read ...
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 13: 26
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                And what do you think about the words that by selling oil later at reduced prices, the USSR contributed to the post-war development of Japan and the FRG?

                Yes, I confess I don’t remember that. And then - there is another important question, perhaps the USSR was selling oil at a low price, but what and how much did it buy at the same time?
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 30 July 2018 13: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  And what do you think about the words that by selling oil later at reduced prices, the USSR contributed to the post-war development of Japan and the FRG?

                  Yes, I confess I don’t remember that. And then - there is another important question, perhaps the USSR was selling oil at a low price, but what and how much did it buy at the same time?

                  Under Brezhnev, our oil delivered to Rotterdam was usually resold 5 times a day. That is, we sold at least one and a half times lower than the market.
                  And they bought something at a price higher than the market, because they were driving export-import of someone's kids. Here you and incompetence and venality in one bottle.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 30 July 2018 15: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Captain Pushkin
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                    Yes, I confess I don’t remember that. And then - there is another important question, perhaps the USSR was selling oil at a low price, but what and how much did it buy at the same time?

                    Under Brezhnev, our oil flowing to Rotterdam, ......

                    Honestly, what I bought, I did not think about it. But it began under Khrushchev. Gradually, a layer of employees began to appear, which built its relations with the West. I will recall and clarify how what.
              2. Alexander Trebuntsev
                Alexander Trebuntsev 30 July 2018 13: 37
                +6
                The USSR did not sell oil after the war, much less at reduced prices. Everything that was sold went to the socialist camp, and even then in small quantities. Purely symbolic help. Massively began to sell oil after the monetary reform of Khrushchev. Then for this purpose the ruble was specially devalued and the sale of raw materials became economically profitable. After that, everywhere in the press, and in school programs, they began to say that we are super rich in minerals and can always trade them. Read about the monetary reform of 1960-1961.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 30 July 2018 15: 49
                  0
                  Dear Alexander Trebuntsev, I read your comment later, a little. Thank you. About the reform it is completely incomprehensible. Apparently because I am confused with those prices ....
                  1. Alexander Trebuntsev
                    Alexander Trebuntsev 31 July 2018 06: 57
                    +1
                    There is a lot of information about the reform. Read at least here. https://www.anaga.ru/r1961.htm
                    There, with oil prices in the table at the end, and indeed what this reform was like. And it is customary to call the Stalin reform of 1947 predatory, namely, the Stalin reform was well thought out and the people prepared for it for about two years.
            2. avt
              avt 30 July 2018 19: 29
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              That is, it is clear that Japan is an aggressor and all that, but their war with the United States is a merit of US diplomacy :)))

              ,, Flight through the Years "by Kondratiev. This time. Stalin PERSONALLY Matsuoku escorted to the station, moreover, this was not observed from the word at all. So the braid was not only there
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              merit of US diplomacy :)))
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: avt
                Stalin PERSONALLY Matsuoku escorted to the station, and more recently this was not observed from the word at all.

                And what's the difference? :))) By the way, Matsuoka was in every possible favor for the war with the USSR, but he was dismissed along with Konoe’s cabinet, on which his influence on politics ended.
                1. avt
                  avt 31 July 2018 09: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  Who cares?:)))

                  The East is something soooo!
                  bully ,, Asian "Stalin understood this very well.
          2. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 30 July 2018 20: 19
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            The Japs always wanted to expand at the expense of the mainland.

            Chinese yes, but the Soviet one is unlikely. 1938-1939 years clearly defined the areas of interest of both empires.
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 30 July 2018 10: 47
          +6
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          The Japanese did not perceive our Pacific Fleet at all as some kind of fighting force and did at sea what they wanted, including the detention of civil courts and so on.

          Well, this can be read from Shirokorad "The Cruiser that Khrushchev destroyed," No, not about Khrushchev, he was nobody before the war, but they did a good job about what the Japanese did in our Far Eastern seas and the Germans when they closed Laperuzov, Sangarsky and Korean for swimming straits, actually blocking the already difficult supplies in the eastern section of Lend-Lease. As one of the charges against the Japanese side, the Soviet side put forward the allegation that from 1941 to 1945. Japan's fleet detained 178 ships and sank 18, inflicting 637 million rubles in losses on the neutral USSR.

          The tribunal accepted the information of the USSR, and the section "Obstacles posed by the Japanese to Soviet shipping" was introduced in the sentence. He said: “The prosecution claims and the evidence provided confirms that, despite Japan’s commitment to neutrality, Soviet efforts in the war were seriously limited by Japanese obstruction of Soviet shipping in the Far East. In particular, there is evidence that Soviet ships were in Hong Kong in 1941. anchored were clearly identifiable but were shelled and one was sunk. That same month Soviet ships were sunk by bombs of Japanese aircraft. That many Soviet ships were illegally arrested by Japanese naval ships, delivered to Japanese ports and detained for long time period.
          Finally, it is accused that the Japanese closed the Sangarsky Strait and forced Soviet vessels to use other, less suitable and more dangerous approaches to the coast of the Far East. It is stated that all this was done to impede the USSR in the war with Germany, in violation of Japan’s obligations under the Neutrality Pact to prepare Japan for the war against the USSR. "Https://navy-chf.livejournal.com/3248584.html
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 13: 27
            +3
            Quote: Amurets
            as one of the charges against the Japanese side, the Soviet side put forward the assertion that from 1941 to 1945. Japan's fleet detained 178 ships and sank 18, inflicting losses on the 637 million rubles to the neutral USSR.

            That's it ... Samurai are completely brutalized
        3. naidas
          naidas 30 July 2018 22: 37
          +1
          There was already an article in VO dated 21.04.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX, one of the reasons for raw materials from Northern Sakhalin.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 July 2018 18: 49
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich
      The contradictions with the USA were much more serious than with the USSR. And to fight on three fronts was suicide.

      It's not a matter of contradiction. The point is the blood of war - oil.
      There is no gold in the Gray Mountains - in the sense that the northern gaijins have nothing to shed Japanese blood for in an organized manner. The only Soviet oil production region in Siberia and the Far East is small and already half developed by the Japanese. ICH, in the event of the outbreak of war, this oil production will burn with a blue flame - the gaijins will have time.
      In addition, the Japanese are well aware of our defense system in the Far East. And taking this knowledge into account, they understand that a lot of blood will be shed - the Japanese are expected in the Far East, and they do not experience any illusions. And what is the result? Knocked out army forces, thinned fleet squadrons, empty oil tanks - come and take the Empire with your bare hands.
      It is for this reason that the IJA NHS General Sugiyama on July 2, 1941, directly and unequivocally stated:
      The Soviet Union is too early to discount. We must wait 50 or 60 days. And only if we make sure that Germany is sure to win, will our turn come

      That is, Japan will enter the war only if the Reich practically defeats the USSR. And the General Staff IJN specified: almost win - This will take Moscow until the end of August.
      And on the other hand, in the south there are those same oil fields, the oil of which Japan purchased before the embargo. And they are protected ... but not protected by anything - colonial forces, third grade - not marriage. American division (a third consisting of local), colonial British units (without any preparation for fighting in the jungle and with officers who were not considered worthy for fighting in Europe and Africa), etc ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 30 July 2018 21: 20
        +6
        Quote: Alexey RA
        It's not a matter of contradiction. The point is the blood of war - oil

        Thank God ! The sane got! Oil! That is the reason for Japan’s non-aggression against the USSR. The fact that the USSR at least drink oil backwards, the samurai knew. But they also knew one more fact that oil production areas are far from the Far East, and there are very few roads to the Far East and it is unrealistic to get to the oil. Yes, and as a colleague correctly noted, the soldiers would not be enough corny.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 July 2018 08: 58
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        It's not a matter of contradiction. The point is the blood of war - oil

        The point is precisely in the contradictions. You just need to know the meaning of this word in Russian. "CONTRADICTION - The position in which smth. one excludes the other, incompatible with it."
        The expansion (economic, etc.) of the USA excluded the expansion of Japan, which is incompatible with the American.
        Oil - blood, first of all, throughout economics.
        . By blocking its access to the Japanese economy, the United States got a war for this "blood."
    3. avt
      avt 30 July 2018 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      The answer is obvious: Japan did not attack because
      On December 7, 1941, Japanese naval aviation attacked the American naval base Pearl Harbor in the Hawaiian Islands.

      wassat And why did they actually attack the Pearl? bully
      Quote: Olgovich
      And to fight on three fronts was suicide.

      And where is the third one? On Mars? wassat
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 30 July 2018 22: 02
        +2
        And the third is China.
        1. Nurtai
          Nurtai 3 August 2018 09: 06
          0
          I did not understand something of the author. How Japan could not use its troops if in the fall of 1941 they were in Japan. She the Vedas then did not fight with anyone (except China). So he had the opportunity to add as much to the Kwantung Army.
  2. Alexander Trebuntsev
    Alexander Trebuntsev 30 July 2018 06: 53
    +10
    The USSR in the Far East did not have anything particularly necessary for Japan at that time. There was no oil and gas, and even reconnaissance was not conducted. Why start a war? For deforestation in harsh climates? What the Japanese needed, they had in concessions on Sakhalin. Therefore, they chose a more favorable direction in Southeast Asia.
    1. faiver
      faiver 30 July 2018 07: 01
      +7
      quite right, in the event of a capture of the Far East, he would become a suitcase without a handle for Japan ...
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 30 July 2018 08: 21
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Trebuntsev
      The USSR in the Far East did not have anything particularly necessary for Japan at that time. There was no oil and gas, and even reconnaissance was not conducted. Why start a war?

      In Korea and China, no oil, no gas, and even a huge population hating them. And the Japanese fought for them to death.
      Why? recourse request
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 30 July 2018 09: 32
        +6
        Korea became Japanese back in 1910. There was practically no resistance. By the way, Koreans still cannot figure out whether it was good or bad.
        And with China came a mistake. They thought it would be just like with Manchuria, but they got stuck for 8 years. Since there were few natural resources, as you rightly noted, they climbed to the Philippines, Malaysia and so on.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 30 July 2018 12: 13
          +1
          Quote: Moskovit
          Korea became Japanese back in 1910. There was practically no resistance. By the way, Koreans still can’t figure out whether it was good or bad.

          79% of Koreans believe that Japanese rule was unfair.
      2. Alexander Trebuntsev
        Alexander Trebuntsev 30 July 2018 13: 33
        +3
        In China, there were already enough proven minerals.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 31 July 2018 09: 03
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Trebuntsev
          In China, there were already enough proven minerals

          The Japanese needed OIL. In China, she was not there.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 30 July 2018 13: 15
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Trebuntsev

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      Alexander Trebuntsev (Alexander Trebuntsev) Today, 06:53 AM
      The USSR in the Far East did not have anything particularly necessary for Japan at that time. There was no oil and gas, and even reconnaissance was not conducted.

      Well, here you are wrong, the oil fields on Sakhalin Island have been known since the 19th century: "The first information about Sakhalin oil dates back to 1879: it was then that the clerk of the Nikolaev merchant A.E. Ivanov F. Pavlov" at the direction of the aliens "found the island has natural oil exits - in a narrow valley sandwiched between the mountains in the far north of Sakhalin, 9 miles from the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. There were many oil-filled pits. A.E. Ivanov showed great interest in opening his clerk and in 1880 obtained permission for reconnaissance and the death. ”The death of the entrepreneurial merchant’s plans destroyed .... As for the Japanese, they first became interested in oil in 1916 when a representative of the Japanese Chamber of Commerce suggested that the Petrograd Geological Committee conduct joint research on Sakhalin. the Japanese only in 1918. During the occupation of Northern Sakhalin (1920 - 1925), they began to develop deposits ..... In 1926 Japanese businessmen established the North Sakhalin Joint-Stock Oil Company, which began operating the Okha oil field and exploring other areas allocated to it. Oil production grew quite rapidly and by 1933 reached 195000 tons. However, indicators soon stabilized, and in 1937 a recession began, which continued until the liquidation of the concessions (1944), during which the Japanese extracted and exported more than 2 million tons of oil from Northern Sakhalin.
      In 1928, for the exploitation of the Soviet part of the island’s oil fields, the USSR government created the Sakhalinneft state trust, which produced 296 tons of oil in its first year of operation. Further rapid growth is observed: 1932 - 188900 tons, 1940 - 505000 tons, 1945 - 695100 tons. It was achieved through the commissioning of new fields, which in turn was ensured by the continuous conduct of prospecting, which resulted in the discovery of the richest oil reserves in the areas of Ehabi and Katangli. In the late 30s, the Ekhabinskoye field became the most productive in Northern Sakhalin. So, in 1940 it produced 316800 tons of oil (more than 60 percent of the total production of the trust). Http://ruskline.ru/monitoring_smi/2000/08
      / 01 / sahalinskaya_neft
      "One of the most difficult problems in the oil industry of North Sakhalin was the transportation of oil. In 1931, the Okha-Baikal Bay oil pipeline was built, the Ehabi-Okha oil pipeline was built during the second five-year plan. Oil was exported from the island during tanker navigation periods until 1942, when the Okha-Sofiyskoye-on-Amur oil pipeline was put into operation, through which oil could go to the mainland year-round. "
      Well, how was the oil pipeline built: V, Azhayev. "Far from Moscow."
      1. Alexander Trebuntsev
        Alexander Trebuntsev 30 July 2018 13: 33
        +2
        What am I wrong about? I wrote that they had everything they needed in concessions on Sakhalin. You need to read carefully.
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 30 July 2018 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Trebutsev
      The USSR in the Far East did not have anything particularly necessary for Japan at that time. There was no oil and gas, and even reconnaissance was not conducted. Why start a war? For deforestation in harsh climates? What the Japanese needed, they had in concessions on Sakhalin. Therefore, they chose a more favorable direction in Southeast Asia.

      In fact, the Japanese simply had half of Sakhalin in their property under the 1905 peace treaty.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 30 July 2018 13: 59
        +3
        But until 1944, oil was extracted in the northern part of the island, which the Japanese did not belong to.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 July 2018 17: 51
        +3
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        In fact, the Japanese simply had half of Sakhalin in their property under the 1905 peace treaty.

        And half of the oil production sites in Soviet Northern Sakhalin - under a concession agreement, EMNIP, 1922. These sites were, in fact, paid for completing the Japanese intervention in the Far East.
  3. nivander
    nivander 30 July 2018 09: 39
    +2
    Germans constantly encouraged and encouraged Japs to war against the USSR. The main motivation was the fact that 1941 rifle, 11 motorized, 3 tank divisions, significant aviation forces and all other equipment were sent from Transbaikalia and the Far East to the Great Patriotic War (September-October 6). .In response, the japas politely hissed that despite the transfer of many units and formations within the Far East and Mongolia, there was enough strength left to protect these lands (... to limit the fifth point to the samurai). In addition, two were formed on the site of each declining division. our traditional assault and headlessness has contributed to it --- having received an order to advance 69 motor divisions (regiment. Domrachev) to Smolensk simply could not fulfill it, because 8th infantry regiment was on the border reinforcement and therefore the divisions subordinated, the first one that caught sight, the 303rd infantry regiment of the 1st infantry brigade in this composition, the division departed to meet fate. For the meticulous Japanese intelligence, such improvisation was beyond witchcraft and therefore in their they simply noted "... 1 --8 rifle regiment in place --- withdrawal of 69 division also in place, p. 2-180th rifle regiment in place - withdrawal of the 1st rifle brigade also in "By the way, according to Japanese operational reports, the 46th Infantry Division was registered in Transbaikalia until December 1941, for the same reason --- when leaving for Ukraine, it was not able to pick up its 64th Regiment and was replaced by the 314th Regiment from the 94th infantry division
    1. Nurtai
      Nurtai 3 August 2018 09: 09
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      In my opinion, General Apanasenko was in charge there, and it was he who created the army there from scratch instead of the departed
  4. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 30 July 2018 09: 59
    +1
    Yes, my answer is simple, to fight on two fronts they stupidly did not have the opportunity !!
  5. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 30 July 2018 10: 01
    +2
    By the way, Amers needed a reason for war! They got it! Cruiser Maine remember !!!
  6. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 30 July 2018 10: 04
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    Oh again, they didn’t miss a comment, hello to the moderators !!
  7. XII legion
    XII legion 30 July 2018 10: 20
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    2 directions of Japanese expansion, its pros and cons.
    But oil famine pulled the Japanese south, drawing them into conflict with the United States.
    R. Sorge is sorry, well done man - timely informed of strategic events
  8. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 30 July 2018 11: 46
    +1
    The answer is simple, Japan did not see the enemy in the USSR. Why did they have to fight with a country that does not threaten anything and with which there is nothing to share?
    P. S: I want to remind you that all the food that came from Canada and the USA through the lend-lease went through Vladivostok, the Japanese passed ships loaded with food for the USSR. Against this background, the Soviet attack on Japan looks like an absolute meanness.
    1. Alexander Trebuntsev
      Alexander Trebuntsev 30 July 2018 13: 31
      +6
      Well, this is a moot point. Legally, they did not have the right to interfere with us, but in fact they checked all the vessels that came across, and some even sunk. Type, by mistake. Ours suffered because they tried to avoid war. This was a program on the History channel. They talked about the supply of Lend-Lease across the Pacific Ocean.
    2. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 30 July 2018 21: 41
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      That is, merchant ships sunk by the Japanese are all normal?
  9. Royalist
    Royalist 30 July 2018 12: 07
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Alexander Trebuntsev
    The USSR in the Far East did not have anything particularly necessary for Japan at that time. There was no oil and gas, and even reconnaissance was not conducted. Why start a war?

    In Korea and China, no oil, no gas, and even a huge population hating them. And the Japanese fought for them to death.
    Why? recourse request

    Sake sorted out? Joke, what do you think is the reason?
  10. Royalist
    Royalist 30 July 2018 12: 54
    +4
    Ilya has a good article, but there is a doubt about the Kwantung Army: "poor training of personnel and outdated weapons," but many sources say that the Kwantung Army was not the best in Japan? And in the cycle: “Unknown War” - “The Great Patriotic War” it was claimed that the Kwantung Army was a size.
    In recent years, publications have appeared (also flashed) that Pearl Harbar is a merit of Soviet intelligence. The author correctly indicates that the Yaps were not going to start a war on three fronts. The Kremlin understood this well and were interested in having them clash with America ..
    In principle, China, even in Malaya with the Americans, was constraining the Japanese, otherwise they would have surprised America more. Before P Earl Harbar, our troops very carefully took parts from the Far East. To a certain extent, the situation in the Far East can be characterized: "frog and heron." In the nineties, a picture was popular: a heron swallows a frog, and holds it by the throat. So here: to the Japanese, how would units of the Kwantung Army be useful, but we need to look back at the Soviet Union, and we could not freely remove units from the Far East ..
    This is somehow little said, but in the fall of 1941 there was a high probability that Turkey would start a war against us. And then we could not keep the Caucasus. Then the English helped a lot: they had "they knew which pedals to make," and then the joint occupation of Iran with us removed the tension
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 13: 32
      +5
      Quote: Royalist
      Ilya has a good article, but there is a doubt about the Kwantung Army: "poor training of personnel and outdated weapons," but many sources say that the Kwantung Army was not the best in Japan?

      Surprisingly, the fact is true that both.
      The fact is that the Kwantung Army was indeed the strongest and best. But precisely because of this, her formations were dispersed in other theaters, that is, it turned out that the division was being formed and trained in the Kwantung Army, and then it was sent somewhere to Burma. And by 1945, the state of the Kwantung Army was far from brilliant - the best divisions were removed from its composition
      Quote: Royalist
      They say little about this, but in the fall of 1941 there was a high probability that Turkey would start a war against us. And then we could not keep the Caucasus.

      Most likely would be held.
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 30 July 2018 20: 24
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        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Most likely would be held.

        If the German-Italian corps would go to Egypt and Palestine, then Turkey would certainly oppose the USSR, Iraq (together with Egypt) would revolt (which was real in the real world) and then everything, neither the British in the Middle East nor the USSR it wouldn’t be in the Caucasus ...
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 21: 03
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
          If the German-Italian corps would go to Egypt and Palestine

          So they would be stuck there. In addition, these are already just some super-enchanting assumptions on history.
          Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
          Iraq (together with Egypt) would revolt (which was the case in real life) and then everything, neither the British in the Middle East, nor the USSR in the Caucasus would be ...

          What would happen? Was the Iraqi army drove us out of the Caucasus? :)))) Understand one simple thing - the Italian-German corps, in principle, could not get from Africa to the Caucasus, this is logistically impossible. At the same time, such forces lashed on the Eastern Front, against which a pair of German exhausted divisions from Africa did not solve anything at all.
          1. Town Hall
            Town Hall 30 July 2018 21: 35
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Understand one simple thing - the Italo-German corps, in principle, could not pass from Africa to the Caucasus, it is logistically impossible. At the same time, such forces lashed on the Eastern Front, against which a pair of German exhausted divisions from Africa did not solve anything at all.



            It's like about 500.000 people, 1500 tanks and 1500 aircraft .... if such forces in 41/42 for you are a ridiculous misunderstanding .... then you can only shrug. .... compare at your leisure with the same 6th army of Paulus ...


            About such geostrategic little things like the Suez Canal and access to Arabian oil, I dare not even stutter .... absolutely nonsense for that war ..
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 23: 18
              +1
              Quote: Town Hall
              It's like 500.000 people, 1500 tanks and 1500 aircraft ...

              Is this some kind of parallel reality? :))))) Town Hall, you cut the sturgeon once in five times - you won’t be mistaken.
              Understand one simple thing. The only more or less real time for the defeat of the British in the Desert is the time before the Torch, after which the victory of the axis in Africa is impossible in principle. And before Torcha there was an African corps, then transformed into the tank army of Africa with 2 TD (15 and 21) and 1 light (90) and Italians. With these forces (only half as much, because you cannot transfer them), you will have to go through Iraq and Palestine to the Caucasus :)
              Quote: Town Hall
              About such geostrategic little things like the Suez Canal and access to Arab oil, I dare not even stutter ....

              And rightly so - this has nothing to do with the Caucasus 1942 r. By the way, you can tell at your leisure how much oil the British transported through Suez in those years, interestingly :)))
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 30 July 2018 23: 39
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                And before Torcha there was an African corps, then converted into an African tank army with 2 TD (15th and 21st) and 1 light (90th) and Italians.




                Yeah ... like with Manstein tanks)



                You have less than superficial knowledge about the African Corps and the forces given to it. Try to spend at leisure on reading which thread even a simple article on this topic for at least 15 minutes and find out how many people, as well as technicians, went through these divisions in 2 years of the campaign ... I think learn a lot of interesting things for yourself)

                It’s not interesting for me how much oil the British drove through the british. I’m wondering how much Hitler would drive through it, if he got to Arab oil.


                PS Only the prisoners when surrendering Tobruk in the spring of the 43rd, the Allies took more people than the USSR under Stalingrad. This is for you to broaden your horizons on this topic)
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2018 23: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  You have less than superficial knowledge of the African Corps and the forces given to it. Try to spend in your leisure time reading a thread of even a simple article on this topic of 15 mines and you will find out how many people, as well as technicians, went through these divisions during the 2 of the campaign year.

                  Yes, I read much more than yours. Let's refer to the numbers you recommend - at what point in time before Operation Torch the forces of the African corps of Rommel totaled
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  500.000 people, 1500 tanks and 1500 aircraft ...

                  Barzo is simpler
                  1. Town Hall
                    Town Hall 31 July 2018 00: 01
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                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Yes, I read much more than yours.



                    I allow myself to doubt this .... a person less than superficially familiar with the topic always indicates that supposedly 3 divisions were at Rommel's, those that you indicated. This marker is in the subject of a man or not)
                    A person who knows a little more about the topic has more divisions. For example:

                    Oasen-Bataillon 300 zbV
                    164. leichte Afrika-Division (in precedenza denominata Festungs-Division "Kreta"), settembre 1942
                    Panzergrenadier-Regiment 125 (tre battaglioni)
                    Panzergrenadier-Regiment 382 (tre battaglioni)
                    Panzergrenadier-Regiment 433 (tre battaglioni)
                    Artillerie-Regiment 220 (mot.)
                    Aufklärungs-Abteilung 220 (mot.)
                    Pionier-Bataillon 220 (mot.)
                    Divisions-Nachschubführer 220 (mot.)
                    10. Panzer-Division, dicembre 1942
                    7. Panzer-Regiment
                    10. Panzergrenadier-Brigade (10ª brigata panzergrenadier)
                    69. Panzergrenadier Regiment
                    86. Panzergrenadier Regiment
                    90. Artillerie-Regiment
                    10. Aufklärungs-Abteilung
                    302. Heeres Flak-Abteilung (302º distaccamento FlaK dell'esercito)
                    Luftwaffen-Flak-Artillerie-Gruppe (gruppo antiaereo della Luftwaffe)
                    90. Panzerjäger-Abteilung (90º battaglione cacciacarri)
                    49. Pionier Abteilung
                    90. Panzernachrichten-Abteilung


                    And that's not all ... have been since December 42: .. dicembre 1942 venne inviata in Tunisia la 334ª divisione fanteria e infine, nel marzo 1943, furono trasferite sperm in Tunisia la 999 leichte Afrika Division e la Divisione Hermann Göring della Luftwaffe . I say, read it)
                    Those numbers are what went through Africa Corps in a year and a half. But not some sort of instant situation. Do not distort
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 July 2018 01: 34
                      +4
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      Those numbers are what went through Africa Corps in a year and a half. But not some sort of instant situation. Do not distort

                      The Town Hall, that’s what I like about you, is the ability to smash your own argument. First, I asked you to indicate the number of troops that were in Africa Corps before the start of Torcha
                      What are you quoting me?
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      10. Panzer-Division, dicembre 1942

                      December 1942. When Torch took place, do you need to remind? :)))
                      Further. I talked about what? About the number of German troops that could reach the Caucasus through Palestine, Iraq, etc. .. And now, attention, the question is - to which do you list ALL the troops that passed through Africa Corps? Are they all could be some kind of miracle in the Caucasus? :))) What, if not secret? You with such “ideas” on the alternative histories will be banned right away, so what alternative people are there, but they won’t think of such a fantasy forever.
                      In order to understand how many troops in 1942 could be in the Caucasus, you should:
                      1) Estimate the date of the capture of Egypt and estimate the remnants of German forces on this date
                      2) To evaluate the possibilities for the delivery of these forces to the Caucasus.
                      But the total number of people who visited there does not represent any interest whatsoever and does not apply to the issue under discussion (especially considering that many troops - the same aircraft - did not get there on a permanent basis, but returned to the eastern front)
                      1. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 31 July 2018 21: 33
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                        I will try again.


                        I do not engage in verbiage and fantasies on the topic of alternativeism. I consider this to be no intellectual masturbation.


                        I try to operate with real numbers. For example, the numbers of losses of Germans and Italians in Africa over 2 years.




                        Losses




                        Italy: 13.748 killed

                        378,821 wounded, missing and captured.

                        Third Reich 18,594 slain

                        164,500 wounded, missing and captured.

                        France (Vichy) 1.346 killed

                        1.997 wounded

                        3 missing,

                        1.400 prisoners

                        Total:

                        33.988 killed

                        546.721 wounded, missing and captured 8,000 aircraft, 6,200 artillery pieces, 2,500 tanks, and 70,000 vehicles


                        These are serious losses by any standards. Including those of the eastern front. And not a pair of battered divisions, as you put it, will pull the German army group of the 41/42 model, led by one of the most talented military leaders of the time.


                        PSfor general development. Africa Corps is one of the few connections of the Wehrmacht that has not been charged with violating the rules of warfare, crimes against humanity, etc.
                    2. chenia
                      chenia 31 July 2018 09: 54
                      +4
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      always indicates that supposedly 3 divisions were at Rommel, t


                      More or less long fought only FOUR German divisions, and units and support units. Only at the end of 1942 did the fifth incomplete GG appear, when not only Americans, but also Frenchmen appeared in Morocco.

                      And it will be a bit too much to enumerate units and subunits (battalions). You would still give porotno.

                      80 thousand were captured. Of these (German) in the battle group, 25 thousand and 15 thousand were combat and rear support. AND ALL !!!.
                      Then all the dockers (Arabs) unloading transports
                      translators, traders (contributing to the grouping). counted turned out 150 thousand.
                      Well, when the boys in German caps and prostitutes who slept with the Germans and Italians, as much as 250 thousand.
                      Three years (with the Germans 2,5) puffed up. having four more troops (and this is only the British.
            2. naidas
              naidas 31 July 2018 00: 02
              +1
              Quote: Town Hall
              It’s about 500.000 people

              I can imagine how 300 thousand Italians out of them and a little less than 100 thousand different allies fought in Stalingrad.
              1500 tanks and 1500 aircraft is the common figure that the Germans had from 1941-1943, the British always and in everything had an advantage.
              - On April 06.04.41, 7, Rommel’s units consisting of 4 tanks, 6 mobile guns, field kitchens and trucks captured the English garrison in El Mehili of 2000 generals and XNUMX soldiers.
              - On 18.11.41/100/600, the English army, newly formed in the summer and numbering about 1000 thousand people, 40 tanks and 340 aircraft, was the largest armed in North Africa. Rommel's own troops totaled at most 200 thousand people, XNUMX tanks and XNUMX aircraft, which supported an approximately equal number of poorly armed Italian troops.
              - tank forces of Germans-Italians before a successful German offensive operation on 21.01/05.02.1942/307/218: 89 tanks, of which XNUMX were German (delivered by sea the day before) and XNUMX Italian were lightly armored.
              - In June 1942, Rommel’s troops in North Africa had 4 German divisions and one brigade, 8 Italian divisions, 510 tanks, 600 guns and up to 300 aircraft.
              -At the end of October 1942, Italian-Italians: the army of Africa consisting of 12 divisions, of which 2 were motorized, 4 tank and 1 brigade (540 tanks of which 239 were on the move) and 80 thousand military personnel (29 thousand Germans instead of 46 thousand .in the state (of which 9418 are officially sick), 1219 guns (24 88-mm anti-aircraft guns), 350 aircraft, 12194 vehicles with motorcycles (of which 4081 were previously captured from the enemy).
              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 31 July 2018 00: 16
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                Well, do some interesting math and summarize these numbers .... I hope you don’t think that tanks for example the end of the 42nd are the same tanks with which the rommel entered the campaign in the spring of the 41st?. As well as planes and artillery and people
              2. Town Hall
                Town Hall 31 July 2018 00: 21
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                Quote: naidas
                I can imagine how 300 thousand Italians out of them and a little less than 100 thousand different allies fought in Stalingrad.




                And how did they fight?. Not worse than the Red Army until that moment. Neglect of the enemy was never considered a sign of great intelligence ....
          2. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 31 July 2018 02: 08
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            So they would be stuck there. In addition, these are already just some super-enchanting assumptions on history.
            Dear Andrey, I would not like to argue with you, because I know you for a long time and highly respect. However, you are simply wrong here: even in the summer of 41 Rommel almost managed to get to Egypt, and in the autumn of 42 there were several tens of kilometers to Cairo and Alexandria (in these cities the British and others already burned archives and carried out evacuation).

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Usimakhuchi Iraqi army drove us out of the Caucasus? :))))

            Actually, Turkey + Iraq + Syria (Vichy incidentally) + the Italo-German corps - to put it mildly = the collapse of the Transcaucasian Front, where the third grade was barely standing, giving everything you could to Rostov and Stalingrad.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 July 2018 07: 26
              +3
              Michael, good day! hi
              Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
              However, here you are simply wrong

              And let's think together :)
              Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
              even in the summer of 41 Rommel almost managed to reach Egypt, and in the autumn of 42 several dozen km remained to Cairo and Alexandria

              I'm sorry, but it's hard to agree with all of this.
              Let's start from the beginning - in 1941 there was no question of Rommel being able to capture Egypt - he simply did not have the strength to do this, even in principle. He already did the almost impossible - he captured Benghazi and blocked Tobruk. The British were still stronger, and had the ability to quickly build up strength, which, in fact, became the prerequisite for the “Cruiser.”
              Thus, there is no way in which Rommel, with the forces that he had, captures Egypt in 1941. In order for him to be able to do this, he had to receive a substantial gain from Germany. Leaving aside the purely technical problems of their transfer (logistics was lame on all four wheels), I would like to note that any Rommel reinforcement was possible ... correctly, due to the army concentrated on the eastern front :)))) That is, in order for Rommel to conquer Africa and then be able to exert some influence on the Caucasus, the East Front in 1941 should be weakened in order to partially return them to 1942 :))))) I would say that this is an extremely strange way to secure the conquest of the Caucasus :) )))))
              Further. Suppose that in August-September 1942, the Germans did take Cairo. Then what? :)))) How can they manage to transfer some significant forces until the middle of November 1942 to the Caucasus? :) And where will these “significant forces" come from? The Germans were completely exhausted by August 1942, they needed rest, reinforcements, reformation. Yes, they probably could have taken Cairo, but the Africa Corps was almost incapable of battle, exhausted by battles, what help could he provide? Almost none, and in October Edelweiss was completely exhausted. So if the Germans could manage to transfer something to the Caucasus, it would only lead to the fact that the counterattacks of the Red Army would be repelled with great success, that's all.
              Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
              Actually, Turkey + Iraq + Syria (Vichy incidentally) + Italo-German corps - to put it mildly = the collapse of the Transcaucasian Front

              That's just that nothing of this will happen in 1942 - the Germans do not have time to trite. And after Stalingrad ... By the way, boldly delete Iraq and Syria - there are no significant military forces there.
              1. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 31 July 2018 08: 07
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                in 1941, there was no talk of Rommel being able to take over Egypt - he simply did not have the strength for this, even in principle

                If the Führer sent him not two, but at least 5-6 divisions, as he requested, the alignment would be different for the British, and Lower Egypt would be lost.

                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Leaving aside the purely technical problems of their transfer (logistics were lame on all four wheels), I would like to note that any Rommel reinforcement was possible ... correctly, due to the army concentrated on the eastern front :))))
                Logistics in 40-41 for Italy and Germany was still normal, the collapse began in 42, and developed in 43

                Strengthening Rommel could have been (and was made, but too late, only in the spring of 43) - from the composition of forces in Western Europe (which Hitler MISTAKEDLY dared not use on the Eastern Front).

                The Germans' problem was precisely that initially the forces prepared for Barbarossa, not only because of Greece and Yugoslavia, were delayed by deploying for a couple of months (which they would take in the fall-winter near Moscow), were insufficient, and their build-up was insufficient the pace. The Germans (more precisely, their top strategists), starting from 41 and especially from 42 of the year onwards, reacted to the current strategic task with a delay, as if preparing insufficient forces and not as fast as required ...

                We are analyzing a certain alternative. And to understate the forces of Vichy Syria and the anti-British mood in the Iraqi army is not worth it. If we add Turkey, which almost entered the war in 41 (thanks to the British for keeping it from taking this step), and Japan (which could start the operation in the Far East), then the collapse of the USSR and, at least, the conclusion of a separate peace with the Nazi Reich, becoming extremely likely.
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 31 July 2018 13: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  Logistics in 40-41 for Italy and Germany was still normal, the collapse began in 42, and developed in 43

                  So the problems with logistics at Rommel begin as they move away from Tunisia. The farther he moves away from the rear ports, the more fuel, spare parts and service time the rear parts require. And the less supplies are left to the front.
                  And with Rommel's hypothetical offensive on Cairo in 1941, the supply picture will be the same. as in 1942. Although not, it will be even worse. Because:
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  If the Fuhrer sent him not two, but at least 5-6 divisions, as he requested

                  6 divisions. With the same rear - because the Reich has no way to increase its fleet. All trucks suitable for the army were assembled for Directive 21. Moreover, the carrying capacity of the rear for it was calculated according to the most optimistic scenario - without a margin and with breakdowns at the lower limit. That is, it will not be possible to remove motor vehicles from the Eastern Front, moreover, no matter how hard it would be to withdraw trucks from Rommel for the Eastern Front.
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  And to understate the forces of Vichy Syria and the anti-British mood in the Iraqi army is not worth it.

                  The forces of Vichy Syria (18 colonial infantry battalions and 20 cavalry squadrons, 35 men) were defeated, and Syria itself was occupied during the Syrian-Lebanese operation (June 000 - July 8, 14). To do this, the Allies needed 1941 infantry divisions - 3 Australians, 18 British, 000 Indians, 9 "free French". At the same time, the British trained their troops before meeting with the Germans.
                2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 31 July 2018 14: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  If the Führer sent him not two, but at least 5-6 divisions,

                  That the army attacking the USSR would be weaker on the 2-3 divisions. Moreover, I note that we are talking about tank or motorized divisions.
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  Logistics in 40-41 for Italy and Germany was still normal, the collapse began in 42, and developed in 43

                  She was never normal, Rommel did not get what he was counting on in terms of conventional supplies, and here - you need to transfer almost as much strength as he had, and then be content with half the ration?
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  Strengthening Rommel could have been (and was made, but too late, only in the spring of 43) - from the composition of forces in Western Europe (which Hitler MISTAKEDLY dared not use on the Eastern Front).

                  In 1941, Mr. Hitler used almost all combat-ready units on the eastern front. In the West, he had only newly formed formations, that is, in 1941 he had no reserve in the West.
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  The Germans (more precisely, their highest strategists), starting from 41 and especially from 42 of the year onwards, reacted with a delay to solve the current strategic task, preparing insufficient forces

                  All that has gone before:))))
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                  And to understate the forces of Vichy Syria and the anti-British mood in the Iraqi army is not worth it

                  Generally speaking, it is rather difficult to underestimate them - they were a near-zero value.
  11. Bakht
    Bakht 30 July 2018 15: 22
    +2
    So why didn’t Japan attack the USSR in 1941? The author wrote a lot of things and put everything in a heap.
    In the summer of 1941, practically the whole world knew that the USSR would lose the war. Well, except for the author of this article.
    And most importantly - why did you have to attack the USSR? What did Japan give this aggression? Japan attacked the United States and Britain, because that made sense. And no human resources scared them.
    In general, for each item, a refutation can be made. Articles about nothing. And even harmful, because it is far from the real state of things.
    Japan did not attack the USSR, because this did not solve its resource problems one step. All the resources she needed lay in Southeast Asia.
  12. NF68
    NF68 30 July 2018 15: 24
    +2
    Japan deceived itself. Rushing headlong into the United States whose military-economic potential was about 10 times higher than the Japanese was not the most sensible act, and even using about 40% of its potential, since the United States believed that the events in Europe gave them much more importance and that it was necessary to attract more resources, the US managed to almost completely destroy the Japanese Navy and Air Force. By the end of July 1941, the USSR had suffered very large losses, and Japan would have been nice to help Germany and not allowed the USSR to transfer Red Army connections from Siberia and the Far East.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 July 2018 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: NF68
      By the end of July 1941, the USSR had suffered very large losses, and Japan would have been nice to help Germany and not allowed the USSR to transfer Red Army units from Siberia and the Far East.

      Sumptuously. And now let's look at two steps forward: the war with the USSR is completely depleting oil reserves in Japan. Its oil production provides 10-20% of the needs of peacetime. There is no import - an embargo. AND black ships perry can come and take Japan with their bare hands.
      Yes, just for reference - on December 1941, after all the seizures, the forces of the Red Army in the Far East were equal in Japanese in number.
      The front had 19 rifle divisions, seven rifle divisions, one brigade, one cavalry division, two panzer divisions and six panzer brigades. Front aviation had 50 aviation regiments. These units were armed with 3670 guns, 1380 light tanks and 1800 aircraft. Front forces were confronted by units of the Kwantung and Korean armies, consisting of 24 infantry divisions, one cavalry brigade, eight tank regiments, 14 artillery regiments, and 35 combat aviation units. In service with these units were 3900 guns, 885 tanks and 1200 aircraft. In general, despite the one and a half-time superiority of the Soviet troops in tanks and aircraft, the Japanese command managed by the beginning of 1941 for the first time since 1932 to achieve parity in the total number of troops and in the amount of artillery.

      And Apanasenko after Pearl Harbor probed Moscow - and whether there will be an order for the offensive. And immediately requested reinforcements for him:
      Given the correlation of forces and groupings of Japanese troops in Manchuria, to resolve the active tasks of the front, it is necessary to strengthen the front's troops with ten rifle divisions and ten air regiments, mainly armed with new materiel, and bring the number of ammunition to 12 ammunition against the available six ammunition...
      1. NF68
        NF68 30 July 2018 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Sumptuously. And now let's look at two steps forward: the war with the USSR is completely depleting oil reserves in Japan. Its oil production provides 10-20% of the needs of peacetime. There is no import - an embargo. And Perry's black ships can come and take Japan with their bare hands.
        Yes, just for reference - on December 1941, after all the seizures, the forces of the Red Army in the Far East were equal in Japanese in number.


        Perry’s black ships, too, will not be able to immediately take Japan even with bare rooms, even with gloves on, because at that time in the USA the positions of supporters of US isolation are still too strong. And the USSR for the United States at this time is still not fully ally. It is one thing to simply agree with the USSR on the supply of weapons and other things, and it is quite another thing because of the USSR to quickly declare war on Japan. Just in time for the summer of 1941, German submarines created huge problems for the allies in the Atlantic and even US assistance did not allow a turning point in the course of hostilities in the Atlantic. So far, this and that, and time for the allies will be lost. Oil, albeit not in large quantities, is available in the northern part of Sakhalin. If Japan starts a war against the USSR, the United States will not be able to immediately start a war against Japan. From the first days of the war, Germany and its European allies distracted most of the Red Army; for this time, the main forces of Germany and its allies were also involved against the USSR. Having attacked the USSR in late July-early August of 1941, Japan will divert the bulk of the Soviet troops located in Siberia and the Far East, since then almost all the countries of Germany’s ally will concentrate their main forces against one USSR state. On land, in Siberia and the Far East, with the exception of Sakhalin, Japan will not be able to achieve any serious success. But Japanese aviation will be significantly stronger than the Red Army and Pacific Fleet aviation, and this will compensate for the weakness of the Japanese land army. Japan will be able to use significant forces of its land and naval aviation against part of the forces of the Red Army. the Japanese should not try to capture a significant territory of the USSR. It is enough to force the USSR to fight both in the west and in the east. First of all, the Japanese will need to seize dominance in the air over the most important transport communications connecting Eastern Siberia and the Far East of the USSR with the European part of the USSR. For such a long time, the USSR will not be able to stand it, since the resources of the USSR are also not unlimited, and the USSR will still have to defend the Far East and East Siberia and as a result the USSR will not be able to concentrate its main forces only against Germany and its allies in the west of the country. More from Japan by the end of the summer 1941 year and will not be expected. Having attacked Pearl Harbor, the Japanese also did not immediately capture the oil fields in Indonesia, or somewhere in the neighborhood, where I do not remember exactly, but look for laziness. Those in reality, the Japanese, who for some time dispensed with their stocks of liquid fuel.

        And Apanasenko after Pearl Harbor probed Moscow - and whether there will be an order for the offensive. And immediately requested reinforcements for him:


        Those. Apanasenko already knew that the main forces of the Japanese Navy and the Japanese Navy aviation are now engaged against the United States - in this case, Japan has already sprayed or, as it is more correct to say, divided its armed forces for waging war on 2's in completely different strategic directions.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 31 July 2018 12: 42
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          Quote: NF68
          Perry’s black ships, too, will not be able to immediately take Japan even with bare rooms, even with gloves on, because at that time in the USA the positions of supporters of US isolation are still too strong. And the USSR for the United States at this time is still not fully ally. It is one thing to simply agree with the USSR on the supply of weapons and other things, and it is quite another thing because of the USSR to quickly declare war on Japan.

          For the USA, the USSR is not an ally, but a temporary travel companion. But the quick collapse of the USSR is one of the worst-case scenarios for the United States. Because this allows the Reich to acquire sources of raw materials that are outside the reach of bombers. And also to begin the demobilization of the army and the construction of the fleet. And for the United States, the chance of losing runway No.1 is getting high.
          Quote: NF68
          Having attacked the USSR in late July-early August 1941, Japan will divert the bulk of the Soviet troops located in Siberia and the Far East, since then almost all the countries of Germany’s ally will concentrate their main forces against one USSR state.

          In real life, even taking into account the transfer of divisions to ETVD, the forces of the Far Eastern Front and ZabVO were equal to the Japanese. So it will still be possible to withdraw some forces from the Far East.
          Quote: NF68
          But Japanese aviation will be significantly stronger than the Red Army and Pacific Fleet aviation, and this will compensate for the weakness of the Japanese land army. Japan will be able to use significant forces of its land and naval aviation against part of the forces of the Red Army.

          Gorgeous. The United States will only be happy to weaken the IJN - this will be another Roosevelt argument in favor of joining the war: enemy forces weakened.
          Yes, by the way, "significant army aviation forces" as applied to fighters are fifty "Hayabus". The rest is a Ki-27 with two rifle-caliber machine guns. We'll have to use the IJN Air Force - and this will make it easier for the Americans.
          And one more thing - after Khalkhin-Gol, the Far East was a priority in terms of supplying new equipment and combat training. The raid in the Far Eastern Far East air units in 1940 was the largest in the Red Army - up to 100 hours.
          Quote: NF68
          Having attacked Pearl Harbor, the Japanese also did not immediately capture the oil fields in Indonesia, or somewhere in the neighborhood, where I do not remember exactly, but look for laziness. Those in reality, the Japanese, who for some time dispensed with their stocks of liquid fuel.

          That's right - these fuel reserves were just designed to conduct military operations during the time from the outbreak of war to the flow of oil from new fields. That is, according to their consumption, new oil would come - from Southeast Asia.
          But there is no oil in the North! And it will not come to use up old oil reserves — there is nowhere to take it from.
          1. NF68
            NF68 31 July 2018 16: 38
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            For the USA, the USSR is not an ally, but a temporary travel companion. But the quick collapse of the USSR is one of the worst-case scenarios for the United States. Because this allows the Reich to acquire sources of raw materials that are outside the reach of bombers. And also to begin the demobilization of the army and the construction of the fleet. And for the United States, the chance of losing runway No.1 is getting high.


            In this case, the collapse of the USSR would have allowed the OSI countries to defeat one of their opponents in the shortest possible time. By the end of July of the 1941 of the USSR, the USSR had suffered very heavy losses and in Japan they knew about it. It is possible that all the details of it were known to the Japanese, but they saw the general "picture". Then, the regions of the USSR rich in raw materials would allow Japan to improve its position.

            In real life, even taking into account the transfer of divisions to ETVD, the forces of the Far Eastern Front and ZabVO were equal to the Japanese. So it will still be possible to withdraw some forces from the Far East.


            I do not argue. But Japanese aviation will be stronger than the Red Army aviation in the Far East and this will allow Japan to create something like parity. In addition, the Japanese can launch air strikes against Soviet industrial enterprises and cities in Eastern Siberia and the Far East. The long range of the Japanese fighters and bombers allowed to do this. This will force the leadership of the USSR and the Red Army in the Far East to allocate part of the air defense forces and means to protect these cities and enterprises. The Japanese will be able to inflict massive airstrikes on any chosen targets.

            Gorgeous. The United States will only be happy to weaken the IJN - this will be another Roosevelt argument in favor of joining the war: the enemy’s forces are weakened.


            What Roosevelt previously failed to use just such an argument in the case of the war in China? The USA helped to help China, but at the same time tried to do it carefully and not go into an open conflict with Japan?

            And one more thing - after Khalkhin-Gol, the Far East was a priority in terms of supplying new equipment and combat training. The raid in the Far Eastern Far East air units in 1940 was the largest in the Red Army - up to 100 hours.


            And the Japanese are fighting in China in the 1937 year, but in general the hostilities between Japan and China began in the 1931 year.

            That's right - these fuel reserves were just designed to conduct military operations during the time from the outbreak of war to the flow of oil from new fields. That is, according to their consumption, new oil would come - from Southeast Asia.
            But there is no oil in the North! And it will not come to use up old oil reserves — there is nowhere to take it from.


            But there is oil in the western part of the USSR, and the USSR has already suffered very large losses, including large areas. If Japan gets rid of the danger posed by the troops of the Red Army in the Far East, then in the future it will allow Japan to strengthen its troops conducting hostilities against the Chinese and allocate significant forces for a possible subsequent confrontation with the United States. It is possible that the leadership of Japan in the 1941 year simply did not seriously consider this option. On 7 of December 1941 of the year, the Japanese destroyed the main forces of the US Pacific Fleet, enabling the United States to declare war on Japan. At that very time, Japan still did not deal with the Chinese armed forces, the Red Army was located in the north near the border with China, and Japan was forced to keep troops in the north to protect the Japanese and Chinese territories of Manchuria, and here Japan attacked The Navy in Hawaii-te made it so that it had another enemy, which had even greater industrial potential. What really prevented Japan from first attacking the already significantly weakened USSR at the end of the summer of 1941, apart from the obvious mistakes of the Japanese leadership?
  13. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 30 July 2018 15: 46
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    The topic is not disclosed by the US influence on the situation.
    There is a specific chain of events that led to the war between Japan and the United States.

    More than once the reasons for choosing the advance of Japan to the south were discussed on this resource.

    What could give the Japanese advance to the North? A war with a powerful and well-armed neighbor? The almost complete lack of infrastructure and resources (except for the forest), the meager climate region, in terms of providing products, frankly speaking, are insignificant acquisitions with huge military risks. To conduct an offensive along the same line of deployment of troops - along the Trans-Siberian Railway this is a heavy protracted war with a dubious prize like the undeveloped (so far) freezing port of Vladivostok and Khabarovk ...

    While the movement to the South is resources, this is food (78% of world rubber production and 90% of tin was from Malaya and the Netherlands India) and others.


    On July 7, 1937, Japan attacked China. The Sino-Japanese war began. Military operations unfolded over a vast territory, and two of China's largest ports, Shanghai and Tianjin, were soon captured.
    If you look at the map, it can be seen that the occupying forces could not control the occupied territories of China entirely and held key cities and important communications (railways and bridges), while having the guerrilla movement (tactics of the "passerine war" of Mao) behind the Communists and the opposition of the Kuomintang army .

    By 1940, Japan’s military resources were tied to retaining the regions of China and were aimed at advancing into indochina after the rapid fall of France, with the impotence of the Vichy government.

    And again - there was no point in moving north.

    Promotion to Indochina and Thailand - led to an aggravation of relations with the United States:
    They insisted on ending Japanese aggression in China and opposed the presence of Japanese troops in North Indochina. Therefore, at the US-Japanese talks held in Washington, a “deadlock” situation created. Each party considered the requirements imposed on it unfeasible.


    In 1939, the U.S. administration notified Japan of its intention to denounce the Japanese-American trade agreement of 1911, and it ceased to operate in January 1940. In the autumn of that year, after the Japanese troops entered North Indochina, the United States banned the export of scrap metal to Japan.

    The British government joined the United States in carrying out measures of economic blockade of Japan, the seizure of Japanese assets in British banks, and also severed the 1911 Japanese-British trade agreement and Japan's treaties with India and Burma. The coordinated pressure of the United States and Britain posed a threat to the economic exhaustion of Japan.

    And here comes the German attack on the USSR.
    The Japanese government debates the issue of moving north (taking advantage of Hitler's successes) or continuing to move south.

    And here the intrigue develops in the USA:

    From April to June 1941, heated debates continued in the US government over the suspension of oil exports to Japan and the freezing of Japanese funds in the United States, most of which were used to purchase oil ... On May 27, 1941, President Roosevelt announced the introduction of an "unlimited state of emergency in the country" " Immediately after this, Harold Ickes, who had just been appointed the coordinator of the oil industry by his own authority, banned the export of oil to Japan. The irate president overruled Ikes' order, leading to recriminations.

    And it’s very interesting what Ikes said about this:
    “There will be no such convenient moment to stop oil supplies to Japan, as it is now,” Ickes defended. “Japan is so absorbed in what is happening in Russia and how it can affect Siberia that it is incapable of any hostile actions against the Netherlands East Indies. Such a move as the imposition of an embargo on the export of oil to Japan will be the most popular of all that you can take, and in all regions of the country. "

    “Your step taken on June 23, when you recommended the immediate cessation of oil shipments to Japan, is enough for me,” Roosevelt replied sarcastically. “Let me know if this, of course, remains in your jurisdiction, how this step will affect the sensitivity of the balance,” with which the Japanese will decide where to strike first - in Russia or the Netherlands East Indies "


    He further writes that "among the Japs, there is a real brawl ... they are trying to choose where to jump to them." And he adds: "As you know, it is extremely important for us to maintain peace in the Pacific Ocean in order to control the Atlantic. I simply don’t have enough fleet for both oceans, and any small mess in the Pacific Ocean means that there will be fewer ships left for the Atlantic."

    The “brawl” mentioned by Roosevelt was triggered by a sudden German attack on the Soviet Union, which intensified the discussion in Japan of an important strategic decision: whether to continue expansion to the south or, using Hitler’s success, attack Russia from the east and secure a “piece” Siberia. From June 25 to July 2, senior officials in Tokyo vehemently argued over which option to give preference.
    Finally, a fateful decision was made: to postpone any action against the Soviet Union and concentrate all efforts in the south; try to secure control over all Indochina, which is necessary for further operations in the East Indies. The Japanese were aware that the occupation of South Indochina would certainly provoke the Americans to impose a full oil embargo, and this, according to the statement of the General Staff of the Navy, is "a matter of life and death for the empire."

    July 28, Japan launched the long-awaited invasion of South Indochina, i.e. took another step to the war ...

    The new American policy did not imply a complete cessation of oil export, at least openly, but as a result of the measures taken, an almost complete embargo was obtained. The main role was played by Assistant Secretary of State for Economic Affairs Dean Acheson, one of the few senior state department officials who advocated a total embargo. After consulting with the Ministry of Finance, he turned the decree of July 25 into a complete ban on the release of frozen funds needed by the Japanese to buy oil. “Whether we had politics or not, we had a state of affairs,” Acheson said later. “This will continue until further orders.” Since the beginning of August, oil has not been supplied to Japan from the United States17.

    “We must act as decisively as the United States,” said British Foreign Minister Anthony Eden. Both the British and Dutch émigré governments were completely baffled by American politics. The UK nevertheless imposed a freeze and embargo, cutting supplies from Borneo The Netherlands East Indies did the same.


    But the embargo in itself did not mean an imminent confrontation. In fact, for the United States, as well as for the UK and the Netherlands, this was the only way to express their attitude towards Japanese aggression in Southeast Asia and the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union ....
    That is why Roosevelt tried to use his oil lever.
    For the Japanese, however, this was the last link in the chain of "encirclement" by hostile powers.
    Tokyo refused to admit that he was uttering prophecies, which he himself fulfills. The embargo was the result of four years of Japanese military aggression in Asia.
    Japan drove itself into a corner: the only oil access to which was safe for it was in its own bowels. Tokyo had no other sources of replenishment of oil in the event of a cessation of supplies from America and the East Indies.
    To continue the war, it was necessary to start a war.


    ErginD. Production. World history of the struggle for oil, money and power / Per. from English - M .: Publishing house "DeNovo", 1999.

    briefly here - https://finances.social/dengi_776_778/embargo-382
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    1. NF68
      NF68 31 July 2018 21: 54
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      Quote: DimerVladimer
      What could give the Japanese advance to the North? A war with a powerful and well-armed neighbor?


      By the end of July, the powerful and well-armed northern neighbor had already suffered very heavy losses and, for plugging holes on the front of the USSR, frantically threw more and more connections from the internal regions of the USSR to the west. At this very time, the United States has a military-economic American potential, which is about 10 larger than Japanese. Not a single enterprise of its US military-industrial complex evacuates further from potential and virtual opponents, and American industry can safely work for the needs of the armed forces. At that time, the USSR, by passing troops to the west of the country, was still forced to urgently, not rarely under German bombs, evacuate a huge number of industrial enterprises to the east. An attack by Pearl Harbor by Japanese carrier-based aircraft in itself is risky since there are no firm guarantees that the US Pacific Fleet will not detect a Japanese strike force moving or approaching Hawaii, after which the US government will take action.
      The Japanese ground forces are opposed in the Far East to the Red Army troops, inferior to the Red Army ground forces, but at the same time, Japan has the opportunity to use most of its aircraft and this will noticeably weaken the advantage of the Red Army ground forces. At the same time, Japan will not need to try to move far deeper into Soviet territory — it is only necessary to link as many Soviet troops as possible, to strike airstrikes on railway stations, ports and industrial enterprises in the Far East of the USSR, which will force the Soviet leadership to disperse forces between 2 distant far apart apart from theaters of war.
  14. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 2 August 2018 03: 02
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    Well, it’s clear that we were doomed to victory, just as samurai wouldn’t go out there ... Eh, couch patriots, you’ll go to a swing.
    And who prevented Japan from attacking the USSR in 1941? The answer is simple: USA. They could not have allowed the defeat of the USSR, since in this case the Old World was under the control of the Axis, which buried far-reaching American plans. Therefore, the United States began to sharply increase toughness against Japan, letting them know that by opening a 2nd front in the north, against the USSR, it would quickly receive a 3rd. (Here we just need to make it clear that for the Americans, the war with the Japanese seemed like a walk in the spirit of Commodore Perry. Pearl Harbor brutally broke them.)
    It is clear that this obvious explanation was not popular with us - neither in the past XB, nor in this one.
    1. NF68
      NF68 3 August 2018 15: 38
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      Well, it’s clear that we were doomed to victory, just as samurai wouldn’t go out there ... Eh, couch patriots, you’ll go to a swing.


      The total military and economic potential of the countries of anti-Hitler coalition far exceeded the total military and economic potential of the Axis countries. There you are in a swing. The countries of the anti-Hitler coalition needed time to realize all their potential — the USSR needed to organize the production of enterprises evacuated to the east of the country, the United States and Britain needed to establish a reliably functioning supply of all necessary drowned aircraft carrier in Europe, which was the British metropolis and every day WWII, albeit slowly but inevitably led to the gradual realization of the potential capabilities of the USSR, BI, USA and all their other allies.

      Quote: M. Michelson
      And who prevented Japan from attacking the USSR in 1941? The answer is simple: USA. They could not have allowed the defeat of the USSR, since in this case the Old World was under the control of the Axis, which buried far-reaching American plans.


      The United States itself did not dare to declare war on Germany, although in increasingly large volumes they themselves supplied arms and other things to the British metropolis. Why is it that the United States will prevent Japan from attacking the USSR?

      Therefore, the United States began to sharply increase toughness against Japan, letting them know that by opening the 2 front in the north, against the USSR, it would quickly receive the 3 front. (Here it is only necessary to clarify that for the Americans, the war with the Japanese seemed like a walk in the spirit of Commodore Perry.


      Actually, in this case, the United States pushed Japan to attack British possessions located in Southeast Asia, rather than trying to prevent a Japanese attack on the USSR. In Southeast Asia, Japan did the same for the United States as Germany did in Europe and the Atlantic, further weakening the British Empire and Japan, just like Hitler, did not do so badly.