Uralvagonzavod offers another version of the modernization of the T-72

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New version of the workhorse upgrade tank parts and connections - tank T-72 - proposed Uralvagonzavod. Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy general director of the corporation for special equipment, noted that this is about the next stage of modernization of these tanks. Before the opening of the Tank Biathlon competition, Khalitov noted that the tank had and still has a significant modernization resource.

Uralvagonzavod offers another version of the modernization of the T-72




From the statement of Vyacheslav Khalitov:
This is a legendary long-lived tank that has been living since the 70s of the last century. And not going to end his life. We have offered another version of the modernization of this machine to the Ministry of Defense.


Details of the nature of the modernization of the T-72 tank proposed by the main defense department, not reported. It is known that the issue of the need to increase the combat power of the tank, increasing its maneuverability options was raised earlier.

Also before modern engineers is the question of the possibility of including tanks in the network-centric system, the management of which would increase the efficiency of the tasks assigned to the units.

At the same time, it was noted that at tank biathlon competitions there are opportunities to work out the operation of a tank in extremely harsh conditions - at maximum loads. This makes it possible to understand how great the modernization resource is for T-72.
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  1. MPN
    +27
    28 July 2018 14: 13
    that at tank biathlon competitions there are opportunities to work out the operation of the tank in extremely harsh conditions - at maximum loads. This allows us to understandhow much the T-72 has a large modernization resource.
    We have no test sites at the factory? All the lands for summer cottages pulled? Have you already approved the biathlon test program? belay
    1. +20
      28 July 2018 14: 18
      locals will drive at the factory training ground, and military at the biathlon, they will be meaner. great hi
      1. MPN
        +6
        28 July 2018 14: 23
        Great Roma! hi And even foreign troops ... so that they probably plan to upgrade according to their intelligence ... like removing too much so as not to distract the buttons, and the weight will decrease .., you can increase the armor protection. sad
        1. +5
          28 July 2018 18: 59
          Quote: MPN
          and the weight will decrease .., you can increase the armor protection.

          Modernization of the tanks of the 72th century has long been following the "Soviet" version even in the West - mainly in terms of body kit (plus, of course, the constant pull-up of the OMS). The main armor of the XNUMXnd will definitely not be touched. Most likely, either the combat module will be added, or the engine will be replaced by a more powerful one. Perhaps - all together, if not very expensive.
    2. +5
      28 July 2018 15: 04
      Well, what to be surprised. Anti-tank weapons are not progressing so revolutionary. The enemy has the same TOU and Jewelins. The enemy’s RPGs didn’t add too much. Why fence the garden and build new wunderwaffles if you can still upgrade the old ones.
      1. MPN
        0
        28 July 2018 15: 09
        Quote: RASKAT
        Why fence the garden and build new wunderwaffles if you can still upgrade the old ones.

        No debatable. As a matter of fact, the MO has chosen this main line today. While the T-72 is a massive tank, upgrading a large fleet is cheaper because on the stream, if an active protection system is introduced on it, then in production its price will be significantly lower and will make it possible to improve it.
        1. +18
          28 July 2018 16: 57
          Uralvagonzavod offers another version of the modernization of the T-72
          one thing is clear - the “armata” went into the forest ... there will be one platoon “extreme” and that’s it ... they’ll prepare the “6th” generation, like the T-50 ... but I said “Mechanic” a couple of years ago, I did not believe ...
          1. +8
            28 July 2018 20: 57
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            one thing is clear - the "armata" has gone into the forest ... there will be one platoon "ekskientmentalny

            Not a fact.
            The essence of the projects of Armata, Kurganets and others is to create a scientific and technical reserve and prepare for the production of a new generation of BTTs, and not at all urgent rearmament of the army. Firstly, the tanga is not enough. This is probably the main reason for the modernization of the T-72. After all, it is necessary to maintain the necessary number of tanks in the troops with a sufficient supply of motor resources and acceptable performance characteristics.
            Secondly, the Nuclear Age, however, has multimillion-strong armies with thousands of tanks, even such as Armata, that make no sense. Priority to the forces of nuclear deterrence. request
            1. 0
              30 July 2018 10: 19
              Absolutely.
          2. SOF
            +3
            29 July 2018 00: 03
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            one thing is clear - the “armata” has gone into the forest ... there will be one platoon “ekskientmentalny” and that’s all ...

            ... not tired of crap?
            ....... the country, now, all as one, as in the 41st, will stand up to the machine in order to rearm the entire BTT fleet? Of course no. Well, there is no German near Moscow. Nooooo!
            Nevertheless .... to maintain the combat readiness of the country so that a German near Moscow would not start up ????
            Of course YES!
            ..... attention to the question ....: What is more appropriate .... a cloud of ready-made tanks can be brought into line with modern realities or, having written off the old tanks with enormous modernization resources, to start production of new ones ..... processed "file" ....
            ......... well ....... turn on quick wits .........
            ... let Armata be for you .... will .... give time ....
            1. +4
              29 July 2018 06: 20
              It is you who sin against the Truth, dear Alexander! Try someone now to put someone to the machine ... Figs to you, everything is just a loot and think freebie seems to be. Not quite all of course, but most. For young people this is generally incompatible with their mentality.
              1. 0
                29 July 2018 06: 35
                there will be no rear in the third world releasing thousands of tanks, so conversations about the “machine tool” are pointless, whoever throws more nuclear warheads will win, we have two tank plants — in Omsk and Nizhny Tagil — this was beyond the reach of the Germans and now in the event of war, they will be destroyed along with their cities (so that the notorious machine tools can not be taken out and workers can make these products that can be destroyed) by the way about aviation, all of our Dryers are manufactured in Irkutsk, Novosibirsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur, for the Chinese if not to capture them in case of war, so to destroy medium-range ballistic missiles is simply elementary and voila, we won’t be able to make up for losses in aviation (in World War II we lost all aluminum industry and aircraft built on Lend-Lease aluminum, if memory serves up more than 300 thousands of tons were delivered to us by the allies, if you couldn’t make a completely steel plane (too heavy for those engines) you would fly on shelves with glued plywood wings (t only they need to be made for about a month, to dry glue and other tricks) So in the new big war we will fight only with what will be at the moment.
                1. 0
                  29 July 2018 06: 46
                  No one claims that in the "deep rear" our security will be forged. Nikolay! The current day is about him. Then, constantly nodding at nuclear weapons is an empty exercise. The likelihood of such an event is very small, saying one thing, and when a fried rooster bites, it's completely different. About the aluminum industry during the Second World War you are mistaken. There was only one UAZ plant in Kamensk-Uralsky, and he gave winged metal.
                  1. -1
                    29 July 2018 07: 05
                    300 000 tons of western aluminum, I think, too, were not superfluous + planes + high-octane gasoline + ammunition for them (I do not take everything else tanks and stuff, but I’ll say about millions of kilometers of telephone cable, thousands of tons of copper and explosives, thousands of steam locomotives, thousands of kilometers of rails, tens there are no thousands of American trucks (by the way, there were Katyushas on them) I don’t think we wouldn’t have pulled out without help, it’s like in a hand fight, when they pushed us a bit and saved the situation (and if the Japanese would have tucked into the Urals from China, they would generally have lived in another country and if you lived at all)
                    1. 0
                      29 July 2018 07: 08
                      This is natural, since the losses were very large!
              2. +1
                29 July 2018 07: 44
                That's for sure. Young people are stupid and lazy. All managers .. and there is no one to work. Operators CNC horseradish find with turners. But everyone is completely confident in their uniqueness of creativity.
                1. 0
                  30 July 2018 14: 24
                  It is not a matter of creativity, as long as office salaries are higher than in workshops, it will be so.
      2. +1
        28 July 2018 19: 11
        Quote: RASKAT
        The enemy has the same TOU and Jewelins. The enemy’s RPGs didn’t add too much.

        Because all the recent US and NATO wars over 40 years have been strictly "anti-Papuan", against the outdated (unmoderned and even export versions) Soviet tanks (plus with full air supremacy). There was simply no reason.
      3. +3
        29 July 2018 00: 15
        Without KAZ, the T-72 in any modification is very vulnerable even in conflicts with neighbors who stockpiled ammunition that hit the tank in the tower. Laugh, laugh, fight in hysterics, but the delivered “toys” are a scrap for the current technique.
        1. 0
          29 July 2018 07: 12
          From the tower with a thickness of only 410 mm, the kaz will not help (the BPS still will not knock down the Arena, it’s only up to 700 ms in general, it detects and reacts to the target, and the BPS and 1700 can fly, and react to the point — the tungsten dart is showered with fragments, all equally not even deviate due to speed
      4. +2
        29 July 2018 00: 58
        Quote: RASKAT
        TOU and Jewelins. The enemy’s RPGs didn’t add too much.

        But what about the military’s close attention to the development of hypersonic kinetic anti-tank missiles? In the USA, tests have already been conducted ... with a positive result.
    3. +4
      28 July 2018 17: 31
      Quote: MPN
      We have no test sites at the factory?

      Yes, but one another is not a hindrance. The machine is one thing in the hands of factory testers, and another in the hands of military personnel.
      Quote: MPN
      Have you already approved the biathlon test program?

      Then let's give up KAMAZ trips to Dakar.
      1. +4
        28 July 2018 17: 38
        Quote: svp67
        The machine is one thing in the hands of factory testers, and the other is in the hands of military personnel

        Ohhhhhhhh, yes !!!
        I will never forget how I have one mechanic knocking out (or knocking out) AZR with a branch, broken off from the nearest bush, jammed.
        And so as not to knock out, like ...
        It was further, as in that joke about a fairy and a flying tower laughing
  2. +4
    28 July 2018 14: 18
    I don’t even know which is better - 10 modernized T72, or one Armata, in any case, export is definitely better
    1. +6
      28 July 2018 14: 28
      The main thing is a trained crew.
      And if we consider it purely technically, I’m for the 72th years tested, because our industry still can’t arrange the construction of “Almaty” in the required quantity, and 72 in the modernized version will still serve.
    2. +3
      28 July 2018 14: 34
      So there will be no units consisting of only "Armat".
      As part of a network-centric warfare, this is not necessary, a maximum of 1-2 per tank company.
      1. 0
        29 July 2018 16: 42
        Most likely, in the tank divisions and brigades in ten years there will be one battalion on the "Armata" for two or three battalions on the modifications T-72, T-90, T-80. In the motorized rifle brigades and divisions, probably, “Armata” will not appear soon. Maybe in the Kantemirov Tank Division there will eventually be a regiment in the Armata and in the remaining regiments in the battalion with these tanks.
    3. +5
      28 July 2018 14: 40
      Quote: Sergey39
      which is better - 10modernized tNUMX, or one Armata

      Ask the Yankees. They are already doing the 6 modification of their ABRAM, and they don’t take a steam bath! Moreover, they demand that the neocons on NATO flatly abandon Soviet weapons, in the hope of foiling their modern crap. And you say "which is better!" bully
      1. avt
        +7
        28 July 2018 14: 49
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        They are already doing the 6th modification of their ABRAM,

        They do not do it at all, but only reflash the already done ones, the remaining ones.
        1. +3
          28 July 2018 14: 54
          That's it. And they don’t get more abrams from this .. And the tank from the “modernizations” is only getting fat.
          1. +3
            28 July 2018 17: 08
            Quote: seti
            That's it. And they don’t get more abrams from this .. And the tank from the “modernizations” is only getting fat.

            Cho, Negro-charging thicker? belay
      2. 0
        29 July 2018 16: 37
        And neoconservatives (they are neocons) here in general and?))
    4. +2
      28 July 2018 16: 10
      They will burn the same way, so 10 units are better! Why such pessimism? And the key is:
      the question is about the possibility of including tanks in a network-centric system, the management of which would increase the efficiency of the tasks assigned to units.

      But do we have such systems? There is not even a clue about them. If only VIKI would be revered. We have replaced the concept of network-centric systems with the concept of ACS, and they bake them like raw cakes .....
  3. +2
    28 July 2018 14: 22
    / Is it possible that they will finally deliver the relic, otherwise it’s somehow strange, like the ut-80 and the t-90 has it, but the t-72 doesn’t. I think there will also be a remote control and a pine-tree with the new Russian matrix TPK-K. I doubt the panorama. There’s not enough pennies because you need to finish the armature by the year 20. But these are only assumptions.
    1. +2
      28 July 2018 14: 26
      The relic is already protecting the sides of the T-72B3 arr 2016. If anything.
      1. +1
        28 July 2018 15: 01
        But in the frontal projection it is not, unlike the t-80bvm

        1. +1
          28 July 2018 17: 29
          Quote: Artemiy_2
          But in the frontal projection it is not, unlike the t-80bvm

          But the T-80bvm on the sides of the Relic yet.
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 18: 06
            This is the version for the marines. This one will go to other parts

            In addition, in any case, it is better to have a new dz from the forehead than from the sides
    2. +5
      28 July 2018 14: 51
      From anti-tank MMP, Javelins and Spikes in the roof, one FIG will not protect. The Syrians had to offer this modernization, otherwise these, 80 percent of all their T 72, were lost from ATGM fire and grenade launchers.
      1. +3
        28 July 2018 15: 03
        The relic is intended first of all all the same to protect against BPS in the first place. Although it works against tandems thanks to two plates
  4. +8
    28 July 2018 14: 39
    "... increasing options for its maneuverability." I think it’s not difficult to improve the turn in place, by rotating the two “tracks” in different directions. On the T-72 they put a 7-speed planetary semi-automatic on each side and one control handle. Put on a planetary gear and a paired selector-joystick control. In which direction it is necessary to sharply turn that handle to the "R" position and the other to "D-1" and on the gases. Still on the quadrocopter of each machine. With a missile launch sensor and laser scanning of the terrain. What would be better to use the folds of the terrain.
  5. +3
    28 July 2018 14: 53
    I don’t understand why the T-72 will not be made two-seater with an uninhabited tower, radar and ace, why the hell do you need a gunner, everything should be automated for a long time, the commander and driver should be planted in front with a screen of 50-80 mm from the fighting compartment with effective AUPT and expensive Armata are not needed. And you also need a distantly self-guided turret on a tower in caliber 14.5 or 23 mm (GS-23 spark). That would be fear would be in ge-yropa and psa))))
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 15: 13
      Quote: air wolf
      I don’t understand why T-72 will not make it two local with an uninhabited tower, radar and ace, why the hell do you need a gunner .....

      Do not dream on a smaller scale than the developers. There have already been voiced proposals that the ideal future of the T-72 will be its unmanned version. But first, you need to release a sufficient number of manned T-14. There are situations in which it is still impossible to fight without a man.
      Quote: air wolf
      And you also need a distantly self-guided turret on a tower in caliber 14.5 or 23 mm (GS-23 spark).

      Well, it’s you who overdid it ... It’s more important to replace the caliber of machine guns with a caliber of 7,62 with something 9mm (increase the energy by a factor of two). And you need an option with a module like "Age".
    2. +1
      28 July 2018 15: 30
      It would be necessary for the tank to have at least four remote machine guns, three of them 12.7 for a semi-guerrilla war and urban battles, it would be it.
      1. 0
        28 July 2018 15: 44
        and suggest, sorry, who will?
        Well, two, for example, a commander and a gunner. course - mechvod. And the fourth who ???
        1. +2
          28 July 2018 15: 58
          Quote: Vlad.by
          ... course - mechanical water ...

          And where did you get the "machine gun" on the 72-ke, I wonder?
          1. 0
            29 July 2018 12: 39
            It's about equipping the future !!! modernization of the tank as much as 4 !!!! machine guns.
            So I suggested where you can stick the trunks.
            What is there - drilled VLD as on the T34 and set course. business then ...
        2. 0
          28 July 2018 17: 13
          Each machine gun will have IR, TV - optical seekers that will detect enemy infantry, the equipment will essentially be robotic, with the ability to switch to manual control, pictures from four installations will be transmitted to the commander and gunner’s display - two eyes are good, and six eyes better.
          1. 0
            29 July 2018 10: 37
            In something you are right. But 2 remote-controlled machine guns are enough: for the front hemisphere and for the rear.
            But you need a person to manage them (and reload them). There are enough people in Merkava, but in the T-72?
          2. 0
            29 July 2018 12: 46
            So no tank is needed for this. Here a two or even three link conveyor is needed. Each link has its own mechanical drive and a bunch of robotic trunks.
            knocked out a link - the others disconnected and further into battle. A lined remains a fixed firing point.
            Only here is an identification system needed - otherwise it will start crushing both its own and others. So at each link there is also a receiver with a transmitter of the interrogation signal. And then there - as an appetite will allow. You look and want to place a helipad. What is there ... only 4 machine guns ...
      2. +1
        28 July 2018 15: 50
        Quote: Vadim237
        It’s necessary that the tank had at least four remote machine guns,

        Well, it will not be a tank anymore, but another "assault vehicle" (BMPTs have already been discussed) against small targets. Accordingly, you need a 30mm gun (for purposes behind a wall, a fence) and a short 57mm (as in the updated Epoch module, to suppress more fortified targets and light armored vehicles).
        Quote: Vadim237
        for semi-guerrilla warfare and urban battles, it will be it.

        What kind of "floor", yes, "partisan", and even in the city ... and on the tank ???
        1. +3
          28 July 2018 16: 17
          Quote: Genry
          What kind of "floor", yes, "partisan", and even in the city ... and on the tank ???

          You still try to discuss something with Gridasov, og Yes
        2. +1
          28 July 2018 17: 01
          There was a semi-guerrilla war in Afghanistan and Chechnya.
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 21: 09
            Quote: Vadim237
            There was a semi-guerrilla war in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

            There "semi-partisans" used tanks in urban battles ??
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 23: 39
              Used tanks in Chechnya in urban battles, set up land mines, columns fell into ambush
    3. +1
      29 July 2018 01: 02
      Quote: air wolf
      why the T-72 will not make it two local with an uninhabited tower,

      You are late, sir! Ukrainians are already "doing" ... from T-64! tongue
  6. +4
    28 July 2018 14: 54
    Certainly upgrade while there is a reserve! There are so many of them riveted in the USSR that it is a sin now to spend money on the newest Armata. Until there is a big war, 72 more will serve! And master Armata in small batches. The most rational plot.
  7. +6
    28 July 2018 14: 59
    What about the transmission?
    Again as old as Mr. But a mammoth mechanic?
    It’s high time to put two-threaded with GOP, which is on the whole BTT of potential opponents.
    Stepless speed control, forward, reverse, turns of any radius.
    And the control itself, the helm, is much simpler and more convenient than the 'tractor double-lever option'.
    On 'Armata', at least there was enough mind to stir up such things, but on the latest versions of the T-90, if I’m not mistaken.
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 15: 09
      Starting in 3, APP-2016 is placed in B172
  8. +1
    28 July 2018 15: 00
    Quote: Sands Career General
    So there will be no units consisting of only "Armat".
    As part of a network-centric warfare, this is not necessary, a maximum of 1-2 per tank company.

    I agree with you. Armata can be purchased in the amount of two, or three hundred. The rest is based on the T-72, T-80. The main battles in current and future wars will take place in urban areas, where the “old men” T-72 (T-90) are preferred in groups with BMPT and infantry. But even if the war is more global, all the same, the lion's share of the work will be performed by the same T-72 (T-90) and T-80, simply because it is much cheaper, ARMATA is a T-50 in the world of tanks, good and very expensive and an unfinished toy, it’s like a helicopter, and during the fighting they will have to be produced by so many thousands, or even tens of thousands, it all depends on the conflict. And if you recall Syria, then in Jobar, Yarmouk and in other cities of Syria, I simply can’t imagine Armata, huge and slow, it would suffer heavy losses there.
    1. 0
      28 July 2018 15: 44

      Let's imagine Armata in Syria together ... laughing
  9. 0
    28 July 2018 15: 08
    "... increasing options for its maneuverability." I think it’s not difficult to improve the turn in place, by rotating the two “tracks” in different directions. On the T-72 they put a 7-speed planetary semi-automatic on each side and one control handle. Put on a planetary gear and a paired selector-joystick control. In which direction it is necessary to sharply turn that handle to the "R" position and the other to "D-1" and on the gases. Still on the quadrocopter of each machine. With a missile launch sensor and laser scanning of the terrain. What would be better to use the folds of the terrain.
    1. +3
      28 July 2018 15: 34
      It’s better to abandon the levers altogether and equip the driver with a steering wheel and a curved display, which would be great to see at 180 degrees.
  10. +7
    28 July 2018 16: 01
    I think that in vain ours were written with Armata. She caused the process of improving the tanks of our veteran opponents. They are working on improving their machines to the level of Almaty, not knowing that we do not have it! From the word Absolutely! We don’t have Armat, but the modernization of Leo and Abrash in response to Armata has begun! And the question is - why did the antlers write with an unprepared tank ?????
    1. +3
      28 July 2018 17: 29
      Quote: Tahtvjd2868
      I think that in vain ours were written with Armata. She caused the process of improving the tanks of our veteran opponents. They are working on improving their machines to the level of Almaty, not knowing that we do not have it! From the word Absolutely! We don’t have Armat, but the modernization of Leo and Abrash in response to Armata has begun! And the question is - why did the antlers write with an unprepared tank ?????

      And what else do people please? Patriotism in defense of the “tube” cannot be raised by raising the retirement age laughing
  11. +2
    28 July 2018 16: 05
    how much juice can be squeezed from the 70s design?! ​​today it is not suitable for war in any way!
    1. 0
      30 July 2018 10: 42
      You tell this to the Mattresses with their Abrashka. You can also say hello to kashers.
  12. +1
    28 July 2018 16: 10
    Quote: Trol_2
    "... increasing options for its maneuverability." I think it’s not difficult to improve the turn in place, by rotating the two “tracks” in different directions. On the T-72 they put a 7-speed planetary semi-automatic on each side and one control handle. Put on a planetary gear and a paired selector-joystick control. In which direction it is necessary to sharply turn that handle to the "R" position and the other to "D-1" and on the gases. Still on the quadrocopter of each machine. With a missile launch sensor and laser scanning of the terrain. What would be better to use the folds of the terrain.

    It is the GOP that allows the tank to 'rotate' where and how you want.
    And there is one “pen”, and I doubt that the traditional “crutches”, in the form of two BKPs with concomitant hemorrhoids in maintenance, are much simpler than a more progressive design.
    By the way, similar developments in the Union have already been undertaken since the late 50s of the last century, there were options even with GMP, which also contributed to the more sparing operation of the tansmission and the chassis as a whole, as well as the convenience of the mechanical drive.
    But the notorious “if only simpler” among the top military leaders played a cruel joke ...
    I hope now the mind has increased.
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 16: 25
      but the mind hasn’t increased — to modernize this junk is not from the mind — and look at the modernization of b-3.. the same open places for RPG
    2. +2
      28 July 2018 17: 31
      Quote: trahterist
      Quote: Trol_2
      "... increasing options for its maneuverability." I think it’s not difficult to improve the turn in place, by rotating the two “tracks” in different directions. On the T-72 they put a 7-speed planetary semi-automatic on each side and one control handle. Put on a planetary gear and a paired selector-joystick control. In which direction it is necessary to sharply turn that handle to the "R" position and the other to "D-1" and on the gases. Still on the quadrocopter of each machine. With a missile launch sensor and laser scanning of the terrain. What would be better to use the folds of the terrain.

      It is the GOP that allows the tank to 'rotate' where and how you want.
      And there is one “pen”, and I doubt that the traditional “crutches”, in the form of two BKPs with concomitant hemorrhoids in maintenance, are much simpler than a more progressive design.
      By the way, similar developments in the Union have already been undertaken since the late 50s of the last century, there were options even with GMP, which also contributed to the more sparing operation of the tansmission and the chassis as a whole, as well as the convenience of the mechanical drive.
      But the notorious “if only simpler” among the top military leaders played a cruel joke ...
      I hope now the mind has increased.

      There was always enough intelligence, but no money. Hence the choice.
  13. +3
    28 July 2018 16: 23
    make armata, butted old stuff rivet
    1. +2
      28 July 2018 17: 14
      It does not interfere
    2. +1
      29 July 2018 21: 24
      So no one rivets, take the old ones from the warehouse and upgrade)))
      Now everyone is doing it.
  14. +1
    28 July 2018 16: 25
    hi flying towers fellow
  15. +1
    28 July 2018 17: 39
    Well, yes, there is no money to introduce a new one, it is better to allegedly upgrade the old one (it is more convenient to steal so).
  16. +1
    28 July 2018 17: 53
    In my opinion, it’s impossible to upgrade such machines indefinitely. Of course, this is a certain amount of money and the machine is quite good, but in my opinion, installing control units in such machines through a closed communication channel and making robots out of them is the best option.
  17. +1
    28 July 2018 21: 17
    "At the same time, it was noted that in tank biathlon competitions, opportunities appear to work out the operation of the tank in extremely harsh conditions - at maximum loads. This allows us to understand how large the T-72 has a modernization resource."
    Sometimes people utter masterpieces. 45 years from the moment of adoption, they waited for tank biathlon to finally try in extremely harsh conditions.
  18. 0
    28 July 2018 21: 35
    Quote: Artemiy_2
    Starting in 3, APP-2016 is placed in B172

    APP-172, as far as I understood from the description, is a bit like a DSG “robot” on WAG products, which, to put it mildly, are scolded to this day.
    For hard work, and the high cost of maintenance, if that flies.
    The classic 'automatic' is much more reliable, and it works just as fast and much smoother.
    And this is in cars!
    On trucks, 'robots' are still rare, for the same reasons.
    It is for the GTM and GOP that the future, due to more flexible characteristics.
  19. +2
    28 July 2018 23: 30
    It is necessary to abandon the production and modernization of tanks up to the T-90 generation, there are 90 and armata, and you need to deal with it and not "raise" the old stuff !!! T-72 in battle against modern tanks -
    tractor with a bazooka !! # lol
    1. 0
      29 July 2018 04: 17
      The T-72 is almost the same as the T-90, now they put a cannon from Almaty on the T-90 and redesigned the AZ for the new BPS, reaching a break through of 800 mm instead of the old figures of 600 mm by 2 km, so the same can be done with the T- 72, so is it better to upgrade a tank for a million dollars, or buy one armature for 10? you can have 10 T-72s, which, by the way, we have 7800 units for the money to immediately equip with a new gun and KAZ Arena, which of course will not make the T-72 invincible, but 10 normal tanks are often better than 1 good, I think we would not have experienced financial problems there would be an old order for 2000 armatures, but in the current realities our country does not pull out such work (and no country produces so many new tanks and there is not enough money and industrial capacities - the powerful Chinese military-industrial complex could hardly rivet 500 pieces of 99 type in 10 years)
  20. 0
    29 July 2018 01: 35
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    Uralvagonzavod offers another version of the modernization of the T-72
    one thing is clear - the “armata” went into the forest ... there will be one platoon “extreme” and that’s it ... they’ll prepare the “6th” generation, like the T-50 ... but I said “Mechanic” a couple of years ago, I did not believe ...

    Yeah and then 7,8 .... and so on. And there will never be new cars in the army (((. But a wonderful cut is obtained. Why develop an advanced tank and spend a lot of money on it in order to later release 100 pieces?
  21. 0
    29 July 2018 03: 58
    forty more years will be the basis of our troops ... did they hear something about Armata ???? Nah ...
  22. -1
    29 July 2018 04: 09
    Put Kaz Arena, DZ relic (this is in terms of protection) in terms of firepower - a long-barreled penetration gun like the T-14 (it is already installed on the T-90) and instead of a 12.7mm machine gun a remotely controlled 30mm cannon on the roof (12.7mm long ago they don’t take either BMD Bradley, Apache, or A-10 thunderbolt, and a 30mm cannon with center punches is still quite dangerous for them)
  23. +1
    29 July 2018 05: 22
    -Tanks of Russia are needed mainly ... for probable military clashes with ... with ... China ...
    -And those NATO enemies that are on the western borders of Russia are unlikely to somehow use tank forces against Russia on a large scale ...- "if something happens" ...
    -And this can happen with China ... -for this, China has already created a gigantic ground army with a huge "tank reserve" ... -As the "biathlon" showed ... Chinese tanks are practically inferior in no way to our T-72 ... and in the "artillery" they even surpass ...- And even the Chinese today can already afford to equip their tanks with all kinds of electronics, thermal imagers, the latest modern communications (even satellite) ... -exclusively own production ... - And on our tanks "whose" thermal imagers and electronic sights are ..? -French ... or Chinese ..? -Yeah...
    -I don’t mention the "comparatively" numerical number of the latest Chinese tanks ...- against the number of our tanks .., mostly long-released (30 years ago) and hastily somehow "modernized" (or being "in attempts "their modernization) ...
    -Maybe I am "exaggerating" ... -but not even a specialist in this "area" immediately raises a number of questions ... -Is this ...- a simple "bothering" of the venerable public ..?
    1. -1
      29 July 2018 06: 43
      I also see the PRC as a future mega empire, it’s good that the leader is adequate there, and a person comes who decides that the Russians are genetic drunken garbage and need to be removed from the “original Chinese lands”, then Genghis Khan will envy such an army-population of China of 400 billion people , the Americans conducted a study and calculated that the PRC is capable of putting “under arms” up to 200 million perfectly healthy men — a sparsely populated huge Kazakhstan (there are fewer people than Beijing) Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia, Primorye, Siberia, everything will be swept away as soon as possible (like a land I didn’t have to ask for a damn from the “damned Yankees”, it’s also disadvantageous for them if China crosses the Bering Strait to “stare” in Alaska.)
    2. -1
      29 July 2018 07: 00
      I don’t see any advantages over them - they already have a S-400 (a whole regiment), which means that within 5 years there will be a serial copy (because the S-300 was so successfully copied that it increased the range of the last modification right up to 300 km), the Su-35 there is (despite the fact that they are actively testing the 5th generation) Type-99 (not to be confused with type-96, which goes to biathlon) is approximately equal to the T-90 and in terms of number they have equality, our most important advantage is nuclear weapons, but how to use it? if China answers, it’s easier for them to kill half of our population with their ICBMs than for us half of their population (and despite the fact that the Chinese are actively building new cities, where whole streets are empty, are evacuations preparing for war?) Generally I read the calculations about the areas of destruction of nuclear warheads taking into account that the population of China is rural (only 199 cities of millionaires), it’s not possible to kill all 400 billion even using all our missiles (China’s area of ​​more than 9 million square kilometers and any losses they will begin to compensate for quickly banning abortion (as Stalin did before the Finnish War one of the reasons why we could rise in such a year, otherwise who would give birth in their right mind when they had nothing to eat? mother told her grandmother gave birth only because of fear of going to prison so it is easy to calculate how many future abortions are now destroyed in the Russian Federation potential civilian scientists, military, engineers, workers, if my mother already has 2 great-grandchildren) and under Khrushchev’s 60 years began to do (he allowed) up to 5 million abortions a year, it is easy to imagine that they would have grandchildren now and we (as the heir to the Russian Empire) would be in 3rd place in terms of population and would remain higher than the United States (by the way, Indonesia of which in 1900 there were only 19 million inhabitants now already has 270 million due to the fact that all abortions were criminally punishable) Why am I the whole opus? to the fact that they put themselves in such a deplorable situation, in front of China, when we have 6 million people living in all of the Far East, and they have hundreds of millions of people in neighboring provinces. All this reminds me of a strategy where a neighboring civilization (Chinese) is not fighting who created the economy by a huge number of workers and peasants, now they’ve eat up the army, and soon they will need new resources and living space.
      1. +1
        29 July 2018 10: 41
        In Russia, there are only 15 millionaire cities
        1. -1
          29 July 2018 10: 47
          but it is more than in the USA)
      2. +1
        29 July 2018 11: 02
        For nikoliski (Nikolai) Today, 06:43
        For nikoliski (Nikolai) Today, 07:00



        -You both think and express your views as adequate, logically reasoning people who have taken as a basis real-life events ... -What else can you say ...

        -And there are also "cheers-patriots" ... for whom China ...- is an "eternal strategic partner", "good neighbor" .., "comrade and brother" ... -What here ...- also say ... it's just "ostriches" .. sitting on their sofas ... covering their heads with cushions ...

        -Yes ... really ... today China is holding back from "interference in the territory" of Russia .., probably the political "underhanded struggle" in the Chinese leadership itself (like the struggle of the Trotskyists and Stalinists as once in Russia) or straining the Communist Party with the Chinese bourgeoisie .. which is still slowly, but still "gaining weight" and it is already "impossible not to reckon with" (just take it and shoot it) ... -But expect that China will suddenly announce its "Chinese Gorbachev "... and everything will fall apart ... - also do not have to ...
        -Therefore, unfortunately, this (our) generation of Russians will probably have to "experience" the military power of their "peaceful neighbor" ...
        - It’s a pity .. if the thousand-year history of Russia ends here ...
        1. -1
          29 July 2018 11: 10
          I think they will wait when we start fighting with someone to weaken, or wait for some kind of coup to invade (in principle, how did we take advantage of the confusion during the coup in Ukraine) Well, every year they become stronger economically (we completely depend on us the economy of their goods, nothing of their own — lighters, computers, even clavs unhappy all from there, ballpoint pens, all consumer goods, without which we can’t imagine ourselves anymore, by the way, China’s GDP growth is record-breaking up to 18% per year! all our GDP)
        2. 0
          30 July 2018 10: 58
          China is holding back one single fact that has held back all of NATO for 50 years. The presence of a powerful strategic missile forces in the Russian Federation. In this case, both China and Russia will disappear as states. And the land of these states will be unsuitable for life.
          Back in the 70s along the border with China, the positions of "Nuclear Mines" were prepared. This is a chain of nuclear tactical charges. In the event of a massive attack by the Chinese ground forces and a breakthrough into our territory, after the detonation of these mines, half of the land army of China can be deleted. Putting under arms 200 million is not a big problem. But just like in the Second World War, putting people under arms is one thing, and teaching military affairs is another. Yes, and quickly saturate the equipment with parts even from the reserve and train the crew to use it takes time. ALWAYS - the defending side has an advantage if it is ready for defense.
      3. 0
        29 July 2018 16: 57
        In China, now more than half of the urban population. And further urbanization of the country by the leadership of the CCP is considered a progressive affair. By the way, in the coming years, India will become the leader in terms of the number of inhabitants, displacing the PRC in second place. The Chinese have recently removed many restrictions in terms of birth control. So what? No jump in fertility is observed. Most Chinese youth, especially urban and educated ones, are not at all keen on having a few children. In this regard, the Chinese are beginning to repeat the fate of the Japanese and Koreans with their low birth rates. Although, for the sake of objectivity, it should be recognized, of course, that among the representatives of several non-Han peoples of the People's Republic of China (Uyghurs, etc.), and among a part of Han people, mainly from rural areas, large families are a significant value.
        Well, about abortion ... Now there are so many contraceptives with which you can not bring the matter to pregnancy.
  24. 0
    29 July 2018 12: 48
    * At tank biathlon competitions, there are opportunities to work out the operation of the tank in extremely harsh conditions
    ------------
    those. without biathlon there is no such possibility ... :)
    yes ... crap ...
  25. 0
    29 July 2018 21: 06
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    It is you who sin against the Truth, dear Alexander! Try someone now to put someone to the machine ... Figs to you, everything is just a loot and think freebie seems to be. Not quite all of course, but most. For young people this is generally incompatible with their mentality.

    Eugene, here you are right in the hole! Right now, people can be lured to the machine for a big, even big money, and then there are no specialists! Young people will make a +/- millimeter, but I’m silent about hundredths and thousandths! :( Right now, people can only thump and wait from a hangover early retirement! Yes, a longer retirement! Hto has not worked all his life (like my neighbor, for example), he shouts the loudest !:( What kind of machines does he have? Personally, I have enough money! And modernization is better than riveting new tanks! The main thing is that it should be developed with your head! And not as always - through the seat! Right now, it seems they’ll cover it under protection from the Javelins - they are still the most “piercing” serial shells! ..
  26. +2
    29 July 2018 21: 21
    72-ki still have gunpowder in the powder flasks))
  27. 0
    29 July 2018 21: 24
    Quote: nikoliski
    The T-72 is almost the same as the T-90, now they put a cannon from Almaty on the T-90 and redesigned the AZ for the new BPS, reaching a break through of 800 mm instead of the old figures of 600 mm by 2 km, so the same can be done with the T- 72, so is it better to upgrade a tank for a million dollars, or buy one armature for 10? you can have 10 T-72s, which, by the way, we have 7800 units for the money to immediately equip with a new gun and KAZ Arena, which of course will not make the T-72 invincible, but 10 normal tanks are often better than 1 good, I think we would not have experienced financial problems there would be an old order for 2000 armatures, but in the current realities our country does not pull out such work (and no country produces so many new tanks and there is not enough money and industrial capacities - the powerful Chinese military-industrial complex could hardly rivet 500 pieces of 99 type in 10 years)

    Break off the author! Ukraine is going to rivet 300 new Oplot tanks in three years, and this is in addition to self-propelled guns and other weapons! On your own! (Today I accidentally read one of the Ukrainian military!) So the rogue China is resting! :)
    1. 0
      29 July 2018 21: 29
      The keyword "going" only to Thailand under a contract of 45 tanks did 5 years is zrada chi peremoga?)
  28. +1
    30 July 2018 07: 16
    I would like to hear the news that our tanks began to install an active defense system. It is necessary that the tank be protected from all directions, so that no rocket can simply fly up to the tank, this is necessary first of all the rest is husk.
  29. +2
    30 July 2018 11: 06
    I spoke, I speak and I will speak. Need Armata with a 152mm gun. With such an instrument, our defense industry will put an end to all currently used tanks and future tanks in the next 50 years. The 152mm gun will allow the use of Chrysanthemum ATGM missiles. 1250 mm for dynamic protection or 3 meters of reinforced concrete with 6 km. Armats will not even have to make direct fire contact on shells. But if it so happens that some kind of suicide bomber can approach at least 3 km 152 mm scrap will calm the hot head of this "hero".

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