The Pentagon will place elements of a missile defense system in orbit

The US missile defense agency, part of the Defense Ministry, will soon begin work on deploying systems for tracking and intercepting ballistic missiles in space, reports RIA News.

The allocation of funds for the implementation of this project is provided by the draft law on the military budget for 2019 year, which was approved by the lower house of the US Congress the day before. In the near future, the document will be approved by the Senate, after which it will be handed over to Donald Trump for signature.

Earlier, both chambers agreed on the next year’s defense budget version, which amounted to $ 716 billion.

According to the law, the implementation of a “sustainable space sensory architecture” must be completed before the end of 2022.

As for the "interceptors", the timing of their deployment is not defined. According to experts, we can talk about a period of about 10 years.

The plan will be implemented by the missile defense agency in cooperation with the US Air Force Defense Research Agency.

Today weapons No space power has orbit, although the prohibition in international agreements only applies to weapons of mass destruction.

The publication notes that the adoption of the norm on the deployment of missile defense components in orbit took place, on the one hand, against the background of Washington’s negotiations with Pyongyang on denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula, and on the other, against the background of the emergence of new types of strategic weapons in Russia.

Comments

[DMoroz]

Trump (Reagan) and SOI again ... Only now it is not they who make us shell out, but we them ...

[Major Yurik]

Quote: DMoroz

Trump (Reagan) and SOI again ...

Spy satellites - a bucket of nuts scattered in their orbit - silence - we drove through!

[Blackmokona]

In orbit there is already garbage for 100 carriages of nuts and nothing works. Space is very big

[Major Yurik]

Quote: BlackMokona

In orbit there is already garbage for 100 carriages of nuts and nothing works. Space is very big

When launching a satellite, the debris orbit is taken into account, and the nuts spilled intentionally into the existing orbit of your satellite will bring you an indelible impression of turning the satellite into a colander!

[Blackmokona]

Satellites have long been able to evade garbage. They know they have engines.
Garbage often collides with each other changing orbits, plus new garbage is constantly added. Also now, GSO satellites themselves fly with GPO, and they also need to correct their orbit. Therefore, with the engines and fuel supply they have everything ok

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

Satellites have long been able to evade garbage. They know they have engines.

And on which engines and on which fuel do they deviate?
If everything was so simple, then they would not fly endlessly, but would not fall from a loss of speed.

[Blackmokona]

Various, mainly ionic, plasma and some common chemistry on hydrazine. And usually the fuel reserve is designed for 15 years of active use.
And satellites are in high orbits and fly virtually endlessly, because of this the problem with garbage. Yes, and at low they usually fall when they are brought out of orbit so as not to produce garbage, using the engines of the satellites themselves.

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

mostly ionic, plasma

But do they not use fuel (inert gases), which even with a high engine momentum,
consumed anyway.
And is it really possible for them to make sharp “maneuvers” from garbage, and not calm stabilization of the situation. How many times is the stock enough?

Quote: BlackMokona

And satellites in high orbits and fly virtually endlessly,

The word "endlessly" is already too much. Even the moon is not infinite - it loses speed and altitude by a couple of centimeters per year.

[Blackmokona]

Yes, fuel is consumed, but even a small amount of fuel is enough for years of work.
It is not necessary to make sharp maneuvers. The enemy launches missiles in order to cover the orbits on which the satellites are now located, it will be enough for them to shift from them while the missiles are flying. Remember how many Phobos Grunt were looking for. We let them go, we ourselves did not track it. And the United States first found Phobos Grunt in another orbit, then recovered, although it was the first to find the real situation. Therefore, over the hill, too, is not very everything.
Means of tracking satellites to say the least.

The word "endlessly" is already too much. Even the moon is not infinite - it loses speed and altitude by a couple of centimeters per year.

For human history, it’s infinite, a million years for us is a time indistinguishable from infinity.

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

It is not necessary to make sharp maneuvers. The enemy launches missiles in order to cover the orbits on which the satellites are now located, it will be enough for them to shift from them while the missiles are flying.

You confuse correction with maneuvering .... This is a difference of orders of magnitude of engine traction and fuel consumption. And you give only an impulse of force (change in speed), and real spatial displacement (change in orbit) occurs very slowly and is done with the expectation of a long subsequent period.

Quote: BlackMokona

Remember how many Phobos Grunt were looking for. We let them go, we ourselves did not track it.

So there they were looking for him outside the Earth, and he remained in a low orbit .... he died.

[Blackmokona]

Satellites fly from GPO to GSO of 20 thousand km in an acceptable time. And here a couple of kilometers away from the cloud.

[Genry]

Quote: BlackMokona

Satellites fly from GPO to GSO of 20 thousand km in an acceptable time. And here a couple of kilometers away from the cloud.

How many revolutions do you need to make for a small impulse to change the orbit.
And from the GPO to the GSO they come out with a very large momentum of force (an ionic or plasma engine is not suitable) to change the trajectory at the top point (the apogee of GPO). The higher the trajectory (average height), the greater the energy reserve must be reported to the body.

[Blackmokona]

Like the mechanics of Newton and in Africa the mechanics of Newton. He gave acceleration and flew where the vector of forces is now directed. Flown away from the orbits of a fragment of fragments created by rockets and everything is OK

[Hort]

Yeah, only after this bucket with nut \ bearings of satellites in orbit, in principle, there will be no one left

[sabakina]

Quote: BlackMokona

In orbit there is already garbage for 100 carriages of nuts and nothing works. Space is very big

The space is large, the low Earth orbit is small. The ISS periodically has to adjust, dodging the debris.

[Blackmokona]

They will also dodge bolts

[YarSer88]

Quote: BlackMokona

In orbit there is already garbage for 100 carriages of nuts and nothing works. Space is very big

They say that it’s not so rosy anymore, soon satellites will begin to collide with garbage

[Blackmokona]

This means that protection measures will improve, engines, detection tools, collision protection on satellites and beyond will be strengthened.

[DMoroz]

And China will do space vacuum cleaners and those wishing to sell ...

[viralig]

Well, you can kill satellites in different ways, and what prevents it from being done before the ICBM departure, or combine both processes)

[Guru]

Spy satellites - a bucket of nuts scattered in their orbit - silence - we drove through! bully

Yes, not a bucket, but two cars of nails. Offered one general, Gorbachev.

[siberalt]

The Russians have a saying to their "missile defense elements in the orbit of Zeili" - they see an eye, but a tooth goes numb.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Well, the mattresses well understand that all of their satellite junk is no more difficult to blow off than dust from the table, WHY DO THEY DO IT? Is it really so difficult to get used to the idea that "yes, we Americans can be destroyed by Russia at any moment" and begin to negotiate? No, it larvae, I do not understand this.

[Mih1974]

Well, how small are you - whack, whack . So understandable? 10 years, it’s not 30 like Hadji Nasredin’s, but in the American tradition of recent years - for some reason everything is “super duper” through the ass and into the toilet. The aircraft carriers cannot be accepted into service, the "invisible" destroyers are insanely expensive and wretched, and sho break, and even about the Fu-35 it’s not even a thought to remember - it’s like they riveted 160, but they’re not accepted and the edges "you can’t see the finish. By the way, you can see only Fu and finish it - the alternative is too scary, to remain completely without airplanes.

[Sergey39]

With the Fu-35 the most worthless alternative. With the advent of ROFAR, they lose their main stealth advantage and turn into fighters of the 3rd generation

[Sergey39]

For the same reason that Reagan announced the SDI, to enter Russia into unreasonable expenses.

[Shura Sailors]

Agree? And with whom did the Americans agree? An exceptional nation, put the gray-haired man above others, and not on a par. High nose pulled up

[G A_2]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

and start negotiating?

The rich do not agree with the poor.

[spirit]

In vain you laugh) now the technology has gone far ahead. Trump is not in vain creating a new kind of troops. Addition satellites are not a problem for them. Interceptor? So they are in x37v orbit for half a year for a reason. In just 10 years they will have a full-fledged unmanned interceptor in orbit. So whoever finds himself in a puddle will show time. With a trampoline, we already sat down

[NEOZ]

Quote: spirit

now technology has gone far ahead

so far that there is no way to land on the moon?
or are there passenger aircraft faster than the TU144?
What technologies are you talking about?

[spirit]

And when they conquered the Arctic there that every month they swam? From pioneers to quiet work for about 50 years. This has already been calculated and proven by practice. therefore, just now, fruitful development is just beginning to begin. With Mars, the same thing will happen)

[rocket757]

Again!
We will peck and fall into the fray again .... it’s better that China in space with the Yankees butts, if sho, we send a tsunami in response to them. It is informative to experience the universal flood!
However, villains are unlikely to be hurt! But these villains were chosen by a specific territory, they will answer for that!

[Sarmat Sanych]

So what? This X-37v is just the target for our S-500s. Although it can be nipped and not only that. There are no trump cards for mattresses there, if necessary, we will make the entire near-Earth space satellite-free, let them calm down and understand that it’s not enough to rock the boat.

[spirit]

Blessed is he who believes! The militarization of the cosmos is inevitable. You cannot go far in one bucket of nails. Who has money and technology has one and implements it. I think China will also be tightened soon.

[bk316]

Blessed is he who believes! The militarization of the cosmos is inevitable. You cannot go far in one bucket of nails. Who has money and technology has one and implements it.

You don’t even notice what you write about yourself.
You are a bright member of the famous sect, the mustache of the mighty.
The most famous statement of the members of the sect: yes, you Russians understand that you can’t oppose anything to us in the military sense, and there’s nothing for us about all kinds of missiles, tanks and torpedoes - TRY IT TO DO IT.

When asked how green papers and high-frequency trading technologies will help to win the war, they usually answer it is not interesting to speak with quilted jackets.

[spirit]

The main member of this sect Medvedev with the government) is there for you look how much greenery they buy from us in the state in recent months. A vivid example of the Zadornov sect they are all stupid

[Vadim237]

With 500 in service, and X 37 can fly from NOU to GO and carry three or three thermonuclear warheads W 87 or W88.

[Sarmat Sanych]

For now, we only know what it flies and what the X-37 can carry - just in words as well as the finished S-500 at the moment. So again, wifi. But you can slam this shuttle-dystrophic 40H6E. And something else ...

[Vadim237]

We know the same payload of it - 900 kilograms. In the dimensions of the cargo compartment, just three warheads breaks.

[asv363]

Joke on the topic (year 1986):

- "Debriefing" in the United States. Why did the right engine of the Challenger explode ?!
- "Debriefing" on the Lubyanka, in the USSR. Why did only the right engine explode ?!

Far X-37 will not fly away, and all this will fall on the territory of the United States.

[Vadim237]

Already flies and flies perfectly.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: spirit

.with a trampoline

Something I have not heard about the launch of an American manned ship.

for the laser orbital platform at JSC Design Bureau of Chemicals, a gas-dynamic CO2 laser GDL RD0600 [1] with a power of 100 kW and dimensions of 2140x1820x680 mm was completed, which passed the full cycle of bench testing by 2011.

[Vadim851]

Sooner or later they will strangle the ballist. Here, non-missile (BR) means of delivery of nuclear weapons to the enemy are needed, and they should be emphasized in the future.
They are working too hard on missile defense, and if you suffer for a long time, the result will be.

[Sarmat Sanych]

It will not be theoretically, and mattresses by the way understood this.

[Vadim851]

Now other technologies. Need to keep a close watch.

[Mih1974]

You write nonsense, the point is not that the “soaring took off” - for example, our over-the-horizon radars, the problem is HOW you will catch this dirty trick !! I’m talking about the small radius of missile defense - if the mattresses missed the take-off of our missiles (well, let’s look at them as the best so far), then catch on the “arrival” no chance of promising a couple of areas of the missile defense covered by ohrilyard bucks, and ALL the rest of America is “naked”. So if you need to strike bypassing and pairs of covered areas (which by the way have not yet proved their efficiency), then - no problems and no radars or satellites will help here. The problem is precisely in the “open spaces” that rummaged - it’s a big one and we’ll even see the warhead, and even if it’s “lucky to understand what kind of bullshit” is, it’s extremely difficult to catch it and that, in addition to the “impossibility of saturating space over the USA” with missile defense satellites to the required level, there is a much older task - the speeds are too high. That is, with the "miss" of the radar in the hundredth degree, with an error in calculating the meeting point of the warhead and missile pro in the net second - they "will not even see each other" . The stories of Americans about "getting kinetically into a warhead" are nonsense and outright lies.

[Sarmat Sanych]

I agree. I argued about their "kinetic interception" a year ago to a person with a polyhedron star - there is no "holy faith" in Aegis in the same way as among the Khokhloins in ancient times. And the mattress tests were sorted out (which is in the public domain), nowhere was there a proven successful kinetic interception of the RSMD simulators. It’s already I’m silent about the fact that all the parameters on their exercises are known in advance, there are no false goals and the WGM plus this is not even an ICBM. Let stripe-eared at least try to bring down the baby Eun’s rockets of the 60s, or even screw up with this, two fools fly right over the heads of the Japanese, and at least something. Only dishonored the "exceptional" throughout the world.

[Dikson]

It's a good news". Now Rogozin will catch up with trampolines .. But the tracking systems in the form of satellites are already there .. Someone has a lot of them, few have .. Obviously, we are talking about combining and matching missile defense systems with satellite tracking systems with a single control computing system ..

[NEOZ]

Quote: Dikson

with a single control computing system ..

skynet?

[rotmistr60]

will begin work on the deployment in space of tracking and intercepting ballistic missiles

By tracking it is clear, but will they also intercept from space? Remember the old tales of Reagan (SOI)? If it were that simple, they would have done so long ago.

[Shura Sailors]

If it were simple, then something like SOI would hang out in space for a long time. But technology and science do not stand still (all there are 'weapons whose action is based on other physical principles')

[spektr9]

Wake up call

[Dagon]

They can’t cope with a ground-based missile defense, another bullying ...

[USSR-1]

But what about the agreement not to deploy weapons and other means of combat in space? Do mattresses break? Then, no one is forbidden to destroy satellites in orbit.

[Blackmokona]

Chukchi writer, not reader

Today, no space power has weapons in orbit, although the ban prescribed in international agreements applies only to weapons of mass destruction.

[Hort]

It has already been discussed that missile defense systems can be equipped with a nuclear warhead, making them offensive. So that

[asv363]

Quote: USSR-1

But what about the agreement on not placing weapons and other means of combat in space?

I will assume that you about this agreement:
http://www.mid.ru/web/guest/predotvrasenie-gonki-
vooruzenij-v-kosmose / - / asset_publisher / wD2rNsftQh
ho / content / id / 609136

If you read the analysis of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation over the past 10 years on this topic, then ours closely link this agreement with the CTBT and the ABM Treaty. From the last, the United States left. The commitment to the agreements clearly shows America’s exit from the JCPOA.

They may violate it - the Congress with the Senate will vote, the US President will sign.

[Vadmir]

In a shell and armor competition, the shell ultimately wins anyway.
Another injection of money in missile defense will not pay off.

[HMR333]

what about in space they can not do toilets for the ISS)))

[Hort]

Heh, treaties banning the deployment of weapons in outer space have expired?

[bk316]

Blackmokona,
They wrote complete nonsense about maneuvering satellites. Even writing to you is lazy, you are simply not in the subject.

[Blackmokona]

What a constructive and detailed answer, even laziness to answer you

[Old26]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

So what? This X-37v is just the target for our S-500s. Although it can be nipped and not only that. There are no trump cards for mattresses there, if necessary, we will make the entire near-Earth space satellite-free, let them calm down and understand that it’s not enough to rock the boat.

Our S-500 can be safely plugged into one place. the maximum that a missile (it is not yet known which and with what parameters) can be made to hit a satellite in low orbit. And now, for a change, look at the X-37 orbit. And finally stop fussing about and without. The US satellite constellation is the most powerful. For two years we have not been able to bring our “Liana” to the minimum configuration, and there too. Rolled back from first place in the number of launches to the second or third. China is already overtaking us, and we are scolding ...
We are up to it (up to the US group) - like up to Beijing cancer. Remote sensing satellites operate in 4 subbands, and they have six, and their ranges overlap each other. And that means awesome camouflage problems on the ground. And we are doing it all up: “We’ll remove it from orbit,” “multiply by a bucket of nails by zero.” Damn, it's disgusting to listen to baby talk ...

Quote: Mih1974

I’m talking about the small radius of missile defense - if the mattresses have missed the take-off of our missiles (well, let’s look at them as the best so far), then catch on the “arrival” no chance to miss a couple of areas of the missile defense covered by ohrilyard bucks, and ALL the rest of America is naked

For a change, read about the American GBI system. interception range - up to 5500 km, altitude - up to 2000 km. While the apogee of ICBMs is no more than 1400 km.
Two positional areas are already there. It will be necessary - the third and fourth will be deployed (by the way, both are planned on the east coast. Go to any map resource and see the reach zones. And you are still not deployed with a rocket, with an reach of about 300-400 km in height, having inflated from self-exaltation, we are going to the entire American satellite constellation multiply zero.Aha, right now ...
Damn, first try this missile defense as part of the S-500, and then we will flick

Quote: USSR-1

But what about the agreement not to deploy weapons and other means of combat in space? Do mattresses break? Then, no one is forbidden to destroy satellites in orbit.

A contract of the 60s is poorly read? Or we act on the principle of “I heard a ring, but I don’t know where it is?”
Antisatellite systems both in them and in our country are being developed, put on the database. New se this NOT NUCLEAR

Quote: Dagon

They can’t cope with a ground-based missile defense, another bullying ...

Can we? A missile defense system based on interception with the help of anti-missile systems will not be effective under any circumstances, you can at least turn inside out. Each missile has a chance of hitting the target. And for a guaranteed defeat of a simple target (one warhead), up to 3-4 anti-missiles may be needed. And no matter how this missile will be called: THAAD or S-500. You should not assume that our S-500 will have more probabilities than the American one. Probability per unit is UNREACHABLE, both physically and mathematically

[Vadim237]

There is a proposal to create a national missile defense system in Russia, 1800 launchers from Moscow to Kamchatka, 51T6-based missile defense, silo-based, each missile has 4 cumulative interceptors - on the principle of a lensless strike core, the cost of a missile defense is 500 million rubles and the project will last 10 years. The total cost of the program is 2,5 trillion rubles.

[Sarmat Sanych]

What should I do and for what "reasons and without" I’ll figure it out myself, I think you understand me. With regards to “put the S-500 in one place” - so put this shuttle-dystrophic there better and learn to write respecting the interlocutors, besides, you don’t really know anything about them ANYTHING ABOUT S-500, but draw conclusions. Meanwhile, we already have 40H6E in service, but I am silent about the A-135 and A-235, the lousy GBI is really like cancer before them. And by the way, let the Americans even knock down the baby Khrushchev’s rocket Eun, otherwise they, as shown by practice, are not able to do even that, two fools flew over the heads of the Japanese, and the last thing was for them to change their faith and cross themselves. Mattresses can only constantly fail their missile defense tests, and this is with the INF, the previously known parameters and by itself without RGCh.

[LVMI1980]

It’s not good that they’ll put it, but the race goes into space

[Voxr]

The Pentagon will place elements of a missile defense system in orbit

They’re lying bastards again! I remember the USSR divorced at the SDI ..
You can’t spend Russia on the chaff ..

[voyaka uh]

Americans will be able to install optical sensors on a sufficiently large number of satellites to permanently block the time zones of ICBM launches. But a large number of powerful lasers is doubtful. Only a few seconds were released to detect and shoot to damage the 1st stage, and the laser should be above these launch points in these seconds.

[Vadim237]

Rather, they will put electromagnetic guns into orbit, such - into shots 10, each.

[asv363]

The energy of such satellites will be a vulnerability. An electromagnetic gun will require power from nuclear reactors.

[Vadim237]

There and superionists will manage.

[fif21]

Quote: voyaka uh

Americans will be able to install optical sensors on a sufficiently large number of satellites to permanently block the time zones of ICBM launches. But a large number of powerful lasers is doubtful.

But is it really impossible to destroy a planet by simply activating nuclear charges on its territory? In the event of a nuclear conflict, kirdyk will come to everyone.

[keeper03]

Let's develop, we already have the S-500 for you!

[Vadim237]

And where is he - definitely not in service.

[Old26]

Quote: Vadim237

There is a proposal to create a national missile defense system in Russia, 1800 launchers from Moscow to Kamchatka, 51T6-based missile defense, silo-based, each missile has 4 cumulative interceptors - on the principle of a lensless strike core, the cost of a missile defense is 500 million rubles and the project will last 10 years. The total cost of the program is 2,5 trillion rubles.

Want to ruin the country? Even in the USSR, at one time they realized that the deployment of more and more missile defense systems was an endless arms race that the other side could fend off at a lower cost. The number of APs on the rocket and the number of heavy false targets are elementarily increasing, and all the advantage of the deployed missile defense system will be multiplied by zero. Therefore, they agreed to a hundred interceptors (initially this figure was two hundred).

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

What should I do and for what "reasons and without" I’ll figure it out myself, I think you understand me. With regards to “put the S-500 in one place” - so put this shuttle-dystrophic there better and learn to write respecting the interlocutors, besides, you don’t really know anything about them ANYTHING ABOUT S-500, but draw conclusions. Meanwhile, we already have 40H6E in service, but I am silent about the A-135 and A-235, the lousy GBI is really like cancer before them. And by the way, let the Americans even knock down the baby Khrushchev’s rocket Eun, otherwise they, as shown by practice, are not able to do even that, two fools flew over the heads of the Japanese, and the last thing was for them to change their faith and cross themselves. Mattresses can only constantly fail their missile defense tests, and this is with the INF, the previously known parameters and by itself without RGCh.

Do you respect the interlocutors bearing a cheers-patriotic nonsense? I'm afraid not. The main thing you need to do is pimp. You can flick at least ad infinitum. Frankly, it’s violet to me. Here are just posts with such lulling betray you with your head. We heard another name, and every time you start talking about it. And what is the difference between the S-400 and S-500 for you absolutely no difference. For you, this is another "wunderwaffe", such as Khibiny, Caliber, Sarmat, Poseidon. Now, plus a dagger.
I know quite well about the S-500 parameters, which is why I am writing. But when, from a basically good, but not outstanding system, differing only in the presence in the system of (possibly) anti-missiles similar to PSR-1, but with a different index that will be able to bring down maximum low-flying satellites (up to 200 km of orbit) they begin to make a "super system "capable of knocking everything and everything - this is the lulling

Armed with 40H6, we DO NOT HAVE. She is only being tested. moreover, the past 4 or 5 years have passed and everything still will not pass .. Moreover, this missile is intended to destroy ONLY AERODYNAMIC TARGETS. Aircraft to make it clear to you.
A-235 - it is not yet in service. A-135 had a reach in height for long-range interceptors of about 80 km and a firing range of about 350-400. Unlike how you say "lousy" GBI. Having parameters about which I have already spoken. Moreover, in a three-stage version generally having a speed of 9 km / s. But continue to "hooded hats." Consider that we are ahead of the rest. True, this hatred ends very poorly. It has already been stated that we will fight by small forces on foreign territory, as a result, we rolled back to the Volga and lost almost 30 million people. Puffed up. Now they’re fooling too. Everything that is not spoken on TV becomes a super-wunderwaffe, which has no analogues in the world. And do not care that sometimes it contradicts the laws of physics. Since the boss said that this is so, it means so.

You are so far from rocket technology that the flight of two missiles over Japan, which did not threaten anyone, especially America is elevated to the rank of Kim’s superweapon and the worthlessness of the US missile defense system. Continue in the same spirit. In Poland, I will not make a single “comment” about delirium. Continue to make fun of yourself with your fuss ...

Quote: voyaka uh

Americans will be able to install optical sensors on a sufficiently large number of satellites to permanently block the time zones of ICBM launches. But a large number of powerful lasers is doubtful. Only a few seconds were released to detect and shoot to damage the 1st stage, and the laser should be above these launch points in these seconds.

Quote: Vadim237

Rather, they will put electromagnetic guns into orbit, such - into shots 10, each.

Let's discuss it tomorrow

[Vadim237]

From the creation of such a missile defense system, the country will not go bankrupt - 250 billion a year with a budget of 19 trillion and a GDP of more than 100 trillion. And the more false targets there are on American and other missiles, the smaller the range of missiles. Yes, and these false targets themselves are no longer a panacea, there are radars that select them, and with the advent of photonic over-the-horizon radars, these problems with false targets will disappear altogether. A missile defense system is needed to minimize the effects of a strike.

[voyaka uh]

False goals are easy. These are cone caps in size and shape equal to warheads, but empty inside. They put one another in a rocket, like wafer cups for ice cream.
Only Russians in Yars apply them. The Americans learned to distinguish them, but only with the equipment of kinetic killer missile defense from a short distance.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old26

Want to ruin a country?

There is no nationwide missile defense system right now, and the people still don’t get the average pension of 14 rubles for laughter for Russia, the government generally lost the coast, first devalued by 000% and then increased the retirement age, not the government, but the dairy farm and not ministers but continuous milkers (emphasis on "o").

[Vadim237]

Do not worry, there will be a national missile defense system - in a year or two different, the Americans will leave the INF and then our Defense Ministry will spin like a yule at maximum speed.

[SETTGF]

Dear Old26! You said you know pretty well about the S-500! I am interested in the range of the radar complex C500! What is she like?

[Yves762]

The Pentagon will place elements of a missile defense system in orbit

- trash all orbits ...

[Cannonball]

ISs to help you, gentlemen from the Pentagon. Your far-fetched systems will be demolished once or twice.

[fif21]

In theory, it needs to be destroyed. Is it really possible with our reptiles in front of "PARTNERS"?

[fif21]

Fashington must be destroyed!

[Old26]

Quote: SETTGF

Dear Old26! You said you know pretty well about the S-500! I am interested in the range of the radar complex C500! What is she like?

Dear Eugene! I have far from the latest data, and not the most complete. For at my former work, where I was attracted to carry out certain works within the framework of the R&D work, it is not customary to be interested in more than what is necessary for the work. And no one has yet repealed article 283 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

Interestingly, unlike previously released systems, such as S-300PM = 2 (35P6-2) and S-400 (40P6), the S-500 system structurally implies the presence of two subsystems. Anti-aircraft and anti-missile (the S-300 and S-400 did not have such a division). Therefore, without naming the numbers I will say that in the parameters for detecting aerodynamic targets in the S-500 they differ from the same parameters of the S-400 by about a third (upwards). In relation to ballistic targets, this value differs from the S-400 by more than 3 times.
However, you should not consider this system a panacea for everything and everything, as many people sometimes think. The possibilities of hitting targets in orbit are limited and they are less thirsty (reachable in height) than the TCAAD and Standard SM-3 block 1A.

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: Old26

Want to ruin a country?

There is no nationwide missile defense system right now, and the people still don’t get the average pension of 14 rubles for laughter for Russia, the government generally lost the coast, first devalued by 000% and then increased the retirement age, not the government, but the dairy farm and not ministers but continuous milkers (emphasis on "o").

Well, 14 thousand pensions is still relatively good. In the provinces, such pensions are extremely rare. Most often closer to 10
And there is even less. After all, salaries in the provinces always lagged behind, and far from the capital. For example, with 46 total and 42 uninterrupted length of service, I have a pension of 11500. It’s good that I am still in demand for my former work and I have an additional income of 50-60 thousand. And others ???

Quote: Vadim237

There is a proposal to create a national missile defense system in Russia, 1800 launchers from Moscow to Kamchatka, 51T6-based missile defense, silo-based, each missile has 4 cumulative interceptors - on the principle of a lensless strike core, the cost of a missile defense is 500 million rubles and the project will last 10 years. The total cost of the program is 2,5 trillion rubles.

The national missile defense system is the ruin of the country. You, most likely, Vadim do not know the background of the conclusion of the ABM Treaty in 1972. Then the leadership of both the USSR and the USA agreed that the missile defense race is a road to nowhere and a “fuel” for further intensification of the arms race. For fending off the development of missile defense is much easier, both technically and financially.
Technically simpler - since it is easier to deploy an additional number of missiles or increase the number of warheads and false targets on a missile. Financially, because missile defense is primarily not only the missile defense itself, but also the early detection systems and, most importantly, the firing systems (missile illumination and guidance radars) And there you can’t get by with just one radar for the entire national missile defense system. It is necessary to count not only the missiles themselves, but also their launchers, their entire infrastructure, from arsenals to means of prevention and regulation, etc.
Here is a good example of the current so-called US national missile defense system, based on GBI anti-missile systems. The probability of hitting a target with such a missile defense is quite high. Order 0,9-0,95. But since these missiles are not nuclear warheads, but kinetic interceptors, the guidance must be very accurate. For the interceptor will theoretically be able to detect the target at a range of 3 hundred kilometers, but his maneuvers are quite limited. Therefore, when calculating for a 100% target hit, it must be taken into account that the target may not be intercepted by the first kinetic interceptor. We count. To get a probability of 0,9999, you must use 3 interceptors. If there are, for example, 4 BBs and 2 heavy false targets on the ICBMs, then the number of targets for interception will be estimated at least 6 (plus the dilution stage). They will go at a sufficiently large distance from each other, let’s say, in a certain “tube of trajectory”. The number of interceptors will need at least 18, and taking into account the level of breeding, and even more so.
Further, if your missile allows you to increase the number of warheads by 2 more units, and TLC by 1, then the number of targets for your enemy on only one missile will increase to 10, and the number of necessary interceptors from 21 to 30. And deploy another 10 missile defense by building 10 more mines - it is expensive financially, but the main thing does not guarantee. You will increase the number of your interceptors by 10, and I will take and deploy 3 more to the PGRK. It will be easier for me to do this. Both technically and financially. And so on to infinity. Therefore, at first they were limited to 200 launchers, and then, according to the 1974 protocol, generally to 100 interceptors ... And you propose to deploy them in the amount of 1800. We will leave the country without pants ...

[Vadim237]

I wrote the total approximate cost - 2,5 trillion rubles, this is 1800 missiles with mines, roads, control units, factories that will produce these missiles and equipment, 40 satellites with radars and IR cameras, ground-based radars. And if something is left in the ABM Treaty, the USA left the 2000s. 250 billion a year, this money can be taken from the reserve fund, in 4 years there will be 14 trillion to 15 trillion.

[Vadim237]

In such a bandura weighing 45 tons, 8 interceptors can fit with a diameter of 26 centimeters and a length of 60 centimeters each.

[Old26]

I will continue

Quote: Vadim237

From the creation of such a missile defense system, the country will not go bankrupt - 250 billion a year with a budget of 19 trillion and a GDP of more than 100 trillion. And the more false targets there are on American and other missiles, the smaller the range of missiles. Yes, and these false targets themselves are no longer a panacea, there are radars that select them, and with the advent of photonic over-the-horizon radars, these problems with false targets will disappear altogether. A missile defense system is needed to minimize the effects of a strike.

It all depends on the number of false targets on enemy missiles. if they are heavy, then by its mass characteristics it is still lighter than an ICBM combat unit. And taking into account the fact that ICBMs and SLBMs are not loaded by the warhead at all 100% of their carrying capacity, then nothing terrible will happen. Take the same Trident 2 as an example. It can carry up to 14 (without any anti-ballistic missile defense) combat units at a range of about 7500 km. That is, shooting from the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean, approximately from a distance of 1500 km from the coast (Europe or Asia) it covers the territory of Russia to the Ural Mountains, carrying 14 warheads. If with 4 warheads, as now - then firing from the center of the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean "Trident" covers the entire territory of Russia. Yes, in the second case, it will be easier for us, fewer goals, but nonetheless ...

The problem of selection has always been a problem. No wonder every country, incl. and ours (according to our Chief designers of missile defense systems) always kept the so-called “White Book”, where all possible options were recorded. And still, this problem is not solved to the end. The appearance of heavy false targets made selection very difficult because they, by their parameters, are no different from warheads and accompany warheads practically “to zero” (these are not light LCs that are eliminated when entering dense layers of the atmosphere, behind the BB.
And do not rely on some photon radars that do not yet exist. They still do not know what their missile defense capabilities will be.

Quote: voyaka uh

Americans will be able to install optical sensors on a sufficiently large number of satellites to permanently block the time zones of ICBM launches. But a large number of powerful lasers is doubtful. Only a few seconds were released to detect and shoot to damage the 1st stage, and the laser should be above these launch points in these seconds.

Americans really can install a large number of optical sensors. Moreover, they seem to be going to reanimate previously closed programs, such as SBIRS-LOW. Although, of course, it is also doubtful to ensure that the ICBM launch area is constantly blocked. For this, only such low-orbit satellites they need to launch about 1,5 hundred EMNIP. And this is financially impossible. they will use remote sensing satellites, and they will develop. But it’s doubtful to completely block the zones with sensors.
As for the lasers. The laser should not only be in orbit in sufficient quantities, but also have a very large power. After all, the height at which the 1st stage operation stops for Topol-Yars missiles is about 10-15 km. The scattering of the beam in the atmosphere will be beyond. And it is possible that the enemy’s detection tools may still not see the launching rocket if it has not yet risen above the cloud layer ... But then to destroy the warheads themselves, well-defended, is also not the best option

Quote: Vadim237

Rather, they will put electromagnetic guns into orbit, such - into shots 10, each.

So far this is a dead end. Especially for 10 shots. Now the power of such guns is about 33 MJ. The velocity of the projectile is 2,5 km / s, the weight of the shells is about 3,2-3,5 kg. There is no guarantee of defeat by one shell. Having fired 10 shells, does the satellite turn into a piece of unnecessary iron?
At one time (at the time of the SDI) a book was published - "Space weapons: a security dilemma." Here it was said about a much larger number of shells. But the increase in BC dragged a whole bunch of issues that were not resolved then and hardly resolved now

[Vadim237]

In the days of SDI, 35 years will soon strike from the time of this program, new computers, materials, radars, equipment have appeared - now all the muddles of the time are being solved.

[Old26]

Quote: Vadim237

In the days of SDI, 35 years will soon strike from the time of this program, new computers, materials, radars, equipment have appeared - now all the muddles of the time are being solved.

Theoretically - solvable, practically - fortunately not.

[Cannonball]

Computers and radars appeared long before the advent of SDI.

[Vadim237]

Only here the problems were in the performance of these computers and also in the radars, then there were passive and now active, with a phased antenna array, now even a lensless laser has been created.