BO for children: Can the Kalashnikov break through the railroad?

The question of whether "AK will be able to break through the rail", the project participants decided to find out Wargonzo.

Experimenters decided to shoot from different species weaponsby applying various ammunition. In their arsenal were AKMS (modernized), AK-74, RPK-74 (Kalashnikov light machine gun) and SVD (Dragunov sniper rifle).

A rail with a middle section thickness of about a centimeter was placed in 20 meters from the shooter. The fire was carried out from each type of weapon separately with the change of ammunition.



The rail was pierced from an AKMS machine gun, but only an armor-piercing incendiary bullet of a caliber 7,62x39 mm.

A bullet fired from AK-74 (5,45x39) has not broken through the rail. But another bullet of the same caliber, but increased penetrability, coped with the case.

RPK-74, loaded with 5,45 mm cartridges with a steel core, also coped with the task.

This problem did not become a problem for the Dragunov rifle either.

The experimenters concluded that with the usual hunting equipment available, it is almost impossible to penetrate centimeter steel. However, from PKK-74 and SVD, having army ammunition - increased penetrability and armor-piercing incendiary - this can be done.

In conclusion, the project participants demonstrated the work of the Donchanka rifle. Armor-piercing incendiary bullet caliber 12.7 mm pierced the rail through.

Comments

[newcomer]

in childhood, my elder brother, after an urgent period, told me how they shot through the rail from the “AK”. my friends did not believe me when I retold them.

[Golovan Jack]

There are different rails ...

[Bomb]

It was necessary to begin with this. What brand of rail was shot.

[The black]

I tried from AKM and the infantry "Moska". The pug won

[Shurik70]

No comments

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Black

I tried from AKM and the infantry "Moska". The pug won

I am the 60th year of birth, i.e. from the past millennium and was also confident in AK. But, having passed the army, shooting less ammunition than before the army (I became a signalman, troposphere officer, "Horizon-M"). There was nothing to make sure of the army. But after the army I saw how the line from the machine did not take the cement plaster of the house more than 1 cm. It was in the 80s. And then I went out ... Sorry, but faith in the fairy tale about AK and rail disappeared. Recently watched YouTube. They said that the rail takes only an armor-piercing cartridge from 50m ... But it’s a pity ... Sincerely sorry ...

[dzuar saubarag]

they started from this

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: dzuar saubarag

Rail with a thickness of the middle part about a centimeter

If you are talking about this:

A rail with a thickness of the middle part about a centimeter ...

it’s, as they say, “nothing”

[dzuar saubarag]

1 minute 20 seconds rails brand named - review. It also clarifies that the railways mainly use a different brand, which, in principle, has similar parameters.

[Leeds]

Question for the mentally retarded.

[novel66]

cartridges are different, storytellers are different ...

[newcomer]

as far as I remember his stories about army life, so the rails should have been under freight cars, because in their part there were railway tracks for the arrival and exit of trains.
do you even understand the specifics of the story of the 20-year-old boy to his younger brother, of course, he meticulously reported both the rail brand and the type of cartridge.
Well, what a storyteller I am, not for me to judge. a moment of humor: can you throw a reference, as it was in 88?

[novel66]

why not

[newcomer]

Roman, are you already celebrating the weekend?

[novel66]

Yes, not like, I'm sitting at work, but what makes me think so?

[newcomer]

your reaction to 'throw off the link from 88'.

[novel66]

those. her (links) does not exist ??? cruel joke ...

[AID.S]

Quote: newbie

for in part they had railway tracks of arrival and departure of trains.

They shot right at the unit? Probably straight from the smoking room.

[alexxxxz]

Well, yes ... Right at the training ground. From doing nothing to shoot. Only one small nuance is in this exercise. The core of the bullet goes to and through the rail, but the shell of the bullet - from him and in the direction of the arrow.
FCT, by the way, also copes with this exercise, but it is better if you do it from under the armor, rather than a canopy with shit and sticks so that the fighter almost remains without an eye, catching a fragment of an eyebrow.

[AID.S]

Quote: alexxxz

the fighter almost without an eye remained, catching a splinter with an eyebrow.

This is how natural selection occurs. Or gaining TB experience.

[newcomer]

AID.S you fontazy is lame_ right in the barracks shot.

[AID.S]

Mmmm, it seems so. Two years were not in vain.

[pvv113]

And what is the story without exaggeration?
Greetings, Roman!

[novel66]

this is all the beauty. gestures and facial expressions!

[pvv113]

And a little unobtrusive imagination

[novel66]

you need to learn from the classics

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Golovan Jack

There are different rails ...

There are even more different bullets.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Golovan Jack

There are different rails ...

IMHO. Some rotten rail was present in this experiment. Rust leaves it with layers.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Yes. I saw the SOBR experiments on the same topic, they failed to break through. Used AK-74M, SV-98 and VSK. The rail there was normal, not rusty.

[Sergey ippon]

quite right - they checked with armor-piercing with the SVD railway rail, the couple did not work.
I am silent about Ak. Akm.

[Igor V]

Quote: newbie

in childhood, my elder brother, after an urgent period, told me how they shot through the rail from the “AK”. my friends did not believe me when I retold them.

Did he serve in partisans?

[newcomer]

very funny.

[Igor V]

Quote: newbie

very funny.

Don’t be offended, I’ve been a partisan myself three times.

[Vikxnumx]

GOST R 51685-2000 Railroad rails. General specifications
Source: https://znaytovar.ru/gost/2/GOST_R_516852000_Rels
y_zhelezn.html
Read and determine the brand of rail. There, not only the steel is different, but also the thickness of the rail neck!
And on YouTube there was a filmets with absolutely opposite content ...
And we tried to do something like this (suffered from a “hernia”) from the SCS and without BP ... and crap!

[romandostalo]

Well, how much can it suck? Yu tube to help you!

[romandostalo]

Again, it was taken from Nahua and Life that a 70-gram piece of tol tears 36 cm from the rail. But the data is 37 or XNUMX years old ............

[uporov65]

Here are the joys - AK punches the rail. I’m from PMa, this rail, and even along, and there is still a 30 mm board, and on the fly. If I also have an armor-piercing cartridge for PM, then I am on August 2 and an armored train along along the side. Happy Men

[gaura]

How did it get into the news section? What's the news ?!

[sabakina]

The news is that we here a couple of three years ago argued on this subject until hoarseness, a little before the massacre, the matter did not reach.

[dzuar saubarag]

Well, finally an answer was received to another question that haunted the long winter evenings

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Can Kalashnikov break through the rail?

And I thought that someone Medvedev wounded in the head, and was surprised why they are silent about this on other sites

[novel66]

and he was hiding behind the rail?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: novel xnumx

and he was hiding behind the rail?

Why would he, with his head?

[novel66]

it's like in a joke ... "Armored. Stirlitz thought ..."

[Strashila]

... with brains.

[novel66]

and running away irregularly

[prapor55]

You cannot shoot what is not.

[Igor V]

Ears stick out, apparently, from the fact that the Mosin rifle, still that long one, pierced the rail almost a kilometer. But then the rails were light then (this is a term, not weight). In general, the guys are busy.

[Tank hard]

Some kind of kindergarten ...
This is from the category, but can your knife, open canned food, chop wood and raise sewer manholes ... A knife - for cutting.

[novel66]

Knife - for cutting.

undoubtedly. but if he can still do all of the above without losing the ability to cut - he will not be priced

[Tank hard]

Quote: novel xnumx

undoubtedly. but if he can still do all of the above

Now there are those who - can, and can do a lot ... But - the knife is "for cutting."

[WATCH_OFFICER]

Why wind up PBS if you are shooting with non-subsonic cartridges? Penetration 5,45x39 for me discovery ...

[Strashila]

what to say ... high-pulse munition

[keeper03]

Well, the distance is only 20 m.!

[Zaurbek]

About 7,62x39 were silent ....

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Zaurbek

The rail was pierced from an AKMS machine gun, but only an armor-piercing incendiary bullet of a caliber 7,62x39 mm.

"The rail was pierced from the AKMS submachine gun, but only with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet of 7,62x39 mm caliber."

Classic ... It’s a pity that it was not possible to hear the head of the transport department ...

[baggage]

I think it depends on the bullet. Ordinary neither Schmeiser nor any other will probably break. A stupid experiment, a rebound in the head will fall and that’s it.

[Weyland]

Quote: bagration

Ordinary neither Schmeiser nor any other will probably break.

Schmeiser (as PPSh) - submachine gun. Their main difference from machine guns is that they have a cartridge - pistol, and that’s it. almost tripled inferior to Kalash

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Weyland

Quote: bagration

Ordinary neither Schmeiser nor any other will probably break.

Schmeiser (as PPSh) - submachine gun. Their main difference from machine guns is that they have a cartridge - pistol, and that’s it. almost tripled inferior to Kalash

Well, strictly speaking, the TT cartridge has an armor-piercing option:

- 7,62 mm pistol cartridge with armor-piercing incendiary bullet (7,62 P-41). Adopted in 1941. Bullet "P-41" weighing 4,3 - 5,1 g had a top, painted black with a red belt. The cartridge is designed for shooting at gas tanks, motorcycles, cars and low-flying aircraft. Under the shell of the armor-piercing incendiary bullet ("P41") there is an armor-piercing core placed in a lead shirt, and the head of the bullet is filled with a pyrotechnic incendiary mixture.

[Strashila]

He drew attention to the fact that the five did not ricochet after hitting the edge of the rail where the radius was ... they love saying that it deviates by hitting a tree knot.

[beeper]

And what is the idefix "break through the rail (rail neck)" ?! Often I encounter discussions about this at VO and not only why punching (all the more so since the rails are different, with different bearing capacity and corresponding profile parameters (the figure in the designation is the linear mass of the rail, kg / meter), as was correctly noted in video and comments), for courage, or what ?!
By the way, in the video, on the R-50 rail excavated from the concrete floor, layers of corroded metal were visible, that is, the thickness of the rail neck was a priori weakened ?!
Threat A ruined huge factory floor (in the same, but not yet predetermined, and I work) -the spectacle is not the most optimistic and spoils the impression of the "video" - I like the "test" vidyuhi "in nature" more, they look much more like weapons more advantageous (not lost against the backdrop of trash!) and the attention of the audience is not scattered by the "post-apocalyptic surroundings"!

[Tank hard]

Quote: pishchak

And what is the idefix "break through the rail (rail neck)" ?!

Exactly...

[Avis-bis]

Quote: pishchak

And what is the idefix "break through the rail (rail neck)" ?!

Well, apparently, in order to get the enemy behind the barrier. There are several, so to speak, typical types of shelters and rail - one of them.

[Topotun]

"Well, apparently, in order to get the enemy over the barrier."
It's easier with a grenade ... And no need to aim ....

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Topotun

"Well, apparently, in order to get the enemy over the barrier."
It's easier with a grenade ... And no need to aim ....

If there is a grenade.

[Topotun]

Well, yes, just translate the ammunition (which also does not happen much) in the hope that the bullet breaking through the rail will also master the bulletproof vest ... It’s somehow not serious.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Topotun

Well, yes, just translate the ammunition (which also does not happen much) in the hope that the bullet breaking through the rail will also master the bulletproof vest ... It’s somehow not serious.

Maybe. I did not fight, I will not argue. But the “forbidden effect” (or something like that) is quite a characteristic of the ammunition.

[Topotun]

These characteristics are in TTX BP. Anyone can see. I am not against such shows. Although in many ways it is like comparing AK vs M-16 for example. Who is better? It depends on where and for what and for whom. If you limit the conditions, for example, with accuracy in automatic mode, the AK will lose. If you limit the conditions to firing accuracy with single AKs, it will not yield. With the same arrow of course. If you take in the complex (service requirements, requirements for the preparation of the shooter, ease of use, etc., etc.), in my opinion AK is better. But again, there are people who challenge my opinion. So here, in normal conditions of the battle, you have to shoot what is (type of PSU) and plant it from cover on the rail in the hope of hitting the target - not worth it. Maybe it will strike, but .... In general, everyone is faithful to that type of weapon, which for various reasons is considered the best. Why argue?

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Topotun

Why argue?

Yes, I do not argue, especially since I have no experience in handling military weapons. Just exchanging opinions.
All your words are correct, I do not argue with them. The only thing - when there is some chance to kill the enemy, it is better to use it than not. :)

[faiver]

take cover behind the rail? I wouldn’t

[geniy]

take cover behind the rail? I wouldn’t

А зря.
Of course you can’t hide behind one rail, but during the American Civil War the Southern states wanted to quickly build an armadillo - and they didn’t have armor at all! So they took hundreds of rails and flattened them, and gathered such a layer cake about 100 millimeters thick, and built their first battleship Virginia (former frigate Merrimack), so that its cast-iron cores did not pierce.

[Avis-bis]

Quote: faiver

take cover behind the rail? I wouldn’t

I did not fight, but I think when there is no choice, and the rail will be glad. At least something.

[fedotow]

The rails, at least in the middle of the 20 century, were made of 50 steel. all armored vehicles of the Wehrmacht had armor of about the same chemical. composition. Well, on physical. properties was close. For experimenters who have fire in their ass, getting a sheet of armor is not easy. Even enterprises were supplied at the limits approved by the Ministry of TyazhMash. A piece of rail can almost always be found. The standard bulletproof armor in the 40 was considered to be the thickness of 12 mm. About such a thickness was the neck of heavy (then) rails. It is known for certain that Mosinka confidently punched from a distance of 50 m. About AK, I doubt it.

[rotmistr60]

But wasn’t it easier to look into the Manual on Small Arms? And then with a 20 m inadvertently ricochet and lobeshnikom yourself or a partner you can get a shot.

[seregatara1969]

Oh, they didn’t try the rail from the main path of the p-105!

[PValery53]

In a too verbose narrative, the reporter does not forget to advertise himself.

[prohogij60]

In railway troops there is such a tool for punching holes in the neck of the rail for bolts for mounting pads at the joints. This tool is put on the P50 rail, the cartridge is loaded into it from the AK without a bullet, you hit the hammer with a small hammer and the hole with a diameter of more than 20 mm is ready. So the charge power is enough to break the rail. And the rest is all the nuances.

[Igor Strakh]

Yes, what in childhood, when I was also a "summer garbage" when I was a summer, I suffered. I remember at the training ground in the hangar where the BMP 2 stood, I decided to break through the BMP board with the SVD. He moved away, took aim - bang - the dent remained, but did not strike, but the bullet flying off towards the side - almost hit the fighter - who was standing on the side. The bullet was later picked out from the concrete wall. (SVD - carried four years in TashVOKU, I was a sniper there).

[Laksamana besar]

These videos on YouTube are a cloud.

[Laksamana besar]

So cooler ... :

[Weyland]

in fact, it should be remembered that rail steel is quite solid and durable, but by definition it is not armored, it does not have its functions!

[geniy]

And all the time it surprises me - what are these stupid experimenters always up to! Well, they don’t have the mind to shoot from a long distance! And they always shoot very close - 20 meters - it's almost point blank! And what would happen if they shoot from at least 100 meters, or better, from 500 meters? Even an armor-piercing bullet would easily have pierced the same thing - or not?
Because even an ordinary helmet of a Soviet soldier of the 41-year-old model became only 1 mm thick from the Mosin rifle from a distance of about 800 m, an ordinary bullet no longer pierced!

[Yeah]

and we were idle 5.45 point-blank (with a plastic cartridge) and also punched. hard hat ...
...

[Voxr]

"Can AK break through the rail"

It can of course, it has long been known ...! The main thing is that Kalash should not be left, there are a lot of fakes in the world now.

[geniy]

"Can AK break through the rail"
It can of course, this has long been known.

What: really, really can? And for example, from 200 meters will also be able to? And from 500 meters can? And will he be able to break through from 800 meters?

[Bormanxnumx]

Of course, if this is not a “left” Kalash, then he will certainly break the rail. Especially if you fasten your bayonet and throw Kalash like a spear.)))))
Maybe the whole thing is in the used cartridge, and not in the right or left Kalash?

[Voxr]

Quote: BORMAN82

Maybe the whole thing is in the used cartridge, and not in the right or left Kalash?

And this is also a prerequisite ..! Of course, I’m not a special specialist, but the Kalash barrel made of special alloys and the control there is clear, as are the cartridges for it .. (there is almost manual assembly and verification of each one is very serious) Kalash is valued for this all over the world!
And to punch the rail, it’s just show off .. The weapon must merge with the soldier’s body, so that he doesn’t destroy any unnecessary movements and reflections in battle .. He’s respected for this legendary machine gun!

[Bormanxnumx]

Quote: VOXR

but the Kalash barrel made of special alloys and the control there goes well, as well as the cartridges for it .. (there is almost manual assembly and everyone’s verification is very serious) Kalash is valued for this all over the world!

Yes, the trunks are made from clear mithril, and the cartridges are sorted out by elven virgins. And they say that kissing Kalash strengthens potency - it becomes like a P65 rail (but this is not 100% verified information)

[Voxr]

Quote: BORMAN82

And they say that kissing Kalash strengthens potency -

Of course you have it with the liberals .. You just lick the door at the US Embassy .. Languages ​​are covered with greens! But Russia "lick!" you will not succeed!

[geniy]

And punching the rail, it's just show off .. The weapon must merge with the body of a soldier

The main task of any weapon is to most effectively influence the enemy, and not merge with the body.
And an enemy soldier in battle can be not just a body dressed in clothes, and sometimes sheltered behind thin armor - for example, behind: an armor shield, an armored personnel carrier, finally behind a bulletproof vest, and even an ordinary helmet also protects. And as correctly noted below konstantin68 - even from a Kalashnikov machine gun from a distance of 150 m he failed to break through the rear walls of the BMP-2, and what can we say about the penetration of the machine at the same distance? And if it is known that the Mosin rifle pierced the helmet no further than 800 meters, then it is clear that Kalash will break through the usual old helmet from a distance of no more than 500-600 meters. A modern Kevlar helmet is even closer! Well, is nobody really interested in the real distance with which small arms breaks through protective armor? Why are all the experimental fools firing at bulletproof vests only from a distance almost point-blank - from 10 meters, while in real combat conditions soldiers will have to shoot at each other from distances of 100-500 meters. So will a Russian machine gun pierce a bulletproof vest from such a distance? Nefig shoot on a rail almost at point blank range - shoot at a helmet or body armor (not from a rifle, but from a machine gun!) From a distance of, for example, 500 meters!

[Zaits]

BORMAN82. The Kalash bayonet is a completely different song. Songs about a broken rail are noticeably more fun. Anyone like that, but I immediately remember the Hasek story about coconuts ...

[Weyland]

Quote: BORMAN82

Especially if you fasten your bayonet and throw Kalash like a spear

the most effective edged weapon is a bayonet-knife. If the handle is used "Kalash" (s)

[Foundling]

Lowers! narrow gauge rail. Plus shooting in unmarked unequipped places. Have clowns already confiscated weapons?

[Old warrior]

I KNEW!

[AID.S]

BO for children: Can the Kalashnikov break through the railroad?

The question from the series is which is heavier, a kilogram of cotton wool or a kilogram of bricks. Perhaps it will strike if you shoot Kalash from a rail gun. But doubtful.

[geniy]

Oh, and by the way: good steel armor must be hardened from the outside, and from the opposite - on the contrary - soft. Therefore, good armor is called heterogeneous - that is, with different strength properties in thickness, in contrast to the weaker homogeneous one. So - the rail head must have a hardened rail head, and the rail wall - on the contrary, is relatively soft. That is, at the factory, a red-hot rail is lowered by a head into oil, or a cold air is blown through the head. And therefore, the strength of the rail head has a strength of 325 kg / mm 2, and the rail wall is much less durable - only 230 kg / mm2.
And they shoot in these "experiments" on the non-hardened rail wall! That is, these "experiments" are not related to comparison with the penetration of a real armor by a bullet.

[Weyland]

Quote: geniy

strength 325 kg / mm 2, and the rail wall is much less durable - only 230 kg / mm2.

only not strength, but hardness (strength is approximately three times lower than hardness)

[geniy]

I agree. You're right.

[Captain45]

Quote: geniy

the hot rail is lowered into the oil with a head, or cold air is blown over the head.

In this case, the main thing is not to confuse which head where to lower

[konstantin68]

I was always struck by these performance characteristics. AKM breaks the rail! So what? The T-72 tank is designed for 10 minutes of battle! By whom, what battle, what modification, and most importantly, why is such an indicator needed?
Personally shot from the PC at the BMP-2 aft tanks / doors. Distance-150-200m, LPS bullet. I didn’t break through.

[nikoliski]

I have long seen a vidos on YouTube where it is clearly shown that the usual rail on which our trains go does not break out of the AK and even from the SVD! Then they brought a light rail from the narrow gauge - that makes its way

[kaban7]

"The experimenters concluded that with conventional hunting weapons, it is almost impossible to break through centimeter steel ...."
This is what the heights of wisdom must be reached in order to make such a conclusion? All of them were sure that the rail can be pierced with an ordinary TOZ-34 type shotgun.

[shinobi]

But the main message and meaning of the topic remained behind the scenes. Do not rely heavily on the armor and helmet. At a distance of urban combat, 25-80 meters, they will not help much if there is no steel plate 1,5 cm thick nearby. Or concrete slab at half a meter.

[geniy]

I do not agree with you about the futility of body armor and helmets. The fact is that most of these fools of experimenters, in their lying experiments, as a rule put weapons in an advantageous position against a protective barrier. That is, they shoot as a rule from a very close range - almost point-blank, and as a rule at an angle most unfavorable for non-penetration - 90 degrees. But even at the angle of the munition with an obstacle of 40 degrees, a complete rebound often occurs.
That is, you brought the simplest case: an offensive battle in urban conditions, when a fighter runs towards the enemy and has no protection in front of him and the angle of the bullets with body armor is 90 degrees. But there can be two or even three types of battle: offensive, defensive in urban conditions, and trench warfare - when fighters shoot at each other from trenches that are at a distance of at least 200-300 meters.
So, even if the fighter being fired is located in the city, and the enemy is 25-80 meters away from him, the fighter may be behind some kind of barrier, even if it’s even the wall of a tram or bus. And even if its thickness is only 1 mm, but on the other hand, a bullet breaking through this barrier often begins to tumble. And in the next obstacle - a bulletproof vest or a helmet can enter no longer forward nose, but flat. And penetration is greatly reduced.
And in a trench war, the firing range can be 200-300 meters. from such a distance, it is necessary to check the penetration of body armor, and the ability to penetrate them from hand small arms.

[keysi]

A friend of the sniper told the AK-47 the rail punches but does not pierce the excavator bucket! But the AK-74 doesn’t break the rail but the bucket is full of holes, it looks like it’s in steel! So there is a topic to drill a Soviet excavator bucket!