On the Russian-Chinese helicopter AHL put Ukrainian engines. Serdyukov explains

It became known that the promising Russian-Chinese helicopter AHL (Advanced Heavy Lifter) will receive Ukrainian engines from the company Motor Sich. Experts immediately had a logical question about this: why are Russia and China involved in the project, and will the engines be purchased from Ukraine? This question is answered by the head of the aviation segment of the corporation "Rostec" Anatoly Serdyukov in an interview RBC.

According to the former Minister of Defense of Russia, the Chinese side insisted on the purchase of the Ukrainian engines, since “she is the lead developer, and she has to decide on which helicopter the engine will be completed with.”

Serdyukov:

But I know for sure that if Rostec would make an engine for AHL, then it would have turned out much more modern and more economical than the one that Motor Sich now has.

But if so, then why did the Russian side of cooperation fail to convince the Chinese that engines should be purchased from Russia, if only for the simple reason that it is Russia, and not Ukraine, that very cooperative side of the project of a promising helicopter?

This question was not asked Serdyukov. At the same time, the head of the aviation segment of Rostec, trying to justify the actual loss of the opportunity to conclude a contract for the supply of Russian engines for AHL, announced that for large helicopters "the most difficult is not so much the engine as the gearbox and the overall design."

For your information:
The Russian-Chinese AHL is actually created on the basis of the Mi-26. The final goal of the project is to create a new-generation heavy helicopter. Earlier, the Mi-26 was also equipped with D-136 engines manufactured in Ukraine.

Comments

[The black]

Interestingly, I alone disgust this Comrade?

[PalBor]

Yes, because it is the most honest, the most noble, thinking only about the prosperity of the Motherland.
Wrote and almost vomited from the positivity of this character.

[Titsen]

Quote: PalBor

it is the most dishonest, most noble, thinking only about the prosperity of the motherland.

So we must still be able to and not everyone is given!

Here it is the personnel reserve of our President with the motto LIKE NOT ONLY HELICOPTER ENGINES, BUT ALL RUSSIA!

FRAMES DECIDE EVERYTHING!

[LSA57]

Quote: Titsen

WE DO NOT ONLY HELICOPTER ENGINES

iron logic
since the Chinese are not needed, we will not put it on our own?
because how to try to make panic out of small things in panic
in Russia they will make helicopters and there will be enough engines for them

[Shurik70]

Thailand already knows for sure that it is impossible to deal with the Kiev Junta.
China wants to make sure personally that it’s not necessary to step on this rake.
See you soon.

[MPN]

Head of the aviation segment of Rostec Corporation Anatoly Serdyukov

An aviator from God, and not even an economist ... all the dark days of aircraft building are coming ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Titsen

BUT AND ALL RUSSIA!
FRAMES DECIDE EVERYTHING!

God forbid such shots that are ready to put Russia in a “corner” because of one contract
your wife didn’t give you money for a hangover, to get divorced?

[Serg koma]

Quote: Titsen

Here it is the personnel reserve of our President

Yeah - Bird Talker To say in order to say something

But I know for sure that if Rostec did would engine for AHL, it would have turned out to be much more modern and more economical than the one that Motor Sich now has.

"The most difficult thing is not so much the engine as the gearbox and the overall design."

Goat(and Goats) again in the garden and with "cabbage" ... THANKS to Putin and Medvedev for the pasture created for livestock!

[LSA57]

Quote: Serg Koma

THANKS to Putin and Medvedev for the pasture created for livestock!

It looks like you are in a swoop on the site. Yes, every week planes, missiles, ships become operational.
YOU only see the negative !!!!
WHAT A TRAGEDY that the engines didn’t take those ??????????????? all around the world all contracts agree ?????? yes your favorite striped bummer after bummer get !!!!!! worry about them !!!!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: LSA57

It looks like you are in a swoop on the site. Yes, every week planes, missiles, ships become operational.

And you look like a site on contentment? Whatever opus comes from power, do you all poke on those meager (1,2-1,5%) economic breakthroughs? Yes, this is constructive criticism. For you, supporters of the anti-people regime, it would not be bad to explain to us - not cheers-patriots, what for us in the helicopter industry is a stupid person who does not have the appropriate education or work experience? What then can the Chinese not offer (if they insisted) to buy S-400 and various other goods, which are so "rich" in Ukraine? Fortunately, the engine would be better, and that's okay. And then ... Well, you know better, you're a regular on the site ...

[LSA57]

Quote: ROSS 42

wouldn’t it be bad to explain to us - not to the patriots, why the dumb person in the helicopter industry who does not have the appropriate education or work experience?

nominate yourself. I will personally vote for you
in the meantime, do so

[spektr9]

Yes, every week planes, missiles, ships become operational.

However, their total number is steadily decreasing; however, the paradox is

[LSA57]

Quote: spektr9

However, their total number is steadily decreasing; however, the paradox is

Do you personally recycle them? where if not a secret?

[spektr9]

It utilizes time, the technology of the 80s cannot be eternal, and 10 aircraft, 1 boat and 50 missiles a year cannot obviously replace them ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Serg Koma

THANKS to Putin and Medvedev for the pasture created for livestock!

It looks like you are in a swoop on the site. Yes, every week planes, missiles, ships become operational.
YOU only see the negative !!!!
WHAT A TRAGEDY that the engines didn’t take those ??????????????? all around the world all contracts agree ?????? yes your favorite striped bummer after bummer get !!!!!! worry about them !!!!

The tragedy is not in the engines, but in the asshole and traitor, who would be shot for good, and he is the leader, Vasilyeva in the deputies lacks eh. Although what I mean, the Russian court will not let me lie, they are innocent with sauce and did not know anything

[LSA57]

Quote: Vol4ara

The tragedy is not in the engines, but in the asshole and traitor, whom to shoot for good

Article 38 in the days of Stalin.
Attention!!!!
Suspicion.....
Start with me. Suspect me that I'm stopping planes from flying.
are added to bonus just for luck!
the liberals do not need anything, they started up a rumor and all right.
give 2 lyama.
for good.
Cheka is not asleep !!!!!

[AUL]

Quote: Titsen

FRAMES DECIDE EVERYTHING!

But it does not sink!

[NEOZ]

Quote: Titsen

WE DO NOT ONLY HELICOPTER ENGINES,

please explain which engines and who profuc?

[astepanov]

Quote: PalBor

Yes, because it is the most honest, the most noble, thinking only about the prosperity of the Motherland.

And what do you want, the honesty and integrity of these guys in the blood - in the most literal sense. All of them form labor dynasties, being tied by kinship. There, already Rogozin Jr. arrived in time, the same "scientist" as dad. I have a strong suspicion that when the next governor is planted with pomp, they simply clear the bread place for his little man. Well, judge for yourselves: a poor fellow can be taken away with us for a stolen chicken, and Serdyukov for the crimes that under Stalin would have cost him his life was not hurt. As, however, and his loneliness. Then someone else retains the illusion that the country has a future under the tillage, huh?

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Black

Interestingly, I alone disgust this Comrade?

like Chubais, he is not drowned, but where is Vasiliev?

[Zadayvoprosy]

like Chubais, he is not drowned, but where is Vasiliev?

Will marry him. And the damned liberals will again try to ruin the country and substitute our guarantor

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Zadayvoprosy

Will marry him. And the damned liberals will again try to ruin the country and substitute our guarantor

your "guarantor" was already set up with a pensioner, especially when you changed the methodology for calculating life expectancy

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Serdyukov married Vasilyeva:

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Serdyukov married Vasilyeva:

bitterly young, how many "vasilyevy serdyukov" will it be? iPhone does not think where to get the money?

[Prisoner]

So they need ugliness. For some reason, I remembered the finale of the film "Listener".

[Zadayvoprosy]

your "guarantor" is already framed with a pensioner

You can go even further and say it directly and honestly: he set himself up, even his nuclear electorate came in shock.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Zadayvoprosy

even his nuclear electorate came in shock.

Sho new Chernobyl is brewing

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

your "guarantor" was already set up with a pensioner, especially when you changed the methodology for calculating life expectancy

But it seems to me that Putin’s principle is as follows:

Ah, it's not difficult to deceive me! ..
I'm happy to deceive myself!

[Angel_and_Demon]

and you, my friend, are an esthete and an intellectual, and now it’s not worth the price

[ARES623]

Quote: ROSS 42

But it seems to me that Putin’s principle is as follows:
Ah, it's not difficult to deceive me! ..
I'm happy to deceive myself!

It only "surrenders." And probably only to you. Those who are ready to deceive themselves do not crawl to the top of the world political Olympus. So you pretend to be more insightful, but not the president, even your house management. It’s just that he (GDP) rarely voices the full range of tasks that he sets for his nominees. As a rule, in the same ministry different stages of development are assigned to completely different ministers. Each of them fulfills its role with its "breakthroughs" and "falls". Something is visible to us, but something is not. And the Supreme can see everything, in the necessary "resolution". And you "felt" the elephant by the tail, and immediately give an authoritative opinion. Strong...

[The black]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

and where is Vasilyeva?

So it is necessary to ask Serdyuk

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: Black

So it is necessary to ask Serdyuk

already answered - married him

[Vard]

No, of course ... however, this is interesting ... how much and who received it because the engines will be Ukrainian ... and the Chinese comrades are aware that Ukraine has passed a law prohibiting all military cooperation with Russia ...

[your1970]

Quote: Vard

No, of course ... however, this is interesting ... how much and who received it because the engines will be Ukrainian ... and the Chinese comrades are aware that Ukraine has passed a law prohibiting all military cooperation with Russia ...

1) Well, obviously NOT Serdyukov - China decides
2) and Ukraine does not cooperate with the Russian Federation on this issue - you never know with whom do Chinese helicopters do?

[KLV2018]

Quote: Black

Interestingly, I alone disgust this Comrade?

Thanks to GDP for this giant thought.

[bolt]

Quote: Black

Interestingly, I alone disgust this Comrade?

A note, actually, about the helicopter project, and not about your complexes.

[The black]

Quote: crashing

A note, actually, about the helicopter project, and not about your complexes.

Well, can you say about the helicopter project?

[Vard]

So this is all for the fact that the Ukrainian partners will take the money ... And they will say about the motors ... The law doesn’t order to put ... It has already been more than once ...

[romandostalo]

I think there is a mass of people in whom this blue thief causes disgust, especially in camouflage!

[romandostalo]

Comrades, I'm sorry that it's so late, but it seems that the guarantor is preparing the situation in the country for which Khrushchev wanted to give the order to Nicholas II!

[ARES623]

Quote: Black

Interestingly, I alone disgust this Comrade?

It is not ComradeCh that causes disgust, but his image in the media. And it can be absolutely two different "tovarScha". As for the joint helicopter, unfortunately, we do not have an equivalent replacement for D-136 today. But I’m sure that by 2014-26 it will be by the year soon. In the form of a modification of PD-12.

[KOPA]

You are not alone in your opinion)))

[Prisoner]

Hardly. With his abilities, this is unlikely.

[rotmistr60]

If everything is true, as Serdyukov says, then the assumption arises that the Chinese are pursuing their goals. For example, in exchange for the purchase of Ukrainian engines, something from Ukraine to China that has not yet been outbid. The situation is really strange.

[Angel_and_Demon]

Quote: rotmistr60

Serdyukov:
But I know for sure that if Rostec would make an engine for AHL, then it would have turned out much more modern and more economical than the one that Motor Sich now has.

If everything is true, as Serdyukov says, then the assumption arises that the Chinese are pursuing their goals.

then the old man grabbed the plant near Orsha, owned by "motor sich" - well, he’s got a scent

[Avis-bis]

Quote: rotmistr60

For example, in exchange for the purchase of Ukrainian engines, something from Ukraine to China that has not yet been outbid. The situation is really strange.

Nothing strange. China buys Ukraine. "Antonov" with his An-225 has actually been pulled to him. Now crawled to the engines. The D-36 and D-18 family are powerful.

[Lieutenant colonel]

I support. There is a shit, now here, ubl.od.

[Mountain shooter]

Yes, we can not yet produce as many engines as they need. That is the reason. And Motor Sich is not loaded. Again, dumped. The Chinese - they are such Chinese. ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Yes, we can not yet produce as many engines as they need.

Can't or don't want to? It, of course, to pour sand instead of stone, to take away billions of budget funds. to close enterprises and keep workers on beggarly wages - forever YES!!!
Let me ask, not for the red words, but in order to increase the cultural level: "What the hell are people who, being in positions and with higher salaries, cannot?"

[1536]

Apparently, today without cooperation on a global scale in the helicopter industry can not do? At least that's what the Chinese say. In fact, it’s stupid to spy, or spend money on your development, if you can take everything and buy, especially since there are sellers. A bright representative, as it is called ..., oh yes, the "comprador bourgeoisie."

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 1536

today, cooperation on a global scale in the helicopter industry is indispensable

And in the pension issue, our leadership cooperated with the IMF ... So easily took and accepted recommendations to reduce the burden on the soil by older people in a single northern country ...

[1536]

You are famously from “helicopters” to “pension reform”. Both quotes and quotes, and I say that you are absolutely right. I don’t know, dear, your age, but many of today's critics and talkers “against all” and against everything just ran through the streets and squares of Moscow and other cities of the USSR at the end of the 1980-s and the beginning of the 1990-s, and shouted “down Communists, give McDonald's and America! " Got! Wrong again?
If you are a young person, then ask your parents, who, perhaps, are today approaching the retirement age in Soviet times, and what was “wrong” during their youth. And if we are the same age, then I repeat, you are absolutely right, but we are part of this world, which, alas, we did not make, but that other world is no longer there, we didn’t want it. So get and sign!

[cobalt]

The engines are not the main thing, the main thing is the seats, a third of the price of the cost of the helicopter, the supplier is personally a stool, and a locker for each helicopter, also a sideboard from it.

[Zaurbek]

It’s just that ours is not, but there is Ukrainian.

[Thunderbolt]

The normal scheme for the Chinese, because Motor Sich makes wonderful engines /// Glory to the USSR! ///.
Reconcile yourself to the fools and fortunetellers.

[baggage]

I know for sure that if Rostec made an engine for AHL, it would have turned out to be much more modern and more economical than the one that Motor Sich now has

Where such confidence.

[ultra]

Quote: bagration

Where such confidence.

And we believe in ourselves! The national trait is this.

[Ros 56]

This comrade (Serdyukov, who) absolutely does not interest me. But the fact that our, by and large spinner, put the Ukrainian engine, it is alarming. Indeed, if for some reason the Chinese and I run away, then, in fact, we will give them a full-fledged helicopter, because the development is joint. That's where the special services have to dig, who and for how much showed such generosity. Corruptionists, especially in international projects, must be judged as espionage and treason to the motherland with all the ensuing without any discounts.

[Million]

The furniture maker deals with helicopters .... N-yes ....

[amateur2]

Furniture maker Serdyukov, journalist Rogozin, economist Chubais, etc. For complete happiness, a proctologist is needed in Rosatom.

[astepanov]

Quote: amateur2

For complete happiness, a proctologist is needed in Rosatom.

/ Just think, proctologist - Kindersurprise has just left, he is a specialist in the lottery business (he even has two patents) and psychic.
Yes, everything is decided by the staff. Crap shots, but decide. For us.

[bmv04636]

As I understand it, the Chinese want to drag the stitch motor to China from territory 404

[Baloo]

Pinocchio is also an outstanding builder of helicopters, a genius can be said.
And what, in Bandera they built large helicopters and do they have an engine, gearbox, etc. for such?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Balu

And what, in Bandera they built large helicopters and do they have an engine, gearbox, etc. for such?

And you count how many helicopters in Russia fly on the engines of Motor Sich. Only in the last 3-4 years there was an opportunity to abandon them.

[Baloo]

Quote: Piramidon

Bandera built large helicopters and they have for such an engine, gearbox and more?

Bandera built large helicopters and they have for such an engine, gearbox and more?

Lysova (Vladimir) Today, 08: 15
But it seems to me that this initiative is not Chinese, but old, still unpunished interests.

Creating a new car is not an easy task.

[bald]

But it seems to me that this initiative is not Chinese, but old, still unpunished interests.

[your1970]

Quote: bald

But it seems to me that this initiative is not Chinese, but old, still unpunished interests.

-ag, and China out of love to Serdyukov grandmother will pay and take risks in case of not supplying engines ????

[bald]

China is well aware of the quality of ukrovoenprom, well, it was not without reason that he went for it, there was someone to persuade and have profit. Although I'm there, I honestly did not attend, probably my mother wrote.

[your1970]

that is, in your opinion Chinese officials absolutely not afraid of being shot for such frenzied corruption ??? ready for ALIEN (Serdyukovsky)gesheft under the bullets to climb? Well, well ....

this country recalls 404-they blame GDP for everything, and you- Serdyukov

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: your1970

... they blame the GDP for everything, and you - Serdyukov ...

For some reason, it reminded the classic: "to understand is to explain."
In this case, find the one to blame.

[bald]

Sergey, it’s not clear at all here, well, they’re not fools at the expense of cheapness, to buy lower quality, if Ukraine has preserved it at all, the more they have money, and copy our engine, like much more. So all sorts of other assumptions climb.

[abc_alex]

Lord comrades! Is it hard to just think? What is the main problem for Kuznetsov with helicopters and motors? That's right - lack of serial capacity. Hardly have time to serve the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And then there's the Chinese project. The Chinese simply took what is now in the right quantity. It is a well-grounded decision. In my case, pulling a blanket over yourself is foolish: the Chinese will say - you need 50 motors a month from the new GTD, and?
Again, do not forget about the "Chinese Xerox." They have certain problems with longevity, but if the supply of individual nodes from us solves these problems, what do you say when the Chinese clones of Sichev engines will appear?

[KCA]

Cho broke something? And will Motor Sich be able to assemble at least a dozen engines for testing, not to mention the series?

[Vadim237]

This company is probably one of the few in Ukraine, which is doing well.

[KCA]

A helicopter of this class costs like a Boeing 747, the Chinese are not stupid, they will check how well things are going on the outskirts

[Mimoprohodil]

What do you mean? Mi-26 is mass-produced and there are Ukrainian engines

[KCA]

PD-12V is already in trials, a year or two, if agla, then at least now they will start production, it is not the first time to launch a series without state acceptance

[Mimoprohodil]

On trials there can be something that does not exist yet

Production and testing of the first prototype PD-12V are planned for 2020.

In May this year, the head of the Russian Helicopters holding Andrei Boginsky said that flight tests of the remotorized Mi-26s will take place after 2022.

[edeligor]

[quote] [But if so, then why did the Russian side of cooperation not be able to convince the Chinese that the purchase of engines should be carried out from Russia, if only for the simple reason that Russia, and not Ukraine, is the very cooperative side of the project promising helicopter? / quote]
But because TABURETKIN! How is the famous EBN? - Family is the main thing ... The bill for edra is growing. I wonder if there is someone who captures the "exploits" of our moon-faced leadership? Or, as before, people unleash everything ?!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Hmm .. maybe then they do it themselves, if they are so persistent. We already fund the junta

[Snail N9]

the Chinese side insisted on the purchase of Ukrainian engines, since "it is the lead developer, and it is up to her to decide which engine the helicopter will be equipped with."

The phrase “Russian-Chinese” will make laugh, but “Chinese, with some participation of Russia” is necessary .... The Chinese, who are also “partners,” they recognize relations with them only in the form “when the main decisions will be theirs”. Well, the question is, where is the benefit for Russia from changing the "partner"? "Shilo-on soap"?

[donavi49]

I wonder why everyone attacked Serdyukov so much - if the Chinese form the face of the side under the contract.

Why Ukrainian engines:
- zero risk, D-136 is already in stock. It has excellent statistics. The helicopter version of the younger PD - will be 2022 + with the maximum risks of both a time shift and sores (the Chinese do not want to run it in themselves, there will be statistics + certificate - then there will be a conversation). This is generally very Chinese. They are practically not included in projects with paper products - if they are not their own projects. Their principle is evolution. It is better to put 100% working with good statistics and confirmed characteristics - albeit worse than tormenting with a new one and shifting the deadlines. And when the new finish - then it can also be bought .

- MS and Ivchenko are actively bought by the Chinese. At all levels. Ivchenko is more complicated - for a state-owned enterprise. MS is more active, because Boguslaev is ready for anything. Already a joint venture plant was opened in Tianjiao. And they begin (started) to assemble engines from kits with a plan for 85% localization in China. That is, in fact, D-136 - on the basis of a joint venture in Tianjiao can be localized, having received all the technologies. And the site is already there, Boguslaev is actively cooperating.

- Well, and most importantly - there is no alternative. I wrote above. The Chinese are very reluctant to sign paper products. Junior Helicopter PD is 100% paper now. Albeit with justification. When it works. When will show the best characteristics. When on which Mi-26M4 flies a couple of years. Then the Chinese will easily sign it.

[aleksandrs95]

thanks clearly explained. That is, you yourself need to bring the engine to mind and sell it or make products based on it.

[_Ugene_]

They took the Soviet Mi-26, put Ukrainian engines and Chinese avionics, voila, the latest helicopter is ready

[donavi49]

The new building. New composite rotor of optimum shape. New systems. New opportunities.

If that Ukrainian D-136 are in 100% of the Mi-26 helicopters operated (including in new in Russia). For there is no other.

No - perhaps it could be called Mi-126 or Mi-26NG. But he is closer to the new car.

[Mimoprohodil]

So it’s like a helicopter in the dimensions of Mi-6 was going

[Piramidon]

Quote: _Ugene_

They took the Soviet Mi-26, put Ukrainian engines

Why put them if they have been standing there for a long time? What engines are Mi-26 currently flying on?

[_Ugene_]

then even easier, they took the Mi-26, replaced the body and avionics

[Rostislav]

What kind of nonsense? The helicopter is being created on the basis of MI-26, and the main developer is the Chinese ?! And all the technical documentation there?
Who is this “movie” arranged?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Rostislav

What kind of nonsense? The helicopter is being created on the basis of MI-26, and the main developer is the Chinese ?! And all the technical documentation there?
Who is this “movie” arranged?

Who pays, he orders the music.

[top_war_shit]

why is he not sitting

[vit357]

Interesting) Do the Chinese know what a "rake" is?)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: vit357

Interesting) Do the Chinese know what a "rake" is?)))

Apparently, they did not attack the Ukrainian rake.

[Altona]

The negotiator from God is simple. It so happened that Russia acted as a furniture store, where Ukraine sold its stools to China. Prior to this, the Mistrals, which went to Egypt, were just as charming.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

Before that, Mistral was just as charming

The custodians returned the money for the Mistral, not?
Mistral were bought? RF ??! And after that, "went to Egypt"?
Are you in good health, boyar?

[Altona]

Quote: donavi49

If that Ukrainian D-136 are in 100% of the Mi-26 helicopters operated (including in new in Russia). For there is no other.

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And sho? So this is another re-trampling of the same helicopter, even if you call it restyling, a critical rethinking, but if you have a comparatively large fuselage and the same power plant, it's still the same helicopter.

[donavi49]

Well, the question is the percentage of new. If something is MiG-35 / D - it is in fact MiG-29М / M2 in the new version of the airframe and systems.

This helicopter has:
- A new building, which is created by the Chinese from AVIC in cooperation with BP (and by the outline of the layout their design is already recognizable, with notes like on their current AC313).

- A completely new rotor, composites and a new form.
- The Chinese side is also developing a new cabin (crew reduction to 2), avionics and the necessary equipment. In collaboration with Russian enterprises.
- gearbox = Russia enterprise Reducer-PM.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Angel_and_Demon

"guarantor" has already framed with a pensioner

who will set him up? He is a monument!

[kunstkammer]

Quote: donavi49

Why Ukrainian engines

Yes, because someone needs to pay for the murders of Russian people in the Donbass. Where Bandera money will take it? Russia will pay ... For nothing that the flow of money from the "aggressor" to Ruin is growing.
How can Serdyukov not please the relatives of the Ukronazists?

[Altona]

Quote: donavi49

- gearbox = Russia enterprise Reducer-PM.

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Is that all? Then let the Chinese themselves work directly with the Ukrainians. Why do they need such a negotiator with a young wife?
If something and the MiG-35 / D - it is in fact the MiG-29M / M2 in the new version of the airframe and systems.
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In fact, yes, the Americans probably do not bother with the new names, but simply assign the next block numbering.

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

The custodians returned the money for the Mistral, not?
Mistral were bought? RF ??! And after that, "went to Egypt"?

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Who about what, and you about money. Money was returned, but money does not increase defense capability. This is about this, and not about commercial interest. Well, for you, mercantile interest is the most basic. Initially, we bought the mains, manufactured them for us, but in the end they refused to supply us. Or is this news for you?
PS That is, we did not buy Mistral? Not? And the supply contract is not concluded? They drew themselves?
PSS As for good health, address yourself, you have long been no friendship with logic and head.

[Golovan Jack]

Once again, for the gifted: the phrase

Quote: Altona

... were purchased (RF) Mistral, which went to Egypt ...

in Russian means that:
- Russia bought (paid) Mistral
- and they went to Egypt.
This phrase is not interpreted in any other way.
Stop bustling and start thinking already when you write - I'm tired of laughing at you already

[Genry]

A delusional article that is widely distributed on Internet publications (almost verbatim), but does not have a link to the source (where is it copied from?). Link to RBC - it’s stupid to the site and not to the interview (although it exists).
The text is emasculated to the state: find a phrase with a couple of suitable words, take it out of context and write your own nonsense. We add a dozen biased (custom-made) comments for atmospheric and no one will read the interview itself without idiotic conclusions.

[Igoresha]

Serdyukov from what was called the "army" really created the Army. The Soviet-Yeltsin general was completely incapable of such a thing. And so little is stuck to the hands of such a time.

[g1v2]

The Chinese bought a Sich motor and are building a plant at home. Accordingly, he needs orders. So they insist on their engines. And most importantly, we ourselves are buying helicopter engines for civilian helicopters from Motor Sich. Klimovtsy near St. Petersburg only satisfy military needs so far. If we have not yet met our needs, then where do we get the engines for a joint helicopter with China? In addition, no one bothers to increase the production of those helicopters that are designed for us to equip with their own engines.

[donavi49]

D136 (Mi-26) - only in Ukraine. They set up their own only for mass machines (MiNUMX / 8 / Ka28). Mi-52 in MO - come with Ukrainian engines, from a previously created reserve. Algerian Mi-26Т26 - with Ukrainian engines under export contracts.

[g1v2]

Thanks for the clarification. But it seems that the Sich motor just wanted to produce d136 in China?

[komradbuh]

"Departure" is over, crawled out onto the screens

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

But I know for sure that if Rostec would make an engine for AHL, then it would have turned out much more modern and more economical than the one that Motor Sich now has.
Maybe it would be necessary to make such an engine first, and the problem would be solved by itself?

[23424636]

There is no Russian engine, it may be in '22, or development work may not be carried out, it’s a pitchfork on water. Therefore, I did not understand why Serdyukov speaks about Rostec’s abilities. The Chinese without straining take in Zaporozhye engines by bank transfer. and put them for this project .. if the Ukrainian grief-suppliers start kicking on Russian purchases. I heard that engines for the Mi-17 are bought for cash at the border of .Ukraine-Russia.

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

in Russian means that:
- Russia bought (paid) Mistral
- and they went to Egypt.
This phrase is not interpreted in any other way.
Stop bustling and start thinking already when you write - I'm tired of laughing at you already

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It you, clings to phrases with its typically zaradoperemozhnym logic. The delivery contract was, the fact of payment was. Deliveries did not take place, the Mistrals in the terminal were resold to Egypt. I just go nuts with your Putin patriotism.

PS What about "I do not believe the Government", from the information bins of which you eat? Not yet tired of the "State Department" training manuals to juggle?
PPS And yes, thanks to the State Department that I allowed to return the money for non-delivery, otherwise I could forbid it. Isn't it, Golovan? The great change that could turn out to be a hail

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

The delivery contract was, the fact of payment was. Deliveries did not take place; Mistrals in the terminal were resold to Egypt

You always miss one important fact: at the time of resale to Egypt, the Mistrals of the Russian Federation no longer belonged. Money received in return has been returned.
Refute, or stop already, ahem ...

Quote: Altona

I just go nuts with your Putin patriotism

Where did you even see this "patriotism"? Altona, I repeat: I'm tired of laughing with you already
PS: thanks for advertising my profile. By the way, what was written there is true, I have been living alone for a long time, and I have no one to rely on except myself. Not for the government
PS:

Quote: Altona

And yet, yes, thanks to the State Department that at least allowed me to return the money for non-delivery ...

Do you think that at least something in this world happens without the participation of the State Department? Well, sorry, do you also go to the toilet with the help of the State Department, or do you yourself?

[TT62o]

The answers of the "great aviation engineer" from the furniture industry. As if the article was as if he had revived the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, he was appointed to the post of the Ministry of Defense to lull the vigilance of the "partners". Put it on the table leg.

[Apollo]

Serdyukov makes it clear that the Russian engine - an analogue of the D-136, does not exist, which in general is true. He simply states a fact, for which you do not need to be a specialist.

This is probably one of the results of such a loudly promoted import substitution program, which, as the current head of the Ministry of Economic Development acknowledges, as it turned out, was not at all.

This indicates extreme mismanagement and complete indifference at the level of the country's leadership. If we don’t even try to build up what we know how to do, then the country is really worthless.

[Apollo]

Quote: Rostislav

What kind of nonsense? The helicopter is being created on the basis of MI-26, and the main developer is the Chinese ?!

Then at the time to ask why this is happening, and not the first time. Is it the infantility of power in the Russian Federation or corruption? Probably both.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Altona

The negotiator from God is simple. It so happened that Russia acted as a furniture store, where Ukraine sold its stools to China.

Yeah, shame! In general, it is worth saying that for some reason this comrade is still at work, I do not understand. Although how to say it. I understand that perfectly, only the defense capability of my homeland does not flourish from this ...

[Naval]

Taburetkin, as always at "height", is unsinkable phenomenal, can remain afloat and continue to saw when all compartments of one side are flooded

[TermNachTer]

Russia still does not have engines of this class. And on Mi - 6, Mi - 26 were d -136, which are produced by Motor Sich. all the more so since the newest version of the d - 136, especially for this helicopter, has already been tested on the Motor. Perhaps then they will test in China.

[Radical]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: ROSS 42

wouldn’t it be bad to explain to us - not to the patriots, why the dumb person in the helicopter industry who does not have the appropriate education or work experience?

nominate yourself. I will personally vote for you
in the meantime, do so

On the first sofa, by chance, isn't your blurry silhouette visible? In the IR range ?!

[nikvic46]

Quote: MPN

Head of the aviation segment of Rostec Corporation Anatoly Serdyukov

An aviator from God, and not even an economist ... all the dark days of aircraft building are coming ...

China will buy a batch of engines in order to create something new on the basis, but this innovation will belong to
To China. And to us ...

[steelmaker]

Something is not heard of the joyful screeching of Putin's defenders!

[bobba94]

Если бы "Ростех делал двигатели...". Если бы у бабушки была цюцюрка, то она была бы дедушкой. Где появляется Сердюков, там появляется рада зрадная.

[Sands Careers General]

А чего Сердюкова хаять, если завод по производству нужных двигателей в России не построили?

[kaban7]

"...на закупке именно украинских двигателей настояла китайская сторона, так как «она является головным разработчиком..." - это при том, что Российско-китайский AHL создаётся фактически на базе Ми-26. Как так может быть, не могу понять ? Похоже, авиастроению кранты приходят.