New megaproject Russia. The Ministry of Economic Development told about the sources of financing

Information Agency TASS referring to the head of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade, Maxim Oreshkin, reports that the government has begun to consider options for implementing the new largest infrastructure project. We are talking about a bridge that could potentially connect Sakhalin Island to the mainland. This topic was raised in the course of the “Direct Line” with the president, and Vladimir Putin then said that the economic substantiation of the construction was necessary.

According to Oreshkin, some work on the economic component of the project has already been done. He noted that there are several options, and for each there are separate amounts of expenses. At the same time, the Minister of Economic Development did not name the specific amounts.

The Minister noted from where they would be looking for funds in case of the possible construction of the Sakhalin Bridge. Maxim Oreshkin said that so far there are only two options: the federal and regional (Sakhalin) budgets and funds of Russian Railways.

From the statement of the Minister:

Obviously, the main part will be exactly from the budget of Russian Railways.

It was previously stated that if the bridge appears, it will be exclusively rail. The project will be completed by specialists in 2019. Its estimated cost is about 3,5 times the cost of the bridge connecting the Crimea to the Krasnodar Territory. If the project is approved, construction is planned to be completed in 2023.

Now most of the cargo from the island and the island is sent by sea. In the case of the rampant of the elements, Sakhalin can expect weeks to send these goods to the mainland (from the mainland), which causes a significant blow to the economy not only of Sakhalin itself, but also of the entire Far East.

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[210ox]

The theme of the Sakhalin bridge has long overripe. It is also a security issue.

[Logall]

Dmitry, , that is not clear:

if the bridge appears, it will be exclusively railway.

It is strange that the car will not. They want to make Russian Railways a monopolist? They are not going to reduce the cost of travel and transportation ... People do not count ...

[210ox]

Alexander There is no infrastructure there. Hundreds of kilometers across the mainland taiga and even to the south of Sakhalin through uninhabited places. There are nothing except railway, no towns or cities. The main population of the island lives in the south. .People can travel by train. Can you imagine how much you need to unfasten gasoline for such a trip?

Quote: Logall

Dmitry, , that is not clear:

if the bridge appears, it will be exclusively railway.

It is strange that the car will not. They want to make Russian Railways a monopolist? They are not going to reduce the cost of travel and transportation ... People do not count ...

[Logall]

In this case, the question arises: is it worth the candle?

[210ox]

There is only one sheepskin. The security of our territory. I wonder why since the days of Stalin it all hung in the air.

Quote: Logall

In this case, the question arises: is it worth the candle?

[Shurik70]

And it will be interesting, probably, to go on a train trip to Sakhalin.

How much will tickets from Moscow cost? Maybe the plane is not much more expensive?

[210ox]

It’s faster on the plane. But you don’t bring cargo by plane ..

Quote: Shurik70

And it will be interesting, probably, to go on a train trip to Sakhalin.

How much will tickets from Moscow cost? Maybe the plane is not much more expensive?

[For example]

Now most of the cargo from and to the island is sent by sea.

The Japanese forgot to say this and they created a state on the island with an economy to which we like the moon.
They just don’t know what

In the event of a rampant disaster ...

They have no Oreshkin
And in our country now only a bridge to Sakhalin is not enough. Especially to the friend of Vova who builds bridges After all, we have money like that of du.raka shag.
I still need to cross the Baikal bridge. And then, while from Irkutsk to Ulan-Ude, you’ll get a half-day detour. And then again ...
But it’s not worth talking about security. In the bridges all the country's security

[For example]

Quote: 210ox

There is only one sheepskin. The security of our territory. I wonder why since the days of Stalin it all hung in the air.

They just knew how to count, but they were shot for embezzlement.
In vain, Beria fiddled with the atomic bomb. It was necessary to get a bridge on Sakhalin! Physicists send concrete to pour, and chemists cook steel! The Americans would have surrendered right away.

[Servisinzhener]

You laugh in vain. The tunnel to Sakhalin began to dig exactly at the time when he headed the state security. And physicists and chemists at that time were also involved in concrete and steel, developing their new grades.

[For example]

New grade steel and concrete?
And how, what kind of variety did you end up with? First, third or highest? Or are you talking about sausage?
I wrote about this -

Its estimated cost is approximately 3,5 times higher than the cost of the bridge connecting the Crimea with the Krasnodar Territory.

You need to know the measure. Making ends meet is desirable. It is clear that the Kremlin has a desire to stay in history, but everyone else wants to live a hunt.

[MPN]

There was no economic justification, now it will be

Vladimir Putin then said that an economic justification for the construction is necessary.

It will be determined who will get into how much and look profitable or not, otherwise it can build another bridge ...

[Bastinda]

In the bridges all the country's security

Is it because trolls live under the bridges?

[For example]

Rabbits gather under the bridges, which are bred near them.

[Nasrat]

Quote: For example

The Japanese forgot to say this and they created a state on the island with an economy to which we like the moon.

The economy may have been, but here the simple Japanese of Sakhalin asked Stalin to leave them and not give them to Japan in 1945, moreover, the inhabitants of Sakhalin began to run away from Japan and apply for USSR citizenship ...

[For example]

Yeah, I see the picture - the Japanese ask Stalin ... Hanging between the paintings, the Cossacks write a letter to the Turkish Sultan and Walkers from Lenin.

[Nasrat]

Quote: For example

Yeah, I see the picture - the Japanese ask Stalin ... Hanging between the paintings, the Cossacks write a letter to the Turkish Sultan and Walkers from Lenin.

Do you even study the history of your native country, a patriot couch ... and do not disgrace such pussies ...

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

There is only one sheepskin. The security of our territory

then it’s logical to build a bridge to Kamchatka.
Sakhalin bridge is another cut. The population of all Sakhalin is less than 500 thousand, all live locally. J \ network is the Japanese version. There are enough ports on the metric.
With the tasks of building the Crimean bridge, is not comparable

[Serg koma]

Quote: 210ox

Security of our territory. I wonder why since the days of Stalin it all hung in the air.

Yes, probably during the time of Stalin they considered the ECONOMIC component of the project, and did not implement the PROJECTS for "budget development".
Safety? How many units are withdrawn / disbanded on Sakhalin? Or do you think that "security" is only to deliver troops from the western borders to the eastern ones? So the bridge will be a priority goal in any conflict, while traveling from the suburbs - there will be no bridge. Economic security

Maxim Oreshkin said that so far there are only two options: federal and regional (Sakhalin) budgets and funds of Russian Railways.

Currently, the Sakhalin Oblast is not a subsidized region, but would it not be like that if you hang the construction of a bridge on it ???
Data as of July 26.07.2018, XNUMX in Thys. rubles
Profits
2017 133
2016 110
deviations from 2016 -23
Costs
2016 141
2017 117
deviations from 2016 -23
DEFICIENCY / PROFICIENCY +
2016 -7
2017 -7
deviations from 2016 320 852.2
(from the official site of the Sakhalin region)

[Gennadich]

What kind of security are you talking about?

[Serg65]

Quote: Logall

People do not count ...

You at least look at the map !!!

[populist]

Logall (Alexander)
Dmitry, hi, that’s not clear:

The design of the Sakhalin bridge has long been clear. The country does not need it at all. At VO 10 times already discussed this topic. Another instillation of public money and budget spoiling for empty megaprojects.

[Serg65]

Quote: populist

At VO already 10 times discussed this topic.

VO began to fulfill the role of the All-Russian Assembly? Or became the supervisor of the government?

[avt]

Quote: populist

The design of the Sakhalin bridge has long been clear. The country does not need it at all.

What kind of

Quote: populist

Country

? Yours with Pivovarov, who offered to sell Siberia now, while they say it is possible more expensive?

Quote: Nasr

It turns out that BAM was built in vain ..

Well, according to the witnesses of the Gaidarovs in the 90s, yes. That's what they said, in vain. Now they are going to expand to serve the increasing freight traffic.

Quote: Per se.

That way, and through the Bering Strait, to Alaska, they will afterward swing, they will connect Russia with America ...

To begin with, it would be nice to revive the “notorious Gulag winter road”, and to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. At a high-quality, modern level, but with a parallel railway line. Just as Stalin’s idea of ​​a high-latitude line

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: populist

The design of the Sakhalin bridge has long been clear. The country does not need it at all. At VO 10 times already discussed this topic. Another instillation of public money and budget spoiling for empty megaprojects.

Yes, the fullness for you to "people's" money to suffer. How much you earn, so much yours. In terms of per capita, this is not very huge "bucks" are obtained.

[_Sergei_]

On Sakhalin, a narrow gauge railway. Still from the Japanese left. We also have to redo it all the way under our rut. But in the plus and people leave and the troop transfer, despite the weather.

[Nasrat]

Already started:

On Sakhalin, the final stage of re-aligning the railway to the all-Russian standard has begun
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/646316&full





In general, it’s strange to hear that there is no need for a bridge to Sakhalin and so on ... To reason like that, the Tsar built the Trans-Siberian in vain - there were few people in the Far East at that time .. It turns out that the BAM was built in vain .. there was a transib, why money was spent ... All patriots take care of their pensions, who are ready to tear up a sofa for their Motherland .. Ugh, the people have gone wrong .. You might think they are starving or there is no housing, or clothes are tattered. The trivial envy eats away these patriots ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Nasr

Ugh, the people have gone wrong ..

in vain you are so. Emotions in economic calculations are harmful.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Nasr

Ugh, the people have gone wrong ..

in vain you are so. Emotions in economic calculations are harmful.

Harmful? ... hehe, but Crimea was accepted into Russia - regardless of the economy .. Do you think it was necessary to accept Crimea or not, based on economic calculations?

[New Year day]

Quote: Nasr

however, Crimea was accepted into Russia - regardless of the economy.

I’m answering you this way: the annexation of Crimea did not happen for economic or emotional reasons, but for strategic ones. Otherwise, there would have been no security before the Urals, there would have been no Syria, and there would have been many more. Crimea is the key to the Middle East, as they said in the USSR. Even then they said, Crimea is a medallion on the chest of the Earth. They also said an aircraft carrier (13 military airfields).
Did you know that Churchill set the creation of a Jewish autonomous region in Crimea as one of the conditions of Lend-Lease?
I hope you understand the difference between Crimea and Sakhalin.

[populist]

Silvestr (Sylvester) Today, 10:51 ↑
Quote: Nasr
Ugh, the people have gone wrong ..

in vain you are so. Emotions in economic calculations are harmful.

And besides emotions, they have nothing to say. There is no economic justification. Everything else is chatter.

[Servisinzhener]

Very specific patriots. With logic, if something happens to me personally, then I am for it. And if not, then this is squandering, cutting and theft. Selyukovsky patriotism.

[_Sergei_]

Three years ago, two maneuvers were brought to our depot to repair narrow gauge railways from Sakhalin.

[Win1945]

what troops? Hello? wet fantasies again?

[Servisinzhener]

almost 800 km from the proposed construction site to Khabarovsk

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Logall

Dmitry, , that is not clear:

if the bridge appears, it will be exclusively railway.

It is strange that the car will not. They want to make Russian Railways a monopolist? They are not going to reduce the cost of travel and transportation ... People do not count ...

Passenger trains on this bridge can also be driven. If we take the number of residents of Sakhalin and the Crimea as a basis, then the payback of the automobile bridge is clearly in favor of the Crimea, and therefore the payback is not in favor of Sakhalin. So its construction is not economically feasible. As for raising funds, it seems like BRICS Bank is allocating 1 billion to Russia for infrastructure projects, and given the fact that Russia has demonstrated the ability to implement such projects on the example of the Crimean bridge, there will probably be no shortage of investors. The same China, South Korea and Japan will enter with pleasure, if they are allowed to. China has already signed up for the Belkomur project, to which there are thousands of miles to China, and here at all .....

[vlad007]

Quote: Nyrobsky

As for fundraising, it seems like BRICS Bank is allocating 1 billion to Russia for infrastructure projects

First, Russia invested 20% of the authorized capital in BRICS Bank (I don’t know exactly how much, I think no less than 2 billion, all countries have invested equally in 20%), and now it will take 1 billion from there. And what is the benefit?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: vlad007

First, Russia invested 20% of the authorized capital in BRICS Bank (I don’t know exactly how much, I think no less than 2 billion, all countries have invested equally in 20%), and now it will take 1 billion from there. And what is the benefit?

Thanks to the US authorization, we cannot be credited for a period of more than 90 days. (In my opinion, if not for a shorter period), but here are completely different conditions.

[Per se.]

Quote: 210ox

It is also a safety issue.

Rather, the issue of security is not a bridge to Sakhalin, with the border in the East empty in our country, but the strengthening of the army and navy, the development of industry. The bridge to the Crimea, due to its important strategic position and the actual blockade on the part of the current Hochlandia, was more justified. Not sickly guys rushing,

Even after the Crimean project, the bridge to Sakhalin is surprising: it will be built in the midst of “nothing,” says a federal official. In addition to the transition in the Nevelsky Strait area, the length of which is only 7 km (the narrowest isthmus in the Tatar Strait), access roads to Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Nysh station on Sakhalin need to be built, Tass Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov explained: total 500 km of railway .
Sokolov estimated the construction of a bridge with access roads to 500 billion rubles. in prices 2013 g. This is approximately 615 billion rubles. in prices of the second quarter 2017 g

. That way, and through the Bering Strait, to Alaska after a blow, they will connect Russia with America ... Where the pressing projects are turned off, they have no money for retirement, children "with a hat on the world" are collected on operations on all TV channels, and please , no problem. Cool.

[210ox]

With a hat around the world, this is another question. And it seems to have no relation to the bridge .. Yes, and to pensions ... The right people will have access to money, certain orders are not for one year for industry. Something like this.

[210ox]

The problems of the army and the navy there is just one of the solutions to this is the bridge.

Quote: Per se.

Quote: 210ox

It is also a safety issue.

Rather, the issue of security is not a bridge to Sakhalin, with the border in the East empty in our country, but the strengthening of the army and navy, the development of industry. The bridge to the Crimea, due to its important strategic position and the actual blockade on the part of the current Hochlandia, was more justified. Not sickly guys rushing,

Even after the Crimean project, the bridge to Sakhalin is surprising: it will be built in the midst of “nothing,” says a federal official. In addition to the transition in the Nevelsky Strait area, the length of which is only 7 km (the narrowest isthmus in the Tatar Strait), access roads to Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Nysh station on Sakhalin need to be built, Tass Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov explained: total 500 km of railway .
Sokolov estimated the construction of a bridge with access roads to 500 billion rubles. in prices 2013 g. This is approximately 615 billion rubles. in prices of the second quarter 2017 g

. That way, and through the Bering Strait, to Alaska after a blow, they will connect Russia with America ... Where the pressing projects are turned off, they have no money for retirement, children "with a hat on the world" are collected on operations on all TV channels, and please , no problem. Cool.

[Per se.]

Quote: 210ox

The problems of the army and the navy there is just one of the solutions to this is the bridge.

The bridge to Sakhalin is hardly the most urgent project now, and this bridge does not solve the problems of our entire Far East. Even the base on the island of Motua, rather, will more respond to security, especially the development of the railway network infrastructure along the Baikal-Amur Mainline, lower prices for passenger and freight traffic on Transsib. If gentlemen from RZD are willing to finance this project, then, most likely, the bridge to Sakhalin will only raise transportation tariffs, justify raising them "because of costs", everything again comes up against someone's personal gain, immense loot.

[konstantin68]

The construction of any infrastructure project is very good. And the loot, as you say, will end and the people who received it will go into eternity, but the bridge will remain. Right now, Russia is using the projects built by the USSR and says "thank you", and few people are interested in who, how many "cut down" the awards, awards of other "nannies" of that period during the construction.
Keep it up! Build and more!

[artifact]

Quote: konstantin68

The construction of any infrastructure project is very good. And the loot, as you say, will end and the people who received it will go into eternity, but the bridge will remain. Right now, Russia is using the projects built by the USSR and says "thank you", and few people are interested in who, how many "cut down" the awards, awards of other "nannies" of that period during the construction.
Keep it up! Build and more!

Plus, experience is gained in building unique objects in difficult geological places and conditions. And, yes, a bridge to Alaska would be the pinnacle of Putin’s rule.

[Servisinzhener]

Only with the return of Alaska to its home harbor

[New Year day]

Quote: artifact

yes, a bridge to Alaska would be the pinnacle of Putin’s rule

It is very interesting - for whom or why is it needed there?

[artifact]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: artifact

yes, a bridge to Alaska would be the pinnacle of Putin’s rule

It is very interesting - for whom or why is it needed there?

why bridges are needed at all !?

[Servisinzhener]

And how much was built during the Republic of Ingushetia as the same Transsiberian and is still used today. Also, the project cost crazy money.

[Serg65]

Quote: Per se.

children "with a cap around the world" on all channels collect finance for operations, but here, please, no question.

You do not please and do not do it badly, and they do it badly !!!!

[Per se.]

Quote: Serg65

You will not please

It's about priorities, who argue that bridges are needed. How much is Sakhalin Island now in demand, even though the bridge to the Crimea, really needed, was worth "cheaper in 3,5 times"? About this speech. If Japan had declared its readiness to participate in the project, linking Sakhalin with Hokkaido, perhaps, the skin would be worth the dressing, and so ... Do you want to rejoice, your right. Probably, the time will come, it will get warmer, and through the Kara Gate, to the New Earth, the bridge can and must be built if we live richly and happily.

[Serg65]

Quote: Per se.

How much is Sakhalin Island now in demand

Yes, generally not in demand, what for we need it, give it to the Japanese and it will be easier for you and the money will not be stolen !!!!

[Per se.]

Sergey, do not distort, and in general, “Love the Motherland” does not always mean agreeing or always being indignant. I told you, the question is in priorities, you want to prove that you need a bridge to Sakhalin here and now, justify this expediency, without likeness to the arguments of Ostap Bender on New Vasyuk. Bridges are needed, and perhaps even more now in other regions of Russia, as well as not small investments in the same construction of various facilities and projects.

[Serg65]

Quote: Per se.

want to prove that a bridge to Sakhalin is needed here and now

Sergey, why should I justify, look at the economy of Sakhalin and where it stands in Russia, this time! Secondly, the ports of Sakhalin are NOT FREEZING, unlike other ports of the Far East, but having railway communication with the mainland, the fate of these ports takes on a completely different meaning! Thirdly, the state finally turned its attention to the Kuril Islands, and who will become the basis for the supply of the Kuril Islands?

Quote: Per se.

How much is Sakhalin Island now in demand

So think about whether Sakhalin is in demand from your point of view and how much is Sakhalin in demand from the point of view of the state of Russia?
Indiscreet question, your political hobby?

[Per se.]

Quote: Serg65

Secondly, the ports of Sakhalin do not freeze in contrast to the other ports of the Far East,

In the Far East we have non-freezing ports - Vostochny, Nakhodka, Zarubino, Posyet, and there are two of them on Sakhalin, these are Nevelsk and Kholmsk. Here you are not right in your statements, as well as on the great economy on Sakhalin, you cannot agree with you unequivocally. The bridge to Sakhalin, for our power, is first of all just the “Megaproject”, a show of the great construction of capitalism. Frankly speaking, it is hard to believe that, apart from PR and dough, the interests of Russia’s development are in the first place here. Excuse me. About your "immodest question", there is a political credo, there is no "political hobby", to the question "Your political credo?", One character answered, - "Always!", I will say that I do not believe in capitalism, I believe in the socialist development of society followed by the future of the earth civilization.

[Serg65]

Quote: Per se.

In the Far East, we have ice-free ports - Vostochny, Nakhodka, Zarubino, Posyet

Sergey, I beg you, Vostochny is geared to transshipment of coal, Zarubino has only 4 berths with a total length of 650 meters — this is a maximum of 4 transport! Port cannot accept container ships too small cargo area - 2,6 sq km! You can immediately delete the posyet — this is a regional port, only Nakhodka remains, but it is overloaded!

Quote: Per se.

Sakhalin two, this is Nevelsk and Kholmsk

Seryozha, what Nevelsk? Which Kholmsk? Korsakov Sea Commercial Port of 1 category 32,5 sq. Km of cargo areas, 12,7 sq. Km of covered warehouses, 30 berth with a length of 2,7 km !!!!

Quote: Per se.

The bridge to Sakhalin, for our government, is, first of all, the Megaproject, the show of the great construction of capitalism.

And BAM, Tselin, the turn of Siberian rivers is a show of the great construction of socialism ???? And in general, I don’t understand the logic of the neo-communists ... if there is no Socialism in the country, then nothing needs to be built, because construction is possible only under Socialism !!!

Quote: Per se.

Honestly, little is believed that apart from PR and dough, the interests of Russia's development are really in the first place here

You know, my friend, I also sang in my youth ... This is the BAM buzzing rails, this is the BAM buzzing sleepers and the taiga obeys us .... and I believed in the disinterestedness of this "Megoproject" until in 89 I drove from Taishet to Komsomolsk! !!!

Quote: Per se.

I believe in the socialist development of society, which will be the future of earthly civilization.

Excuse me, but socialist society is a complete utopia, as the last 100 years of the development of earthly civilization have proved! Humanity always has base feelings over reason, be it a communist, socialist or capitalist, but they always want to have more material values ​​than their neighbor! No, well, of course there are individuals, oh they are so rare !!!

[Per se.]

Quote: Serg65

You know, my friend, I also sang in my youth ...

My youth obviously passed, if your "nickname", is tied to 1965 year. The paradox is that the socialist society is "complete utopia", and today's Russia is still alive only because it uses the achievements of the Soviet Union, the socialist model that gave the country independence from world capitalism, independence from the rules, sharpened by the masters of the capitalist system, this allowed to build a great country that has become a space and nuclear superpower. To have more material values ​​than a neighbor ... Well, excuse me, this way you should not believe in Christ, in fact, capitalism is Satanism in its purest form, where man is a wolf. Therefore, the consumer society and no future, positive capitalism ended with the advent of transnational monopolies, and, rotten, selfish morality will not give good germination. To summarize, namesake, - to each his own (Latin suum cuique). Good luck, thanks for the chat.

[Mechanic]

Together with the railways, they will lead the light to the north of the Khabarovsk Territory and the northern delivery will become cheaper. That’s all the rationale. Investigations are already in full swing. Drive geodeses on all-terrain vehicles and drive along the old Stalin narrow gauge railway

[Servisinzhener]

Fundraising for children is not only happening here, but also in richer countries. In pensions, in the comments on past articles, they believed that this amount would be enough to increase the monthly pension by 1000 rubles per year and by the new year by 1500. And if you divide the expected construction by 5 years, the size of the surcharge will be even less.

[g1v2]

According to all forecasts, Southeast Asia will become the main economic center of the 21st century. Production is concentrated there, financial centers and so on are growing there. Accordingly, our DV. which borders all its economic centers, can rise very much. As the time San Francisco rose from the states. The question was also, do states really need the west coast? Is it worth it to connect it with the east? Now California is the richest and most developed US state. Her contribution to the country's economy is huge. We have the same situation. The Far East can rise quite steadily in trade with its neighbors, plus we strive to pass through ourselves transit from Southeast Asia to Europe and vice versa, and this is a benefit for the whole country. But all this requires infrastructure and energy capacity. There are non-freezing ports on Sakhalin. On the railway road from Sakhalin, you can put Japanese goods. The fact that now there are half a million inhabitants does not mean that it should always be so. Infrastructure is being built so that the population and economy of the region grow. In my opinion, the obvious things.
Alaska is not coming soon. For one simple reason. If you are not in the know then there is no railway connection even with Chukotka or Kamchatka. There is not even a federal highway yet. All this is being built, but due to the vast extent it will not be soon. We will build a train and a route to Chukotka and Kamchatka - it will be possible to think about continuing.
Well, everything else is boltology. Commenting is pointless.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Guys, the bridge to Sakhalin is absolutely necessary not only for security reasons. The question is complex: where does infrastructure appear - there is also expediency in new industries, and Sakhalin is a storehouse of prospects, in particular unused even in the Soviet years (not to mention now) and a quarter of the possibility of colossal coal reserves of the island, oil and gas production, fish - and timber processing, etc., and finally the construction of new villages, even cities, because Sakhalin is quite capable of feeding 10 million people. And Russia will have enough competencies and production capacities for such a project without any involvement of foreign companies (I speak as a builder with experience) - IC Most, RZD-Stroy, Stroygazmontazh, Stroy-Trest, Mostotrest, Kurganstalmost, Giprostroymost and Stroytransgaz combining efforts calmly with they will cope with this.
PS And for all-prowler it is worth remembering the story:

[Sarmat Sanych]

Or such an opinion

[Nasrat]

Respect from me and +

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Or such an opinion

From the heart. But, in fact, except for jokes, it was. Well, with Peter - for sure, for how many of his ideas were received with hostility by bearded retrograde ... And if you recall the "impeachment" declared by Alexander Nevsky "free New Yorkers" exactly after the victory over the Swedes .... yeah. But as soon as Mr. Veliky Novgorod began to sunbathe, they remembered vigorously about the exiled prince and called back. Well, how would Yaroslavich get into trouble? That's it. The most scandalous thing is that there are now almost half a country of such "New-Towns".

[Sarmat Sanych]

Thank you comrades! I just wanted to say - I, like everyone else, is against theft and rightly believe that no one is safe from this and from simply inefficient use, BUT the bridge and infrastructure will remain for decades, and this is a new small sip of life for our Far East, which at all times insufficient attention was paid in the last quarter of a century. At the same time, the climatic conditions there are better than the Siberian and Ural ones, and natural resources are no less, plus the proximity to the fastest growing economically region of the planet. Why is there no reason for another 5 million Russians to move there?

[Nychego]

Is this bridge needed right now?
Crimean, of course - the political moment demanded, and this unbreakable bridge can never be postponed until the times of light.
Or do jackals want to grab a piece of Pobol?

[Mih1974]

This is a "megaproject" which, like the Crimean one, can absorb the attention of the population, it can orient some sectors of the economy, and it will be so important to "economic development" for the Far East. At least for the time being they will build there will be 20-30 jobs and probably everyone who wants to arrange it, well, let's frankly for almost 200 years Russia has hardly been developing the Far East, here you can not only build a bridge and all the attendant things, but also do it impetus for development. Indeed, with the railway road on, Sakhalin completely changes its meaning: it can become a “big port” for Russia in the Pacific Ocean, and both the production and processing of sea and fish products can dramatically increase.
For those who have forgotten - even the UN recognized the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as internal RUSSIAN !! Open the map - and evaluate the scale of this "fish tank"
Well, let's not confuse the warm with the soft - theft of money from the budget and "no money but you hold on" and these are the target projects. Remember what criminal cases are at Vostochny Cosmodrome, that is, the problem is not “no money,” but the fact that they hang and quarter a little
For the development of Russia, it is not necessary to “abandon large construction projects in favor of schools”, it is necessary to restore order on the ground, for Bridges and Schools are also necessary.

[210ox]

Why in the end? These guys for a long time.

Quote: Nychego

Is this bridge needed right now?
Crimean, of course - the political moment demanded, and this unbreakable bridge can never be postponed until the times of light.
Or do jackals want to grab a piece of Pobol?

[spirit]

It is necessary to master the money from superprofits for oil that sold higher than what was budgeted Rosenberg we believe in you)

[Serg65]

Quote: spirit

Need to master denyuzhki

Nah, you need to scratch your tongue for denyuzhku

[Serg65]

Quote: Nychego

Or do jackals want to grab a piece of Pobol?

Jackals always vomited! And under the tsar-priest, and under War Communism, and under Stalin, in the period from Khrushchev to Gorbachev, jackals went through a school of life in order to explode in the 90's! The Sakhalin GRP for the 17 year amounted to 1225812,5 million rubles, and the future bridge will solve many transport problems, which in turn will reduce the quantity of goods going to both Sakhalin and the mainland. In addition, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk has the opportunity to become the base port for the supply of the Kuril Islands.

[Nychego]

Quote: Serg65

Jackals always vomited! ... and under Stalin,

Oh yeah! I had a relative: I stole life, I went twice for murder as a young man, I was freed once with the “Kerensky chicks”, the second time after Lenin’s death, I never sat again, but with honest labor, it seems that I didn’t earn a ruble either.
In the 20s I drove (as part of a gang, of course), grain to Central Asia, from there cotton fabric, to the thirties somewhere to the south, potatoes, from there fruit, in the 40s I spent too much time, the war was on the “armor”, and After that he included jeeps "Willis" in the southern scheme - Perm jeeps, from them potatoes to the south, from there fruits to the markets of the Urals and Russia. When the case was opened, four accomplices were put to the wall, and this reptile survived, well, after that there was expanse. He retired at the beginning of the 70s (indeed, it was time - he was the same age as the century), kept an apiary, and became pious. The last time I spoke with him was in the mid-90s. The phrase remained from that meeting with him: "When few steal it is not harmful, but when everyone steals - wait for trouble."

[Vard]

There sometimes ferries are not there because of the weather ... But because there is nothing to carry and no one to arrange ... Air traffic with Vladik is normal and this bridge is not needed ... Make cheap flights ... now there are more than seven thousand ordering in advance ...

[Stas Snezhin]

Well, of course, because pensioners will have to spend their huge pensions.
So they will carry red caviar in wagons ...

[ANCIENT]

The real price of the bridge is 25 percent of the Crimean, and the rest is legalized money for looting!

[Serg65]

Quote: ANCIENT

and the rest is legalized theft money!

Did you personally receive an estimate?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: ANCIENT

and the rest is legalized theft money!

Did you personally receive an estimate?

He spewed it on the clave ..!

[Mountain shooter]

There will be no automobile bridge? Are there automobile roads there? To the bridge and from the bridge? Isn’t the reason that driving the highway to and from the bridge will be very expensive?

[Cetron]

Why drive a highway? Let the passenger-and-freight trains go by yourself in a compartment, a car on a two-story platform for cars. Such transportations are practiced all over the world, even in Germany.

[aszzz888]

Its estimated cost is approximately 3,5 times higher than the cost of the bridge connecting the Crimea with the Krasnodar Territory. If the project is approved, the construction is planned to be completed in 2023 year.

... this bridge is very necessary for everyone .... I got into the car on Sakhalin and went to the Crimea! The beauty!!!

[Loess]

Quote: aszzz888

sat in Sakhalin in a typewriter

Railway bridge ...

[Simple]

Everyone has their own cars.

In some places in Siberia and the Far East there is only one way to get to the mainland is trolley

[ANCIENT]

The next mega-super-project will be the construction of a path from Earth to Mars, and it will oblige the whole country to chip in, with a dozen million rubles from its nose! And where to get the people this money, the government will not care! !!

[aszzz888]

ANCIENT (Sergey Vitalievich) Today, 06: 43
The next mega-super-project will be the construction of a path from Earth to Mars,

... by the way, it was reported today by box that at the South Pole of Mars, under the thickness of either ice or land, water was discovered, so your mega-project is not meaningless, you need to swell money somewhere ... but we have a lot of money. .. will, won and VAT 20% approved ...

[Million]

The cost of the bridge by coincidence is equal to the state profit from increasing VAT .....

[Nasrat]

And even so, it's your business to work ...

[Simple]

While the essence and the matter (how they throw spears here), I remembered the game
ANNO 2070 is a rather relevant topic in extrapolating the need to build a bridge to Sakhalin.

If Yapi were reading the site, I’m imagining how they would "drown" for one of the parties.

[Nix1986]

I have one feeling that in this case, the dismissed analyst of Sberbank was right, the goal of the project is the same, to give the firm a contractor, or rather its owner, to earn money, and who we know from the construction of the Crimean bridge. No wonder this analyst was immediately fired, but he did his work - he told the truth.

[Serg65]

Quote: Nix1986

and who do we know about the construction of the Crimean bridge

And how much did the contractor earn on the Crimean bridge?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Nix1986

and who do we know about the construction of the Crimean bridge

And how much did the contractor earn on the Crimean bridge?

Yes, that's just the dismissed SB analyst who was interested in similar issues. In his case, interest was quickly repulsed. Particularly stubborn can and what else to repel. Because the country is a victorious democracy. Here the "democrats" defeated the country and they do what they want.

[Serg65]

Quote: Leshy1975

Yes, that's just the dismissed SB analyst who was interested in similar issues.

And before the dismissal of what was not interested? We both get fired or arrested (especially for theft), so right away ... I’ve been fighting Putin’s anti-people regime since childhood !!!

[Nix1986]

Have you worked in an international structure as a market analyst and published reports calling specific individuals in whose interests government projects are being conducted? Do not tell, merde on the fan on the forum can not be compared with this.

[Serg65]

Quote: Nix1986

Have you worked in an international structure as a market analyst and published reports calling specific individuals in whose interests government projects are being conducted?

Those. I can safely call you a robber of socialist property on a particularly large scale and no evidence is needed for this, because I said so!

[Nix1986]

He did have evidence. Generally necessary - find read, the story was loud.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Nix1986

Have you worked in an international structure as a market analyst and published reports calling specific individuals in whose interests government projects are being conducted?

Those. I can safely call you a robber of socialist property on a particularly large scale and no evidence is needed for this, because I said so!

Us then on the site of course you can safely. We are not friends of GDP and not high officials. So do not be shy, go ahead. But with the indicated persons it will be more difficult. If you want examples, I’ll find it on the Internet right now when I’m especially curious, as a rule, to journalists. Not only interest, namely health, was beaten off for similar investigations: who the owner is, how and on what he "earned" how much. So you can and without evidence. But the "best people of Russia" and the evidence can not. Unless, of course, immortal.

[Serg65]

Of all your opus I was interested

Quote: Leshy1975

So you can and without evidence

Who is this you?

Quote: Leshy1975

If you want examples, I’ll find them on the Internet right now

I wish to join!

Quote: Leshy1975

for similar investigations

The far-fetched theft of the Crimean bridge and the hitting of the brothers can, if desired, be qualified as similar!

Quote: Leshy1975

But the "best people of Russia" and the evidence can not

Yes, like two fingers on the asphalt! I’ll tell you a secret that Putin is a thief! And you completely agree with this without even requiring evidence!

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Serg65

Of all your opus I was interested

Quote: Leshy1975

So you can and without evidence

Who is this you?

Quote: Leshy1975

If you want examples, I’ll find them on the Internet right now

I wish to join!

Quote: Leshy1975

for similar investigations

The far-fetched theft of the Crimean bridge and the hitting of the brothers can, if desired, be qualified as similar!

Quote: Leshy1975

But the "best people of Russia" and the evidence can not

Yes, like two fingers on the asphalt! I’ll tell you a secret that Putin is a thief! And you completely agree with this without even requiring evidence!

Us, these are those who have no weariness to high offices.
Further, regarding your “I want”: (source belsat.eu 2017)
The correspondent of Belsat in Krasnodar Alexander Savelyev, along with activists of the Ecological Watch for the North Caucasus, went to remove the illegal construction of a summer house on the Black Sea coast. It is likely that it is being built for Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. When our colleague and environmentalists arrived in Krasnodar, there were masked people waiting for them.
Three unknowns in medical masks attacked from the back, beat with brass knuckles and legs. The result is a brain injury and a fracture of the base of the skull, a broken nose. The environmentalist Viktor Chirikov also suffered - they kicked him in the stomach. "
More (source news.rambler.ru 2018):
“On Saturday evening, in the Shchekino district of the Tula region, three journalists of the Investigation Management Center (SDG) and two volunteers blocked two Zubr hunting vehicles on the road, where, according to unofficial data, the head of Rosneft Igor Sechin is hunting. the group arrived in the area after a complaint from local residents about the illegal seizure by the hunting farm of their land, Rambler reports.

The SDG chief editor Andrei Konyakhin told the publication that this incident was preceded by a meeting with a representative of a hunting farm in the village of Kuzmino after filming. There, a man "with the face of a guard" threatened reporters that in this area "phones can be lost and lost in the forest by ourselves."

[Serg65]

Quote: Leshy1975

There's a possibilitythat it is being built for the prime minister

Quote: Leshy1975

according to unofficial datam, the head of Rosneft is hunting

There is chance what do you according to unofficial data specially create distrust of the leadership of the Russian Federation with the aim of introducing confusion into the fragile heads of a certain part of the population of the Russian Federation for the subsequent collapse of the country and its capture by international capital !!!

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Leshy1975

There's a possibilitythat it is being built for the prime minister

Quote: Leshy1975

according to unofficial datam, the head of Rosneft is hunting

There is chance what do you according to unofficial data specially create distrust of the leadership of the Russian Federation with the aim of introducing confusion into the fragile heads of a certain part of the population of the Russian Federation for the subsequent collapse of the country and its capture by international capital !!!

It is possible without probabilities. Although journalists are not beaten likely, but real. You asked for these examples? There is already a firm belief that the very “wise” leadership of the Russian Federation will achieve unrest in the country. And only the most ossified fans of GDP do not see and do not understand this. And whether they do it on purpose or by curvature, but what's the difference. The main result.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Serg65

specially create distrust of the leadership of the Russian Federation with the aim of introducing confusion into the fragile heads of a certain part of the Russian population for the subsequent collapse

"The cause of Lenin lives!"; "Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live!" - you accidentally did not confuse the era?

Quote: Serg65

for the subsequent collapse of the country and its capture by international capital !!!

For example -
Rosneft
According to information for September 2017, XNUMX, the main shareholders of Rosneft are:
Rosneftegaz - 50%;
BP Russian Investments Limited - 19,7%;
QHG Oil Ventures Pte. Ltd. - 19,5% and others.

Sberbank
The total number of shareholders in the country's largest commercial bank as of April 2016 amounted to over 198 thousand, of which about 64% hold preferred shares. Their names are usually not made public, but it is known that over the past 2 years (2014-2016), the share increased by 2,33% non-residents and the share of residents decreased by 1,33%. The share of private investors decreased by about 1%.
legal entities non-residents - about 45,6% of shares; resident legal entities - 1,5% of shares; private investors - 2,9% of the shares.

I wonder which of the members of the forum gave "international capitalism" to use people's resources?

[Servisinzhener]

I doubt very much that when he worked at JPMorgan and wrote about ExxonMobil? would linger much longer in its place.

[PN]

Quote: Mih1974

Remember what criminal cases are at Vostochny Cosmodrome, that is, the problem is not “no money,” but the fact that they hang and quarter a little

In China, corrupt officials are shot in batches and nevertheless they have not yet won the corruption. Such is the essence of man.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: PN

Quote: Mih1974

Remember what criminal cases are at Vostochny Cosmodrome, that is, the problem is not “no money,” but the fact that they hang and quarter a little

In China, corrupt officials are shot in batches and nevertheless they have not yet won the corruption. Such is the essence of man.

If you can’t completely win, then what is your suggestion? To develop corruption, and to write down corrupt officials as heroes of labor?

[Stirbjorn]

In China, corrupt officials are shot in batches and nevertheless they have not yet won the corruption. Such is the essence of man.

So you can and about maniacs, terrorists and drug dealers - and now what, do not shoot? Like Fedor Mikhalych’s - “If there is no god, then everything is allowed”

[koksalek]

Funds saved on retirees may not be enough, but such a project with such opportunities, you see salivating flowing in thick wallets

[Vadim237]

The construction of ten new nuclear power plants by 2030 will cost 10 times more than this bridge and these projects are not connected with pensions.

[Flatter]

Japan is proposed to become a "continental power" -Shuvalov. To do this, Russia will build a bridge to Sakhalin and further to Hokkaido, together with Japan. "We must support the global economy" -And Shuvalov. The energy superpower takes the whole world to support.

[artifact]

Quote: Flatter

Japan is proposed to become a "continental power" -Shuvalov. To do this, Russia will build a bridge to Sakhalin and further to Hokkaido, together with Japan. "We must support the global economy" -And Shuvalov. The energy superpower takes the whole world to support.

what is bad then !? will connect the mainland with Japan. this is transit, and therefore income.

[Alexander Ra]

[quote = Flatter] "We must support the global economy" -And Shuvalov. / quote]
True to the contrary. A "civilized" man leaves behind a desert. From predatory attitude to nature must be avoided. Russia must say the main word in this, there is no one else. Vernadsky: ~ "Humanity must come to autotrophy."

[Dikson]

The bridge is not needed there by residents. The oil industry and coal miners need a bridge there. The country's defense is generally unprincipled. And given the seismic activity of the area - this project should be exorbitant

[kig]

the oil industry manages the pipe perfectly and does not blow into the mustache.

[Andrey Sukharev]

They liked it! "Saw, Shura, saw, they are golden"

[moreman78]

Well, they decided in the government where to put in additional profits from VAT, oil, pensions! And if you don’t have enough, they will raise another tax or introduce an additional one!

[Butchcassidy]

Can you imagine what prospects the construction of the Bridge (yes, with a capital letter!) In Russian-Japanese relations will open? This is the prospect of Japan joining the mainland!

[Simple]

"Continents" are different.


What country are you going to connect with Japan?

[Butchcassidy]

Ahahahaha, I got the joke! It's funny!)))

With Russia through Sakhalin.

[Simple]

To dream so to dream.

The construction of the bridge is determined by its feasibility.

In this regard, it is more profitable for the Yapis to connect with South Korea.

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Simple

To dream so to dream.

The construction of the bridge is determined by its feasibility.

In this regard, it is more profitable for the Yapis to connect with South Korea.

The only difference is 180 km versus 43 km to Russia. And in South Korea there is no natural gas. But in Russia there.

[Simple]

The reservation was that hypothetically.

Yes, and the transportation of goods between South Korea and Japan is well placed, starting from ports and highways and railways. Logistics is also on the level.


For natural gas, you can lay a pipe along the bottom of the sea.

[Elephant]

Somewhere they analyzed that a bulk dam would be cheaper than a bridge to Sakhalin. And in the Crimea it was possible to build a tunnel, it would be about 8 km., Instead of 19 km. the bridge. It is necessary to develop different regions, and not just Moscow alone! Look, 100 km. from the capital - and the terrifying outback begins!

[Servisinzhener]

Anyway, it would have been about 19 km, because the length of the descents to the tunnel, which would begin long before himself, was still added. And 8 km is the length of the tunnel itself.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Bridge is good

[Serg65]

Leshy1975,

Quote: Leshy1975

journalists are probably not beaten, but really

Who and why beat the journalists in your example is not clear to me! This is from the series “Probably Zyuganov is pregnant, but according to unofficial data it’s a fairy tale!” Moreover, journalists were beaten under any authority, and even shot 80 years ago.

Quote: Leshy1975

the "wise" leadership of the Russian Federation itself will achieve turmoil in the country.

Any turmoil requires money. Who will pay? Here you are, Mr. Petrel, who pays?
For the money that swelled into the anti-advertising of pension reform, you could feed a lot of destitute during the year, but you are not interested, the main thing is to stir up trouble!

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Per se.

Quote: 210ox

It is also a safety issue.

Rather, the issue of security is not a bridge to Sakhalin, with the border in the East empty in our country, but the strengthening of the army and navy, the development of industry. The bridge to the Crimea, due to its important strategic position and the actual blockade on the part of the current Hochlandia, was more justified. Not sickly guys rushing,

Even after the Crimean project, the bridge to Sakhalin is surprising: it will be built in the midst of “nothing,” says a federal official. In addition to the transition in the Nevelsky Strait area, the length of which is only 7 km (the narrowest isthmus in the Tatar Strait), access roads to Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Nysh station on Sakhalin need to be built, Tass Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov explained: total 500 km of railway .
Sokolov estimated the construction of a bridge with access roads to 500 billion rubles. in prices 2013 g. This is approximately 615 billion rubles. in prices of the second quarter 2017 g

. That way, and through the Bering Strait, to Alaska after a blow, they will connect Russia with America ... Where the pressing projects are turned off, they have no money for retirement, children "with a hat on the world" are collected on operations on all TV channels, and please , no problem. Cool.

If this money had been handed out to pensioners, then a couple of thousand rubles of a one-time payment would have come out there, and you would have been the first to yell that this is a miserable handout, and it would be better if we built a bridge to Sakhalin

[kig]

I hope that common sense will prevail and the project will be stolen. Although what is the common sense at the top? It's time to create a theme about the ban on the bridge ... where are the signatures collected? And then it will be too late.

[Alexander Ra]

It would not be more important now for such an amount for state. program to build fifty major factories in electronics, machine tools?

[NordUral]

A strange decision that without a car. It leads to some unpleasant conclusions.