An attempt on the sovereignty of Russia. Answer?

The US State Department announced an official document explaining the US position on Crimea. In short, the content of the declaration is reduced to just one sentence: “We never recognize Crimea as part of Russian territory.” (And this, strictly speaking, is an attempt on the sovereignty of Russia and the reason for at least the recall of the ambassador from Washington.)

Together with allies, partners and the international community, the United States reject Russia's attempt to annex the Crimea and promise to support this policy until Ukraine’s territorial integrity is restored.

Probably, this should somehow frighten the Russians, because without American recognition (and in the USA they firmly believe in it!) Not a single question is solved in the world. Now, Putin will surely get scared and immediately return the Crimea!

But for some reason, not at all scary. And that's why…

In 1940, the United States adopted the Welles Declaration, the content of which was about the same: the United States refused to recognize the seizure of the Baltic states by the Soviet Union. This declaration existed until the collapse of the USSR and in no way prevented the United States from cooperating with Moscow when it was necessary or profitable for them.

Yes, with the current declaration of Welles, the USA rendered great assistance to the USSR during the Second World War, maintained diplomatic relations with the USSR, sold wheat and some engineering products, flew together into space (Soyuz - Apollon), conducted hockey "super series" and by and large, they behaved as correctly as possible with respect to the sworn ideological enemy.

That is, for all these decades, the said declaration was only a “fig in the pocket,” which was brought to light only in the rarest cases. And it is highly likely that the new “Crimean Declaration” will be a tool at about the same level of efficiency and commitment.

On the other hand, there is a positive effect from it: now in the Russian media there will be less analytical materials devoted to the upcoming division of Ukraine and its possible transfer to the Russian zone of influence. Some political scientists and publicists were still fond of shy hopes of such a suddenly favorable outcome, but now, it seems, we will all be looking a little more realistically at things.

The likelihood of active use of this declaration is also very small because it is primarily a tool of domestic political struggle in the United States itself. Trump is trying at all costs to get rid of the accusations of excessive "Kremlinophilia", and the appearance of such a declaration, which has no legal weight, is a good PR move for him. Therefore, it is much more likely that this paper will often shake on American political talk shows than on bilateral Russian-American talks.

Nevertheless, the Russian Foreign Ministry in the person of its special representative, Maria Zakharova, has already commented on the appearance of this document.

But the Joint Action Plan on the Iranian nuclear program and the Paris Climate Agreement have also recently been the official US policy. Personally, Obama decided so. And then Trump took and decided. We know the price of these “momentous” declarations.

That is, our Foreign Ministry does not give up hope for more radical changes in bilateral relations. Or maybe it’s quite familiar to the trolling of “partners”: if Trump needs to be shown how he doesn’t like Russia, then why shouldn’t we show that Trump is “not very” for us and we don’t believe in the firmness making?

One way or another, we should firmly grasp one thing: we should not expect serious concessions from the Americans. So far they are trading not with their own interests, but only with hints that they can somehow sacrifice these interests.

On the other hand, it would not hurt us to somehow respond to such unheard-of audacity. And at the same time to expand the negotiation field ...

Probably, it would be worthwhile for us to start breaking off diplomatic relations with Ukraine and declare the recognition of the Kiev regime a mistake. Then make a similar declaration: they say, we will never recognize the leadership of Ukraine and the state itself, while the fascists will sit in the Ukrainian parliament.

And then think about the sanctions list. About what the Americans for Cuba have developed. That is total and indefinite, with sanctions against companies investing in Ukraine, and even individuals and politicians.

And then in exchange for the recognition of the Crimea Russian, we can also trade in declarations, and not the real interests of the country.

Comments

[DHO_N1]

The Foreign Ministry needs to condemn the capture of Texas, and not recognize it for the United States. To the little ones, recall the Malvinas Islands.

[dog breeder]

DHO_N1 (Eugene)
The Foreign Ministry needs to condemn the capture of Texas, and not recognize it for the United States. To the little ones, recall the Malvinas Islands.

Russia needs to put on everything and go its own way. As always it was.

[Arberes]

Quote: dog breeder

Russia needs to put on everything and go its own way. As always it was.

Yes, it would be nice! One thing confuses me: overseas uncles with one click of a finger put our frail ruble with cancer.

[MPN]

Quote: Arberes

our frail ruble put cancer.

Well, let them take pictures and get together ...

[Arberes]

Quote: MPN

Well, let them take off and fuck

Yes, who just doesn’t mess with him. He gives everyone.

[Kent0001]

Yes, we ourselves are actively helping them in this.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: dog breeder

As always it was.

whether oh ... just not Russia, it was possible and in the USSR

[dog breeder]

Learn materiel

Andrei Yurievich (Andrei Yurievich)

[Vladimir 5]

Why is it not used to explain the legal basis for the return of the Russian Federation to the territory of the Crimean Peninsula. Crimea in 1954 for economic benefits, for administrative consolidation of control in a single USSR, was transferred under control and included in the Ukrainian SSR, in such cases, the necessary referenda were not held, the usual bureaucratic decision "unanimously" the economic and administrative decisions of the government. THE USSR. With the collapse of the USSR, the need to manage the common economy of the Russian Crimea of ​​the Ukrainian SSR disappeared (there is no union interaction and a common economy of the USSR, then this need has disappeared), such general business decisions have lost their relevance and strength, are canceled as decisions in the interests of the USSR, and we are returning Crimea RF, by original affiliation. Legally, such grounds are true, only the Russian side for some reason does not justify the legal foundations of the Crimean Russia belonging to the Ukrainian side. Perhaps the government of the Russian Federation deliberately inflates the enmity between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, and at the international level there is no explanation why?

[andrewkor]

Do not forget Gibraltar and Russian Malta (seriously)!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: andrewkor

Do not forget Gibraltar and Russian Malta (seriously)!

California, Alaska ...

[S.V.YU]

Also, let Kosovo be returned to Serbia!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: DHO_N1

The Foreign Ministry needs to condemn the capture of Texas, and not recognize it for the United States. To the little ones, recall the Malvinas Islands.

Everything is true, but it’s better to simply ignore it, make it clear that we are the One for all of their declarations.

[KLV2018]

Quote: DHO_N1

The Foreign Ministry needs to condemn the capture of Texas, and not recognize it for the United States. To the little ones, recall the Malvinas Islands.

it is better to express a DEEP CARE, as usual.

[Igoresha]

it is better to express a DEEP CONCERN

no, "formidable Russian silence" will be more serious

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: KLV2018

Quote: DHO_N1

The Foreign Ministry needs to condemn the capture of Texas, and not recognize it for the United States. To the little ones, recall the Malvinas Islands.

it is better to express a DEEP CARE, as usual.

It’s empty. In principle, such an outcome of the case on the Crimean problem has long been predicted and expected. To a greater extent, this can already be called a concession in the sense that the United States de facto recognizes the territory of Crimea as part of Russia, and de jure will consider it to be Urkain so that bilateral relations do not come to a dead end, since no other solution is expected. Well, the USA cannot recognize Crimea as Russian because it is a “public surrender” and therefore agreed on how this was done using the example of the Baltic states. So everything is fine and the countries along the line of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs exchanged quite ordinary phrases and statements. Only now, Russia is not at all interested in maintaining the integrity of Urkaina and should be interested in speeding up its split into territorial fragments.

[siberalt]

How can one talk about Russia's sovereignty under our capitulation Constitution, according to which we pay the United States a half-budget, in the end, if the ruble is tightly tied to their petrodollar ?: Are we trying to achieve anti-colonial independence, like Africa in the middle of the last century another question. winked:

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: siberalt

Are we trying to achieve anti-colonial independence, like Africa in the middle of the last century, another question

We are trying. We increase the volume of gold in gold reserves, reduced investments in American papers by three times, transferred a part of international payments to national currencies and rubles. VTB Glavshpan launched an initiative to dollarize the banking system.

[conservative]

We are trying. We increase the volume of gold in gold reserves, reduced investments in American papers by three times, transferred a part of international payments to national currencies and rubles. VTB Glavshpan launched an initiative to dollarize the banking system.

Yes, and on the stock exchange in St. Petersburg, as I understand it, oil is being traded for rubles already
Or they are getting ready yet, but this is what’s going on.

And it was not just that they strengthened the army and renewed nuclear weapons. As the lever appears - and it will be possible to shift the whole katavasiya

in the meantime, you have to play according to the rules written somewhere there. Swift was washed down by quiet sadness.

Sooner to jerk - was also not an option. All payments would be paralyzed.

There is another important topic - drugs. We are very dependent so far. But these issues are being addressed. And the mattresses smell it.

From the shoulder here, only marshals on the VO forum can cut, everything in life is much more complicated.

[dSK]

Quote: conservative

From the shoulder here, only marshals on the VO forum can hack

Quote: Victor Kuzovkov

And then think about the sanctions list. About what Americans developed for Cuba. That is, total and perpetual, with sanctions against companies investing in Ukraine, and even private individuals and politicians.

Good suggestion, applaud standing until "adequate" response НАТО will continue to "absorb" our closest neighbors.

[yustas]

At the expense of drugs, it's straight to the point. Earlier in the city we had our own honey factory. Drugs and many drugs cost a penny, and then everything was centralized and full PPC. Russian aspirin is generally difficult to find, although it helps much better than foreign drugs do.

[valton]

And to return to the Indians their territory is weak?

[zulusuluz]

Of course, it is not for me to teach the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but I would advise the United States to accuse the grossest violation of democracy - the non-recognition of the will of the people. And on the basis of this, you can even recall the ambassador ...

[siberalt]

It is impossible to “break" democracy in principle. It is also like blaming a fork with a knife for your lack of appetite. Here we can only talk about the principles of democracy and these "reasonings" have not ended since the era of antiquity. Pure scholasticism, in a word.

[credo]

Quote: zulusuluz

Of course, it is not for me to teach the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but I would advise the United States to accuse the grossest violation of democracy - the non-recognition of the will of the people. And on the basis of this, you can even recall the ambassador ...

And what will it give? After all, the United States is not guided by the principles of democracy at all, but by the principles of the benefits of a particular situation, and this is not democracy at all, but banal deception. As an example, they do not recognize the legitimately elected President of Syria, because he protects the country from thugs, who in turn suit the United States, at the same time they recognize President Yemen, but they consider the Hussite’s struggle against this president to be unjust and criminal, therefore all methods of war applied to them are considered acceptable.

[zulusuluz]

And what will it give?

Cognitive dissonance in the world will arise. This is at least. And as a maximum - someone will think.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: zulusuluz

Of course, it is not for me to teach the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but I would advise the United States to accuse the grossest violation of democracy - the non-recognition of the will of the people. And on the basis of this, you can even recall the ambassador ...

They (the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) already seemed to be shooting back with the image of the flag of the USA and Serbia with a hint of Kosovo. Like, "as soon as immediately"

[rotmistr60]

we should start breaking off diplomatic relations with Ukraine ... and think about the sanctions list

This had to be done yesterday, and not especially since the last four years. With regard to this declaration, I proposed on another branch to senators (congressmen) to glue their toilets to her and to read in their thoughtfulness at leisure.

[saigon]

Lord comrades, our elite, as it were, looks in the mouth to the west and there will be no sharp body movements.

[krops777]

On the other hand, it would not hurt us to somehow respond to such unheard-of audacity

Well, actually it’s time to present the rights to Alaska plus a penalty for each year of use, and also issue your declaration where the Americans do not have rights to the land on which they live because this land belongs to the Indians, let's see how they jump.

[YarSer88]

Will get a hold of? Ignore? Are they laughing?

[solzh]

Quote: YarSer88

Will get a hold of? Ignore? Are they laughing?

Shoot ... Or choke on a hamburger ...

[Royalist]

During the Helsinki meeting, I said, Americans can declare: we do not recognize Crimea as a part of the Russian Federation, just as the Baltic states did not recognize as part of the USSR, and that’s all.
There is a lot of internal foreman in this resolution, the author himself writes that Trump needs this piece of paper to show his “coolness” (they have strong positions of McCain and others), and they don’t respect themselves in self-promotion

[parusnik]

"We will never recognize Crimea as part of Russian territory."

... that is, one thing is clear, the sanctions against Crimea and Russia have been extended by the United States and Europe for an indefinite period ... No matter how they engaged in a “trade war” among themselves ...

[S.V.YU]

Bring back the Americans, Serbia, Serbian Krajina Kosovo!

[Royalist]

Quote: rotmistr60

we should start breaking off diplomatic relations with Ukraine ... and think about the sanctions list

This had to be done yesterday, and not especially since the last four years. With regard to this declaration, I proposed on another branch to senators (congressmen) to glue their toilets to her and to read in their thoughtfulness at leisure.

Are you tired of the world and want to fight?

[kotvov]

Are you tired of the world and want to fight? ,,
Are you waiting for them to begin sabotage in Russia? Preempt, it means to win. Let them buy where they want, otherwise everyone will boast (our government) that the turnover is growing. And this is maintaining the regime.

[Vlad Petrov]

In the territory controlled by Kiev, according to official figures, about eight million children live. With the support of the SBU and war veterans in the Donbass in the camp "Carpathian Legion" in the Ivano-Frankivsk region, children are taught to use weapons and the rules of survival according to the Bandera UPA methodology, with the motto "Let Moscow lie in ruins, we should spit it!" “Death, death to Muscovites” in five to seven years, ideological Nazi militants will grow out of these children. Flirting with Kiev, the Russian government is not permissible, criminal.

[Royalist]

Quote: saigon

Lord comrades, our elite, as it were, looks in the mouth to the west and there will be no sharp body movements.

In 1941, there was an order of Stalin: “do not give in to provocation!” And this, by and large, is a provocation

[Royalist]

Quote: dog breeder

DHO_N1 (Eugene)
The Foreign Ministry needs to condemn the capture of Texas, and not recognize it for the United States. To the little ones, recall the Malvinas Islands.

Russia needs to put on everything and go its own way. As always it was.

Correctly noted: "go your own way" America defends its interests, and rightly so. We, too, need to learn something from the Americans: 1 MAJOR NATIONAL INTERESTS 2. Do not be like Khrushch's balabol, he is a lot of trindle: “we will show Kuzkin’s mother” communism and so on, and he was ready to take off his underpants for his pretty eyes. How then: "fraternal help" 3 see paragraph 1.

[Antares]

Quote: Royalist

.Do not be compared to the balabol Khrushch,

And I was not afraid to deploy warheads in Cuba. (Anadyr)
I was not afraid to speak clearly and briefly at the UN rostrum.
Although he was a strange Stalinist student, he had the most severe confrontation with him and the world was on the brink of war.
Article on violation of some kind of sovereignty. This is somehow blurry, because you can also interpret as many articles on HE as a violation of the sovereignty of many countries (for example, Ukraine in this article)
The US is clearly playing a long. With the Baltic, he played a long one. And won! Fighting and trading is more profitable than just fighting. Since the world is mostly American, the US is decisive. And UN resolutions confirm this (in Crimea)
Non-recognition and annexation of a part of the territory of Ukraine is very well supported even by those countries that simultaneously want to receive something from the Russian Federation (for example, Turkey / China / pr)
This is a trump card, albeit not the most powerful one, but allows you to regularly beat the Russian Federation, from economic to cultural systems. Sanctions / information war / reputational and legal costs.
This allows you to influence the Russian Federation more! Deteriorate her position and force her to bear costs (worsening position)
But Krymnash.
Such a Russian Federation is even beneficial to the United States - it has become more profitable to sculpt the image of the enemy under budgets.

[businessv]

Probably, it would be worthwhile for us to start breaking off diplomatic relations with Ukraine and declare the recognition of the Kiev regime a mistake. Then make a similar declaration: they say, we will never recognize the leadership of Ukraine and the state itself, while the fascists will sit in the Ukrainian parliament.

Thanks to the author for the article, relevant. Regarding the non-recognition: it was necessary to do this back in 2014, but, as usual, the interests of our oligarchs did not allow, therefore, this is not possible now. How can mattresses act differently in this situation? Indeed, because of the Crimea, everything was started in Ukraine! 5 billion freshly printed cash were invested in the coup, people of their own, mattresses were put everywhere, an agreement was prepared for the long-term lease of a VM base in the Crimea, and he took it and sailed away to his homeland! Missed, sick!

[YarSer88]

Judging by how actively the Ukrainian government acts against Russian interests, how exponentially it does things that are unacceptable for us (like postponing Victory Day), this is what they expect from us. Apparently, there are consequences of such an action that we, from our level of awareness, cannot trace. Therefore, I doubt that the oligarchs' banal interests are here, for them the annexation of Crimea is already a blow, if Putin acted only in the interests of the oligarchs, Crimea would be, like Donbass now, a hot spot. And even in general in Ukraine. I think the situation is stalemate, the issue of Ukraine will now be one of the common ground in our negotiations with the United States until one of us has a "weak spot" through which this issue can be resolved.

[Evgeniy667b]

For some reason they won’t remember about the spin of Alaska, scoundrels. And the legality of the acquisition of this territory inspires very considerable doubts!

[Ros 56]

Our answer is striped:

[dSK]

The Turkish leader during his conversation with Putin at the BRICS summit in Johannesburg noted the positive dynamics in the development of relations between the countries, which "Causes jealousy in some countries." After these words, the President of Russia reminded Erdogan of the invitation to the restaurant.
"We agreed that when you put Russian meat products on your market, when the restaurant will have our meat dishes, then we'll have lunch. " - Vladimir Putin.

[123456789]

"We will never recognize Crimea as part of Russian territory."

We support the struggle of the indigenous and black people for their rights!

[Alexey Sobolev]

... and declare the Kiev regime to be recognized as a mistake ...

The text and date of this recognition can be seen?

[iouris]

The sovereignty of the Russian Federation is limited by the US administration. We would answer, but who will give us? We are not the Kremlin. Perhaps the Kremlin itself still does not really understand the goals of its policy, and therefore does not respond. In addition, "Russia has no borders." And if there are no borders, then the understanding of the sovereignty of the "ruling class of Russia" is peculiar.

[Curious]

Something for children. Under all the gestures suggested by the author, there must be some real basis. Maybe he has something to say on this issue? In short, another urapatriotic proclamation of a couch writer.

[CAT BAIYUN]

I don’t understand: why hysteria about this? Well, do not recognize what? They will register for Crimea some kind of status convenient for themselves. They will make a few high-profile statements. Actually ALL. Since these speeches are made after the meeting of the Great and Terrible with Trump, we can assume that you can SPEAK on this subject as much as you like. But to do anything with the belonging of the Crimea is no longer possible. Late. We drove through. After the fight, you can wave your fists as much as you like.

[donald]

“Probably, it would be worthwhile for us to break off diplomatic relations with Ukraine and declare the Kiev regime to be recognized as a mistake. Then accept a similar declaration: they say that we will never recognize the leadership of Ukraine and this state itself while the Nazis sit in the Ukrainian parliament.”

Here I agree with the author 100% !!! That would be the perfect option !!!

[Old warrior]

The USSR was strong, therefore everything was fine, But what about present-day Russia? That's it ...: they respect the Strong, reckon with the Equal and despise the weak.