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Deceptive Dream ("Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists", USA)

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Deceptive Dream ("Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists", USA)NATO is trying to thrust Russians into the pharynx of an imaginary ballistic missile defense system, which, if it worked - and it does not work - could be used against Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles

The dream of a shield that protects against atomic bombs, appeared at the dawn of the nuclear era. This idea has always been deceptively simple: create missiles that can shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads that fly from the Soviet Union across the ocean to the United States (or vice versa). Although this is the same as trying to shoot down a bullet with a bullet or an arrow, there have always been political and military leaders who are confident that this is feasible. The last attempt was made 27 years ago, when the Reagan administration launched the Strategic Defense Initiative, and since then, the agencies responsible for missile defense have continued to go towards their goal.

Independent scientists and engineers from the United States and Russia consistently evaluate past attempts as failures and wrote several detailed reports that show why the plans of such an anti-missile defense system are technically impractical. However, despite criticism from a technical point of view and negative test results, the US government continued to insist that the program is being carried out successfully. Until recently.

A report of few people, published in September by 2011 by the Scientific Committee on Defense, an independent advisory body under the US Department of Defense, identified three serious problems with the ballistic missile defense being developed by early interception. Apparently, (1), none of the necessary radars in the framework of the defense system of the European phased adaptive approach is powerful enough to cope with the tasks, (2), none of the available anti-missile sensors are able to distinguish warheads from false targets and other outsiders, and (3) American intelligence has already watched the launch of foreign ballistic missiles capable of shooting false targets and taking other countermeasures. So, after 27 years of development and expenditure of 150 billion dollars, there is no effective anti-missile “shield” - it remains just a dream.

Judging by the news of this report, we can conclude that missile defense, which we have heard about for many years, has ordered to live long. The system that Russia regards as a threat to its security does not work and, even if problems can be solved - and this is a big “if” - the system will remain inoperative for many years.

But on the eve of the NATO summit, something funny happened. In the run-up to the May 20 meeting in Chicago, NATO officials continue to talk about missile defense as if it already existed; it is expected that at the end of the month they will announce new plans for cooperation on its deployment in Europe. Moreover, these same officials are angry with Russia for stating the possibility of a preemptive strike on the system if it is deployed. Apparently, Russia has enough spirit to consider the proposed system as a threat to its missiles. Alas, for such a thinking, Russia deserved a reproach from the head of NATO, who called the position of the Russians "unfounded."

We will be very clear: NATO is trying to thrust Russians into the pharynx of an imaginary ballistic missile defense system, which, if it worked - and it does not work - could be used against Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles. Since NATO treats this system as if it exists in reality, Russia has to interpret it in the same way. And so Russia insists that in the event of a missile defense system deployment, it will disable it, although the system is not able to cope with the tasks assigned. Thus, NATO and Russia are ready to gnaw each other's throats for a weapon system that does not work as it should, and if it worked, could reasonably be considered a threat to the interests of Russia, although NATO denies this. Truly, "the secret, covered with darkness, seven seals." But now the mystery covered in darkness is no longer Russia, as Winston Churchill proclaimed in 1939, but NATO’s plans to create an anti-missile defense.

However, it is possible to hope that this riddle can be solved. As I learned from Ted Postol, an expert on ballistic missiles from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, there are already informal discussions between engineers and missile defense experts from the United States and Russia to clarify their missile defense plans. The meeting of scientists from the Center for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University and the Committee of Scientists for Global Security of the Russian Academy of Sciences in September 2011 resulted in a joint statement on cooperation in the field of missile defense, which recognized Russia's concerns about the American phased adaptive approach involving the deployment of missiles -interceptors and radar in close proximity to the Russian border.

In addition, the statement outlines four principles on which cooperation in the field of ballistic missile defense should be based: (1), missile defense should contribute, together with Russia, to the security of the Euro-Atlantic region; (2) NATO must take into account the possible impact of the deployment of missiles on Russia, and Russia must take into account NATO’s concern about possible missile threats from Iran; (3) ballistic missile defense plans should not create obstacles to strategic cooperation between the United States and Russia and (4) cooperation in the field of missile defense should be based on the principles of transparency and openness.

The most promising outcome of the regular meeting of the two groups, held in March, was a proposal to American and Russian rocket experts on joint research and development of an “advanced active protection” system, which should replace the current - inoperable - phased adaptive approach. The joint development of a new system would have at least two advantages: firstly, it would promote the development of strategic cooperation between the United States and Russia, and, secondly, could lead to the creation of a workable system. We hope that NATO officials will be aware of the cooperation proposal before the summit, which will be held at the end of the month. It is a pity if NATO and Russia will bicker because of the system, which turns out to be a mirage.
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  1. esaul
    esaul 16 May 2012 18: 03
    +25
    It's amazing to read and hear such conclusions from a Western (even American) expert! Something "died in the forest" or he is the spokesman for another (non-military) lobby in the states. Sounds convincing enough. if you remember the epic with the "unsurpassed" SDI and how, in fact, it all turned out to be a bluff, and the USSR, anyway, as a result, fell apart. Is not the current missile defense the second, rather inept in its similarity, round of attempts to powder our brains? But, judging by the statements of the Russian side about the opposition of "asymmetric" measures, the SDI lesson is not badly preserved in the memory of the Russians, and appropriate conclusions are being drawn. Let God ...
    1. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 16 May 2012 18: 09
      +28
      Quote: esaul
      It's amazing to read hear such conclusions from a Western (even - American) expert!

      One more attempt to blow fog and convince us that we have nothing to fear. Apparently I don’t like being in the scope of the scanners
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 May 2012 18: 37
        +13
        Fog is fog, but amers are not friends to us. Nobody will believe in words. The impression of the article is twofold, it seems to give reasons, but is it really so. Amer is not in the position to let the loot down the drain. Today is not 80
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 16 May 2012 20: 01
          +16
          Poor, poor Americans have come to the point that the wild Muscovites no longer believe them. They may actually have gotten a puncture, they are sincerely trying to apologize now, and the wild Russians not only created missiles that could really overcome an unreal system, they also aimed their missiles. Now they’re sitting and thinking, yes it’s, they didn’t even calculate it ... And we’re doing it right, we don’t believe, that's enough, and so we got divorced in the 80-90s.
          1. esaul
            esaul 16 May 2012 20: 24
            +4
            Quote: Bashkaus
            ... And rightly so, we don’t believe it, that's enough, and so we got divorced in the 80-90s.

            Good evening, Sergey! 300 times - "Approve"!
          2. alexng
            alexng 16 May 2012 21: 16
            +8
            Yeah, there’s also enough arrogance to talk about Russia helping to create this missile defense system. So, they themselves certainly do not blind anything good (for themselves), except for a stink, such as a dead cat near the borders of Russia. And there is nobody to steal the system from, so they are trying to lure Russia into development to help. And it’s already in excess of impudence - to put it under the window and knock on the window to the owner and ask for toilet paper. Brr-rr
            1. dima1970
              dima1970 17 May 2012 00: 13
              +1
              Cats, like people except you, are dead.
      2. Cadet787
        Cadet787 16 May 2012 18: 40
        +11
        In my opinion, the Pens owls will not save anything, everything that they do resembles the agony of a mortally wounded beast, the only thing that is alarming when they leave for another world, they can slam the door loudly.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 May 2012 18: 51
          +9
          Your post in the European Union needs to be sent, suddenly a miracle comes and comes to the wretched in which they are dragged by amers
        2. esaul
          esaul 16 May 2012 18: 51
          +13
          Cadet787,
          A lot of people want it to be that way, buddy. Too many minke whales have shit on the planet. But, every nation has an instinct for self-preservation, which is included in the critical moments of its history. Everyone goes through it in their own way, but, in most cases, they are cleansed of "filth." After all, not all Americans are complete villains. There are also many sane people who are crushed by "public opinion". The ball is ruled by capital, and if you really want to, it's the ruling elite and its superstructure, fooling ordinary people.

          Oh! Something struck me by pacifism tonight ... feel
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 16 May 2012 19: 13
            +4
            Quote: esaul
            Oh! Something struck me by pacifism tonight


            looks more like armed pacifism laughing
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 16 May 2012 19: 15
            +9
            Valera, everything is clear from the top. But when I look at the faces of downs screaming cheers Romney, Clinton and greeting McCain, there is a desire to conduct a general cleaning in America and wipe with chlorine
            1. esaul
              esaul 16 May 2012 19: 25
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But when I look at the faces of downs

              Good evening, buddy. Yes ... As they say - "Oil painting" ... The trouble is that they will continue to degrade as long as they raise on the shield, for example, such "achievements" as the all-encompassing love of "kneaders". Trends are threatening! After all, this dermovin is being held with increasing pressure all over the world!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 16 May 2012 19: 38
                +8
                Valera, where so far next? In California schools, gay students are now learning — that's all! Finish, final. What will grow out of these kids? McCain in comparison with them will seem a harmless old man
              2. Vadim555
                Vadim555 16 May 2012 19: 55
                +7
                Quote: esaul
                Oil painting "... The trouble is that they will continue to degrade as long as they raise on the shield, for example, such" achievements "as the all-encompassing love of" kneaders ". Tendencies are threatening! This dermovin is a rod with a growing pushing and around the world!


                Good afternoon.
                And what can they do?
                They have cancer of the brain (main) brain, they are no longer able to moderate their needs and as a result (with the collapse of finance and economy), they are left with some kind of "victorious" war. Although any gain, in any war, will only hasten their end.
                Due to the collapse of the USSR, they got the opportunity for the expansion of the dollar in new territory, i.e. strengthened their "financial pyramid". Now, in ANY scenario, it will not be possible to expand the zone of influence of the dollar and, as a result, the collapse of the pyramid (MMM), plus on 21.12.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX the FRS ends the lease of the printing press and the question of debts will probably arise.
                This is where the whistle can begin.
                And given the level of population of the population .....

                Homeless America will now also become hungry.

                http://digitalmetro.us/2012/05/16/bezdomnaya-amerika-teper-stanet-eshhe-i-golodn

                oj /
                1. esaul
                  esaul 16 May 2012 20: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim555
                  Good afternoon.

                  This is yours, dear, day! laughing We have night already. It is necessary to go, tomorrow there is a lot of work. And this policy of minke whales is very similar to the game "Vabank", when bluffing, they put on a very risky card. Well, they are no stranger to speculating on feelings, spiritual values ​​and lives. They are spikuli - spikuli.
                  1. edge
                    edge 19 May 2012 19: 06
                    0
                    I agree a purely British approach: bluff, provoke, slander, one root
            2. Bashkaus
              Bashkaus 16 May 2012 20: 04
              +3
              chlorine will not take, must be mustard!
            3. gor
              gor 16 May 2012 21: 52
              -3
              so go and do a general cleaning))))))))))))))))) I wonder if you really think that only soybeans are to blame for the collapse of the union?)))))))))) but there was- if it was real then there would be no noise around it. or was it in vain that ships were equipped with standards?
            4. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch 16 May 2012 22: 44
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But when I look at the faces of downs screaming cheers Romney, Clinton and cheering McCain

              They are from joy, at a meeting with applicants they sold hot dogs with a fucking discount.
          3. Tersky
            Tersky 16 May 2012 21: 03
            +5
            Quote: esaul
            Oh! Something struck me by pacifism tonight ...

            Good evening, old man! It’s necessary to be peaceful once. laughing, but in relation to amers do not relax, they like to lull their "experts" with such conclusions. So the aphorism "If you want peace, prepare for war" has not lost its relevance. It hurts sweetly in your ears Kenneth Benedict wink As the great Stanislavsky said in a bad game "I DO NOT BELIEVE"
          4. Cadet787
            Cadet787 16 May 2012 22: 37
            +1
            Thanks for a good koment
      3. Kite
        Kite 16 May 2012 23: 18
        0
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        One more attempt to blow fog and convince us that we have nothing to fear.

        - Some may be mistaken in assessing missile defense readiness, others may underestimate it. Dangerous for us are those who overestimate their capabilities, their security and, as a result, may decide on "big stupidity". The statement about counteraction, about a preemptive strike on missile defense is not a subtle hint, it is addressed precisely to those who overestimate themselves.
        For those who are completely stupid, it should be said even more specifically: Iskanders will certainly fly in to replace missile defense systems that have flown away to us (in our direction). fellow
      4. Krilion
        Krilion 17 May 2012 04: 18
        +1
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Another attempt to blow fog


        Not necessarily .. Just one more reason to understand that the American pull with missile defense is not only politics, but also the economy in the form of multi-billion dollar contracts for military research and production .. And in this case, those interested in science and industry do not give a damn how effectively their offspring works and whether they work at all at a given moment, the main thing is the process of development of allocated funds. As an example, F-117, and now also a raptor, which seems to me to be a classic example of a wild cut of the Pentagon’s military budget .. But this does not mean that money is allocated and spent (even taking into account the cut) in vain. Sooner or later, the amount of money allocated can go into quality, and then it will be too late to reflect. In this regard, Putin rightly said in due time that the potential issues are of primary importance in missile defense issues now. The author of the article at the time of writing was focused only on the current capabilities of the system (more precisely, on their absence), but does not describe his vision of the potential if the fundamental problems of the system are suddenly overcome one day.
    2. YARY
      YARY 16 May 2012 20: 02
      +2
      Valery with a compromise!

      We just see the political model in action "loosening".
      I will remind you.
      Action where for tough statements follow soft promises and assurances of almost friendship. The metal is hardened, yes. But the psychological effect is the opposite.
      So no assurances of the "oilmen" should shake the resolve to resist them without yielding a single step! angry am
      1. esaul
        esaul 16 May 2012 20: 35
        0
        Quote: Ardent
        Valery with a compromise

        Similarly, buddy!
        Quote: Ardent
        So no assurances of the "oilmen" should shake the resolve to resist them without yielding a single step!

        We succeeded in this issue on Syria and they sucked it. Now do not miss this fuse. You're right, man. drinks
        1. 755962
          755962 16 May 2012 21: 10
          +5
          How can one not recall Khrushchev’s demarche, which, in response to the deployment of American missiles in Turkey, secretly sent Soviet missiles to Cuba? Of course, the world experienced unpleasant moments, but the Americans began to respect us as a full partner. Today, the world will not be on the brink of war if Russia begins to develop a missile defense plan for its allies in Latin America, for example, from the consequences of a possible conflict between Britain and Argentina. And who are our allies, if not Chavez and Ortega, who, without hesitation, recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Now is the most favorable moment to seek an ally in the person of the same Christina Fernandez de Kirchner. The idea is not as absurd as it might seem at first. Find another option, but change the tactics of negotiations from defensive to offensive and start creating your missile defense system near the borders of the United States, especially since we are talking about ship systems. In addition, the United States now spends three times more to defend its advanced base forces and allies than its own territory. This is written, for example, by Baker Spring in The Cutting Edge. It is necessary to make them pay attention to their borders.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 16 May 2012 22: 44
      +3
      I once wrote in one comment that these conversations about missile defense are very similar to SDI !!
      I am basically convinced of this!
      and amers have a fallback for sure!
      I think they are for a very important concession from Russia to abandon this idea in words, and after 5 years when there will be a new president they will raise this issue again !!
      somewhere they will muddle and say that without missile defense there is no security!
      it is quite possible for some country that an imaginary enemy of humanity for these purposes will be allowed to temporarily get hold of nuclear weapons!
    4. Atlon
      Atlon 16 May 2012 23: 11
      +2
      Quote: esaul
      It's amazing to read and hear such conclusions from a Western (even American) expert! Something "died in the forest" or he is the spokesman for another (non-military) lobby in the states. Sounds convincing enough. if you remember the epic with the "unsurpassed" SDI and how, in fact, it all turned out to be a bluff, and the USSR, anyway, as a result, fell apart.

      In America, too, they like to cut folk money. No less than here and in other places. The US military-industrial complex is owned by private capital, while private capital needs profits. Frightening a layman with a drunk Russian bear with earflaps and a balalaika, you can shake any amount of money out of timid pale-faced people for any fantastic projects, if the notorious bears with earflaps would be deprived, they would not come to trample the American house lawns ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 17 May 2012 10: 24
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        In America, too, like to cut folk money

        Pavel, salute. I absolutely agree, especially since I already have a lot of materials on this topic.
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 17 May 2012 00: 58
      +4
      Quote: esaul
      But, judging by the statements of the Russian side about the opposition of "asymmetric" measures, the SDI lesson is not badly preserved in the memory of the Russians, and appropriate conclusions are being drawn. Let God ...


      The fact is, Valery, that by 2020, according to their plans, the sector of their missile defense will block our ICBMs on the active section of the flight path (at the stage of dispersal and orientation). If we take the western sector (we won’t touch the east, there the ship standards are still bullshit (suitable only against the BRMD and the ballistic missile regiment but not against our ICBMs because of the remoteness of their launch) according to the tests I analyzed earlier) then these are our Teykovskaya , Kozelskaya, Tatishchevskaya, Yuryanskaya, Bologovskaya, possibly Yoshkar-Ola. But the trick is that the main direction of the strike of these divisions in the USA goes through the Arctic and the North Pole, that is, in practice it turns out that there will be anti-missiles catching up. Like these ones salochki This is what kind of hyperspeed one must have in order to intercept the same YARS, for example, which also does not differ in slow speed at the start (due to the additional upper stage, the men who carried out the launch told that the "old" Topol did not feel like I would hang, stand and mentally adjust, well, come on, dear, just don't fall, there was still adrenaline, now everything is much faster and more prosaic). And to replace YARS, Solomonov is already bringing Avangard (the first tests were unsuccessful, but it seems that the first successful launch has already been carried out), Liner instead of Sineva will soon go for the nuclear submarine. Think about the effectiveness of such catch-ups?
      1. esaul
        esaul 17 May 2012 10: 26
        0
        Ascetic,
        Greetings, Stanislav. With great pleasure I read your comments, especially in terms of missiles. The feeling of pride in our defensive guys gets real recharge. drinks
      2. edge
        edge 19 May 2012 19: 14
        0
        it is known that during Brezhnev’s time 4 specialists of low power were abandoned in the states and only Humpbacked passed the bookmark places. Those were shocked .....
  2. Nursultan
    Nursultan 16 May 2012 18: 07
    0
    It’s good that they don’t have this shield love
    the United States needs to throw a couple of nuclear weapons that would not rock the boat angry
  3. Dmitriy69
    Dmitriy69 16 May 2012 18: 08
    +1
    One more attempt to blow fog and convince us that we have nothing to fear. Apparently I don’t like being in the scope of the scanners
  4. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross 16 May 2012 18: 10
    +8
    So think .... Tolley is the way it is ..... Tolley is mishandled NATO propaganda .......
    I think it’s necessary to bring down this missile defense system, and if it doesn’t work, then you need to bring it down even faster until it works.
    1. Nikita
      Nikita 17 May 2012 01: 10
      0
      Well, the author of the article wrote nonsense. Let's figure it out. So he says that to shoot down a rocket with a rocket is the same as a bullet by a bullet, and an arrow by an arrow. It doesn’t matter if it is or not, then they’ll succeed in knocking down Iranian missiles, but they don’t. What do they see fools in us?
      1. Cripple cross
        Cripple cross 17 May 2012 01: 15
        +1
        Nikita,
        Yes, in general, an article - it smacks of US propaganda.
        Kakoynit the newbie NAVALNY wrote for the loot.
      2. DERWISH
        DERWISH 17 May 2012 02: 16
        +1
        Real thoughts respected in the very fact that IT WORKS we are again to rub that amer missile defense as if it lacks legal capacity PEOPLE OPEN EYES ROCKET shoot down missiles like two fingers on the asphalt IS NOT BOSH IS REAL THREAT THE ONLY THINGS YOU NEED FOR EACH ISKANDER FIVE And only ten interceptor missiles WHAT & DOING EUROPE IN EUROPE SHOOTING AND OVER THE OCEAN ONLY THE KILLING WILL BE REMAINED AND THERE IS ABOUT OUR JUST THEY WILL PROBE THEM TO PERFORM THEIR TASKS AMER ABOUT US IS IN SUCH NEARBY !!!!!!
  5. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 16 May 2012 18: 18
    +5
    eyes avert must be alert USSR never doubted the true intentions of the United States
    1. esaul
      esaul 16 May 2012 18: 30
      +5
      Quote: Oleg0705
      The USSR has never doubted the true intentions of the United States

      Oleg, welcome. Yes, and ours, it seems, 080808 "went to mind" - "Do not catch flies with your mouth." The same, they say calmly, but the "Iskander" means. wink
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 16 May 2012 18: 44
        +2
        Hello Esaul! I agree with you completely
  6. Pedro
    Pedro 16 May 2012 18: 34
    -5
    I thought so, the missile defense problem is inflated by both sides.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 May 2012 18: 39
      +10
      Pedro, specify what you thought?
  7. Stasi.
    Stasi. 16 May 2012 18: 38
    +12
    The missile defense resembles the situation with the deployment of Nazi troops near our borders before the attack. At that time, a desa threw in that German troops were located near the Soviet borders with the goal of invading England. The disinformation is now being thrown that a missile defense system is deployed in order to protect against Iranian missiles. There are many technical problems in deploying missile defense, but equipment and scientific thought are not standing still; therefore, this system clearly poses a threat to Russia.
    1. dim-dim
      dim-dim 16 May 2012 20: 51
      +5
      Quote: Stasi.
      technology and scientific thought do not stand still, therefore, this system clearly poses a threat to Russia.


      Gold words!!! It doesn't matter that today this system looks like a "toy pistol" with which the boys play "war", but the main thing is that sites have already been allocated for this system, the necessary infrastructure has been laid down and all the necessary legislative acts have been concluded, therefore, "tomorrow", when technologies allow, instead of "toy pistols" there will be quite combat-ready missiles that will be able to solve the tasks assigned to them! And overseas uncles can continue to feed us with fairy tales - they have no faith !!!
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 16 May 2012 21: 51
        +3
        The Stasi, and I still remember, the Fuhrer told Molotov that the Berlin-Rome-Tokyo axis was not directed against the USSR and invited them to join, although "Barbarossa" was already embodied in iron. Agree, well, very similar to an invitation to cooperation on missile defense sad
        1. Stasi.
          Stasi. 16 May 2012 23: 15
          +2
          I agree, very similar. History, as we see, develops in a spiral, everything repeats, only in a different situation.
  8. Zlu
    Zlu 16 May 2012 19: 06
    +4
    well, if it’s really not working, it’s another matter that the defense must be ready for it to work.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 16 May 2012 19: 45
      +6
      On the economic side, it can be assumed that the corporation that produces and produces these missiles, simply sells its products under any conditions and in any way through the government, which themselves are investors in this production. In short, the Rothschilds, etc., need to sell their products regardless of the fact that they wanted to spit on everything and everyone!
  9. volcano
    volcano 16 May 2012 19: 29
    +3
    Now infa on missile defense can go very different and opposite. And from their scientists and politicians and public figures. They will specially powder our heads. Some authorities will say that this is a bluff, others that it is a threat. All of this will gain momentum as we approach the completion of the stages. It is quite possible that this is a very thoughtful move by our "partners". Even if they can convince a common man in Russia that missile defense is safe for us, it will already be a success. Russia needs to assess all issues related to missile defense exclusively from two positions. 1. the opinion of our science on the question of whether this is possible in principle. 2. The data of our intelligence on the question whether the amers have reached this level. And if these positions coincide, take adequate countermeasures. And so why listen to each amer. The dog barks, the wind carries. Well, about Legal guarantees, I wrote in another thread lol
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 16 May 2012 20: 12
      +4
      And what to take them, these are your adequate countermeasures? to shove 50 kilotons of gifts into the expanders’s division each and in a clean field near Kaliningrad ... But the fact that you’re racking your brains and guessing at a camomile does the missile defense system work, or it doesn’t work, and if it starts working, when ...
      1. volcano
        volcano 16 May 2012 21: 40
        +6
        Personally, I think that the Iskanders have nothing to do with it. Well, why cling to them? Well, at first they’ll be beaten according to the Iskanders, and then by us. I will scatter YOU on my knee as they will cover ISKANDERS with an interval of 10 minutes and then the first wave will go, but we have nothing to answer, because their missile defense is destroyed by our answer. We, all over the world, shouted ISKANDERS TO KALININGRAD. EH gay. I am talking about something else. About the Breakthrough in rocket science. On the creation of such brains that are not afraid of missile defense. About the latest supersonic strategic bombers. On the deployment of our missiles where the enemy does not reach. Missile platforms in the Arctic for example. What is it like? OUR misfortune is that we are surrounded by NON-COMMON TERRITORY. And the people in this territory are controlled by a puppeteer, who, due to his geographical position, has practically protected himself from retaliation. Like it or not, but the United States can fight with us in all ways of the Air Force, Navy, Navy, etc. (of course, not without the help of its vassals), and we with them in only one way with a nuclear missile strike. This is our weak point. Therefore, it must be increased with such a reserve that no missile defense would be scary.
        1. edge
          edge 19 May 2012 19: 17
          0
          Baltic guys will soon be empty, in Lithuania the population of 800 million remains.
      2. sergo0000
        sergo0000 17 May 2012 06: 36
        +1
        Bashkaus,
        I agree! What difference does their system work or not! If there is action on the part of NATO, then there must be an adequate opposition !!!
  10. Nickolay3145
    Nickolay3145 16 May 2012 19: 47
    +1
    Whatever and however it may be - but they definitely bomb their missile defense !!!
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 16 May 2012 21: 12
      +2
      Nickolay3145 I see supastats earned with playful hands, minus you (((But I agree with you, exterminate the creatures and let them know that any adventure of theirs will hit them on the head with a cobblestone. By the way, a promising heavy rocket that should replace the Voevoda and I propose to call it "cobblestone " for convenience.
  11. Fonzeppelin
    Fonzeppelin 16 May 2012 19: 54
    -15
    The article is complete nonsense.

    American missile defense is being created with the goal of protecting the United States from LIMITED missile attacks. Those. from single missiles and small salvos of obsolete, single-head missiles.

    Those. from the arsenal that small countries can potentially build.

    The task of the US missile defense is simply not to allow the missile arsenal, for example, of the DPRK, to prevent the Americans from "putting things in order in the DPRK." This is the ONLY US missile defense function at the moment. And not only the United States, but also India (which is actively building missile defense systems), Japan ...

    To put it simply: with the inevitable proliferation of missile and nuclear technologies - and they are spreading, you cannot endlessly hide secrets of 50 years ago! - the appearance of primitive ICBMs and nuclear bombs is possible even in small countries. Large nations actively "pursuing" world politics should have limited missile defense capabilities as well as air defense.

    Simple and elementary realpolitik


    Well and another thing: the American missile defense is not coordinated against Russia, and in its current concept it cannot be oriented.

    Bases in Europe - whatever they were - do not interfere with Russian missiles, whose flight paths are TRANSPOLAR.

    People, are you actually aware of the basic truth of the Cold War that the shortest route from the USA to the USSR / Russia is through the North Pole? Except, of course, the really useless Alaska and Chukotka.

    While the US is building missile bases in Europe, we have nothing to fear. And there is nothing for any alarmists to breed a tantrum.

    You need to start getting nervous if missile defense bases appear in Canada, and missile defense radars appear at the Tula airbase in Greenland. So far, there is nothing like this at all.

    So the advice to the author - LET'S FINISH FOOLING HUMAN HEADS!

    PS No, well, seriously, people, you can’t be such wild amateurs. Download the elementary Google Earth and measure the distance from Moscow to New York. It will be quite obvious which course is closer. This is true for any means.

    And then panic. panic. patriotic hamsters inflate cheek pouches and squeak "let's show our answer to NATO"! Instead of building the ABM system ourselves. Otherwise we will run into some Georgia with an ICBM, and we will have to politely raise our paws up and agree "yes, yes, it was the Russian peacekeepers who attacked you ... we will punish the guilty ... we'll figure it out" ...
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 16 May 2012 20: 14
      +3
      I do not agree, if you want, a primitive country doesn’t need a launch vehicle, you can take it with a suitcase, put it into a passenger plane at the airport, or put it together on the spot, since the states are a big country.
    2. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 16 May 2012 20: 55
      +1
      Fonzeppelin,
      Quote: Fonzeppelin
      Instead of building the missile defense system yourself. And then we’ll run into some Georgia with ICBMs,



      it is better to return the territory under your wing
    3. dim-dim
      dim-dim 16 May 2012 21: 00
      +4
      It’s interesting, but who said that this missile defense system cannot be used as an attacker, which will prevent the use of missiles not for destroying our missiles, for striking at our cities, military facilities, etc. ?? It is clear that the missiles are not nuclear, but who will guarantee that they will not put nuclear weapons there tomorrow? Who will track and guarantee the NATO plans for the future ?? How these uncles keep their promises is known to the whole world !! Therefore, we do not need to reassure us, we must strengthen the defense and be ready for everything!
    4. vladimir64ss
      vladimir64ss 16 May 2012 21: 07
      +2
      Quote: Fonzeppelin
      so what is the advice to the author - LET'S FINISH FOOTHING HEADS TO PEOPLE!

      Correctly. But only physics and geography are not enough here. Political trends and psychology sometimes mean more.
    5. Igorboss16
      Igorboss16 16 May 2012 23: 31
      0
      if you follow your advice and don’t deploy the euro’s countermeasures, then we will inevitably be attacked and there is a reason for this,
      Quote: Fonzeppelin
      Well and still: the American missile defense is not coordinated against Russia

      why do you think so, according to the location and direction of the euro, many experts are of the opinion that it is directed completely on the other side, and let's offer in Canada to put ours with 400 under some pretext that amers would think interestingly, it is likely that it is directed against them, and it never hurts to reinsure us, which is what we did by installing iskanders, but for some reason the amers do not resist this painfully, and it’s not known whether the missiles are there or something completely different
  12. sergskak
    sergskak 16 May 2012 20: 09
    +2
    The author is dripping on his brain. Is he holding on to fools? Fifty times he repeated that she was not working. laughing And then we thought the fools ... Thanks e.p.t, that opened the eyes of our specialists! what
  13. vkz
    vkz 16 May 2012 20: 09
    +2
    After reading this article, I got the feeling that the Americans, having a whole bunch of problems in implementing their widely advertised missile defense system, are now very concerned about gaining access to our developments on the missile defense system. Which, judging by the tone of the article, it seems, has not yet been completely squandered in the "dashing" 90s.
  14. const72
    const72 16 May 2012 20: 17
    +2
    I doubt about their missile defense, there may not be a need for preemptive strikes, but a fist under your nose to know what it smells is necessary.
  15. maksim
    maksim 16 May 2012 20: 31
    +2
    there are still laws of physics that no one canceled preventing them from shooting down a rocket launched over Poland from Russia!
  16. Starksa
    Starksa 16 May 2012 21: 05
    +1
    But maybe another duck about it? it’s just a joke in that if we participate in it, they will have more benefit from us than the other way around, especially as the article says that this system does not work.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 16 May 2012 23: 30
      0
      Quote: StarkSA
      But maybe another duck about it? it’s just a joke in that if we participate in it, they will have more benefit from us than the other way around, especially as the article says that this system does not work.

      Amer Kanz fools his people to justify the billions of dollars spent on missile defense, and together with them they try to fool us, we are so trusting. Here you are doubtful. Americans for their own benefit will never be honest, especially with us There are no tricks in any situation .
  17. 11Goor11
    11Goor11 16 May 2012 21: 53
    0
    Yes, they are all just ... Obama voters!
  18. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 16 May 2012 22: 01
    0
    Schaub did not turn out this Euro ABM is the same diso, as, in due time, the SDI program
  19. Ziksura
    Ziksura 16 May 2012 22: 04
    +2
    Quote: Fonzeppelin
    And then there was panic. panic. patriotic hamsters inflate cheek pouches and squeak "let's show our answer to NATO"! Instead of building the missile defense system ourselves. Otherwise we will run into some Georgia with an ICBM, and we will have to politely raise our legs up and agree “yes, yes, it was Russian peacekeepers who attacked you ...

    Where did you see the panic here? In addition to insults under the guise of hypothetical reasoning, are there any arguments? And here is the pole? We decided to crush the arguments for first graders? What are the tasks of European radars? Early start detection. So? So. Marine missile defense deployment? Marine. And what prevents the deployment of an appropriate grouping off the coast of Canada? True, no one. Set the ruler aside.

    Whether the Euro PRO system is working or not is not important at the moment. What is important is the very fact of an increase (at least an attempt at such an increase) of the military threat from NATO towards Russia. Well, the guys were moved by appointing to "eat" Iran for 2012, and the deployment of a defense system against the "Iranian threat" at a later time ...
  20. Vadim-ragalevich
    Vadim-ragalevich 16 May 2012 22: 55
    +1
    The article is frank and impudent misinformation!
  21. timurpl
    timurpl 16 May 2012 23: 09
    0
    2) none of the existing anti-ballistic sensors can distinguish warheads from false targets and other foreign objects ...
    “As far as I know, false goals appear only at the finish stage, but before that everything flies together ... and God forbid that something gets off together too!” or not?
  22. Odinplys
    Odinplys 16 May 2012 23: 22
    0
    Moreover, these same officials are angry with Russia for declaring the possibility of delivering a preventive strike on the system if it is deployed. Apparently, Russia has the guts to consider the proposed system a threat to its missiles.

    This is the answer ... why are allegations of allegedly worthless missile defense appear ...
    In the event of a preemptive strike ... A missile defense will never be created ...
    The answer is worthy of Russia .... and a sense of pride in the country ...
  23. scrack
    scrack 16 May 2012 23: 37
    0
    PRO-opium for the people. And it costs a lot
  24. sazhka0
    sazhka0 17 May 2012 00: 19
    0
    The article will not pass unnoticed by our services .. In my opinion, it’s just a stuffing that Russia does not twitch at the negotiations. I am so kazzaa ..
  25. andrklimanov
    andrklimanov 17 May 2012 01: 22
    0
    On February 21, 2008, the SM-3 rocket was launched from the Lake Erie cruiser in the Pacific Ocean and three minutes after the launch [4] it was hit by an emergency reconnaissance satellite USA-247, located at an altitude of 193 kilometers, moving at a speed of 27 km / h [ 300] (5 7 m / s)
    if this is true, then they have a "shield", no matter how disgusting it was to admit it
  26. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 17 May 2012 04: 13
    +1
    There is something a lot of fog in this fuss! If the missile defense does not work on} {ren spend money? If a "false airfield", then it is cheaper to buy inflatable models from us and scare the "enemy". If the missile defense works, it is probably possible to intercept ICBMs of Iran (India, Pakistan, Israel), but how to be with the DPRK? Is it not far-off, maybe under the guise of missile defense they are installing TNW? In principle, it is monopenescent, it is important to answer on time and adequately!
  27. bashkort
    bashkort 17 May 2012 04: 32
    +3
    Whether there is life on Mars, whether there is life on Mars - science does not know for sure. But NATO members have to endure the brain with our "asymmetric responses" in any case. It is better to throw out a weapon once again than to use it later, if someone doubts that we still have it.
  28. Opertak
    Opertak 17 May 2012 07: 48
    +1
    The article largely repeats the material of our site: http://topwar.ru/12634-amerikanskaya-pro-korotka-kolchuzhka.html I posted it in March, while this Kennette Benedict found our site, while it was translated, it was May 9 that it arrived :))
  29. Averias
    Averias 17 May 2012 08: 06
    0
    I have long suspected, and now I suspect, that missile defense is by and large a bluff. There are many criteria, one of them, and who will defend the missile defense installation itself, and the statements that the missile defense will launch a missile on the launch march is doubtful. If she stands near the mine - then yes :)). The deployment of missile defense is another intrigue in geopolitics, and as they said here, SDI comes to mind. There is an impression that they are trying to distract us from something more serious. Well, if it turns out as it is written in the article, then the Americans are even funnier than I thought.
  30. webster05
    webster05 18 May 2012 21: 59
    0
    The question may not be on the topic, but still, in our country they are modernizing the SS-18 SATANA Intercontinental Ballistic Missile
  31. Castor oil
    Castor oil 19 May 2012 19: 27
    0
    Pearl is certainly fucking ...
    proposal by American and Russian rocket experts to jointly research and develop a system of “advanced active defense”, which should replace the current - inoperative
    Is it that we ourselves have trunched a club? Completely fucked up fool
    It is necessary to plan your actions on missile defense as if it is acting and effective, in no case relying on the opinions of ANY experts about the fake likeness of this missile defense itself !!! angry
  32. TeploiUyt
    TeploiUyt 5 February 2013 13: 39
    0
    Who knows the normal social network? In addition to mail, one-year-olds and any such crap.

    Who knows the normal social network? In addition to mail, one-year-olds and any such crap.

    Who knows the normal social network? In addition to mail, one-year-olds and any such crap.
  33. MegaSan
    MegaSan 17 June 2013 11: 45
    0
    than all according to caromysh. :)
  34. MegaSan
    MegaSan 7 July 2013 13: 54
    0
    Please tell me if it’s too late to start bodybuilding? I am 38 years old
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