In the United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

The destroyer leader created in Russia (the 23560 project) will receive the most powerful weapons in the world and will surpass practically all warships in its characteristics, writes Military Watch.

According to the resource, the “Leader” plan to equip, among other things, with improved versions of C-500 anti-aircraft missiles and Redut complexes.

The author is sure that the specified weapon will be decisive in eliminating threats at sea and will ensure the success of aircraft carrier groups.

In addition, the ship can be armed with missile-artillery complex “Pantsir-M”, cruise missiles “Caliber” and hypersonic “Zircons”. The installation on board of the naval version of the Dagger complex is also not excluded.

"Leaders" will be carriers up to 200 vertical launchers for various types of missiles, including anti-aircraft, anti-ship and underwater, the newspaper writes.

According to the author, all of these weapons makes the destroyer a very promising development, which will give the Russian Federation the status of a major maritime power.

It is also reported that the estimated length of the ship will be 200 m, width - 20 m. Displacement - about 17,5 thousand tons, speed - up to 30 nodes. Construction should start in 2020.

Comments

[_Ugene_]

In the United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

it’s a pity that he really isn’t, only plans for the distant future, and yes, a solid ship

[barclay]

The author is confident that the specified weapon will be decisive in eliminating threats at sea and ensure the success of aircraft carrier naval groups.
I’m embarrassed to ask WHOSE carrier groups? Are we planning carrier groups?
Interesting fantasies ...

[For example]

My son came up with a much more formidable weapon. It’s true that he cannot really draw, let alone drawings.
But! Tremble the enemy and give up!

[Gargantua]

Wow, our layouts are the scariest layouts in the world. Under the current rulers, only those who have no analogues in the world are models and we can scare.

[Proxima]

If the grandmother has eggs - this is already grandfather, but if the 200-meter destroyer has 200 vertical rocket launchers, then this is a missile cruiser.

[yehat]

Well, you know these games in the name of the type of ship
project 23560 can easily be called some kind of squad watchman or
small URO ship or even an armed container ship.

[Rusj]

Yes, what are you directing just some mock-ups and also forgot about cartoons! Wow, how many likes! Hamsters Anal huh? Be quiet and do not disgrace.

[Sergey ippon]

and cartoons about weapons are the most frightening

[hrych]

Pulling a belt for educational purposes would not hurt, otherwise it would grow into a perfect liberal The marine variety of the Dagger is Zircon, according to some insiders. Rather, the marine version of Iskander, for the Dagger is its aviation embodiment. According to the Leader - his outline design was approved and its construction was included in the Armament Program. So peel and peel again.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: hrych

According to the Leader - his outline design was approved and its construction was included in the Armament Program.

Well, if the draft design is approved, then the enemy tremble And what weapons program do you mean - up to whom year, 2050?

[Vladimir 5]

When the enemy praises, then the wrong actions are beneficial to the potential enemy ... Here are 200 launchers on one of 17 tons. It is better to allocate 10 tons of full displacement, with all weapons, to 1500 ships - this is a squadron and force ... With incomparable price and efficiency ...

[max702]

Quote: Vladimir 5

When the enemy praises, then the wrong actions are beneficial to the potential enemy ... Here are 200 launchers on one of 17 tons. It is better to allocate 10 tons of full displacement, with all weapons, to 1500 ships - this is a squadron and force ... With incomparable price and efficiency ...

What are we doing today in principle ..

[Setrac]

Quote: Vladimir 5

With incomparable price and efficiency ...

The combat stability of one large ship is lower than that of several small comparable total displacement.

[weksha50]

Quote: Vladimir 5

When the enemy praises

But doesn’t it seem that in this case the enemy is ironic?
PS I did not say the word "mocking" ...
Well, let them pironize ... The main thing is that our coastal zone should be thoroughly protected ... Both by coastal complexes and the small fleet, which many scoff at ...
Indeed, literally yesterday or the day before yesterday there was a good article on the VO regarding the views on the fleet and its importance in offensive (!!!) operations ... Russia so far (!!!) is not attacking anyone, but is trying to protect its coasts and territory .. .

[AUL]

In the United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

True, it’s not yet, and to build,perhapswill start only in a couple of years - but still!

[gukoyan]

"... WHOSE ..."
What if it goes for export to China, there is something to cover ...

[yehat]

China would love to adapt the project to its plans - they are just starting to build a series of URO cruisers.

[Setrac]

Quote: barclay

I’m embarrassed to ask WHOSE carrier groups?

Russian and American - brothers forever?

Quote: barclay

Are we planning carrier groups?

In ten years, the Chinese fleet will surpass the American, and in another ten years the Chinese fleet will be equal to the fleet of the rest of humanity. Who do you think Russia will be for?

[bouncyhunter]

military watch.

And I was expecting that this NI pleased us again with an expert opinion ... It turns out that not only NI knows how to share the skin of an unkilled bear.

[210ox]

I would add. The most powerful destroyer model. Under glass.

Quote: _Ugene_

In the United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

it’s a pity that he really isn’t, only plans for the distant future, and yes, a solid ship

[artifact]

10 to 15 years ago they also said: - Yes, what is the hypersound there, when will it still be and our “models under glass” are the very best.

[Bastinda]

Late! We got ahead!
http://karopka.ru/community/user/6814/?MODEL=2685
49

He can also fly!

[RASKAT]

Mixed in a heap, horses people and volleys of thousands of guns ........
Well, what C-500 would A-235 say. What daggers? The Land Dagger is Iskander, by the way. Poseidons, Relights, Petrels will also not doubt it.
In general, on paper we can’t draw such a thing, but we can build a spaceship out of plastic in general. Let's not fly in the clouds, but proceed from reality. No ship, nothing to discuss.

[Piramidon]

Quote: _Ugene_

In the United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

it’s a pity that he really isn’t, only plans for the distant future, and yes, a solid ship

If the enemy praises you, then this should, at least, alarm, and not please.

[dSK]

Quote: Piramidon

If the enemy praises you, then it should, alarmingь

The states are not afraid of our only "Leader", they "release" analogues several times a year and the "advantage" in number ten times against Russia. Theoretically, the "Leader" can "get" the States only in the Pacific Ocean, based on Kamchatka.
States are very afraid of our ICBMs, it is more than a real threat to them. The article is a clear "disinformation."

[Evgeniy667b]

Of course, on the paper and ship-making level, he has no equal! And by the time he appears tenaciously in the metal, it may become morally obsolete

[gukoyan]

... has not yet been implemented in metal, but is already considered the most-most ... Urpatriot news is direct ...
But the state does not have money, what kind of bucks will it build?
Utopia is direct ... And there are so many unrealized projects.

[rotmistr60]

Urapatriot news is direct ...

And where does it mean if Military Watch writes about it? Or did the Americans become Russian urapatriots?

[gukoyan]

I mean, there is a lot of fake in the press ...
You can write a lot of things, the paper will endure ... He will say that Trump was very pleased, after a trip to Lada Grant)))
What is not news ...
And taking into account the fact that they are trying to instill patriotism, you can get a lot of forest stuff ... Here are 70 old people who are eager to work ...

[artifact]

Quote: gukoyan

I mean, there is a lot of fake in the press ...
You can write a lot of things, the paper will endure ... He will say that Trump was very pleased, after a trip to Lada Grant)))
What is not news ...
And taking into account the fact that they are trying to instill patriotism, you can get a lot of forest stuff ... Here are 70 old people who are eager to work ...

and you need to instill patriotism !? this is kind of a normal state of a person if he is not a liberal of course. about the Lada grant, you would still remember 21 ...

[gukoyan]

And you are a patriot of that country which sucks the last juices out of you, robs you with the help of the law, at the legislative level oppresses your rights, and in principle, in the near future will make slaves out of ordinary people untrue, depriving the latter?
It's a shame for the power, but with the current government and the country's course, apparently I'm not a patriot in your opinion ...
And under the current patriotism that they want to instill ... the state says give us everything you have and Pasha until you die in the workplace, and the puppet listens and gives, pension reform will contribute to this.
And I'm not a liberalist, an ordinary proletarian who writhes at work to live another day, and not from a good life)

[MPN]

Quote: gukoyan

Urapatriot news is direct ...

And carefully to read how?

writes Military Watch.

And the headline carefully, in capital letters, no way?

In the US called Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

And go to the site via the link? How not? http://militarywatchmagazine.com/

[shahor]

Actually, the article discusses the Flurry, what does the Leader have to do with it?

[MPN]

Quote: shahor

Actually, the article discusses the Flurry, what does the Leader have to do with it?

Read the article and compare by offers. We have the name "flurry" assigned to the torpedo. maybe it's their name. because the metal does not have it, they did not assign the official code, in their literature they designate it that way ... But the article is from there exactly ..., almost one to one.

[Antares]

Quote: shahor

Actually, the article discusses the Flurry, what does the Leader have to do with it?

The Leader-class destroyer or Project 23560 (Shkval-class destroyer or Project 23560E for export version)
Project 23560 destroyers (code "Leader")

[Tarasve]

Fear the adversary! The main thing is that they generally begin construction.

[gukoyan]

What would be afraid of, layout?))

[Serg65]

Quote: TarasVE

The main thing is to start construction at all

God grant that they do not start !!!

[novel66]

why, such a set of weapons, they even put a transclutor.

[Serg65]

Hi flyer!
Roma, it’s like the “Eagles,” a powerful and large cruiser, but no one needs anyone, because no one knows what to do with them! The Navy needs a destroyer-workhorse and not a museum exhibit in 2-3 copies!

[artifact]

Quote: TarasVE

Fear the adversary! The main thing is that they generally begin construction.

they won’t build or even start, by the way, as PUBLICITY predicted, they didn’t build a bridge across the Kerch Strait, and the Olympics didn’t have a patamush; they all stole money and built a cottage for them to Putin, they’ve bought gold right now and the walls are pure emerald .....

[yehat]

there is a difference - to build a bridge from the simplest designs or a ship stuffed to the top with technological buns. Now our industry not ready build these ships at a sane level of quality and timing. How much time is needed to build it? 3-5 years for additional design, 30 years for construction and installation, another 3 years for testing and another 5-7 years for fine-tuning and treatment of childhood diseases. So, after about 50 years, you will receive a ship that will already be obsolete for 30 years.

[Radical]

Judging by the layout in the photo, the ratio of the surface and underwater parts of the ship is not equal, which raises the question of its stability ....

[gukoyan]

I agree, he lacks a good keel ...

[barclay]

Layout - he is the layout.

[WATCH_OFFICER]

Quote: Radikal

Judging by the layout in the photo, the ratio of the surface and underwater parts of the ship is not equal, which raises the question of its stability ....

I am sure that the designers have calculated everything, but I agree that the mast looks very embarrassing ... most likely it is not heavy and made of composites, but the windage is probably like that of Kruzenshtern ...

[artifact]

Quote: WATCH_OFFICER

Quote: Radikal

Judging by the layout in the photo, the ratio of the surface and underwater parts of the ship is not equal, which raises the question of its stability ....

I am sure that the designers have calculated everything, but I agree that the mast looks very embarrassing ... most likely it is not heavy and made of composites, but the windage is probably like that of Kruzenshtern ...

all major power plants and ammunition below the waterline. although it seems unreliable. maybe just the photo angle is this !?

[artifact]

Quote: Radikal

Judging by the layout in the photo, the ratio of the surface and underwater parts of the ship is not equal, which raises the question of its stability ....

Well! there’s at least something to discuss - TTX, armament, otherwise the “model under glass” “will not begin to build” “but who is afraid of it.” as if not a Military Review but a branch of Ekhymaskva

[Altona]

Already foam models have become feared. Where is this world heading?

[Blue fox]

Military Watch is by chance not Klitschko’s property? “And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do it ” (C)

[smart ass]

I do not recognize in. Previously, patriots were sitting alone, but now are skeptics?

[gukoyan]

The times now heavy have come father)))
People will soon be brought to the handle ...

[bk316]

And what's so surprising. The mattress congress allocated some money for propaganda. Here it is in VO and mastered by all-drifting weekly ....

[gukoyan]

I don’t see a cent from the USA ... But I’m not happy with the authorities ... I’m not the only one ... Many people recently include and understand the realities under the current government.

[smart ass]

The damned American congress has also raised the retirement age for us !!!

[NordUral]

Slowly it comes to us - people are fooled, Nerd. ,

[kefan]

So far it's all a dream, unfortunately.

[donavi49]

The most interesting Krylovsky mock circle - which molded this model, is related to a promising destroyer only as a contractor, and then only a basin component.

It’s like with Lavina - the Krylovtsy blinded, and as a result, all contracts went to the Nevsky Design Bureau, and the Krylovsky Center only takes part in the pool .

[Wiruz]

I would like to believe that the presented layout has nothing to do with a promising destroyer. However, it seems like this project was approved by the Ministry of Defense. Or maybe illiterate journalists just messed up

[ShM05]

Are they kidding us? )

[NordUral]

They, like "ours," make fun of their taxpayers.

[Vladimirovich_4]

There it is how it turned out. Can you imagine what will happen if it is also built?

[Wiruz]

Well, that’s it ... We found a reason for pride. Now we can multiply all eight dozen American destroyers and cruisers by zero with this plastic model, right? Glory to the Navy! Navy Glory!

[Kotofeich]

There was such a magazine, "The Seeker," which published science fiction. Military Watch continues his business.

[top_war_shit]

we would have 10 of them all would shut up

[gukoyan]

You won’t throw money on a dozen such boats, so that you can close your mouths?))

[GibSoN]

When the country has so much free money and the opportunity to build a dozen of these ships, there are much simpler and safer ways to shut their mouths))

[gukoyan]

Well, that’s not a problem, they will raise the retirement age to 100 years and VAT up to 90% - just business)

[Kostadinov]

What prevents the arming of a civilian vessel of suitable displacement?

[Wiruz]

What prevents the arming of a civilian vessel of suitable displacement?

Common sense

[WildFox72]

And also we glued cardboard fittings of 100000 pieces and the Su-57 50000. The thrill of their power, American warrior!

[Sadko88]

we need such ships at sea ...

[artifact]

I like.

[Faceless]

This is a whole cruiser, not a destroyer. We would have built it soon ...

[dumkopff]

I agree. This displacement destroyer pulls somewhere on the battlecruiser Invincible. Acceleration, however.

[g1v2]

A ship that has not yet begun to build? I would understand if it was about Orlan. At least about Pete, at least about Nakhimov. Those are really the most powerful right now. But the Leader has not even begun to build.
In general, journalists are true to themselves.

[NordUral]

Here, journalists are simply a reflection of the mirror of power.

[san4es]

The plans of the Navy are revising the construction of a series of 8 ships of the Leader type. Their appearance should be linked to the construction of the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier “Storm” and large landing helicopter carriers of the “Avalanche” / “Surf” type. These are ships of the far sea zone that need reliable protection. In this case, the destroyer will be able to act independently. The arsenal of his percussion weapons is enough to complete solo missions.
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201708291101
-e4g6.htm

[Serg65]

Quote: san4es

Navy plans revise construction of a series of 8 Leader ships

Sasha, like a sailor to a sailor, why do we need this Leader ???

[san4es]

Quote: Serg65

... why do we need this Leader ???

... for stability in the ocean ... and, if with a nuclear power plant, fuel oil does not eat

[Serg65]

Quote: san4es

For excellence in the ocean.

Back to the USSR? We rivet the super duper atomic cruisers, and the BS are carried by 50 destroyers built. Of course, some superiority can be declared, but it and 35 years ago were not on the expanses of the oceans. For the most part, the 50, 56, 68 bis, 61 projects played the role of a powerful fleet! And now we are stepping on the same rake? But there really are no really necessary ships! It feels like Ustinov came to life and again began to steer the MO

[san4es]

... A little lower for NordUral, my answer is

[Serg65]

Sasha, all these interests can be solved by ships with a conventional GU - this is the first.
Secondly, amicably, a ship with nuclear warheads will be accompanied by ships with a conventional GU, because creating a KUG from ships with a nuclear warhead is very expensive for the state and, in addition, transports in salar will teleport for such a KUG to replenish water, provisions and ammunition tanks!
Even let's say the Russian Federation dodged and created 10 KUG, each must have at least 4-5 Leaders and + pieces of 20-25 are in the bases for repair and preparation for the BS! Isn’t it easier for half of this money to make 3-4 times as many destroyers with a conventional GU and, in a compartment with frigates, cover the same territory with more anti-ship missiles and missiles ??

[san4es]

Quote: Serg65

... all these interests can be solved by ships with ordinary GU

- I agree, “better is more, but less”

... create KUG from ships with YaU

... Well, this is the United States version ... In general, we are not aware that they came up with "upstairs"
"Leader" with his arms, alone will be able to close a large area (under water, on water and in the air).

[g1v2]

Well, in general, the Leader was conceived as a support for the cruising strike group. The destroyer is only in name. This is a full-fledged missile cruiser more powerful than the Atlanteans, but weaker than the Orlanes - the arsenal ship. Having a couple of pieces in the SF and Pacific Fleet will not be superfluous. The basis of the ships of the far sea zone was of course planned frigates 22350, which are actually destroyers. But a couple of arsenal ships won't hurt either. Another thing, of course, is that these are not essential ships now. Plus, the North Shipyard, where they were going to build them, is being modernized and is not ready yet.
Well, it’s worth understanding that the lead Leader will be built at least 8-9 years, and maybe longer. In the case of a dangerous situation, he will not be able to help. Any war will begin and end while it is on the stocks. But in general, such an attack ship as the base of the Kug will not hurt us.

[Serg65]

Welcome Vitaliy!
In the construction of our ships, we have always been guided by existing enemy ships, I, too, with your permission, will not pretend to be Wund Irkind and will draw your attention to Arly Burke! The destroyer with 8,5 thousand tons of displacement, has the usual GEM and 96 !!!!!! launch cells for various missiles, the average cost of 1,4 billion. The destroyer Leader will have a nuclear submarine, displacement of 18 thousand tons, 136 of launching cells of various classes, the estimated cost of 2 + $ billion. Those. if even believing a word about 2 billion, instead of 2's of Leaders with 272 cells, 3 of Burke with 288 cells + spaced apart. What do we have in fat? And in Navar, we have 16 missiles in positive territory, the diversity of launch platforms in space, which in turn leads to an increase in the number of enemy destruction forces (which is often problematic), there is of course a minus ... 6 thousand nautical miles compared to unlimited range (though in 90 days the Leader must replenish supplies).
Based on the above, personally written my opinion ... to create on the basis of 1155.1 a destroyer with similar characteristics of Burke, which will save time, money and allow you to saturate the fleet relatively quickly with ships of the 1 rank of the Far Sea Zone.

[yehat]

Burke - a narrowly focused ship for a single function, to launch a large volley of missiles at a great distance. Everything else he either does not or does poorly. For example, anti-aircraft defense or anti-aircraft defense of the near zone of a ship’s warrant.
as I understand it, a leader is much more universal. So do not measure everything with the amount of PU.
But I agree with you for another reason - as long as we can’t even make a frigate sane, starting the construction of cruisers is a frank adventure.
Separately, I want to note the fact that diamond antaeus has abolished most of the groups working on marine variants of missile weapons.
What they plan to put on the destroyer as weapons is a complete mystery to me, because there are simply no marine adaptations of the latest systems.

[Serg65]

Welcome

Quote: yehat

burke - narrowly sharpened ship

The namesake, and we still have all the ships narrowly sharpened! In addition, I do not call to mindlessly copy Burke! Keeping 64 missiles at one point of the sea is more dangerous than in three, and a strike from different directions is more profitable!
The Russian Navy has already passed this! In the 80's, adherent of the military industrial complex Ustinov threw superfood ships at the shipyard, and there was nothing to carry out military service! Instead of saturating the fleet with Atlantes, Sarychs and Frigates, shipbuilders were busy building supergiants!

Quote: yehat

until we can make even a frigate sane

It is a matter of time, and time is on our side! The main thing is not to succumb to the adventures of the West!

[g1v2]

Well, I would not oppose the Leader to the Burks. Leader destroyer only in name. This is a full-fledged RK - essentially an arsenal ship. As for the number of portable missiles, there is no complete clarity so far.
But as far as I remember, at Berkov 96 cells for everything - that is, it is necessary to put anti-aircraft missiles and tomahawks and anti-submarine into it. As far as I remember, the standard is 80 cells occupied by two types of anti-aircraft missiles, 8 Tomahawks and 8 anti-submarine missiles. We have anti-aircraft systems - separately, uksk separately. In my opinion, 22350 m should resist the Berks. They just need to be built. From the fifth ship we can rivet them like the states of Burke - quickly and inexpensively.
Plus emphasis on smart rockets. Zircon doesn’t really care where he was launched from - from the Leader, submarine or frigate 22350. The large ammunition is designed for a significant part of the missiles to be brought down by the enemy. Therefore, the volley density is extremely important. But if the missile is more perfect than the opposing air defense system, then such a volley density is no longer needed.
Create a destroyer based on 1155,1? If you mean the modernization of all available BPC 1155, then I am for - I like the boat. But if you build a new 1155, then this is pointless. Although Chabanenko was tortured in '99, at the core it is the same BPC of the 80s. The point is to build a morally obsolete ship, when we have a completely suitable frigate 22350, which can essentially all the same and in fact is a destroyer more powerful than Sarych?
In my opinion, you just need to bring to mind 22350, solve production problems in the power plant and Polenta and build a large batch. I repeat. From the fifth ship, if there is no major modernization, they will be built quickly enough and much cheaper. In my opinion, in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet there are pieces of 12 frigates of 22350 each. Well, Leaders are pieces of 3. Moreover, the lead leader will be built for at least 8-9 years, so we can only have 3 Leaders in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet in the mid-30s. But to build 20 pieces of 22350 frigates at two sites (Yantar and the Northern Shipyard) is possible even earlier.

[Serg65]

Quote: g1v2

Although Chabanenko was tortured in the 99 year, at the core it is the same BNC of 80's.

Well, yes, the ancestor of these buildings, like the 1164, was the 56 project.

Quote: g1v2

do we have a completely suitable frigate 22350, which can essentially all the same and in fact is a destroyer more powerful than Sarych?

Agree

Quote: g1v2

In my opinion on the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet it is necessary pieces on 12 frigates 22350. Well, Leaders - pieces on 3

Amicably, the leaders will be chased to the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, so 3 cannot be dispensed with in the Northern Fleet, and at the Pacific Fleet in Texas 12 + 3, and how many in Avacha Bay? And in Karsakova? In addition, do not deprive the BSF and BF, they also need frigates!
On frigates, I completely agree with you!

[g1v2]

I don’t think that frigates will build on the BF. The Danish Straits are controlled by NATO, which means in which case we will not go further than them. So the ships of the near sea zone such as the 2038x corvettes are quite enough there.
True, frigates are also needed at the Black Sea Fleet. To demonstrate the flag, fight against pirates and so on, patrolmen are building 22160 for it now. In the case of a serious mess through the straits, they will not let us in. But about 6 frigates will obviously not hurt there - after all, this is the most probable TVD for us. And the war not only with NATO may be. Well, for the World Cup itself, the same bunch of corvette 2038x-mrk-diesel. If anything, it will be quite realistic to take control of the World Cup and lock the straits.
Well, for the Pacific Fleet more than 12 frigates are unlikely to be built. And even then it will not be very soon. There, in the end, there are 3 more corvettes 20380 and both 20385 should be completed in the near future. Plus should be laid 6 Karakurt. 6 Varshavyanki ordered, of which 2 are under construction. Frigate - attack ship, corvette and MRK - defense. Until we restore the protective function of the fleet, everything else will be secondary.

[Serg65]

Quote: g1v2

True, frigates are also needed at the Black Sea Fleet. To demonstrate the flag, fight against pirates, etc.

As a veteran and fan of KChF I do not agree !!!
But seriously, the Black Sea Fleet of the 30 years before the demise of the USSR and already as the last 10 years was and is the base fleet for the 5 th OPESc and the modern Mediterranean squadron, well, the Black Sea straits have been the main task of the Black Sea Fleet at all times of its existence! Therefore, frigates are also needed there and not in the amount of 6 pieces! Yes, and the most interesting thing is that the auxiliary fleet must be restored to the Black Sea Fleet, otherwise there is no one to go to Tartus!
I was glad to talk

[g1v2]

Turkey, despite all our friendship now, is a NATO country. That is, in the event of a serious conflict, they will not stupidly let us out through the straits. That is, ships of the far sea zone we need there first of all in case of local conflicts or ensuring the constant operation of the fleet. In which case they will be locked in the ChM. It is possible to close the straits on our side in the event of a conflict with NATO by other means.
For the day-to-day operations of the fleet, patrol ships 22160 are being built - to demonstrate the flag, fight against pirates, campaigns in Tartus, etc. Do not forget that it was with the constant patrol of the Gulf of Aden that we killed the resource of the northern BPCs, which had to be driven into the Middle East because there was nothing more. PM 6 patrolmen 22160 will perform all these tasks much better and cheaper because they are imprisoned for them. And by the way, we were discussing with the guys here, the boat is very interesting. There is a suspicion that one of its main functions is the secretive casting of CCO groups deep behind enemy lines and the capture of ships at a great distance from their bases.
In my opinion, for local conflicts, 6 frigates 22350 plus 3 11356 are still enough. FM control issues can be addressed by saturation with corvettes and MRC.
That's about the auxiliary fleet I agree to 120 percent. And I always argue with intellectuals who shout - why do we need to build an auxiliary fleet, let's better get the mega-avian fleet. The auxiliary fleet is the basis of the fleet. At the Black Sea Fleet, due to the fact that Ukrainians forbade us to update not only ships, but also ships and even armored personnel carriers for marines, we had a mixture of ships from the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. I'm not talking about the Commune of 1913 built - this is the only one. It’s the whole region, of course, when we had to buy ships from the Turks in order to carry weapons for the war with them. In the same Salma, during the assault against the Syrians and our marines in 15, Turkish special forces stupidly stood without insignia.
Of the four average scouts in the 2 - 70s. GUGI is a little better.
Of the tankers, one is generally 42 years old. In general build and build. There is no doubt about it. And it’s worth noting. That the warship becomes obsolete fast enough. Auxiliary vessels are built for a much longer period.

[NordUral]

Who will answer me clearly, but why do we need this distant ocean zone?

[san4es]

Quote: NordUral

... why do we need this distant ocean zone?

... Russia has interests in Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia

[Omskgasmyas]

Fortunately, the Storm (and the Leaders) will not be built in the coming years. The budget is not rubber, and there are more pressing topics, such as Husky with Poseidons.

[yehat]

what Husky, Medvedev said no money, but you hold on
even basic needs are cut, for example, the order of T50 and valves are reduced,
enchanting pension reform.

[Romka47]

Is it Americans think it is weaker than Harold ??

[Wiruz]

Harold, such an aircraft carrier. Generally a different type of ship

[Romka47]

I understand this, but his power is considered somehow. Then the most covered submarines, because they carry nuclear weapons

[Apollo]

The United States was clearly in a hurry to assess non-existent achievements in kind. It should be remembered that this is virtuality. Moreover, the appallingly low pace of construction does not add optimism that such ships will even appear in the Russian Navy in the foreseeable future. If our frigates have been building for 12 years, then for the destroyer, 2 presidential terms will certainly not be enough. This is more likely another utopia ..

[bk316]

The United States was clearly in a hurry to assess non-existent achievements in kind.

Well, they evaluate their non-existent achievements. This is the meaning of American propaganda.
Or are you a fan of double standards?

[NordUral]

This is not utopia, but disinformation, which is what “our” power has been doing for almost two decades of Putin's. There will be no "leaders" and many things will not be! Our country is not interested in this. They have long sold it in general. And now they are finishing off the remnants of the cheers-patriotic slogans of liberals dressed in patriots such as Zheleznyak or Yarovaya, and there’s nowhere to put stigmas on almost all of them.

[Rusj]

Wow, you’ve sold everything directly :) you yourself, whose will you be? Your power in Kyrgyzstan is a friend.

[nnz226]

The chicken is perched, the eggs are in the tail, and now they are selling chickens in the market !!! Before the construction of at least the first experimental destroyer (not to mention the series), as before Kiev cancer!

[bald]

Well, they bent something: "... up to 200 vertical launchers for various types of missiles" - So there will not be enough space, most likely 3 in 1 each.

[Turgon]

BLAH BLAH BLAH. That's when they will build it then, and we will be wild and shocked, but for now these are plans for the 22nd century after our era.

[bk316]

Caliber, dagger, zircon, s-500.
Why so weak? And where is overexposure and avant-garde?

[Wiruz]

Let's then also put Sarmat on the deck. And what? Idea....

[gukoyan]

... and put the Bastion in the stern)))

[yehat]

it would be necessary to stick a tower with 4x460mm guns, there is no more space on the deck, but there is still space left under the water!

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Wiruz

Let's then also put Sarmat on the deck. And what? Idea....

Why put it? We deliver!

[Romanenko]

Quote: "The United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world"
And they even pretended to be scared ..
And then they knocked over the statistics and calmed down - there is no money for it and will not be likely.
And plywood under glass, he is not afraid of anyone

[Apollo]

Quote: bk316

The United States was clearly in a hurry to assess non-existent achievements in kind.

Well, they evaluate their non-existent achievements. This is the meaning of American propaganda.

In order not to become a fool, do not become like someone else's stupidity.

[NordUral]

Why Americans carry this nonsense, in general, is understandable. Like ours, however. money from budgets and master. And we have all the lights and beautiful pictures.

[Alecsandr]

It will not be him. It will remain a project. There is no money in the economy. But you can get involved. You can also show it in cartoons

[gukoyan]

... well, duck bluffing not only in poker is a useful thing .. They use it in politics too)

[Apollo]

Quote: Alecsandr

It will not be him. It will remain a project. There is no money in the economy. But you can get involved. You can also show it in cartoons

So we kind of “have” an aircraft carrier called Storm. And since "such a dance has gone," you can probably brag about it.

[YarSer88]

will .... wait .... would survive.

[gromoboj]

The destroyer leader is great. Are the destroyers available?

[yehat]

a fleet of tugs is being built

[Curious]

Interestingly, when they announce the start of work on the project "Death Stars?" Something tells me that this could be the end of 2023 - the beginning of 2024.

[Radical]

Quote: WildFox72

And also we glued cardboard fittings of 100000 pieces and the Su-57 50000. The thrill of their power, American warrior!

[Alexey-74]

Let's hope that this project (layout) will be implemented.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

yes the most formidable layout

[1536]

Something like this layout is somehow not “future”, similar to the ships that descended from the slipways of Soviet shipyards back in the 50-60 years of the last century, only sheathed with siding. Perhaps this is all the matter, because it is "nanosiding"? At least in the drawings they fantasized, but, apparently, it is necessary for school graduates to gain 1000 points for the exam in order to learn how to fantasize after graduation. Or is 100 enough, and most importantly, to have a field for imagination?

[Normal ok]

In the United States called the Russian destroyer the most powerful ship in the world

VO reached the very top of the bottom. To be proud of a non-existent aircraft carrier ... this is not for you.

[senima56]

Rave!!! First, create a ship in iron, confirm it with the TTD, then call it "most-most"!

[Hadji Murat]

oh, I don’t believe something on the date of 2020 ... you have to plus it for at least 10-15 years, plus building and debugging all systems ... no sooner by 2050 to wait under favorable circumstances ...

[APASUS]

The United States called the most powerful ship, which is not there, why rejoice? It will only be laid down in the year 20, and the year it will go into operation at all incomprehensibly, reform is not our day!

[The Siberian barber]

Something, somewhere, wrong))
17000 tons - rather a cruiser
... and, for starters, let the frigates be planed, more, for, as we slowly build .. Yes, repair the old, without delay ..
And then sweat ..

[Curious]

Somehow they translated the article, by the way. The original is available at http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/70788.
The Project 23560E Shkval Class destroyer is expected to be commissioned in a fleet of at least twelve, with a relatively modest 10,000 ton displacement but with highly ambitious specifications far surpassing those of almost all existing warship designs.
In addition to the estimated displacement of 10000 tons, there are no other dimensions in the article. And the article is quite calm in its tone, a potential project is discussed and compared with existing Chinese, Japanese, and American. The meaning of the article is not so much about the destroyer, but about assessing the prospects of Russia to return to the number of great sea powers after the decline caused by the collapse of the USSR.

[petrol cutter]

Judging by the maket ... This is not a destroyer. This is the horseman of the apocalypse! .. I would even call him- "The fighter for the freedom of workers, comrade Lenin." The first building at least. I like that name.

[Old26]

Quote: Vladimir 5

When the enemy praises, then the wrong actions are beneficial to the potential enemy ... Here are 200 launchers on one of 17 tons. It is better to allocate 10 tons of full displacement, with all weapons, to 1500 ships - this is a squadron and force ... With incomparable price and efficiency ...

A squadron that cannot defend itself? Something similar to the MRC "Buyan-M" ....

Quote: RASKAT

Mixed in a heap, horses people and volleys of thousands of guns ........
Well, what C-500 would A-235 say. What daggers? The Land Dagger is Iskander, by the way. Poseidons, Relights, Petrels will also not doubt it.
In general, on paper we can’t draw such a thing, but we can build a spaceship out of plastic in general. Let's not fly in the clouds, but proceed from reality. No ship, nothing to discuss.

The list of weapons can be externally and good, but stupid and far-fetched

Quote: Proxima

If the grandmother has eggs - this is already grandfather, but if the 200-meter destroyer has 200 vertical rocket launchers, then this is a missile cruiser.

Now "gradation" in size and displacement is a thing of the past. It is almost impossible to separate the destroyer and the cruiser in terms of both displacement and the number of weapons.

Quote: shahor

Actually, the article discusses the Flurry, what does the Leader have to do with it?

A couple of years ago, this project was called "Flurry." It’s not clear now. Either "Leader" is the name of the project, or the name of research, which may not coincide

Quote: MPN

Quote: shahor

Actually, the article discusses the Flurry, what does the Leader have to do with it?

Read the article and compare by offers. We have the name "flurry" assigned to the torpedo. maybe it's their name. because the metal does not have it, they did not assign the official code, in their literature they designate it that way ... But the article is from there exactly ..., almost one to one.

It's unclear. As already mentioned, a couple of years ago this project was called "Flurry" (aircraft carrier - under the name "Storm"). Now they are talking about the R&D "Leader"

Quote: top_war_shit

we would have 10 of them all would shut up

Planned 8. But why such a monster? In principle, open sources say that in the foreign market class ships Destroyer, Cruiser and Aircraft Carrier not quoted. In the future, frigates, corvettes, submarines will be sold. Class ships DESTROYER, and even more so CRUISER or AIRCRAFT CARRIER - only for myself

Quote: bald

Well, they bent something: "... up to 200 vertical launchers for various types of missiles" - So there will not be enough space, most likely 3 in 1 each.

Differently.
• ONYX, CALIBER, ZIRCON will be located in 64 cells, grouped as 8x8
• SAM DB in 56 cells (14x4)
• SAM type REDUT in 16 cells (4x4)
Well 3 CANISTER-M 12 PACKAGE-NK (2x6)
Although there are other numbers. for example, what is reserved for missiles not 72 cells, but 128. While this is only a CONCEPT, it is still very early to speak. Until now, it seems that they still have not figured out which of the destroyers should be built. Gas turbine for 9-10 thousand tons, or nuclear, as they offer 18 thousand tons

Quote: gromoboj

The destroyer leader is great. Are the destroyers available?

For this blunder it is necessary to thank the translators. The destroyer "Leader" has become the leader of the destroyer

[Antares]

The destroyer leader created in Russia (project 23560) will receive the most powerful weapons in the world and will surpass almost all warships in its characteristics, writes Military Watch.

Military Watch article
http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/70788
But not there

The destroyer leader created in Russia (project 23560) will receive the most powerful weapons in the world and will surpass almost all warships in its characteristics.

It may not be easy to translate the phrase

Shkval Class ships are planned to enter service in the 2020s, at the same time as the new carriers, and the technologies they will field may well make them among the most capable vessels of their kind in the world.

Ships of this class are planned to be commissioned in the 2020s, along with new weapons and technologies that they will use, they may well make them one of the most capable ships of this kind in the world. (I'm not the best translator, since specialized English-geographical)
The article recognizes that if it is possible to build and arm everything with what they say, the Russian Federation will return the status of a sea power.

[Adimius38]

the layout on the table, by definition, cannot be powerful. Another chatter around a nonexistent ship. With such an economy and corruption as it is now in Russia, all that a country can do is build ships a little stronger than a rowing boat

[mojohed2012]

Nice to hear, BUT! This is very reminiscent of hat-making “A la Ukrainian media-government officials” about dreams of the Navy or modern weapons, or anything that does not exist in objective reality.
I think that we need such ships as air right now.
This was shown by the trump of Trump at a meeting with Putin.
If there were no foreplay about Daggers, vanguards and other things, successes in the fight against ISIS and others in Syria, etc., Trump's behavior would not be better than how he behaves with Europe.

[forsait]

Это они не нас хвалят, а пугают свой конгресс, чтобы побольше бабла отстегнул на строителство своего флот

[andrew42]

А ещё инженер Гарин установит на Лидере 2 гиперболоида, - носовой и кормовой. И первый в серии назовут "арЕзона", чтоб не по имени штата. А если серьезно, то бумага всё стерпит. Только вот нашему ВМФ пока совсем не до жиру. Что есть отражение состояния экономики.

[Reserve buildbat]

Что меня удивляет, рост размеров кораблей. Сто лет назад равны по водоизмещению этому эсминцу были бы 2 броненосца вместе взятых.

[Turist1996]

Тоннаж, сравнимый с крейсером серии 68-бис, вооружение - на уровне "Орлана".. А так то да - миноносец. Эскадренный.
Что курит тот, кто пишет заголовки к статьям - я даже не знаю..

[Kamaz]

500 лет назад чем отличался военный корабли от не военного только вооружением по внешнему виду они были одинаковые. Так зачем сейчас делать корабли что бы они были похожи на военные? Взяли любой корабль засунули туда 500 ракет, мощный радар и стреляйте по супостату до полного его протрезвления