Why Americans in Vietnam preferred Kalashnikov assault rifle

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Kalashnikov assault rifle became familiar weapons bad guys in video games and Hollywood blockbusters. However, American special forces also had the opportunity to use these reliable machines, writes resource War is boring.

Why Americans in Vietnam preferred Kalashnikov assault rifle




Initially, AK-47 automata were few in the Vietnamese army, they were considered prestigious weapons, because of their unpretentiousness and high reliability. Gradually, this opinion spread among the American soldiers, as quoted by the military historian Kevin Dockery.

Captured in the course of AK operations have become an important part of the arsenal of US special forces and marines. By the end of the Vietnam War, the Americans had refined their automata and made new cartridges for them.

The fact is that the special forces considered the M-16 rifles to be rather mediocre weapons - they were often jammed, and the maintenance of rifles was a real test for the fighters. In addition, when conducting special operations rifles could give the location of the military - a shot of them had a characteristic sound.

The most active users of the AK were the special forces from the “Command for rendering military assistance to Vietnam — the research and observation group” (MACV-SOG). They often carried out raids in the rear of the Viet Cong, attacked their convoys, organized sabotage. At the beginning of the 1970, American gunsmiths specially modified the AK for them, providing the assault rifles with modified sights and silencers.

After the war ended, a large batch of captured AK was sent to the United States. Some of them went to museums, another part was transferred to the bases of special forces for educational purposes.
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  1. +5
    24 July 2018 17: 15
    And especially manual pulimets .. (great luck was to get such a one) ..
    1. +5
      24 July 2018 17: 34
      Yeah .. "Pulimet" RPD was a find for them .. I used to shoot this gadget in the army myself. I save the word machine gun with an error, the system corrects me right away ..
      Quote: Mamont
      And especially manual pulimets .. (great luck was to get such a one) ..
      1. +15
        24 July 2018 17: 40
        Quote: 210ox
        Yeah .. "Pulimet" RPD was a godsend for them .. Sam used to shoot this gadget in the army ..
        Quote: Mamont
        And especially manual pulimets .. (great luck was to get such a one) ..

        This real story was in Vietnam .. US soldiers moved through the swamp in the jungle, found the corpse decaying and in a mud with a machine gun in the bones .. Some of them cleaned it of mud and worms, the shutter "Oh, rush machine!" and pressed the trigger .. A loud machine gun burst the silence of the jungle .. Everyone fell into a slush from surprise ..
        1. +3
          24 July 2018 18: 49
          man ... the whole world has armed (without sarcasm) it's like a bat. like reinforcement, like a picket fence ... where you pick it up, it works.
        2. Alf
          +1
          24 July 2018 19: 00
          There is a postscript-But I stand with an outstretched hand.
          1. 0
            25 July 2018 00: 14
            Quote: Alf
            But I stand with my hand outstretched.

            Habit is second nature. You can get used to sharing, but you can get used to receiving.
        3. 0
          24 July 2018 21: 11
          Quote: Mamont
          get it) ..
          This real story was in Vietnam .. US soldiers moved through the swamp in the jungle, found the corpse decaying and in a mud with a machine gun in the bones .. Some of them cleaned it of mud and worms, the shutter "Oh, rush machine!" and pressed the trigger .. A loud machine gun burst the silence of the jungle .. Everyone fell into a slush from surprise ..

          Better not yet come up
  2. +11
    24 July 2018 17: 19
    In addition to reliability, the problem of ammunition was removed. The SAS during deep casting also usually use the small arms of the enemy. I think so all the main special forces groups hi
  3. +13
    24 July 2018 17: 22
    Someone used trophy weapons, this news.
    You can google photos of our fighters in Afghanistan shod in Adidas sneakers and with oars in their hands.

    A much more interesting story is why the first emka wedged. Everything gathered there at once. And the refusal to chrome parts, and the use of gunpowder from the time of the fighting for Okinawa instead of the recommended ones, and the lack of accessories for cleaning. Effective managers if they appeared in the West earlier than ours, and they received bonuses for saving on all this. And poor fellow Johnny in the middle of the jungle turned out to be an inoperative rifle.
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      1. +1
        24 July 2018 19: 10
        no need-norms rifle. You must be able to handle.
        1. +1
          24 July 2018 21: 15
          Quote: Huumi
          no need-norms rifle. You must be able to handle.

          Kalash is practically without fail. No maintenance gentle
        2. SOF
          +3
          25 July 2018 06: 32
          Quote: Huumi
          no need-norms rifle. You must be able to handle

          ... her capriciousness for dirt is easily explained by the high precision of manufacturing parts - if I am not mistaken to the seventh quality ..... of course she loved cleanliness .....
          .... by the way, in direct proportion to the manufacturing accuracy was the accuracy of the hit ....
    2. +3
      24 July 2018 17: 34
      Quote: demiurg
      A much more interesting story is why the first emka wedged.

      By design, all AR-like devices are wedged even now. Especially in combat conditions. With heavy loads and unknown quality of gunpowder.
    3. +7
      24 July 2018 17: 59
      why the first emki wedged.

      They had the same problem as the German MP-43, which was similar in appearance to the German AK - too precise fitting of parts. It sounds strange ... Thin gaps quickly become clogged with dense dirt (a mixture of dust with gun oil) and begin to wedge. But at AK everything “hangs out”, but clogging with a gap in the dirt is practically impossible. smile
      1. +2
        24 July 2018 21: 27
        Quote: Barzha
        too precise fitting of parts.

        It’s not a matter of fitting .. The ak has a very powerful powder engine, which, moreover, has been moved beyond the limits of the trigger. In AR like rifles, the powder engine is weaker (reduces recoil) and the direction of recoil from it is on the same axis as the recoil from the bullet .. there is no barrel withdrawal effect like on ak, but it is located directly in the bolt. In addition, in the bullet a little narrower than the caliber of the barrel in rifling, so that part of the gas flies out in front of the bullet and cleans the barrel of “garbage”. In the AR, bullets are calibrated by rifling and enter them very tightly ... which of course increases accuracy and range, but without a prezik on the barrel it does not work.
        So that AK does not hang anything .., and when it hangs it goes to the scrap.
        1. 0
          24 July 2018 23: 05
          (In addition, the bullets in the bullet are slightly narrower than the caliber of the barrel in rifling, so some of the gas flies out in front of the bullet and cleans the barrel of “debris.” In the AR, bullets are calibrated in rifling and enter them very tightly ... which of course increases accuracy and range) - right? and where can I read or find out exactly about this?
          1. 0
            24 July 2018 23: 07
            Quote: aws4
            and where can I read or find out exactly about this?

            There are
            1. 0
              25 July 2018 00: 08
              what is there? video of an amateur who at the end dropped the phrase that we have more tolerances and at the same time didn’t confirm it with anything, not with paperwork .. but the fact that calibers are measured differently with us and I have known them for at least 25 years ... you can more specific give Old? Well, or a link at least for something ... if it does not bother you))))
              1. 0
                25 July 2018 00: 58
                Quote: aws4
                Can you give a more specific Old?

                I don’t even know how to help you .. / It is widely known that the diameter of the bullet cartridge 7.62X39..7.82 .. And the diameter of the barrel rifled 7.92 .. also not a secret. The NATO caliber is the bullet caliber of the barrel rifling. Tolerances there are much less than our ten ..
        2. +1
          25 July 2018 09: 13
          dvina71

          hi drinks Thanks for the detailed explanation.
    4. +2
      24 July 2018 18: 52
      Quote: demiurg
      Effective managers if they appeared in the West earlier than ours, and they received bonuses for saving on all this. And poor fellow Johnny in the middle of the jungle turned out to be an inoperative rifle.

      you come across such thoughts, and you understand that stupid ....
    5. +2
      24 July 2018 19: 01
      This Johnny is not at all sorry! Did someone call him in the jungle? So let him get a bayonet in the belly like in the "Platoon" of Stone!
      1. +4
        24 July 2018 19: 12
        no one called him, there was obligatory service, so the fact that he ended up there, he is innocent
        1. +2
          25 July 2018 01: 20
          How to understand your words?
          So he is innocent?
          The fascist near Moscow in 1941 was not guilty of the same - "was there compulsory service"?
          And killing an innocent is a felony. So everyone who smashed the fascist reptiles in World War II-criminals ....
          Kolya from Urengoy
          1. +2
            25 July 2018 06: 23
            Can you forgive me for reading? In the USA, at that time there was a service — whoever won’t go to prison. Therefore, firstly, all or almost all of the "mortals" at least sent there without their consent and no one asked you if you would like to or not .In Afghanistan who called us? -Amin's palace to shoot? about there populi burned yes to impose the socialist system? and in Czechoslovakia who let the tanks push people or do you think that all the places where America has stuck this holy place and there is death to the Amers and where do we poke on is everything right? What about proud Finland? And Kolya from Urengoy is waiting for you right now at home with cutlets and cabbage soup
    6. +2
      25 July 2018 10: 26
      There, and the cartridge was replaced and made changes to the rifle itself. It took several years.
      As a result, the M-16 became fully operational: its high accuracy, quiet shots, lack of recoil and flame from the barrel compensated for the flaws - misfires (but not jamming - they are not) and the exorbitant length of the weapon.
  4. +4
    24 July 2018 17: 25
    The standard in its class, it is in any country, and at any time the standard, what was the Kalashnikov assault rifle! !!
    1. +7
      24 July 2018 17: 39
      "Ode to the Kalashnikov assault rifle"
      [Zocalo Igor]
      My machine gun is known to God.
      Saved, in battles more than once.
      With me in any weather.
      Afghanistan, Vietnam, the Caucasus.
      And on unprecedented roads
      On different paths near the war.
      My machine was always there.
      Having sore back.
      My best friend, I groomed him.
      Shone like "cat's eggs."
      He never let me down
      And I did not see Christ.
      He is like a girl, beloved.
      They hugged him more than once
      I'm on a demobilization, darling.
      You are sad at the rushpark now.
      Here he came, I'll take it in my hands
      And kiss the trunk gently.
      Goodbye buddy, the most faithful
      You went through the whole war with me.
      Tear involuntary girlfriend.
      Runs out of the eyes treacherously.
      Your great merit
      That in those battles survived.
      1. +4
        24 July 2018 18: 57
        "Ode to the Kalashnikov assault rifle" in different ways ... brother cries when he listens. Afghan passed, ensign.
  5. +4
    24 July 2018 17: 31
    Here is such a real example of reliability and unpretentiousness AK.
    Description of an officer of the Rhodesian troops (white man) Alan James during the fighting in the 1970s in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe): Fighters ZAPU (Anti-Government Rebel Front) crossed the Zambezi River from Zambia. The battle began and many partisans were in the water with all the luggage. Part of them drowned, because they could not swim, part died. Six months later, his unit passed through this place in the dry season and the soldiers saw AK sticking out of the silt. Machine pulled out. The store in it was in place, the machine was charged, cocked into automatic fire. We took out the store, but could not free the breech. They tried to knock him out, beat him, beat him, but the cartridge sat down tightly. Then they inserted the store, pressed the trigger and safely fired all 30 rounds.
    1. +1
      24 July 2018 19: 18
      what to say .. [media = http: //www.masterofmusic.ru/gues
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      L2tzb3NwcHczMjNfMDUzLmpwZw ==]
      1. 0
        24 July 2018 19: 21
        the site is buggy. I’ll try ... [media = http: //www.masterofmusic.ru/gue
        st/prox.php?q=aHR0cDovL3Z3cC5zdS9waWMvMDJpbWdfc2V
        0L2tzb3NwcHczMjNfMDQ2LmpwZw ==] a classmate served in Ecuador, there Kalash as a member (in a good way) (yes in any ....) respected, the dust blew, it works, the cartridges in any store ... the movie was on TV, it seems .. ..
  6. +2
    24 July 2018 17: 33
    Another factor ... is the caliber ... The M-16 ... has a five ... and a bullet ricocheted from any obstacle ... And a seven AK punched for example tree trunks ... Often it was decisive ...
    1. +11
      24 July 2018 17: 45
      Did you shoot in the army? We have so generally cartridge 5.45. Probably from the air ricochet ...
      You probably looked like one of the issues of “Military Affairs”, where the local “expert” stated that 5.56 would ricochet off the leaves. laughing
      Do not ricochet, but does not leave neat holes, as a more powerful cartridge. Plus a more bullet trajectory and a higher speed.
    2. +1
      24 July 2018 19: 30
      Quote: Vard
      Another factor ... is the caliber ... The M-16 ... has a five ... and a bullet ricocheted from any obstacle ... And a seven AK punched for example tree trunks ... Often it was decisive ...

      got into the transition, and immediately realized 545 threshing floor. native 762 was super mowed wood. and from this “Whack” alone, I understand the American “Rambo” I myself would in any situation, with AK would be better ...
      1. +2
        24 July 2018 23: 11
        But what does it mean to get into the transition? and can you read more about how 7.62 mowed a tree? it’s very interesting to listen .. there’s a kaleidoscope of amazing stories laughing
        1. +3
          25 July 2018 02: 01
          This is from the series “Kalash punches the rail” ..... Yeah ... in length .... and the bayonet with a knife shreds like a sausage ..
          1. +2
            25 July 2018 04: 27
            Quote: tracer
            This is from the Kalash series.

            You are our sniper ... They proved that punches the rail R-65 cartridge 7N23. On your beloved Hansa.
            1. 0
              27 July 2018 03: 51
              1 cartridge was adopted in the zero and the myth is already 50 years old ... 2 is an armor-piercing special cartridge 3 link to video or material please
    3. +1
      25 July 2018 10: 29
      Ricochet from light obstacles were at the bullets from the very first issues of the rifle. This flaw turned out to be the easiest to fix.
      1. +1
        26 July 2018 02: 44
        He witnessed a kind of duel .... When at first there was a line from the M-16 through the hut wall ... Ricochet ... Then AK ... There was no ricochet ...
  7. +4
    24 July 2018 17: 40
    Well, actually, then American special-ops preferred such babes as XM177.
    Today, special-ops uses SCAR under 7.62. Even often take SCAR-L instead of mods M4.
    1. +1
      25 July 2018 10: 31
      Our landing brigade stubbornly refuses to go to Tavor, as the whole army did, brigade after brigade.
      And stayed with the M4.
      1. +1
        25 July 2018 12: 06
        I heard that the Taubors give new recruits, and the old men prefer the M4.
  8. +4
    24 July 2018 17: 40
    Quote: Black
    Why Americans in Vietnam preferred Kalashnikov assault rifle
    The answer, in my opinion, is obvious, because their M-16 is completely shit compared to Kalash.




    Even if you search, you can find photos and videos with more recent M16A4
    1. +5
      24 July 2018 17: 49
      Quote: demiurg
      ... you can find photos and videos with more recent M16A4

      ... Already a fighter resembles a Russian paratrooper. ... Afghan?
      1. +5
        24 July 2018 18: 02
        Of course. Well, his face ... Ryazan to the impossibility.
        Just in the mountains of Afghanistan emka is preferable. Persistence and aiming range are better, the cartridge is more powerful. And there are few bogs and dirt in the mountains.
        1. +3
          24 July 2018 18: 15
          Quote: demiurg
          Just in the mountains of Afghanistan emka is preferable. Persistence and aiming range are better, the cartridge is more powerful. And there are few bogs and dirt in the mountains.

          But in Afghanistan there is a lot of dust (a very moody machine) and servicing such equipment is problematic
          1. +9
            24 July 2018 18: 39
            They studied studying, especially in special forces, especially mines, but they didn’t use small arms in combat, why when did they have AKM, and AK dummies and Boers mostly used it, and this photo was for force, they were all boys.
            1. +4
              24 July 2018 20: 51
              I completely agree. The photo is to the homeland. We could carry it with us for some time, like on one operation "thickly", on another implementation / intelligence / - "empty." We got such a fool upon arrival, surrendered, and not a single political commander would bite the brain that there was no result ...
              He himself shot it - finally bullshit. Here Colt 1911 is remembered, better than Makar.
          2. +1
            25 July 2018 10: 35
            Dust on the M-16 is not affected. We drove jeeps in dust clubs. They were gray from head to toe, like elephants.
            But the guns worked. But from falls in the winter mud M-16 was very safe.
            1. 0
              25 July 2018 17: 35
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Dust on the M-16 is not affected. We drove jeeps in dust clubs. They were gray from head to toe, like elephants.
              But the guns worked. But from falls in the winter mud M-16 was very safe.

              With me, one cool GI shot at targets under ideal conditions. I don’t remember exactly what jammed the M-16 for a 2-3 shot, then for a long time I tried to explain something, but I really didn’t understand. That's about dust and everything else, I'm even afraid to assume
    2. +3
      24 July 2018 19: 46
      Even if you search, you can find photos and videos with more recent M16A4


      He held in his hands, happened. Immediately ugly and ugly seemed. Well, and the photo is about nothing. Often fotkali with trophies for "show off". Cartridges still count, and even the shaggy 33rd happened. And it pounds so that if it is in the trunk, then the leaves fall off the tree. .
    3. +1
      26 July 2018 02: 29
      Quote: demiurg
      Even if you search, you can find photos and videos with more recent M16A4

      I have pictures with the BUR, with Czech machine guns, Chinese launchers (NURSs), with the DShK, and even with all this garbage. This does not mean that I went with them and used. Just a guy and colleagues took a caravan, a base, or just valnuyu comrade and took a picture. And 7,62 Kalash was loved, PBBS clung to it, plus ammunition can be replenished by comrades, plus 7,62 there are Chinese explosive bullets, they were constantly fired by Bedouins. In general, comfort shoot with 5,45.
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  9. +3
    24 July 2018 17: 48
    When he took his AKM in the army, shot it out, realized how convenient and reliable it was. A bit heavy of course. Spent 4 months with him on guard. Often went to the shooting range, albeit the airmen. Probably will remain relevant for a long time as a simple and reliable weapon.
    1. +1
      24 July 2018 19: 16
      That also happens....
  10. +1
    24 July 2018 17: 49
    No wonder. At that time, the M16 was a frankly crude design.
    Besides. In the short fight in the jungle, all the advantages of the M16 were reduced to zero.
  11. BAI
    +4
    24 July 2018 17: 51
    AK on the arms of 5 countries is depicted. The rest did not even lie nearby.
    1. +1
      24 July 2018 21: 22
      Quote: BAI
      AK on the arms of 5 countries is depicted. The rest did not even lie nearby.

      The rest are not "photogenic" laughing
  12. +4
    24 July 2018 18: 09
    And I urgently served in the air defense with the SKS, also an excellent weapon, knocked out 29 of 30 during firing, and gave 2 rounds of fire 3 times a year. I heard from the officers that in Vietnam the best American snipers were awarded with SCS.
    1. +3
      24 July 2018 19: 28
      These are your fantasies, they were forbidden to use weapons of the USSR !!! am
  13. tol
    +3
    24 July 2018 18: 12
    Forgot the most important thing Modified in the United States AK and PPKS captured during the Vietnam War. Photo: US Army
  14. +4
    24 July 2018 18: 25
    As I always thought, Kalashnikov is very popular because the USSR gave it to many countries for free, as well as the Kalashnikov assault rifle is produced by everyone. If it was the best machine gun, they would be armed with all the countries of the world. Fighting with trophy weapons is the norm, ours, too, fled with the MP 38-40 and exchanged the squalid gun for normal German pistols.
    1. +2
      24 July 2018 19: 18
      I heard about rifles, but not about pistols, maybe for a collection laughing
    2. +1
      24 July 2018 21: 23
      Quote: Yak28
      as well as the Kalashnikov assault rifle is produced by all and sundry

      The quality only was not very. And resource
    3. +5
      24 July 2018 21: 50
      Have you ever held this very "wretched Nagan" in your hands? Or judge only by modern cinema? In my opinion, a more reliable revolver simply does not exist. Always charged, always ready for battle. Always shoot. But Walter with a cartridge in the chamber to wear ... This is a lottery. I am generally silent for Luger. Well, I did not count on the 3rd Reich for a major war. Vokhrovites doshi with revolvers rehearsed under the rubber band go, and do not complain.
      1. +1
        25 July 2018 02: 51
        It is comfortable to wear but not shoot. Don’t “make” people’s head, he perkstil correspond to modern models of pistols of that time already by the middle of the early 30s.
        1. +2
          25 July 2018 03: 58
          Quote: tracer
          Do not make people’s head

          Comrade super shooter, what about moral and technical obsolescence, he stopped shooting? From it it was impossible to kill? So there are such Nagans:
          In a modern way, and they have a bunch of cool. The shooter forgot about them.
          1. +2
            25 July 2018 11: 41
            Quote: Timeout
            Quote: tracer
            Do not make people’s head

            Comrade super shooter, what about moral and technical obsolescence, he stopped shooting? From it it was impossible to kill? So there are such Nagans:
            In a modern way, and they have a bunch of cool. The shooter forgot about them.

            hi Comrade Timeout! With all due respect, in the photo you presented, the revised revolvers of the system of E.L. Khaidurov are not re-mounted, but 7,62 mm (created largely on the principles of the Naganov design, but not the Nagan, there is no self-cocking, the descent was initially made adjustable, like sights, a drum with a capacity of 6 rounds and the “V-1” sporting cartridges used in them, although they have a common cartridge case with Nagan’s live ammunition, the bullets in them are different, the “V-1 has no shell” “wadcutter”, cutting down perfectly round holes in the target, clearly interpreted by the judges!) - at the top of the TOZ-36 under the “V-1” cartridge, and the bottom, its “clone” -TOZ-42, under the Smithsson revpatron.
            These revolvers are more delicate and not as reliable in operation as the combat Nagans, the TOZ-36 had to constantly monitor, when cocking the trigger, the drum roll, because of this, delays in high-speed shooting occasionally occurred. And the “improved”, without author supervision, Tozov’s “clone” -TOZ-42 also had a tendency to not return the drum from a combat situation (which Yefim Leontyevich Khaidurov himself explained by the ill-conceived simplification of the USM made by the Tula “rationalizers”!)!
            From the shot and well-adjusted TOZ-36, with good cartridges of one batch, it was not difficult for me to get offhand at a distance of 25 m, and even 50 meters if there was a "courage". smile And if he wanted to have a weapon at home just for the Soul, it would be only TOZ-36!
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 20: 15
              Quote: pishchak
              not overfilled "Nagans"

              Greetings! I did not claim that this is a reincarnated "Nagan". Just by the standards of the Tracer, army weapons should put a bullet in a bullet and have the appearance of an alien blaster. Since this comrade was caught more than once on deception and the usual ignorance of certain moments, we can attribute him to the army of epic sofa wars. And about cartridges, that Nagan, that TOZ-36 quietly consumes any 7,62 cartridges, the main thing is that there should be along the length of the drum.
              Quote: pishchak
              and the bottom, his "clone" -TOZ-42

              Correct a little, TOZ-49.
              And so excellent target revolvers. 49 are very respected abroad. Since also eats everything. Sincerely.
      2. 0
        25 July 2018 17: 53
        I held in my hands a miserable, cold-loaded gun. In the first, the revolvers were all fail-safe, not only the gun. In the second, the gun was inconvenient and long to reload, one cartridge each, pulling one cartridge each. All revolvers of those years that broke in half or had a drum that reclined to the side , significantly superior to the gun in terms of speed and ease of reloading. In the third, the gun had an uncomfortable and far from the most powerful cartridge. As a result, the gun was dumped.
  15. +4
    24 July 2018 18: 37
    The topic of the article is such an opus:

    [quote] Very often among Internet experts there is a dispute over which country produced the best Kalashnikov assault rifles. The first place is traditionally occupied by Soviet and Russian-made machines, but there is no further consensus.
    - Bulgarian! - shouts a schoolboy who has come off his homework on algebra. - German! - says an outstanding expert who did not hold anything except the airsoft AK in his hands. - Romanian! My friend lives in the USA, he told me, there they are most valued! - the expert on small arms answers, having gained experience in counter-strike. The discussion continues endlessly, without any particular intelligible arguments.





    [quote] But the answer to the question "what is the best" I did not find out, and I hardly ever know. To do this, you need to take a dozen machines of each state-producer (and there are more than 20) and fully and comprehensively test it. It is expensive, long and few people need it. [/ Quote]


    Personally, I don’t know - I didn’t shoot. But apparently a very simple and reliable contraption. If the floor of the world uses it, then this is what it says.
    1. +9
      24 July 2018 19: 14
      And he can shoot ....
      1. +6
        24 July 2018 19: 18
        And he can shoot ....


        Yes Yes.
    2. 0
      25 July 2018 08: 01
      Look on the net ... checking for the trunk ... Our lead with a very large margin ...
  16. +1
    24 July 2018 18: 50
    Reliability she and in Vietnam reliability. Especially when it is not always possible to properly monitor weapons.
  17. +3
    24 July 2018 19: 04
    Because Russian weapons are better! !!
  18. +8
    24 July 2018 19: 12
    I heard the original version of why now Americans prefer Kalashnikov.
    Because it is not good if the examination finds in a civilian bullet fired from its machine gun. And Kalashnikov, in which case you can throw away and the unknown terrorist will be to blame.
    1. +1
      24 July 2018 21: 26
      Quote: Lightning
      And Kalashnikov, in which case you can throw away and the unknown terrorist will be to blame.

      The terrorist will be Russian. Hiley Likely
  19. +4
    24 July 2018 19: 17
    I'm an unknown soldier
    Alas, you will meet me everywhere
    In a field where metal was crumpled
    where the chance of survival was impossible
    In the crucible of the bridgehead thrown mediocre
    Where quick death took thankfully
    Burned in an airplane and melted in a tank
    And the remains were dissolved in the ashes.
    I was drawn to the swamp by the motor
    And in a place with armor it twisted and bent
    A direct hit in the dust carried
    I was mowing like a machine gun.
    I was not lucky, maybe the commander
    And a mine hit in the chest at the end
    In a boat underwater depth bomb
    I was crushed in a sea of ​​bottomless
    And no one will know where in the water column
    Propellers plunged into the sand
    Death token fill a bad tone
    It seemed to be in time, I thought everything later
    But today in an attack on an enemy pillbox
    I was treated with a splinter in my stomach.
    Choking on the stink of German toll
    I realized that I should see more at home
    I realized that I can’t see my mother
    I don’t hug either wife or children
    unknown soldier- not missing
    this name is not there, and the body is in place
    and if there is no body and no news
    there are no pensions for relatives or rations from the authorities.

    For us, people's memory is one name
    Unknown - he lies under the eternal flame
    One name for all. those who perished in battle
    Roll call without a name in our ranks.


    Unknown let name- immortal deeds
    And not all the orderlies gathered the bodies
    Let it go missing
    When back fell
    In a huge war, vanishingly small
    Head west, remember me
    and no one knows where my grave is.
    1. +4
      24 July 2018 21: 40
      hi Thank you for the good, very realistic, rhyming scripture, Comrade Huumi! Everything about him is true!
      God willing, the Nazi Moloch will fall and a common grave of the Heroes of 1941 will be found, which the Soviet authorities never looked for or asked. Perhaps the heroic deed of the Hero-Front Scout from 1943 will also become widely known, and his charred bones will be carefully taken out from under the roots of a conspicuous pear, where they, stolen from under the noses of Hitler’s savages, were buried with a prayer fitting for a warrior the same night my great-grandfather, one of the forgotten Heroes of the First World War ... I hope to live up to this bright time.
      Sincerely.
      1. +3
        24 July 2018 22: 07
        Thank you for such words — I already sent your message to my brother why he is incredibly happy ...- the brother wrote a verse recently — one of many on the subject of war — for this verse, real witnesses of those events (mine in the chest) were taken as the basis for it in the back of the soldier that was crawling to the trench — it stuck in and did not explode — its bright yellow plumage was visible. dragged a soldier wounded into the trench .... German! etc. poems I began to lay out, little by little, in different articles of this resource ... while there are few answers and pluses, but they still exist ...
        1. +3
          24 July 2018 22: 43
          Quote: Huumi
          Thank you for such words — I already sent your message to my brother why he is incredibly happy ...- the brother wrote a verse recently — one of many on the subject of war — for this verse, real witnesses of those events (mine in the chest) were taken as the basis for it in the back of the soldier that was crawling to the trench — it stuck in and did not explode — its bright yellow plumage was visible. dragged a soldier wounded into the trench .... German! etc. poems I began to lay out, little by little, in different articles of this resource ... while there are few answers and pluses, but they still exist ...

          hi So this was your brother’s poems ?! And I’m thinking where recently I read in the comments on VO the same simple, but taking for the Soul, rough (but let your brother not be shy, everything will be sanded again, come with experience! Let him write, don’t give up in any case, but You, on occasion, be sure to lay out - on the Internet, nothing disappears, somewhere, yes, it will show up and find its reader!) Rhymed strings.
          Today I’m gone, I’m tired after a hard day, but tomorrow I’ll look in your profile and put pluses on your brother’s poems where, maybe, I didn’t put them in the course of reading. Although, I would not be so obsessed with the "pros" smile , and then also tan, lower your hands if there are few of them or there will be negative reviews ?!
          After all, there are so many people, so many opinions, and Piita should have an inner feeling of her highest Righteousness by the Word to exalt someone’s Feat, otherwise you shouldn’t take up the Word, many who later became world famous, Writers and Poets remained unrecognized for a long time and Created from this need, coming from the Heart and the Soul, to express, contrary to all prohibitions and negligence, the painful and far-fetched, burning their Soul, through prose or poetry!
          Creative success, Author's courage and Vitality to you and your brother (The spark of God is felt in its lines!)!
          Sincerely.
          1. +2
            24 July 2018 23: 07
            Thank you! -Plus just means that someone read them and don’t know whether anyone read them or not ... I will continue to spread poetry here on behalf of my brother, we can appreciate the people ... We will be brother-write And I will spread . Of course, this is done with his approval ... We can only say that these are working materials and may change for several more years ...
            Sincerely ...
  20. +3
    24 July 2018 21: 59
    [quote = shubin] And I served urgently in the air defense with the SCS, also an excellent weapon, I shot out 29 out of 30 at the shooting, and 2 rounds were given to shoot 3 times a year. I heard from the officers that in Vietnam the best American snipers were awarded SKSs. [
    ----------- From my practice. When the SCS fell, hitting the butt with concrete, it crumbled into small parts. They crawled in the dark and collected details. This weapon is not for battle!
  21. +1
    24 July 2018 22: 08
    This is the topic for discussion)) An assault rifle copied from the first serial, mass-used (if you can call it that) carbine (assault rifles of those times, shot with pistol bullets) that appeared since the Second World War .. It’s actually an iron! All its quality and reliability are determined by the rudeness and technical capabilities of the time. In his own way, he is good! But each weapon has its own charms. Speaking of a long-standing dispute over whether the AK-47 (AKM) breaks the rail! Even SVD! Armor-piercing does not penetrate! But the ancient M1 Garand breaks.

    PS Essentially the article. The so-called best weapon of the century, from what was created back in the USSR (in the Russian Federation, in fact, it is modified at best), I think SCS! Not just that, this weapon is still used in the Russian Federation! What, without directly significant changes and, in the same caliber! With skillful use, "shoot" any AK!
    1. +1
      25 July 2018 01: 52
      Fully agree with you.
      AK is better suited to the “right war”, but in the guerrilla warfare (still in the jungle) the best small arms are SCS. It hits further, more precisely and, most importantly - single shots do not give out the location of the shooter.
      That is why during the war with the Americans, the main type of small arms soldier of our regular army was the AK, but the self-defense units (in the North) and partisans (in the South) were armed mainly with SCS (in each compartment, 10-12 people were only 2-3 pcs. AK, all the rest - SCS).
    2. +3
      25 July 2018 02: 25
      Dear GibSoN, I congratulate you and I hasten to announce the news that will be your discovery. - you do not understand anything in army weapons !!! your knowledge is not just superficial but initially incorrect !!! and just in case, shoot at least for a start from all this ... and now for the general development I will tell you a secret from personal experience since I shot from everything that you listed except for M1 Garand .. AK shoots Soviet releases in caliber 5.45 (as you put it) SCS.!
      AK74 surpasses SKS in accuracy and trajectory persistence .. yes SCS automation works more smoothly, yes the sighting line is slightly longer but even this does not give an advantage over the 5.45X39 cartridge
      1. 0
        25 July 2018 16: 10
        Dear aws4, I sincerely do not understand what exactly hurt you so much in my message)). I just wrote my personal opinion, never claiming to be expert. At the same time, I never once hinted that I am an expert. These are just personal impressions of the weapon. I also did not shoot with M1)) But with AK 7.62 and 5.45 as well as SCS shot. Moreover. For almost 7 years I worked at the enterprise (two days) and went on guard with SCS. How he brushes, shoots, etc., I know not by hearsay. And yes. I did not compare flatness and accuracy anywhere .. Although regarding accuracy, there are doubts about your version. In any case, not at all distances. But regarding personal feelings, I can definitely say that, for example, with SCS, I’ll make a few quick shots more accurately than with AK. If everything was so excellent with the AK-5.45, no one would have kept the AK-7.62 in the "arsenal". In addition, the main diseases of AK-7.62 in relation to AK-5.45, as far as I have heard from SCS are absent. Something like this.
    3. +2
      25 July 2018 07: 02
      Quote: GibSoN
      Here is a topic that is up for discussion)) Machine copied

      Hmm ... "This song will be eternal."
    4. 0
      25 July 2018 10: 20
      Well, well. And tell me, dear. Man, about servicing SCS-cleaning, assembling / disassembling at night, and all this, on your knee. ''
  22. +2
    25 July 2018 09: 04
    Again a lie.
    The author replaces the modified weapon for special operations with "Americans in Vietnam preferred a Kalashnikov assault rifle"

    also lied about Iraq, they say "threw ???" they took their service weapons at the post and in the Kalash operation. Almost all.
  23. +2
    25 July 2018 18: 25
    Quote: Huumi
    no need-norms rifle. You must be able to handle.

    Here: Missis M16, you’ll have to shoot in bursts today and I won’t be able to clean you up after each shot. "And at Kalash, if the shutter sticks, with the help of some kind of mother and crowbar. As in a joke. And try so with M16 to turn in. She will curse you to the third knee
  24. 0
    25 July 2018 18: 39
    Quote: VeteranVSSSR
    Well, well. And tell me, dear. Man, about servicing SCS-cleaning, assembling / disassembling at night, and all this, on your knee. ''

    I did not hold the SCS in my hands, but I held and dismantled the AK in my hands, but I could not speed

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