Destroyed by the "Package": ships of the Pacific Fleet in the Sea of ​​Japan tracked down the "enemy" submarine

On Tuesday Pacific ships fleet conducted a drill in the Sea of ​​Japan to detect and destroy a submarine of a conditional enemy, reports press office Eastern District.

The training was conducted in accordance with the combat training plan within the framework of the course task K-2 (the action of a single ship). The corvette “Perfect” and the destroyer “Fast” were involved in it.

Acting in the adjacent marine polygons, the ships completed the tasks of searching for and destroying the “enemy” submarine, the role of which was fulfilled by one of the submarines of the Pacific Fleet. For search activities were used deck helicopters Ka-27PL.

It is reported that the corvette “Perfect”, after performing the necessary set of measures for searching, classifying and tracking the submarine, used the small modern anti-submarine complex “Package” for its conditional destruction.

In turn, the destroyer destroyer used anti-submarine rocket bombs to destroy the "enemy" submarine.

Upon completion of the exercise, both ships set off for a general training of the parade dedicated to the Day of the Navy of Russia, which will be held in the Amur Bay on this Sunday (July 29).

Comments

[Skay]

The amateurish question: do our submarines look very much like enemy ones?

[Vladivostok1969]

Yes, also black and wet

[MPN]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Yes, also black and wet

They have different firmware, such as a different language pack ...

[novel66]

gurgling in english? Hi

[MPN]

Hi Roma! Depends on the firmware, maybe in Japanese and Turkish ...

[Skay]

Also black and wet

I meant stealth-detectability.

[Faceless]

In any case, one of the best in the world according to these indicators.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Skay

The amateurish question: do our submarines look very much like enemy ones?

question to the Dear "Boa Kaa", Sasha, tell me. ? FOR EVERYONE, glad you ...

[Romka47]

I read and also asked this question, one thing is to look for something familiar, and the other thing is Virginia. Nevertheless, it is necessary to train as it should, but how if it is not so?

[san4es]

... used for its conditional destruction a small-sized modern anti-submarine complex "Package".

... The Package-E / NK complex is capable of combating both torpedoes and enemy submarines. To destroy enemy submarines, it includes the MTT small-sized thermal torpedo, also known as the “Baby”.

[bouncyhunter]

Sanya, hi! While I was thinking of speaking in your place, you yourself are right there!

[san4es]

Hi Pash!

Quote: bouncyhunter

While I thought to speak in your place.

... I look, not anyone. ... TTX posted.
... There is video left. if anything.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: san4es

..There is a video left. if that .: wink:

The hint understood.

[san4es]

Quote: bouncyhunter

... the hint understood.

... no, not that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKx-tpzJx9A

[bouncyhunter]

Sasha, so the video is enough - go guess what you meant?

[san4es]

Quote: bouncyhunter

... guess what you mean?

... Well, of course it is advisable to look through the options

[Andrey Yuryevich]

any video about the Fleet is always pleasing, I want more, I want destroyers (relatives are 956) but I read the Schon "glonas" in the minibus, and spat out the satellites if I could ...)) and BOD, I want it, scary APRKs, and everything else ... and in general ... but palaces, yachts ... a fleet indicator. it pains me so much that they have been building SKRs for so long ... although they are riveting for sale, when their cruisers in the ocean will swear in Russian ... (in the heat, boatswain, all sorts of garbage, but not "materiel". there should be all perfect.

[novel66]

Sanya, great and not enough 70 kil?

[san4es]

Quote: novel xnumx

... and not a little 70 kilos?

Hi Rum ... They know better

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: novel xnumx

and not enough 70 kil?

The fact is that the Package is actually not an anti-submarine, but an anti-torpedo complex, and as such it seems to be quite good. Against the submarine can be used on occasion ... well, for example, the crew of the submarine and the corvette walked to death, wake up from the deepest hangover, and find that the corvette is exactly above the submarine. Then - yes, you can bang

[novel66]

the crew of the submarine and corvette walked to death, wake up from the deepest hangover

and what happens in the navy?

[Serg65]

Roma, if it happens in aviation, then what is the fleet worse?

[novel66]

It is understood that the mess is only in aviation

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Against the submarine can be used on occasion ... well, for example, the crew of the submarine and the corvette walked to death, wake up from the deepest hangover, and find that the corvette is exactly above the submarine. Then - yes, you can bang

standard circuit in ...

[tlauicol]

Antisubmarine complex Poster

[Brylevsky]

In turn, the destroyer destroyer used anti-submarine rocket bombs to destroy the "enemy" submarine.

Comrades, not a single enemy submarine will let our destroyer reach the distance of the use of deep-level rocket bombs, I’m telling you like a former anti-submarine. She, naturally, will drown him long before the moment when the acoustics of the destroyer detect and classify the contact. So do not believe this “tops” about the destruction of the boat with the help of the RSL ... not those times, unfortunately ... it was really possible to do this in the early 60's, but not now. Submariners have always been and will be at least one step ahead of anti-submariners. Our guys got another "credit" for combat training, everything is OK. Once this was all ... in 1905 and 1941, then on New Year's Eve in Grozny ... Lord, how sick of all this "window dressing" and the fact ascribing ... In short, in a duel situation, the destroyer is over. One hope for RBU-1000 and Magnetite, as anti-torpedo protection.

[ANCIENT]

I was more amazed by another - the presence on the Pacific Fleet of a destroyer capable of going to sea !!!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ANCIENT

I was more amazed by another - the presence on the Pacific Fleet of a destroyer capable of going to sea !!!

save the 956 project, for the Last Exit, and in the Baltic and Pacific Fleet. there’s a penny, and there’s a penny ....

[ANCIENT]

Yurievich the remnants of the former might of the Soviet fleet !!!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ANCIENT

Yurievich the remnants of the former might of the Soviet fleet !!!

Yes sir.

[Gargantua]

There was news that the destroyer Bystry (CTOF) is limited in combat capability. Admiral Ushakov (SF), although it sometimes goes to sea, but its combat effectiveness is close to zero, and the Persistent in the Baltic is already dead.

[Wedmak]

But what about the fact that the modern anti-submarine has a plus in speed, an active GAS / SAC, often a turntable in the air and dozens of RSL in stock? And to be honest, it’s unlikely that the destroyer alone will look for submarines, there will be a whole outfit of forces - several ships, submarines, aircraft. So there is another question - who is who.

[Brylevsky]

You are right, the KPUG — a ship search and strike group — must look for the boat. And anti-submarine aircraft and helicopters should provide it with their sonar buoys, magnetometers and low-altitude missile systems; and one ship should be "suggestive" and the other - "attacking"; and firing should be carried out without fail with "full preparation", in extreme cases, with "shortened" ... So it was conceived and it was so before the collapse of the USSR. But I was talking about a duel situation. One on one. Is it possible? Yes, in the domestic fleet this is possible, unfortunately ... And the outcome of this fight will be unambiguous: our “Udaloy” BOD will go to the bottom together with the crew even before its BIUS classifies the contact ... When I was still a cadet, none of the teaching officers perceived the RBU-6000 and 1000 installations as a serious anti-submarine weapon. Their real tactical niche is anti-torpedo protection. Trying to attack a boat from an RBU installation is a suicidal attempt to attack a sniper from an SVD with a Makarov pistol at a distance of about 500 meters. Just because the “sniper” will put an end to this duel when he wants it.

[Wedmak]

I agree, to attack an invisible enemy, this is suicide. But on the other hand, the ship can and will defend itself from a torpedo attack, there are enough funds. A launch of a torpedo will necessarily give out the location of the submarine, or at least the azimuth to it. And then she had a choice - either to go deeper and lie low, in the hope that an active ASG would not get her, or to attack with torpedoes and rockets again and again, dodging deep torpedoes and bombs, because the ship would approach the RBU application distance faster than the submarines would dump from the launch site.
The main weapon of the submarine is secrecy, you understand. And the submarine commander, you need to think about this three times before attacking a single surface ship. The sniper also knows that he has 1, a maximum of 2 shots, before he is covered with mortars, artillery or another sniper calculates.
So I would say that not everything is so simple.

When I was still a cadet, none of the teaching officers perceived the RBU-6000 and 1000 installations as a serious anti-submarine weapon

Nobody used them in combat conditions. Maybe that's why they doubted it. For example, Shilka was also perceived only as anti-aircraft guns, but how in Afghanistan did they crumble spirits?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Denis, with all due respect, as they say, but the speed of modern boats is such that the azimuth will not help. While the torpedo is noisy, the boat will leave, go catch up ...

[Wedmak]

but the speed of modern boats is such that the azimuth will not help. while the torpedo is noisy, the boat will leave, go catch up ...

I dare not agree. That's right, modern submarines develop speed in 30-35 nodes. But this is the maximum at which the submarine makes noise like a herd of bison. Tracking it and / or directing aviation in this situation is quite possible. Catching up is also a chance, BOD is being developed to 30 nodes. Cruising is also smaller to 25 nodes. This is all in the public domain.
"Silent speed", at which the boat can not be heard, is much less, though hardly anyone will tell you its meaning honestly and accurately. I’m only sure of one thing - it is much smaller than 20 nodes. That's purely because of the physics of motion of solids in water. Therefore, catch up. Stealth submarine is our everything.

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Skay

The amateurish question: do our submarines look very much like enemy ones?

According to combat characteristics? If to explain in a nutshell, it’s approximately how the UAZ-Patriot is similar in technical specifications to the Hammer . But seriously, compare the accident rate in the US Navy or in the fleets of NATO member countries with our submarine fleet. The Americans lost only two boats - Thresher and Scorpio, and then ... for a long, very long time. This despite the fact that their fleet is actively patrolling the world's oceans. In other words, the fleet is operating normally, actively plowing. And I can’t say this about ours. I have not met our fleet anywhere except Russia. And I think you can find information on how many boats in peacetime with us perished on the Internet. So draw conclusions.

[Skay]

According to combat characteristics?

By "detectability".
I'm worried about what. Our people went to sea, "discovered-destroyed", got a set-off, they are happy to go home. And all this time some adversary dangled under their belly.

[Brylevsky]

The enemy marks us for the exam. Then the "moment of truth" will come. As for that successful destroyer, I personally was not on it, I do not know its real condition. Maybe there “everything is fine” ... I had enough of “Shaposhnikov” at one time. Since then, I do not believe all these “triumphant reports”, because my experience speaks differently. And the experience of some of my comrades is in agreement with him: the material and technical condition of most combat units of the Pacific Fleet is catastrophic ... if tomorrow is a war, then this will be another Tsushima.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Enough of writing the blizzard. NO ONE on the planet has 4th generation strategists, the 955th and 955A are the quietest of the SSBNs in the world plus the fastest and only ones capable of launching all 16 SLBMs. The mattresses on their 40-year-old Nuts can only pull two and further into the dock for an “examination”, the last time the interval between the two Tridents was (away from sin) for as long as 4 hours. This boat, as I understand it, was not on duty in 2017.
According to the multipurpose, the 885 and 885M are certainly not inferior to the three Sea Wolves, ahead of the British and French, I am generally silent about the Chinese. They are ahead of any ICAPL in armament. The only drawback is that only 1 in the ranks, 1 at the factory and only 5 in construction. By the way, our 971s are no worse than Impruvd Elk. And for non-atomic ones, one can only compare with the French from the nuclear five, neither the Britons nor the Amers have any atomic (and never will), and the Chinese have weak copies of Varshavyanka.
PS But Russia has the only thing that no one else has - Poseidons and Status-6. They will easily replace about a dozen submarines in the function of destroying ports, naval bases, and even entire specially "developed" countries from the face of the earth.

[Brylevsky]

Baby, calm down. When you grow up, ask to serve in the Pacific Fleet. When you serve, then it will be interesting to discuss with you both “Statuses” and American “Angela” ... But something tells me that by the end of your life you will be less interested in these issues, and you’ll change your opinion on the navy root. But until you try, you won’t know. Such a dialectic ...

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Brylevsky

When you grow up, ask to serve in the Pacific Fleet. When you serve, then it will be interesting to discuss with you both "Statuses" and American "Angela" ..

I do not know. He discussed with many officers who served in the Northern Fleet and in the Pacific Fleet, both officers and conscripts, no one spoke about the powerlessness of our diesel-electric submarines and MAPL. The problem, of course, is a lot, but ... So let me not believe you.

[Serg65]

Quote: Brylevsky

When will you serve

How much did he serve? And go on the Black River?

[Sarmat Sanych]

Brylevsky, if I have to reassure you myself, more quickly than you shake off the ashes. Is there anything in the case, a miracle in feathers, or will you still beat a bald spot on the parquet?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Brylevsky

And I can’t say this about ours

it's about your ...

[Brylevsky]

What is still yours? Russian, or what? Well, then, really, our ...

[DVTamga]

And if you compare with the Madagascar fleet? Well, or with Paraguayan at least? Her better with Swiss! Imagine, the Swiss fleet has no accident at all !!! By the way, the conclusions about you are clear. Grandson of an officer?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Brylevsky

I have not met our fleet anywhere except Russia.

I hope a good rating for our melt ...

[Setrac]

Quote: Brylevsky

If to explain in a nutshell, it’s approximately how the UAZ-Patriot is similar in technical specifications to the Hammer

Is that the Hammer that got stuck in the sand at the landing?

[Vlad5307]

It’s good that they destroyed, the training truth, the adversary. It's a shame that our Navy was destroyed without a single shot at it!

[Brylevsky]

Quote: DVTamga

By the way, the conclusions about you are clear. Grandson of an officer?

No ... Senior lieutenant of the mine and torpedo service reserve of the Project 11.24M ship, Pacific Fleet. You are hasty in your conclusions, this is bad. The facts do not clarify the general picture of the situation for you, but seem to "break the pattern." Do not live illusions. Inadequate perception of the surrounding reality leads to tragic consequences. Ask for contract service to us at the Pacific Fleet, sobering will come quickly.

[Serg65]

Quote: Brylevsky

11.24M project

why did you put a point between 11 and 24, older? Of jackets or what?

[Brylevsky]

Yes, and I do not hide it. Do you have any claims to me?

[Serg65]

Quote: Brylevsky

Do you have any claims to me?

Of course my friend, of course!
The albatrosses of the 114 Brigade quite successfully caught Elk, Ohio, and Virginia! Probably some other ships were in this brigade? In your "opuses" you are "professionally" trying to compare the modern corvette and the IPC of the last century ........ STOP !!! Lech, is it you again ???????

[Brylevsky]

Oh, God ... when will you carefully read how to read? What is another "modern corvette"? I talked about the destroyer, about his "successful attack." Further. If an anti-submarine ship found a submarine, this does not mean that she did not find it before. I hope you will not argue with this hypothesis? And further. You will probably be surprised, but the IPC of the “last century” buildings still serve in the Pacific Fleet, and nobody has upgraded their sonar systems since then. This modern corvette we have at the Pacific Fleet in a single copy ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Brylevsky

I talked about the destroyer, about his "successful attack"

You can end this, the fleet and you are two big differences !!!

Quote: Brylevsky

And more

Cheeks do not blow so much, God forbid what ....

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Brylevsky

Quote: DVTamga

By the way, the conclusions about you are clear. Grandson of an officer?

No ... Senior lieutenant of the mine and torpedo service reserve of the Project 11.24M ship, Pacific Fleet. You are hasty in your conclusions, this is bad. The facts do not clarify the general picture of the situation for you, but seem to "break the pattern." Do not live illusions. Inadequate perception of the surrounding reality leads to tragic consequences. Ask for contract service to us at the Pacific Fleet, sobering will come quickly.

respect.

[Brylevsky]

But I did not say anything about "about the powerlessness of our diesel-electric submarines and MAPLs." Have you mixed me up with someone? I allowed myself to doubt the possibility of sinking a modern submarine with the help of the RSL, for the reasons voiced by me above. I talked about the fact that the fleet has a system of “postscripts”, suppression of facts, wishful thinking ... that's what I talked about. And you, apparently, have fantasized something for yourself ... I cannot tell you anything about submarines, I did not serve there. I can about anti-submarine ships ! But I'm afraid that what you hear will ruin your mood . Let’s do this: let each of us remain in our opinion. You will consider that everything in the fleet is OK, and I will be left alone with my experience.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Brylevsky

But I did not say anything about "about the powerlessness of our diesel-electric submarines and MAPL"

и

Quote: Brylevsky

ro submarines can not tell you anything, I did not serve there

But at the same time

Quote: Brylevsky

Quote: Skay
The amateurish question: do our submarines look very much like enemy ones?
According to combat characteristics? If to explain in a nutshell, it’s approximately how the UAZ-Patriot is similar in technical specifications to the Hammer

So I didn’t confuse you with anyone

Quote: Brylevsky

I can about anti-submarine ships good! But I'm afraid that what you hear will ruin your mood

It will not spoil, I know that. Not in the details, but ... nonetheless.

Quote: Brylevsky

Let’s do this: let each of us remain in our opinion. You will consider that everything in the fleet is OK, and I will be left alone with my experience.

I never said that everything in the Navy is OK, quite the opposite - witnesses to that, and even the last cycle of my articles "The Russian Navy. A sad look into the future."

[Black sniper]

We would have to “Kuzi” pieces 3-4 fully modernized and re-equipped, and so everything is in order

[Andrey Yuryevich]

don’t butt, we all love the fleet, we all worry about it, and it’s clear like the sun that the fleet has difficult times and is an expensive pleasure for any country. therefore, understandable and Chelyabinsk and Brilevskie ... we are Rusich, and cheer about one ....

[Brylevsky]

Thank you for your understanding.

[Setrac]

Quote: Brylevsky

let each of us remain in our opinion.

Well, no, the truth - it is one, and she (this truth) does not care about the opinion of amateurs.

[VohaAhov]

But didn’t they shoot the “Package” like that?

[Black sniper]

Quote: Faceless

In any case, one of the best in the world according to these indicators.

Well, nothing is said about submarines in the article ...

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I didn’t confuse you with anyone

I have already said that my VUS is anti-submarine. Do you think that those who must seek and destroy enemy submarines should have an idea of ​​their properties? I do not see a contradiction in my words. Yes, I'm not a submariner. But the US is sufficiently aware of the shortcomings of domestic boats and the advantages of US boats. Tired of making excuses and arguing ... If I am wrong and if the war starts our fleet will turn out to be great, then I don’t know anything about our fleet. I propose to end the discussion on this.

[gorenina91]

-China will soon have so many submarines, destroyers and all kinds of warships that you won’t get enough of them and anti-submarine rocket bombs ... -They are riveting them like tanks .. and the tanks of China ... -That's why you get lost. ..

[Andrey Yuryevich]

because ... the young lady will say, and there is nothing to answer ...

[Setrac]

Quote: gorenina91

that you won’t get enough of them and anti-submarine rocket bombs ...

However, they do not rivet submarines like that! Apparently you are going to attack Chinese surface ships with anti-submarine bombers?

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Wedmak

So I would say that not everything is so simple.

I hope so too. I hope that there will not be another Tsushima.

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Brylevsky, if I have to reassure you myself, more quickly than you shake off the ashes. Is there anything in the case, a miracle in feathers, or will you still beat a bald spot on the parquet?

Well, you’re for sure, or a child, or a stupid adult ... what are you going to calm me down with - a shake of air on the keyboard? Learn to conduct a constructive dialogue, and save your fists for the case when they are really needed. And not virtually. I don’t want to offend anyone here. If I upset or upset you with something, I apologize. It was not evil.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Citizen, learn courtesy, this is the first. Do not turn on the back when I started with rudeness, this is the second. And pull up your level of education to talk to me in an equal dialogue, this is the third.

[Cympak]

Quote: Brylevsky

Oh, God ... when will you carefully read how to read? What is another "modern corvette"? I talked about the destroyer, about his "successful attack." Further. If an anti-submarine ship found a submarine, this does not mean that she did not find it before. I hope you will not argue with this hypothesis? And further. You will probably be surprised, but the IPC of the “last century” buildings still serve in the Pacific Fleet, and nobody has upgraded their sonar systems since then. This modern corvette we have at the Pacific Fleet in a single copy ...

And on the "Modern" "PACK" has already been installed? At the beginning of September 2017, when Putin was examining him there was only a pedestal from the “Package” and a poster with his description.
Watch from 3: 59

[Cympak]

Quote: VohaAhov

But didn’t they shoot the “Package” like that?

Many of the "experts" may not understand what is the catch;)

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Citizen, learn courtesy, this is the first. Do not turn on the back when I started with rudeness, this is the second. And pull up your level of education to talk to me in an equal dialogue, this is the third.

I’m talking quite politely with you, but you don’t. This is the first. You began to be rude. This is the second. As for my education ... how do you know what it is?

[NordOst16]

It is simply useless to engage in dialogue with some contingents.
By the way, such a question, I read somehow that with submarines like with aviation - you can’t deal with them without similar units, it is interesting, but surface ships can successfully conduct submarines or can not do without submarines?

[Sarmat Sanych]

Quote: Brylevsky

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

I’m talking quite politely with you, but you don’t. This is the first. You began to be rude. This is the second. As for my education ... how do you know what it is?

I think you understand everything perfectly, and the rest are watching from when it all began. And about the "how do you know" - from the experience of negotiations I see.

[Brylevsky]

I “understand” to the best of my understanding. So your attacks against me are absolutely incomprehensible to me: for my part, this was not. I don’t know what your head is clogged with, the performance characteristics of the probable enemy’s weapons, coupled with our or patriotic programs of the Zvezda television channel, just take it for granted: between what you heard or read, it's an abyss. The abyss of lies. I'm talking about Pacific Fleet now. And the only way to verify the correctness (or lies?) Of my words is to go there yourself. And see and feel everything yourself. While in your head is a chimera that has little to do with reality.

[Brylevsky]

Quote: NordOst16

and surface ships can successfully conduct a PLO or can not do without a submarine?

It will be just the opinion of the reader of the forum ... Here is the opinion: anti-submarine defense can not do without multipurpose submarines. As well as its other components ... It is impossible to plug a tactical "hole" with a single surface ship with a sonar system and means of destruction if atomic multi-purpose boats fall out of it. This is a theory. This is what strategists think of with big stars in the General Staff of the Russian Federation. And I think about something else. I recall the technical means of the "Stone Age" that I had to deal with on a ship - tube and transistor components and sine-cosine rotary transformers in the 21st century, is this normal? Or sailors-Dagestanis, some of whom could hardly speak Russian, but were extremely ambitious ... and who had to learn specialties to ensure "combat readiness"; about "combat readiness at all costs", albeit at the expense of postscripts and outright lies and so on, so on .. nothing to say or write about. That’s all I sometimes think about. Sorry for the sad truth.