The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will receive the first domestic drone drone

The Russian military will put into service a shock upgraded Forpost-M drone, whose tests will be completed shortly, according to News.

The Defense Ministry told the newspaper that the updated UAV is a completely autonomous platform on which a modern radar, optical systems and guided bombs are located. Thanks to its equipment, the drone is able to identify and destroy ground targets any time of day and in any weather.

In particular, the Russian-developed strap-down inertial navigation system (SINS) allows the device to fly without using the GLONASS or GPS system, which gives it advantages in areas saturated with the enemy’s air defense and EW systems.

According to the newspaper, the first models drones of this type were "run in" in Syria. Tests have shown that UAVs successfully detect artillery systems, camouflaged armored vehicles and enemy command posts. The drone has the ability to immediately destroy the identified objects.

The range of the “Forpost-M” is up to 250 km from the location of the operator. Its speed is more than 200 km / h, the time spent in the air is up to 17 hours. The weight of the device is more than 450 kg. The maximum flight height is about 5 thousand meters.

According to experts, shock drones allow commanders to solve many tactical tasks without putting their soldiers at risk.

Comments

[Wild_grey_wolf]

can military acceptance cycle update about unmanned aerial vehicles. You look at some data that will update.

[Starover_Z]

Journalists are always greedy for fresh statements!
I’m not ready yet. I think, it’s not tested and not tested, and here they are already filling up with roosters, headless!

the drone is able to identify and destroy ground targets at any time of the day and in any weather.

The weight of the device is more than 450 kg. The maximum flight altitude is about 5 thousand meters.

In any weather ?! And if a squally wind suddenly flies up, where then to look for this drone, with its bird weight and its equipment ?!

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Well, to show us the information, the Military Acceptance needs to start shooting right now and accumulate material. Like a story.
What kind of army is this that launches a drone without making sure that it does not come. Or it means associated risks. But the main crew is intact.

[Random]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Military acceptance needs to start shooting now and accumulate material.

"Military acceptance" is time .... "tie" noodles with a throw
Transfer 22.07.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX, t \ to "Star" - "stands" SENIOR RESEARCH Worker (!!!!) Research Institute ... , by the name of Nesterov - in the hangar, where models (sometimes full-size) of American missiles and planes are displayed: wink: and says that "..... they knew about the B-2 10 years before its flight and even then calculated its EPR."?
and the journalist, the journalist then asks - "..... yes, well, it can’t be ...", and he says that "..... seriously claims this"
Then the journalist asks - ".... but can you calculate the EPR of an airplane with a wingspan of 10 or 15 m?"
A "hangar director" says - ".... it doesn’t matter what size the plane, at least 10 thousand meters, does not depend on this EPR, this parameter depends on stealth technologies."
After that ... CURTAIN

[Wild_grey_wolf]

You see with your own eyes that they show and you can analyze yourself, but this is enough. Though through such additional information to receive.
And what quality is there, who says the SECOND or THIRD thing.

Of course, it’s better not to transmit at all and not see what they can show.
The logic is iron. Seryoga did not like a couple of phrases, we all close the program and just do not broadcast anything because there is nothing. . . something like this should be.

At least a little calmer because you can.

[Random]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

The logic is iron. Seryoga did not like a couple of phrases, we all close the program and just do not broadcast anything because there is nothing. . . something like this should be.

It’s only with Lenin’s grandfather, “the cook could rule the state” , well, as we have now ... only friends-comrades "
Maybe that's why we are in ....... ?

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: Random

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

The logic is iron. Seryoga did not like a couple of phrases, we all close the program and just do not broadcast anything because there is nothing. . . something like this should be.

It’s only with Lenin’s grandfather, “the cook could rule the state” , well, as we have now ... only friends-comrades "
Maybe that's why we are in ....... ?

So close everything that does not suit Seryoga for nothing? It’s probably hard for you to live. Somehow in the film, Brother was shown about such a taxi driver. So then the man is probably normal, but here. . . . .

[Random]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

It’s probably hard for you to live.

I live beautifully, since I lived through all worthy times and survived this and even .. "present time" , and even more so, what remains is ... quite a bit (dialectics .. understand)
And here you are .. remaining in this ..... I am sincerely sorry

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Remaining where? Judging by the comments, something does not suit you. The strange answer, of such a hauler, the drone is not so aching, they’re taking off and they say it’s not so aching, otherwise the guys are you who are left somewhere. What how.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Random

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

The logic is iron. Seryoga did not like a couple of phrases, we all close the program and just do not broadcast anything because there is nothing. . . something like this should be.

It’s only with Lenin’s grandfather, “the cook could rule the state” , well, as we have now ... only friends-comrades "
Maybe that's why we are in ....... ?

You see, Sergey, all your trouble is that you are too trusting. You simply believed a certain uncle who quoted Lenin’s phrase taken out of context. According to this phrase, it turns out that the “cook”, having become the head of the state, can easily manage it. And you did not even doubt that Lenin (!) Could think so! Do you think Lenin is a stupid and near-minded person?
Well, so that you still understand what I’m talking about, I’ll explain - Soviet Power is the Power of the Soviets; village council, city council, regional council, Supreme Council. Could a “cook” be a member of any of these “tips”? Sure! So, being a member of the council ....... she ruled the state. That was the idea of ​​Lenin. But fate decreed otherwise. And when, after the Second World War, Stalin decided to transfer power from the party to the Soviets, he was killed. And the power remained with the party.

[Random]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You see, Sergey, all your trouble is that you are too trusting.

Mine and mine, dear .. there is no trouble, but gullibility ... you probably confuse me with "approvers" or with ..., well, which everyone constantly deceives
And for "everything" the rest, "the late, deeply respected M. Zadornov said very well ..." ..... he (she) has two fingers thick forehead and finished (a) brick vocational school "and must (and ) therefore to guide EXCLUSIVELY ... BRICKES "

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Random

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You see, Sergey, all your trouble is that you are too trusting.

Mine and mine, dear .. there is no trouble, but gullibility ... you probably confuse me with "approvers" or with ..., well, which everyone constantly deceives
And for "everything" the rest, "the late, deeply respected M. Zadornov said very well ..." ..... he (she) has two fingers thick forehead and finished (a) brick vocational school "and must (and ) therefore to guide EXCLUSIVELY ... BRICKES "

And again, you, with your esteemed Zadornov, did not understand anything about government in Lenin's style.
Even he (a), having graduated from a "brick" vocational school, is able, unlike the "smartest" Medvedev, who graduated from a university, to understand that it is impossible to raise the retirement age, that there is another way to fill the PF and will vote against it in the Duma. And this is yavl. the fact of her (his) government.

[Random]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And again you, with your esteemed Zadornov, didn’t understand anything about state administration in Lenin’s

Again you are all about .. "ideas" We live by FACT ..... and you are on the principle of "if my grandmother had one thing ... she would be ... grandfather"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Random

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And again you, with your esteemed Zadornov, didn’t understand anything about state administration in Lenin’s

Again you are all about .. "ideas" We live by FACT ..... and you are on the principle of "if my grandmother had one thing ... she would be ... grandfather"

And again, you didn’t understand anything. If the "cooks" were in the Duma, TODAY, Medvedev would not even dare to put forward a bill on "pension reform." But there are some "giants of thought" with foreheads half a head.

[Orakul2000]

You know, on the question of grandmother, in our abnormal time, it is also not so simple.

[Dietmar]

Krasnoyarsk with someone else’s flag, although not on the topic of the article, but: why not raise the retirement age? Well ka, "what is your evidence?"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Dietmar

Krasnoyarsk with someone else’s flag, although not on the topic of the article, but: why not raise the retirement age? Well ka, "what is your evidence?"

And to think with your own head is not fate? Or do you have it in order to eat it?

[rruvim]

I watched this program on the "Star". Neighing ...

[VO3A]

Why make such a drone strike if the distance from the operator in the depths of its territory is up to 250 km from the enemy? .. This removal is blocked in most cases by self-propelled guns and MLRS .... No need to tell tales about such strike UAVs ... For whom are these regular ravings, completely incompetent people?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: VO3A

Why make such a drone strike if the distance from the operator in the depths of its territory is up to 250 km from the enemy?

then why make attack helicopters that operate in approximately the same radius?

Quote: VO3A

This removal is blocked in most cases by self-propelled guns and MLRS

yes you what? Self-propelled guns for 250 km? And MLRS? If only OTRK, and then not everyone. It is probably easier to fly close and pointly put a couple of bombs or missiles, including about a moving target, how to plow hectares of land? how do you imagine, for example, the MLRS strike on a residential quarter?

Quote: VO3A

Who are these next nonsense designed for, completely incompetent people?

in the light of the foregoing about incompetence - no comment)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: VO3A

Nicely

nice to know that you essentially have nothing to answer)

[Maz]

Well, we rejoice in the small, you look and build the big

[Romka47]

Military acceptance. Are you talking about a TV show? Personally, I think that the most stupid program about weapons, they really are nonsense.

[Dietmar]

And which weapon transmission do you consider sensible, which is the most sensible? Which one did you watch?

[Romka47]

Wings of Russia

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Where else can they show you a video? Do not want do not listen, watch the video, study, draw conclusions. What kind of people.

[Shurale]

Perfection is accompanied by beauty, take the SU-30 as an example. And here ... Characteristics are cool, I do not argue, but apparently they will still work on the appearance, the square profile, as I understand it, is convenient for transportation of a large number of products by wagons.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

see the optimal shape of the airframe, before in the form of a drop for aerodynamics, angularity reduced visibility. The task is to plan. Maybe when they will radically change and change the layout. Outwardly, it looks so that it can be repaired at any time. These are more important than complex lines and unnecessary frills. Tu - 95 is also from the past, but it is still terrifying.

[KCA]

Where does the beauty come from? Identity Israeli "Surcher", but where is the beauty in Israel? Half-breeds from the former USSR are not taken into account

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Is it necessary to spray bile or is it your nature? From what you wrote it is clear that you are not competent.

Where does the beauty come from? Identity Israeli "Surcher", but where is the beauty in Israel?

you don’t understand in the compromise use of form to quality.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Shurale

but apparently they will still work on the appearance, the square profile, as I understand it, is convenient for the carriage of a large number of products

what for? The speed of the UAV is small, it does not require licked aerodynamics. The square fuselage allows you to slightly increase the load-bearing properties of the device (the bottom works like a plane), and also allows you to have a larger internal volume. First of all, functionality, secondly - beauty

[Avis-bis]

Quote: Gregory_45

allows you to have a larger internal volume. First of all functionality

That's right. And the first factor is the low cost of manufacturing aircraft with straight panels instead of a cylindrical fuselage. This is an UAV ... A potentially disposable device.

[ultra]

It’s a pity that they removed the opportunity to minus articles. Perhaps there is a lot of money in the MO? What is the point of producing this? Or does anyone have this?

[ANCIENT]

The payload allows you to consider it shock, or is it so, by the way had ??? But in fact this is the hundredth modernization of a scout ???

[novel66]

weight 450 pounds. what kind of bombs will he raise? pub 2.5?

[KLV2018]

Quote: novel xnumx

weight 450 pounds. what kind of bombs will he raise? pub 2.5?

couple F1

[spektr9]

Chinese missiles will attach fireworks and we will have an unmanned launch vehicle ....

[Romario_Argo]

fab-50ck mass 60 kg., centuries 25 kg. - 2 pieces - 120 kg. or one ZAB-100-105 - 106 kg. - what not expectation and not pleasantness
* There is still an option for the Navy, anti-submarine PLAB-10K - 125 kg.

[novel66]

doubtful, with a take-off mass of 450 kilos

[MPN]

Considering that there is fuel (time in the air - up to 17 hours), an engine (200 km \ h at H = 5000 m.), Equipment ... According to my estimates, this weapon can carry it ... With the most beautiful the situation, provided that the remaining load is minimized, and then Kg 25 well, let 50 (if part of the equipment is removed and fuel is not added), well, you can hang something like an ATGM.

[novel66]

yeah, and the weight of the beam and guidance equipment? if only from the ground will

[scientist]

For example, instead of bombs, several dozen modified grenades of the f-1 type can be suspended.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: novel xnumx

weight 450 pounds. what kind of bombs will he raise? pub 2.5?

Roma, I came across such a photo. Do you recognize the ammunition?

[novel66]

her, I was stuck in the last century. interesting suitcase

[bouncyhunter]

Here I am about the same. The photo was posted with the question "What is this?" . There is no answer (as you might guess) ...

[Random]

Quote: bouncyhunter

There is no answer (as you might guess) ...

While the weight and size layout

[bouncyhunter]

Quite possible . What: is there a development of something "sort of" with the possibility of further use, not only from "Outpost-M"?

[Romario_Argo]

it's not a bomb but a visual layout

[Romka47]

You asked the clearest question! what will he take? as if the UAVs of the Barmalei those that Khmeimim tried to attack did not carry a large load

[Faceless]

Well done. It is high time.
"Square" - so it is subsonic, and with this form it is easier to plan at low speeds.
One cheap (because of the short range) missile, or a guided bomb, will bring to the target - for this it was created.
"What for?" - it’s cheap, there is no risk of pilot death, it’s more difficult to detect for air defense (it is unlikely that opponents on our existing theater of operations have the latest generation radars in the right quantities, and the personnel who can service them).
On the whole, this is another, albeit small, but important step in the right direction of increasing the potential of our armed forces.

[Random]

Quote: Faceless

"Square" - so it is subsonic, and with this form it is easier to plan at low speeds.

A smart target, even for a hunting rifle (cartridges with a “leopard”)
But you can hear him ... like in that joke about the Tu-142-e ..... who are just starting to warm up the engines in Kipelovo, and Amer’s submarines already know that .... "Russians will come soon"

Quote: Faceless

"What for?" - it’s cheap, there is no risk of pilot death, it’s more difficult to detect for air defense (it is unlikely that opponents on our existing theater of operations have the latest generation radars in the right quantities, and the personnel who can service them).

Do you know how much SINS is?
Once again I repeat .. it can be heard for .... "1000" miles. Read ... how many have already been beaten? Or do you think that the Israelis gave it to us along with DBK?

[Wild_grey_wolf]

What is your claim. What does not suit you?

[Random]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

What is your claim. What does not suit you?

EVERYTHING!!! Why repeat ...? Or understand ... "Urya-patriotism interferes"?

[Wild_grey_wolf]

What exactly does URAAAAA prevent?

The device flies performs its task. What are the claims?
You can still show the damaged T-72 and draw the same conclusions with your favorite quacking URAYAYA your.

[Random]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

The device flies performs its task. What are the claims?

Yes, no ... flies only over barmaley, in which practically air defense , and a little somewhere and with someone, yes ... more serious .... that's all
No need to try to make a "wunder-waffle" from what is available but with us without .. "seizing" and "having no analogues in the world" ... nowhere , Unfortunately

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Well, let him fly over the Barmalei, it will be another task to fly something else, by the practiced practices of the Syrian experience. The optimal device, sufficient to complete the task.
At the same time, you fully understand this and went through it during a huge number of preparations and briefings.
But for some reason you write this is, in my opinion, strange and unnecessary.

[Moore]

Uryakalki, of course, is a big minus for this resource, but UAVs, including drone ones, also work where the air defense is either suppressed or not by definition. Long raptor flies over the Kaliningrad region, for example?

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: Moore

Uryakalki, of course, is a big minus for this resource, but UAVs, including drone ones, also work where the air defense is either suppressed or not by definition. Long raptor flies over the Kaliningrad region, for example?

For that, the Raptor looks very stylish and futuristic, just satisfying many of the shortcomings of those who comment above and how much it costs, just like a good and necessary weight.

Ur also has the opposite of Whiners in which everything is bad and do not need anything. This is also somehow not a plus, but such a fate.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Here is a person at the beginning A bunch of words writes, and then:

Quote: Random

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

The device flies performs its task. What are the claims?

Yes, no ... flies only over barmaley, in which practically air defense , and a little somewhere and with someone, yes ... more serious .... that's all
No need to try to make a "wunder-waffle" from what is available but with us without .. "seizing" and "having no analogues in the world" ... nowhere , Unfortunately

And then yes, no fly over the barmalei. . . what is this why at all.
Or he needs a spaceship with a frantic cost to fly over the Barmalei without air defense.
HERE thinks what and claims to what.
AT LEAST AS A SMART GUY AND EXPERIENCED.

[Random]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

And then yes, no fly over the barmalei. . . what is this why at all.

Do not distort
I bring to you the idea that "... You don’t have to try to make a" wunder-waffle "from what wink is, but we don’t .." restrain "and" have no analogues in the world "... wink nowhere, unfortunately soldier "
But you can’t “accept” it, because .... in general they told you that you live well .. here you are clearly and execute the “commands”

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Maybe you want to convey the idea and want to, but for now you can hear how to call it a whining, well, probably not. Grunting with a disgruntled, disgruntled old man is more suitable. They do it wrong, fly it wrong or fly it the wrong way. Under these tasks, you know better than the guys on the front lines for whom modernization is being carried out. The programs are also not so filmed and voiced wrong. You may want to convey something, but you are carrying something completely different.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

And this is your Uryayayaya quack does not catch. And in his comments he did not notice admiration.

The guys work fruitfully with the object, and how then they can use it and on what devices this is important. The main thing is not sitting and not grumbling like some.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Moore

UAVs, including drone ones, also work where air defense is either suppressed or not by definition

Not certainly in that way. The absence of air defense does not happen at all - the device can always be fired from the ground, at least from the rifle or machine guns. UAVs are used either where the risk for pilots of manned vehicles is high (loss of iron is just a loss of iron, in addition, in the case of a reconnaissance, information is transmitted in real time and will still complete part of the mission before destruction) or there where a longer stay in the target area is required. The drone can barrage for hours, transmitting a picture or adjusting the fire, which is not yet available to most army aircraft. In addition, the UAV itself is much less noticeable due to its small size, which makes it difficult to detect and destroy it.

[alexmach]

Yes, no ... flies only over barmaley, whose air defense practically request

And they, in my opinion, are used just like that all over the world. Well, someone also needs to fly over the barmalei. Better on the SU-25 or what?

[Faceless]

Listen to you, so a jet fighter (bomber) is both quieter and cheaper.
"Heard him for a hundred miles." so what? “You at least find him in the sky with your eyes.” before he strikes. Is it higher than 100 m that the range of the shot from the gun doesn’t mean at all? And it can drop a bomb only over a target. Apparently, only after landing.
The Israelis argued ... And what about every terrorist on the Patriot is hidden? this is generally a new UAV. Nobody has shot him down yet, but what is inside (EW) only designers know.
In general, the issue of use should not be confused with the issue of creation. And then according to your logic, if, in front of the tank, the T-14 Armata tank was tasked with shooting down the Tomahawk, but it could not cope, then the tank went out of use.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Looks like this logic is LOW.
I see no other explanation for thinking.
The main dirty trick to write.

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Quote: Faceless

You at least find it in the sky with your eyes. before he strikes. He’s higher than 100 m do you think the range of the shot from the gun does not rise at all? And it can drop a bomb only over a target. Apparently, only after landing.

Almost 10 times a month I observe They beat dill .. already 5 pieces.
There is such a thing .. "sarcasm" is called ... did not hear?

[Faceless]

And each time you watch until the moment of impact))
What is not immediately 50? ..
Further, simply without comment.

[Random]

Quote: Faceless

"Heard him for a hundred miles." so what? -

Yes ... you can see right away ... "a person with civil rights ... maybe everything is still not .." flying "
1. You first at least find the bomb .. that it would be possible to hang, even if at least at some height "climb"
2.T.E. and in the theory of B / m you are not just 0, but such ... SQUARE ... i.e. non-rolling and BALISTICS APS and methods of its application for you ... dark forest

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Random

A smart target, even for a hunting rifle

here as soon as you personally fill up at least one from a distance of at least 200 meters - there will be something to talk about.

Quote: Random

how many have already been stuffed? Or do you think that the Israelis gave it to us along with DBK?

Yeah, but the Jews discover them only visually and by ear? How to the first world?

[bk316]

A smart target, even for a hunting rifle (cartridges with a leopard) ... Do you know how much SINS costs?

As I understand it, you are an expert in hunting weapons, sports shooting and navigation systems.
So tell me enlighten us
-What is this gun that shoots 5 km up?
-A lot of goals you shot down from a hunting rifle at a speed of 250 km / h?
-How much does a single-chip SINS with laser gyroscopes cost?

[Random]

Quote: bk316

So tell me enlighten us
-What is this gun that shoots 5 km up?
-A lot of goals you shot down from a hunting rifle at a speed of 250 km / h?
-How much does a single-chip SINS with laser gyroscopes cost?

Well, for especially “Gifted” .. I repeat that the phrase is “A smart target, even for a hunting rifle (cartridges with a Bars”) wassat this is:

[poquello]

Quote: Random

for especially "Gifted" ..

this is called stupidity, amid zeros, squares, other epithets for interlocutors and hunting arguments, it is well-deserved and you can’t cover it with sarcasm)))))))

[_Ugene_]

Payload weight 120kg, minus radar, optical systems, and what remains? They decided to make a funny drummer from the Israeli Searcher II, as they say - I blinded it from what it was.

[Faceless]

If necessary, they will do more payload. not done - it means that it is not required to complete the tasks. And weeping from the series “everything is bad”, in response to the creation of our first strike UAV ... In general, answer it yourself.
I have a feeling of pride. Finally they could, finally they did, how many pilot lives he would save in the future.

[spektr9]

I have a feeling of pride. Finally managed, finally done,

Interestingly, but he is aware that the outpost is a licensed copy of Searcher II?

[Random]

Quote: spektr9

Interestingly, but he is aware that the outpost is a licensed copy of Searcher II?

And why .... the main thing ... "pride"

[_Ugene_]

And weeping from the series "everything is bad", in response to the creation of our first strike UAV

unfortunately not ours (Israeli, licensed) and not shock, from such a small airplane only a scout can come out and the fact that they try to make a drummer from it is not from a good life, there’s nothing to be proud of

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

Israeli licensed do

and what is licensed there?

Quote: _Ugene_

from such a small airplane only a scout can turn out

? 450kg small?

[_Ugene_]

and what is licensed there?

the whole plane, this is the 1990 Israeli Searcher II, they sold us a license for it. it’s a long time ago for them, we wanted to buy something more modern from them, but the states didn’t allow it, and this is please.

450kg small?

yes, for a strike aircraft it’s just scanty, a payload of 120 kg does not allow you to hang anything substantial (except for a lot of weapons that still need to be hung, as a result, there will remain several tens of kg for a rocket), you can’t name this a drummer. Real drummers weigh 10-15 tons each.

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

and what is licensed there?

the whole plane

an autonomous platform on which modern radar, optical systems and guided bombs are located. Thanks to its equipment, the drone is able to identify and destroy ground targets at any time of the day and in any weather.
In particular, strapdown inertial navigation system (SINS)

lie mean?

[_Ugene_]

and what is the contradiction here?

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

and what is the contradiction here?

) so if "the whole plane" then bin and bombs etc.

[_Ugene_]

payload Searcher II 120kg, "modern radar, optical systems, SINS" this is the payload and how much is left for bombs is unknown, but obviously not much

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

a payload of 120 kg does not allow hanging anything substantial

and the sight on which all the old things were thrown at the barmalei, how much does it weigh?

[_Ugene_]

If you are talking about SVP-24 Hephaestus, which is on the Su-24M, then the information in the network is 127 kg and the volume is 179 dm3. It doesn’t fit either in mass or in volume, and it would easily stand in a normal drummer of 10-15 tons

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

If you are talking about SVP-24 Hephaestus, which is on the Su-24M, then the information in the network is 127 kg and the volume is 179 dm3. It doesn’t fit either in mass or in volume, and it would easily stand in a normal drummer of 10-15 tons

yes, a bit too much, a fifty kornet cornet assembly

[Foul skeptic]

Good afternoon!
Do not tell me how you can estimate approximately the lifting force of the device in order to understand what kind of payload you can count on? And what managed Are bombs in service that will fit into this payload?

[_Ugene_]

this is not required since the payload of the Israeli Searcher II is known - 120kg and you can’t shove anything substantial into this payload

[Shuttle]

Some things on it are some sticky pieces sticking out from under the hat ...

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Well stick out and it’s not a secret. Why are you doing this?

[poquello]

so it was necessary to learn something

[Grigory_45]

The drone has the ability to immediately destroy identified objects.

than? What weapons does he carry? About the main thing - not a word

[voyaka uh]

This is a popular Israeli reconnaissance drone IAI Searcher II
It was bought by India, Spain, Russia. It is not suitable for weapons.
But, probably, he will pull a couple of small NUR or SD.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is a popular Israeli reconnaissance drone IAI Searcher II

aware of his origin and appointment of a scout

Quote: voyaka uh

But he’ll probably pull a couple of small NUR or UR

the fact of the matter is that a couple of maximum, what-thread kilogram of 20-25 maximum. It is simply pointless to deploy unguided weapons with such ammunition.

[voyaka uh]

But the problem is that Russia does not produce light compact SDs.
They began to be produced not so long ago, and especially for drones, only the States and Israel.

[_Ugene_]

it means we’ll buy a plus for a toy airplane and toy rackets from Israel, only the states will not allow it, apparently they will hang a dozen RGD-5 on it and there will be a real drummer

[Dikson]

The airplane is ugly .. - will not take root ..

[ver_]

Quote: Random

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

The logic is iron. Seryoga did not like a couple of phrases, we all close the program and just do not broadcast anything because there is nothing. . . something like this should be.

It’s only with Lenin’s grandfather, “the cook could rule the state” , well, as we have now ... only friends-comrades "
Maybe that's why we are in ....... ?

... you can distort the meaning in one word .. I’m not even a close supporter of Ulyanov = Blanca ..
He said - * every cook must learn to govern the state * ...- learn and manage - different concepts ..

[Random]

Quote: ver_

He said - * every cook must learn to govern the state * ...- learn and manage - different concepts ..

you tell my opponent, esteemed Krasnoyarsk / u, because "to be able and able" is not a priori "compatible concepts", but he has ...... "advice, committees. deputies, and so on."

[Mentat]

Quote: Random

Yes, no ... only flies over the barmalei, who have practically air defense, and a little somewhere and with someone, yes ... more serious .... that's all

“That's all” will come to any aircraft falling within the range of the enemy “more serious air defense”. What do you actually want to say something about?

[Random]

Quote: Mentat

What do you actually want to say something about?

Have you read the article at all? If not, then at least the headline -The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will receive the first domestic drone drone
If you don’t understand anything .. then to you to the "Urya-patriots" .. they will tell her to you and not so ... "tell"

[Mentat]

Quote: Random

I bring to you the idea that "... You don’t have to try to make a" wunder-waffle "from what wink is, but we don’t .." restrain "and" have no analogues in the world "... wink nowhere, unfortunately soldier "

Where did you see the child prodigy, urya, not having? Did you read the article itself? Get involved with excessive alcohol consumption. Because in this case you do not denounce, but vilify, in every sense.

[Mentat]

Quote: Random

Quote: Mentat

What do you actually want to say something about?

Have you read the article at all? If not, then at least the headline -The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will receive the first domestic drone drone
If you don’t understand anything .. then to you to the "Urya-patriots" .. they will tell her to you and not so ... "tell"

Random, it’s perfectly understandable what you are “accidentally” doing here. There are no illusions.
Licensed production, especially when significant changes are made to the product’s functionality, can be called a domestic product (produced domestically). Moreover, no one hides or disputes the origin of the basic licensed model.
If we talk about licensing specifically Israeli and Russian products, Israel called the Galil licensed machine Israeli, and not AK, and Russian.

[Romka47]

I'm certainly glad, I'm certainly a patriot (you can consider it to be URAPATRIOT) But in comparison with the MQ-1 Predator it's just a model from a modeling club

[Wild_grey_wolf]

The modelka performs its tasks, well, it’s cheaper and easier to maintain the traitor. Well, sorry, this is the problem of the traitor and his creators with their brains and hands out.

[Romka47]

The traitor has no problems, this is a formidable machine with powerful weapons, mass-produced and for a long time, has proven itself in many conflicts.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

And this is what you are for, and Outpost is many times cheaper and it also has no problems. Let the Traitor Perform his tasks, and the Outpost perform his.

[Romka47]

I’m afraid of this, sooner or later, the traitor will have the task of killing me, the outpost to kill the enemy, and we have already found out that the traitor bites many times more, then your main trump card is “cost”, but ours is cheaper, but how many do we have? one from the picture is correct, And the traitor has only officially fought since 1997, from the last millennium KARL !, how many of them are already in service with NATO countries? google to help, once again they are already built (no need to buy!) checked some are charged already in the air. And we have only one so far. God grant that we catch up and overtake them, deep down I hope so, but you really need to look at things between us and the abyss is not in our favor. in addition, the mattresses themselves consider the traitor obsolete and are already developing a new

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Gerda The Outpost has its own tasks and it is cheaper. Traitor wants to let him fly, if he is able to overcome defense echelons.
Do not go where you should not and you will not be killed.

[Old26]

Quote: Random

"Military acceptance" is time .... "tie" noodles with wassat throwing
Transmission 22.07.2018/2/10, t / a "Star" - "stands" SENIOR RESEARCH Fellow (!!!!) Research Institute ... bully, by the name of Nesterov wink - in the hangar, where models (sometimes full-size) of American missiles and aircraft are exhibited : wink: and says that "..... they knew about the V-XNUMX XNUMX years before its flight and even then calculated its EPR."? belay
and the journalist, the journalist then asks - "..... yes, well, it can’t be ...", and he says that "..... seriously claims this" wassat
Then the journalist asks - ".... but can you calculate the EPR of an airplane with a wingspan of 10 or 15 m?"
And the "hangar director" wassat said - ".... it doesn’t matter what size the plane, at least 10 thousand meters, does not depend on this EPR, this parameter depends on stealth technology." Belay
After that ... CURTAIN fool

Yes, sometimes they anneal, not without it. In "Carbon Monoxide", too, this was enough

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Of course, it’s better not to transmit at all and not see what they can show.

You won’t believe it, but sometimes it’s better not to really look. Both “VP” type transmissions, and sometimes MO clips sometimes make such a thing that ears wither ...

Quote: VO3A

Why make such a drone strike if the distance from the operator in the depths of its territory is up to 250 km from the enemy? .. This removal is blocked in most cases by self-propelled guns and MLRS .... No need to tell tales about such strike UAVs ... For whom are these regular ravings, completely incompetent people?

Well, about the self-propelled guns and even MLRS, firing at 250 km you are a little bent. In addition, what prevents this unit from barring?

Quote: Gregory_45

with what? The speed of the UAV is small, it does not require licked aerodynamics. The square fuselage allows you to slightly increase the load-bearing properties of the device (the bottom works like a plane), and also allows you to have a larger internal volume. First of all, functionality, in the second - beauty

First of all, the square fuselage is easier to manufacture

Quote: MPN

Considering that there is fuel (time in the air - up to 17 hours), an engine (200 km \ h at H = 5000 m.), Equipment ... According to my estimates, this weapon can carry it ... With the most beautiful the situation, provided that the remaining load is minimized, and then Kg 25 well, let 50 (if part of the equipment is removed and fuel is not added), well, you can hang something like an ATGM.

Paul! The carrying capacity of this unit is 120 kg. But ... In Israel, this is a reconnaissance apparatus. HERMES-450, similar in take-off weight, carries from 2 to 4 ammunition depending on the type. But this MISSILES. And here they are going to hang bombs. What can also add a bomber sight there?

Quote: A vile skeptic

Good afternoon!
Do not tell me how you can estimate approximately the lifting force of the device in order to understand what kind of payload you can count on? And what managed Are bombs in service that will fit into this payload?

To understand what kind of payload he can go the simpler way. Open TTX and see. 120 kg

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Of course, it’s better not to transmit at all and not see what they can show.

You won’t believe it, but sometimes it’s better not to really look. Both “VP” type transmissions, and sometimes MO clips sometimes make such a thing that ears wither ...

Another well, do not listen with your own eyes, watch and evaluate what you see. The more videos, the better and more information is revealed, so as not to guess in the thick.
Perceive with your eyes. If the pull is not enough, then WELL, ONE MORE is better for no transmission. What kind of people are narrow minded.

Surely Old at all.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Old26

And here they are going to hang bombs. What can also add a bomber sight there?

Why didn’t the bombs please you? Or missiles without a "sight" fly? Both missiles and bombs require sighting equipment (at least the same laser target designator) or external target designation. Or do you seriously think that they will hang a couple of small-caliber uncontrollable bombs?

Quote: Old26

To understand what kind of payload he can go the simpler way. Open TTX and see. 120 kg

which also includes sighting equipment, reconnaissance equipment, video cameras, etc., as well as the armament itself and its mount units. To isolate from here the mass of ammunition itself (which interested the questioner) can only be very approximately

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Maybe the engine power will increase, but this is so guesswork, or maybe they will just work out the system, and they will fully use it already on the profile technology.
Immediately there is more power, give the case a different shape, the supporting frame will change a completely different device.

Something like racing cars, outwardly the same, but constantly being upgraded, the layout of the internal and aerodynamic potential is changing.

[senima56]

"... strike drones allow the command to solve many tactical tasks without jeopardizing the lives of its troops ..." - this is the most important thing! Take care of the military! And the piece of iron can be done as much as you like!

[_Ugene_]

And the piece of iron can be done as much as you like!

if you have money, and modern high-precision hardware is very expensive

[Apollo]

One look at this wretched “achievement” of the Russian defense industry is enough to understand that there are no analogues in such a “miracle” of technology in the world.

[_Ugene_]

it’s you who poked a finger into the sky for there is no “Russian defense industry” here - the Israeli Searcher of the 2 nineties of the last century, we even cannot develop this

[Xscorpion]

Quote: VO3A

It’s nice to read the comment of a teapot in which the UAV control operator sits in the trench, even if this trench is already gone, and it measures 250 km from it ... He has military operations in cities, and the MLRS does not shoot further than 100 km and does not have not the slightest idea of ​​modern warfare and advanced methods of warfare ..... Tip: go .... check the tape measure, spade and binoculars ...

For many regions, this is ideal. For example, the Outpost operator sits quite comfortably in Dushanbe inside a military unit in the kung, where there is everything for life, including air conditioning and a refrigerator, which is a big plus for hot regions, and quietly monitors the border with Afghanistan, over 200 km from us. After the appearance of such UAVs, there was no need to monitor the border of 2 Mi-24Ps with an assault from reconnaissance troops on board, which used to come under fire from small arms and MANPADS. Well, you live in the last century. no, we are failing, and these are useless drones that we do not need.

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Then give the guys expensive offensive drones or spaceships no less so that they look super stylish and it was necessary to repair it only in the special service and it cost decently.
Only this is understood.

[shura7782]

Very good news.

[Old26]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Another well, do not listen with your own eyes, watch and evaluate what you see. The more videos, the better and more information is revealed, so as not to guess in the thick.
Perceive with your eyes. If the pull is not enough, then WELL, ONE MORE is better for no transmission. What kind of people are narrow minded.

Surely Old at all.

Listen up! Not tired of all to teach and consider all stupid, and yourself the most intelligent? Believe me, I know how to work with information better than many writers here. But at the same time I do not boast of it. And I have my opinion about what they show. based not only on “cheers-patriotic” programs such as “Carbon Monoxide” and “Military Acceptance”. So, your passage is by. Try to perceive what others write. Sometimes based on my own experience, and not on what we are shown by a zomboyaschik ....

Quote: Gregory_45

Why didn’t the bombs please you? Or missiles without a "sight" fly? Both missiles and bombs require sighting equipment (at least the same laser target designator) or external target designation. Or do you seriously think that they will hang a couple of small-caliber unguided bombs?

Accuracy. Under this UAV, anything controlled from the bombs is unlikely to be suspended. The caliber of these bombs is much higher than the carrying capacity of this device. It’s more profitable to put a slightly modified ATGM on it

Quote: Gregory_45

which also includes sighting equipment, reconnaissance equipment, video cameras, etc., as well as the armament itself and its mount units. To isolate from here the mass of ammunition itself (which interested the questioner) can only be very approximately

Of course. But I think that carrying capacity in order to raise a couple of ATGMs is enough. In addition, UAVs with ATGM can hit moving targets. And what will hit 50 kg unguided bomb?

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Well, apparently you’re not quite sure if you don’t want to take the simple thing, that if the text does not suit you, then get the maximum information from the video image, and do not write that:

You won’t believe it, but sometimes it’s better not to really look. And transfers such as "VP", and sometimes MO rollers sometimes bring such that ears wither ...

Themselves wrote ears wither, the more transmissions the more information.
And you can’t please them alone, they write nothing, it’s not clear, they don’t show it in detail, of course they won’t show it in detail, but the more programs there are, the more opportunities there are to collect complete VIDEO information together.
Since this is not obvious to you, and argue that this is how you know how to work with information. So, MY passage is to the point. And try to perceive what others write. Sometimes based on our experience, and not on what we SPEAK by zomboyaschiku ....

[gromoboj]

Oyyy what.

[Dikson]

It looks like the brainchild of an aircraft modeller - a do-it-yourselfer .. We have a circle at the station for young technicians, there guys make radio-controlled airplanes from .. ceiling tiles. Very similar..

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Well done, your guys are smarter than those who spend crazy grandmothers and come up with unnecessary complex devices for simple tasks.

[ver_]

Quote: Random

Quote: Mentat

What do you actually want to say something about?

Have you read the article at all? If not, then at least the headline -The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will receive the first domestic drone drone
If you don’t understand anything .. then to you to the "Urya-patriots" .. they will tell her to you and not so ... "tell"

... the RF Armed Forces easily get .. lyuley different, surprises - at least wait, at least drop, promises about a * big flock of submarines with VNEU on board .. and other * nishtyakov * ...

[Old26]

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

Themselves wrote ears wither, the more transmissions the more information.

Yes, see at least 150 hours a day what they say on the zombie. It's your right. Just do not teach others what to watch and what not
I prefer to receive information from many sources, without giving preference to any of them. But least of all I trust our beloved TV ...

Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf

And you can’t please them alone, they write nothing, it’s not clear, they don’t show it in detail, of course they won’t show it in detail, but the more programs there are, the more opportunities there are to collect complete VIDEO information together ..

Why should anyone please? Some cartoons and videos especially about new types of weapons give rise to euphoria. Ready to believe every point, every breath of the speaker. for others, it raises dozens of questions, and sometimes they cause persistent rejection of the noodles that they try to feed us on TV. How much have you gathered from two or three stories about the Peresvet laser complex? Showed cuts from one plot. I won’t be surprised if in the near future they will again show a fragment of the plot from the same video. The plot is about nothing ...

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quite old LOOK NOT TO LISTEN TO WHAT SPEAK, do not perceive information at all.
The next time it is possible that something new will appear in the frames about Peresvet, you don’t want to not look, no one is forcing you, do not deprive others of their pleasure, understand more, do not be EGOIST.

[Mentat]

Quote: Romka47

The traitor has no problems, this is a formidable machine with powerful weapons, mass-produced and for a long time, has proven itself in many conflicts.

If you carefully read the site on the subject of drones or at least followed the messages in the media, your horizons would allow you not to make such statements.

I’m writing I don’t know what time (wrote and deployed, with figures for service from Western sources): the current generation of UAVs is a failed economic project. Russia will not repeat it. Calm down already with the traitors and figurators.
In order for this traitor to work, a mass of spacecraft is needed to cover the entire zone of possible military operations, and tsups are needed. Huge infrastructure, requiring constant investment of funds and updating. No country, except the United States, can not afford the heavy UAVs of global action of the current generation. This is money down the drain.
Russia goes the other way, it was discussed (briefly) on the site, there were media reports. If you are already interested in military subjects, maintain your horizons in good shape.