Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?

CEC secretary Maya Grishina told the news agency TASS about when a decision will be made on the possible holding of a referendum in the Russian Federation. This is a referendum on the proposed pension reform by the government, which the CPRF insists on.

According to Maya Grishina, the decision on whether or not to hold a referendum on this issue will be made already this week. Documents representing a request for a plebiscite on the expression of the attitude of Russians to the parameters of pension reform voiced, were submitted to the CEC from the Moscow City Duma. Why precisely from Moscow City Council? The fact is that the first meeting of the regional subgroup on the initiative of holding a referendum was held in Moscow.

What question are the representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation planning to submit to this referendum?

It sounds like this:
"Do you agree with the fact that in the Russian Federation the age giving the right to the appointment of an old-age pension should not rise?"

Now the CEC decides whether the wording is in compliance with the law.

Earlier, the chairman of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov called raising the retirement age in Russia a blow to statehood.

Zyuganov:

I want to turn to United Russia, which is going to vote for raising the retirement age: by your actions you are tearing down Putin’s majority. You tear it down forever, chop the branch on which you are sitting.

Experts believe that a negative decision will be taken on the issue of holding a referendum - there will be a pretext.

In fact, the outcome of the referendum (if the CEC finally approved it) is predetermined. The basis may be the results of sociological monitoring, in which about 92% of citizens opposed the government initiative.

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[parusnik]

Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?-Experts believe that a negative decision will be taken on the issue of holding a referendum - there will be a pretext.

[dog breeder]

Change.org[email protected]> all to help. If there are enough signatures, the appeal will go to the president.

[Logall]

Already signed up! The petition scored more than two million signatures ... And nothing! Only the words of Peskov that the president does not deal with these matters ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Logall

The petition scored more than two million signatures ...

There is another site https://www.roi.ru/42375/ or https://www.roi.ru/42476/. You can vote there too. Just don’t think it’s useless. change.org this is definitely useless, but at least there’s a chance that they will listen.

What question are the representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation planning to submit to this referendum?
It reads as follows: "Do you agree that in the Russian Federation the age giving the right to an old-age insurance pension should not increase?"

With such a formulation of the question, they can do it, citizens will automatically "no" put a daw, instead of "yes"

[Logall]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Just do not think that it is useless.

And I don’t think it is necessary to do something today, tomorrow it may be too late. Damn, I’m not doing it for myself, for children. I can’t even imagine what the government will come up with tomorrow.
They have already thrown us to the funded part, now they want to make their own pensions in the future ... They want to leave only insurance - the minimum ... These innovators!

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

New video about retirement on the topic of the day

[Tatyana]

Experts believe that a negative decision will be taken on the issue of holding a referendum - there will be a pretext.

Most likely it will be so - and here's why. Namely.

In the Russian Federation, there is a massive rejection by the state of its obligations to citizens of the country - that is, what is called government pension reform. And this "reform" is not economic, but purely ideological.
We are told that in the country there is no dominant ideology at the state level. In fact, this is not so - it exists in the system of Russian education (its alma mother is HSE) and it is implemented at the very “top” - both in government circles and other authorities for solving political and economic problems from the side and in favor of those in power .
REFERENCE
Democracy - historically, always from the beginning it was not the power of the people in general, as such, but the power of the ruling class in the country - moreover, in the person of its bureaucracy.

A few years ago, neoliberals in the Russian government Medvelev adopted a strategy for the development of the pension system in the country until 2030. In this strategy, they recorded the replacement of the employee’s earnings upon retirement up to 35%. And this despite the fact that the minimum norm according to the norms of the International Labor Organization is not less than 40%, and in most European countries more!
The replacement rate is the ratio of the average pension to the average employee salary.
That is, the government adopted in advance the strategy that it is planning to bring pensions to 2030% substitution of salaries only by 35. employee, however, the real coefficient in the Russian Federation decreases every year in the Russian Federation.
TOTAL Neither the planning of the government of the Russian Federation, nor its neoliberal pension reform is in any way connected with the objective economic realities of improving the life of Russian pensioners in the country, and this is the total political realization of the ideological principles of the neoliberal pseudo-market leaders who seized power in the country.
And now the Medvedev’s government has said that they will not pay this declining pension replacement coefficient for workers ’salaries — and the workers will retire later, before they reach the old-age pension.
At the same time, the Russian government does not mention at all about any percentage of replacement for pensioners, saying only that the pension as a result of reforms will increase by 1000 rubles every year. But what does this 1000 rubles have to do with the real% replacement of s / n. working man? The neoliberal pseudo-reformers in the Medvedev government have not a word about this. And with this position of the government and its “IMF” experts, Putin himself agrees!

Russia with a foreign head # Yuri Boldyrev Published: July 23. 2018

[hydrox]

Quote: Logall

And I don’t think it is necessary to do something today, tomorrow it may be too late.

So don’t think: Think those who need to do this and they naturally refuse to hold a referendum.
Only this is a double-edged sword and such a decision will become Putin’s not 5, but all 15% of the rating, and such a pace means that even before the end of the year, the referendum is denied and the Duma adopts an “age-based” decision (with the plus of stagnation and price increases) ) he will approach from his 40% to the plinth - and it is very doubtful that he will have the title "unifier of Russia" and "father of the people."

[MPN]

Now the CEC decides whether the wording is in compliance with the law.

It remains to talk about legislation. I will quote my respected forum member VO

kuznec (Michael)

Sorry Michael, without your permission.

Article 55
1. The enumeration in the Constitution of the Russian Federation of fundamental rights and freedoms shall not be construed as a denial or derogation of other universally recognized human and civil rights and freedoms.
2. No laws shall be enacted in the Russian Federation that abrogate or derogate the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.
3. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited by federal law only to the extent necessary to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state.
And now:
1. Does raising the retirement age diminish rights and freedoms?
2. The new law does not fall under paragraph 2 of Art. 55? We had the right to retire at 55 and 60. And where will this right be after the unconstitutional law?
3. If you read paragraph 3, to what extent is the increase in the retirement age "... necessary in order to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, ensure the country's defense and state security."? My answer is only in terms of the “interests of others”. And these faces are a thieving power.

As we see, the constitution has already been violated and are looking for legislation to prevent the violation of the Constitution?

[AUL]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

With such a formulation of the question, they can do it. Citizens will automatically “no” put a daw, instead of “yes”

Well, the main thing is to throw the question right, so that it can be interpreted, how profitable!

"Do you agree that the age in the Russian Federation entitles you to appoint old-age pension insuranceshouldn't rise? "

Think about it ... And if they change the pension system, the insurance will become a minuscule, and the main thing will be some kind of "social" or "state" (they will find what to call) - what will happen? The question must be formulated so that there are no loopholes for all kinds of interpretations!
Well, the very fact that the CEC will be involved in the calculation of votes does not add optimism ...

[76rtbr]

We have the same tricky questions at the annual certification on the use of weapons on tickets, and now you know everything, and with this formulation of the question, you yourself do not trust yourself until you get to the bottom of the matter!

[abrakadabre]

The question should be something like this: “do you agree to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation on raising the retirement age for men to ___, for women to ___...” Something like this.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Logall

Already signed up! The petition scored more than two million signatures ...

This fact, with the subsequent decision of the CEC, will be an indicator of whether any more than 2 million votes have any significance or whether all this voting-petition together with this Change.org and similar sites for voting bullshit is complete.

[210ox]

There was already a similar referendum ... Regarding the preservation of the USSR ... They wiped it off. Good morning, Alexander ..

Quote: Logall

Already signed up! The petition scored more than two million signatures ... And nothing! Only the words of Peskov that the president does not deal with these matters ...

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Logall

Already signed up! The petition scored more than two million signatures ... And nothing! Only the words of Peskov that the president does not deal with these matters ...

Hi Sasha! Like a pensioner (military), I don’t have a topic, but oak advertisements and events to clarify that “lying is better than standing” just infuriates!

[Yngvar]

The simplest explanation is that when a lying bucket stands up, there will be two buckets!
But seriously ... After the onset of a military pension, you did not work? And if the experience worked the same? Then why not? "Social" should still be!

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Yngvar

The simplest explanation is that when a lying bucket stands up, there will be two buckets!
But seriously ... After the onset of a military pension, you did not work? And if the experience worked the same? Then why not? "Social" should still be!

Igor, of course, worked for 15 years, I work now. In 2 months, 60 years will be and will draw up the so-called "second pension" for military pensioners. I’m 1958 and do not fall under the increase in the age of retirement, it so happened that I was lucky .....

[Yngvar]

Good day, Yuri! Also on shoulder straps, two stars and seniority "in civilian life", but the 63rd year of "release". So before applying for a “second pension” another 5 years ... Or never at all!

[Pacifist]

Change.org is a site funded by such wonderful, friendly and humanistic organizations like the State Department, through its front offices. The site itself is built on an idiotic scheme of no voting against.
Want a reaction? There is a site for public initiatives https://www.roi.ru/, it works according to the rules https://www.roi.ru/page/how-it-works/, on it, for example, there is a petition https: // www .roi.ru / 42328 /. Here the government is obliged to respond to them, and not to the State Department’s muddy dumps like Change.org.

[Yura]

Change.org is just a platform (a bulletin board if simpler) on which the All-Russian Trade Union Confederation of Russia posted its petition, collecting 2800000 signatures and already submitted to the State Duma. In general, there are dozens of these petitions, and no matter what resources they are placed on, the result is important, as well as the ability of the resource to ensure the attraction of subscribers.

[milling machine]

Quote: dog breeder

Change.org[email protected]> all to help. If there are enough signatures, the appeal will go to the president.

Yeah, with the same success you can write in sportloto.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: dog breeder

Change.org[email protected]>help everyone

The government is obliged to consider the voting results only from https://www.roi.ru/. There you need to collect 2 million.

[jesus045]

You’ll vote on the state website with authorization through ESIA, and tomorrow they will come for you. So you don’t like the promotion on your head with a club on you. Then a referendum is better.
Heard about stories when Putin wrote questions, and then escorts came after them, supposedly to be deleted. Therefore, at the speech of our commander-in-chief, there are always such kind and warm questions, nothing.

[Hoc vince]

They will hold a referendum, but how will they formulate the question and how will they calculate it?

[parusnik]

Here, here .... A referendum will be held, they will go to meet the "wishes of the working people" ... And then, after counting, everyone will be surprised to know that they voted to raise the retirement age ... And the government will shrug - guys, you they themselves wanted this ...

[Hoc vince]

And if the question is put like this:
“Do you agree that each retiring person should additionally establish a bonus in the amount of XX% of the work experience ...”
How to vote?

[parusnik]

Again, how to count

[Gargantua]

Quote: Hoc vince

They will hold a referendum, but how will they formulate the question and how will they calculate it?

This is out of the question. Even with total falsification, it is impossible to make sure that those who are for the promotion win. More precisely, it is theoretically possible (nothing is impossible in our country), but this will mean the loss of all CEC legitimacy to the people, with all the ensuing consequences. Lawyers will come up with something to prevent a referendum.

[milling machine]

Quote: Gargantua

Quote: Hoc vince

They will hold a referendum, but how will they formulate the question and how will they calculate it?

This is out of the question. Even with total falsification, it is impossible to make sure that those who are for the promotion win. More precisely, it is theoretically possible (nothing is impossible in our country), but this will mean the loss of all CEC legitimacy to the people, with all the ensuing consequences. Lawyers will come up with something to prevent a referendum.

Writing the words of the CEC and legitimacy in one sentence is already a bad idea.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Hoc vince

They will hold a referendum, but how will they formulate the question and how will they calculate it?

146% .. grandmothers are sick of federal channels, a new trend damn .. you need to die during the time, and not advertise "active tsuko old age" after death. furious ... mother 72 barely walks, and these miscarriages, they want to force to work to death.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

furious ... mother 72 barely walks, and these miscarriages, they want to force to work to death.

Officials who have become stronger in power insure themselves so that they can continue to be at the posts, cuts and kickbacks! And the rest of them are purple!
I think so !

[tap]

Leave the illusions. Apart from ourselves, nobody needs us. As Ostap said: "These are the harsh laws of life. Or, in short, life dictates its harsh laws to us."

[Vard]

The referendum will be ... it seems that the authorities did not expect such a reaction from the Russian population ... now, with the help of a referendum, they will save face ... like you yourself decided everything ...

[siberalt]

Putin suggested Trump to hold a referendum in the Donbass (this is not Russia). However, in Russia, the source of power is the people, according to the Constitution, which its guarantor is aware of. And the people, for him, are just an electorate to receive the next mandate for rule. Who will give the people a mouth to open, he’s just a "source", not power!

[ANCIENT]

.As for the referendum, everything will be like in the song "although perhaps no, no no"!

[KLV2018]

Quote: parusnik

Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?-Experts believe that a negative decision will be taken on the issue of holding a referendum - there will be a pretext.

and if you add the question of the resignation of the president?
a good call will be to the leaders of the leader.

[Alf]

Quote: KLV2018

and if you add the question of the resignation of the president?
a good call will be to the leaders of the leader.

Then even references to the referendum will disappear from everywhere, and the health ministers will convince us that this all seemed to us.

[tap]

"request for a plebiscite to express the attitude of Russians" From a plebiscite to impeachment - one step.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: zapfen

From plebiscite to impeachment - one step.

But who will do it, this step ?!

[rocket757]

And the CEC is not a WTC ....
It would be good if all these figures, "servants of the people" and their masters, were also awarded with an E - point and all the rest that they are preparing for us!

[Stas157]

. Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?

And who will count the votes, again VTsIOM? Are multi-million petitions against pension reform, and sweeping demonstrations across the country no longer enough ??

[For example]

Quote: Stas157

will vote count, again VTsIOM?

VTsIOM is not involved in elections and referenda.
What does your "again" mean?

[Stas157]

Quote: For example

VTsIOM is not involved in elections and referenda.
What does your "again" mean?

Change to the CEC, Rosstat or something else ... the meaning will not change! Who counts with us there? Tell us Siri!

[Borisovich]

Quote: Stas157

Change to CEC, Rosstat or something else

Well, you still Levada Center mention.

[Stas157]

Quote: Borisovich

Well, you still Levada Center mention.

I don’t understand the state ones, and even more so your liberal and Ukrainian ones!

[Borisovich]

Quote: Stas157

and even in your liberal and Ukrainian-even more so!

Since when the levada center has become mine and Ukrainian.

Quote: Stas157

I do not understand the state

It is noticeable if VTsIOM and CEC are confused.
The most important thing is to press the post on time. Yes?

[Stas157]

Quote: Borisovich

Since when the levada center has become mine and Ukrainian.

You wrote about him and attributed to me for some reason! We look at the wiki:
Levada Center (Analytical Center of Yuri Levada) In 2016, the organization was given the status of "foreign agent". Yuriy Levada is a liberal from Ukraine. Its center is foreign. What country does he represent, I can only guess, but you seem to know more, so answer this question yourself! So whose is he?

Quote: Borisovich

The most important thing is to press the post on time. Yes?

Do you have a claim against me, or are you just a grumbler?

[Borisovich]

Quote: Stas157

attributed to me for some reason!

My dear, is not this your expression

Quote: Stas157

and already in your liberal и Ukrainian - even more so!

AND????????????

Quote: Stas157

We look at wik

Previously, it was necessary to watch, and not ascribe to the opponent what he did not write
Something like this.

[Litvinov]

The CEC will get tired rather than make such a decision. Otherwise, the government and the AP will have to answer uncomfortable questions a la - "where is the money, Zin?"

[siberalt]

And the CEC has someone to poke. As from above they stick it will be so.

[dauria]

Otherwise, the government and the AP will have to answer uncomfortable questions.

And it’s fun to watch Putin ... Like a cat that walks through the mud and lifts its paws, afraid to get dirty. Dive into the manure, Volodya, do not be shy. It’s your friends who piled a bunch, enough of us to play the saint before us. The deadline is the last ..

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: dauria

And it’s fun to watch Putin ... Like a cat that walks through the mud and lifts its paws, afraid to get dirty.

yes, yes ... it seems ...

[Boris55]

A referendum is money down the drain. Everyone knows the answer - the people are against!
"... I don’t like anything related to increasing age ... ... Why? Yes, because the overwhelming majority of our citizens cannot like it. I mean that the person was planning to retire - or to relax already, or to leave to retire and continue to work, to receive some additional income, - and if this does not happen, then, of course, people don’t see anything good in it. Well, indeed, it is ... "V.V. Putin

[prapor55]

Oh, how well I’ll go and calm my wife, she wanted in 55 and the evil Dimon didn’t.

[Boris55]

Quote: prapor55

Oh, how well I’ll go and calm my wife, she wanted in 55 and the evil Dimon didn’t.

Do not rush. The laws are passed and amended not by Putin, but by the Pro-Medvedev Duma.
And by the way, Putin under the Constitution cannot initiate a referendum.

[prapor55]

I mean Putin is against it, so he won’t sign this law so it turns out? Or, as a result of the discussion, new trends will blow? He once said, “while you cannot touch the main age,” so you can agree on discussions and trends before the Kuril Islands. The people believed the President, the people elected him based on the statements of the President, and if you can’t answer for your words at such a post, the spotted orderly has already shown everything that can happen. By the way, is not Putin all this time creating a clear vertical of power, firm and solid, like the supports of the Crimean bridge?

[Boris55]

Quote: prapor55

doesn’t he sign this law?

He does not have the right not to sign the law - this is his honorable duty. Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 107 n.3 ... it (the law) is to be signed by the President of the Russian Federation within seven days and made public ... There is an option to disperse the government and the Duma - but this is the end of Russia, which they are seeking ...

Quote: prapor55

He once said "while you cannot touch the main age"

He talked about this many times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clQw_CuUe4I&f
eature = youtu.be

Quote: prapor55

By the way, is not Putin all this time creating a clear vertical of power

The state is it or not. The vertical of power in the 90's was broken, each boyar wrote his own laws ... do you need this?

[prapor55]

Is Putin obliged to sign any nonsense that Dimon will slip to him? But is there anyway to send the law for revision? Excuse me, did we choose a president or an honorary signatory? What else is there about the Guarantor’s duties written in that red book, on which he recently laid his hand, and soon he will put something else ?!

[Boris55]

Quote: prapor55

Is Putin obliged to sign any nonsense that Dimon will slip to him?

Yes. Find on the internet the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Reread Art. 107 completely.

[prapor55]

There it is, our poor little sun-faced man can not refuse by law his boyars to rob slaves, and if he drives the boyars away, the slaves will starve to rest and the great darkness will eclipse his sun-faced one, because there will be no one to admire and he will die so sad deadlock must survive, otherwise they will die.

[Boris55]

Quote: prapor55

There it is, our poor little sun-faced man cannot refuse, according to the law, to his boyars to rob slaves

But why did we choose such boyars in the Duma who rob us?

[prapor55]

I did not choose them in the Duma, I wrote a message on blyuten for them put a signature. By the way, where in article 107 written about the honorable duty of the President to sign any anti-people nonsense? Putin's predecessor did not hesitate to veto laws for the people, but there is also an antidote against this. Eh Boris, one must look at life with open eyes. In 1993, Yeltsin arranged the putsch after the lawful removal from power, which is why Rutsky and K. were released, since by law they are not guilty.

[prapor55]

Boris was not too lazy and I read, in the first 14 days it is given to the President to sign or REJECT the law that was approved by the Federation Council, so your idol is not so powerless and if the Constitution is not read off diagonally, it is the Guarantor who should protect the people, he should protect the people of Dimona vanishes. He tells me his heart after his hand, when the shooting ended the other part of the body laid on the Constitution.

[Boris55]

Quote: prapor55

in the first 14 days, it is given to the President to sign or REJECT the law that has been approved by the Federation Council,

You read to the end
n.3. If the President of the Russian Federation rejects it within fourteen days from the date of receipt of the federal law, the State Duma and the Council of the Federation will again consider this law in the manner prescribed by the Constitution of the Russian Federation. If, upon repeated consideration, the federal law is approved as previously adopted by a majority of at least two-thirds of the total number of members of the Federation Council and deputies of the State Duma, it is subject to signing President of the Russian Federation for seven days and promulgation.
Term, to be signed, provides an unambiguous understanding - must sign.

[prapor55]

And who argues that after a second discussion I didn’t ask you about that above. Forgive me more attentively and don’t have to snatch out phrases, it’s bad for you; this is the prerogative of Romanov.

[Boris55]

Quote: prapor55

I didn’t ask you about that

If about this: "... he is popping Dimon’s people ...", then here I cannot agree with you either. It was we (by I understand everyone who came and did not come to the polls) who voted for United Russia (in fact), which would have missed none other than its leader Medvedev to cut the budget.
103 Article. n.1. The jurisdiction of the State Duma includes: a) giving consent to the President of the Russian Federation on the appointment of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;
In other words, without the consent of the Duma, the prime minister cannot be appointed.

[Giants]

Quote: Boris55

The term, to be signed, provides an unambiguous understanding - must sign

Boris, a couple of days ago I suggested you find at least one law or decree signed by Putin. Let's say from 2010 to 2018. At least one document. With signature. Everything that he allegedly signs looks like in the picture. But from a legal point of view, this is nothing.

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Boris55

There is an option to disperse the government and the Duma - but this is the end of Russia, which they are striving for ...

Excuse me, since when is the dispersal of 450 former actors and athletes called the end of Russia? I missed this moment somewhere ...

[Boris55]

Quote: forty-eighth

I missed this moment somewhere ...

Yes - back in 1993.

[forty-eighth]

Have you stopped living in Russia or what?
If my memory serves me, feudal fragmentation, the Tatar-Mongol yoke, troubled times, the era of palace coups, the rise of the Decembrists, the rise of populism, the dissolution of the Duma of the 1st convocation, the dissolution of the Duma of the 2nd convocation, the dissolution of the Duma of the 3rd convocation, dissolution Duma of the RI of the 4th convocation, the February coup, the October coup, 1993 coup ...
And do you seriously think that the dispersal of 450 clowns could threaten the integrity of Russia ?! You overestimate their contribution to statehood.
PS Yes, I still remembered the revolution of 1905. It seems somewhere between populism and the dissolution of the first Duma ...

[Boris55]

Quote: forty-eighth

And do you seriously think that the dispersal of 450 clowns could threaten the integrity of Russia ?! You overestimate their contribution to statehood.

Our enemies learned the lessons of Crimea very well. At the slightest crisis of power, whether it be the dispersal of the government or the popularly elected Duma, the West will immediately finance riots in the capital and in the 24's still dependent republics, oppositionists and nationalists, who will subsequently begin to clarify their borders with blood ...
Putin, as the guarantor of Russia's integrity, cannot allow this. It is for this reason that he does not make sudden movements and turns to the people for help, so that we express our opinion and drive the liberals on the baseboard ... Only in this way can the collapse of Russia be avoided.

[Krev]

+100 to each of your answers.

I remember that 10 years ago, on 08.08.2008, during the presidency of Medvedev, it was enough to arrange the relocation of the headquarters of the armed forces of the Russian Federation to another building, so that exactly at that time Misha would tie attacked South Ossetia and our peacekeepers.
Let no one worry, we will find advisers within the country, tell me when it is best to carry out military intervention.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Boris55

Well, indeed, it is ... "Vladimir Putin.

our FSIN’s mutin ... yes ... light cho ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

our FSIN’s mutin ... yes ... light cho ...

You do not like what he said? Are you for raising the retirement age?

[spektr9]

You do not like what he said?

We don’t like how he restrained himself so as not to neigh when he said “against raising, but it’s necessary”

[Boris55]

Quote: spektr9

We don’t like how he restrained himself so as not to neigh when he said “against raising, but it’s necessary”

It seemed to you. Take another look:

[spektr9]

It seemed to you

And Volodya too

[Boris55]

Quote: spektr9

And Volodya too

And the eyes are sad ...

[spektr9]

Suffering the poor for the fatherland

[Boris55]

Quote: spektr9

Suffering the poor for the fatherland

Yes, tired of him alone for our happiness to fight with the bourgeois. He doesn’t try, but the people will draw everything to vote for them. In general, if we break down on this, the next will be an increase in working time to 12-18 hours per day, without days off and holidays. A transitional option is possible as a general withdrawal of the concept of limiting working time.

[siberalt]

The girls look sadly at Putin and seem to believe him. Something he says about the redistribution of income and their limitless inequality. If our pension system is based on the principle of solidarity, then who allowed the oligarchs to grab a huge part of the income from the merciless exploitation of the workers and to take money out of the hill? How can you raise a pension with such earnings, and a flat tax scale, even if they retire at 80?

[uskrabut]

Quote: siberalt

How can you raise a pension with such earnings, and a flat tax scale, even if they retire at 80?

I completely agree, from the other end, the authorities took up the problem. But those in power have their own concept of justice and decency, therefore the people will always be extreme.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?

I didn’t write a bad word, and the comment has already been deleted, meaning in these "elections and polls."

[Strips]

Of course it will not be decided, since it is not the CEC that decides, but Putin.

Considering that all state media are promoting what it is necessary and important to raise the retirement age, the decision has already been made.

[Boris55]

Quote: Tiras

then the decision has already been made.

By whom? "... Therefore, there is no final decision yet. Only the first reading has passed. No amendments, amendments are adopted. I, of course, will have to listen to all opinions, all points of view on this matter, look at the discussion that will unfold .. . "V.V. Putin

[Litvinov]

..... said "good policeman" and the seething of the masses stopped. ))) But the decision is not made by him. Medvedev's pocket Edro will push through any government in the Duma.

[Boris55]

Quote: Litvinov

But the decision is not made by him.

For so many years he restrained the liberals' desire to raise the retirement age, that it was time for us to support him, to say our word. It was with this that he turned to the people when he said that there was no final decision, everything would depend on the discussion held - who would win it, such a decision would be made.
Everyone who shouts that nothing can be changed is working on Medvedev’s initiative.

[NordUral]

Everyone who shouts that nothing can be changed is working on Medvedev’s initiative.

Exactly! Therefore, it is necessary to force the liberals to hold a referendum with this very wording.

[NordUral]

Following up. The following information caught my eye: Why are we lying about pensions in China
Link: http: //www.km.ru/economics/2018/07/16/polo
zhenie-pensionerov-v-rossii / 827053-pochemu-nam-lg
ut-o-pensiyakh-v-kitae? utm_source = 24smi & utm_m
edium = referral & utm_term = 2626 & utm_content =
1744998 & utm_campaign = 10589
Useful to read, right in the subject!
And a small quote, like a spit of "our" gangster power:

Recently, in the Russian media and even in some scientific publications, when discussing the topic of raising the retirement age in Russia (for men - up to 65 years, for women - up to 63), statements have begun to appear that we should take an example from China, where there is supposedly a big part of the population is not covered by the social insurance system at all.


Photo from pixabay.com

And, in general, the successes of the PRC in the economy are due to the fact that the state and entrepreneurs have almost no expenses for the social insurance system of the population, and only a small part of public servants (primarily staff and workers of large enterprises in the public sector) use the social insurance system .

I must say that such statements are not true.

Currently, most of the population (58,52%) of the PRC population lives in cities. The living standards of the population have noticeably increased not only in comparison with the 1978 year, the first year of the reform, but also with the 2000.

By the average salary of workers and office workers in cities at the end of the 2016 of the year: 67 569 yuan per year, or 5 630 yuan per month (about 56 thousand rubles per month), China has already overtaken Russia (approximately 30 thousand rubles per month), although back in 2010 the lag of China from Russia in the average salary was noticeable: 36 539 yuan per year (about 3000 yuan, or 18-20 thousand rubles a month at the RMB to ruble exchange rate for that period).

As was noted in the documents of the 1th session of the All-China Assembly of People's Representatives (NPC) of the 13 convocation (March 2018), 900 million people are now covered by the social insurance system in China, and 1,3 billion people are covered by various types of medical insurance.

In addition, as part of the fight against poverty, subsidies for the rural and non-working population were increased from 240 to 450 yuan per person per year.

Read more: http://www.km.ru/economics/2018/07/16/polozhenie-
pensionerov-v-rossii / 827053-pochemu-nam-lgut-o-pe
nsiyakh-v-kitae? utm_source = 24smi & utm_medium = r
eferral & utm_term = 2626 & utm_content = 1744998
& utm_campaign = 10589

[Strips]

Quote: Boris55

For so many years he held back the desire of liberals to raise their retirement age.

Poor Putin Held on as best he could

He did not restrain anything - everything that happens is Putin’s direct decision.

What is the discussion? The opinion of the people is already clear and obvious. In some regions, men under 65 do not survive.

Quote: Boris55

work on Medvedev's initiative

Medvedev does what Putin tells him to do. Medvedev is convenient for Putin in that if something can be played once again, Putin is 20 years old good, and everyone else he appoints spoils everything. And it doesn’t matter that Putin puts Medvedev on key posts over and over ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Tiras

Medvedev does what Putin tells him to do.

Blessed is he who believes. If your ideas about power are illusory, then the consequences of such illusions will be quite specific.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Boris55

Blessed is he who believes.

[Boris55]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

wassat

Practice is the criterion of truth. As far as everyone knows, Putin, at least judging by the videos from YouTube, has been defending the existing retirement age since 2005.
The fact that boys do not fall into positions such as the prime minister and president, this is clear to the schoolchild - those who move them stand behind them. For Medvedev - the State Department lackeys, for Putin - local. They have different ideas about the future of Russia. In some positions, their interests coincide - they are for the capitalist path, only one in the interests of the United States, and others in the interests of Russia.
In principle, I do not like the exploitation of man by man. While Putin's restore independence of Russia - I for them, and then - we'll see.

[NordUral]

There will be nothing to watch then.

[Litvinov]

You see, Boris, I’m a realist, but still read fairy tales.))) The tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it .... isn’t it? Here is a good example:

“... - Your Majesty!” Squealed Nushrok, stepping on the king. “It seems to me that you too quickly forgot a kind of history!”
“What ... what do you mean by that, Nushrok?” - shaking his whole body, the king muttered, hiding in the corner of the throne room and blocking his eyes with his palm.
“To become a queen, your great-grandmother executed her sister, but your grandfather took her crown and imprisoned the queen in the fortress!” - Nushrok screamed in saliva. “Your father executed your grandfather to sit on the throne for two years.” Just two years! You must remember: one morning he was found dead in bed. Then your elder brother became king. He considered too little the wishes of his ministers, and you, of course, remember well what happened to him. He went to the mountains and fell into the abyss! Then you received the crown ... Laying the crown on you, we hoped, Your Majesty, that you will never forget about the sad end of your predecessors! Do not forget, Your Majesty, that you have a younger brother who, perhaps, expects ...
“P-wait,” the king interrupted stuttering. “What am I ... should I do?”
“First of all, less often say:“ Such was my will ”, so as not to fall into the abyss in any way, Your Majesty!
- X-well ...
- Remember that you have no will of your own!
“Yeah ... Yes, yes ...” the king muttered.
- We gave you the crown! We are Nushrok, Abage and other rich people of the kingdom. And you must not fulfill your own, but our will! Today, the mirrors beat to death my chief overseer. The culprits were never found. They all act in conspiracy against me, and maybe against you, Your Majesty. Only one thing can stop them: intimidation! And at this time you postpone the execution of the mirror-man Gourde!
- Well, please, let him be executed ... - the girls heard the king's weak voice, which was hidden from them in the corner of the hall by the black back of Nushrok .... "

V. Gubarev "Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors" Chapter 9 1951

[Litvinov]

Well, sobsno, as required:

"The Central Election Commission of Russia postponed consideration of the wording of the issue that the Communist Party proposes to submit to an all-Russian referendum against raising the retirement age. The corresponding item, which was previously included in the draft agenda of the meeting of the 25 commission in July, was deleted, follows from the updated draft published on the agency’s website."
http://skolkozarabativaet.ru/novost-dnya/tsik-isk
lyuchil-referendum-po-povysheniyu-pensionnogo-voz
rasta-iz-povestki /

[Strips]

Quote: Boris55

By whom? "..

Putin

Quote: Boris55

Therefore, there is no final decision yet.

If such powerful propaganda has gone to the mainstream media, then it is unlikely that Putin will appear on a white horse and cancel everything.

[Boris55]

Quote: Tiras

Putin

Where and when did Putin announce his desire to raise his retirement age?

Quote: Tiras

If such powerful propaganda has gone to the mainstream media, then all

But remember the actions of all these media for a long time - they all work against Russia.

[Zubr]

When will the last discussion in the Duma be there? And my suggestion is this. After the last discussion in the Duma and before the bill falls on the president’s table, publish it, with all the economic feasibility, and give three months to discuss it by independent lawyers, economists, sociologists and citizens. Draw a direct line with members of the government and state. Duma. Modifications and pitfalls will be enough. Enough for us VAT, we buy goods at the same price as VAT, and in retail three VATs are turned out of our pocket. Here is such arithmetic. Reforming the pension law is necessary, but for all the calculations and accruals to be transparent and understandable to the common man. But raising the retirement age is not advisable.

[spektr9]

No, do not dare

[Romanenko]

They can calmly, what is it after voters vote?
The result is prepared in advance.
“Against” they will not be allowed to vote, but to vote from 65, from 75 or from 85 years of retirement, choose for yourself

[NordUral]

With this position, it’s better to go straight to the coffin.

[Greg Miller]

There is no reason to hold a referendum, the result is clear to everyone .....

[Zubr]

I do not agree. Now more than ever we need civic initiative. Enough to allow those in power to write social laws and formulate them in such a way that the devil himself breaks his leg.

[NordUral]

And what is clear to you, Swimmer?

[Greg Miller]

It is clear that no matter how the people vote, United Russia will count the votes "correctly" ...

[Loess]

The Communist Party insists on a referendum, so let it be carried out at the expense of the Communist Party ... Only money is ahead.

[NordUral]

And what do you, my friend, do not like the referendum? And according to the Law, which we actually do not have now, the referendum is financed by the State, which we also do not have, but there are organized crime groups in power.
Even if these are financed, they must be forced to, if they do not want to hold or organize a referendum.

[Loess]

Quote: NordUral

And what do you, my friend, do not like the referendum?

I don’t remember something when you managed to rub into my "friends" with me ... As for liking or not liking ... I just do not think this issue is worthy of a referendum. Especially when you consider that many people own the issue only at the level of slogans.

Quote: NordUral

referendum is funded by the State, which we also do not have

If you do not have a state that finances the referendum, then only the initiator remains as a sponsor, i.e. Communist Party.

[Zubr]

You have an interesting position on how to come up with “invent” ridiculous laws, so that robbing people is normal for taxpayer money. Note for the folk money earned by honest work, you are sitting on the pope in soft chairs and for pretty good salaries. And here, having invented yet another stupid thing with raising your retirement age, you are now taking off your personal responsibility for what you did to the Communist Party. Here it is the rotten essence of the majority of United Russia. You are a real organized crime group in law. Wait, you don’t have much left.

[Loess]

Quote: Zubr

you sit on the pope in soft chairs and for pretty good RFP

The chair is rigid, and not a chair, but a regular chair made of consumer goods, and it recently appeared, before that I was sitting on a Soviet one, iron with leather trim not very young dermantine, sn - below the official average for the region.

Quote: Zubr

Here it is the rotten essence of the majority of United Russia.

I am non-partisan.

Quote: Zubr

You have an interesting position on how to come up with “invent” ridiculous laws, so that robbing people is normal for taxpayer money, mind you for folk money earned by honest work

About honest work, you tell the millions of "self-employed" that do not pay taxes. If they paid taxes, they would not have to “invent ridiculous laws”. Something I did not hear from the Communist Party of the proposal for a referendum on the tax on parasites. Probably because the rating cannot be raised in such a referendum.

[Zubr]

Something I did not hear that would approve of the progressive income tax, the government and the EP cut it off, as well as taxes from foreign residents working in Russia. And this is not one dozen trillions of lost taxes. But people are not self-employed from a good life, you yourself know this very well.

[Loess]

Quote: Zubr

Something I did not hear that would approve the progressive income tax,

I approve. Did you hear

Quote: Zubr

as well as taxes from foreign residents working in Russia

I support. You hear?

Quote: Zubr

But people are not self-employed from a good life, you yourself know this very well.

I know, but I think that if there is a stable income, then it is quite possible for a person to get an IP and pay a minimum wage. Moreover, it is not difficult. I see no reason why, from my taxes, the state should provide medical and educational services (including preschool), and in the future also pensions for a person (and his children too) who earn enough to support themselves and their family, but he does not consider it necessary to pay taxes. The tax on parasitism in this case suggests itself.

[Zubr]

There was an article for parasitism, with the union, but it was rarely used. I never remember in my memory.
And please do not confuse the political and economic realities of the union and today's Russia. Pay attention to this fact. Now almost all enterprises with state. Private shareholders participate and sometimes their share reaches 50%. Dividends received from these investments are deposited in offshore banks. The state stubbornly does not want to create favorable investment conditions, what is the reason? They will not get superprofits in Russia, the labor force has risen significantly in our country, they are investing correctly in China. Now about IP. They will reveal how much we have a single imputed tax, 15%, it would seem very pleasant. Assume monthly income 300 THOUSAND. RUB., 45 THOUSAND tax. Let's say 1mile IP 45 billion has opened. Of course the money, and now calculate all the taxes on housing and communal services, the tax on the dual, immovable, drugs, TRANSPORT. What is the result? And we raise this issue in a country in which the largest resources.

[Loess]

Quote: Zubr

There was an article for parasitism, with the union, but it was rarely used. I never remember in my memory.

Do not confuse article and tax.

Quote: Zubr

do not confuse the political and economic realities of the union and present Russia

Yes, I didn’t seem to confuse ...

Quote: Zubr

Of course money, and now calculate all the taxes

“All taxes” is subject to a tax base.
In general, it seems to me, or do you support the departure of the population from paying taxes?

[Zubr]

Not at all, I myself am a respectable taxpayer. But the fact is that you are now focusing on the withdrawal of funds from the people, at this stage of the discussion. And I tell you, where there are quite legitimately withdrawn funds abroad and our government, stubbornly does not want to restore order there and take these 10 trillions from there, and not tear the third skin from the population. Look at Qatar, UAE, SAUDITES. After all, they have nothing but oil. And we are simple law-abiding taxpayers, remember how many times the state robbed?

[Loess]

Quote: Zubr

you accent now

I now focus only on the presence of one of the problems that led to non-popular solutions, and by no means on the withdrawal of money from the population.

Quote: Zubr

Look at Qatar, UAE, SAUDITES. After all, they have nothing but oil.

That's it. They have NOTHING, neither population, nor territories, nor harsh climate, nor fraternal peoples, nor great powers in eternal adversaries. Small countries - small needs. A lot of oil - a minimum of costs. Exactly until the moment when the great powers agree among themselves regarding their future fate. As soon as they agree ... Libya and Iraq also had a lot of oil. Moreover, Libya, unlike Iraq, behaved quietly and calmly. And in difficult times, any state takes not popular measures. Remember the states of the time of the Great Depression, remember the formation of China, the USSR of times of industrialization and collectivization. Hellish labor and no referenda.

[reservist]

Quote: Less

so let him be held at the expense of the Communist Party ...

why not at the expense of the authors of the pension law?

[Loess]

Quote: reservist

why not at the expense of the authors of the pension law?

If only because I am against.

[reservist]

so what ?

[Loess]

Quote: reservist

so what ?

So you yourself answered your question.

[reservist]

those. referenda will still be held for state money ...

[Loess]

if they are ...

[militia2]

It was interesting to get acquainted with the argument that determines the source of the money for the referendum. In this discussion, for some reason, the simple idea that it was not a referendum, but the very question of raising the retirement age, was savagery, immoral nonsense. For example, is it possible to put to the referendum the question of the permissibility of cannibalism in our difficult time? Well, is it crap? Everyone understands that crap! Well, here the situation is similar! The very formulation of such a question indicates trends in the degradation of society. These trends are not only dangerous, they are terrible in their consequences! Isn't that obvious already?

[Mihail55]

There will be no referendum. But September 9, do not cancel. Everything is in our hands...

[Million]

Even if the referendum is held, Putin will win anyway (just kidding). It’s important not how they vote, but how they count. Who will be counted?

[NordUral]

And we, if all go to the polls. But the "count", as it was in all past elections, the mass (real) turnout will not. And in all areas it is necessary to carry out a video recording (with subsequent counting) of the voters (this will determine the real turnout, which will sharply reduce the chance of manipulation.
It is also necessary to fix the stuffing (at 100% or close to this turnout they should not be).
In general and in particular - everything is in our hands and heads. Surrender - the grandchildren and great-grandchildren curse us.

[BAI]

Experts believe that a negative decision will be taken on the issue of holding a referendum - there will be a pretext.

Absolutely right. There will be no referendum. A long time ago, its conduct was arranged with such conditions that a referendum is possible only on command from the top. Any other way is excluded.

[NordUral]

No matter how they dodge, but this gang needs to be forced to hold a referendum. Now they will seek out legal hooks for rejection. This cannot be allowed. This is our last chance to revive the Social State. And we, the people, should not be allowed to circle ourselves around the finger, as was the case in the past elections (to the Duma and the presidential).

[militia2]

A referendum is not a means of changing property relations in society. Therefore, in any case, it will not lead to the revival of the Social State. But tactically it is useful.

[Gnefredov]

Which pervert formulated the question for the referendum?
“Do you agree to raising the retirement age?” - well no.
You can not do it this way? What a hookmaker!

[trophy]

Would you like a referendum? Yeah, now hold your pocket wider! So look at the results of privatization, the salaries of bureaucrats and deputies with senators, and even the holy of holies of the colonial constitution, also for a referendum? Citizens have every right to express their disagreement with the decisions of the godfathers by moving the left toe, but only at the agreed time, in the agreed place, and no more than three pieces (citizens).

[prior]

Again they are cunning ...
The issue of the referendum should be about trust in the government that proposed such a pension reform and the United Russia party that supported this anti-people reform.
Everything is clear with the policy of the authorities towards retirees - this is genocide.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: prior

Everything is clear with the policy of the authorities towards retirees - this is genocide.

is there a decision ?!

[uskrabut]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

is there a decision ?!

The source of funds in the Pension Fund is salary, and the authors of the reform have not said a word about bringing salaries to a normal human level. A legitimate question arises: Are they simply incompetent in this matter or is it pure wrecking activity? In the first case, the authors are driven by a filthy broom for inconsistency with their posts, in the second case - to be imprisoned for a crime against the state.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: uskrabut

and about bringing salaries to a normal human level

but how do you bring them to a "normal human level" in a capital country, it was possible under socialism, under capitalism - NO

[militia2]

There was a time when there was no capitalism, capitalism is not an eternal category, there will be a time when capitalism will disappear.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Militia2

There was a time when there was no capitalism, capitalism

do not remind WHAT was ?!

[militia2]

At your request, I remind you: feudalism was, a slave system was, well, primitive communal.
A more interesting question is WHAT will be? Well, you don’t ask about this, apparently, it’s not interesting, well, okay.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

there was a "normal human level" ?!

[militia2]

No, it was not.
Somehow, my mother-in-law, the kingdom of her heaven, recounted her Sovdep pension for sausage at the then prices (she had a pension of 132 rubles, if I am not mistaken), and then she also recounted her “perestroika” pension at perestroika prices. So it turned out that under the "sovdepi" there was that very "normal human level" that you are asking about.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Militia2

sovdepovskaya

do not insult the country through which we all live

Quote: Militia2

and there was that "normal human level" that you are asking about.

read my post from July 24, 2018 09:58

[militia2]

I do not insult the country. Neither the USSR nor present Russia.
I will not read your post.

[Razvedka_Boem]

The pension system was inherited by Russia from the USSR.
Although many who are so opposed to pension reform, like to denigrate the Union ..
They wanted capitalism, here it is ..

[Nasrat]

The referendum ... Well, what a naive people ... I read comments and marvel ... at the stormy couch!
-----

And Zyugan stirred ... worried about Putin's rating !!!!
The former candidate - Grudinin is silent - and the Communist Party forgot about him
The circus left, but the clowns remained ...
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[militia2]

You somehow look at yourself from the side. Are you not part of this naive people?

[Million]

Something like this, the Medvedev government sees the situation

[Andrey VOV]

Do you know how much the referendum will result in ?? Here ... and then again ah ah spent the money it’s not known what .. stop naive people .... they will raise their age, but I’m sure that it’s not in the option proposed by the government

[prapor55]

Sochi-2014, Mundual is just a gift, oh we raised our image.

[militia2]

And you ask yourself the question - why do all countries fight for these mundiales. The answer is simple - this is not a way of spending, but of making money. It is possible that our managers understood this. There is nothing so special here.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?

what nonsense ?!
What does the CEC have to do with it ?!

[uskrabut]

If the authorities do not sleep the moment and strangle this initiative in time, then everything will go quietly and smoothly. Most likely this will be the case, no one will let you inflate the scandal before the elections to regional thoughts and governors. And the electorate, stupefied by the zombie man, will go to elect deputies from the EP, as they won’t miss sensible candidates from other parties - the scheme has already been tested, for example, the election of the President.

[sib.ataman]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

New video about retirement on the topic of the day

The video is good, inspiring! Yesterday in the news on REN TV they showed the "steel" woman Manya, in 93 I drove on an UAZ along the highway of some auto triathlon there, hanging out like a rag doll, tied to the passenger seat! Well, with age senility becomes more diverse and you can not immediately distinguish senility from the old man's "eccentricity"!

[HMR333]

there will be no referendum, as planned, it’s not necessary to escalate if in Ukraine they did exactly the same thing in Russia and they won’t notice it in comparison with the Ukrainian income and level .... Tolya for this question already clearly explained everything!

[glk63]

I think the solution to the question of raising the retirement age is very simple: increase it by at least 20 years, but the decision should concern citizens born in the year this wonderful decision was made and on)

[bk316]

What ZYu, that the absolute majority in VO, in reality ABSOLUTELY do not understand anything in this matter. And I do not understand, because there is no necessary information and a model of the pension system. The deputies do not have it either, I suspect that it does not exist at all.
Therefore, the government is simply going to grab money just in case, and the rest just use the information line for their own purposes. The GDP, in principle, confirmed this when he said that there was enough money for his presidency in the FIU.
I think that you gentlemen, visitors need to calm down and understand that you DO NOT CALCULATE ANY PENSION, regardless of age, from the results of the referendum and whatever.
And by the way, a very big fault is yours. You shout all the time, then back to the USSR, then we’ll come to our power, we will sue all officials, and this is a pension for decades to come, in this situation, why should the state even take a chance with these pensions? Here you come to power (communists, monarchists, nationalists, liberals) and establish fair pensions for all.
I’m just wondering if there is at least one here in VO who believes in this?

[militia2]

The question is that you pose a crucial one. "At least one here in VO" may certainly be found, but that is not the point. Now, if, as they used to say “the idea will take possession of the masses”, the people will believe in it in droves, then other historical laws begin to work here. And then the matter may not be limited to “fair pensions”.

[Nix1986]

We pose the question more correctly: “Will the CEC decide once again to falsify the voting results”? Well, why sobsno not, it's his job.

[DV Coms]

In all countries of the world, referendums are both unprofitable and uninteresting to the authorities. They consider themselves smarter and more informative than plebs. I hope not everyone agrees with this. Conclusions: The authorities are not just not adequate, they are ready to sacrifice the peoples of their countries for their ambitions for their clan interests. And the second - democracy, freedom of speech and human rights, which the West so praises - a bluff for idiots and imbeciles.

[Altona]

Quote: Boris55

The laws are passed and amended not by Putin, but by the Pro-Medvedev Duma.

--------------------------------
Proputinsky Medvedev and Medvedev are related only to the EP, while the EP is already in the Duma, while Medvedev is in charge of the Government with us. Putin was appointed by him, respectively, and the pro-Putin Duma in the person of United Russia. Not tired of playing the constitutional democrat with the “good king, bad boyars” wiring? All of them are bad, as they express the interests of monopolies and oligopolies, and not ours. As for the referendum and other things. You can certainly go to the clamp of criticism from below and hush up the popular protest. All this is possible. Only the situation will go further along the revolutionary path, the people will demand the resignation of the "pro-Medvedev Government" and Putin respectively, but in general they already demand. Economic demands will turn into political ones. That is why Putin had the same troubled girl to make excuses in Kaliningrad, since his real rating is already 30%.

[glk63]

Of course, I’m not a lawyer, but associations with the “retroactive effect of the law” begs something: “Retroactive effect of the law, retroactivity of the law is the operation of the law or other rule of law in relation to events that took place before the law entered into force.” In this case, the same "event" is the birth of a person. In the criminal law (we have, of course, a different case, but still): "According to the criminal law, the law does not have retroactive effect only in case of deterioration of the legal status of the convicted person." I think something similar should be in civil law, but I could be wrong). I repeat - not a lawyer ...

[Apollo]

There are 2 possible scenarios.
The first is when a referendum will be refused under a far-fetched pretext.
And the second, when the referendum takes place, but its results will be rigged in favor of raising the retirement age.
It’s no stranger to lie and falsify the current government; the past Duma and presidential elections have clearly shown this. Probably the 2nd option is more preferable for the authorities.
Nevertheless, one should not forget that in all countries of the world the question of raising the retirement age was adopted without a plebiscite, but was decided at the level of governments and heads of state.

[militia2]

Perhaps it is as you say. But, it seems to me that "in all countries of the world" these decisions were somehow justified and reasoned. If we look at the statements and evidence of our experts independent of the authorities, then the government does not have a single argument that would somehow justify the usefulness of the proposed innovation and, moreover, they show that it is simply harmful to the existence of society and the country.

[Hadji Murat]

Medveput government resigned !!!

[Altona]

Quote: uskrabut

If the authorities do not sleep the moment and strangle this initiative in time, then everything will go quietly and smoothly.

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Doesn't go smoothly. Or when you take out a million rubles, you don’t feel?

[Mihail28]

The referendum itself will not be. And nobody will offer the right question.

[vladimirvn]

Pensions in the Russian Federation will be indexed from January 1 - Golikova

Moscow. July 24th. INTERFAX - By the second reading of the pension bill in the State Duma, the Government of the Russian Federation intends to amend the procedure for indexing pensions - annually from January 1.
"At this point in time, we have agreed on approaches to the indexation of pensions from January 1 of each financial year, and accordingly, within the second reading, we will propose a different indexation procedure than before," T. Golikova said at a meeting of the Russian Trilateral Commission for the Regulation of Social and Labor Relations on Tuesday.

[Vova Kabaev]

Bloodsuckers from an anti-people government want to thin out populations over sixty.

[militia2]

This is not the only possible consequence of the innovation proposed by the government. For example, this will make it difficult for young people to access the labor market, this will lead to an increase in the profits of the owners (the old person agrees to work for a lower salary than the young, and the price of the goods remains the same, therefore, the profit increases), etc.

[Ivan Ivanov]

The results can be falsified and then definitely not get out. Another hello to all who voted for EDRO, think people head

[Krasnoyarsk]

It is foolish to hold a referendum whose results are predetermined.
Duma thinkers must reasonably prove that there is another way to fill PF without raising the retirement age. And there is such a way !!! It is only necessary to make the government work. And this is the most difficult.

[Vova Kabaev]

So ion work! To your pockets.

[Freeman]

From the article.
Experts believe that a negative decision will be taken on the issue of holding a referendum - there will be a pretext.

Prepositions are already actively sought
According to lawyer Zorin, the election commission has every reason to prevent the issue from being put to a referendum.
Due to the complexity of the law governing financial matters and obligations, the Central Election Commission may consider that this topic is the exclusive domain of the Russian government.

Currently, the issue of amendments to the pension legislation is regulated by the Budget Code of the Russian Federation, in which article 16 on mandatory pension insurance and the procedure for approving the budget of the Pension Fund states that they can only be changed by federal law adopted by the State Duma or the Federation Council. This is a special law, notes Zorin, related to financial circumstances, including raising the retirement age. In the event that the Central Election Commission considers the issue to be the exclusive competence of the government, it could easily reject the Communist Party’s application for a pension referendum ....

[sgr291158]

They will not go to a referendum, because the people will vote against, and this is not included in their plans.

[Zubr]

Loess,
This law will not work for us. In an extreme case, they will do what the state does. They will get a low-paid position, Day after three, somewhere. And they themselves will do their own thing. And so that to conduct their IP, not everyone has the opportunity and ability to conduct business competently.

[prapor55]

Boris55,
YearBoris55,
Well, I didn’t want to start a discussion with you, but what happened, then you turned out to be an ardent adherent of Putin and I could not convince you. It’s just in the light of recent actions that I have developed the entire puzzle about the advent of Putin since 2000. It was Gorbachev2 who was just given guarantees and reinforced concrete, and he will work them out and work out soon. Judging by the speed of decision-making of time, the gentlemen have very little left, they need chaos to get out of the country. And you believe and hope, but they will leave you here. Farewell.

[militia2]

No, this is unlikely. Few people need them, then they hang up on the scarfs in the outhouse, or something else. And greed is likely to overpower. (There, Colonel Zakharchenko could not stop, but he could stop and live quietly and for a hundredth of what was found from him.)

[Zubr]

Quote: Less

Quote: Zubr

you accent now

I now focus only on the presence of one of the problems that led to non-popular solutions, and by no means on the withdrawal of money from the population.

Quote: Zubr

Look at Qatar, UAE, SAUDITES. After all, they have nothing but oil.

That's it. They have NOTHING, neither population, nor territories, nor harsh climate, nor fraternal peoples, nor great powers in eternal adversaries. Small countries - small needs. A lot of oil - a minimum of costs. Exactly until the moment when the great powers agree among themselves regarding their future fate. As soon as they agree ... Libya and Iraq also had a lot of oil. Moreover, Libya, unlike Iraq, behaved quietly and calmly. And in difficult times, any state takes not popular measures. Remember the states of the time of the Great Depression, remember the formation of China, the USSR of times of industrialization and collectivization. Hellish labor and no referenda.

Since you remembered the states, remember when Roosevelt called in moneybags and told them: “if you don’t want what happened in Russia in 1917, 50% came to the state’s treasury” It’s not the people who created the demographic hole, but those who in power.

[militia2]

The argument about Roosevelt is convincing. I think Putin is not dumber than us, in which case he will take advantage of this.

[APASUS]

I don’t know how they can come up with an excuse in the CEC, but we can safely assume that there will be no referendum. The result is already clear from earlier and for this reason the government will only pick up the next minuses, and why should it?
So do not worry, they will accept in a quiet and all!

[Efrem mutny]

They will find an excuse not to carry it out. They crush, with the stubbornness of a herd of donkeys ...
In the meantime, people are dying, already now not living to retirement. My friend died yesterday, whom I knew from school, university, work ... from life. He died at the workplace, having worked an hour of working time ... According to the stories of colleagues, the carriage arrived only at 15 with something ... On a minute, this "service" took 6 hours ... (It takes 15 minutes to get from the morgue to the research institute) And Seryoga was lying, and people were working nearby. He had exactly 3 months before his legal pension. He fulfilled his "duty" to the bourgeoisie completely. Tomorrow is the funeral. Bright Memory of Serge.

[Stoler]

Well, well ... we already had one referendum on preserving the USSR ... They wanted to spit on the people and their Wishlist

[shirkoled]

Надо обязательно провести референдум о повышении пенсионного возраста!!!
И включить туда вопрос о слугах народа и министрах-капиталистах, жирующих на шее народа!!!

[militia2]

И еще один вопрос: "Согласны ли Вы чтобы зарплата депутатов всех уровней шла на лечение тяжело больных детей, а деньги на зарплату депутатов собирали бы по телевизору".

[Radical]

Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?

Никогда! Это может быть прецедентом! Разрешив один референдум, они могут получить требования о проведении других референдумов, гораздо более опасных для власти!

[kunstkammer]

Will the CEC decide to hold a “pension” referendum?

Решится ли? Они что - самоубийцы? Их же сразу экстремистами признают!

[ASASHOKA]

Кричалки в пользу бедных - ничего не поменяется, мне кажется, как было хреново, так и останется. Только бы хуже не было. Может я уже и пессимист...

[ARES623]

Стоит ли у больного с гангреной спрашивать, отпилить ли ему ногу или нет? Он конечно скажет нет и помрет. Кто виноват? Лекарь, знавший как будет, или больной, в чьей собственности нога?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

militia2,

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I do not insult the country. Neither the USSR nor present Russia.
I will not read your post.

вы считаете, что то название которое вы дали СССР не оскорбительно?!
а насчет поста - флаг в руки, барабан на шею