In the footsteps of a fresh demonstration of new products from the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation

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Obviously, following the traces of fruitful communication between President Putin and Donald Trump and to give an impetus to motivating further positive communication, our American "partners" the Russian Ministry of Defense pleased with new clips on weapons from the presidential "gift package for America on March 1". That is, according to aeroballistic hypersonic combat equipment (AGBO) Avangard 15Y71 as part of a complex with ICBMs 15A35-71, hypersonic aeroballistic aviation Dagger rocket, Poseidon combat multi-purpose self-propelled underwater vehicle (Status-6 submarine system), ground-based cruise missile with unlimited range and the Burevestnik nuclear missile engine, the Peresvet laser complex and the Sarmat heavy missile ICBM . And what did we see there interesting and new?

In the footsteps of a fresh demonstration of new products from the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation




Something, in general, was seen, although not as much as we would like, but this is quite understandable, because overseas there are also people who carefully look at such videos, extracting information from there and trying to distinguish it from ". So, the points.



According to Sarmat (the alleged index of the 15А28 rocket) there is nothing fundamentally new in the video. Showing footage of transporting the WPK with a rocket to the silo, where the launch, installation in the mine, and the actual launch launch take place. One of the 3s carried out, although there is an assumption that they were 4, only “partners” could be informed about one launch, as it happens, and not only with “Sarmat”, it was recently with “Yars”, it seems, when NOTAM about There was a launch, but there was no official launch, although some "UFO wrecks" with bolts, according to GOST, did hit the press. At once we’ll clarify that all the Sarmat’s throwing tests were with the launch of the 1-th rocket stage, and not just with the use of the PAD, as such tests usually begin. That is, the developers are so confident in the product that they immediately missed this phase. According to the procedure for installing the product into the mine, nothing particularly new could be seen - and so it is known that for the "Sarmats" there will probably be converted, TPK, left from the XMNX 1518 and 15A18M ICs - approximately one diameter, the same mines, the dimensions are similar, in vain to spend money?

Also shown are old shots from the workshops where Sarmat is assembled, where only narrow specialists can admire a high weight culture of parts, and non-specialists will certainly notice that the names of machine tools and other equipment are smeared in the video. Sanctions, we will not substitute good partners.

But encouraging news is that throwing launches are no longer assumed, the tests go to the flight design stage. The infrastructure for such launches has already been created at the Plesetsk test site and everything is almost ready, so let us reserve patience.



In the video with Avangard, the actual video frames shedding light on something new. On which ICBMs will be initially (later, obviously, on the Sarmats grouping part), the Avangard AGGB is not a secret, these are 15А35 (УР-100НУТТХ), the third-generation ICBM, with this appendage which immediately became the fifth, if not the sixth, complex generations of BRK - combat missile systems of the Strategic Missile Forces. But not a simple 15А35, because they have for many years and can only use them for testing and combat training, and more than three dozen 15А35 purchased at the beginning of 2000's in Ukraine for debts. In the "dry" preserved state, without fuel, that is, all these years the rockets have not "ticked" their age, and they will stay in the silo for a long time, being "rocket special forces" of the Strategic Missile Forces and frightening "partners" with unpleasant consequences. The wisdom and foresight of our military-political leadership in such matters admires. After all, they were certainly purchased for this use, because all these years they were modestly lying in the arsenals and waiting in the wings, and not to "replenish the rapidly thinning rocket group," as the experts wrote then. True, the AGBO itself used to be different, but not so important. Interestingly, our leadership was not so far-sighted with questions of ensuring independence from that Ukraine on shipboard GTDs, although the fact that the situation in the current “wild territory” was heading for something bad — many people, including the very top, understood for a long time and were preparing. Why did this happen?

But in the animation itself (of poor quality, but everything is clear - or you have access to such secrets, but you are not able to make high-quality animation, because you are not so good in the service, or you can, but you cannot see the admission as your ears without a mirror) in the video with the flight of the Avangard Aviation Guard, one moment attracted the attention of the target - it was specifically stated that the Anti-Bomb Canard was able to bypass the zones, in general, it was not a scary missile defense system, using signals from the satellite constellation. That says that the tasks of communication with the device, flying in a dense plasma cloud, are solved by our developers. By the way, this hints that the tasks of targeting a target from such a "cocoon" of plasma for our hypersonic CRPs or CDs and other AGBOs are also completely solvable, namely, in the past few months, they like to point out different unfamiliar comrades in the vastness of informaspace , gentlemen, but most often the same pans.



According to "Poseidon", they finally showed him himself, "without clothes" in the form of a container or something else. Self-propelled underwater vehicle (SPA) "Poseidon" - it continues to be stubbornly called so, obviously because it clearly assumes a significant number of types of combat load, such as thermonuclear warheads of special power for the destruction and pollution of large coastal areas, or large warheads or medium power against ship groups (as was shown in the video) or non-nuclear ones in general, probably, a load in the form of mines or some kind of self-propelled modules with a load, or in general reconnaissance equipment is possible. That is, it is a universal apparatus, and the system itself is called "ocean multi-purpose", including at least two nuclear submarines under construction, the Poseidons themselves and various other underwater Dronesboth reconnaissance and combat. So, he certainly inspires respect with his size. And it is surprising that the data, previously "illuminated", about the caliber of this super torpedo (1500-1600 mm), judging by the video, are incorrect - the real caliber is probably closer to 1800-2000 mm, but the length is just not very different from the declared earlier - 24-25 m. The larger caliber is probably due to the fact that the reactor compartment or the engine compartment came out more overall. Although, according to the video frames, it seems that the overall layout roughly corresponds to the one at that memorable presentation, "accidentally" highlighted at the Security Council of the Russian Federation, and which for a long time was not believed by many either here or in the West. And in vain - Russian propaganda is so deceitful and shameless that it is she who must be believed. Unlike never lying Western media.



About "Dagger" was only recently written, so I will briefly note a number of details. It was reported that the squadron of MiG-31K fighters is in combat-duty duty in the Southern Military District, including performing scheduled flights on duty over the Caspian Sea (maybe over the Black Sea, too, but not told). More than 350 flights have already been performed, including 20% with in-flight refueling (in a previous publication it was suggested that MiG-31B aircraft were used for rework, possibly BM / BCM, as well). The numbers of the cars on the video were covered up, as they could, why - it is not very clear, because many were already glowing and the cars were Ahtubins. Moreover, flights within the framework of duty for non-nuclear strategic deterrence forces were carried out precisely from April 2018. And then it was just the case that could well reach a direct clash with the United States in Syria, so the Daggers were expected to be included in the list of response measures, or rather, their probable application. What already says about the combat readiness of the new weapons. Together with the crews of the Long-Range Aviation, a flight tactical exercise was conducted with the development of practical actions to destroy ground and sea targets. In the course of this exercise, questions of planning, preparation and joint use of the Dagger airborne missile systems and long-range Tu-22М3М missile-carrier bombers, as well as fighter air cover for the actions of the air strike groups, were worked out in detail. Moreover, the flight is shown jointly with the MiG-31K along with the Tu-22М3М bomber with the X-32 anti-ship missile. Obviously, practicing the tactics of sharing, let's say, first, the most dangerous targets are attacking from long range with the MiG-31BK, and then with a smaller one - “Tupolev” with X-32.



The video about the “Petrel” cruise missile of unlimited range also turned out to be quite interesting. According to flight tests, there was nothing new, but they showed TPK with another version of the new rocket. Apparently, this is not quite the same rocket that was shown earlier - the nose of the rocket has “chopped” forms characteristic of measures for reducing EPR, like in ALCM X-101 / X-102 and, presumably, in X-50 (X -SD), as is happening from them. Apparently, on the first prototype, the layout, various solutions, the very possibility of flight of such a revolutionary structure as a nuclear rocket launcher with a nuclear engine, were worked out. A new - closer to the serial product. This, in fact, says the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation.

Currently, the creation of a cruise missile of unlimited range is carried out in a planned manner. Based on the updated requirements, the design of the missile components is being improved, their ground tests are being carried out, flight tests of experimental samples of a cruise missile of an improved design are being prepared. At the same time, technical means for preparing and launching are being developed, technological processes for manufacturing, assembling and testing the rocket are being improved. The complex of works being carried out allows to proceed to the creation of a fundamentally new type of weapon - a strategic complex of nuclear weapons with a rocket equipped with a nuclear power plant.


TPK new rocket is also interesting. And its form, and much more - its fasteners. Which are probably unified with a number of available self-propelled wheeled launchers, including obsolete ones, they will be removed from service and good will not be lost. But it is absolutely clear that the “Petrel” is still far enough away before being put into service.



The “thing in itself” itself remains the same Peresvet combat laser complex, which is already in the army.

Currently, the Peresvet laser complexes received by the troops have been deployed in the places of their deployment, and active work has been organized on the development of new weapons. The necessary infrastructure has been prepared for combat duty at locations of deployment, and special structures have been erected to house equipment and shift shifts. The personnel of the units equipped with the Peresvet combat laser complex have been retrained on the basis of the Mozhaisky Military Space Academy and are currently improving their professional knowledge and skills in the classroom for special, technical and tactical training.


The fact that the complex is in the Space Forces (VKS) hints at its combat mission: the defeat of the spacecraft of the enemy’s orbital grouping is probably primarily the specific reconnaissance and space echelon systems of the missile attack or missile defense warning system. Should he destroy them? Not necessarily, disabling the hardware is enough. But, given a number of assumptions about the power and power source of this complex, the power and the destruction, at least in low orbits, may suffice.

So far, all that can (or is) to say as shown, waiting for further disclosure of cards.
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  1. +5
    23 July 2018 06: 26
    Well, what kind of power should the laser have in order for satellites to be knocked off the earth !? % 0
    1. +12
      23 July 2018 07: 21
      Quote: foxhound
      Well, what kind of power should the laser have in order for satellites to be knocked off the earth !? % 0


      They told you: "We look forward to continuing."

      The series "How to overtake America in armament."

      But I’m only interested in another series - "How to beat America's economy"!

      And not animated series about salaries and pensions ...
      1. +11
        23 July 2018 13: 56
        As a beloved “daughter of an officer, Crimean,” I advise you to carefully read the title of the article. You didn’t get there, look for information on the topic “how can we overtake America economically”.
      2. +6
        23 July 2018 15: 02
        If we do not overtake in armaments, then there is nothing to think about and you will catch up with / overtake in economics. There may be no economy at all.
      3. +4
        23 July 2018 21: 40
        Quote: Titsen
        But I’m only interested in another series - "How to beat America's economy"!

        Why overtake her?
      4. 0
        11 September 2018 23: 16
        How did you get it, liberal trolls! If there is no strong army, there will be nothing! You already showed your face in the 90s when you "feasted on other people's bones" with the alcoholic Yolkin and plundered what was left of the USSR!
    2. 0
      23 July 2018 09: 13
      Quote: foxhound
      Well, what kind of power should the laser have in order for satellites to be knocked off the earth !? % 0

      not important.
      but he has no analogues.
      1. +13
        23 July 2018 09: 19
        Quote: KLV2018
        but he has no analogues.

        Enviously?
        How are mortar calculations? Well, the very ones that you rivet in Ruin?
        1. +2
          23 July 2018 09: 50
          Quote: The Swordsman
          Quote: KLV2018
          but he has no analogues.

          Enviously?
          How are mortar calculations? Well, the very ones that you rivet in Ruin?

          digging a new sea.
          1. +3
            23 July 2018 15: 58
            Quote: KLV2018
            digging a new sea.

            In the place of Poland? With access to the Baltic?
            1. 0
              23 July 2018 17: 26
              Quote: Tartar 174
              Quote: KLV2018
              digging a new sea.

              In the place of Poland? With access to the Baltic?

              Yes, and in the form of a fork.
      2. +4
        23 July 2018 13: 58
        Yes, you are right, there are no analogues. And in your kingdom (judging by the flag), it is not foreseen. A small laser pointer has repeatedly blinded pilots to land aircraft. It is a fact.
    3. +4
      23 July 2018 11: 15
      why bring down - it is written that "defeat". You can joke about the fact that the satellite was so amazed that it itself fell out of laughter, but everything is simpler - incapacitation of the surveillance equipment, it is extremely sensitive. Let the blind fly on. But there is another difficulty - for such a shot you need a clear sky and such conditions are quite rare. I am not sure that the system will have any real meaningful effect.
      1. +3
        23 July 2018 12: 35
        for 300 km, a laser in the Earth’s atmosphere may well operate under a cloudless sky if it has real megawatt power, as rumored "Relight", with nuclear pumping.
        1. +2
          23 July 2018 13: 06
          Quote: shans2
          for 300 km, a laser in the Earth’s atmosphere may well operate under a cloudless sky if it has real megawatt power, as rumored "Relight", with nuclear pumping.


          Of course it can - if you create it with a capacity of several megawatts, it will be the size of a 2-3-story building + guidance system.
          1. +9
            23 July 2018 13: 45
            the “overexposure” includes at least 4 machines .... and nuclear reactors back in the 60s of 2 megawatts of electric power fit on a tracked chassis ...
            1. +4
              23 July 2018 16: 03
              In Relight, the principle of clearing the canal in the atmosphere before a striking shot can be used .... A double shot is so tandem.
            2. +3
              23 July 2018 19: 37
              what nafig delusional nuclear reactors ?????
              what the ... squalor in your head?
              For 30 years there have been non-nuclear, quite compact MHD generators that give out close peak power. The Americans stole this technology and stuck it on a Boeing with a laser. if you say something, at least first suppose, suddenly you are wrong. In addition, in the 80s at once in several laboratories developed non-nuclear explosive systems.
            3. +1
              24 July 2018 11: 23
              Quote: shans2
              the “overexposure” includes at least 4 machines .... and nuclear reactors back in the 60s of 2 megawatts of electric power fit on a tracked chassis ...


              Only biological protection was not, because it weighs more than the reactor itself every 5
            4. +3
              24 July 2018 11: 51
              Quote: shans2
              the “overexposure” includes at least 4 machines .... and nuclear reactors back in the 60s of 2 megawatts of electric power fit on a tracked chassis ...

              Here you are funny in your technical illiteracy.
              For the sake of curiosity - take an interest in the size of the resonator, focusing optics and cooling system for lasers of the corresponding power.

              The optics and the size of a particular laser indicate that its power is several tens of kilowatts of 20-50, that is, its purpose is to burn light drones at a range of 1000-5000 m at best.

              And about the container nuclear installation - neighing.
              Almost all existing plants are nuclear-powered steam locomotives that realize energy output through heating the coolant and are driven through turbines of the appropriate size (please note the size of the megawatt installation :))).

              By the way, one Peresvet container on the chassis - this is a 500-750 kW diesel generator - this does not mean that all the generation power goes into the shot - from about half to a third, they use supply and cooling systems.
              No fool will make a nuclear power source for a ground-based laser - it is fraught with contamination of the area when the power plant is damaged by conventional ammunition.
              To do this, there is a DGU, or chemically pumped lasers (but they strongly flash in the IR range. Therefore, DGU as an option for military use is the most acceptable.
        2. -2
          27 July 2018 00: 25
          Yeah, only the little ray at the end will have a spot the size of a bus.
      2. 0
        23 July 2018 13: 31
        Or maybe, as an addition to the system, in secret from everyone, they are developing a climate control system in the area of ​​the laser location? And then this system will turn into a climate weapon, which it will unexpectedly demonstrate in some message ...
  2. +13
    23 July 2018 06: 53
    But in the animation itself (of poor quality, but everything is clear - either you have access to such secrets, but you do not know how to make high-quality animation, because you are not at the service, or you know how, but you cannot see the admission like your ears without mirror)

    Rave. In order to make an animation, you don’t need to know any secrets - the representative of the Moscow Region gives a drawing of a weapon (which, of course, shows only what is not secret) and explains the desired plot - the studio makes an animation.
    1. +4
      23 July 2018 09: 08
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Rave. In order to make an animation, you don’t need to know any secrets - the representative of the Moscow Region gives a drawing of a weapon (which, of course, shows only what is not secret) and explains the desired plot - the studio makes an animation.


      But is it necessary, high-quality animation?

      We are not talking about advertising, who needs to understand ...
      1. +5
        23 July 2018 11: 46
        Quote: bulvas
        But is it necessary, high-quality animation?

        Naturally - this is the same effect on the electorate :))
  3. +4
    23 July 2018 06: 55
    I think this is a fake. An attempt to force the United States to spend money on the development of new weapons
    1. +2
      23 July 2018 09: 07
      Quote: Stepych
      I think this is a fake. An attempt to force the United States to spend money on the development of new weapons



      50 / 50
    2. +3
      23 July 2018 10: 19
      Quote: Stepych
      I think this is a fake. An attempt to force the United States to spend money on the development of new weapons

      ======
      And WHAT exactly - "Fake" ??? "Vanguard", Petrel, "Poseidon", Relight "," Dagger "??? WHAT EXACTLY ??? Or ALL CHOCHOM ???
      1. +3
        24 July 2018 14: 22
        It’s easier to say that it’s not a fake: “Sarmat” and “Dagger”. They will be put into service in the amount of several tens each.
        The rest will remain in the form of prototypes.
    3. 0
      23 July 2018 10: 45
      Their money is not limited, we will only push them to invent new weapons that will be directed against us.
    4. +1
      23 July 2018 14: 21
      It looks like a mirror repetition of the situation of the 80s with cartoons about SDI wink
  4. +6
    23 July 2018 07: 25
    The very “thing in itself” remains the same combat laser complex “Peresvet”, which is already in the troops ... The fact that the complex in the Space Forces (VKS) hints at its combat mission: the defeat of the spacecraft of the enemy’s orbital group, probably, first of all, for the special reconnaissance and spacecraft of the missile attack or missile warning system

    Can the Yak-152 also shoot down satellites?

    He is also in the videoconferencing!
    Kill me cat backwards, and such "experts" write articles ...
    1. +4
      23 July 2018 09: 24
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Can the Yak-152 also shoot down satellites?

      Quite. If the satellite is lowered to an acceptable height, and a machine gun of the Maxim type is put on the plane, then why not? laughing
      1. +2
        23 July 2018 17: 57
        That is not! This is not an armored battleship.
        Only they can shoot down satellites
    2. +2
      23 July 2018 10: 18
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Can the Yak-152 also shoot down satellites?

      ========
      Of course it CAN !!! If they (satellites) fly "low low"!!! And most importantly - not in a hurry !!! bully
    3. MPN
      +2
      23 July 2018 16: 16
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      He is also in the videoconferencing!

      Andrei hi Actually, this meant training specialists at the Academy. Mozhaisky, they are training specialists for the space sector there, my son was finishing it ... hi
  5. +3
    23 July 2018 09: 35
    That's it ... Shiver, adversaries! You give high-quality animation, so that the enemy stutters in horror!
    And in the case: we’ll glue one copy of all Poseidon and petrels ... In order to cause terror. But let out and put into service alas ... Not at all, no one and not at all.
    1. +4
      23 July 2018 13: 34
      Other videos are not watched, only with the Petrel. But I counted 3 rockets in it: 2 in containers and 1 are simply covered with a rag. So your words with one copy are no longer consistent.
      1. +1
        23 July 2018 14: 53
        And covered with a cloth so that people did not laugh? And in the containers, are you sure that there are the indicated petrels? I doubt, for some reason ...
        1. +3
          23 July 2018 16: 09
          Quote: AleBors
          I doubt, for some reason ...

          I don’t doubt for some reason ... Maybe I saw the signature of Putin himself on the fairing, I don’t know)))
          1. +1
            23 July 2018 16: 51
            You have exceptional vision! Congratulations.
    2. +4
      23 July 2018 13: 51
      you heard a lecture "Alebors" on the possibilities of the ruined military-industrial complex of the former USSR)
      1. 0
        23 July 2018 14: 47
        Do you pay deflections in the administration of GDP?
        1. +3
          23 July 2018 15: 14
          I accurately identify individuals with the Soviet flag, under my shame in Ukraine-Israel? Well there is a proxy ....
          1. 0
            23 July 2018 15: 15
            What self-confidence ... So, you were mistaken. I am a Muscovite. Root. With such intuition, try to work in Roshydromet ...
            1. +6
              23 July 2018 15: 17
              all here are indigenous Crimean women ..
              1. 0
                23 July 2018 16: 07
                The main tenacity? Or stubbornness? request This is the advantage of small draft cattle ...
  6. +3
    23 July 2018 10: 06
    The author thinks in terms of binary logic and is deeply mistaken that in these video materials and in general in everything said there is no useful information for analysts. When you own the methods of working with big data, there is no need to spend money on your own emotions on certain aspects. Therefore, on the topic, we can say that in any projects there is no real breakthrough in technology or in the application of new physical principles. In other words, the energy of the processes has remained the same and ineffective. At the same time, an analysis of the work shows how and in what direction the thought of the chief designer and his team works.
    1. +7
      23 July 2018 11: 29
      stop talking nonsense about the methods of working with big data.
      As for the development, you obviously do not understand that sometimes small changes in the performance characteristics are associated with a real technological breakthrough and simply do not notice it.
      For example, the f-35 radar has a layout density of almost twice that of the f-22 or the mig-31.
      and this is not just “improvement”, it is a whole series of steps forward - the Americans not only stole our design technology and copied its application, but also began to develop further and the results have already been applied. By the way, not without the help of physicists who went there. I even knew a couple of these. It is impossible to notice such trifles without knowing the technological niche in detail and no analysis of "big data" will help here.
      1. 0
        23 July 2018 11: 58
        You are absolutely right in that small little things can sometimes radically change the whole balance of the process. At the same time, you respected think the category developed in the USSR that in the Soviet Union there is no sex. So the discussion of mathematics and the analysis of high potential processes in you is based on mathematical technologies for the analysis of low potential physical processes. Understand me correctly that to see the real world means to see and accept absolutely everything that is obvious to our potential perceptions and what we can allow in our thoughts. Therefore, a person perceives information only within the framework of perception parameters.
        Now on a specific topic. In one frame there is an engine element. So, in the process of changing the direction of movement of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow, this flow is "shifted" as shown by Schauberger. In the technical solution that the turbulent flow is applied, it cavitates, which means that its pressure parameters are lost. Therefore, for rocket engines such processes have an extremely negative effect. I will give another example from the animation, in which it is very important in which direction the screws of the underwater vehicle rotate. And this despite the fact that the screws are generally not an effective propulsion system for the complex of physical properties that accompany the process of its rotation. I can give a dozen more examples of illogical solutions in these examples.
        1. +5
          23 July 2018 12: 36
          Dear "gridasov", let’s drop your "pseudoscientific" escapades already !!!!! You begin to resemble a character from a "bearded: joke:" ... Probably a smart person - he speaks for a long time, beautifully, and most importantly it is not clear ABOUT WHAT !!. "
          The main point of ALL your comments is to show: "Ah, WHAT Я CLEVER"!!!!
          And in essence - NOTHING!! hi
          1. +2
            23 July 2018 18: 09
            Sorry, the categories of binary logic are “YES” / “NO” or something else? By the way, the meaning of your remark about the absence of sex in the USSR is binary logic or not?
            And then, who told you that the products shown, well, except for Sarmat, is that what flies and swims? And where did you see the “engine element” in the video?
            With your in-depth knowledge and experience working with "high potential processes", the difference between the "engine" and the "mover" must still be understood.
    2. 0
      16 October 2018 11: 20
      Quote: gridasov
      The author thinks in terms of binary logic and is deeply mistaken.

      Give the ternary logic soldier
  7. 0
    23 July 2018 10: 42
    Quote: foxhound
    Well, what kind of power should the laser have in order for satellites to be knocked off the earth !? % 0

    In general, the power should beat no more than the power of an airplane or a space laser capable of knocking off ballistic missiles. He will not be able to shoot down satellites, but he is capable of damaging them.
    1. 0
      23 July 2018 12: 02
      The efficiency of a laser beam as well as a water jet is determined not by power, but by the algorithm of the scattering and compression process, so that when it comes into contact with an object, this algorithm is precisely in the process of beam concentration
      1. -1
        23 July 2018 12: 38
        Quote: gridasov
        The efficiency of a laser beam as well as a water jet is determined not by power, but by the algorithm of the scattering and compression process, so that when it comes into contact with an object, this algorithm is precisely in the process of beam concentration

        ======
        Bla-bla-bla ...... (!) bully
        1. +2
          23 July 2018 18: 15
          I understood! spoils satellites is not a laser beam. Kills the rocket algorithm.
          It doesn’t matter what we fly into space; the algorithm is important.
          "... It’s not vodka that kills people; water is kills people! ..."
          Although, in fact, that is true!
          1. +1
            23 July 2018 18: 27
            Quote: Vlad.by
            It doesn’t matter what we fly into space; the algorithm is important.
            "... It’s not vodka that kills people; water is kills people! ..."

            ======
            good drinks BRAVO!!!!! hi
  8. +1
    23 July 2018 10: 49
    One thing is clear that at the heart of all this is the great scientific school of the USSR and the quality education of Soviet schoolchildren.
    That a combat laser that a rocket of unlimited range is impossible without a compact energy-intensive nuclear reactor, and therefore without breakthrough developments of Rosatom.
    1. 0
      23 July 2018 12: 08
      The question is not even in the engine or reactor of energy, but in the technology of ensuring and minimizing the resistance of the medium to the process of moving an object in it. The path that engineers take and increase the energy intensity of engines is only half the task. It is necessary to harmonize this energy into the used process of minimizing resistance. And this is a whole range of tasks. Therefore, you must first understand how to mathematically solve complex problems, and only then proceed with their development. Why? Because it’s like a torn blanket.
      1. +1
        23 July 2018 12: 51
        Quote: gridasov
        The question is not even in the engine or energy reactor (!!! fool , and in the technology of ensuring and minimizing the resistance of the medium to the process of moving an object in it.

        =========
        You, Batenka, seem to have invented YOUR OWN "mathematical" theory of analysis of physical processes, but YOU WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED, and you rushed to the VO forum ????? request
        1. +2
          23 July 2018 13: 29
          I didn’t rush anywhere and it’s not for me to decide how events will develop. I don’t need any confessions. And I am at the VO forum only because there are a lot of smart people on this site who, at least, understand the connection between theory and practice. At the same time, I do not impose anything on anyone or boast.
  9. 0
    23 July 2018 11: 19
    about the reservation in the article about the solved communication problem
    it is specifically indicated that AGBO can bypass zones of a generally non-fearful missile defense system according to signals from a satellite constellation. Which suggests that communication tasks with a device flying in a dense plasma cloud, our developers resolved

    There are a lot of ways of such a connection. But I don’t remember something, so that at least one of them would be successful enough for the rapid exchange of digital information. It seems to me that the author of the article suggested nonsense and the explanation is different.
    1. 0
      23 July 2018 12: 15
      I will not tell why the plasma or its “cloud” does not pass the radio signal of one or another parametric data. Therefore, I just say that the plasma just needs to be included in the "circuit" of the transmitter and receiver. Then, according to this principle, it is possible not only to expand the range of received signals from deep space, but also to receive a signal from the depths of the local spaces of the atmospheres of various planets
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        23 July 2018 12: 41
        I repeat - there are many ways to send and receive a signal.
        but there is no way to make a stable connection that can convey something at least at the level of Morse code and with sane speed over a long distance.
        You are talking about “incorporation” into the plasma circuit, but do you realize that technology is simply not ready to control this “circuit”? And a separate question about the energy intensity and complexity of the transmission itself. As for the reception itself, I don’t understand at all how to use the plasma field - the sensitivity of this formation is simply zero, registration of changes from weak effects, focusing of the signal, in my opinion, is simply impossible at the current level of technology.
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          23 July 2018 16: 44
          Quote: yehat
          You are talking about “incorporation” into the plasma circuit, but do you realize that technology is simply not ready to control this “circuit”?

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          Excuse me, but you are a SPECIALIST ???? YOU EXACTLY KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY NOT READY??
          Almost 40 years ago, I visited the International Exhibition of Scientific Technologies in Kiev (called "Science-80") .....
          Among other TOTALLY INCREDIBLE Exhibits I remember the British device for measuring electrical characteristics (current strength, voltage, resistance, field strength ... etc ..... Nonsense like - Well, "tester" .....
          The problem was one thing !!! This "canoe" (the size of 2 "diplomats") produced results accurate to ....... 9 (Ninth decimal places) !!!!!!!
          It's been almost 40 years .... you think Science and Technology "STAND ON THE PLACE" ????? fool
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            23 July 2018 19: 39
            there is no science, no technology. just a more successful device, created on the basis of long-known principles. Do you know what plasma is, if you think you can control it?
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        23 July 2018 13: 02
        Quote: gridasov
        I will not tell why the plasma or its “cloud” does not pass the radio signal of one or another parametric data. Therefore, I just say that the plasma just needs to be included in the "circuit" of the transmitter and receiver.

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        Same thing - but in NORMAL language:
        Electromagnetic waves can affect the parameters of the plasma, and accordingly, by measuring its characteristics, it can be used (a plasma) as a receiving antenna .... As a transmitting antenna, the same (but for this it is necessary to place a very powerful source inside the "apparatus" surrounded by plasma AMY..... fellow
        "Gridasov" - BE EASIER!!!! and "the people will reach for you" ..... For, as one friend of the Academician (USSR Academy of Sciences) said: "To explain a SIMPLE problem in a most complicated way - ANY can be foolish, but to explain a COMPLEX problem in a SIMPLE way - it can ONLY REAL SPECIALIST!! hi
        1. -1
          23 July 2018 13: 37
          it’s true, only I don’t understand how the source of Amy will not destroy the rocket.
          1. +1
            23 July 2018 16: 50
            Quote: yehat
            it’s true, only I don’t understand how the source of Amy will not destroy the rocket.

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            And why, in fact, it (the electromagnetic signal) should (the rocket) "DIE" ????? request
            What, the signal from the radio station, radar, beacon, etc. and the like, that "objects" are ROBOTED ??? request
            Here the question is in the power of the signal, and in some other factors !!! But there is NO signal in the NATURE !!! hi
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          23 July 2018 13: 50
          I completely agree with you. However, try a saleswoman of diapers to pronounce the simplest terms from the field of computer science or another scientific field. Therefore, the main enemy of the scientist is his own conceit and exaltation before others. . A real scientist, who has gone from the rough foundations of scientific activity, will never muzzle others, but will carefully listen to the same opinion of the saleswoman of these diapers in order to investigate the process of a person's reaction to information with which he is not familiar.
          So. Plasma can play the role of the so-called antenna only if there is a correspondence between its energy parameters and the momentum that created these electromagnetic waves. But the plasma formed by the variable flight conditions due to which it will be formed will change its parametric data all the time, it is completely unstable. But at the same time, it cannot be “torn” in its transformations, which means that it changes according to algorithms. Moreover, in order for it to be an antenna, it is necessary to understand that the plasma itself is formed by the contour of the interactions of the housing and the internal magnetic field from this housing ionized by the interaction with the medium. Means what? So on Earth, you just need to create such a transmitter with the same energy density, but in fact the parameters of magnetic processes that will interact not with the generator inside La, but will interact with the receiver in the form of a simple loop potential. To do this, you just need to give the magnetic fluxes around La a certain configuration so that they pass through both the outer shell and the inner part of the aircraft. And therefore, the region of interaction of magnetic fluxes in a certain zone will be not only a receiver, but also a generator, and vice versa, not a receiver, but a signal source. Therefore, I always say that the magnetic fluxes around a linear conductor must be considered deeper and as a theoretically justified process, and not as what we see as a scattering of sawdust. And this, in turn, is already a fundamental theoretical solution and justification that allows us to speak not with abstract magnetic fields, but with magnetic force fluxes, which have a mathematical justification for the interaction parameters with quantitative dimensions that are directional and potential. And without it, even bruise your forehead, but you will not find solutions.
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            23 July 2018 18: 26
            I presented for a moment the SELLER, who was offered a similar explanation and realized that all my pedagogical teaching experience was flying in tartar-ry.
            But after all, I once made the doctor’s wife understand how exactly the current goes from the outlet to the light bulb and why it lights up and clearly explains why, if you climb into the outlet with your bare hands - it will be bo-bo.
            Previously believed that he had accomplished a feat.
            Now I understand - the Saleswoman will win.
  10. 0
    23 July 2018 12: 26
    Quote: Stepych
    I think this is a fake. An attempt to force the United States to spend money on the development of new weapons

    I am sure that “egg-headed” analysts are now sitting in Langley and wondering: is it true or “wiring”?
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      23 July 2018 13: 59
      In vain you think so. Very capable people sit in Langley and other institutes and they do not evaluate the world only from the standpoint of the rules of their den
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        23 July 2018 17: 05
        Quote: gridasov
        In vain you think so. Very capable people sit in Langley and other institutes and they do not evaluate the world only from the standpoint of the rules of their den

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        "Gridasov" - Well REPRESENT, at last !!!!
        Your reasoning is some kind of an ECLECTIC mixture of "individual elements" picked up from EVERYTHING !!!! Judging by your terminology, you DID NOT HAVE "system education" !!!
        If I'm wrong - PLEASE - "to the barrier"(DISCLAIM !!!) soldier
  11. 0
    23 July 2018 13: 33
    The article is written of course very emotionally and can serve as an example of a solid article for the media in the cycle "achievements of Russian defense science and technology." Without laziness, without the worn-out phrases of "having no analogues in the world. But ...
    Not everything and always needs to be trusted in such articles, sometimes you need to include your head. The opinion of any author is subjective and what he can consider an achievement and truth is not really such, but is embedded in his mind by other publications in the media and on TV reports.
    The article is undoubtedly a plus, although there are roughnesses and frank blunders

    Quote: foxhound
    Well, what kind of power should the laser have in order for satellites to be knocked off the earth !? % 0

    Big one. If the laser is pulsed, then probably dozens, if not hundreds of megawatts

    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Rave. In order to make an animation, you don’t need to know any secrets - the representative of the Moscow Region gives a drawing of a weapon (which, of course, shows only what is not secret) and explains the desired plot - the studio makes an animation.

    Right, Andrey! And when at the President’s speech they show the animation of the apparatus of the “Harpsichord”, then this does not climb into any gates

    Quote: Stepych
    I think this is a fake. An attempt to force the United States to spend money on the development of new weapons

    Not excluded. Suffice it to recall the American "Star Wars" with its animation. In fact, of all the weapon systems shown then only a couple reached the "iron", although they were not taken into service. Everything else was an attempt to “spin” the USSR into another round of the arms race.
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      25 July 2018 23: 12
      Quote: Old26
      Not excluded. Suffice it to recall the American "Star Wars" with its animation. In fact, of all the weapon systems shown then only a couple reached the "iron", although they were not taken into service. Everything else was an attempt to “spin” the USSR into another round of the arms race.




      As far as I know, THAAD is rooted in that program
  12. 0
    23 July 2018 14: 13
    Quote: Royalist
    Quote: Stepych
    I think this is a fake. An attempt to force the United States to spend money on the development of new weapons

    I am sure that “egg-headed” analysts are now sitting in Langley and wondering: is it true or “wiring”?

    They always sat there. And not only there. laughing Analysis of open sources of information is the basics of intelligence. Not without reason in Soviet times, a very great success of Western intelligence services was the situation when they managed to gain access to the "large circulation", since it was there that most often were the publications with which the work began to receive information on the development of a particular weapons system in the USSR

    Quote: Plate
    Other videos are not watched, only with the Petrel. But I counted 3 rockets in it: 2 in containers and 1 are simply covered with a rag. So your words with one copy are no longer consistent.

    And which is characteristic, they are all painted red, which means that these are weight-dimensional models. Moreover, the bow of "this" "petrel" in the plot is different from the bow of the "Petrel", the launch video of which was in the month of March. This fairing more closely resembles the fairing of rockets of the X-50 / X-101-102 series.
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    23 July 2018 14: 46
    Relighting is likely to go to units occupied with electronic warfare tasks because its power is unlikely to be enough to destroy satellites (burning their optics is also useful), but what is Petrel to be attributed to? Non-nuclear performance, with the exception of range, is clearly a tactical missile, and in range it surpassed any strategic one. It is clear that separate divisions will be formed, but only in what parts?
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    23 July 2018 15: 00
    But the Americans have a much stronger animation. If they attract this industry to the demonstration of their weapons, I'm afraid the advantage will immediately go to their side, despite the presence in the arsenal of the Russian animation of the Three Heroes. In any case, if you cross the “Snow White” pornovariant with the display of an electromagnetic tool - it will be “in peace”.
    But the USSR did without cartoons. Real samples on parades showed. But the USSR and respected.
  15. +1
    23 July 2018 15: 49
    Quote: Curious
    But the USSR did without cartoons. Real samples on parades showed. But the USSR and respected.

    Not only real. Sometimes fake or experienced. What about respect? It's hard to say, but they were afraid - that's for sure

    Quote: ont65
    its power is unlikely to destroy satellites

    I think that is not enough. Species-exploration satellites have orbital parameters of approximately 300x1000 km, early warning satellites (namely, they are discussed in the text) or geostationary - these are 36-37 thousand kilometers, or highly elliptical in which the orbit is 2000 x 38000 km. Remote sensing satellites (dual-use) have an orbit of about 600x700 km. What should be the laser power not only to penetrate the atmosphere of the earth, but also to disable these satellites in their orbits
  16. 0
    23 July 2018 16: 53
    Quote: shans2
    for 300 km, a laser in the Earth’s atmosphere may well operate under a cloudless sky if it has real megawatt power, as rumored "Relight", with nuclear pumping.

    What 300 km are enough to bring down a satellite? You didn’t notice in Gugkart that all the buildings in the photo are visible from the side? This is because the satellite does not look vertically down with the lens, but is directed along the earth from a distance of 1000-2000 km, i.e. to observe us, he can generally fly along the border and shoot - as there in Moscow.
  17. +1
    23 July 2018 19: 19
    Quote: arkadiyssk
    What 300 km are enough to bring down a satellite? You didn’t notice in Gugkart that all the buildings in the photo are visible from the side? This is because the satellite does not look vertically down with the lens, but is directed along the earth from a distance of 1000-2000 km, i.e. to observe us, he can generally fly along the border and shoot - as there in Moscow.

    Of course, the satellite is not shooting down vertically. Usually his angle is about 25-30 degrees with respect to nadir. And the shadow of the subject can also tell a lot. But flying along the border and shooting, as there are in Moscow beyond its capabilities. If the survey is surveyed, the width of the capture band can be 300-400 km at a sufficiently low resolution. If detailed shooting is a square with dimensions no more than 2x2 km and very high resolution
  18. 0
    23 July 2018 21: 49
    How now the point burns in liberoids. They laughed so merrily at the "Putin cartoons," so funny ha ha ha! Dodged.
  19. +1
    23 July 2018 23: 57
    Quote: Ivan Petrov-Vodkin
    How now the point burns in liberoids.

    Why is that? With the fact that the next MO video appeared? The main thing is no answers to specific questions, the most interesting
  20. 0
    25 July 2018 00: 18
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    The very “thing in itself” remains the same combat laser complex “Peresvet”, which is already in the troops ... The fact that the complex in the Space Forces (VKS) hints at its combat mission: the defeat of the spacecraft of the enemy’s orbital group, probably, first of all, for the special reconnaissance and spacecraft of the missile attack or missile warning system

    Can the Yak-152 also shoot down satellites?

    He is also in the videoconferencing!
    Kill me cat backwards, and such "experts" write articles ...


    Species intelligence refers to satellite intelligence. It may hint that similar systems will be installed on satellite inspectors or something new.
    P.S. I believe that lasers will have a future in space, and it will be difficult for them on Earth.
  21. -2
    12 September 2018 09: 19
    The star and others several times laid out materials / interviews, where it was hinted / implied that these missiles / torpedoes with a Y. engine were not in the working version.
    The scandal with Roskosmos confirms this indirectly.

    About the laser, there are also similar interviews / articles.
    The battle of cartoons is coming ....

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