Pension reform. Arithmetic for the government

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16 June 2018, the government of D.A. Medvedev introduced a bill to the State Duma, providing for raising the retirement age by 8 years (to 63 years) for women and by 5 years (to 65) for men. The Prime Minister assured that thanks to the reform, the pension will grow annually by 1 thousand rubles per year (1). Not surprisingly, the government’s decision turned out to be extremely unpopular: according to the Levada Center, 89-90% of the population has a negative attitude towards the upcoming reform.

Pension reform. Arithmetic for the government




May decrees

To bring clarity to the government’s actions, first of all, you need to look at a few paragraphs of the May decrees of V.V. Putin's (2):

- increasing life expectancy to 78 years (by 2030 - up to 80 years);
— ensuring sustainable growth in real incomes of citizens, as well as the growth of the level of pensions above the level of inflation;
— the entry of the Russian Federation into the top five largest economies in the world, ensuring economic growth rates above the world ones while maintaining macroeconomic stability, including inflation at a level not exceeding 4%;
— halving the level of poverty in the Russian Federation…


As it is easy to guess, the government is trying to solve several points of the May presidential decrees by one reform. On the one hand, the growth of pension payments exceeding inflation has already been guaranteed - therefore, one of the tasks set has been completed. On the other hand, an increase in the number of officially working people in the country's economy should increase labor productivity, and, accordingly, lead to an increase in GDP. In turn, GDP growth should have a positive impact on real incomes and a reduction in the poverty level of the population of the Russian Federation. Raising the retirement age will also reduce the deficit in the FIU, thereby reducing the burden on the country's budget. The money saved by the government will be able to invest in development, again, improving the economy and the state of affairs in the country. Of course, it is worth considering that the Pension Fund revenues by about 40% consist of intergovernmental transfer, i.e. 3,28 trillion rubles was allocated by the state in 2018 for pension payments (3). According to the forecast, the federal budget revenues in 2018 will reach 16,529 billion rubles (4), therefore, the inter-budget transfer to the Pension Fund will be 19,8% of all expenses.

It should be noted that, according to Rosstat, the average pension for 2017 was equal to 13.304 rubles, and for 2018 (as of January-April) - 13.337 rubles. (5). Those. growth was 33 rub., or 0,248%. Against this background, the increase in pensions on 1.000 rubles. per month will give a reason to report to the government about the approximate growth of the average pension by 7,5%, which exceeds inflationary expectations and at the same time means a real increase in the incomes of pensioners.

Going nowhere

Probably, you have already traced the predictability of the government of D. A. Medvedev: with one stroke of the pen he solves many problems and then can move on to other, equally important goals. Unfortunately, government actions are strictly reactive and do not completely anticipate the development of events. In this context, reactive thinking or action can be viewed as synonymous with short-term economic development. Proactive thinking (or actions), in turn, carries a certain idea and goal of further development, given future changes in general.

The terms long-term and short-term development have been introduced by Alfred Marshall (6). These concepts have cardinal qualitative differences: short-term implies the possibility of changing a small number of existing instruments of economic policy, all other things being equal. In this case, the immediate impact of changes in factors on the market is analyzed directly. Long-term, however, takes into account the change in all economic factors and their impact on the market. However, there is no clear time interval.

The presidential decree in May - an increase in life expectancy on average to 78 years (by 2024) - formed the basis of today's pension reform. These data correlate with the data of the high forecast of Rosstat, published (modified) still 11 February 2013 of the year (7). Based on Rosstat’s optimistic forecasts, the government slyly hints that the retirement age will not change until the 2030 year. But what will happen after 2030, when life expectancy will rise again? The government will be forced to again solve an absolutely identical problem: the bar of retirement age will have to be raised again. This is a vivid example of short-term or reactive thinking, because the root of the problem of the Pension Fund’s insurance system will remain unresolved.

The reason lies in the principles of building part of the pension system. The pension system of the Russian Federation consists of two parts: the funded (invested part) and the insurance part. The insurance part is based on the principle of redistribution of funds between generations - the principle of Pay-As-You-Go, also known as the principle of solidarity. Due to the natural increase in the life expectancy of the population and low birth rate (8), the average age of the population increases from year to year. In other words, the rate of increase in life expectancy is higher than the rate of increase in population. Consequently, the load on the insurance part of the FIU increases. Because of this, the government is forced to allocate more and more funds to maintain the fund and, accordingly, less money is left for the development of education, medicine, infrastructure and other areas.

The fiscal burden on a country's budget is always a factor slowing down development. Therefore, questions immediately arise not only about the structure of the fund and its performance, but about the system as a whole, showing its inefficiency and representing a burden for the budget. And in the conditions of sanctions the economy does not get any easier from this.

Observing the diligence with which this pension reform is being pushed, it can be assumed that the logic described in the May Decrees section reflects the current state of affairs with a high probability. There is also another hypothesis: the government of D. A. Medvedev realizes that V.V. Putin is on his last term on the president’s site, and in 2024, when the retirement age has not yet been completed, he (the government) will not have to report to the current president for his actions.

It is also necessary to note one very important detail: in fact, there is no gradual increase in the retirement age.



The table (see above) provides official data (9) on how the increase will occur. As can be seen, citizens born in a certain year are immediately given a new retirement age. Moreover, the bill №4372п-ПХNUMX of 12 June 16 “On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation on the Purpose and Payment of Pensions” in the 2018 Annex to the Federal Law “On Insurance Pensions” will increase the 6 retirement age year, and for women in 2023 (2026).

I wonder how the government will explain the different periods of raising the retirement age to the country's population?

Implications of reform

We will be based on open data from Rosstat. At the end of the pension reform, the government will save approximately 2,3 trillion rubles. Thus, it will significantly slow down the growth of intergovernmental transfer, which will be 3,28 trillion in 2018 year. But at the end of 2034, another 14,5-16 million people will enter the labor market. Considering that the number of economically employed population in Russia after the crisis from 2009 to 2017 (11) grew by only 2,73 million people (12) (an increase of about 0,43% per year), it will be difficult to imagine that a breakthrough in the market will occur in the following years, and all 14 million people will be employed. To keep unemployment at the level of 2017 of the year (5,21%), each year approximately 935-940 of thousands of jobs should appear in the economy (growth of 1,03% per year).

As can be seen, the growth of the economically employed population, incorporated in the reform, is almost X times more than the growth between the years 2,4-2009. According to preliminary estimates, with the growth of the labor market by 2017% per year, unemployment can gradually increase to 0,5 — 12,3%. As is already becoming clear, the government has created for itself insurmountable obstacles to reducing poverty in 13,3 times.

Saving the Pension Fund

Unfortunately, the government did not solve the main reason for the inefficiency of the pension system at all. It has only postponed the problem for the next 15-20 years in the hope that there will be a solution in the future. The attempts to reform the Pension Fund had sound grain when it was decided to create a funded part of the pension. The implementation of this plan was obviously impossible because of the shortage and huge interbudgetary transfers to the FIU. But is there any other solution in this situation?

1. Reducing the deficit FIU

If we exclude the intergovernmental transfer to the Pension Fund of Russia, its hole in 2017 a year would be about 3,49 trillion rubles. The receipts of insurance premiums for 2017 for the year amounted to only 4,48 trillion rubles, and this is despite the fact that 72,142 million people were economically employed in the market. With an average salary in 31.475 rubles per month of receipt of insurance contributions to the Pension Fund should have been 5,995 trillion. Where are the remaining 1,5 trillion rubles?

For sufficiently well-off people, preferential rates are provided to the PFR: if the income does not exceed 796.000 rubles (about 66.350 rubles per month), the rate of contributions to the pension fund will be 22%. For income over a reduced rate is provided, which is only 10%. The social insurance fund is similarly arranged: the bar is set at the level of 718.000 rubles. With large income contributions are not charged at all. The abolition of these benefits will allow 1,5 trillion rubles to be saved at the same time on intergovernmental transfer, which will be about 9% of all federal budget expenditures.

Instead of the announcement of a “soft” increase in the retirement age, it would be sufficient to announce a soft increase in the rate of contributions to the pension fund to 27% by the end of 2034. With an average salary in 35.000 rubles in 2034 (13) and keeping the number of employees at the level of 2017, 8,18 trillion rubles would be received by the FIU. Of course, this measure may reduce the profitability of the business, respectively, and VAT charges, but 16 has been years enough to thoroughly prepare the business for these changes.

2. Introduction of progressive personal income tax rate

In the light of discussions of raising the income tax to 15% for all citizens of Russia (14), the most effective decision will be to introduce a progressive taxation scale. Currently, the tax scale in Russia is regressive. An example of at least are benefits in insurance deductions depending on income. Keeping the minimum rate of 13% and creating steps up to 25% for the rich will have a significant effect on tax revenues. Consider the following two examples:

1) rate increase to 15% for all:



2) increase in the personal income tax rate to 15% for the 9 group and to 25% for the richest group:



Elementary calculations based on 2017 data of the year indicate that the simplest progressive tax is much more effective than a flat taxation scale (by 750 billion rubles), it would increase the inflow to the federal budget from 3,1 to 5,8 trillion rubles. It is possible that opponents of the progressive scale of taxation, who receive the highest salary, will note that the business will go into the shadows, and the situation will only get worse. But this assumption (precisely assumption) should be considered primarily by professionals from the Federal Tax Service. It is their assessment and capabilities that should be fundamental for making a decision on the introduction of a progressive scale.

Based on these data, the state will receive additional 5,2 trillion rubles when eliminating benefits for insurance pension and social contributions, as well as introducing a progressive taxation scale. This amount, a component of 31,5% of federal spending in 2018, will make it possible to fully cover the deficit of the PFR. Moreover, free funds in the amount of about 2 trillions of rubles can be used to go to the real cumulative system. Most importantly, these two steps will minimize the burden on the main part (about 80%) of the country's population and will not reduce their purchasing power.

The accumulation system will allow the population to create their personal accounts, to which real, rather than calculating, accounts will be charged, as is the case with the insurance system, deductions. Any resident, based on the paid contributions to the Pension Fund, will be able to accurately calculate his future pension and, most importantly, the money will belong to him.

Consider an example of a cumulative fund with average profitability in 4% per year with the duration of the 22 life of the year:



We will use the pension insurance pension calculator with the same work experience and income. It turns out that pension payments will be only 20202,26 rubles. per month.

The positive aspects of the savings fund can be listed in the following paragraphs:

- independent crediting of the state through investments in government bonds;
- indirect financing of the development of the country through state lending;
- infrastructure investments;
- reducing or eliminating the burden on the country's budget (an autonomous fund that does not require transfers);
- An impressive increase in investment: the need to attract foreign capital will drop to almost zero.

Conclusion Opinion of the author

So, as is already becoming apparent, the ability to continue to pay pensions in full exists. You do not need to increase the VAT and retirement age, which ultimately will adversely affect the welfare of the population, especially the first 8 groups of workers. I believe that there are completely different tools and ways out of this situation, probably even more elegant and imperceptible solutions for the market than those proposed in the article. In the end, the task of the welfare state is to create economic and social justice, and consequently, the redistribution of wealth and their proper use.

Unfortunately, our government does not give clear explanations of its actions and often just goes on the most obvious way, which, in my view, is extremely inefficient.

Sources of
1. TASS: http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5290613.
2. TASS: http://tass.ru/politika/5182019.
3. РБК: https://www.rbc.ru/economics/25/04/2018/5adf956b9a7947f359a8cea8.
4. TASS: http://tass.ru/info/4679765.
5. Federal State Statistics Service: http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/urov/doc3-1-1.htm.
6. Marshall Alfred. Principles of economic science. Book V, Chapter 5.
7. Federal State Statistics Service: http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/demo/progn7.htm.
8. Federal State Statistics Service: http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b11_13/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d1/04-06.htm.
9. TASS: http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5290863.
10. The text of the bill №4372п-ПХNUMX from 12 June 16 of the year: https://static.consultant.ru/obj/file/doc/fz_2018.pdf.
11. At this time there was the largest increase in the number of people employed in the labor market.
12. Federal State Statistics Service: http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/statistics/wages/labour_force/#.
13. It is based on a pessimistic scenario in which wages do not rise to 2034.
14. РБК: https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2018/03/22/754520-povishenie-podohodnogo-naloga.
15 and 17. Federal State Statistics Service: http://www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat_main/rosstat/ru/statistics/wages/labour_force/#.
16 and 18. Federal State Statistics Service: www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/trud/.
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  1. +78
    22 July 2018 05: 22
    Putin was surprised in an interview by raising the threshold of life in Russia. It turns out that life expectancy will increase every year. It is PLANNED by the government and him personally. It looks like he’s getting old, he didn’t expect such nonsense from him, he was always adequate before. the life threshold will increase if the environment worsens, food products are not even close in quality to Soviet quality standards, and unless in the USSR heavy physical labor was facilitated by mechanization, which by the way has remained since then Is there still nothing new and medicine, although medicine has risen in knowledge and technology, but in practice, did anyone feel better in this outback? On the contrary, it collapses before our eyes in terms of accessibility, bureaucracy, over-pipe, and optimization, have destroyed all the achievements? ???????????????? I went to the funeral, the guy lived 57 years.
    1. +23
      22 July 2018 06: 00
      Mar. Thira (Oleg) Today, 05: 22 ... I went to the funeral,guy lived xnumx years.

      ... so you gave an answer to all the tricks of the government regarding the pension reform ...
      1. +41
        22 July 2018 06: 12
        The main problems are ahead ... Massive departure of salaries to the gray sector, a sharp increase in unemployment and the rapid impoverishment of the population ... It seems that this is the purpose of the pension reform ...
        1. +30
          22 July 2018 07: 29
          Something seems to me that while in the government at the helm of the government in the government are financiers, and not production workers, then all the calculations based on the expected increase in production and the increase in the number of jobs look ridiculous. Well, these speculators can not think of such complex things for them. For them, money from the air is important here and now.
          How much did the state pay to banks in 2014 for covering their inefficient work in 2014? Problems arose allegedly due to sanctions, since these banks could no longer take loans in the West in order to push them into Russia already at unimaginable interest rates. Well, how much was returned in the end? Apparently - nothing, otherwise they would have cheerfully reported.
          And how many trillions did the state sponsor last year for the same purpose? Health care with culture relax. Will this money return to the budget? Something tells me the spinal cord says no.
          As long as effective "managers" rule the economy, then we will have what we have at the moment: first jerk the vest on the chest, and only then consider the consequences of this action. And the consequences are very sad turn out.
          1. +4
            22 July 2018 19: 44
            Do we still have the production workers, those who can participate in the production process, organize production? And what about the scale required in the future for our country? Is there any continuity of industrial engineers? Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, judging by Wikipedia, is not a techie at all ...
            1. +7
              22 July 2018 23: 43
              Quote: Reklastik
              Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, judging by Wikipedia, is not a techie at all ...

              But Rogozin techie is a doctor of technical sciences. True, without education, but these are trifles. And Kindersurprise is a techie and has inventions: "The way to organize lotteries." In general, the scam was invented.
              How much everything has rotted here!
            2. 0
              24 July 2018 16: 11
              Someone's relative
        2. -1
          22 July 2018 12: 23
          Unfortunately, the article with a hint of analyticity has too few numbers. But compared to the empty gorlopanstvo on the topic "Medvedev makes us work to the grave" (Putin is good for us), the article is even nothing.
          True, I did not see any intelligible ideas. Progressive Personal Income Scale? Do not be so naive. If you think of a bet, anyone who earns money well, and therefore a stupid person, will simply avoid paying personal income tax, for example, by switching to a simplified payment system.
          Be that as it may, raising the retirement age is inevitable. The problem of a beggarly pension should be solved, and there are only three ways to do this: increase budget revenues due to economic growth (our government does not know how to do this), reduce other expenses, for example, defense (this is not an option in our political realities) or the maintenance of the state apparatus and theft (who will take away from himself). It remains only to work more.
          1. -1
            22 July 2018 12: 26
            By the way, from the table of men and women’s retirement, I noticed that in a certain period men will retire as much as 9 years later than women. This applies to women and men born in 1964. And our ladies complain that they are offended)
          2. +7
            22 July 2018 13: 36
            Quote: Nick_R
            True, I did not see any intelligible ideas. Progressive Personal Income Scale? Do not be so naive. If you think of a bet, anyone who earns money well, and therefore a stupid person, will simply avoid paying personal income tax, for example, by switching to a simplified payment system.

            And who told you that the changes will not affect “simplified” and other ways of avoiding taxation? Remember the gangster orgy of the 90s. It seemed like forever. However, the stolen oligarchs needed calm, in the end we got our "sun-like" with a bunch of other close oligarchs, but without obvious bandits in power. There was a desire and an opportunity appeared. With corruption and economic growth, a situation similar to this one. It will be necessary for the "cash aces" to remove corruption and ensure real economic growth, they will. The article proposes only some measures out of a huge number of possible, but everyone understands that the measures should be reasonable and comprehensive. The Tsar’s jester, with his wretched little mind, did not understand that he had just nearly ruined the country with his "brilliant" ideas.
            1. -1
              22 July 2018 19: 46
              As for the simplification, so far the opposite situation has been observed: the creation of even more favorable conditions for the so-called self-employed population in order to involve their tax-free turnover. And taxes can be made at least 6%, but this does not increase the welfare of the population, rather the opposite. The business will include taxes in costs and transfer them to the consumer. Also with a margin, laying on the risks of further inadequacy of the government
        3. +4
          24 July 2018 16: 28
          Not only these problems. There, at the beginning of the article, the author expresses the naive hope that the money will be invested in the economy. They will go to offshore, this money. Over the 5 months of this year, our home billionaires have become richer by 3.3 billion dollars. And the increase in salaries, about which the government is so bursting, I do not see neighbors as examples of my friends, acquaintances. I don’t see, not because I am blind, but because there is simply no increase in salaries. On the contrary. There is a real decrease in salaries, not to mention the purchasing power index.
          Recently made an appointment with the deputy of the Legislative Assembly areas from EP. I want to know his opinion on the issues discussed in the article. I wanted to get to a meeting of the commission on social issues while considering raising the retirement age. I wanted to get to the very extraordinary meeting of the Legislative Assembly during the consideration of this problem. I talked with the assistants to the ministers of the oblast and the heads of the committees who were rapporteurs and co-rapporteurs on this issue. Since the deputy didn’t answer anything to my request, he signed up with EP for the head of the faction in the Legislative Assembly of the region. Sadness A very great sadness. At the end of August I’ll write an article about how we are led
      2. +7
        22 July 2018 11: 45
        Quote: aszzz888
        Mar. Thira (Oleg) Today, 05: 22 ... I went to the funeral,guy lived xnumx years.

        ... so you gave an answer to all the tricks of the government regarding the pension reform ...

        Yesterday a neighbor threw back his hooves. 52 of the year.
        1. +2
          25 July 2018 21: 45
          Lucky poor fellow, will not see our joyful fluttering about the extension of life to 80 years! Our rising pension will not see either .....
          And those two "workers" who were supposed to deduct on his pension, can now calmly smoke, no man, no problem!
      3. +2
        23 July 2018 12: 45
        Quote: aszzz888
        here you have answered all the tricks of the government regarding pension reform ...

        Still cooler.
        "The Kremlin and the opposition have a common goal. A situation with one such dubious initiative - pension reform - threatens with unpredictable consequences. In just two months, the popularity of the ruling party fell from 53 to 38%. Moreover, if in May the rating of" United Russia "and aggregate indicators the other three parliamentary parties were correlated in a 2: 1 ratio, today they are almost on the same level - 38,8% among the EP and 38 among the Communists, Socialist Revolutionaries and Liberal Democrats. From May to July the rating of United Russia fell by a quarter, but the Communists "raised "one and a half times, the Socialist-Revolutionaries - by a quarter, and the Liberal Democrats - by a third. If this continues, the ruling party will have problems. After a month and a half - a single voting day. It’s enough for the opponents of EP to come to an agreement and their candidates are doomed to win. And EP - to a shameful failure. "

        Source: https://versia.ru/kreml-gotovit-federalnyj-refere
        ndum-ob-changeenii-konstitucii-rossii

        Last week, the Communist Party filed documents for its implementation - "realizing the wishes of citizens", as the first deputy chairman of the party Ivan Melnikov put it. And this is the case when the aspirations of the authorities and the opposition completely and completely coincide. Remember what Valery Nightingale said? “The Kremlin is preparing a federal referendum, initiative groups are forming in the regions.” Not by the government and not by "United Russia" - the Kremlin.
    2. Fox
      +18
      22 July 2018 06: 10
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      I went to the funeral, the guy lived 57 years

      that week the guy from our department was buried ... 41 years. 20 years of service ... going to retire in the fall ...
    3. +30
      22 July 2018 06: 10
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Surprised Putin in an interview by raising the threshold of life in Russia.

      At the beginning, he surprised everyone that he had promised to soak the terrorists in the outhouse, and now decided to soak his pensioners in apartments with his government. They didn’t get the counters, so we decided to finish off with our pension.
      In a country where life expectancy is increasing, there can be no (according to Rosstat) population decline over the past six months by 147 people. Progressive tax is great !!! But it will hit the very 200 elite Russians whose incomes (monthly) are above 1 rubles ... crying This is not 23 million people living on the line of poverty and poverty, and not those pensioners whose pension is about 000 000 ... fellow
      And another proposal, let's limit the maximum pension (state old-age allowance) to the average wage ... belay Let the official (prosecutor, judge and other business "people") receive 100% of the earnings that he established for himself with the help of laws and corrupt deputies, but not higher than 37 ... belay This is some kind of saving ... But it turns out that during life they steal and “nip” and in old age give them black caviar for breakfast ... stop Or maybe black bread and water?
      1. +17
        22 July 2018 06: 17
        all you need to know about power: they always lie to everyone ....
        1. +14
          22 July 2018 06: 24
          In vain the "Medvedevsky monologue" ended ... crying He did not have time to name the names of "our people", with whom he was going to consult ... stop I bet it’s Kudrin, Gref, Chubais, Kiriyenko ... sorry for his loss. He would have raked everything in 500 days ... belay
          1. +3
            22 July 2018 06: 42
            Pension reform. Arithmetic for the government
            And as for me, it’s rather a puzzle task that must be solved CAM...
            The dilemma: how to prevent officials from the "inner circle" and others from more distant "circles" plunder the budget, while not setting them against themselves? recourse request

            They will at least steal LESS, and there will be money for retirement, and there will still be money for other "nishtyaks."
          2. +1
            22 July 2018 11: 52
            Quote: ROSS 42
            sorry for his rest. In 500 days, he would have raked everything ...

            To Yavlinsky contact. This is his program. Sorry, not saved. And then I read, being a student as stupid as fiction.
        2. +10
          22 July 2018 07: 40
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          all you need to know about power: they always lie to everyone ....


          Yes they say Putin was altogether replaced. THEN promised one, and NOW rules the other ...
        3. 0
          22 July 2018 07: 59
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          all you need to know about power: they always lie to everyone ....

          Where and when did Putin lie? He is now against raising the retirement age.
          "... And when they asked me, and now they also ask me which of the various options I like, I can say no then and then. I don’t like anything related to increasing age ... ... Why? Yes because this cannot be liked by the vast majority of our citizens..."
          1. +7
            22 July 2018 09: 21
            Quote: Boris55
            "... And when they asked me, and now they also ask me which of the various options I like, I can say no then and now. I don’t like anything related to increasing the age ...

            He has his own option of raising the retirement age ...
            1. 0
              22 July 2018 09: 24
              Quote: solzh
              He has his own option of raising the retirement age ...

              They didn’t understand correctly. He doesn’t like any of them. and "him."
              1. +14
                22 July 2018 11: 06
                Quote: Boris55

                They didn’t understand correctly. He doesn’t like any of them. and "him."

                Like - do not like ... There is no difference. He is not a girl of marriageable age. I don’t like to kill animals either, but I love meat more! So Putin does not like to infringe on the people, but he certainly does not like to pay him. Why pay when you can take and not pay!
                I have long had a very persistent feeling that our officials consider government money to be their own. My wife always does not have enough money for a salary in a budget clinic, but at the same time there is always money for other expenses. For example, the head physician (young woman) with a girlfriend (also young, doctor) traveled to the dentists congress at the expense of the clinic in Chile, and on the way back we stopped in Europe, also for some important "event". And everyone understands that the girls went to hang out, come off at state expense.
                Do you think this is out of the ordinary? No, it is with us everywhere. This is the way of thinking among our officials that it’s state, then mine!
                1. +4
                  22 July 2018 11: 31
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Like - do not like ... There is no difference. He is not a girl of marriageable age.

                  hi Therefore, he said that:
                  "... Therefore, there is no final decision yet. Only the first reading has passed. It does not accept any amendments, amendments. I, of course, will have to listen to all opinions, all points of view on this matter, look at the discussion that will unfold. It maybe now unfolding ... "
                  In other words, Putin says:
                  People, pension reform is in your hands. How and who will take the initiative in this discussion, whose point of view wins, will depend only on your activity. I restrained it as much as I could, now it is time for you to join this confrontation.
                  But will we hear?
                  1. +8
                    22 July 2018 12: 56
                    Quote: Boris55
                    I restrained it as much as I could, now it is time for you to join this confrontation. But will we hear?

                    Do not worry, we will hear. We are not the first to raise the pitchfork.
                    1. 0
                      22 July 2018 13: 21
                      Quote: sabakina
                      We are not the first to raise the pitchfork.

                      The State Department wants this, and this is exactly what Putin does not want to allow. His constitutional duty is to preserve the integrity of the state.
                      1. 0
                        30 July 2018 14: 24
                        Boris55
                        "The State Department wants this, and this is what Putin does not want to allow."

                        Boris, our government wants this! Whatever they do, but the people endure everything! But someday patience will end and they will receive some personal pitchfork, some ax, some rope ...
                        No more harm than our government, no one has done us! And sanctions are babble compared to the tricks of our ministers of education, culture, finance and destruction, sorry, economic development ...
                  2. +5
                    22 July 2018 12: 58
                    Quote: Boris55
                    In other words, Putin says:
                    People, pension reform is in your hands. How and who will take the initiative in this discussion, whose point of view wins, will depend only on your activity.

                    Then Putin comes out the only person in Russia who does not hear what the people want or do not want. The fact that the reform will be, I have no doubt about it. Otherwise, why did Putin initiate it? Everyone understands that without Putin’s desire nothing is done in our country! Well, various consultations and "popular" discussions have already taken place. The overwhelming majority of regions are FOR, and the majority of deputies (people's representatives!) Are also FOR. So what else to discuss if ALL FOR?
                    1. +2
                      22 July 2018 13: 25
                      Quote: Stas157
                      The fact that the reform will be, I have no doubt

                      And Putin still hopes for us that we will not let her go.
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Otherwise, why did Putin initiate it?

                      Tell me, did it seem to me alone that Medvedev declared this?
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Everyone understands that without Putin’s desire nothing is done in our country!

                      I do not understand.
                      Quote: Stas157
                      Well, various consultations and "popular" discussions have already taken place.

                      "...Therefore no final decision yet. Only the first reading has passed. It does not accept any additions, amendments. Of course, I will have to listen to all opinions, all points of view on this score, look at the discussion that will unfold. She may be turning around now ... "
                      1. +5
                        22 July 2018 13: 57
                        Quote: Boris55
                        I do not understand.

                        And I'm not surprised! But, such as you are a minority. The problem is only with you, not the difficulty of understanding this. In order not to understand this, you need to be an alternatively gifted or paid troll.
                      2. 0
                        22 July 2018 14: 05
                        Quote: Stas157
                        But, such as you are a minority

                        Kasandra was generally alone laughing
                        If you think that two sidekicks from a big budun decided to steer the country, one came to the White House, and the other went to the Kremlin and drove everyone out there with only one formidable look - then you are right.
                        But if you understand that the largest clan-corporate groups are behind them, then your assumptions do not roll.
                        My limit in this dialogue is over, if that - look for the answer at the very end.
                  3. 0
                    22 July 2018 21: 42
                    And let's choose a president who will promise everyone a pension of 40 years and a pension of $ 2000. If in doubt, I assure talkers such as Zhirik a dime a dozen. That will be all happiness. The truth is not long.
                    A state built on the principles of pseudo democracy cannot develop normally; this is when the people rule through their chosen ones. Experience shows that people are ready to vote for any populists without even trying to turn on the brain.
                    For me, raising the retirement age is Putin’s only worthy economic decision. Immediately make a reservation, I did not vote for him. Decent because right, despite the obvious unpopularity, snot and cries of the electorate.
                    There will be no decent pensions until we work hard and efficiently. True, they still will not be until government officials, bloodsuckers steal money for these very pensions from the people. Here's the reason why it would really be worth revolting.
          2. +6
            22 July 2018 11: 57
            Quote: Boris55
            Where and when did Putin lie? He is now against raising the retirement age.

            Words and deeds.
            "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law on changing the budget parameters of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation (PFR) for 2018 ....
            ... In accordance with the document, the PFR budget revenues for 2018 will amount to 8,266 trillion rubles (8,4% of GDP), which 66,8 billion rubles below the amount approved by the fund’s previously adopted budget.... "

            http://tass.ru/ekonomika/5345129
            Already planned and signed. By the president. Before the adoption of the next pension reform.
            Well, about the growth of life expectancy. Then, of course, his Svortsova surpassed.
            "The life expectancy of a person can be increased to 120 years. This was stated by Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova, reports TASS."
            https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5b44e6ea9a794704a0
            c3e9ec
            What a reserve for raising the retirement age!
            1. 0
              22 July 2018 12: 13
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law on changing budget parameters of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation (PFR) for 2018 year ...

              Twenty-five again ... Putin does not pass laws; he issues decrees.
              Constitution of the Russian Federation. Article 105 p. 1. Federal laws are adopted by the State Duma.
              Constitution of the Russian Federation. Article 107 p. 3. If the President of the Russian Federation rejects within fourteen days from the date of receipt of the federal law .... it is subject to signing President of the Russian Federation for seven days and promulgation.
              The pro-State government led by Medvedev and the same pro-government Duma are doing everything that Putin would disperse them and create chaos in the camp. Do not wait! Putin is smart enough to keep the country whole.
              1. +11
                22 July 2018 13: 00
                Quote: Boris55
                Putin is smart enough to keep the country whole.

                Yeah! Each time, Medvedev uses the painful technique of Sambo to force the President to sign "unpopular ORDERS." And the dispersal of the same appointed Medvedev and the Duma "will cause chaos." Do you believe it yourself?
                Your fanatical faith in the "good king" is no longer surprising. It is regrettable.
                1. +1
                  22 July 2018 13: 57
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  Do you believe it yourself?

                  1993 year old remember?

                  1. +7
                    22 July 2018 15: 36
                    Quote: Boris55
                    1993 year old remember?

                    Of course I remember. This is one of the tragic and shameful pages of our history. The time when Yeltsin strove for unlimited personal power. This is a continuation of 1991, when the struggle for power between one weak-willed conceited and the other, unprincipled and unscrupulous did not stop even the death of the state. I do not share the Gorbachev-Yeltsin time. This is one process.
                    Do you seriously think that Medvedev (not an idea) will marry people to the barricades? The masses of the people today are not ready to go beyond their rights even to demonstrate. But, this is the merit of Vladimir Vladimirovich.
                    1. dSK
                      +3
                      22 July 2018 23: 49
                      Quote: There was a mammoth
                      This is a continuation of 1991, when the struggle for power between one weak-willed conceited and the other, unprincipled and unscrupulous did not stop even the death of the state. I do not share the Gorbachev-Yeltsin time. This is one process.

                      July 21, 2018 19:17 / TV "Tsargrad" /
                      The virus of the Yeltsin centers spreads throughout Russia. "the multi-million Russian capital, which democratization is no longer being dealt with Sakharov Center, Higher School of Economics, Echo of Moscow Radio and Dozhd TV Channel. Therefore the construction of the capital Yeltsin Center is already in full swing. Moreover, it is planned to be placed in the very heart of Moscow.
                      And the money for this wonderful institution has already been allocated, and budget - 1,33 billion rubles. But how could it be otherwise if founder of the Yeltsin Center, according to the newspaper Kommersant, is The apparatus of the current president of the country, and its head is Vaino Anton Eduardovich, heads the board of trustees. "
                      1. dSK
                        +1
                        22 July 2018 23: 58
                        Grandfather - Karl Genrikhovich Vaino (born 1923) in 1978-1988 held a post First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Estonia.
                        Anton's father, Eduard Karlovich Vaino (born 1949), chairman of the Cuba-Russia Business Council at the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation, from 1990 to 1997 - chief representative of AvtoVAZ OJSC in the United States from 2009 to the present - vice -President for external relations and interaction with shareholders of AvtoVAZ OJSC. The family left for Moscow when Anton was 5 years old. (Wikipedia).
              2. +13
                22 July 2018 13: 01
                Constitution of the Russian Federation. Article 107 paragraph 3. If the President of the Russian Federation within fourteen days from the receipt of federal law reject .... he to be signed President of the Russian Federation for seven days and promulgation.
                Then why do we need the president at all, if he does not decide anything at all? belay
                1. 0
                  22 July 2018 13: 30
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Then why do we need the president at all, if he does not decide anything at all?

                  How does not solve. He, according to the Constitution, "May decrees" determined the general direction of the country's movement. The government is obliged to distribute the budget of the country in fulfillment of the decrees, and the Duma to adopt the relevant laws.
                  He also holds the country's foreign policy.
              3. +1
                22 July 2018 16: 34
                Well cheers, Putin will not disperse the government’s Duma, now I can sleep peacefully in the country!
              4. 0
                22 July 2018 17: 06
                Quote: Boris55
                it shall be signed by the President of the Russian Federation within seven days and made public.

                Boris, did Mr. President sign the lope of decrees over the past 10 years? laughing Find at least one with signature Putin. Do you see a picture? From a legal point of view, this is not a signature. All the documents allegedly signed by him are nothing.
        4. 0
          24 July 2018 16: 16
          starred
      2. +3
        22 July 2018 08: 45
        I fully support these proposals. You can also add here the mandatory deductions from the profit received by resource-supplying campaigns as a result of the sale of oil and gas, as well as mineral raw materials and metals abroad, in the amount of 1.5% to the treasury income. That's where the field is not plowed.
        1. +7
          22 July 2018 12: 36
          And what does it have to do with the issue of pensions, in general, the budget and some inter-budget transfers? That’s what I didn’t understand. Why on earth does the budget “sponsor” the FIU? Man began to work in 20 years. Finished for example in 60. 40 years deducted in the FIU 22% of salary. Since this is an "average person", then his salary was 30 000. How many years can he receive his money without requiring a penny from the budget, given the average pension of less than 15 thousand? Is it almost 20 ?!
          What are the deficits? What transfers? Money honestly earned and handed over to the FIU. I still didn’t count the percentage that the user of money is obliged to pay to the one who gave him, that is, our government, money for use for 40 years!
          People worked. Contributed to the economy, for many decades built tangible and produced intangible values. They built up the mass of the economy in the way they were led. Who is to blame for the fact that now there is "not enough" money? Why should I work for a pensioner if the pensioner worked perfectly for himself and honestly secured a pension?
          The explanation of the "deficit" is only one. The means that people honestly invested their whole lives, plundered and destroyed by poor-quality planning. That's all.
          1. 0
            22 July 2018 15: 13
            And they steal beautifully now. And about blah blah about self-sufficiency for the future, they were again held in December 2014.
          2. -2
            22 July 2018 21: 50
            If you are not comfortable, we do not have an accumulative one (it is actually nullified), but an insurance system. To all those who worked back in Soviet times, our valiant Soviet government did not postpone retirement money. Therefore, current workers are paid a pension to them, hoping that they will be paid a pension at the expense of their working children and grandchildren.
            Accordingly, there are two problems: 1. Our state, starting from the time of the USSR, pro. . . the wealth that current pensioners have earned in their lives. 2. There are fewer children and grandchildren who must feed us, and we live longer. Consequently, our pension will be less.
            1. dSK
              +1
              22 July 2018 23: 37
              Quote: Nick_R
              2. There are fewer children and grandchildren who must feed us, and we live longer. Consequently, our pension will be less.

              Unfortunately, our government does not provide clear explanations for its actions and often simply follows the most obvious path.
              On the easiest for "accountants".
            2. +1
              22 July 2018 23: 56
              everything is simple, the money of Soviet pensioners also went to create the means of production, which now belong to completely non-people
              1. -2
                23 July 2018 09: 09
                This is how to look. It can be said in another way: the country's gold and foreign exchange reserves went to the purchase of grain in the USA and Canada, since the Bolsheviks never restored their agriculture, which was killed by Stalin.
                1. +1
                  25 July 2018 09: 04
                  Well, you just heard about agriculture! And then, just the name!
            3. +2
              23 July 2018 18: 00
              As for the system, we are a little aware. The gallant Soviet government was putting off! Only not money as such, but transformed people's labor into material values. That is, people were supposed to feed retired factories, newspapers, ships, which these people had been building all their lives. Suddenly, huh?
              And then this very government decided that they were building everything wrong, and let's ruin everything. Pay attention - not the people decided so, but the GOVERNMENT. People like "supported". And the government lightly put on what people did not support. In general, you are right, they are built of this ... this ...
              Funny another. Opportunities for the government not to shift its people to their jambs. But there is no desire! Why, in fact? People will endure. Somehow it got for some reason ...
              1. -2
                23 July 2018 19: 01
                "That is, people should have been fed on retirement factories, newspapers, steamers, which these people have been building all their lives."
                Is that what you yourself decided or are there any supporting normative acts?
                In the USSR there was an ordinary insurance pension system, fully financed by the state (recently, previously, farmers were paid a pension at the expense of the collective farm) without clear-cut targeted funding sources.
                They promised a lot under the USSR, without thinking about the sources of financing. Why think about it, you can always print money, which, given the fixed prices, led to an increasing shortage of goods. Although how to say a lot. My grandmother, who went through the war with two young children while her husband fought at the front, received 15 pensions, because she had worked all her life on the collective farm and she was only entitled to a minimum wage.
                1. 0
                  26 July 2018 23: 56
                  Quote: Nick_R
                  Is that what you yourself decided or are there any supporting normative acts?

                  More time to spread out? This time by syllables? Apparently you are an official ... the USSR as a salary gave only the bottom of the norm of reproduction of labor. He took the rest. People earned ten or more pensions, you know.
                  But the link to regulations is simply wonderful! Liberals are the meanest creatures on the planet. They took into arms a law obedient to them. "Yes, I killed and raped, but when you were detained, you looked one and a half centimeters below the limit. You won’t be able to condemn me!" I am talking about economic reality, but what do I hear in response? Interestingly, this dirty joy, when you crushed the next person "according to the law", is it the meaning of your life?
                  Our ancestors gave everything, including their lives, to tear people like you from power. It didn’t work out. Maybe the neocons are right? Maybe it’s worth clearing the planet with nuclear fire? Since this is the price of the fact that this exulting meanness will die with a person?
      3. +1
        22 July 2018 10: 32
        “1700000 elite Russians whose incomes are above 100000” - Such people in Russia are much more than the declared figures.
      4. 0
        24 July 2018 16: 14
        that would be fair
    4. +5
      22 July 2018 09: 31
      Arithmetic is a thing applied to fundamental science. No one disputed the fact that under capitalism, labor is a commodity based on its first ability to bring profit to the owner. If the turnover of goods becomes unprofitable, then it is necessary to reduce the production of goods or arrange a "Boston tea party." We began to regulate the number of labor force with the reform of education and the reform of healthcare. And pension reform is already akin to this tea party itself, namely: the destruction of illiquid goods in the form of labor. Here either at once in the coffin, or in the vile way of general deception to make the weak and the Kalik plow to the last strength. Otherwise, they become unprofitable for private production. winked
      1. +4
        22 July 2018 13: 06
        And let’s, as in Sparta, throw off sick and sick babies from the cliff! Maybe, according to Skvortsova, our descendants will live up to 120 years ... wink
    5. 0
      24 July 2018 00: 22
      Not exactly, but for sure. And not only insanity, but also megalomania. Not on Senka hat was
  2. +20
    22 July 2018 05: 24
    Something my debit with the loan is not reduced: 13 337 average pension * 42 million pensioners = 560 billion rubles. Where are the trillions?
    1. +15
      22 July 2018 06: 03
      Hypatius (Valery) Today, 05: 24
      Something my debit with the loan is not reduced: 13 337 average pension * 42 million pensioners = 560 billion rubles. Where are the trillions?

      ... THERE, a completely different arithmetic, and other accountants .... they all converge, and most importantly - they have not forgotten and miscalculated about their pocket ...
    2. +11
      22 July 2018 06: 14
      13 337 x 42 000 000 x 12 = 6 721 848 000 000 if in words fellow six trillion seven hundred twenty one billion eight hundred forty eight million rubles a year ...
      1. +14
        22 July 2018 07: 13
        No one above is interested in any other options for replenishing the pension fund and solving pension problems, except for raising the retirement age. And the government is stupidly pushing this increase. The question has been resolved and other opinions above are of no interest to anyone. Do you think that none of the initiators of this increase know that you can replenish the pension fund by other methods? They know very well. BUT. Mrs. Cristina Lagarde from the IMF arrived and strongly recommended that any reform of the pension system be initiated precisely with raising the retirement age. Why? And everything was just — she motivated this by the fact that raising the retirement age will lead to ATTENTION! a sharp increase in investment activity of citizens, to a sharp increase in demand among the population of various banking instruments for accumulation, savings and insurance, as the population will understand that now we need to take care of our old age ourselves. Thus, the interest of the population in the banking and financial instruments of accumulation for old age will lead to a sharp jump in the income of banks and other financial organizations and, in general, will positively affect the development of the financial market in Russia. So, you can rest assured that it is the banking and financial lobby that is pushing the increase in the "retirement age" in Russia. And the law on this will be adopted.
        1. +3
          22 July 2018 13: 29
          This Lagarde is aware that after the Union, the bulk of the population. except how to put / take on a passbook, and pay crazy interest on a loan, in the banking and financial sector, not a single foot? What former Soviet will cheat something with his own pennies, except for the "Bank of the mattress"?
          1. +1
            24 July 2018 00: 30
            Quote: sabakina
            This Lagarde is in the know

            The lady is certainly not aware of this, but our stupid people are definitely in the know. But their solution is the simplest (for them). They don’t give a damn about the costs due to the soon departure for permanent residence in Zabugorje. Tuscany vineyards are waiting for their owner
        2. Alf
          +1
          22 July 2018 15: 38
          Quote: Snail N9
          You can rest assured, it is the banking and financial lobby that is pushing the increase in the "retirement age" in Russia. And the law on this will be adopted.

          And what can be called the one who signs this law? Frantic patriot of Russia?
          1. 0
            24 July 2018 00: 32
            Quote: Alf
            what can be called the one who signs this law? Frantic patriot of Russia?

            PUTIN!
        3. +1
          25 July 2018 09: 08
          And why the heck I care about a hypothetical old age, to which I personally will not live! People will simply die at the place of work. And tales of retirement will no longer excite anyone!
      2. +2
        22 July 2018 13: 18
        Quote: ROSS 42
        13 337 x 42 000 000 x 12 = 6 721 848 000 000 if in words fellow six trillion seven hundred twenty one billion eight hundred forty eight million rubles a year ...
        ROSS, did you use a calculator from a pension fund? I counted twice, it comes out 560 billion, 154 million! am
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    4. 0
      22 July 2018 08: 43
      Quote: Hypatius
      Where are the trillions?

      The question is interesting, but the cartoon is a lie, State Department propaganda, which translates arrows from the guilty to the innocent. The initiator of amendments to the pension law was Medvedev, not Putin.
      1. +3
        22 July 2018 20: 41
        Quote: Boris55
        The initiator of amendments to the pension law was Medvedev, not Putin.

        Convinced Boris. Medvedev is the head. And Putin is like that, a television sound box. It doesn’t solve anything, it can’t do anything. The main thing is innocent.
        1. +1
          24 July 2018 00: 38
          Quote: Karabin
          Putin so, zvizdobol television. It doesn’t solve anything, it can’t do anything. The main thing is innocent.

          Why clings to power? I would sit at home, counting the money, grandchildren nursing, children. But no, the hero does not get off the zombie’s screens! He dives under the water, flies with cranes, drives to KAMAZ. Maybe he treats his complexes?
    5. +4
      22 July 2018 08: 51
      In the year 12 months. 560 * 12 = 6,7 trillion rubles. annual budget
    6. 0
      24 July 2018 08: 51
      Alas, 560 billions are a month, and trillions are a year ...
  3. +3
    22 July 2018 05: 57
    I believe that there are completely different tools and ways out of this situationprobably even more elegant and invisible to the market solutions than those proposed in the article.

    ... most likely it is so ... only no one will return to these "tools and opportunities", at least under this government ... recourse
    1. +12
      22 July 2018 06: 18
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... most likely it is so ... only no one will return to these "tools and opportunities"

      I know effective tools for the emergence of opportunities and bright ideas in the brain clouded by the search for loopholes for corruption:
      PM, AK, HEMP ROPE, ELECTRIC CHAIR, GAS CAMERA, GUILLOTINE ... belay
  4. +21
    22 July 2018 06: 01
    Maybe for starters the government should report on the following issues (over the past 10 years):
    1. How much budget money is spent on maintaining officials (in absolute figures, in% of GDP, in units, in% of the able-bodied population).
    2. How much budget money is spent on economically unreasonable and / or adventurous projects (such as Rusnano, etc.) and who is responsible for this.
    3. How much butchet money was stolen, transferred to offshore, etc. and who answered for this.
    4. How much income tax and transfers to the pension fund (by name and in absolute figures) are paid by the gentlemen from the Forbs Russian list.
    After this, pension reform can also be discussed.
    1. +8
      22 July 2018 06: 05
      amateur2 (Victor) Today, 06: 01

      ... very uncomfortable questions, you posed, for the "government" ... where is there only one quiet-kudrin worth it! ... and there are LOTS of them there! request
      1. +7
        22 July 2018 06: 27
        There is still such a gray cardinal as Shokhin ... Another horse from the Yeltsin party ...
    2. 0
      24 July 2018 00: 41
      I think that after the answers you received, there will be no one to discuss the reform with.
  5. +12
    22 July 2018 06: 19
    The government of modern Russia has surpassed the Central Committee of the CPSU ... by order of the inhabitants of the country were obliged to live. The fact that half will not live up to the indicated dates does not bother anyone ... we have an average temperature calculation for the ward of 36,6 and everything means healthy. The fact that a person’s health is not added over the years is a fact ... which our government rejects and does not take into account. What does this lead to ... the growth of sick leave, but the quality of medical services in our country is falling from year to year, getting to doctors is becoming more difficult, getting a free examination is even more difficult ... it makes the diagnosis longer, chronic diseases worsen, the cost of drugs rises ... pharmaceutical companies and private clinics will win ... they will work on drugs in the literal sense. The cost of honey insurance will rise ... the insurer will cry out about the overdue increase in deductions for their services ... with a new out of pocket of the population ... another tax increase. And actually no one answered ... and where are the jobs ... ??? there is a trend of reductions ... but the creation of new ones ... a rarity. If the older generation doesn’t leave ... and where does the young work ... ??? ... there is no stable income ... there are no families ... there are no children ... another demographic hole ... another absence of taxpayers. Migration policy in general is a separate issue and the content of new citizens ... it is the maintenance, receiving a pension ... benefits, subsidies in Russia that they quietly live on and use their pensions ... no one took their passports and citizenship from them.
    1. +3
      22 July 2018 08: 04
      Quote: Strashila
      The government of modern Russia has surpassed the Central Committee of the CPSU ...

      Putin certainly has done a lot of good for modern Russia, and this is indisputable, but at present, the president and his liberal pack have lost the positive vector of the country's development. They cannot, do not know, do not want to do anything for Russia. It's time to hear the words:
      - I'm tired, I'm leaving ... (c)
      We have no irreplaceable, we are just afraid that it will not get worse. Let new people come, real patriots of Russia. Putin, Medvedev, Kudrin, Chubais, Nabiullina ... let them retire even with a guarantee of immunity. Stop wandering around, it will only get worse with them. I will welcome fair criticism of my comment by the Zaputinists.
      1. +6
        22 July 2018 10: 33
        I'm sorry, but why is the Russian Guard? wink What do you think they are made for the Guarantor to get up said I'm tired, I'm leaving? winked Why did they raise their salaries and all sorts of nyatteks in view of preferential retirement? winked And the police? And the zaputintsy and hoplofob really hid lol Something is not visible Golovanov and all sorts of old people yelling who if not Putin lol
        1. +4
          22 July 2018 14: 45
          I voted for Putin. What am I to now? To commit suicide? Do not wait! And yes, I voted for Putin, not for the government! Would run Zyuganov or Mironov, I would have thought ...
          1. +3
            22 July 2018 20: 56
            Quote: sabakina
            And yes, I voted for Putin, not for the government!

            And why did you decide that Putin will appoint a new government for a new term. He was always satisfied with the work of the old one, which you were regularly reminded of at VO. And pension reform loomed on the horizon six months before the election. Wishlist voiced by Medvedev, Dvorkovich, Siluyanov. You have to be blind and deaf in order not to understand what the Putin government will leave. That choosing Putin, Medvedev and liberalists in addition.
            Quote: sabakina
            What am I to now? To commit suicide?

            No. Wrap around.
          2. +2
            23 July 2018 12: 36
            I’m not the only one here, a gullible, gullible, insulting now. My wife got tired of wiping a mirror, said, “beat against the wall better, but don’t punch a hole”.
        2. +1
          24 July 2018 00: 50
          Quote: RaptorF22
          I'm sorry, but why is the Russian Guard?

          A structure that will serve the one who pays the most. But at the first schucher, one wonders whether it is worth shedding blood, one's own and another's. In civil war there are no right and guilty.
          The KGB and BB didn’t puff up much for the CPSU, and the current "golden calf" spud much deeper.
  6. +3
    22 July 2018 06: 30
    Quote: ROSS 42
    13 337 x 42 000 000 x 12 = 6 721 848 000 000 if in words fellow six trillion seven hundred twenty one billion eight hundred forty eight million rubles a year ...

    And, for sure - got up, but did not wake up. However, the assertion that the FIU spends literally 1% on its needs is doubtful.
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 08: 40
      Hypatia, however, and 67 billion according to your calculations is not sickly, this is called direct costs, calculate how much it will be in retirees
      1. 0
        22 July 2018 10: 37
        If 67 billion is divided into 42 million pensioners, then each year everyone will receive 1595 rubles - nothing at all.
    2. 0
      22 July 2018 11: 38
      Well, I believe in you and what? But to search for yourself, weakly?
      http://www.mn.ru/newspaper/economics/70950
      it’s clear that these are all the machinations of those who do not love Putin and the government, because Ipatius.
  7. +8
    22 July 2018 07: 22
    The May presidential decree - increasing life expectancy to an average of 78 years (by 2024) - formed the basis of today's pension reform.
    .... We have, as always, the five-year plan of three years, the early achievement of life expectancy is feasible ... It is worth giving Rostat a command ...
  8. +2
    22 July 2018 07: 25
    Why spoil a beautiful Sunday morning with a photograph in the title of an article?
  9. +10
    22 July 2018 07: 48
    increasing age seems to have become that red line about which the Kremlin loves to say so. And the quotes from the May decrees are simply ideally tailored to the custodians and their servants, I try to pull them on those who work with me, well, they’re not getting into any way - and the increase in life is in no way a steady (!! ??) income growth in there is no trace and there will not be and the poverty level is progressing, but it will be underestimated by its statistics (everyone knows how it can be turned) and joining the ephemeral number of leading economies is beneficial only to the custodians themselves.
    In short, all these Kremlin talkers remind me of the Govorun bird from the cartoon The Mystery of the Third Planet
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 08: 13
      Quote: koksalek
      increasing age seems to have become that red line about which the Kremlin loves to say so.

      You did not confuse the Kremlin with the White House? laughing
      Quote: koksalek
      And the quotes from the May decrees are simply ideally tailored to the custodians

      And to quote a parrot - weakly? laughing
      Quote: koksalek
      and joining the ephemeral number of leading economies is beneficial only to the custodians themselves.

      And who in our Kremlin is responsible for the economy? laughing
      Quote: koksalek
      In short, all these Kremlin talkers remind me of the Govorun bird

      Nothing that you understand in sausage scraps ...
      Have you heard the thread about the presumption of innocence? You blame the Kremlin for all mortal sins. You have to prove it - present the facts, and if you can’t, then you are the same bird talker, but unlike the animated one - the nonsense.
      1. +4
        22 July 2018 14: 29
        Quote: Boris55
        present the facts

        In 2012, Putin ran for president from a united Russia. Before that, Putin was the prime minister, and Medvedev replaced Putin as presidency.
    2. +4
      22 July 2018 10: 37
      Shh, right now, the stubborn ones will run in and jump out of their pants and prove that such laws help people live better wink The truth is not specified exactly wink
  10. +4
    22 July 2018 08: 34
    It seems that the peaceful existence of the workers and bourgeoisie is over. Masks are reset. What did you want from this government? Cookies and Jams? Do not wait. hi
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 09: 29
      Quote: fif21
      Masks are reset.

      Not the masks were thrown off, but the pink glasses on our nose cracked. Did not this government and this prime minister increase their retirement age for employees in their previous term? This is how much it was necessary to be naive in order to think that everything will end on this and again put them in the Duma ...
      It will slip through - they will increase the service life in the power structures ...
      1. +9
        22 July 2018 11: 32
        I am not discussing your pension reform. I’ll just remind you that when they raised the retirement age for state and municipal employees, I immediately said-as soon as the law on this comes into force, immediately the same terms of retirement will do for the rest. then "patriots" began to boo me, supposedly the president, while he was in power, promised not to raise the retirement age. And when I began to say that not a word that the president, that any other government official cannot be trusted, that they don’t even necessarily knowingly lie, but sometimes they wish me out for the reality, they immediately attacked me from all sides and “banned me”. Now, we observe .... hmm, that is, then we observe.
        1. 0
          22 July 2018 11: 36
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          immediately the same retirement dates will do for the rest

          So good started laughing
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          not a word that the president, that any other government official can not be trusted

          And so shitty finished ... sad
          1. +1
            22 July 2018 11: 59
            Just like in "Run". hi
            1. 0
              22 July 2018 14: 12
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              Just like in "Run".

              Good movie. But the main thing is that this would not happen in bed laughing
        2. +1
          22 July 2018 14: 26
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          I immediately said, as soon as the law comes into force, immediately the same retirement dates will be made for the rest. then patriots began to boo me

          Just no one could believe that such a thing is possible in our country ...
          1. 0
            22 July 2018 14: 39
            Quote: solzh
            Just no one could believe that such a thing is possible in our country ...

            Why so? If you look through the forum, then not only he wrote about it, but also I. So there are already two of us on this forum laughing
            Then the peasant from Perm was very happy when Medvedev discussed this issue in the Duma, shouting - we agree for increasing the age ... They say that he died a disease - 53 was a year old ...
  11. +4
    22 July 2018 09: 13
    But in China, pensions are being raised. This year, pensions of Chinese pensioners are increasing by at least 5,5%.

    On January 1, 2018, the next stage of the pension reform started in China. The previous minimum pension - Yanglaojing - 618 yuan (6 thousand rubles per month) was recognized as humiliating and insulting for such a great and rich country as People's China. Last year, in cities with a population of over 10 million people, on average, old people received two thousand yuan per month (20 000 rubles), and in the capitals of Beijing and Shanghai - 35 thousand rubles. But these benefits are considered insufficient ...

    It was decided to leave the retirement age in China at the 1978 level of the year. Men will continue to receive money when they reach the age of 60. Women retire at 50, in public service and at state-owned enterprises at 55.
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 10: 38
      But this is for 30% of pensioners.
      1. 0
        22 July 2018 11: 49
        Quote: Vadim237
        But this is for 30% of pensioners.

        By and large, retirement is evil.
        We all know that the seed is the initial unit of society of which the state consists. Pensions, making old people independent, and children not obligatory in relation to parents, destroy this cell.
        So in China, our dream of a happy childhood and a happy old age is fulfilled up to 70% of the population. Elderly parents sit with their grandchildren. Adult children taking care of their parents show their children an example of behavior. In general, harmony.
        So destroying the cell of society - we are together destroying the state. Not immediately, gradually - in this matter, the geyropa is ahead of the rest. The indigenous population is dying, they do not give birth to children, because carelessness in old age is unnecessary ... They are completely dependent on the state.
        1. +4
          22 July 2018 14: 23
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Vadim237
          But this is for 30% of pensioners.

          By and large, retirement is evil.
          We all know that the seed is the initial unit of society of which the state consists. Pensions, making old people independent, and children not obligatory in relation to parents, destroy this cell.
          So in China, our dream of a happy childhood and a happy old age is fulfilled up to 70% of the population. Elderly parents sit with their grandchildren. Adult children taking care of their parents show their children an example of behavior. In general, harmony.
          So destroying the cell of society - we are together destroying the state. Not immediately, gradually - in this matter, the geyropa is ahead of the rest. The indigenous population is dying, they do not give birth to children, because carelessness in old age is unnecessary ... They are completely dependent on the state.

          Are you proposing to cancel the pension? Did the stork happen to understand you on the way?
          1. 0
            22 July 2018 14: 32
            Quote: solzh
            Are you proposing to cancel the pension? Did the stork happen to understand you on the way?

            I did not offer this. I ascertain.
            We shifted our concern for ourselves to loved ones in old age from our children and grandchildren, to the state, in fact - to strangers, and, oddly enough, we are ready for the right of the state to manipulate us, to break any throats.
            And now the state promised 1000 to every pensioner, although the VAT in 20% had already eaten it, it contrasted the current pensioners with the future ... By the way, I’ve been a pensioner for a long time and I would be happy to have a handout, but something is not joyful ...
            Is it now possible to cancel pensions? I think that no is a completely different philosophy of life. And no one will allow this to be done. The authorities will never give up such a lever of influence.
    2. 0
      24 July 2018 00: 57
      Quote: Boris55
      22 July 2018 09: 13
      But in China, pensions increase

      So in China, 2 aircraft carriers have already been built, 3 swung. And at us “Kuznetsov” there is no money, in Moscow “Sevastopol” has been idle for 2 years, no money. So compare comparable, not carrots with .....
  12. +1
    22 July 2018 10: 50
    [quote = Boris55] [quote = koksalek] ...
    [quote = koksalek] In short, all these Kremlin talkers remind me of the Govorun bird [/ quote]
    ... Have you heard the thread about the presumption of innocence? You blame the Kremlin for all mortal sins. You can prove it - present the facts, and if you can’t, then you are the same bird talker, but unlike the animated one - the nonsense. [/ Quote]

    Oh, what terminology sounded), "presumption of innocence" and how appropriate is this terminology in general here? We are NOT in the courtroom and other instances related to jurisprudence, but what is the difference between the average and not only the Russians, that the government, presidential administration and other have different addresses ?? We are interested in the final result, and it is clearly visible enough - in the article many points are pretty well described, although not all ...
    In addition, if you want to say that the government acts so that the AP and the President do not know about it, then this is not true (you can’t even ask about the quote confirming this, I’m not going to “shine” the sources of information) - the politician is called ... laughing
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 11: 01
      Quote: kitt409
      (about a quote confirming this, you can’t even ask, I’m not going to “shine” information sources)

      Hello from the bird talker laughing
  13. +3
    22 July 2018 10: 59
    "an increase in the number of officially working people in the country's economy should increase labor productivity"
    Dear economist! The number of workers and labor productivity are different things from the word ALL!
    Labor productivity in the country on average per person will fall. T.K. a large number of older people with lower productivity will appear.
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 11: 04
      Quote: podgornovea
      T.K. a large number of older people with lower productivity will appear.

      But how will the protest readership grow! Those young people whose old people have taken their places, will go to the barricades for nothing ...
      1. +4
        22 July 2018 14: 20
        Quote: Boris55
        young people whose old people have taken their places, from nothing to eat go to the barricades ...

        Young people will not go to the barricades. She will go to criminal structures.
  14. 0
    22 July 2018 11: 25
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: kitt409
    (about a quote confirming this, you can’t even ask, I’m not going to “shine” information sources)

    Hello from the bird talker laughing


    And to you the same ... shchazz, here I will lay out all the positions and surnames, wait, wait, wait ...
    As small children, even here what is the need to tell ...
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 11: 39
      Quote: kitt409
      Schazzz, here I will post all the positions and surnames

      Come on, don’t strain. Better tell me, who raised the price of gas, who raised VAT to 20%, who announced an increase in the retirement age? You can use one last name laughing
      1. +5
        22 July 2018 14: 18
        Quote: Boris55
        Come on, don’t strain. Better tell me, who raised the price of gas, who raised VAT to 20%, who announced an increase in the retirement age? You can use one last name

        Power! And the surname has nothing to do with it at all. All of them are in power from one team.
        1. 0
          22 July 2018 14: 21
          Quote: solzh
          All of them are in power from one team.

          Deputies from the Communist Party from the same? laughing
          1. +1
            22 July 2018 14: 42
            Quote: Boris55
            Deputies from the Communist Party

            Unlike the Kobovtsev, the deputies from the Communist Party are doing something. For what their power is being persecuted. But what does the KOB do, if it doesn’t chew yes, does it fictitiously represent the opposition, along with the LDPR?
            Here is one of the KOB gurus ... Start. KOBovsky guru Vladimir Shemshuk. The earth is flat, 40 planets of the solar system, vampires destroyed St. Petersburg, the Khazars descended from horses and so on.
            Vladimir Shemshuk - Book "Baba Yagi - Who They Are"
            If you infect a young man with nihilism, then by the age of 30 he does not have either intelligence or the ability to think. By the age of 40, he no longer has adequate reactions to the environment, and if by this time he does not go blind, then by the age of 50 he will have difficulty moving because the nihilist's brain denies even the signals of his own body. Https: //lena-malaa.livejournal. com /
            They work, unlike you.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msti_vj94yA
            Part one of article seven in the first chapter of the Constitution states that “the Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life and free development of a person”.

            The second part of the same article specifies that the country protects the work and health of people, as well as, among other things, social security, "state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established."

            The increase in the retirement age, the Communists consider, is that the authorities evade fulfilling their direct duties.
            https://dailystorm.ru/vlast/kprf-gotova-oprotesto
            vat-pensionnuyu-reformu-v-konstitucionnom-sude
            1. 0
              22 July 2018 14: 52
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Unlike the Kobovtsev, the deputies from the Communist Party do something. For what their power is pursuing. And this is what the KOB does

              You know, the BER are persecuted the same way, and unlike the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, not one of its fundamental books (Capital) has been listed extremist. So who is cooler? laughing
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Here is one of the KOB gurus

              Well, my God, what kind of nonsense are you talking about ... KOB does not provide for any guru in principle! KOB neither shepherds nor sheep are needed !!!
              Quote: The Swordsman
              “State pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established”

              Where did you hear that pensions are canceled?
              1. +2
                23 July 2018 08: 55
                Quote: Boris55
                You know bob the same chase

                Because KOB-SECT. The sect is a disintegrating country. You should generally limit your rights, like any other Jehovah's witness.
                Quote: Boris55
                Oh my god, what kind of nonsense are you talking about

                What is it that you are disowning from your own? Have you seen a different look at your crazy leaders? Have you become ashamed?
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: The Swordsman
                “State pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established”
                Where did you hear that pensions are canceled?

                Can you read? Or with an understanding of the written tight?
                what is it written about?
                Quote: Swordsman (Nikolai)
                Part one of article seven in the first chapter of the Constitution states that “the Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions ensuring a decent life and free development of a person”.
                The second part of the same article specifies that the country protects the work and health of people, as well as, among other things, social security, "state pensions, benefits and other guarantees of social protection are established."
                The increase in the retirement age, the Communists consider, is that the authorities evade fulfilling their direct duties.
                https://dailystorm.ru/vlast/kprf-gotova-oprotesto
                vat-pensionnuyu-reformu-v-konstitucionnom-sude
  15. +3
    22 July 2018 11: 28
    Imagine what salaries and salaries will appear in people after 55 years? Business will exploit them in full, they will rip off in full, and otherwise, in the trash, because jobs will not be added !!
  16. +5
    22 July 2018 11: 46
    Meanwhile, our government continues to broadcast that pension reform is good for us. In this whole situation, this is what angers me the most. Their blatant lies, hypocrisy. Their blind faith is that the people are a brainless herd. That they can promise them anything, they will believe.
  17. +7
    22 July 2018 12: 01
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    but in the USSR, heavy physical labor was not facilitated by mechanization, which by the way has remained from that time and still there is nothing new

    -----------------------------
    Yeah, schazz. My father was a custom designer. At the factory, all the conveyors and roller tables that he designed were cut, all the lifting booms were removed. Carry hard workers brake drums (about 35-50 kg) on ​​the belly. Long live the optimization solutions!
    1. +6
      22 July 2018 12: 20
      I already wrote here that back in the 90s, I installed a robotic line at the Iskozh plant in Kirov for the production of soles, designed to eliminate harmful and hard manual labor as much as possible. I was at this plant 5 years ago and what did I see? Special robots for separating the soles from the molds were dismantled by automatic machines for processing molds (such as servicing, which is expensive). Now instead of robots there are hard workers who, in a poisonous atmosphere, in the heat, hooks unfasten the soles from the molds with scrapers cleaned and so on. Here is such an “efficiency” of labor .... although maybe this is exactly such work is meant by "creating 25 million new high-tech jobs" - these hard workers may well say that they are working on a "robotic production line" . lol
      1. +2
        22 July 2018 14: 13
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        although perhaps this is precisely the kind of work that is meant by “creating 25 million new high-tech jobs” —this hard workers may well say that they are working on a “robotic production line”.

        Most likely you are right. It is in this simple way that in our country 25 million jobs may appear ...
  18. +2
    22 July 2018 12: 04
    Quote: Vard
    and rapid impoverishment of the population ... It seems that is precisely the purpose of the pension reform ...

    ---------------------------------------
    Ultimately, the loss of government. Such a decision should be calculated politically, and not by simple accounting calculations. And by the way, why Siluanov and Oreshkin manage the economy? Their actions are the actions of the accountant of the enterprise. Something has come and gone, they have reported or will give a forecast of what will happen to the income. And these accountants are paid a frantic salary, they do not make investment decisions. Any chief accountant of a large enterprise will give them odds of 100-200 points.
  19. 0
    22 July 2018 13: 39
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: kitt409
    Schazzz, here I will post all the positions and surnames

    ... Better tell me who raised the price of gas, who raised VAT to 20%, who announced an increase in the retirement age? You can use one last name laughing


    It’s more a question for you, you said here that the Kremlin is white and fluffy, so you have cards in your hands. so to speak laughing
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 14: 18
      Quote: kitt409
      It’s more a question for you

      Putin did not have time to take office, and the government led by Medvedev raised gas prices, and the proposal to raise the retirement age also raised VAT to 20% ...
      Just what a present from the prime minister to the president!
      I’m just wondering why, when Medvedev was president, he didn’t change his retirement age? It's me about the one who is white and fluffy, and who is very cunning ...
  20. +1
    22 July 2018 14: 37
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: kitt409
    It’s more a question for you

    Putin did not have time to take office, and the government led by Medvedev raised gas prices, and the proposal to raise the retirement age also raised VAT to 20% ...
    Just what a present from the prime minister to the president!
    I’m just wondering why, when Medvedev was president, he didn’t change his retirement age? It's me about the one who is white and fluffy, and who is very cunning ...


    Well, Medvedev ran from the tundra, and immediately he went to the government, right?)
    And you personally want to believe in bad boyars, and a good king is your right), but there are fewer and fewer of them, how many can you try to hang noodles on your ears ...
    DAM, in what years was the president? Do you notice any differences with the current years?
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 14: 57
      Quote: kitt409
      DAM, in what years was the president?

      The video above, where Putin says that he will not increase pensions - from 2005 of the year. Medvedev presidency since 2008. So he could have completely dragged it to himself, but he didn’t want to remain a goat in history, but hiding behind Putin - why not try ...
      1. +1
        22 July 2018 15: 07
        Already wrote, believe in this further, but yourself, pliz ...
        Compare, 5, even 8 and 18)
  21. 0
    22 July 2018 15: 06
    The author is right. And the government, with each of its proposals and decisions, simply worsens the situation of ordinary citizens. For example, resolution 442 of 04.05.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX, not a word about the laws of the Russian Federation, continuous violations of the latter and, as a result, violation of human rights. And this is the same in this advanced law. They say that there is such an expression, "The law has no retroactive force." How can I understand it plausibly? Are there any lawyers please explain. hi
    1. 0
      22 July 2018 21: 37
      if the law entered into force on 20.07.2018 (for example), then it will NOT apply to what happened BEFORE this date, unless otherwise specified immediately, if agreed, then it will apply to what happened before
  22. +4
    22 July 2018 15: 07
    Where does the increase in average life expectancy come from?
    In the country, the majority of the population of ordinary citizens is not easy to live. Working poor people — their tens of millions with incomes of 6–8 thousand. And an increase in the minimum wage will not rectify the situation — they will pay the same amount, they will only write that they are part-time. To have more income, people work at 2-3 rates, i.e. wear. Women, it’s no secret that in most cases all the homework is exclusively their concern, worked a shift, a shop, cooking, doing laundry, cleaning, most are simply chronically lacking. A very small part of the population eats in a public place, hires staff to clean the premises, i.e. can let rest donkey work. In summer, the load increases: gardens, vegetable gardens are also not an easy job. This is about those who lead a traditional lifestyle. Young people have a wind in their head: the pursuit of fashion trends: they die from extreme sports, the inability to raise the financial level, and whoever has everything there is a wild lifestyle, alcohol, drugs, extreme sports, they destroy others and themselves. Yes, there are people living up to 90 years but this is the exception rather than the rule. Many people die at a young age. Alcohol, crime, despair, and how many people were killed by slot machines. All forecasts are nothing more than an excuse. Behind raising the retirement age is a rejection of social obligations.
    1. 0
      23 July 2018 16: 09
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Women, it’s no secret that in most cases all the homework is exclusively their concern, worked a shift, a shop, cooking, doing laundry, cleaning, most are simply chronically lacking. A very small part of the population eats in a public place, hires staff to clean the premises, i.e. can let rest donkey work. In summer, the load increases: gardens, vegetable gardens are also not an easy job. This is about those who lead a traditional lifestyle.

      In my opinion, you give strange arguments. I live alone - without a wife, all the equipment at home is automated, well, except that the floor rag and a rag from the dust do not wipe themselves and I still water the flowers myself, although I thought about automatic watering - the rest comes down to loading / turning on the button. Where did you see a great job for women here - I do not understand.
      Further, the garden is generally a salvation for the townspeople. He restores them at least a little health.

      It’s not that I didn’t agree with you - you just chose very strange arguments.
      Lack of sleep, anxiety, medicine, an assortment of shops, working conditions, difficulties with raising children, the construction of sleeping ghetto areas - all this does not add to women's health.
  23. 0
    22 July 2018 15: 46
    Quote: Serge Siberian
    ... They say that there is such an expression, "The law has no retroactive force." How can I understand it plausibly? Are there any lawyers please explain. hi


    if the law entered into force on 20.07.2018 (for example), then it will NOT apply to what happened BEFORE this date, unless otherwise specified immediately, if agreed, then it will apply to what happened before
  24. +4
    22 July 2018 15: 59
    Boris 55 has one mantra: otherwise he needs to disperse the Duma and the country will collapse. There will be a riot and a collapse.
    The question is why? Do you seriously believe that the dispersal of this thought by the president will cause unrest and discontent among the people !? The people will come out in defense of the Duma against the president !?))))
    Or maybe people will come out in defense of the government !?)))) The right to scream)))
  25. +3
    22 July 2018 19: 07
    increase in life expectancy up to 78 years (by 2030 - up to 80 years)

    Increased life expectancy will be only for the rich who have access to modern medicine, normal doctors and expensive medicines.
  26. A.
    0
    22 July 2018 20: 06
    Once again I will see the face of Putin's mendel, I will throw the phone out of the balcony.
    1. +1
      22 July 2018 21: 41
      Well, why so, you will need to buy a new one - why such expenses?)
  27. 0
    22 July 2018 21: 45
    Colleagues, can I ask a question off topic? I only registered yesterday, I look, first without a shoulder strap at all, then clean, then a corporal, and now I’ve grown up to the youngest already) - what do all these shoulder straps and changes on them depend on?
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  28. 0
    22 July 2018 22: 07
    All these calculations are certainly good, but would anyone really believe that the officials would not put the money in their pocket, but would give it to others? While hucksters and thieves will sit in the government and the Duma, the rich will become even richer, and ordinary people will become even poorer. And pensioners are not needed at all. They don’t earn money on them, only waste. While something can be fucked from a person, he is still needed, but let it all die, or something purely personal business. Money doesn't smell.
  29. 0
    23 July 2018 06: 05
    The author generally revealed the topic correctly. These are obvious steps that would be worth taking to somehow fix the situation with the PF.
    Unfortunately, we have a public in power with a limited understanding of the situation. They don’t understand at all that in order to raise a pension, it is necessary to stimulate an increase in salaries for workers, and this will raise the GDP and increase tax councils and give an impetus to small businesses. Yes, and if you really want to increase the retirement age, it’s much easier to stimulate a good salary now than a lower pension. If a person in 60 years has a salary of 100 thousand rubles, and the pension is provided in the region of 20-30, then he himself will be glad to continue to work a little more for 100 ...
    1. +1
      23 July 2018 12: 32
      ... and will give an impetus to small business.
      We have burned out small business with napalm. You see, the owner of a small business, in fact, becomes a person with his own point of view, which may not always coincide with the mainstream of official politics. Therefore, the party apparatus does everything to make the maximum number of people dependent. Well, as an example, the director of a large production will say who to vote for and try to disobey. Either you stay without a prize or you get fired. Small business in this sense gives independence, namely the independence of citizens and is afraid of the party apparatus because it is easier to manage the gray mass, a herd dependent on a shepherd, rather than a steppe and free pioneer horse. How to bite a bit, only foam from the mouth and only the sound of hooves will echo. They only saw him ...
      You have it.
  30. +1
    23 July 2018 09: 00
    But isn’t it easier to cancel pensions altogether, then you can save on PF ?!
  31. +2
    23 July 2018 09: 44


    Life hack from Malysheva winked
  32. +2
    23 July 2018 10: 05
    Putin, well done, keeps his word, by the end of his term in office and the beginning of a new term of Putin’s completely renewed one, ten million beggars in the country will be less and this is not the limit, since we will live on the new term of his reign + Medvedev, up to 95 years, beggars can be reduced by another 50 million, as Margaret Thatcher, Gref, Chubais and others, and others, "PEOPLE" respected by all Russian people, spoke and wrote about.
  33. +1
    23 July 2018 11: 41
    Well? Putin is a thief and a liar, Medvedev is a thief and a liar. The government and deputies are thieves and liars. Everyone knows this for a long time and everyone doesn’t give a damn what they say. What matters is what they do. Here they have reached the extreme point - they encroached on the last conquest of the revolution and the socialist system that followed it. Will we continue to tricky to discuss and suck from empty to empty? Rallies are scheduled for July 28 in many cities of Russia. Many will go? These rallies will be peaceful and this law will be adopted. Many are ready to seek the repeal of this law? Many are ready at rallies to raise the question of trust in power radically? Or we’ll be afraid on the principle of “what if it comes out like in Ukraine?” But do not we now do our passivity as in Ukraine, even without the Maidan? Ukrainians at least tried, but failed. And we don’t even try. We immediately "wisely" go to the stall without even resisting?
  34. +2
    23 July 2018 13: 00
    One of the provisions of the charter of the party United Russia: “2.1.1. Ensuring the conformity of state policy, decisions adopted by state authorities of the Russian Federation and constituent entities of the Russian Federation, local governments, to the interests of the majority of the population of the Russian Federation. and further:
    "2.2.1. It studies, analyzes and summarizes the interests, needs and moods of citizens of the Russian Federation, finds and proposes forms of pursuing the interests of the majority of the population in the form of proposals for draft new laws and decisions of state authorities and local governments. ” In general, on paper, it looks as if there is no higher goal and purpose of the party than the highest good of the people. In this regard, we can state a massive, gross, violation of the charter by its members in the Duma, regions, dictated by the will of several people and which is mandatory for implementation within the framework of party discipline. What is the point then in voting? One instruction from the party’s chairman, Medvedev D A., is enough. And most importantly, the majority of the population of the Russian Federation on whom the authorities are parasitizing is categorically against pension genocide.
  35. +3
    23 July 2018 15: 20
    The whole essence of pension reform:
    1. 0
      23 July 2018 16: 49
      Ah ha! Well, at least warn me when you are joking, I spilled tea from laughter. Burnt with laughter laughing
  36. +1
    23 July 2018 16: 02
    I rarely put pluses to articles, but here I put it - the article is exceptionally well written analytically.
  37. +5
    23 July 2018 19: 46
    So many copies were broken about this increase in retirement age. And nothing has changed. Tell me, my dear author, what's the point of being indignant if no one hears you and is not going to hear you? In the sense of the government. And who told you that the government wants to take equal care of all groups of the population? Maybe they want to take care of some more? Count a little lower))
    Other people in the comments write about Putin’s insanity. But I want to remind you that many specialists and institutions are involved in political and economic calculations for the government, and the president only announces the decisions. So what kind of insanity are we talking about? Maybe the targeted policy of the government is still not in favor of the people?
    Now the numbers:
    For men, the retirement age is pushed back by 5 years, for women by 8. The author indicated that the average pension in Russia for 2017 year was 13 thousand 304 rubles. Round up to 13 thousands, for even calculation. So, a man who has reached 60 years and is forced to continue to work for another 5 years (in present-day Russia, 60 retires only with very poor health, and the rest continue to work), will not receive profit in his pocket by 13, etc. monthly. Multiply by 12 months and by 5 years. As a result, we get 780 thousand rubles. At the same time, the worker continues to pay taxes. Sometimes our salaries in the Russian Federation show that we live in Europe, so we will return to sinful land and take the average salary in the country 20 thousand rubles. From it, a monthly employee pays 2600 rubles of taxes. Also multiply by 12 months and by 5 years. We get 156 thousand rubles. Add 780 TR and 156 T.R. and in the end we see that from the pocket of any man who has worked from 60 to 65 years, the state will take out 936 thousand rubles. That is, half the cost of a one-room apartment in the regions of Russia average in income and saturation by residents. But of course, he promises to compensate for these abductions, with subsequent annual allowances for the entire period of survival, at 1000 rubles per year. And with women it turns out even worse. They are added to 8 years to retirement. Add up the same numbers for money and the same number of months in a year, but already with 8 years. As a result, we find that the government saves 1 million 248 thousand rubles on pension payments to each elderly woman and manages to collect 249 thousand 600 rubles in taxes. Again, add up and get 1 million 497 thousand rubles, savings on every citizen of the Russian Federation. That is, the cost of an economy-class apartment in Russian million-plus cities. Any more evidence is needed about the swindlers in the Russian government ?!
    And the numbers shown by the author are in 35 i.e. wages, as the average for Russia, this is from the realm of fiction. Do not be like the dodgers of our modern government.
    Just what's the point of writing such articles if everyone continues to sit on their priests upright and resent sitting on the couch? What will change in the Russian Federation with these disturbances?
    So work blacks, the sun is still high! lol hi
    1. 0
      23 July 2018 19: 59
      As for sitting exactly, we see 28, it seems like an action was planned for this day ...
    2. +1
      23 July 2018 20: 01
      Arkady Gaidar New
      Today, 20: 46
      ,,, shorter ,,
      the problems of the Negro, the sheriff does not "wave" ,, wink
  38. +1
    24 July 2018 19: 37
    On June 16, 2018, the government of D.A. Medvedev introduced a bill to the State Duma, which provides for raising the retirement age by 8 years (to 63 years) for women and 5 years (to 65) for men.

    Every nation deserves a government that has it laughing ... "
    From the untold Faina Ranevskaya

    http://www.stihi.ru/2014/09/22/6590
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      24 July 2018 21: 39
      The principle of material interest in pension reform (PR):
      Upon reaching the retirement age (PV) of 55 and 60 years, respectively, citizens can retire and receive 45% of their salary.
      If you want a salary in an envelope - get it! But then you will receive a pension less than a living wage.
      Every year spent in excess of POS (without receiving a pension) increases the amount of pension by 5%
      Upon reaching 63 and 65 years, respectively, citizens must retire in order to give way to young people.
      Of course, the numbers may vary based on the budget, but the principle of voluntariness should be the cornerstone of PR hi
  39. +4
    24 July 2018 20: 51
    And with me, a friend died yesterday, with whom I studied at school and at a university, and then worked together ... He died, as expected, at work, an hour after the start of the working day ... According to colleagues, the carriage arrived only at the end of the working day. They said that there was a lot of work. And the man was lying nearby, and the people were working ... Such is the attitude towards us as trash. Serega raised three children, gave them a good education, put them on their feet. He would have turned 60 years old in October of this year. His whole life worked conscientiously and honestly, so that having rid the state of his pension obligations to himself, he completely fulfilled his duty and can be considered an exemplary Citizen of the Russian Federation. Bright Memory to you, Seryoga.
  40. 0
    25 July 2018 19: 04
    Quote: Vadim237
    “1700000 elite Russians whose incomes are above 100000” - Such people in Russia are much more than the declared figures.

    At least 20 times more. 100 thousand in some regions is generally not an indicator of high income.
  41. -1
    25 July 2018 22: 06
    Work Voshny figures before 65 and don’t whine when I kept telling you who is to blame for several years, you laughed here, well now bite your elbows along with cops that poisoned you and your children with drugs, there’s nobody to work anyway, so get ready for overwork !!!!!
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      26 July 2018 08: 02
      What other instructions will there be? laughing
      And most here DO NOT whine, it is called for a completely different ...
      1. -1
        26 July 2018 22: 53
        Well clever or lament what difference, people then turned out to be extremely short-sighted, probably many have one gyrus and that straight one, from a cap))))
        1. +1
          27 July 2018 19: 27
          It follows from your comment that it was here that the stupid and shortsighted gathered.
          Can you justify?
          P.S. And about the cap - did you write this from your own experience? how experienced are you in this matter)
  42. 0
    30 July 2018 14: 36
    Boris55
    "My limit in this dialogue is over, if that - look for the answer at the very end"

    Boris, this phrase can be regarded as the fact that you will no longer stand up for the "sun"? Or do you have piecework, and you rush to another branch to insert your 20 cents in defense of the guarantor?
  43. +1
    6 August 2018 00: 56
    Eyes are the mirror of the soul!
    And the face, her biography!
    Siluanov and Golikova run their eyes, on only one question (it sounds something like this): Are you sure of the need, that there is no other way?
    Apparently personally for them there are no options, but it is not yet clear what the First is waiting for ?! Precedent? After all, the topic is resonant, and even in unison with the wishes of the IMF. Again, Sberbank is an asset of the Rothschilds, correct if I am mistaken.
    I wonder how things are going with Vaino with a nooscope. All the same, a useful tool!
    It is clear that under the general concern about the geopolitical instability, the nuts are stretched out on both sides, but such a drastic change regarding the pockets of citizens is not very characteristic ?! Usually screwed into the nostril slowly, with pauses for discharge, and here.?
    And the last remark is the first approving view of the Governor, who asked to exclude his region from pension reform. All this is very curious, in my opinion, of course. Well - chickens count in the fall! (folklore, his mother, sayings)