United Russia will discuss various options for exposure to Poklonskaya

The Duma faction of United Russia (United Russia) will discuss various options for a possible impact on the deputy Natalya Poklonskaya, who voted against the bill in the first reading, amending the pension system of the Russian Federation, reports NEWSru.com.

As the leader of the UR faction Sergei Neverov said, the presidium of the general council of the party adopted a decision agreed with Dmitry Medvedev (chairman of the UR) on supporting this bill. A decision was also taken on consolidated voting.

However, Natalya Vladimirovna on Thursday, when considering the draft, voted against, he added.

The head of the faction noted that he could not single-handedly make decisions, so the members of the EP will gather and discuss possible response options that are within United States authority.

For her part, Poklonskaya recalled that earlier she had already announced her intention to vote against the bill. The deputy noted that the pension system really needs to be reformed, but the project contains such innovations that it cannot agree with.

In this regard, for the second reading Poklonskaya prepares amendments, which may be adopted and taken into account.

Recently сообщалосьthat dissatisfaction with pension reform is ripening in the regions. The project received minimal support in Chechnya, Dagestan, Kamchatka Krai, Yakutia, Vladimir, Irkutsk, Kemerovo, Omsk and other regions of Russia.

Comments

[For example]

Maybe Neverov first thinks WHY Poklonskaya against?
Or is EP not welcome to think?
Apparently there are only slime dishes. So much the worse for EP. With what speed the members ran into this party with the same speed and will run away from it. Rats running from a sinking ship will envy the agility of these members.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles. Voted conscientiously. How much they laughed and humiliated Poklonskaya (her crusade against Matilda was indeed an absurd attempt to censor an innocuous love drama), but her act was worthy of respect and the only one from her faction said firmly no.

[For example]

And who, what hurts .... Something attracts you to psychiatrists, but you decided to recoup on Poklonskaya?

[Logall]

a decision was taken on consolidated voting.

That's always the case: the decision is made for those who have forgotten to ask! Or did not consider it necessary ...
So EdRosa and the people relate! Not only they ...
They asked our darod:
- "People want to live well?
- then I will vote for us for us!
And what is "good"
We will decide without you ... "

[The black]

And after that, United Russia dare to criticize the "approval" of the CPSU.

[Tatyana]

In this case, Poklonskaya worthily proved herself not only as a national defender of the working people of Russia, but also as a person who opposed the creation of a threat to the national security of the Russian Federation from the entry into force of another manifestation of Russia's external governance. Namely.

The remaining deputies from the ER faction are neo-liberal compromisers with pro-American demands from IMF head Christina Lagarde, which she colonially (on behalf of the United States and the collective West) presented to the Russian government for mandatory implementation of the Medvedev government to change Russia's domestic economic course.

In fact, Poklonskaya’s EP party members will now be “bludgeoned” precisely because she not only did not support the pension reform of the Medvedev government in its unconstitutional form, but did not support precisely the fulfillment of the IMF requirements for the Russian Federation - and thus fell out of unity anti-constitutional compromising system of the pro-American administration of foreign, external governance of our country.

[Tatyana]

Quote: sergeyezhov

It is impossible not to raise the retirement age since funds are needed for the war in Syria and Ukraine.

Sorry, but we ourselves in Russia know better because of what the neoliberals in the person of Medvedev raise the retirement age in the country.

Quote: sergeyezhov

What Poklonskaya does is called factionalism and this is the deadliest thing for any party

Destructive for any party is not so much its factionalism as a criminal anti-national party policy. And you in Israel know this very well for the well-being of Israel.

Poklonskaya acted as a patriot-statesman - in the interests of the majority of the working people of the country, and the neoliberals of "United Russia" acted treacherously - in their own interests to personally remain compromisingly at the trough of the oligarchic system in the country.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Tatiana

Sorry, but we ourselves in Russia know better because of what the neoliberals in the person of Medvedev raise the retirement age in the country.

But in Russia, you can see much better the problems and solutions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, why are you denying me such "insight"?

Quote: Tatiana

anti-national party politics.

Whether or not there was a crime can only be determined by a court, and so far only an unpopular decision of the party in power is observed.

Quote: Tatiana

And you in Israel know this very well for the well-being of Israel.

There were several similar cases in Israel, after which a law was passed that a member of a certain party who decided to vote against its decision in parliament (the Knesset) must first leave the party.

[Fisher martin]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Wrong she did. There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit

So personal opinion means nothing?

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Fisher Martin

So personal opinion means nothing?

That means. During the internal party discussion. And when voting in parliament, everyone should vote according to the decision adopted by the party’s leadership.

[Zubr]

These are your stereotypes. And this is called expression of our own opinion. But party discipline, many good deeds ruined, including during the Soviet Union.

[d1975]

How many natural resources do we have? How many people are from the world? That's where the dog is buried! How many people live and how many millions are in poverty. And age has nothing to do with it. We must quietly peacefully change the system and plant more liberals, enough of this democracy, from Satan all this is Russian to us!

[Zubr]

There is nothing to do with democracy. No need to distort the meaning of the word itself. It is necessary to remove people who discredit the very principles and foundations of democracy.

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

There is such a thing as "party discipline."

And there is such a concept - "conscience." But the word is of Greek origin, cannot be translated into Hebrew!

Quote: sergeyezhov

Poklonskaya should have left the party to make her own list, and then she would have had a complete moral rule to vote against the decision of another party.

most likely she will. If the vile project DAM was voiced BEFORE the election - she would go to the polls and go on a separate list! But to voice this before the election ... pzhivchiki scoundrels, but you don’t really go.

Quote: sergeyezhov

What Poklonskaya does is called factionalism and this is the deadliest thing for any party.

When there is no factionalism, the success of the party depends only on the personality of the leader.
In the CPSU (b), factionalism Stalin rooted out during the Great Terror - but Stalin was an "effective manager", and everything went well with him. And when Stalin was replaced by the half-wit Khrushch, the party degenerated very quickly, and the 1991th is a logical result!

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Weyland

And there is such a concept - "conscience." But the word is of Greek origin, cannot be translated into Hebrew!

Conscience in Hebrew will be "matzpun." And the word "conscience" in Russian of Slavic origin is "co-know." And where does Hebrew come from?

Quote: Weyland

If the vile project DAM

And here is DAM, because he does not have his own opinion and only voices the opinion of another person. Or do you think Putin is not responsible?

Quote: Weyland

she would go to the polls and go on a separate list!

What is stopping her from quitting the party now?

Quote: Weyland

When there is no factionalism, the success of the party depends only on the personality of the leader

Agree

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

And the word "conscience" in Russian of Slavic origin is "co-know."

There is a notion of tracing in linguistics - a literal translation of a foreign word in parts (prefix-root-suffix), for example. im-press-ion = print-or-vor-stell-ung = presentation. The term "conscience" is purely Christian, and all variants - Russian Conscience, Latin / English / French con-sciense, German Ge-wissen - are traces of the Greek sin-eidos. So if "matzpun" is not tracing paper, then this is either neologism, or the translation is not quite adequate. And "what does Hebrew have to do with it" - I was guided by your flag.

Quote: sergeyezhov

Or do you think Putin is not responsible?

The DAM project is promoting, and Putin ... whoever understands them there, I did not hold a candle. But I also do not believe Putin at all

[skomfit]

So I think whose opinion Poklonskaya forgot to ask, but it turns out that she forgot to consult with the Jews. We are not discussing Israel here. That's how the topic of holons is raised, then you will tear the ass.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: skomfit

So I think whose opinion Poklonskaya forgot to ask, but it turns out that she forgot to consult with the Jews. We are not discussing Israel. That's how the topic of holons is raised, then you’ll tear the ass

And you contact the administration of the resource, let it be indicated in the rules.

[alexmach]

There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit certain party members.

I’ll ask one strange thing, but why then in such a picture of the world do all the other party members need at all? Why are they sitting there in this parliament, enjoying all sorts of privileges there? Expel everyone in the neck, leave only the leadership, even if it decides on its own, even if it controls all the "votes" that the party received in the elections. Judging by what is happening, this EDR is generally rotten through a dead structure. If anyone breaks up this Russia, then it is they.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: alexmach

I’ll ask one strange thing, but why then in such a picture of the world do all the other party members need at all?

The number of members of a particular party corresponds to the number of people who voted for it. Thus, the decision of the majority of the people during the elections is expressed in the number of party members in parliament.

[passing]

What Poklonskaya does is called factionalism and this is the deadliest thing for any party.

For this party, only drugs and alcohol are fatal.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: passing

For this party, only drugs and alcohol are fatal.

But the Russian population itself voted for it. No one bothered to vote for another party.

[naidas]

Quote: passing

For this batch, only drugs and alcohol are fatal.

You are mistaken - for this party fatal loss of loyalty to Putin-Medvedev is pernicious.

[Alber]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Quote: Black

In this case, Poklonskaya worthily proved herself not only as a national defender of the working people of Russia, but also as a person who opposed the creation of a threat to the national security of the Russian Federation from the entry into force of another manifestation of the external governance of Russia

Wrong she did. There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit certain party members. What makes Poklonskaya pure water populism. It is impossible not to raise the retirement age since funds are needed to wage war in Syria and Ukraine. You all recently voted for this by choosing Putin as president, who also leads the largest party in Russia. Poklonskaya should have left the party to make her own list, and then she would have had a complete moral rule to vote against the decision of another party. What Poklonskaya does is called factionalism and this is the deadliest thing for any party.

You are clever in Israel and give advice, there is nothing for us to impose our opinion!
They faded from the USSR (RUSSIA) to their Israel, that’s the wind in your back

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Alber

You are clever in Israel and give advice, there is nothing for us to impose our opinion!

I have already indicated that on these issues you should contact the administration of the resource, let the citizens of which nationalities are allowed to express their opinion in the rules.

Quote: Alber

They faded from the USSR (RUSSIA) to their Israel, that’s the wind in your back

To the Russians who moved to Russia from Central Asia, you also write: "Wind in the back"?

[Terenin]

Quote: Alber

You are clever in Israel and give advice, there is nothing for us to impose our opinion!
They faded from the USSR (RUSSIA) to their Israel, that’s the wind in your back

Well, they didn’t go there. And here is this and Poklonskaya? Obviously, the logic, so far on the side of Sergei. We must learn to polemize in essence.

[22 dmdc]

Well, how can it be without you?

[Terenin]

Quote: 22 dmdc

Well, how can it be without you?

Thank you Victor for noticing Do not worry about the Israeli policy I wrote earlier, you can read.

[Tatyana]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Quote: Tatiana
Sorry, but we ourselves in Russia know better because of what the neoliberals in the person of Medvedev raise the retirement age in the country.

But in Russia, you can see much better the problems and solutions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, why are you denying me such "insight"?

Firstly, because in this case you didn’t poke off the real cause of the problem, but, as they say, with your finger in the sky! By the principle - I’ll divorce someone else’s misfortune with my hands!

Quote: sergeyezhov

It is impossible not to raise the retirement age since funds are needed for the war in Syria and Ukraine.

And here, in your opinion, is the Pension Fund in Russia in general? Not from the PF in the Russian Federation MO funded! In the Russian Federation in general, the Ministry of Defense, the military and other civil servants are subsidized in all respects - including pensions, from the federal budget! Therefore, raising the retirement age for basic old-age pensions in 60 / 55 years in this case is absolutely nothing to do with!
The hidden meaning of pension reform # Boris Kagarlitsky. Published: 29 Jun. 2018

REFERENCE. Kagarlitsky Boris Yulievich is a well-known Russian sociologist, a left-wing publicist, and a candidate of political sciences.

Quote: sergeyezhov

Quote: Tatiana
anti-national party politics.

Whether or not there was a crime can only be determined by a court, and so far only an unpopular decision of the party in power is observed.

Do not think that the people are so stupid that they cannot distinguish simply unpopular politics from anti-national ones !! And for the court, it is necessary to have in the jurisdiction relevant legislative definitions for the reform itself, which are not yet available. There is no referendum on reform. And until the reform law itself is signed by the president of the country, there is no way to file it with the Constitutional Court.
However, already in the regions from the side of the unions, the authorities began TPABLU deputies voting AGAINST PENSION REFORM

For example. The categorical speech of Deputy Nikolai Bondarenko in the Saratov Regional Legislative Assembly against raising the retirement age, the police are already checking for extremism. Namely, for his expressions:
“Raising the retirement age is a duty to work until death”, “No money for pensioners? It’s a lie, the authorities just care only about themselves and the oligarchs ”,“ The government - crooks who need to be held accountable ”,“ The population is zombified by the success of the football team, if we defeated Croatia, we would have introduced serfdom in Russia. ”
As a matter of fact, for those truths that almost everyone speaks in the people - i.e. more than 90% of the adult population.

FIRE DEPUTY SPEECH ON Pension Reform! Posted on: 15 Jul. 2018

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Tatiana

Firstly, because in this case you didn’t poke off the real cause of the problem, but, as they say, with your finger in the sky! By the principle - I’ll divorce someone else’s misfortune with my hands!

Do you agree with me that you are not the ultimate absolute truth and your opinion is as subjective as mine? And as a consequence of your subjectivity, your assessment cannot be a criterion of the truth of my words. By the way, your words are ideally suited to your posts in the branches dedicated to Israel. Thanks for the quote.

Quote: Tatiana

Not from the PF in the Russian Federation MO funded! In the Russian Federation, in general, the Ministry of Defense, military and other civil servants are subsidized in all respects - including pensions, from the federal budget

Naturally, I am not a financial official, but I strongly suspect that there are no “living” money behind the figures in the PF. Otherwise, the provision of pensions would not depend on the number of working citizens. Most likely, the provision of money in the PF occurs as in any bank. People donate money there, but the bank does not store this money in the vault, but invests it in business. The whole difference is that most likely your authorities are investing your pension in the war in Syria and in other countries. And it doesn’t matter that formally the PF has nothing to do with MO. Your situation with Iran is too similar, where more recently the authorities also had to take unpopular measures to find finances to continue the war and that caused mass unrest there.

[Dart2027]

Quote: sergeyezhov

It is impossible not to raise the retirement age since funds are needed to wage war in Syria and Ukraine

Yes Yes Yes. In Ukraine, all parts of the Russian special forces and airborne forces died. And in Syria, 100500 thousand of our videoconferencing.
Not tired of repeating these tales?

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Dart2027

Yes Yes Yes. In Ukraine, all parts of the Russian special forces and airborne forces died. And in Syria, 100500 thousand of our videoconferencing.
Not tired of repeating these tales?

And where did I write about the losses? Do you think support for combat readiness of troops is a cheap thing. I do not know the figures for the Russian army, but for example an hour of flight of the F-16 (training) costs several tens of thousands of shekels. The sortie is naturally an order of magnitude larger. I don’t think that everything is much cheaper for you. Maintenance of armored vehicles and modern ammunition for it is not very cheap. War costs money, a lot of money.

[APASUS]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Wrong she did. There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit certain party members. What makes Poklonskaya pure water populism.

And then what is the choice of conscience?

Quote: sergeyezhov

It is impossible not to raise the retirement age since funds are needed for the war in Syria and Ukraine.

The budget includes oil at $ 40, the money goes in bulk.

Quote: sergeyezhov

. You all recently voted for this by choosing Putin as president,

You still tie the election to pension reform and best of all to Kudrin or Serdyukov, they say it's your choice!

Quote: sergeyezhov

What Poklonskaya does is called factionalism and this is the deadliest thing for any party

So is fractionalism or populism?

[Hire]

Poklonskaya - well done! The very first figured out what to do in order to go to the Duma in the fall as an independent candidate. And EdRo buried herself before the election. Maybe it was conceived?

[turcom]

And what is it you (not referring to you alone) is it so excited? The person has his own opinion, she said that she would make her own opinion.

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit certain party members.

the party and Lenin are twin brothers. Or, in a more adequate statement:

Pahan and shobla -
Well these are two bros:
which of them
six would you go
We say shobla
mean
goddamn,
We talk -
godfather
we mean shoblu.
(poem "Pakhan Kartavyi")

[helmi8]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Wrong she did. There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit certain party members.

What nonsense !!! The decision is made by a majority vote, and a minority is obliged to make this decision. But this does not mean that you are obliged to vote in favor if you do not agree. Learn the principle of democratic centralism.

[New Year day]

Quote: sergeyezhov

It is impossible not to raise the retirement age since funds are needed for the war in Syria and Ukraine.

then the war against whom will the GDP begin? Belarus?
let your personal savings with iPhone on the altar of victory give, then the people will penetrate. In the meantime, the poor are losing weight, and there are more billionaires.

[Evgeniy667b]

Natalya Vladimirovna Poklonskaya, maybe she is sometimes mistaken, But she has a conscience. And among United Russia there are many such as tumbleweed. Where the wind blows, they are sick there and roll

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

Poklonskaya, maybe sometimes makes mistakes, But she has a conscience. And among United Russia there are many such as tumbleweed.

Rather, this fact is not proven. As one acquaintance told me, in her place I would simply not even have joined EdRo! And she has a conscience for sure! So most likely in this case it is precisely factionalism and cheap populism.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

As one acquaintance told me, in her place I would simply not even have joined EdRo!

I will answer for Poklonskaya. In Crimea, Russia and Putin have always been idealized. After joining, the EDRO hung on all the pillars.

Poklonskaya, like all Crimeans, believed that EDRO works for the country, for the people. And when I got into this swamp, I thought about it. Just as all Crimeans are thinking now.

[saigon]

But from the age of ru, the guarantor has deigned to say that he does not like increasing his age and that he has money and what now to do and how to punish Natasha?

[MPN]

But I wonder if there is any loophole in the laws so that voters can recall their elect ahead of time, as if they did not justify the confidence of voters? For what kind of chosen one am I for what I elected him? What would he execute DAM commands?

[uskrabut]

Quote: MPN

so that voters can recall their elect before the deadline, if they did not justify the confidence of voters?

I thought about that too. Of course, I did not vote for the YEROVETS, they are like a herd — where they drive, they will run there. But it would be instructive for the deputies to receive a mandate of TALK from voters to leave deputies ahead of schedule.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: MPN

Is there any loophole in the laws so that voters can recall their elect ahead of time, as if they did not justify the confidence of voters? For what kind of chosen one am I for what I elected him?

Well, the question is first of all to you, why did you choose those whom you do not trust to decide your fate. And secondly, yes, it seems like there is an opportunity to express distrust, it is necessary to collect an initiative group, signatures there, and specifically send a petition to the party leadership with a claim, for which you want to recall the deputy. Consider. Something will be decided. It seems only like that.

[Zubr]

So who was there in EP right after it was formed? 80% former communists and Komsomol activists! And ATTENTION, they threw out party cards and Komsomol tickets before everyone else. But really worthy representatives of these movements, they did not change their opinion and desks. Tickets and Komsomol are still stored.

[d1975]

Unfortunately no ! There is no law on recalling a deputy! A pig will not bite a pig; a raven will not peck a raven's voice!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Logall

That's always the case: the decision is made for those who have forgotten to ask! Or did not consider it necessary ...

Hehehehe ... You will be surprised, but this is the classic parliamentary system. If you belong to a faction or party - be so kind as to vote as it was decided at the general meeting of the residents of our house. Otherwise, leave the faction or even lose the status of a deputy (if you passed the party list). In the cradle of parliamentarism for coercion to vote there are even specially appointed people - parliamentary organizers (they whips or whips).
Ms. Poklonskaya was elected to the State Duma of the VII convocation on the EdR list. You like to skate - love and sledge to carry. ©

[Weyland]

Quote: Alexey RA

In the cradle of parliamentarism, for coercion to vote, there are even specially appointed people - parliamentary organizers (they are whips or whips).

Oh, it’s not in vain that they are called that ... In the cradle of parliamentarism, almost the entire elite are graduates of 4 private schools (Winchester, Eaton, Harrow, Rugby), where hazing is so legalized that until 1999 "grandfathers" had the official right to cheat "salabons" and "scoops" with a rattan cane - these "grandfathers" were called "whips". The term from schools moved to parliament.

[alexmach]

All the same, parliamentary systems at different times and in different places can be different. Moreover, correct if I'm wrong, in current Russian legislation, leaving the faction means giving up the deputy mandate? if so then this approach in principle puts an end to parliamentarism as such ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Alexey RA

Ms. Poklonskaya was elected to the State Duma of the VII convocation on the EdR list. Do you like to ride - love and sleigh to carry.

and she will take it and in protest will leave the EDRA. Imagine what the response will be! EDRO will stand in front of her on the wheels - do not leave. After all, then they are in Crimea cranes

[Sergej1972]

It all depends on the specific country and even on the particular party. In the USA, for example, there is no strict party discipline. In the Bundestag, the Federal Republic of Germany is not uncommon when some deputies from parties in the ruling coalition vote against some government bills.

[GUSAR]

duck is very communist!

[Fisher martin]

Quote: GUSAR

duck is very communist!

Communism has nothing to do with it.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Thrall

And my psychiatrist friend says that too ...

Does he know that you use a computer in his absence?

[7gor]

Thrall fell already, you're not interested!

[prapor75m]

or maybe not a friend, but the attending physician

[bk316]

And my psychiatrist friend says that too ...

You know, from the point of view of the average near average man, the principles are generally harmful and incomprehensible. After all, Giordano Bruno, Karbyshev and Prokhorenko died. And the principles did not help them. That's the truth, we remember them, but forgotten those ordinary people who lived next to them.
And if without heroes, but a LITTLE-LITTLE way of thinking about life (which of course is forbidden to the average person), then it turns out that the principles really help. For example, I NEVER pay bribes to gay people, you know how easy it becomes to talk to them and how interesting it is to look at their faces? No, it’s true there are even those recently that are nice to look at, probably they also have principles ...

[New Year day]

Quote: bk316

For example, I NEVER pay bribes to gay people, you know how easy it becomes to talk to them and how interesting it is to look at their faces?

that's for sure, and their eyes are running, and afraid to say

[Weyland]

Quote: Thrall

And my psychiatrist friend says that too ...

and what did he treat you for?

[Topotun]

And why should she adhere to the party line? It seems we have a democracy. Her point of view can be respected, not respected, but this is her point of view. And she has a right to her. That for me she’s done well, firmly defends what she believes in. For our Duma this is not at all characteristic. Moreover, such people do not work there for a long time.

[Alber]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles.

And my psychiatrist friend says that too ...

Your psychiatrist at the rabbi noted?

[Egv]

What is your doctor?

[tomket]

Quote: Thrall

And my psychiatrist friend says that too ...

An hour you are not behind the EP drown here? And the fact that your attempts are incomprehensible.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles. Voted conscientiously.

The principles and conscience did not prevent her from going to parliament on the EdRa list. And then they suddenly woke up.
Once again: went through the party list - vote as the party decided. Or hand over the mandate and be reelected as an independent candidate. This is a classic of party parliamentarism.

[voffchik7691]

Alexey RA
"Once again: went through the party list - vote as the party decided. Or hand over the mandate and be re-elected as an independent candidate."

And you, dear, do not remember how in the Duma a crowd of deputies were elected from certain parties, and then together (within a couple of days) they ran to EdRo and not a single dog surrendered his mandate ?! I remember then in this way and the majority got it ...

[Weyland]

Quote: Alexey RA

The principles and conscience did not prevent her from going to parliament on the EdRa list.

Poklonskaya , it seems, she thought that she could make a difference in the Duma for the better (taking into account what posts she holds there). This could be considered naivety - but Portos, who didn’t shine with his mind, knew that a naive prosecutor was a rarity. Most likely, the reason is that she is still young - the power of the CPSU collapsed during her childhood, until 2016 she was not a member of any parties. so I was unfamiliar with the rule

Quote: Alexey RA

went through the party list - vote as the party decided. Or hand over the mandate and be reelected as an independent candidate. This is a classic of party parliamentarism.

[alexmach]

Once again: went through the party list - vote as the party decided. Or hand over the mandate and be reelected as an independent candidate. This is a classic of party parliamentarism.

So it’s like you can’t be re-elected an independent candidate in Russia. You can only after the list of parties. Or am I wrong?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: alexmach

So it’s like you can’t be re-elected an independent candidate in Russia. You can only after the list of parties. Or am I wrong?

In the 2016 elections, half of the deputies were elected to the Duma by party lists, and half by the results of voting in single-member constituencies.

[alexmach]

Yeah, there are majority leaders, but I didn’t know that. Then perhaps you are right.

[Sergej1972]

All majority-elected deputies elected to the Duma are elected from parties.

[KVIRTU]

It will be necessary, re-elect. In contrast to these: R. Balbek, S. Savchenko, M. Sheremet, A. Kosenko, K. Bakharev, EP deputies from Crimea who voted for pension reform.

[svp67]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

How much they laughed and humiliated Poklonskaya (her crusade against Matilda was indeed an absurd attempt to censor a harmless love drama)

And it was for what. But in this case, I'm on her side.

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

her act is worthy of respect, the only one of her faction bluntly said a firm no.

Exactly, unlike the "men" who went on sick leave that day, apparently they had "difficult days" then ....

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles

Natalya - KEEP

[Per se.]

Quote: svp67

But in this case, I'm on her side.

Oh yeah! She is a Woman, and women can have their little whims. However, in this particular case, I'm on her side too.

[SERGUS]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles.

People with principles in EP do not enter.

[tomket]

Quote: SERGUS

People with principles in the EP do not enter

Well, how would Poklonskaya from the Crimea, if you have not forgotten. And after the accession, EP as well as the President enjoyed unquestioned authority. EP party presidential, not forgotten? Because it is logical to go to the EP. Poklonskaya is not such an inveterate dissident and fighter as you.

[New Year day]

Quote: tomket

And after the accession, EP as well as the President enjoyed unquestioned authority.

in Crimea, almost everyone thought so, but now Crimea is on fire. In Sevastopol, rallies have already begun.
I must say that after 4 years, the attitude towards power and Putin rolled down.

[SERGUS]

Quote: tomket

EP party of the president, do not forget? Therefore, it is quite logical to go to United Russia.

Directly the logic of an opportunist.

Quote: tomket

a dissident and a fighter like you.

I don’t fight with anyone at all, it’s just that comments like Tsar Poklonskaya went too far, but now she’s corrected. Well, I personally do not see her as a fighter for justice, but I see in her an actress who plays in public, that's all.

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

an absurd attempt to censor a harmless love drama

“M-yes” is not a harmless love drama, but an information swill. Its now in abundance, but this does not mean that it has become the norm. The personality of Nicholas II in the film is just a spectacularly slandered "material." If infected with tolerance - why boast and be surprised that someone escaped this?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: For example

may neverov first think why Poklonskaya against?

SR, LDPR, the Communist Party and the United Democratic Party in a single rush stood welcoming Amer senators. Poklonskaya scored.
By the way, the communists poured water on her site, she is a monarchist. Now keep quiet in a rag

[For example]

Maybe it was necessary on the contrary, Russia to join the Crimea? At least spiritually. Selling now somehow everything in the Russian Duma. Ovations of deputies of the Duma to mattresses cynically look against the background of sanctions and American non-recognition of Crimea.

[dauria]

Maybe it was necessary on the contrary, Russia to join the Crimea? At least spiritually

If you all had people like Natalya ... Edross Aksyonov, how are you doing there? Putin to the kingdom and approval? But the man was ... Copper pipes - they are like that, worse than fire.

[KVIRTU]

Something like this: “The family members of Sergei Aksenov and his friends in power could not have been noticed if it were not for ordinary Crimeans. Most of the family’s enterprises operate“ quietly ”and do not get into scandals.”
“In the first three years of Crimea as a part of Russia, Elena Aksenova’s income grew almost 11 times: from 2,9 million rubles in 2014 to 32,8 million rubles in 2016. She is the seventh in terms of income among the wives of Russian governors. And in the declaration of her income appear BMW for $ 120, a house of 000 sq. M, two land plots, three apartments and six non-residential premises. "

[uskrabut]

Quote: For example

Ovations of deputies of the Duma to mattresses cynically look against the background of sanctions and Americans not recognizing Crimea

Well, they can’t help but lick America’s backside, they have families and property and money in the states and they’re on a business trip

[Terenin]

Quote: uskrabut

Well, they can’t help but lick America’s backside, they have families and property and money in the states and they’re on a business trip

With tongue removed. All right.

[dauria]

With tongue removed. All right.

The roll-call voting list is here.

http://vote.duma.gov.ru/vote/104876


well, and this is common in batches ... Natalya is alone against 328 edrosov. You know how, men? Many would have eaten "good" for both cheeks in its place and would not protrude

[asiat_61]

For example, Today, 12: 13..Other Zadornov said: only walls are not criminal in the Kremlin.

[New Year day]

Quote: For example

Maybe it was necessary on the contrary, Russia to join the Crimea?

I thought so too. The mentality of Crimeans is different from the mainland. If the Crimea “lights up”, and everything goes to this, then any actions of the guardsmen can result in something terrible.
Already, there are areas near Simferopol where the police try not to call, and if they go, then with machine gunners. On YouTube, there are many videos about this. Then Russia in Crimea will end.

[KVIRTU]

Yes of course. Brooklyn in Simferopol :)
Here in any n.p. Tatars usually live compactly, a remote private sector, because the police, when conducting any more or less serious events, attract riot police to secure.
I personally do not mind if, from my taxes, they will once again fill up the OMON on-duty bus, or have forgotten how these guys famously undermined power lines in the Crimea, etc.?

[Gnefredov]

People in the photo - Gods visited us!
Poklonskaya (to himself) is a crowd of idiots.
PS Natasha well done! Keep it up! If you get choked, return home, we will only be happy. We wait!

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

SR, LDPR, the Communist Party and the United Democratic Party in a single rush stood welcoming Amer senators. Poklonskaya scored.

Yes, it is interesting how they all rejoice that the Washington delegation has arrived.

[Hellraiser]

King
Where don't spit, don’t poke things
From ministers to relatives.
All solid freethinkers
All pests are alone.
Well, zhist, already in my throat,
There is no sympathy in anyone.
(The Tale of Fedot)

[SSR]

Quote: For example

Maybe Neverov first thinks WHY Poklonskaya against?
Or is EP not welcome to think?
Apparently there are only slime dishes.

The fact that there is a majority of lysooblyud and stuck to power, this is not necessary to guess.
Imha. Soon we will collect votes in chang.org in defense of Poklonskaya.

Quote: sergeyezhov

Wrong she did. There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means

And there is such a thing as Conscience.
There are cases when the Nazis shot their soldiers because they refused to obey the order to shoot and to destroy civilians.
I dare to suggest that you from the western ruins moved to Israel.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote from S.S.R.

There are cases when the Nazis shot their soldiers because they refused to obey the order to shoot and to destroy civilians.

Yes, there were such cases in the Wehrmacht, but the analogy is not very successful. If by the way to use the analogies with the Reich, it is better to remember that Hitler came to power in a completely democratic way. Is the German people to blame for bringing to power the leader who brought the country to a crisis of 45 years?
Accusing the party of power of lack of conscience you also blame the leader of your state for its absence. And also cast a shadow on all the people who recently voted for this party.

Quote from S.S.R.

I dare to suggest that you from the western ruins moved to Israel.

Moscow.

[SSR]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Accusing the party of power of lack of conscience you also blame the leader of your state for its absence. And also cast a shadow on all the people who recently voted for this party.

Ah ha ha!))) You deftly returned the people, the leader and the party in power. )))
I remind you.

Quote: sergeyezhov

Wrong she did. There is such a thing as "party discipline." It means that all party members obey the decision of the leadership, even if the decision does not suit certain party members.

Quote from S.S.R.

And there’s such a thing as Conscience

She did as she did, then her act is evaluated!
How she will shake the party, maybe they want to shoot her, this is the fourth case.
Only here it is not necessary to attribute what you attributed above. )))

[volot-voin]

Quote: For example

Maybe Neverov first thinks WHY Poklonskaya against?
Or is EP not welcome to think?

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles.

Poklonskaya is the hero of the Russian spring, and as you said, a girl with principles. I treat her with great respect (I do not fully share her beliefs, for example about Nicholas II), I think there would be more of them.

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Voted conscientiously.

What is so lacking for the rest of the EP members, the same Neverov forgot how he went with his helmet to knock, where are his principles now?

[New Year day]

Quote: For example

Maybe Neverov thinks first

What should he think? Not what. The iPhone told him, he is fulfilling. In general, Poklonskaya can make them rustle. Bandits with guns did not break her, grandmothers will break?

[asiat_61]

Or is it not welcome to think in EP? ... You don’t need to think until you are kicked out of work.

[210ox]

Well, you really are a child .. They won’t run away anywhere. Who will leave the "farmyard"? Only for slaughter. And in the next convocation they will have the majority.

Quote: For example

Maybe Neverov first thinks WHY Poklonskaya against?
Or is EP not welcome to think?
Apparently there are only slime dishes. So much the worse for EP. With what speed the members ran into this party with the same speed and will run away from it. Rats running from a sinking ship will envy the agility of these members.

[Partisan Kramaha]

Now, here, such garbage at one time was with a party of regions and how did it end?

[New Year day]

Quote: Partizan Kramaha

Now, here, such garbage at one time was with a party of regions and how did it end?

I repeat for a long time that Russia is following the path of Ukraine. At first, discontent builds up slowly, the authority of the people fades and suddenly ...

[Maz]

What is there to think? - to elect the President of Russia, and all the short-lived, nowhere worse. :)

[Weyland]

Quote: Maz

To elect the President of Russia, and for a short time, there is nowhere worse.

why is "worse nowhere"? I’m in favor with both hands - she’ll pinch her tail to the oligarchs (unless, of course, they kill her)!

[MPN]

Quote: Thrall

It's time to try to act with medication,
... for now, not forcibly

Crouched ... These people have nothing sacred ... She alone turned out to be a "man", she lowered them all below the baseboard, unless they can fly higher, they can only lower ..., the law of the chicken coop however ...

[Thrall]

Quote: MPN

These have nothing holy ...

There is a chance if she pacifies herself

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Thrall

There is a chance if she pacifies herself

So far, at the sight of Poklonskaya, the Bolsheviks "myrrh"

[Fisher martin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So far, at the sight of Poklonskaya, the Bolsheviks "myrrh"

While "streaming" here only you. And Poklonskaya well done.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Fisher Martin

A Poklonskaya well done

Say it again. Hello Bolsheviks stroke

[Fisher martin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Say it again. Hello Bolsheviks stroke

And I will say. The Bolsheviks had nerves of iron and never had a stroke. And you continue to "myrrh-streaming"

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Fisher Martin

. The Bolsheviks have nerves of iron

Can I look at them?

[Fisher martin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Can I look at them?

Can. Join the Communist Party. They still exist there, the Communist Party is not only Zu

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Fisher Martin

Can. Join the Communist Party. There they are still there

Yeah, I noticed, not noticing the difference with Edrom and the Liberal Democratic Party, when the Communist Party standing clapping amers.
Are you also clapping standing amers?

[Fisher martin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yeah, I noticed, not noticing the difference with Edrom and the Liberal Democratic Party, when the Communist Party standing clapping amers.

I have good friends there (they work at regional levels) and not all of them support Zu, including this story with congressmen. But Poklonskaya showed that she has her own opinion and she is ready to defend it

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Fisher Martin

I have good friends there (they work at regional levels) and not all of them support Zu,

I remember Voronenkov.
And when will Grudinin fall to Ukraine?

[Fisher martin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And when will Grudinin fall to Ukraine?

And where does Grudinin? And what does Voronenkov have to do with it?

[zoolu350]

Probably immediately after Medvedev and Putin.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Can I look at them?

On the iron nerves of the Bolsheviks? so go into the Mausoleum on Krasnaya Sq., there is one, the main one, it’s just when the solution is changed, inside you can probably look at the nerves ...

[Fisher martin]

Well tyk Ilyich is not only "iron", he is also forever alive

[zoolu350]

We make fun of Nyashin with transcendental monarchism; she is nevertheless beautiful and principled. Well, here we are kicking in VO, so that it would be disgraceful.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: MPN

These have nothing holy ...

There is a chance if she pacifies herself

I think you just want Poklonskaya as a woman? Right?

[zoolu350]

To want a beautiful woman is the duty of a normal man. You are the “blue princes” and “white acacia fragrant clusters” buncrusts. And we are proletarian ..

[Solomon Kane]

lowered them all below the baseboard,

... and there, along the way, no one rose above this level ....
If you want to lose the trust of the people - start "cutting the social network" ...
125 "pence" from the State Duma, who receive a considerable pension and salary .... vote "For" the adoption of the reform, give your pension to the people, you bastards!

[Thrall]

Quote: Solomon Kane

If you want to lose the trust of the people - start "cutting social programs"

Very often, joy for social affairs occurs at the level of ordinary populism. And the unpopularity of a real recovery in economic policy has become the norm.

[Zefr]

the unpopularity of real economic recovery has become the norm

Give an example. Attempts at healing at the expense of social programs are, yes, constantly carried out. Where is the result?

[For example]

Quote: Thrall

And the unpopularity of a real recovery in economic policy has become the norm.

Who has revitalized the economy in Russia? Name the surname.
The last thirty-five years, the economy of our country has just collapsed. And you living "independently" of your native country speak of recovery?
Or did your friend psychiatrist say this again?

[larand]

Thrall, you should go now, otherwise the cash desk will be closed.

[Fisher martin]

Quote: larand

Thrall, you should go now, otherwise the cash desk will be closed.

And he is unkempt

[asiat_61]

Is raising the retirement age a healthy economy? Glory to the Unicorns !!! And in a different economy, how can you not move? If you want to lose the trust of the people - start "cutting the social network"
Very often, joy for social affairs occurs at the level of ordinary populism. And the unpopularity of a real recovery in economic policy has become the norm.

[asiat_61]

rally Today, 12:14 ↑ Is raising the retirement age an improvement in the economy? Tell us where you can read such nonsense.

[AUL]

Expelled from edra. That trouble will be ...
An interesting point - it was decided to vote "consolidated". That’s the way the party chairman, DAM, tells us, not the way the conscience and knowledge of the people's deputy suggest. So what for then the whole fraction in the Duma, if the opinion of one DAM is enough?

[MPN]

Quote from AUL

if the opinion of one DAM is enough?

Thanks to such a position of the people’s representatives, who don’t have their own opinion and who don’t have their own opinion (which even a woman can collectively oppose), EP no longer exists for me !!!

[Zubr]

I won’t be surprised if a very large share of the EP’s corps begins with the stolen to blame for the hill, away from retaliation. In EP, thorough cleaning is needed. The main thing is not to give this gang, to the joy of the mattresses, a new revolution in the country. Correctly, General Ivashov said at the expense of DAM. On YouTube there is his interview.

[MPN]

It is necessary to adopt a law on early recall of deputies by voters, as they did not justify the confidence, I am sure that 90% would be withdrawn from the EP today. This is the minimum ..

[Zubr]

I agree with you completely. And in addition, oblige state. To the Duma, by law, to establish direct lines with voters every six months, so that we can see the results of their work and hear the voice of the people. And then they bred the monarchy within the party. And according to the results, it is up to us people to issue a verdict on legal capacity and recall of a deputy’s mandate.

[Weyland]

Quote: MPN

It is necessary to adopt a law on early recall of deputies by voters

and who will accept? Thought? Bees versus honey?

[Zefr]

It does not go into any gates at all. If only they would keep quiet silently.
Inside the party - consolidate at least twice a night. And in the Duma, to vote on the basis of a party order — what is the point then in this "deputy"? That is, they all, as it were, individuals, won the election, have their own program, represent some kind of district, take orders from voters. And when it comes to business, they vote as they command. And here also Poklonskaya showed their insignificance. Circus to the horses.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Zefr

And in the Duma, to vote on the basis of a party order — what is the point then in this "deputy"? T

The whole physical meaning of the party in parliament is that it is part of the people (hence the word "party") united by any common ideology and acting together in accordance with it.

[Zubr]

Anti-scientific nonsense. But what about logic and common sense? This is not a party, but a herd of sheep.

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

part of the people (hence the word "party") united by any common ideology

That's it - and does EdR have it? The LDPR has it, the Communists have it, but the PZhiVchikov didn’t. "Get more!" - this is not an ideology!

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Weyland

here at PZhiVchikov - did not notice. "Get more!" is not an ideology

Why, then, did people vote for this party?

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Why, then, did people vote for this party?

The majority opinion is always erroneous, for most people are idiots (Edgar Allan Poe).

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Weyland

The majority opinion is always erroneous, for most people are idiots (Edgar Allan Poe).

Are you the people of your own country call it that?

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Are you the people of your own country call it that?

No, only that part of it who votes for PZhiVchikov !

[Zefr]

Quote: sergeyezhov

part of the people (hence the word "party") united by any common ideology

Well, as it were, there can be one ideology, but opinions on the issue are different.
And in order to comply with ideology, it is necessary to voice it, for example, in the form of a party program. At least in the form of intentions. Let unattainable. But giving a guideline for movement.
I do not know any program from EDR. And I think no one knows. How can one break that which is not?

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Zefr

I do not know any program from EDR. And I think no one knows. How can one break that which is not?

Again, it is not clear why people voted for what is not.

[Baloo]

Quote: MPN

She alone turned out to be a "man"

[Imobile]

And why did you decide? I wrote earlier - a thought is a performance where everyone plays a role, someone is a little red riding hood, and someone is a wolf. Why did you decide that she didn’t specifically ask her, so that she would be the first to come from the EP in the elections and not show off on all billboards — would she vote against the PR?

[freddyk]

Quote: Imobile

what did you decide that you didn’t specifically ask her, so that in the elections she would go first from EP and not show off on all billboards — would she vote against PR?

Not logical. She went against the party’s decision. And in elections, we vote for parties, not individual representatives. It can become a trump card of another party, but not EP.

[Imobile]

Come on, then there would not be all these athletes, artists, boxers ...

[asiat_61]

If I understand correctly, the unicorns have a fraction of the Mensheviks?

[Zefr]

Why did you decide that she didn’t specifically ask her, so that she would be the first to come from the EP in the elections and not show off on all billboards — would she vote against the PR?

That is, for the people to vote for EP, do you need a person who acts against EP and does not approve decisions made within the party?
And then, put forward by the first list?
I somehow even thought. This is such nonsense that maybe not nonsense at all.

[Weyland]

Quote: dmlescs

For a long time it is time to force it to pump up halopered

That's right: "our power is so perfect that only a madman can be against it!" Just so soft? Offer at once a straitjacket, chlorpromazine, sulfazine - the Communists have a lot of "punitive psychiatry" came up with!

[dmlescs]

Do not think for me to the extent of your limitations, I only said what I said

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dmlescs

Do not think for me to the extent of your limitations,

Mr. United Russia party, we are all just happy that you decided to visit our site.
We really appreciate it, do not hesitate. Can your photo, such as you should know in person the whole country ..

[dmlescs]

And what are you going with my photo as an icon on a stick on a pilgrimage across the country? He asked me not to think of one, but immediately got in the one that is thinking for everyone. Do you have a party here?

[Zubr]

You are talking masters, that's just use from you like a goat's milk.

[Weyland]

Quote: dmlescs

I only said what I said

as the Romans said: "smart is enough." You said enough to understand your point, pzhi !

[Zubr]

Have you tried this drug on yourself? Share your experience?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Zubr

Have you tried this drug on yourself? ABOUT

No, they tested on the Bolsheviks, it works. They become calm, they lose the desire to kill compatriots

[Non liberoid Russian]

start with yourself ... what’s the matter to our deputies? look at your puppets

[Weyland]

Quote: Thrall

It's time to try to influence Nyasha with medication,

Oh, here on the forum and PZhiVchiki drew up? For good reason licked Dimona, take a pie from the shelf!

[Semyonych]

Thrall

It’s time to already try to influence Nyasha medically

, Start by starting to work on yourself. Refuse pension if you are a pensioner or paycheck if you work.

[Evgeny Strygin]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ETOGES how much nonsense carried, but it was worth only raising a leg for pension reform! Damn tragicomedy.

[dmlescs]

Quote: Yevgeny Strygin

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ETOGES how much nonsense carried, but it was worth only raising a leg for pension reform! Damn tragicomedy.

This is because they think with a belly, not a head. And the belly has a short memory and there are only two goals.

[Evgeny Strygin]

rather entry and exit one at a time.

[den3080]

I remember the video footage from the television news, Crimea, March / April 2014: Poklonskaya in a soldier’s pea coat “from her father’s shoulder” ... some kind of a semi-military trailer ... and her tenacity and courage: nothing, let’s figure it out, we have nowhere to retreat! our cause is right!

Respect
There, dozens of her colleagues (men) were put in their pants and preferred to hide in dark corners. But she is not.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Thrall

It's time to try to influence Nyasha with medication,
... for now, not forcibly

Actually, Nyasha. Nyasha - swamp swamp, silt; the liquid, viscous and marshy (filled with mud and mud) bottom of the lake or the sea coast in the north of the European part of Russia and in Siberia. This is suitable for it. Aksenov rubs his hands that he got rid of it.

[RUSS]

In free swimming decided to go, or by the will of the heart voted against?

[Maz]

But there are options, for a long time in Russia there were no empresses

Quote: RUSS

In free swimming decided to go, or by the will of the heart voted against?

[parusnik]

1937 Military process in the case of Tukhachevsky. Of all the defendants M.N. Tukhachevsky, I.E. Yakir, I.P. Uborevich and the rest, only Primakov said that he would not plead guilty ... Further in the process, he certainly exposed himself ... There probably is a similar game .. They will accuse. They will condemn. They will not exclude it. But they will create authority for the party. Look what kind of people we have.

[Fisher martin]

Quote: parusnik

1937 Military process in the case of Tukhachevsky. Of all the defendants M.N. Tukhachevsky, I.E. Yakir, I.P. Uborevich and the rest, only Primakov said that he would not plead guilty ... Further in the process, he certainly exposed himself ... There probably is a similar game .. They will accuse. They will condemn. They will not exclude it. But they will create authority for the party. Look what kind of people we have.

Come on, you have something to remember. She will be fine, I hope

[parusnik]

I have no doubt, of course everything will be fine .. It will become the face of the party ... In September they will vote not for EP, for Poklonskaya ... but in fact for EP .. when there are such people in the party ...

[Fisher martin]

Do you think that the girl is "self-promoting", I apologize for the tautology?

[parusnik]

Why do you offend the girl, "self-promoting", in the order of party discipline .. And if small people are gathered in the party - give up, enemy, freeze and lie down! The party is a million-fingered hand, squeezed into one smashing fist ....

[Fisher martin]

Quote: parusnik

Why do you offend the girl, "self-promoting", in the order of party discipline .. And if small people are gathered in the party - give up, enemy, freeze and lie down! The party is a million-fingered hand, squeezed into one smashing fist ....

Clear. Well, wait and see

[parusnik]

Yes, see the end of the world, not retirement .

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Fisher Martin

....... Yes, come on, you found something to remember. She will be fine, I hope

Okay ---- is that how? Again with a portrait?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: parusnik

....... But they will create authority for the party. Look what kind of people we have.

Is it only for the party? ... We say Poklonskaya ----- we think: Nikolay2.

[Fisher martin]

Quote: RUSS

In free swimming decided to go, or by the will of the heart voted against?

No, she’s just a decent person. Albeit with a jump

[Weyland]

Quote: RUSS

In free swimming decided to go, or by the will of the heart voted against?

it does not interfere

[Labrador]

Well, that’s ... now Natasha’s gnawing fans.
How does she not care about the welfare of the people ?! Mess!

[gavrila2984]

Please do something with her.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gavrila2984

Please do something with her.

Didn’t you like that she didn’t get up when the US senators pushed into the Duma?

[Weyland]

Quote: gavrila2984

Please do something with her.

- He always stirs up water! - Educate the governor!
- Angered me to pain! “Is he with the enemy for one?”
“He is a traitor!” - For him, the king does not mean anything!
- For a parent, happy, beat him! - Hold the villain!
(the voivode scatters the settled boyars and grabs the ax from behind the belt)

[Pharao7766]

And these people dare yapping towards the USSR ...
Yes, the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee is just a hotbed of freethinkers compared to these

[Fisher martin]

Quote: Pharao7766

And these people dare yapping towards the USSR ...
Yes, the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee is just a hotbed of freethinkers compared to these

Party discipline - it has been at all times.

[dgonni]

(Recently it was reported that dissatisfaction with the pension reform is ripening in the regions. The project received minimal support in Chechnya, Dagestan, the Kamchatka Territory, Yakutia, Vladimir, Irkutsk, Kemerovo, Omsk and other regions of Russia.[i] [/ i]) Is it easier to write something? Chechnya sent a project in three funny letters and is not going to fill it! A Poklonskaya beauty! One of her party that didn’t shoot her voters in the back!

[The Siberian barber]

"democracy" in all its glory!))
Without "frills" everything is "honestly"))
Now they will collect stones, in a heavier way, shit in a fragrant way ..
It is interesting to listen to the defenders of democracy and the current "reforms"))
Again "approvals"?

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

It is interesting to listen to the defenders of democracy and the current "reforms"))
Again "approvals"?

Yes, the 72 of the region seem to have sent their agreed "approvals", such as signed by the representative of the people. A few more were asked to finalize, but also generally in agreement .... So, people also agree!

[anjey]

We take Poklonskaya instead of Medvedev unanimously, unless it's just an empty PR of this diva ....

[PalBor]

Quote: anjey

We take Poklonskaya instead of Medvedev unanimously, unless it's just an empty PR of this diva ....

No, she’s just an honest nyasha-naive. He still believes that in politics there is a concept of conscience.
Therefore, the post of prime minister is not suitable. There will be more harm from it. But the deputy self-nominated is quite.

[anjey]

Something hardly believes in her naive, such people do not crawl to the top, she is led by good curators, obviously ....

[Weyland]

Quote: PalBor

she's just an honest nyasha-naivnyasha.

Portos, who wasn’t even brilliant in his mind, knew that a naive prosecutor was a rarity.

Quote: PalBor

He still believes that in politics there is a concept of conscience.

In external a policy of having a conscience is really contraindicated. But for her we have a president. But in internal politics - no, enough of us unscrupulous !
As there Aristophanes was:

O people! How can another citizen love you hotter and stronger?
After all, since I sit on the Council, I have filled the treasury with money to the brim.
I froze some, and strangled others, intimidated, robbed and entangled,
I have spared no one from the citizens, to please you alone thinking.

[heavy division]

The only person from all of United Russia who is against this so-called pension reform. Well done girl!

[Non liberoid Russian]

so she’s not the only one, and she’s not against, she just doesn’t like some points

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Heavy Division

Well done girl!

The girl ended up with eggs

[Wedmak]

And what, freedom of opinion has been canceled here? She expressed her opinion, why should she be punished for this? In my opinion, someone in our Duma has lost the coast.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Wedmak

And what, freedom of opinion has been canceled here?

For the elect on the party list, freedom ends after the party decides. Party discipline, however ... And this is not only with us, but also in Britain.
And there are freedom of opinion - among independent candidates who have passed to the Duma. But Poklonskaya does not apply to them - she ended up in the Duma on the EdR list.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alexey RA

And there is freedom of opinion - independent candidates

But are they there, in general?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mordvin 3

But are they there, in general?

Formally, a candidate who has passed to the Duma as a result of a personal vote (not on a party list) can be independent - he reports only to his voters.
By the way, for a party candidate, voters in fact are the party leadership, which included him in the party list.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alexey RA

Formally, a candidate who has passed to the Duma as a result of a personal vote (not on a party list) can be independent - he reports only to his voters.

I know. Vika suggested that in the last election, 1 (alone) independent passed.

[Alexander Ra]

Quote: Alexey RA

For the elect on the party list, freedom ends after the party decides.

The third article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the trash is easy.

[Igor V]

As it is, everything is in the foot, only one is not in the foot. Yes, I remember, I did not get up at the sight of the sun-like American deputies, I looked at them with insufficient reverence! So no place in the EP, and in the State Duma - too! Look, you decided to work with your head, and where? In the State Duma !!!
It is sad.

[parusnik]

The Duma fraction of United Russia (EP) will discuss various options for the possible impact on the deputy Natalya Poklonskaya, who in the first reading voted against the bill introducing amendments to the pension system of the Russian Federation

..... Accused of "Trotskyism" and expelled from the party ... Here is such an inner-party pluralism of opinions ..

the presidium of the party’s general council adopted a decision, agreed with Dmitry Medvedev (chairman of EP), to support this bill. It was also decided on a consolidated vote.

... Like, to bind everyone with the "blood" .. Like in a gang .. The consolidated vote is only beautifully called ..

[Okolotochny]

A dissenting "turn off the gas."

[Dezinto]

No matter how anyone relates to her, and no matter how I treat her, baiting for personal opinion is already beyond! This is a game, and some kind of nonsense. What nafig, why then do the deputies have a second button? To be honest, honestly.

[The Siberian barber]

The second button, for self-destruction ..))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: DEZINTO

This is a game, and some kind of nonsense. What nafig, why then do the deputies have a second button?

To press it if the party so decides. And then everyone is ready to go to the Duma through party lists, without personal pre-election discussions and votes on a specific candidate, but after that they will not fulfill the duties of a party candidate.

[16112014nk]

United Russia will discuss various options ...
"The State Duma is not a place for discussion" ©
And Poklonskaya in this case must say: "Thank you!"

[HAM]

But what about the vaunted pluralism of opinions! ??

[Dezinto]

But what about the vaunted pluralism of opinions! ??

He was praised and asked not to lean out.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: HAM

But what about the vaunted pluralism of opinions! ??

Bear Gorbachev communized to Germany.

[Curious]

Something like that is a mess. Literally on the same branch, cubic meters of boiling water are delighted with the three-second clip about the "Dagger" and the same cubic meters of boiling water are generated by people indignant at the pension reform. Moreover, there are members of society who are enthusiastic about the rocket and are unhappy with the pension reform. You already somehow decide what you need - missiles or pensions. At the same time, both countries are not pulling.

[The Siberian barber]

Why do you raise the question, exactly ??
How about spending efficiency? How, on account of the "appetite" of the managerial link ??
With the current approach, no “reform” will help))

[Curious]

You fundamentally raise the question incorrectly, considering the cake as a whole. The cake has a guaranteed and inviolable part, which is not divided by definition. Leftovers and crumbs can be distributed.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Curious

You fundamentally raise the question incorrectly, considering the cake as a whole. The cake has a guaranteed and inviolable part, which is not divided by definition. Leftovers and crumbs can be distributed.

I probably understand the essence of your arguments, but I would like the pie to be bigger, the crumbs to be, respectively.
And here, instead of trying to make the cake bigger, they try to preserve what is left by sweeping the crumbs

[Weyland]

Quote: Curious

You already somehow decide what you need - missiles or pensions. At the same time, both countries are not pulling.

If the oligarchs and corrupt officials pinched - no problem pulling!

[Karenius]

Quote: Weyland

Quote: Curious

You already somehow decide what you need - missiles or pensions. At the same time, both countries are not pulling.

If the oligarchs and corrupt officials pinched - no problem pulling!

Today Pashinyan turned on what was said the other day ... He says that it happened that he stopped the rapporteur on identifying embezzlers with the words: "for today I have enough information ... I just can’t stand it anymore." He says that he no longer knows, out of fear, how much information to give out to the people, so as not to cause rage ...

[Weyland]

Quote: Karenius

He says that he no longer knows, out of fear, how much information to give out to the people, so as not to cause rage ...

Or is it better to call? You do not have the death penalty, and if the people themselves are lynching this m-oz - the state, it seems, has nothing to do with it, they simply could not cope with the indignation of the people!

[Karenius]

Quote: Weyland

Quote: Karenius

He says that he no longer knows, out of fear, how much information to give out to the people, so as not to cause rage ...

Or is it better to call? You do not have the death penalty, and if the people themselves are lynching this m-oz - the state, it seems, has nothing to do with it, they simply could not cope with the indignation of the people!

It will not work for him to turn on the fool.
1. In Astana, through the words of our representative, he kind of swore an oath to scoundrels ... That there would be no prosecution of the previous government, such as Putin-Yeltsin.
2. The “training” firing in Panic was a clear signal that Robert Kocharyan, who was arriving the other day to testify at the prosecutor’s office, could not be pressed.

[Curious]

Where did you see that someone poked himself?

[asiat_61]

. You already somehow decide what you need - missiles or pensions. At the same time, both countries are not pulling ...... And work with your head? Isn’t the economic boom, is it a tax increase? As people say: .. no sense, the trouble is awkward .. It's about our (or not ours) government.

[Setrac]

Quote: Curious

You already somehow decide what you need - missiles or pensions. At the same time, both countries are not pulling.

This is a false statement.

[Zubr]

Oh, how the EP adder moved. And now, what I will say to the local spiteful critics, do not touch our Nyasha, the only man in the Duma’s thought. We will put your rotten team in the pose of a beaver for her, you can not doubt it. A gang of hypocrites, while they upheld the Crimea and banned the Majlis, established the work of the prosecutor's office, you needed it! Try to drop a speck of dust on it.

[Ingvar0401]

Quote: DEZINTO

No matter how anyone relates to her, and no matter how I treat her, baiting for personal opinion is already beyond! This is a game, and some kind of nonsense. What nafig, why then do the deputies have a second button? To be honest, honestly.

I support. Down with the second button !!! The button should be only one - "FOR"

[Dezinto]

The button should be only one - "FOR"

ahem .... mn ..... mn ..... I agree.



... vote comrades



....unanimously.

[Mordvin 3]

I don’t understand, Brezhnev is hanging on his belt. Colt, what?

[Dezinto]

Colt, what?

Well, what the fuck isn’t it? He is Brezhnev! Stylish was the uncle.

[urman]

A herd of unprincipled rams,
try to influence a person who has an opinion.

[sgr291158]

There you have the freedom of speech. Well, if a person is against, why look for some kind of exposure options. Moreover, she is a lawyer and she, for her part, can see better.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles. Voted conscientiously. How much they laughed and humiliated Poklonskaya (her crusade against Matilda was indeed an absurd attempt to censor a harmless love drama)

] Maybe it was destroyed with the help of all sorts of “Matilda” for its principles? Who needs a person who has his own opinion ... It’s easier to make an urban madman out of him! Did not work out !

[Citizen 90]

Quote: DEZINTO

bullying for personal opinion is already beyond! This is a game, and some kind of nonsense. What nafig, why then do the deputies have a second button?

Here I am in the same vein indignant. They got poached there at all. Whatever the reasons for her opinion different from the crowd (really or a game for the public) - if they spread rot, this fact will put at the forefront the question voiced by the comrades here in the comments: "Why do we need to feed hundreds of parasites, if that’s all one and speak out against? ”

(this is in addition to the main issue that is not necessary to be voiced - why do we need an anti-people government and is it time to require them to leave the country at the legislative level - so that they could not dump the country and had a personal interest in improving the standard of living in Russia)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Citizen 90

Whatever the reasons for her opinion different from the crowd (really or a game for the public) - if they spread rot, this fact will put at the forefront the question voiced by the comrades here in the comments: "Why do we need to feed hundreds of parasites, if that’s all one and speak out against? ”

So, nothing prevented Mrs. Poklonskaya from being elected as an independent candidate - personally, and not on the EdR list. And express their position and vote according to her personal opinion. But she went the easy way, forgetting that the election to parliament without a vote on a candidate in an electoral district, simply according to the party’s list, throughout the world implies party discipline. Party candidates have a personal opinion - but exactly until the party’s decision is announced. After that, they vote as the party decided.

[Citizen 90]

Moreover, according to common sense - if this group of representatives of the party was put in the Duma, then they should be the most adequate = should be the founders of the "opinion of the party." But it turns out that they are just about. The mess. Yes, and does not remove the issue. If you don’t have your own opinion - what for they are needed in such quantity at all. Overclock to hell, just take into account the opinion of the "chapters" with the appropriate coefficient.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Citizen 90

If you don’t have your own opinion - what for they are needed in such quantity at all. Overclock to hell, just take into account the opinion of the "chapters" with the appropriate coefficient.

Golden words, Yuri Venediktovich. ©
In fact, all these deputies are really not needed for voting. A horde of deputies is needed only to fill in all sorts of committees and commissions, which formally should consider the bills received for compliance with the requirements of the Constitution and continue to work on them.

[rruvim]

It was not so. She was offered (it was difficult to refuse this offer) a place in the list from EP. It was necessary to “remove” it from the Crimea. Her answer was: "subject to independence." She completed it.

[Samara_63]

Respect to her! And all the other members of the EP and nothing ...

[Apollo]

A hermit appeared in the thieves' kaganate. What to do?

[askort154]

- a man sits on the river bank and cries bitterly
- why are you killing? asked a passerby
- the wife drowned, falling from the bridge. I'm waiting, maybe it will pop up.
- why are you sitting here, upstream from the bridge?
- so she was always "transverse."
There are two types of “anti-lethal people”: some are stubborn, stubborn in their “rightness”, often not argued. Others show that they are not a "herd." What are they, isolated. Such people climb into politics more, relying on their "exclusivity."
Both species are far from the concept - common sense in their actions.

[dmlescs]

Forced as a punishment to transfer the poklonnaya to the Communist Party of the Communist Party; she hi Zyuganov’s Lena room will be decorated with portraits of the last emperor.

[Fisher martin]

Quote: dmlescs

Poklonskaya's punishment is forced in the CPSU

This old man can’t be done - she’s already there, only under a different name

[iouris]

The majority is always wrong; the minority is sometimes right.
The most inadequate (in the opinion of the majority) in the end turn out to be the most adequate.

[Weyland]

Quote: iouris

The majority is always wrong; the minority is sometimes right.

The majority opinion is always erroneous, for most people are idiots (Edgar Allan Poe).

[mitchhunter]

It is better to exclude from the party EP all members who vote for the new serfdom law. And leave Poklonskaya

[mastervojaka]

It's time to remind you of the 17th year and the effects of exposure. So far, the interim government.

[Siberian]

If N. Poklonskaya was fundamental in Ukraine, then why in Russia will it become any different? She just shouldn't mess with EP, they are unworthy of her, no matter what

[Royalist]

Quote: Thrall

It's time to try to influence Nyasha with medication,
... for now, not forcibly

So you are also a member of the Political Council of EP, if you intend to influence Natasha? Joke

[Royalist]

Quote: mitchhunter

It is better to exclude from the party EP all members who vote for the new serfdom law. And leave Poklonskaya

Give Poklonskaya instead of the "teddy bear" !! She's prettier and not so stupid

[Weyland]

Poklonskaya - for president! She’ll arrange a prosecutor’s check for the oligarchs!

[Citizen 90]

Yes, no checks are needed. Just behind the scenes a list of income and a list of property / funds for all relatives is collected. If, subtracting the second from the first, you get a drop dead figure with a minus sign - plant all the shoblu with the children with confiscation.
But even if someone gives it to do so, they will put someone from petty officials, who are not at all the fact that they are guilty, but on the contrary interfere with someone. And all who steal millions will remain in place.

[Weyland]

Quote: Citizen 90

Just behind the scenes a list of income and a list of property / funds for all relatives is collected. If, subtracting the second from the first, you get a drop dead figure with a minus sign - plant all the shoblu with the children with confiscation.

In Iran there is such a law. But this - the only country in the worldand where he is!

[Million]

At the helm of the state is a bunch of villains. It's just not clear who is at the head

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Million

At the helm of the state is a bunch of villains. It's just not clear who is at the head

You will not believe, but at the head any state worth a bunch of idiots! And who is led clear ..

[dmlescs]

Whoever chooses is worth it. If such a people, then where do decent people come from? From a test tube by genetic engineering? All too lazy, thieves and bribe takers, they don’t answer for what they’ve done, they don’t know how to do it and don’t want to - they’re looking for freebies, almost half don’t go to the polls - they don’t fulfill civil debt, and you blame the authorities. It is a shame on the mirror to blame if the face is crooked.

[Million]

You better answer for yourself. I go to the polls

[trophy]

Whatever she was guided by, but very coolly spoiled all this gang in karma. Especially before the election. I applaud while standing! It is unlikely that anyone would be better able to publicly expose this Caudle as a gang of Scottish homosexuals. And the issues of their party discipline concern only themselves, and the people smile to say the least. Now, every self-respecting voter should ask his EDRny deputy: "And what, dear man, has prevented you from doing like Natalia Vladimirovna?" And let him talk about party discipline and the virtual thousand for retirement (either a month or a year). Share. But Natalia Vladimirovna will now be broken. By the way, I appeal to adherents and supporters of the presence of HPP. Tell everyone that it was he who personally persuaded her to sabotage in order to discredit the parliamentary majority and their godfather before the election. I give it, use it.

[3vs]

Natalya will have to go to A Just Russia ...
Not everyone will fit into the "eat Russia" ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: 3vs

Natalya will have to go to A Just Russia ...

Ahahaa, and what is the difference between CP and Edor?

[3vs]

Yes, at least by the fact that Oleg Shein from Just Russia is arguing against the government of scoundrels, the others put their tongue in the ass and approve of everything!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: 3vs

Yes, even the fact that Oleg Shein from Just Russia is arguing against the government of scoundrels,

So when Oleg Shein will demand deprivation of the deputies' immunity, when he demands, the office apartments of the deputies in Moscow would not be transferred to the property of the deputies, then I will believe him. I well remember Mironov and what kind of snakes went to his party. And in other games, the same garbage

[Chills]

Natalia did not stand before the senators ... A ray of light in the dark kingdom. Good girl.

[ZVS]

United Russia has confirmed that it is a totalitarian party that does not tolerate the free expression of its position by its members. The party, representing the interests of the oligarchy and headed by the Prime Minister, will lead the country to complete totalitarianism, and ultimately to the complete collapse of the Russian economy.

[Vadim237]

It will not, because GDP is increasing by 8-10 trillion every year.

[Disorder]

The animeshka was once again promoted.

[Dormidont]

It is a pity that through the Internet it is impossible to give a murl

[Eugene 1475]

Do not touch the girl !!!

[Royalist]

“Riot on the ship” Natasha cannot be suspected of being stupid or acting spontaneously. Stupid in that "office" is not held. Some conclusions can be drawn from this: a) EP is not so “united”, b) I doubt that she wants to “bomb”, which means it has a “reserve airfield”.
I suppose that a bicker begins in United Russia: Nyasha is "rebelling." From 1999-2000, we had a deputy of the local council, in the past a “distinguished communist” like 2/3 of the officials, a “bug” is the same: always his nose was downwind and always “honorable” among their leaders, in June he began to “rebel” "and his party recalled. Local youth delighted:: "tired of the old .. un." At the primaries (by the way, it will not hurt all parties) 3 candidates were nominated: 2 adults and a 25-year-old, and in September we will choose. I cross out any young

[SCHMEL]

discuss various options for the possible impact on the deputy Natalia Poklonskaya, who in the first reading voted against the bill introducing amendments to the pension system of the Russian Federation

So she still didn’t jump and did not scream joyfully at the sight of the Washington parliamentarians

[Weyland]

Poklonskaya - the only one who went "against the tide"

On these days, after the execution of the Savior,
In the days when the apostles walked inspired,
They went to preach the teacher’s word,
The scribes said so arrogant:
“The rebel is crucified! No use in ridiculed,
To all the hated, crazy teachings!
Do they poor go Galileans
Against the stream!"

Friends, row! Vain detractors
They intend to insult us with their pride -
To the shore soon we, waves of conquerors,
Come out solemnly with our shrine!
The infinite takes over the finite
By faith in our holy meaning
We will initiate a countercurrent
Against the stream!
(A.K. Tolstoy, "Against the Current")

[pafegosoff]

Banderlog: "She is the same as us, only without a tail!"

[tracer]

sergeyezhov,
I then thought that the "God-chosen" instead of conscience huh - "MATSPUN", Well ... now everything is clear.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: tracer

I then thought that the "God-chosen" instead of conscience huh - "MATSPUN", Well ... now everything is clear.

Thought ???? Do not tell my slippers.

[Setrac]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Thought ???? Do not tell my slippers.

I highly recommend you not to talk with your own slippers, they are actually worn on the feet!

[23424636]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles.

And my psychiatrist friend says that too ...

As I understand it, you have already taken a course with this doctor, if you offer it. I think that you still have relapses

[23424636]

Natalia with the Tsar in her head. And the team of Dimon only has a cache. Therefore, Natasha is not afraid of this bydlyatnik. And gives them a black mark in advance for future elections. So it was in Ukraine, when Azarov, at the prompting of the IMF, just for nothing, well, the partners asked for it, transferred the women to 60 years of pension. This lowered the Party of Regions in the elections and allowed nationalists from Liberty and other groups funded by the US State Department to enter parliament at this point. As a result, they crap Yanukovych so much that the latter fled to his concubine, leaving the Donbass to reproach, clowns from nationalists and other enemies who have been swaying our homeland for 4 years in a row.

[skomfit]

sergeyezhov,
Did you wind up the pace? Well, scratch the forest, if you do not wind it, then wind it and scratch it.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: skomfit

sergeyezhov,
Did you wind up the pace? Well, scratch the forest, if you do not wind it, then wind it and scratch it.

Thickly troll. Boring. There are no arguments, they immediately remembered that I was a Jew. And if in my place, for example, a Tatar, they would remember some national differences. And for example, a Caucasian would be called what color is his 5th point. Are you so confident in your own national excellence?

[skomfit]

I’m a half-blood Jew for this, I think it’s possible to troll you. I have sided with the Israelis many times in the comments that they clung to in vain. We don’t discuss what’s happening in your beit kneset, so leave us to discuss our politicians in our country without your participation .

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: skomfit

I, a half-blood Jew, consider it possible to troll you.

Does this comply with the rules of this resource?
I don’t know if you consider yourself a Russian, but in your own words, demonstrating chauvinism, you are great at substituting them.

Quote: skomfit

We don’t discuss what’s happening in your beit kneset, so leave us in our country to discuss our politicians without your participation.

Slyly. Has this site ever discussed Israel and its policies?

[alexmach]

Slyly. Has this site ever discussed Israel and its policies?

And when was your domestic policy discussed here?

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

And if in my place, for example, a Tatar, they would remember some national differences.

This is unlikely ... Korsakov is a Tatar surname!

Quote: sergeyezhov

And for example, a Caucasian would be called what color is his 5th point.

In fact, it is white - because Caucasians are dark only because of tanning, but without swimming trunks they usually do not sunbathe Just the chauvinists are stupid - "heard the ring, but do not know where he is." Mongoloids are called black ... in Central Asia - their children under the age of 2 often have the so-called buttocks on their buttocks. "Mongolian spot." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%
BE%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B
E%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE)
What is interesting: Hercules had precisely this nickname - "Melamspig" . He is, by origin, actually an Egyptian (like all descendants of Linkey and Hypernestra), which many forget

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Weyland

What is interesting: Hercules had precisely this nickname - "Melamspig". He is, by origin, actually an Egyptian (like all descendants of Linkey and Hypernestra), which many forget

Something I do not recall the Egyptian roots of Hercules then. Where does this come from?

[Weyland]

Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

I do not recall the Egyptian roots of Hercules then.

google "Danai and Egypt." Perseids - the descendants of Linkey, the only one of the 50 sons of Egypt., Survived the wedding night

[asv363]

Konstantin, do you happen to remember the number of the law and the article number in it, which obliges the deputies of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, who have passed through party lists, to vote according to the decision of the faction?

[Fisher martin]

sergeyezhov,

[Hort]

Минимальную поддержку проект получил в Чечне, Дагестане, Камчатском крае, Якутии, Владимирской, Иркутской, Кемеровской, Омской и других областях России.

этот проект не получил поддержку нигде среди граждан России! А всякие упыри в региональных властных структурах, бодро рапортующие о голосовании "за", не в счёт

[skomfit]

Путин В.В против пенсионной реформы http://rusvesna.su/news/1532094622

[Hort]

Хах, долго молчал) Видимо, оценивали, во что это всё может вылиться, если продолжат эту, с позволения сказать, реформу. Хотя закон таки приняли в 1-м чтении

[Terenin]

Ну, вот и хорошо, что "посабачились" здесь. А где же ещё? В Госдуму никто не пустит, а на улицу,...уже было. Там ОМОН с " резиновыми лечебными демократизаторами". А, из за чего здесь многие узнали о себе много нового? Только из-за своей "непродуманности" при участии (неучастии) во всевозможных выборах. А после пожара и нос-насос.

[sgazeev]

Безнадёжно больна вирусом майдана.Слишком легко даётся,успела запрыгнуть в последний вагон,переобулась,Крым,подозреваю,что она всех дстала,Акс

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sgazeev

Безнадёжно больна вирусом майдана.

Это вам к врачу нужно обратиться,после того,что вы написали

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Poklonskaya, unlike the rest, is a girl with principles. Voted conscientiously. How much they laughed and humiliated Poklonskaya (her crusade against Matilda was indeed an absurd attempt to censor an innocuous love drama), but her act was worthy of respect and the only one from her faction said firmly no.

Yes true!
В отличии от других единососов, стыдливо ( в женском платье ) отсиживавашихся дома с липовыми больничными (Милонов, и др.)
Что-же это за партия такая?
Это партия одобряющая квартиру за 0,250 yards rubles на Пречистенке у руководителя ПФР.
А может он накопил? Да оклад у него соответствует занимаемой должности: 4 000 000 Рублей в год, делим 250 000 000 на 4 000 000= 62,5 ГОДА!
И эти люди за...рают мозги своему народу показыва по федеральным каналам 70 и 80 летних крановщико-инсультников, сумажедших бабулек в татуировках, и тому подобные "массовые" примеры, как хорошо не выходить на пенсию!
Как они плохо думают о народе, как сильно они его ненавидят:

[passing]

sergeyezhov,
большинство голосовало не за партию,а за протеже путина!У ВВП был большоооой кредит доверия. И сама ЕР позиционировала себя как про путинская партия. Обычный обыватель, не хочет разбираться, да и времени нет.Ну и конечно телевизер, губительная вещь,я вам скажу

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: passing

Обычный обыватель, не хочет разбираться, да и времени нет.

Ну получается, что никто не виноват.

[Vadim237]

Я голосовал за стабильность и нормальное развитие экономики и спокойствие в стране.

[passing]

Quote: Vadim237

Я голосовал за стабильность и нормальное развитие экономики и спокойствие в стране.

Как вы думаете ,пенсионная стабильность ведет к стабильности?
А предложение минтруда, увольнять работников в "связи с утратой доверия" так же ведет к стабильности?
Уточню- нищий,бесправный работник (пролетарий) основа стабильности!
Ваша логика меня восхищает!!!!!!!!!

[Vadim237]

Хороших работников увольнять по статье утрата доверия не будут - а ворюг и всех остальных будут. Нищий работник - нищие только те, кто нихрена ни чего не делает и сидит на одном месте.

[spektr9]

Истинная демократия, в случай чего рассмотрим варианты влияния

[Vadim237]

Так воздействием - доработкой программы.

[Lone wolf]

К Наталье Владимировне с насмешкой относился , из за ее отношения к фильму ,Матильда ,и вобще к Николаю 2.Но как говориться не судите и не судимы будете...Да и во всей ЕР мужиков не нашлось гранату взять и против танков встать и они это обсудят

[rruvim]

Поклонская пережила всю трагедию Крыма. Через себя. Трагедию через Освобождение. Она монархистка. И она не может теперь врать. Для неё врать - смерть. И она юрист, прекрасно понимает, что стоит за так называемой четвёртой "пенсионной реформой".

[alexmach]

Quote: sergeyezhov

The number of members of a particular party corresponds to the number of people who voted for it. Thus, the decision of the majority of the people during the elections is expressed in the number of party members in parliament.

Во-первых нет - количество членов партии это вообще величина абстрактная, вы же пишите про парламентариев от этой партии, факции... Так вот, если эти люди всегда и во всем согласны с генеральной линией партии, то вобщем-то они и не нужны, вред от них только одни нарушения дисциплины. Дайте просто руководству партии определенное количество голосов, хоть лично Дмитрию Анатольевичу. Пускай сам предложения вносит и сам же их единогласно и поддреживает. В коллегиальных органах власти разные люди для того и нужны что бы представлять разные точки зрения. Иначи эти органы просто бутафория (ну как например парламент в России) и способны только давать дружный "одобрямс", и категоричеки не способны к решению любых проблем (а вдруг в проблемный период сигнала сверху как голосовать не поступит, что же они делать то будут?) ...

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: alexmach

Во-первых нет - количество членов партии это вообще величина абстрактная, вы же пишите про парламентариев от этой партии

Да спасибо за поправку. Вы конечно правы речь о парламентариях от определенной партии.

Quote: alexmach

Так вот, если эти люди всегда и во всем согласны с генеральной линией партии, то вобщем-то они и не нужны, вред от них только одни нарушения дисциплины. Дайте просто руководству партии определенное количество голосов, хоть лично Дмитрию Анатольевичу.

Я уже писал об этом: свое мнение надо выражать на внутрипартийных обсуждениях. На голосование и прения с другими партиями необходимо идти с абсолютно монолитным решением не допуская существования двух противоположных мнений по одному и тому же вопросу.

[alexmach]

Я уже писал об этом: свое мнение надо выражать на внутрипартийных обсуждениях. На голосование и прения с другими партиями необходимо идти с абсолютно монолитным решением не допуская существования двух противоположных мнений по одному и тому же вопросу

Я конечно свечку не держал, но у меня такое мнение, что никакого обсуждения то нигде и в помине не было. В том то и проблемма. Пришла сверху распорядка - все дружно поддрежали. Насколько это решение мотивированное, насколько целесообразное, каковы будут его последствия - вообще вопрос не раскрыт нигде и никак.
Отдельно заслуживают внимания сообщения об указиниям едросам на местах про недопустимость высказывания собственных суждений на эут тему.
Вообщем по-моему парламентская система мертва и бесполезна и не выполняет свои основные функции..

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: alexmach

Вообщем по-моему парламентская система мертва и бесполезна и не выполняет свои основные функции..

Ну тогда следуя логике, следующая стадия вслед за республикой это империя. А империи на месте не стоят, им нужно расширение. Расширение процесс не бесплатный, соответственно финансы откуда-то нужно брать, так что закон о пенсиях вполне логичен.

[alexmach]

Это ещё надо для начала определить что вообще такое империя... Россия и так в определенном смысле и есть Империя... почти.. Только слабая очень.
А вот откуда следует что империя должна обязательно расширяться, и почему этого не может делать республика мне совсем не понятно.
Ну а то, что ресурсов не хватает это по-моему и так очевидно и уже давно, даже без пенсионного закона. Об этом ещё в 2013 году умные люди говорили, когда при пике роста цен на нефть ВВП вдруг роста практически и не дал... Но тут тоже палка о двух концах, если бы сэкономленные деньги пустить как-то в экономический рост, да если бы показать этот план широким массам может и была бы поддержка этой реформы, да вот только нету рабочего механизма позволяющего это сделать.. и не предвидиться. Просто затянем пояса потуже.. а потом ещё потуже, а потом и помрем - вот к чему все потихоньку идет.

[pafegosoff]

А вот надо выступить всем за Поклонскую против чинуш-голосовальников

[Ivan58]

Смоляне , отзовём Неверова из Думы. Неверим мы ему!

[Alber]

Quote: Ivan58

Смоляне , отзовём Неверова из Думы. Неверим мы ему!

Гнать его сс... Хм, обмоченной тряпкой до его исторической родины

[Dart2027]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Я не владею цифрами по российской армии, однако например час полета Ф-16 (учебного) стоит несколько десятков тысяч шекелей. Боевой вылет естественно на порядок больше. Не думаю, что у вас все намного дешевле. Обслуживание бронетехники и современные боеприпасы к ней весьма не дешевы. Война стоит денег, огромных денег.

Сколько там раз говорилось, что затраты на действия ВКС в Сирии были взяты из средств выделенных на учения? И причем здесь Украина на которой ВС РФ нет вообще?

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Dart2027

Сколько там раз говорилось, что затраты на действия ВКС в Сирии были взяты из средств выделенных на учения? И причем здесь Украина на которой ВС РФ нет вообще?

Вы знаете во времена моего детства была так называемая "продовольственная программа" согласно которой никакого дефицита продуктов в СССР нет, она была полна радужных обещаниий, согласно которым к 1990му году средстатистическая советская семья будет утопать в изобилии остродефицитных продуктов. И вот настал 1990 год, а изобилия как не было так и нет, скорее наоборот исчезло даже то, что никогда дефицитом не было. К чему этот опус? Послушайте старого еврея. Далеко не всегда то, что говорят власти является правдой. Иногда то, что власти говорят вообще правдой не является. Если вы считаете, что ваша страна не участвует в украинском конфликте и не поддерживает одну из сторон в нем финансово и материально, то я не буду с вами спорить, просто запомните мой рассказ про продовольственную программу ( или про квартиру каждой семье к 2000му году или про коммунизм к 80му году)

[Likant]

Походу тебе Америка доплачивает на счёт по миллиону долларов в месяц! Я с Донецка, мы сбивали укровые самолёты в начале заварухи из оружия с донецких военных складов! Финансовая поддержка появилась после активной финансовой и оружейной поддержки укров со стороны Америки. Когда мы отряд негров завалили с документами америкосов и их элитным вооружением слава и слухи о легендарных "блеквотер" как-то поутихли! Со стороны России ни техники,ни тем более авиации мы болт получили! Патроны современные с добровольцами появились и то после появления у укров американского огнестрельного вооружения! Так что российские самолёты приплетать нечего! Более правдоподобно будет звучать помощь инопланетных кораблей, обстреливающих лазерными пушками и ионно-протонными излучателями позиции банд нацистов-укров, лезущих на чужую территорию!

[alexmach]

Путин кстати от ЕР уже лет 5 как усиленно открещивается. То фронты какие-то создает то Дмитрия Бекбулатовича начальником там поставит. Но в целом да... проблеммы похоже только нарастают и в политической системе в том числе.

[Sergei75]

Блин, а 1987 году все орали про свободу слова и выражения своего мнения, причем и с Вашей стороны.

[maxes]

Пора отзывать депутатов из Думы, их туда выбирали представлять интересы народа, а не "Единой России". Есть механизм прекращения полномочий депутата, как "не оправдавшего надежд", кто нибудь знает?

[Altona]

Наташу не тронут, не переживайте. Ни один волос не упадет с её головы.

[Brzez zbignewski]

Не ври! Путина никто давно не ассоциирует с ЕР, это медведевская вотчина, а у айфончика рейтинг не выше, чем у ЕР. Путину не важно, какие партии его поддерживают, если его поддерживает народ.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Weyland

There is a notion of tracing in linguistics - a literal translation of a foreign word in parts (prefix-root-suffix), for example. im-press-ion = print-or-vor-stell-ung = presentation. The term "conscience" is purely Christian, and all variants - Russian Conscience, Latin / English / French con-sciense, German Ge-wissen - are traces of the Greek sin-eidos. So if "matzpun" is not tracing paper, then this is either neologism, or the translation is not quite adequate. And "what does Hebrew have to do with it" - I was guided by your flag.

В современном иврите используется средневековое слово "мацпун", это слово связано со словом север("цафон") и со словом компасс("мацпен"). Совесть как стрелка компасса ведет человека в определенном направлении. В танахическом иврите совесть ассоциировалась с почками, так же как мы ассооциируем любовь с сердцем. Поскольку почки отделяют плохое от хорошего и выносят плохое из организма.

слова царя Давида в книге Псалмов (16, 7): «Благословлю Господа, Который советовал мне, и ночами наставляли меня почки мои». «Наставляли меня почки мои» — ивритское выражение означающее "действовать по совести".
Так что лингвистически слово "совесть" связано с христианством, но понятие "совесть" существовало в иудаизме задолго до возникновения христианства.

[Weyland]

Quote: sergeyezhov

В танахическом иврите совесть ассоциировалась с почками, так же как мы ассооциируем любовь с сердцем. Поскольку почки отделяют плохое от хорошего и выносят плохое из организма.

я так и предполагал, что значение слова "мацпун" не полностью соответствует значению слова "совесть". Мацпун - прежде всего способность к различению добра и зла как таковых, а в понятии "совесть" главный упор - на этическую оценку own поступков.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Alber

А я было подумал, что такого понятия как совесть у иудеев не существует...

прям как в еврейском анекдоте: "сара то что мы с тобой принимали за оргазм, оказалось приступом астмы". :)

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Dart2027

Сколько там в Сирии ВКС? Несколько десятков? А На Украине?

Смотрите,я не буду сейчас пускаться в подсчеты. Если вы считаете, что между событиями в сирии/украине нет связи с повышением пенсионого возраста, то это ваше легитимное право.

[Dart2027]

Quote: sergeyezhov

то это ваше легитимное право

В смысле Ваш источник - это ОБС?

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: sergeyezhov

то это ваше легитимное право

В смысле Ваш источник - это ОБС?

А вас, разве Путин приглашал на совещание, где решался вопрос о пенсиях? не думаю, что надежность моих "источников" сильно отличается от ваших.Лично я ориентируюсь на похожие события у вашего союзника Ирана.

[Dart2027]

Quote: sergeyezhov

А вас, разве Путин приглашал на совещание, где решался вопрос о пенсиях

That is nothing concrete.

Quote: sergeyezhov

Лично я ориентируюсь на похожие события у вашего союзника Ирана

Который никак не удается задавить санкциями? Что поделать, бывает.

[Gray-haired Zinnik]

Няша единственная кто против?

[nikoliski]

Она единственная со всей единой россии, кто проголосовал против и единственная кто не встала когда в Думу зашли американские сенаторы

[Observer2014]

Natalia Poklonskaya , Умничка. Как я ,понимаю тебя Будь самой собой. Будь Натальей Поклонской Просто живи!!!!

[VB]

А у неверова сколько квартирка в Москве стоит? Он её купил продав тёщину в Кемерово. В Москве квартиры стоят как в Кемерово.. А яровая квартиру за 5 миллионов долларов купила в Москве. Ни дня в бизнесе не работала. А офшорные зоны с пенсионной реформой в один день проголосовала дума, чтобы олигархи не платили налоги, а весь народ, по разумению олигархов,правительства,чиновников и несть им числа, во главе с всенародно избранным "" платили за всё. По моему разумению, святая Русь бегом бежит к "русскому бунту, бессмысленному и беспощадному". Ибо нет, на сегодняшний день, ни лидера, ни партии, противостоящей нынешней власти, которая полностью себя изжила. Но,как показывает история, процесс выдвинет и подкинет лидера. Только очень жаль, что опять Отечество будет страдать и отбросит его назад в развитии. " За Державу обидно".

[dok123]

А у нас демократия, или продолжение демократического централизма?...
Что же демократы рушили, точнее строили столько лет?...

[Dron_sk]

Quote: sergeyezhov

Quote: Dart2027

Сколько там в Сирии ВКС? Несколько десятков? А На Украине?

Смотрите,я не буду сейчас пускаться в подсчеты. Если вы считаете, что между событиями в сирии/украине нет связи с повышением пенсионого возраста, то это ваше легитимное право.

Все же лучше вы бы пустились в расчеты, ведь именно цифрам евреи доверяют больше всего. Тогда бы увидели факты, которые перевесили бы ваше желание показать то, что ТОЛЬКО маленькая война возле маленького Израиля, в которой воюет лишь совершенно небольшой ограниченный контингент Российской Армии, заставили Правительство РФ поднять пенсионный возраст. Вы же разумный человек, с большинством ваших комментариев под данной темой я согласен. Но вот по данному вопросу вы явно дали маху.
Основная причина повышения пенсионного возраста - катастрофическая демографическая ситуация в РФ, суть которой озвучил недавно Путин: на одного пенсионера совсем скоро будет приходиться всего 1 работающий. Связано это с тем, что самое многочисленное поколение бэби-бумовских 60-х годов сейчас уходит на пенсию, а им на замену приходит самое малочисленное поколение - поколение 90-х. То, что в 90-е годы у нас в стране была демографическая яма, вы прекрасно знаете. Плюс к тому поколение 60-х самое трудолюбивое и самое эффективное по параметру производительность/оплата труда, как бы это цинично не звучало. Все потому что выросли в суровое советское время, получили фундаментальное советское образование, не избалованы, много денег не требуют, кроме тех, кто дорос до высших должностей. А современное поколение, родившееся в 80-90-х, с первых лет требуют большие зарплаты, а времени на чаепития и посидеть в интернете требуют больше, а знания у большинства совершенно поверхностные.
Вот это все - основная причина повышения пенсионного возраста. Не утверждаю что это единственная причина, но основная! Влияние на повышение пенсионного возраста отдельно взятой военной операции в Сирии вообще смешно рассматривать на самом деле. Можно говорить о наращивании военных расходов в целом - вот в таком ракурсе еще можно рассмотреть это влияние, но оно будет лишь в пределах нескольких процентов. Так же как и остальные факторы - экономический кризис, недостаточно высокие цены на нефть, санкции и прочее-прочее - все это лишь второстепенные факторы при принятии пенсионной реформы. Основной фактор я озвучил.
Теперь поближе к любимым цифрам и к бюджету РФ. Вы же должны представлять объем средств, выделяемых Россией на "военку/оборонку" в целом, и на Сирийскую операцию в отдельности. Понятно что там много засекреченных статей расходов, которые не разглядеть, но все же приблизительные оценки специалистов есть. И сирийская операция это не капля в море конечно, а целых 57млр.руб в год. Но расходы на оборонку в целом 2770млрд. То есть сирийская операция это 2% от всего бюджета оборонки или 0,3% от всего бюджета РФ. И вы хотите сказать что 0,3% так повлияли что пришлось повысить пенсионный возраст?
К тому же, американцы, к примеру, военные расходы по большей части считают инвестициями. То есть даже если нет прямого захвата территорий и ресурсов, то все равно это увеличивает их аргумент в виде "жесткой силы", которым они могут продавливать свои интересы, продавая не только само оружие но и любые другие товары. И вообще бренд США неразрывно связан с военной мощью.
У России в Сирии тоже свои бизнес интересы, и часть затрат, безусловно, еще отобьется. Плюс если бы не было Сирийской операции, то стран интересующихся С-300 С-400 было бы намного меньше. Именно в Сирии было наглядно продемонстрировано, зачем нужна ПВО и насколько она может быть эффективной. Было показано кто лидер в производстве ПВО - это та страна, которая практически никогда не нападала первой, а лишь оборонялась в разное время от разных враждебно настроенных стран, пытавшихся ее захватить. Это та страна у которой реально исключительно оборонительная доктрина, а не как у США, которые проповедуя тоже оборонительную доктрину, наибольших успехов всегда добиваются исключительно в наступательном вооружении.
Не было бы такой заинтересованности в Су-35, Панцирях и прочем вооружении, продемонстрированном в Сирии.
Плюс если бы не было бы Сирийской операции, то не факт что Министерство обороны тратило бы на эти 2% меньше. Просто проводило бы разные военные учения по отражению украинской и натовской угроз более интенсивно и чаще, либо откликнулись на призыв о помоще от какой-то другой страны, например Йемена.

[Pushkar]

Много слов. Просто даже маленькие войны в интересах нефтегазовых олигархов стоят больших денег НАЛОГОПЛАТЕЛЬЩИКАМ.

[Hierarch]

Таку бабу можно полюбить. Хоть не продаст если что...

[Brzez zbignewski]

ЕР сама себе роет яму на следующие выборы в ГД...

[Vadim237]

Посмотрим, посмотрим, до 2024ого ещё много времени.

[Indifferent]

Девочка - мужик с железными яйцами! А таких не любят! Будет жалко, если затопчат ногами. Молодец она! Имеет свою точку зрения и не боится ее отстаивать в отличии от безяичных своих коллег, мужчин.

[Pushkar]

Наташа не только самый красивый, но и самый порядочный депутат. Не за того президента мы голосовали.

[shura7782]

Поклонскую двигают в нужном направлении так, что не стоит беспокоиться за неё. Увидите, что весь спектакль с "воздействием" пойдёт по нужному руслу. Т.е. в никуда. А пока Поклонская зарабатывает плюсы. Правильная технология развития. Под натаскают и отправят на выборы в президенты. Такой есть мой прогноз. Если кто- то считает, что она двух слов связать не может, пусть вспомнит нашего премьера перед выборами. Это ему не помешало стать президентом.

[nikoliski]

Единственный нормальный депутат, в этой партии жулья

[dropout]

Живу в Крыму, партию "единоросоов" здесь ненавидят все. Ибо в 14 году в неё перебежали все "регионалы". А Наталию уважают с времён Украины ещё с тех пор, когда она рискуя жизнью боролась со всяческими "башмаками"

[Brigadier]

Наталья! Держись! НАРОД России с тобой, а не с олигархическими лизоблюдами из ЕдРо !!!
Это они "единогласно" проголосовали за людоедскую и антинародную реформу, а ты - NO, потому, что ты за народ, а они за свою шкуру и кошелёк!
С ними вопрос ясный - на следующих думских выборах ЕдРо, ведомая Путиным и Медведевым ИСЧЕЗНЕТ, как политическая сила !!!
Народ не будет голосовать за тех, кто желает ему смерти от голода! А за тебя народ проголосует, потому, что видит, что ты за народ! Наш народ видит, кто в Думе был за ЖИЗНЬ народа, а кто был за СМЕРТЬ народа! Голосование всё ясно показало!
Поэтому ДЕРЖИСЬ и не поддавайся тем, кто выступил против своего народа!

Люди России! Кто хочет ЖИТЬ и не хочет УМИРАТЬ во славу зажравшихся и потерявших всякие берега единоросов, на следующих выборах в Думу голосуем только за КПРФ, ЛДПР, «Справедливую Россию» !!!
ОНИ ЗА ТО, ЧТОБЫ МЫ ЖИЛИ !!! Рассказывайте об этом голосовании ЕдРо всем, кто хочет ЖИТЬ !!!
Зюганову, Жириновскому, Миронову респект и уважуха от всей страны !!!

[vik669]

Quote: For example

Судя по всему там одни

Да там в основном партийцы со стажем побывавшие во многих партиях (всякой твари по паре) которые за всю Россию решили думать только вот за них что то никто не желает думать пока!

[Likant]

Да,Наташа попала в депутаты не как обычно принято: долгие кражи, взятки, намывание денег... И вот кресло твоё! Наташа попала в Думу из-за событий в Крыму, где до этого всё-таки общалась с народом! И ей трудно "приспосабливаться" под бездумное подчинение законам,принятым в интересах депутатов! Её со временем "сломают", но благодаря своей принципиальности она ещё долго будет " костью в горле" депутатов!

[Metallurg_2]

Раньше стопроцентным рычагом влияния на оппортунистов было "Партбилет на стол положишь".
Теперь этим уже никого не испугаешь: партий много, хороших и разных. И партбилетов соответственно тоже.
Можно даже основать партию имени себя: "Няш-мяш". 100 тысяч членов наберутся среди тех, кто лайкал эти фотки.