UAV "Hunter" will become the prototype of the next generation fighter

The newest shock pilot "Hunter" will be the prototype of the sixth generation fighter, reports TASS message source in the Russian defense industry.

The interlocutor noted that today the signs of the 6 fighter generation are not fully formed, but the main features can already be identified: this is, first of all, the lack of a pilot and the ability to perform combat missions autonomously.

According to him, it is in this part (autonomy and artificial intelligence) that the new UAV will be the prototype of the 6 generation aircraft.

The source added that the “Hunter” will be able to independently take off, perform the assigned task and return to the base.

The only thing that the device will not receive yet is the right to make a decision on the use of weapons - this function will remain with the person, he specified.

Earlier it was reported that the creation of a prototype of the UAV “Hunter” was fully completed at the Novosibirsk plant of the company “Sukhoi”, test flights should begin this year.

According to media reports, the drone is made according to the “flying wing” scheme using the “stealth” technology. BLA take-off weight is about 20 tons. According to unconfirmed reports, the device is equipped with a jet engine and is capable of speeds up to 1 thousand km / h.

Recall that the development contract drone in the interests of the Ministry of Defense was signed in 2011. Its first mock-up for ground tests was created in 2014.

The beginning of work in the Russian Federation over the sixth generation fighter became known in the spring of 2016. Experts attribute the optional maneuverability to the characteristic features of such a complex - in the base case it will be unmanned.

Comments

[Wedmak]

You start to lift this into the air. Pass the test. Put a series in the troops. Modify before application. And then you will tell these tales.
Something begins to bomb me from these storytellers, they have not taken the first step, already about 10 stories.

[Alex 2016]

Here we have such a country, fabulous)) The storytellers live. Not one of the really new samples in the series (and not 10-50 pieces) did not go into the series.

[MPN]

According to him, it is in this part (autonomy and artificial intelligence) that the new UAV will be the prototype of the 6 generation aircraft.

Well then, I once built a prototype of a 6th generation fighter prototype ...

[NN52]

Well, at least subsonic ... And you could write up to 2000 km / h ... the Americans would become nervous again, and yesterday’s news was enough for them ...

[MPN]

Quote: NN52

Well, at least subsonic ... And you could write up to 2000 km / h ... the Americans would become nervous again, and yesterday’s news was enough for them ...

[Boris55]

Quote: Wedmak

You start to lift this into the air.

And we will raise this and about the future no one will forbid to think.

[Magic archer]

I completely agree! Fat plus. In general, such articles are surprising. There are still no 5 generations in the troops, we are drawing all the pluses for 4, they stutter about the sixth! We got patriots cheering these tales. I hope everything changes but I really understand that there is no money

[Vadim237]

Russia will jump over the fifth.

[ZVO]

Quote: Vadim237

Russia will jump over the fifth.

Will it draw on the asphalt?

Vadim237 - you as before (the last 3 years) were more realistic.

That feeling.
That Vadim237 is a corporate nickname.
The previous writer quit. in his place they took another. In general, another ...
With a million hats behind him ...

[Fungus]

Do not read if bombing

[spektr9]

Have the gift of telepathy to immediately know the whole article, so as not to read it

[KCA]

Are you being bombarded by British storytellers? Already the fifth-generation airplane model was proudly shown to the whole world, but only the creation of financing will begin in 5, at best in 2025 the first flight

[Cat Marquis]

Another one "cartoon" ....

[Wedmak]

Are you being bombarded by British storytellers? Already the layout of the 5 generation aircraft was proudly shown

As if 5 flies here and there. It’s bombed by the fact that the unmanned here is already called as if there were AI: it took off, completed the task, landed. This is still a long way off, but they tell us tales.

[KCA]

Why not? An automatic landing system was developed for the Yak-130 in the event of a pilot shutdown, I don’t know if it is installed on airplanes, because they are double, isn’t that AI? Takeoff is no more difficult than landing, flying at a course altogether 100500 years is automatic, but no one has yet decided on the account of hitting a target, a person decides, or rather choosing a target for hitting and opening fire

[Wedmak]

Isn't that AI?

No, this is a regular autopilot, working on a strictly defined program. AI means decision-making based on incomplete data, in non-standard situations, independent choice of solution options, etc. That is, roughly speaking, if the landing gear does not come out of the plane, the autopilot will not land it, and the AI ​​will develop several solutions and implement the safest.

[KCA]

Buran, no?

[Wedmak]

No, there was an on-board computer, the data for calculating the trajectory were transmitted from the Earth, and the final section was driven by the ground landing system, giving the coordinates. All maneuvers were calculated in advance in several versions and the on-board computer only chose the optimal course and adjusted it in accordance with the flight parameters.
But, nevertheless, we must pay tribute to the engineers and programmers of the ship, they made it almost unthinkable - Buran independently carried out the entire flight program, choosing modes and greatly surprised his creators.
A full description of the flight, read as a good detective http://www.buran.ru/htm/flight.htm

[KCA]

So doesn't a person have the same kind of thinking? Various action options are laid down, from which the optimal one is selected as data is received, go straight, left, stop, back, turn, a person walks, sees a tree - turn, straight, turn, straight, sees a wall - turn, straight, turn, etc. D., the only difference is that a person can act illogically, or create a new team - climb / jump, but even people can not all come up with a non-standard action, not included in the program

[Wedmak]

So doesn't a person have the same kind of thinking?

Of course not. Template actions are used in familiar situations as it is logical and fast. But there are people who in an “empty” place will break the pattern and explode the logic. And here it’s just not even straining.

but even people can not all come up with a non-standard action not included in the program

What for? There is a door - pulled, does not open, pushed - opened, normal. )) No, you can of course take the cable, tie it to the doorknob and to the car, and then tear out this door along with the jamb. Non-standard, creative, fun. But why?
But if the cabinet is behind the door and doesn’t allow you to open it, but YOU NEED ... The situation is not standard. And reading this, your brain has already worked out 2-3 options for how to open this door and how. AI should work the same way, but the machine will not be able to.
There is such a smart topic - Game Theory. Using it, you can build an automaton that differs little in actions from a person. Nevertheless, it will work but hard-coded rules are not able to go beyond a certain framework.

[KCA]

To do this, you need to develop ternary electronics, yes / no / or (maybe), the USSR was once a leader in this field, and so before the development of quantum computers, you can relax

[ZVO]

Quote: KCA

So doesn't a person have the same kind of thinking? Various action options are laid down, from which the optimal one is selected as data is received, go straight, left, stop, back, turn, a person walks, sees a tree - turn, straight, turn, straight, sees a wall - turn, straight, turn, etc. D., the only difference is that a person can act illogically, or create a new team - climb / jump, but even people can not all come up with a non-standard action, not included in the program

OU...
Abstract example.
The first clip. 5 seconds
Boys at 5 years old come to football school.
Frantically twitching with the ball.
The second roller. 5 seconds.
Corner feed. Ronaldo runs out of a heap of players along a very difficult path. jumps to a certain height. makes a certain tilt of the head and the ball bounces off his head - flies into a specific place in the goal.

so here
This is not an algorithm.
This is muscle memory and nothing more.
If Ronaldo at least once thought during the "execution" - he would like that centipede "would fall on its side and not budge."
Do you understand what I mean?

children - growing up in adolescents and adults - playing games - on mistakes - develop only muscle memory - and nothing more.

if you don’t believe me, you believe in the primacy of the algorithm and its human calculability, look at the results - Boston Dynamics.
They’ve been fighting their goat-dog for 15 years.
And they have already learned a lot - but how ridiculous he is.
Even compared to a 3 year old child.

[KLV2018]

Quote: Wedmak

You start to lift this into the air. Pass the test. Put a series in the troops. Modify before application. And then you will tell these tales.
Something begins to bomb me from these storytellers, they have not taken the first step, already about 10 stories.

it is necessary to imitate violent activity

[Andrey Markovich]

Raise and test on ukrofashistami.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

But such a drone can calmly start the 3rd World War: All the same, it’s electronics, not a person, for example, it accidentally attacks which thread the destroyer airlie is etching his burke and went kneading .. And here it is, Machine War, and it’s just recently Terminator and it seemed a pipe fantasy.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

So vice versa! They will use it as an excuse: "This is not us, it is itself! Software failure! Short circuit! Guano of unknown origin was noted to enter the artificial brain!"
Jolly same. (srkzm)

[spektr9]

How if it is controlled by a person, albeit remotely ???

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

That's exactly what remotely, many pilots took away aircraft from civilian objects, even at the cost of their own lives, but if something happens, there will not be any Chicago on board or do you think that the equipment does not break? From a banal overheating, a malfunction of the electronics can occur, I'm not talking about all kinds of e-mails, etc., etc.

[spektr9]

And how does a broken drone start the 3rd world? Aircraft are also subject to breakdowns, however, they cannot unleash the 3rd world))

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

I just want to say that the probability of such an event increases, because there will not be a person on board, and situations can be different, for example, he will start firing at all .. And then the degree of responsibility decreases, that is, all events begin to be perceived as a video game, not people but figures on the screen, etc. d.

[Larum]

It will, it will not ...
as pensioners will be happy, oligarchs will be supported, and a new one will be promised ....

[Yrec]

"Optional piloting" on an unmanned aerial vehicle is not possible in principle, can it mean direct control of the operator from the ground? Otherwise, the aircraft should be immediately 1,5-2 times larger. On the contrary, you can.

[Skay]

In general, the era of fifth-generation aircraft has been going on for more than two decades. Which in itself is already quite a lot. During this time, world science has advanced significantly in many areas. Many fundamental developments have already moved from the stage of research to OCD.
It’s just that the time has come when the accumulated amount of knowledge and technology should be transformed into a product with significantly improved characteristics. Specifically, in this case, a new generation aircraft.

[Wedmak]

Specifically, in this case, a new generation aircraft.

The requirements for the presence of almost AI in an airplane are presented to the new generation. What is still far away.

[Apollo]

The Su-57 has already taken place, the 6th generation is already being prepared. That’s why our storytellers will announce the development of the 7th generation ... Then hold on, this is the very thing for cutting the budget ... I see the taste they came in seriously and for a long time.

[Apollo]

Quote: Wedmak

The requirements for the presence of almost AI in an airplane are presented to the new generation. What is still far away.

Come on, far away. Putin will gather the “audience” again in the Manege, show a “movie”, say a couple of dozens of abstruse phrases and a hat.

[Apollo]

Quote: spektr9

Have the gift of telepathy to immediately know the whole article, so as not to read it

For a more or less educated person, 75% of the content of the article is in its title. View the remaining 25% will take a little time.

[Wedmak]

For a slightly more educated person, 75% of the article’s content is in its title

Your untruth. How many catchy headlines are now on any page on the internet? In ad units, article lists, under pictures? Now open at least a dozen and compare the contents of the headline and article (if it opens of course, and does not transfer to another divorce)? I give 9 from 10 that the title will be little consistent with the content. And 5 from 10, which will not correspond to the content at all.

[Apollo]

Quote: Wedmak

For a slightly more educated person, 75% of the article’s content is in its title

Your untruth. How many catchy headlines are now on any page on the internet? In ad units, article lists, under pictures? Now open at least a dozen and compare the contents of the headline and article (if it opens of course, and does not transfer to another divorce)? I give 9 from 10 that the title will be little consistent with the content. And 5 from 10, which will not correspond to the content at all.

The example is unsuccessful.
Do you propose putting articles on the topic of defense, tabloid (yellow) press and advertising in one line? This is the lot of the poorly educated electorate.

[Wedmak]

Do you propose putting articles on the topic of defense, tabloid (yellow) press and advertising in one line?

And you did not limit either the topic of the article or its location. ))) But well, let's take a look:
UAV "Hunter" will become the prototype of the next generation fighter
We turn on the logic: UAV "Hunter" is itself a prototype, and even took off.
Proof of the article.

Earlier it was reported that the creation of a prototype of the UAV “Hunter” was fully completed at the Novosibirsk plant of the company “Sukhoi”, test flights should begin this year.

How can a prototype of an apparatus of one class, even a small drone, not even fly around, maybe a prototype for another class - an 6 generation fighter?
Well, based on the Su-57, they would create a drone and insert an electronic pilot with separate AI functions there. Well, they would have created an AI that completely controls the already serial drone and demonstrated autonomous flight and mission performance. Neither one nor the other, but the tongue to talk to the master.

[VladVlad]

Can someone explain? In Russia, dozens of types of aircraft and helicopters are manufactured. Why develop from scratch yet another unnecessary and stupid aircraft model, with very poor technical characteristics? Why not “stick” the control system to a ready-made spent airplane by slightly changing its geometry? What organized this stupidity? And at whose expense is this stupidity realized?

[Mentat]

Quote: Wedmak

You start to lift this into the air. Pass the test. Put a series in the troops. Modify before application. And then you will tell these tales.
Something begins to bomb me from these storytellers, they have not taken the first step, already about 10 stories.

Actually, this is how the media work, it is their responsibility to convey to the people information about all the events in the world around them. Do not like it, do not read. There is nothing to pour out bile into your surroundings simply because someone is doing the work that he must do.

[Apollo]

Quote: Wedmak

And you did not limit either the topic of the article or its location. ))) But well, let's take a look:
UAV "Hunter" will become the prototype of the next generation fighter
We turn on the logic: UAV "Hunter" is itself a prototype, and even took off.
Proof of the article.

Earlier it was reported that the creation of a prototype of the UAV “Hunter” was fully completed at the Novosibirsk plant of the company “Sukhoi”, test flights should begin this year.

How can a prototype of an apparatus of one class, even a small drone, not even fly around, maybe a prototype for another class - an 6 generation fighter?
Well, based on the Su-57, they would create a drone and insert an electronic pilot with separate AI functions there. Well, they would have created an AI that completely controls the already serial drone and demonstrated autonomous flight and mission performance. Neither one nor the other, but the tongue to talk to the master.

And what bothers you? In my opinion you are lost in terms.

First, refresh the notion of "prototype" (prototype) in your memory and then everything will fall into place. Moreover, the prototype is not created from nothing.

"Prototype (from other Greek. Πρῶτος - first and τύπος - imprint, print; prototype, prototype)"