Baikonur is preparing for intensive launches into the orbit of OneWeb satellites

The planned launches of the two Progress cargo ships to the ISS were transferred to other rockets and another launch pad of the Baikonur cosmodrome, reports RIA News.

According to the agency’s source, the Progress launches were moved from the 31 site to the first one (Gagarinsky Start), in order to prepare the launch site for OneWeb communications apparatus launch program.

Changing the launch site required the replacement of launch vehicles. Instead of the Soyuz-2.1, the Progress MS spacecraft will launch the Soyuz-FG carriers into orbit, since they cannot launch from the first platform of the Soyuz-2.1 rocket.

The source noted that the two freed carriers will later be used to launch manned ships.

Transferring launches will allow repair or partially upgrade facilities involved in the OneWeb startup program. Works are scheduled for completion in the spring of next year.

The source added that as part of the contract with OneWeb, about two dozen rockets should be launched from Baikonur and Vostochny (most of the launches will be performed from the 31 platform), another five from the Kourou space center (French Guiana).

According to the plans, 900 satellites will enter the OneWeb system, that is, each rocket will launch 32-36 spacecraft into orbit.

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[Mountain shooter]

But! But what about Elon Musk? With super cheap falcons?

[Zubr]

Looks like raw ones are also not so cheap ..

[Wedmak]

Looks like missiles are not enough, in the same place according to statements, the launches are scheduled for a couple of years in advance and Musk is eager to get ahead of everyone and everything in the number of launches. Other criteria, as usual, are not taken into account.

[Wendigo]

Quote: Wedmak

missiles aren’t enough, according to statements

This contract is already covered with gray hair ... that is, the old one.
You need to think how to hold him now, and not be malicious about the Mask.

[Wedmak]

You need to think how to hold it now

I have nothing to do with Roscosmos, let it be better for specialized specialists to do this. ))) But let me speak maliciously: which corporation can now say, "Yes, we have two brand new launch vehicles in the blanket, let's use them?"
In general, I don’t have an opinion about Mask - it’s too much PR, too much noise from his space company, which, if you look, really hasn’t done anything unique. But it’s impossible to look at the story of saving children from the cave and the masked “submarine” without disgust.

[Blackmokona]

Musk is a competitor, he is sawing his satellite Internet. OneWeb offered Mask for cooperation (As I understand it, for giving up your Internet, get this contract)

[Wendigo]

Quote: Wedmak

which, if sorted out, really hasn’t done anything unique yet.

Do you say this out of ignorance or because you are supposed to say so by status? The site has already thousands of times given a list (which by the way is constantly updated) of all his achievements and every time those who claimed something like that fell miserably into the puddle with their own poop.
I do not want you to get dirty and I will not list his achievements 1001 times.
Like to roam in his ignorance. for God's sake, this is only worse for you.

[Wedmak]

Do you say this out of ignorance or because you are supposed to say so by status?

Do you say that because you don’t know the real situation or do you blindly believe the Mask advertisement and its ostentatious flights?
Especially since they will not give arguments about the temporary popularity of the Mask. Tired, and his followers do not want to hear anything.

[Wendigo]

Quote: Wedmak

You say that because you don’t know the real state of affairs

Look at SpaceX's market share, look at the number of contracts, new technologies, rockets and ships. Here even a child can add 2 + 2. Musk even takes part of the profit from SpaceX to help Tesla. Even this contract from the article was originally proposed to the Mask in the early stages of his activity, but he had to abandon his competing system with OneWeb. But he refused, and now it is Mask who should thank for this contract.

Quote: Wedmak

about the temporary popularity of the Mask

I do not care about the popularity of the Mask. I'm not a fan of Mask, I'm a fan of SpaceX

[Wedmak]

I'm a fan - SpaceX

What's in the forehead, what's on the forehead.

[Wendigo]

Quote: Wedmak

What's in the forehead, what's on the forehead.

And by the way, you all shouldn’t wash the bones of the Mask, but your native Russian space system that is degrading before our eyes. The contract described in the article suggests that OneWeb is no longer competitive once it turned to Russian space with its prices and ancient technologies like mammoth cal. Either she goes bankrupt or she runs away to another American private trader (not the Mask).

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But! But what about Elon Musk? With super cheap falcons?

The contract was signed BEFORE Musk established himself in the commercial launch market. But according to how the process of implementing this contract moves, it’s not an hour, he will go to it.

[Mestny]

If it is possible to terminate the contract, and enter into a new one with the Mask, who has everything so perfect, then why is this not done?
Maybe everything is fine only in the minds of young gadget lovers?

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Mestny

If it is possible to terminate the contract, and enter into a new one with the Mask, who has everything so perfect, then why is this not done?

The contract with Roscosmos is only for part of the launches, there Bezos and Shepard were pulled by the Virgin Galaxies too, but they won’t go to Mask, he is developing his own Internet project and has already launched two test satellites.

[Wendigo]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

However! But what about Elon Musk?

In 1 this is an old contract.
At 2 it’s not yet evening.

[Wedmak]

For termination of the contract usually recklessly imposed a fine, and more often also cover direct losses.

[donavi49]

1) That is, how do you understand this? LockheedMartin orders Dry Painting, Final Assembly and Flight Testing F-22 / 35? Mask has its own network - StarLink. And they will compete very fiercely.

In general, the withdrawal of thousands of garbage satellites will be that headache for MCCs all over the world.

2) The contract is old.

3) Appointed as Head Launch Contractor Arianspace. And if with Roskosmos they have a joint venture on the Kursk and they put up the Union as a commercial offer under their brand. Then they have a war with Mask (because he interrupts Arianspace contracts).

[demo]

In May 2018, Anton Zhiganov, executive director of business development and commercialization of the state-owned corporation Roscosmos, announced that a joint venture, LLC VanWeb, was created with the participation of the British company OneWeb and the Russian JSC Satellite System Gonets.

When I see information about creating a joint venture. And on the one hand our state money, and on the other hand foreigners, I don’t even think about why such a configuration.
ROLLBACK and CUT.
And who needs Ilon Mask with super-cheap falcons?

[Professor]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But! But what about Elon Musk? With super cheap falcons?

His waiting list is very long.

[Archon]

too many comers. rockets need to be launched every day to satisfy everyone

[Rostislav]

An interesting twist. The British company OneWeb with its satellites turned to Russia. They have completely lost their fear, neither May with her threats, nor Russia with Novice are afraid. What if we spray the satellites?

[donavi49]

So this is an old contract. Satellites sawing Watermelon - on the first actually conveyor. The final deal was formally given Arianspace - but she contracted the Russians + part of the rockets will be launched from the French cosmodrome (and under the brand name Arianspace). Everyone is happy. On Arian5 - to conclude, the whole EU would go bankrupt and there would be nothing to feed the refugees. Therefore, there were no options.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: donavi49

Arian5 - deduce that the entire EU would go bankrupt

That's right, ESA has cosmic prices, Mask will bury this office.

[Wedmak]

Something Roskosmos either accelerates, or has already jumped. Somewhere. And 900 satellites of OneWeb, and hundreds of satellites of the Sphere, and plans for an orbital station near the Moon with a remake for this ISS business, and an extra-heavy rocket + launch for it on Vostochny, and Angara in the series, and Soyuz-5, and in general ... Money is that enough? Less than a month ago it was "everything is bad, Mask will bankrupt us, there will be no starts" ...

[Vladivostok1969]

Well, after all, should Rogozin show the work? We are already talking. Here is the work for you.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Wedmak

900 OneWeb satellites

Not only Roskosmos is connected to launch satellites

[Mestny]

About it whined exactly the same. who are now whining about the "thief-Rogozin."
These yes, everything was bad then. and now it’s bad now.
They are generally all bad.

[g1v2]

Musk got a head start when our only heavy carrier, Proton, didn’t fly because all the ready-made rockets had to be soldered and disassembled for reasons of accidents. If in 14-15, 8 Protons were launched, in 16 - only 3. and at 17 -4. Middle Zeniths - Ukrainian, especially not flying. In general, we flew into space mainly light and medium, but closer to the lungs Unions and conversion rockets such as Rokot. Here is the suit of Mask and flooded. Due to the time constraint of the competitor, he grabbed a large share of the heavy media market. And hold her for some time. Until either Proton m resolves all problems or Angara5 completes the test. Rogozin said that the tests will be completed after 6 successful launches. But only then you still have to wait until the table is completed under the East table. Tk Plesetsk is for military launches only, and there is no other table under the Angara. Of course, I would not expect commercial launches of Angara5 before the age of 21, but rather 23. Plus, the transfer of production to Omsk was delayed.
So far, for light and medium-medium carriers, we still have all the rules, but for heavy, everything is still bad, which the Americans use. And the situation will change only after the completion of the tests of the Angara 5 and the completion of the construction of the complex under it in the East. I am generally silent about Soyuz5 - there is still in the project stage. Not even iron. I think that until 23-24 years Musk will bank.

[Wedmak]

Moreover, there’s nowhere for ours to go, the operation of the Protons is being completed, the Angara-5 will go instead. In my opinion, you’re right, our horses are changing so to speak, their infrastructure, so Mask shot. But it’s worth accelerating, the lunar orbital and surface stations really loomed on the horizon, we really can’t get out of this program.

[g1v2]

We now have infrastructure and import substitution as the number one priority in everything. Unless there is a completely complete line of missiles and the ability to launch them from their territory - everything else will be secondary, unfortunately. Plus, all this should work for decades and there is a very high probability of rushing to mess up.
But the race escalates and it is really impossible to drop out of it. I agree here. But by the way, the lunar orbital station is planned to be jointly with the Americans. It’s like the Americans will deliver, and part of the modules and spacesuits are ours.

[Wedmak]

But by the way, the lunar orbital station is planned to be jointly with the Americans.

Yes, but even here the Americans want to attach a hedgehog to us - they demand to make a gateway at the ground station according to their standards, I think they will offer the same thing in orbital. This is very bad, since we threaten a lot of money for this - all production chains need to be redone. And they, as usual, having received the station, wave to us with a pen, finding an insignificant reason.

[g1v2]

Hardly. Station maintenance is an expensive pleasure. The opportunity to shift at least part of the financing to other mattresses will not be missed. Another thing is that we will be very limited to conduct independent research whenever possible.
And as for the gateway, everything is so simple. The missiles will be theirs - which means the gateways will be according to their standards. You can’t do it here. Our rockets will be ready - we can talk.

[Wedmak]

It seems to me that by the beginning of real construction work they will either agree on a single standard, or the program will fall apart. It’s one thing to station in Earth’s orbit, if that is a descent down, after an hour and a half it’s safe, another thing to orbit the Moon, and even more so on the surface, if anything suddenly - a kayuk immediately. Space rescuers in our films only. A single standard in space technology will provide not only equipment compatibility, but also high reliability guarantees.
And not like now, we have centimeters, they have inches, we have 220 volts, they have 110 ... and any adapter is a risk factor.

[Semurg]

900 communication satellites of one operator is cool, as in a song we were born to make a fairy tale come true.

[donavi49]

There satellites are micro.

[Kasym]

Greetings, Semurg!
900 satellites + 640 Russian communications satellites. In near-earth orbit, traffic jams will soon be, as in the center of a large city at rush hour.
Last time you asked why I stand for cooperation so much. Well, and that many fellow countrymen changed their relationship for him (collabo.) ...
But they changed because of the arrogant comments of the Russians on the site, which are far from the topic. Please read the opinion of their own (Russian) specialists, if not laziness:
Academician Sagdeev. "Space that we lost" MK in Kazakhstan from July 11-17, 2018
Dmitry Permyakov with the same name, 3 articles
Vladimir Gudilin, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Major General of the reserve. "Look around in the compartments." An article in the Arguments of the Week ... The most interesting, in my opinion - Oriental, Angara, etc.
Unfortunately, but there is no money for all Russian projects. All the time there is a shift to the right in terms of time. By the 30th year of Russia. astronautics, according to these specialists, slide down to 4-5th place in the world, remaining cosmic at best. a cabman.

[Semurg]

Something I do not believe that the money in Russia is dumb. There is money up to .... and more if it is properly disposed of. And cooperation will decrease for two objective reasons 1) our economy was completely tied up in the USSR, now this link decreases every year 2) the generation of people born in the USSR leaves and Kazakh youth do not see the light in Russians at the end of the tunnel.

[Kasym]

I do not agree with your reasons.
1. Judging by the growing turnover, then no ... The Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia have killed and are killing the Soviet legacy, and what will happen in the end ?! ..... NAS in the EAEU seeks to restore the lost technological chains of the USSR - well, at least not to lose.
2. That is not the point. Yes, and young people do not decide anything - where parents will send, they mainly go there ... The level of education is falling, so many parents send their children to Russian schools to send them to grow up. Universities (if we talk about applied sciences). Judge at least by the number of our students studying in Russia. Universities. I know this situation from the inside ... In the world there are only three scientific schools: Russian, French and English. All world scientific achievements have these roots ...
About the money. You read what I suggested ... They steal trite - judge by criminal cases in the East. Well, the fact that the government does not take into account the opinion of specialists. Sooner or later, this will lead to the fact that there will be no concrete results. Have you read about the development of the Angara? "Angara - sour dough"
http://argumenti.ru/toptheme/n384/245850

[Semurg]

The commodity circulation during the collapse of the USSR between Kazssr and the RSFSR and the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation compare, as well as compare the commodity circulation of the Kazssr and foreign countries and the Republic of Kazakhstan and foreign countries today. At the expense of studying, the lion's share of students in universities of the Russian Federation are Russians, who thus migrate to their historical homeland, Kazakh youth chooses other countries for higher education.

[Kasym]

So with one state, and then another thing. I mean the growth in trade ... Actually, the nuclear industry is the most high-tech industry. Moreover, in cooperation with the Russian Federation. Tokamak and reactor near Almaty.
I am writing that I know the situation from the inside. Ours in Cambridge and Sorbon are few in comparison with Moscow and Novosibirsk - I write for the applied sciences, and not for any legal economists. Earlier in the MSTU. Bauman Kazakhs for some specials. they didn’t take it at all - now there are agreements.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Kasym

In near-earth orbit, traffic jams will soon be, as in the center of a large city at rush hour.

What nonsense, every day in the sky more than 20 thousand aircraft fly at an altitude of 1 to 10 km and they do not bother anyone, but here heights from 200 to 40000 km. In order for traffic jams to appear, millions of satellites must be launched.

[Kasym]

You do not understand humor? It is clear that this was written with sarcasm.

[Operator]

OneWeb is a project of the British company of the same name, sponsored by the largest multinational corporations.

The project involves launching, until 2021, into near-Earth orbits at altitudes from 800 to 950 km 900 communication satellites, providing access to cellular and 4G mobile Internet from anywhere in the world in centimeter and millimeter radio bands.

The specified satellite constellation will also globally provide the armed forces of NATO and Japan with secure communication and data transmission channels at a speed of 10 terabits per second.

Network-centricity drives.

PS The Russian analogue "Sphere" is at the stage of the preliminary project.

[IXION]

Here, by the way, is a good example of space capitalization. For the sake of the enormous funds of a private company, it was decided to suspend scientific projects on the ISS.
However, this is true, Roskosmos needs money. Yes, and it’s lucky that 900 satellites will be brought out by another company that will not be able to work, probably the Arian Space and saw the project together with Roskosmos

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Quote: Operator

PS The Russian analogue "Sphere" is at the stage of the preliminary project.

They do. In the meantime, the military component is being successfully replaced by Hurricanes, Meridians and other Leopards.

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Soyuz MS-10 / Soyuz-FG (Gagarin launch No. 1)
Progress MS-10 / Soyuz-FG (2 round-up docking scheme, Site 31)
Soyuz MS-11 / Soyuz-FG (Gagarin launch No. 1)
Progress MS-11 / Soyuz-FG (2 round-up docking scheme, Site 31)
Soyuz MS-12 / Soyuz-FG (Gagarin launch No. 1)
Soyuz MS-13 / Soyuz-FG (Gagarin launch No. 1)
Soyuz MS-14 / Soyuz 2-1A (2 round-up docking scheme, unmanned, within the framework of testing a new carrier and cargo-returning ship Site 31)
Soyuz MS-15 / Soyuz-FG (last launch of the Soyuz-FG, Gagarinsky launch No. 1)
Soyuz MS-16 / Soyuz 2-1A (2-turn docking scheme, Site 31)

[kuz363]

However strange! Why are there no snacks from the East?

[An60]

You wanted to write: "Why there is no SNACKS from the East?"