So did Russia earn on the World Cup 2018 or did it not?

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World economic services, consulting agencies and mass media, including Russian ones, are discussing and trying to make assessments of whether Russia has lost or acquired financially from holding the World Cup. If we talk strictly about the financial component, then the majority still agrees that economically, the championship for Russia is in the red. However, there are other assessments that take into account, in particular, questions of a humanitarian nature. Namely, the “image” attractiveness of Russia for foreign tourists and for the development of tourism (including sports) domestic.

The American consulting agency McKinsey has published its report on the financial component of the World Cup 2018 for Russia. According to analysts of this structure, the Russian Federation has already received a net profit from holding the tournament in the amount of up to 2,95 billion dollars. This is exactly the net profit minus all expenses. Other economists are arguing with these findings, including representatives of the Swiss Swiss Appraisal. They claim that at the moment Russia was not able to recoup the 10 part of what was invested in hosting the biggest tournament of the 4 anniversary.



So did Russia earn on the World Cup 2018 or did it not?


Earlier, economic analysts in Russia themselves noted that according to the results of the year, holding the World Cup in Russia will lead to an additional contribution to the country's economy at the level of 1-1,2% of GDP. This is an impressive figure, especially when you consider that, for example, in Brazil, the opposite effect occurred, and the Brazilian economy lost around 0,6% of GDP as a result of the event.

German experts advise not to try to clarify the economic indicators of the tournament now. According to them, the financial component of the tournament will manifest itself in 3-4 years. It was after such a period of time that the German economy felt a certain increase in their investments in the World Cup 2006. It is about the exploitation of new and reconstructed stadiums, transport infrastructure, tourism attractiveness, accompanying football marketing. On the mere sale of souvenirs in Germany, they managed to earn over 2 billion euros, while consolidating investment packages from the main sponsors after the tournament.

If we talk about the World Cup 2018 in Russia, then at the moment its “psychological” result is obvious.



The tournament for hundreds of thousands of foreign tourists opened their eyes to Russia, which already allows us to destroy the fakes that are constantly broadcast by a number of Western media.
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  1. +4
    18 July 2018 07: 16
    Someone earned, and someone flew. This is the market.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. +8
        18 July 2018 07: 25
        The bug in the ball was worth it smile
        1. +22
          18 July 2018 08: 49
          I am very pleased that this championship was held in our country. Along the way, new / reconstructed airports, train stations, overpasses, roads .. Whining about what washed the paving stones in the cities is negligible .. everything will be restored ... the elements, it happens, especially when showers throw out a two-month norm on one day .. And the country needs such mega projects ..
          1. +5
            18 July 2018 08: 59
            It would be better if the drainage systems were put in order.
            1. +29
              18 July 2018 09: 02
              Quote: gukoyan
              It would be better if the drainage systems were put in order.

              Drainage systems? Yes, in those places where the stadiums were, there were vacant lots and landfills, at best dull administrative buildings ... what kind of drainage systems are there? there was dirt up to his ears ... and now people feel like people!
              What volumes of work !! and 30 meters of paving stones were washed away - and howling all over the country! - this is a diagnosis! This is all being restored!



              Cities really transformed!
              1. +20
                18 July 2018 09: 13
                Quote: Nasr
                Drainage systems? Yes, in those places where the stadiums were, there were vacant lots and landfills, at best dull administrative buildings ... what kind of drainage systems are there? there was dirt up to his ears ... and now people feel like people!

                The real exam is this time. Let's see how these objects will look in 4-5 years. Something tells me that most stadiums will never be full again. The stadiums themselves will hang on the neck of local budgets in the form of an overwhelming burden and will always appear in the article “Losses”.
                1. +13
                  18 July 2018 09: 18
                  And those who were fenced off by foreigners with metal fences, were they also repaired? They also set up the infrastructure?
                2. +4
                  18 July 2018 09: 23
                  You discovered the secret of the Open. Everything was clear about stadiums from the very beginning. This is more of a political project, although much has been done precisely in the infrastructure of the championship cities, but it is worth a lot (and in the literal and figurative sense).
                3. +10
                  18 July 2018 09: 23
                  Quote: professor
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Drainage systems? Yes, in those places where the stadiums were, there were vacant lots and landfills, at best dull administrative buildings ... what kind of drainage systems are there? there was dirt up to his ears ... and now people feel like people!

                  The real exam is this time. Let's see how these objects will look in 4-5 years. Something tells me that most stadiums will never be full again. The stadiums themselves will hang on the neck of local budgets in the form of an overwhelming burden and will always appear in the article “Losses”.

                  Take it easy. Try to buy a ticket for July 27, the Russian Cup! And the stadium accommodates 45 people ...!
                  In addition to the stadiums, a huge number of football fields and sports facilities across the country were reconstructed .. Football will be in the country!
                  1. +4
                    18 July 2018 10: 25
                    Quote: Nasr
                    Take it easy. Try to buy a ticket for July 27, the Russian Cup! And the stadium accommodates 45 people ...!

                    I am calm as a boa constrictor. I’ll wait for 5 years and look at the state of the infrastructure.

                    Quote: Nasr
                    In addition to the stadiums, a huge number of football fields and sports facilities across the country were reconstructed .. Football will be in the country!

                    What does this have to do with the Championship?
                    1. +4
                      18 July 2018 10: 33
                      Quote: professor

                      I am calm as a boa constrictor. I’ll wait for 5 years and look at the state of the infrastructure.

                      Wait, what else do you do then?
                      Quote: professor


                      Quote: Nasr
                      In addition to the stadiums, a huge number of football fields and sports facilities across the country were reconstructed .. Football will be in the country!


                      What does this have to do with the Championship?

                      Direct! The most direct ... if off topic - do not ask stupid questions ...
                      1. +1
                        18 July 2018 15: 01
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Wait, what else do you do then?

                        I will go about my business and the time will come.

                        Quote: Nasr
                        Direct! The most direct ... if off topic - do not ask stupid questions ...

                        Football fields and sports facilities throughout the country have NO relation to the World Cup. From the word "completely."
                    2. +4
                      18 July 2018 12: 25
                      Why five? Let's check in 25 years. And suddenly there the platband from the door to one of the toilets will fall off ...
                    3. +4
                      18 July 2018 15: 47
                      Quote: professor

                      Football fields and sports facilities throughout the country have NO relation to the World Cup. From the word "completely."

                      Hehe ... the professor doesn’t know, better be quiet, you’ll be a smart guy ...
                      Olimpiysky and Spartak stadiums reconstructed in Chuvashia

                      In preparation for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Chuvashia, the Spartak and Olympic stadiums were reconstructed in Cheboksary.

                      In accordance with the requirements of FIFA, football fields were almost reconstructed at both stadiums: the drainage system was replaced, a natural lawn with a special grass cover was seeded, and an automatic watering system was carried out. Specialized equipment was acquired to maintain the lawn in the football fields in good condition. The necessary training for lawn maintenance was completed by staff. In addition, new lighting masts with a luminous flux of at least 500 lux were installed. Administrative facilities were also brought into compliance with international standards. So, at the Olympic stadium, the corresponding construction work was carried out in the sub-tribune rooms. Equipped with more spacious locker rooms, modern conference rooms, and other household areas. Centralized security points were also organized, and a modern video surveillance system was installed, covering the stadium along the entire perimeter, with virtually no dead zones.

                      -----

                      In Dedovsk near Moscow created a first-class sports base

                      Now in Dedovsk there is a good football field with a natural lawn, a new administrative building and modern lighting.

                      At the time of the World Cup, the Guchkovo sports complex became the training base of the Belgian national team.

                      After the championship, the Guchkovo sports complex will be used as a base for the local football sports school, and a regional trampoline center will be located on its territory.
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                      Reconstruction of the Rodina stadium in Khimki completed

                      In Khimki, reconstruction of the Rodina stadium was completed, which was included in the list of facilities under reconstruction for the 2018 FIFA World Cup, approved by the Government of the Russian Federation. The work lasted about a year.

                      During the reconstruction, work was done to equip a natural lawn with an automatic irrigation system, overhaul and strengthen the supporting structures of the main tribune of the stadium, and replace all engineering systems. As a result of the redevelopment, a press center appeared in the under-tribune space, accommodating 100 media representatives. Changing rooms for teams for 25 people have been completely updated, their area has been increased. Equipped with a new security coordination headquarters, checkpoints, stands in the stands to accommodate persons with disabilities.
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                      18.07.2017
                      For the 2018 World Cup in Nizhny Novgorod, about 50 different objects, primarily sports, will be built or reconstructed. DK.RU tested old and new training facilities.
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                      In addition to the 12 stadiums at which 2018 Mundial matches will be played, 11 pre-match training grounds (three for each stadium) will be created in 36 host cities of the tournament.

                      And so throughout the European part of the country ...
                      1. +4
                        18 July 2018 16: 22
                        26 thousand in Saransk. This is no longer the World Cup - it's FNL
                        Tags FNL photo Mordovia fans Mordovia Arena Football
                        The first World Cup heritage test took place in Saransk. “Mordovia” began the season in the FNL at the stadium, which recently watched Cristiano Ronaldo. The last in the Mordovia Arena were the teams of Panama and Tunisia. The game had no tournament significance and almost got to the full house - 37 thousand out of 41.

                        Today, according to official figures, 26 people gathered for the match of Mordovia against Nizhny Novgorod. Less than at the World Cup, but still it turned out very atmospheric.
                      2. +1
                        18 July 2018 16: 50
                        Quote: Nasr
                        And so throughout the European part of the country ...

                        Was the toilet in Mukhoisk also repaired "in preparation for the World Cup"? Otherwise, would it not be repaired? wassat

                        Quote: Nasr
                        Hehe ... the professor doesn’t know, better be quiet, you’ll be a smart guy ...

                        And how can I be rude ....
                    4. +1
                      18 July 2018 21: 18
                      Quote: professor

                      Was the toilet in Mukhoisk also repaired "in preparation for the World Cup"? Otherwise, would it not be repaired? wassat


                      Professor, you’ve made it ... I mean, he blurted out without thinking ... and this is your answer, which speaks above for this! Your resume is fake, professor. And Mukhosk is now Tel Aviv ... and you now know it better than me ... hi
                4. +2
                  18 July 2018 10: 06
                  Quote: professor
                  The real exam is this time. Let's see how these objects will look in 4-5 years

                  Here is what the stadium in Volgograd already looks like during the rains:
                  [media = http: //www.facebook.com/SANDYMUSTACHE/vide
                  os / 1270144099786453 /? t = 22]
                  1. +8
                    18 July 2018 10: 22
                    Rains are different ... And ... how then steal and hack in Japan then?

                    1. 0
                      18 July 2018 12: 51
                      in Japan, most urban houses do not cost more than 15-20 years. They are demolished and rebuilt. And durability and strength requirements are relevant
                      and do not forget that there are earthquakes.
                      As a rule, in these houses there is no heating and normal thermal insulation, the walls are thin.
                  2. +1
                    18 July 2018 19: 50
                    Quote: Normal ok
                    Here is what the stadium in Volgograd already looks like during the rains:
                    [media = http: //www.facebook.com/SANDYMUSTACHE/vide
                    os / 1270144099786453 /? t = 22]
                    the page is not available.....
                5. 0
                  18 July 2018 18: 00
                  Quote: professor
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Drainage systems? Yes, in those places where the stadiums were, there were vacant lots and landfills, at best dull administrative buildings ... what kind of drainage systems are there? there was dirt up to his ears ... and now people feel like people!

                  The real exam is this time. Let's see how these objects will look in 4-5 years. Something tells me that most stadiums will never be full again. The stadiums themselves will hang on the neck of local budgets in the form of an overwhelming burden and will always appear in the article “Losses”.


                  unfortunately you are right ... in the USSR it was possible to come to most stadiums at any time and study, now this is simply unthinkable - everything is under “reliable protection” and only for the elite, that is, for money or not at all ...
              2. +13
                18 July 2018 09: 18
                Regarding the payback of the mundial - guys, money has poured into our cities! They gave work to our people! Say - look at Kazan - this city is just a fairy tale! I really liked Kazan - I congratulate its residents! But it was so reconstructed for previous sports events! Does anyone say that it’s bad that Kazan was reconstructed?
                1. +5
                  18 July 2018 11: 50
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Does anyone say that it’s bad that Kazan was reconstructed?

                  Kazan "infusion" is in second place after Chechnya wink Say why ... or guess yourself? wassat
                  And by the way, here in Kazan for some reason nothing was washed out and the embankment (3 cascade) is the best in Russia good
                  1. +4
                    18 July 2018 12: 49
                    Kazan in the 90s was part of the Russian Federation on certain conditions of autonomy
                    therefore, her budget is in much better condition than, say, Voronezh.
              3. +3
                18 July 2018 09: 30
                Quote: Nasr
                Quote: gukoyan
                It would be better if the drainage systems were put in order.

                Drainage systems? Yes, in those places where the stadiums were, there were vacant lots and landfills, at best dull administrative buildings ... what kind of drainage systems are there? there was dirt up to his ears ... and now people feel like people!
                What volumes of work !! and 30 meters of paving stones were washed away - and howling all over the country! - this is a diagnosis! This is all being restored!



                Cities really transformed!

                and what does the Lower Volga embankment in Nizhny have to do with it? If only to KEEP?
                1. +10
                  18 July 2018 09: 35
                  She was also remodeled to the mundial!
                  Forgot what she looked like? I remind you:

                  and now :
                  1. +7
                    18 July 2018 09: 48
                    Quote: Nasr
                    She was also remodeled to the mundial!
                    Forgot what she looked like? I remind you:

                    and now :

                    Do not lie.
                    it began to be reconstructed when no one thought about the world cup.
                    For ten years there was a blue fence between the river station and the Kanavinsky bridge.
                    About six years later, courts went about this piece of land.
                    here is the HALTURA made for the championship.
                    1. +11
                      18 July 2018 10: 02
                      A fence stood over ten stairs, but did they make it to the mundial? And they decided all the disputes on the ground ... and all to the mundial !!! laughing I'm not lying, you said it yourself ...

                      A hack - 30 meters no more - which will be corrected. during this month ... and the fact that the area from shit turned into candy? What is it like?
                      Do not commit suicide from hatred of people! hi There is nothing to talk about with you - you are a pathological pessimist - hopeless from you, and this is contagious! Farewell!
                      1. jjj
                        +6
                        18 July 2018 10: 14
                        An insignificant amount of blurry areas just says that it was done well
                      2. +3
                        18 July 2018 10: 21
                        Quote: Nasr
                        A fence stood over ten stairs, but did they make it to the mundial? And they decided all the disputes on the ground ... and all to the mundial !!! laughing I'm not lying, you said it yourself ...

                        A hack - 30 meters no more - which will be corrected. during this month ... and the fact that the area from shit turned into candy? What is it like?
                        Do not commit suicide from hatred of people! hi There is nothing to talk about with you - you are a pathological pessimist - hopeless from you, and this is contagious! Farewell!

                        were you in Nizhny or studied on TV?
                        Meshchera (the area where the stadium was built) was never shit. there is a young district. and some of the most expensive apartments in the city.
                        and built there only this hacky embankment.
                        you LEARN, but know the measure.
                        ask a question to the Nizhny Novgorod people, who probably are on this site.
                        rather than post pictures 50 years ago and modern in comparison.
                        and do not watch the news.
                    2. +2
                      18 July 2018 10: 27
                      Hehe, here is a picture not 50 years ago ... in this place the taperyacha stadium
                      Everything for people !!! wassat Look here for what is washed away? Find? Not a district, but just a fairy tale !!! How many happy Nizhny Novgorod people then !!! laughing


                      Farewell!!! It's boring with you! hi
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                    3. +1
                      18 July 2018 11: 01
                      How is the Kanavinsky bridge still standing, is the smoking room rusty? laughing
                      1. -1
                        18 July 2018 11: 20
                        Quote: Nitochkin
                        How is the Kanavinsky bridge still standing, is the smoking room rusty? laughing

                        worth it for now. Myzinsky "repaired." and he cracked after a short time.
                      2. 0
                        18 July 2018 11: 57
                        We were planning to capitalize the Myzinsky bridge since December 2017, the deadlines have moved .. then it “cracked” ...


                        18 April 2018.
                        Repair of the Myzinsky bridge will begin in July 2018

                        Overhaul of the Myzinsky bridge, which was discussed at the end of last year, is scheduled to begin in July. This "KP" -NN "was reported in the main city department for the construction and repair of the subway, bridges and road networks.

                        According to the GUMMiD, repair work will be carried out in two stages and stretch for a couple of years.

                        - From July to November 2018, it is planned to repair the roadway of the crossing, and in 2019 - to update the sidewalks, replace the fences and lighting of the bridge, the GUMMiD reported.

                        https://www.nnov.kp.ru/daily/26820/3857578/
              4. +4
                18 July 2018 09: 37
                Stadiums and infrastructure are forever. Maintenance is always easier than building. Stadiums are sports, and children's sections, and tourists, and roads, and bars, and hotels, and excursions, and souvenir products. This is a powerful catalyst for the development of the area. Compare the drainage and the stadium .... As it would be so understandable to put it. And let's - as an alternative to buying an apartment - the whole family every Tuesday and Thursday for the next 10 years to go to the bar, instead of a home dinner. but "guaranteed" pleasure. I don’t even know how to compare, so as to show all the absurdity and the nearness of the comparisons. There are still some gourmet analysts offered to raise pensions instead of the championship. From the same series of education and literacy.
              5. +1
                18 July 2018 11: 46
                Quote: Nasr
                What volumes of work !! and 30 meters of paving stones were washed away - and howling all over the country! - this is a diagnosis! This is all being restored!


                And what extra work do you have not melted money? wassat Come on, come on ..... this is where you washed away just 30 meters of paving stones? belay
                Pruff to the studio !!! wassat And for the restoration of the same ... and also estimates for restoration work wassat
                1. 0
                  18 July 2018 12: 13
                  Are you rocky? very miserable somehow ... Do you want to check the estimates, really participate in the life of the country, show your zeal in the fight against corruption? - It can be done. I can help you - send me your data in a personal, then I will meet you and you will participate in the audit of the work to eliminate the consequences of emergencies after heavy rains. Send data. I'm serious. Sergey, will you participate?
            2. SSR
              +7
              18 July 2018 09: 59
              Quote: gukoyan
              It would be better if the drainage systems were put in order.

              It would be better if people were handed out!
              It would be better if you bought 100 MS-22!
              It would be better if the water treatment plants were built!
              It would be better to invest in space!
              Best would have done!

              You can go on forever. wassat

              As for me, this is the best thing that people could do, and people’s blinkers, and infrastructure and other projects. hi
          2. mvg
            0
            18 July 2018 12: 24
            Can you imagine what this World Cup cost for not the richest Russia? Under the guise of a pension reform. And these objects will be empty! Or do you think in Saransk in the FNL 40 thousand will go to the stadium? As they walked 2-3 thousand, they will, and the stadium’s maintenance is more than the team’s budget, and so almost everywhere .. Volgograd, Samara, Novgorod ..
            So are the airports ... or all of a sudden everyone starts flying? Except in a dream?
          3. +3
            18 July 2018 12: 45
            only one question - why are airports, stadiums, roads for tourists being built, and not for us.
            Personally, I'm annoyed by the announcement in the metro "Fifa Fan Fast."
            If someone doesn’t like football, where should he go?
            1. +2
              18 July 2018 12: 52
              Seryoga, airports and roads - for you, use it!
              Do not go to the stadium - I remind you, you do not like football!
              hi
              1. 0
                18 July 2018 12: 54
                I did not speak to myself.
                and about the use of airports - not everyone has the money to go somewhere.
                1. 0
                  18 July 2018 12: 54
                  Quote: yehat
                  I did not speak to myself.
                  and about the use of airports - not everyone has the money to go somewhere.

                  But what about those who have money?
                  1. +1
                    18 July 2018 12: 58
                    build airports not for the World Cup, but just build for people as needed.
                    all Moscow airports require modernization - they suck.
                    Pulkovo in St. Petersburg is also far from the name "good."
                    1. +1
                      18 July 2018 13: 02
                      And what is the difference when - to build the World Cup or "just" build? laughing
                      1. 0
                        18 July 2018 13: 15
                        articulate it yourself. you can.
                    2. 0
                      18 July 2018 13: 23
                      Quote: yehat
                      articulate it yourself. you can.

                      We talked great! good drinks
                    3. +2
                      18 July 2018 13: 45
                      A new terminal is being built in Domodedovo, it was about 2 years ago, it may already be completed

                      In Simferopol, in general, a huge terminal was built, old and new.

                2. +1
                  18 July 2018 14: 38
                  and about the use of airports - not everyone has the money to go somewhere.

                  But this is bad, and this problem must be solved. And it solves it, including the development of transport infrastructure ... including the construction of airports.
                3. +1
                  18 July 2018 20: 51
                  If we are talking about flights by planes, then, if I am not mistaken, in Russia this indicator reached approximately Soviet indicators, even if they did not surpass them. If this topic is approached correctly, air travel is often cheaper or on a par with a train. Moreover, you can completely fly for adequate money.
                  1. 0
                    19 July 2018 00: 14
                    It is unlikely. In large aviation, this is possible, but in small aviation it is a complete corral. Just remember that in the USSR there were many small airports (remember the same movie of Mimino), where on Anushki or MI-8 it was possible to fly to a neighboring area.
              2. 0
                18 July 2018 14: 52
                I would rather have built an arena instead of the Zenit football for chess)))
                1. 0
                  18 July 2018 16: 02
                  Quote: yehat
                  I would rather have built an arena instead of the Zenit football for chess)))


                  tongue
                  1. +1
                    18 July 2018 17: 22
                    By the way, the game with large pieces is really interesting.
                    I'm in Sochi after the beach so had fun
          4. +2
            18 July 2018 14: 32
            Well, actually there are rains every year, when it’s bigger, when it’s smaller, if the newly built wash off with the first rain, then the builders made a big mistake, and most likely in the project itself.

            On the other hand, I recall the 2012 European Championship. On this occasion, many also had a lot of skepticism, but nevertheless remained in my native Lviv from him

            1. a new airport (terminal from scratch and reconstruction and extension of the runway), it is still not 100% loaded but still an order of magnitude more comfortable than the old
            2. The stadium - which is often used not only for football but also for all kinds of concerts and conferences - well, in general, it survives as it can, but it still stands and is in operation.
            3. Plus patched up roads in some places for this championship (not everywhere, but nevertheless there is more order with roads).
            Those are material advantages anyway.
    2. +3
      18 July 2018 09: 33
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Someone earned, and someone flew. This is the market.

      someone earned well and still earned on raised VAT and gasoline. well, future retirees are so generally happy.
      1. 0
        18 July 2018 14: 13
        raising VAT is such an absurd move that it’s even difficult to compare with something.
        as for gasoline, these speculations come every year - nothing new.
        under sowing all fuel suddenly becomes more expensive and even try to call objective market conditions ..
    3. +1
      18 July 2018 14: 52
      And I am pleased with the championship. I visited one match even. Everything was organized at the highest level, Western Europe (for example) just resting.

      Have you seen box riots in France over championship? democratic tear gas, rubber truncheons and water cannons ... and the crowd destroys windows and throws stones, savages simply.

      There’s no need to worry about further use, the Sochi 2014 Olympic venues are working, being used, they haven’t collapsed, and there will also be - I personally have no doubts
    4. 0
      23 July 2018 23: 35
      Typically, privatization of profits and nationalization of losses occur.
  2. +18
    18 July 2018 07: 19
    I, as the largest couch economic analyst, believe that Russia has only lost ....

    What will the rest of the sofa community say?
    1. +5
      18 July 2018 07: 23
      And what are the main losses?
      1. +9
        18 July 2018 08: 03
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        And what are the main losses?

        In the money. Germany in 2006 spent 6 billion dollars on the World Cup. and she had no payback. Brazil spent 11 billion dollars. Russia more than 14 mln.dol. During the construction and reconstruction of stadiums, there were no financial irregularities in just one, in Sochi.
        1. +5
          18 July 2018 08: 46
          Quote: Random
          in Volgograd stands the famous memorial complex Mamaev Kurgan, and it has not been washed away for decades

          And how can a mound be washed?
          Natural disaster is a natural disaster, and do not try to earn points on it
          Quote: Random
          Houses built hundreds of years ago do not collapse unless burned and demolished.

          So will you?
          Quote: Random
          Roads built by the ancient Romans still stand in some places

          After this nonsense, there’s simply nothing to talk about with you. Excuse me.
          1. +1
            18 July 2018 12: 06
            [quote = Alexander Romanov] So will he go? [/ quote]
            No ... it won’t go ..... show in the photo any house in Volgograd or Kaliningrad ... "washed away" by the elements (built according to the Stalin and the "Teutonic" projects), and so ... when there is nothing to say then ... wink
            And what about the roads you didn’t like? wink Ignorance, ignorance or ... "approval"? wink
            To tell how old the tile or yourself ... "guess"?wassat


            [quote = Alexander Romanov] [quote = Random] in Volgograd stands the famous memorial complex Mamaev Kurgan, and it has not been washed away for decades [/ quote]
            And how can a mound be washed?
            Well, after that, Nonsense for sure ... there’s nothing to talk about at all, though ... it seems that by age they graduated from normal school ... not with passing exams in the EG recourse or is it "contagious" wassat
          2. +1
            18 July 2018 12: 50
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            But after this nonsense, there’s simply nothing to talk about with you.

            Alexander, you have demonstrated the whole depth of your ignorance! Ancient Roman roads were preserved under the arch of Gavi (Verona), in the city of Martotel (Catalonia), and in some places in the Middle East. Of course, now they are almost no longer in operation - but 500 years ago they were the best. what was in Europe!
        2. SSR
          +2
          18 July 2018 10: 35
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          And what are the main losses?

          In the money. Germany in 2006 spent 6 billion dollars on the World Cup. and she had no payback..

          German experts advise not to chase in attempts to clarify the economic indicators of the tournament now. According to them, the financial component of the tournament will manifest itself within 3-4 years. It was after such a period of time that the German economy felt a certain increase from its investments in the 2006 World Cup.

          Are you consciously trying to cheat or is it instinctive?)))
          1. 0
            18 July 2018 22: 20
            Quote from S.S.R.
            Are you consciously trying to cheat or is it instinctive?)))

            What kind of "German experts" concluded that the World Cup will give profit within 3-4 years? belay You yourself then tried to think about how the World Cup can pay for itself within 3-4 years? fool The simple question is HOW!
        3. 0
          18 July 2018 12: 55
          one zenith-arena which is worth)))
          it is useful to recall its final cost.
      2. +6
        18 July 2018 08: 13
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        And what are the main losses?


        This is Samara crying


        This is Volgograd: crying

        This is the Lower .... crying

        Well and so on ..... in short - The carriage turns into a pumpkin crying
        Photo from - https://varlamov.ru good
        1. +14
          18 July 2018 08: 23
          Quote: Random
          y and so on ..... in short - The carriage turns into a pumpkin

          You upload photos from Japan or China, where the heavy rains took place? There is no one who wouldn’t think of laying out destroyed objects with water and writing like that.
          1. +10
            18 July 2018 08: 35
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You upload photos from Japan or China, where the heavy rains took place?

            Dear Alexander hi... night your attention a few hundred meters from the stadium in Volgograd is the famous memorial complex Mamaev Kurgan, and it has not been washed away for decades wink
            . Houses built hundreds of years ago do not collapse unless burned and demolished. wink
            Roads built by the ancient Romans still stand in some places. wink
            The tile in the Kaliningrad region that the Germans laid before the war still lies, and nothing happened to it in 80 years.
            And then the first rain and washes away everything. wassat

            We have modern technology and equipment. Computers are capable of calculating all the loads in seconds, simulating any situations. Drones control the construction!
            It was 15 years ago that we at the institute, at a sopromat, manually calculated which column to choose and how to correctly make the retaining wall in order to withstand the load. Today, everything is automated. wink

            Little is left for man: follow the project, terms, technologies, do not save and do not steal. fellow
            And everything will be "zashebis" good .
            But not ........ it turns out. Somewhere they’re cheating, somewhere ..... they’ll “die off,” somewhere instead of qualified specialists they will invite crooked “hurry”.
            And everything for "them" is so ..... from shit and branches. recourse
            So .... "and the rain washes away all traces" please leave for ..... "younger children" wink
            1. +3
              18 July 2018 10: 37
              Computers are capable of calculating all the loads in seconds, simulating any situations.
              Computers do NOT simulate any situations, but only those situations whose parameters are embedded in the program. In fact, the destruction occurred as a result of a natural disaster. It is difficult to predict how the soil will behave as a result of severe flooding, since the soil can be heterogeneous - which means that unaccounted parameters arise. It is necessary to fully know the composition of the soil, for which it must be completely created artificially. Judging by the photo, the soil collapsed (one might say failed) below the artificial embankment, i.e. that part of the soil whose parameters are laid out from several exploratory drilling (somewhat rough).
              1. +4
                18 July 2018 10: 56
                Quote: flicker
                Computers are capable of calculating all the loads in seconds, simulating any situations.
                Computers do NOT simulate any situations, but only those situations whose parameters are embedded in the program. In fact, the destruction occurred as a result of a natural disaster. It is difficult to predict how the soil will behave as a result of severe flooding, since the soil can be heterogeneous - which means that unaccounted parameters arise. It is necessary to fully know the composition of the soil, for which it must be completely created artificially. Judging by the photo, the soil collapsed (one might say failed) below the artificial embankment, i.e. that part of the soil whose parameters are laid out from several exploratory drilling (somewhat rough).


                Oh how, unaccounted for parameters mean ?! What's new in the design of artificial structures!
                1. 0
                  18 July 2018 18: 30
                  Just to object to something.
                  1. +2
                    18 July 2018 18: 48
                    Quote: flicker
                    Just to object to something.


                    Not something, but in the case. Give me grace, give a link to any regulatory documentation that talks about the possibility of occurrence of unaccounted parameters. If it is said about them, then in only one way - there should not be unaccounted for parameters!
                    Z.Y. It’s immediately obvious that you are not a designer. Everyman, sofa ikspert.
                    1. 0
                      18 July 2018 22: 13
                      Z.Y. It’s immediately obvious that you are not a designer. Everyman, sofa ikspert.
                      But just did not try to think?
                      Take for example an earthquake. How to deal with it, simulate the behavior of the soil or strengthen the structure being constructed? Probably the structure being constructed is being smashed - it falls, but does not collapse. Why not the ground? Because the design can be calculated quite fully (and even not completely), and it is extremely difficult to calculate the natural soil completely. And all because the soil has a depth whose composition is unknown - i.e. unknown parameters exist. Of course, you can find them, but for this you need to dig all the land under the building under construction, to a depth of several tens of kilometers. Shovel in your hands.
                      1. +1
                        19 July 2018 02: 44
                        Quote: flicker
                        Z.Y. It’s immediately obvious that you are not a designer. Everyman, sofa ikspert.
                        But just did not try to think?
                        Take for example an earthquake. How to deal with it, simulate the behavior of the soil or strengthen the structure being constructed? Probably the structure being constructed is being smashed - it falls, but does not collapse. Why not the ground? Because the design can be calculated quite fully (and even not completely), and it is extremely difficult to calculate the natural soil completely. And all because the soil has a depth whose composition is unknown - i.e. unknown parameters exist. Of course, you can find them, but for this you need to dig all the land under the building under construction, to a depth of several tens of kilometers. Shovel in your hands.


                        Oh, everything about spades started.
                        Find the Federal Law of December 30, 2009 No. 384-ФЗ "Technical Regulations on the Safety of Buildings and Structures" and open Chapter 2. Although no, start from the very beginning, you are a philistine expert, it will be a curiosity to you.
              2. +1
                18 July 2018 14: 45
                Damn, well, then it is necessary to investigate the soil in the scaffold of large-scale construction. And according to the results of research, adjust the project ..., Strengthen the soil if necessary, build additional rainwater outlets, measure the size of the facility under construction with the situation ..
                1. 0
                  19 July 2018 01: 30
                  Well, then it is necessary to investigate the soil in the wound of large-scale construction. And according to the results of research, adjust the project ..., Strengthen the soil
                  And it is necessary to investigate, and it is necessary to strengthen ... good laughing
                  In the beginning, I only doubted that you can simulate any situations on a computer, for the simple reason that you can simulate only what you know - but this knowledge is still less than the mysteries of nature. laughing Then specialists in the design, instead of proving the opposite - that you can simulate any situation -
                  considered it their duty to give me a professional profile, although I haven’t asked them yet bully
                  good
                  1. 0
                    19 July 2018 03: 09
                    Quote: flicker
                    Well, then it is necessary to investigate the soil in the wound of large-scale construction. And according to the results of research, adjust the project ..., Strengthen the soil
                    And it is necessary to investigate, and it is necessary to strengthen ... good laughing
                    In the beginning, I only doubted that you can simulate any situations on a computer, for the simple reason that you can simulate only what you know - but this knowledge is still less than the mysteries of nature. laughing Then specialists in the design, instead of proving the opposite - that you can simulate any situation -
                    considered it their duty to give me a professional profile, although I haven’t asked them yet bully
                    good

                    Type in google midas gts nx and go to the MIDAS IT developer website. Wipe your eyes from sofa dust and read what this program can do. About the fact that it is not known which soil to rub is not necessary. The composition and properties of underlying soils are determined at times by drilling engineering and geological wells.
                    Z.Y. A word of honor, it becomes funny when the layman begins to reason on technical topics. He thinks, you see. Where were the design engineers before you? Let’s take care of our engineering and technical education, otherwise we’ll sit dark and design everything using the poke method. And from the literature one reference, edited by Potolkovsky.
                    1. 0
                      19 July 2018 11: 16
                      Dear design engineer, you didn’t try to think before you project your thoughts out loud.
                      I understand where it’s much easier to close with directories, programs and ceiling (take from the ceiling) ...
                      1. 0
                        19 July 2018 12: 15
                        Quote: flicker
                        Dear design engineer, you didn’t try to think before you project your thoughts out loud.
                        I understand where it’s much easier to close with directories, programs and ceiling (take from the ceiling) ...

                        By the nature of my professional activity, I constantly have to think and analyze. I am an educated person. Therefore, it is practically impossible to buy me with beautiful candy wrappers and promises.
                        Well, ignorant people like you are easily led to bread and circuses. Why did I categorize you as an ignoramus? Only an ignorant person will speak with a “smart” look about things in which he does not understand a damn thing.
              3. 0
                18 July 2018 18: 51
                Quote: flicker
                It is difficult to predict how the soil will behave as a result of severe flooding, since the soil can be heterogeneous - which means that unaccounted parameters arise.

                I have no words...... belay request
              4. 0
                18 July 2018 20: 28
                Quote: flicker
                Computers do NOT simulate any situations, but only those situations whose parameters are embedded in the program.

                Fantasy! A project worth several billion people was instructed to do by students of a fence construction college?
            2. SSR
              +4
              18 July 2018 10: 41
              Quote: Random
              We have modern technology and equipment. Computers can calculate all the loads in seconds, simulate any situation.

              And what?!!!
              What, now during the construction in Sochi is constantly being re-laid and counted as the 4th snow load?
              Insulate buildings as for the Far North?
              Then you will be the first to make noise here and say that in Montenegro, the construction of m2 is cheaper !!! wassat
              1. +1
                18 July 2018 10: 59
                Quote from S.S.R.
                Quote: Random
                We have modern technology and equipment. Computers can calculate all the loads in seconds, simulate any situation.

                And what?!!!
                What, now during the construction in Sochi is constantly being re-laid and counted as the 4th snow load?
                Insulate buildings as for the Far North?
                Then you will be the first to make noise here and say that in Montenegro, the construction of m2 is cheaper !!! wassat


                Comrade Random turned up, of course, about computers, but you shouldn’t drag the Far North to Sochi by your ears either. Still, there is such a thing as climate design in the design, and no one will allow designing for Sochi according to the norms for the Extreme Server, in other words, the examination will not pass.
                1. 0
                  18 July 2018 18: 54
                  Quote: Nitochkin
                  Comrade Random bent, of course, about computers,

                  Well, I’m actually an “aviation person”, not a builder, but ..... do you really have a compromise and “computer modeling” based on it belay taking into account all the loads, well, and even more so .. heavy rains? what
                  1. 0
                    19 July 2018 03: 25
                    Quote: Random
                    Quote: Nitochkin
                    Comrade Random bent, of course, about computers,

                    Well, I’m actually an “aviation person”, not a builder, but ..... do you really have a compromise and “computer modeling” based on it belay taking into account all the loads, well, and even more so .. heavy rains? what

                    Do not confuse the builder with the designer.
                    On one sopromat, the light did not converge.
                    Computers and special programs are used, but they do not consider the load. They are used to calculate structures for the effects of loads. And we have not yet invented a single program that would do everything by itself at the click of a button, from the collection of initial data to the finished report. And all this in seconds.
            3. +1
              18 July 2018 14: 26
              I want to tell one story. my friend went as an expert to objects where such flushes occur. In Norilsk asked - who built?
              they answer him - an awesome foreman with extensive experience and 2 higher educations
              clarified the experience - 2 years in the army, 5 years in prison, and 3 years as an employee.
              2 higher educations - vocational schools and prison. And this deer completely destroyed the production plant under construction - it was stupidly pushed out by the earth, along with all the piles.
              And wherever you throw, such foremen work.
              I worked in a construction organization - almost 3 thousand people. Of the 211 management people, only 4 had a building education. Including me, a programmer, and one designer. That's how experts work.
        2. 0
          18 July 2018 10: 57
          So what are the losses, I repeat? Photo what exactly proves.
          What losses have suffered, said the word JUSTIFY.
      3. +1
        18 July 2018 10: 04
        Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
        And what are the main losses?

        Some people like the long way home ..... hi
    2. +10
      18 July 2018 07: 27
      They will whack you and eat you up !! lol
      1. +7
        18 July 2018 07: 39
        I am no less large sofa expert!
        Such a number of foreign visitors increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which at the end of the Olympiad led to the greenhouse effect.
        In Moscow, the heat is expected to be at 30 degrees or more!
        drinks
    3. +6
      18 July 2018 07: 51
      Quote: Titsen
      I, as the largest couch economic analyst, believe that Russia has only lost ....

      Are you one of those who wrote the same thing about the Sochi Olympics? laughing
    4. +9
      18 July 2018 08: 13
      Quote: Titsen
      What will the rest of the sofa community say?

      as a sofa grandfather, I agree, it was possible to use the funds for the benefit more intelligently, for example, in medicine. otherwise, we hold the “mundial”, and rob pensioners. what about the fact that the stadiums were built by residents of districts and outbacks? yes? and yes, someone boiled well, having rented an apartment to the fans for a hundred tyrov ...
    5. +2
      18 July 2018 08: 35
      Quote: Titsen
      I, as the largest couch economic analyst, believe that Russia has only lost ....
      What will the rest of the sofa community say?

      Nada urgently needs to sell Dziuba, Golovin, Fernandez at the price of Salah Extra half a drop is accumulated. And so I'm very angry. lol Instead of an hour, now I get to it 35 minutes before work. As much as 25 minutes of sleep stolen laughing
    6. +2
      18 July 2018 08: 43
      but what specifically has a handkerchief or phone lost? you either justify or don’t write, otherwise the figs will understand what you mean! the fact that stadiums are built and the infrastructure gives huge advantages for citizens! and the fact that a huge number of foreigners spent the money were satisfied and consider the World Cup the best it is worth it + they did not see the country that they described it for this brush, the flow of tourists will obviously increase! Yes, and the team finally began to play, and given that they played in no one with the Croats and lost on a penalty kick, this is already a lot of Rhea and the Croats took 2nd place!
      1. +6
        18 July 2018 10: 00
        Quote: HMR333
        but what specifically has a handkerchief or phone lost? you either justify or don’t write, otherwise the figs will understand what you mean! the fact that stadiums are built and the infrastructure gives huge advantages for citizens! and the fact that a huge number of foreigners spent the money were satisfied and consider the World Cup the best it is worth it + they did not see the country that they described it for this brush, the flow of tourists will obviously increase! Yes, and the team finally began to play, and given that they played in no one with the Croats and lost on a penalty kick, this is already a lot of Rhea and the Croats took 2nd place!

        Eurovision was the best, the Universiade in Kazan was the best, the 2014 Olympics was the best ....
        The flow of tourists increased? Better to think about us? And sanctions are good for us ...
    7. +4
      18 July 2018 09: 03
      The most important thing is that Russia has shown its hospitality and Soul (namely, the Russian Soul - open, hospitable, unpredictable, generous). That is, good-naturedness (kind soul) shows what we really are, and not those that we propagated to the whole world in the media. For many, this is a true discovery and a shift in the brain about what they are told and what they really are, which means they will trust us more and listen to the propaganda of our enemies less, which is good and positive for us and the world as a whole. That is, the world begins to understand who is who and how it really is.
      And finance is finance that contributed to the above and is just one of the tools to achieve it.
      You need to know where to invest to achieve the effect in the future (what you sow, you will reap with interest).
      But this is the restoration in several cities of sports and not only infrastructure (which is good for local residents), the influx of foreigners with currency (which is good for everyone), advertising and worldwide attention to Russia (which in the future for the tourism sector - GOOD), dispelled image and myth of the backwardness and savagery of barbaric, lapatny and drunk Russia (which is very GOOD for the Russian state), people from all over the world can compare different championships and the mentality of people and the country as a whole (which is for them and for us - GOOD) thereby turning to face us and greater favor. And that which I have not described yet is also GOOD for everything that is done with kindness and conscience and for the good is all for the better (for GOOD).
      And those who everywhere are looking for negativity receive it because they cannot live without it and cannot rejoice with everyone because they haven’t gained anything from this event, haven’t snatched it, haven’t raped it, but have envied them inside and criticized soul and life by nature. For such critics, the well-proven phrase “WELL BETTER SPEND ....” works where you definitely don’t miss the correctness of type criticism for a better deed. But for such critics it is addressed - “BETTER SILENCE”.
      1. +2
        18 July 2018 10: 21
        the dispelled image and myth of the backwardness and savagery of barbaric, lapatny and drunk Russia (which is very GOOD for the Russian state),
        Sergey, hi I specifically for the time of the mundial forbade my bear to go in earflaps and drunk on the street and play the balalaika ... wassat But seriously, you haven’t listed everything “well” yet ...
      2. 0
        19 July 2018 05: 16
        Quote: Irokez
        The most important thing is that Russia has shown its hospitality and Soul (namely, the Russian Soul - open, hospitable, unpredictable, generous). That is, good-naturedness (kind soul) shows what we really are, and not those that we propagated to the whole world in the media. For many, this is a true discovery and a shift in the brain about what they are told and what they really are, which means they will trust us more and listen to the propaganda of our enemies less, which is good and positive for us and the world as a whole. That is, the world begins to understand who is who and how it really is.

        One famous man, the son of God, said: "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, so that they do not trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces."
        So, our Soul is a pearl, and the Pigs are the western ones, Souls that do not. Do you expect from them that they will appreciate our Soul?
        1. 0
          20 July 2018 16: 41
          Even pigs have a soul, but it is not developed or sleeps. Therefore, in order for it to develop, it is necessary to wake her up and periodically give her the opportunity to wake up at least for a time when the consciousness can be aware and think of something. You look and the development of the soul begins.
          It doesn’t matter whether they value our soul or not - it is important that they see it and that they can understand something.
    8. +4
      18 July 2018 09: 59
      Quote: Titsen
      I, as the largest couch economic analyst, believe that Russia has only lost ....

      That, I beg you ... Name at least one Russian contractor / supplier working at the World Cup sports and near sports facilities who lost something there. Well, perhaps a conscience. And the names of these contractors are often not native Russian.
    9. 0
      18 July 2018 10: 57
      Repeatedly:
      So what are the losses, I repeat? Photo what exactly proves.
      What losses have suffered, said the word JUSTIFY.
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  4. +5
    18 July 2018 07: 21
    the financial component of the tournament will manifest itself within 3-4 years
    If so, is it worth discussing this today. Though
    Russia has already received a net profit from the tournament in the amount of up to 2,95 billion
    considerable money and have already been received as net profit.
  5. +6
    18 July 2018 07: 24
    Time will tell ... If we talk about the football component, that they say will give an impetus to the development of football in Russia, by the end of the season we will see how many football clubs will not disappear for financial reasons .. Yes, it has nothing to do with the World Cup .. But nevertheless ...
    1. 0
      18 July 2018 08: 49
      Here you need to watch not how many clubs will not disappear, but how many new football sections will be created and how many children will come there. And the result can be judged in 9-10 years.
      1. +2
        18 July 2018 09: 50
        There are enough football sections and schools ... there’s enough ... There is no exhaust ... Germany, when it failed in the world championship .. carried out a reform, the exhaust was four years later ... Tell me, are there many football grounds in the yards ..? I judge them by their town .. And then, they prefer to look for talents for clubs in the provincial towns of Holland, Brazil .. It’s very convenient to live abroad and look for talents for a club there, rather than travel around the provinces of Russia .. You can tell about the result in years 9-10..and the performance of the Krasnodar FC boys in the final of the Youth Champions Cup last year was not the result? They played against the Real Youth, lost on a penalty ... This is how to approach the matter ...
  6. +7
    18 July 2018 07: 26
    The political component was the main one, there was a 100% victory. And as the experience of the last 100 years shows, politics and the economy can’t live without each other. But how fast political dividends will become financial profit, and in general whether our political politicians will realize them, is an open question .
    1. +6
      18 July 2018 08: 17
      Quote: shinobi
      The main was the political component, there is a 100% victory

      think: "peace, friendship, chewing gum"? not ... nothing will change, so where is the “victory”? but there is so much money swelled that it’s unlikely to “beat off”. however, they’ll carefully hide it,
      1. +3
        18 July 2018 09: 11
        Quote: Dead Day
        swelled so much money that "beat off" is unlikely

        You measure life with money.
        Money is measured and measured only by capitalists, skinners, consumers and egoists. They have money in the first place, and everything else is sometimes not even taken into account. Money is a tool, not an achievement (remember).
      2. 0
        18 July 2018 10: 20
        on next day, the president of Croatia said - that it is urgently necessary to stop the sanctions against Russia .... this is so offhand ...
        1. 0
          18 July 2018 11: 35
          To state then she stated, then what? Who will listen to her? Euro solidarity lives and thrives.
          1. 0
            18 July 2018 17: 13
            Quote: vladimirvn
            To state then she stated, then what? Who will listen to her? Euro solidarity lives and thrives.
            -just once there doesn’t smell particularly solidarity
            1. 0
              18 July 2018 17: 27
              It smells, does not smell, but they vote in favor of the sanctions in solidarity.
  7. +6
    18 July 2018 07: 26
    It is necessary to calculate how many tourists visited the cities participating in the World Cup and multiply by some average amount that the tourists spent. Let it be 30-50 dollars a day. Suppose it’s 2 million tourists a month, it will turn out about $ 2 billion. We now have the most pre-superstatistics, we can’t figure out such garbage.
    1. +2
      18 July 2018 09: 17
      Our statistics are only able to count older people. laughing
  8. +5
    18 July 2018 07: 26
    Well, yes, with half-empty stands, and tickets, for the price of a flight to Mars !!! am In vain they spent the loot !!!!
    1. +2
      18 July 2018 12: 07
      Quote: ANCIENT
      with half empty stands,

      wassat wassat wassat Why, half empty ... Empty ... Uninhabited, lobby ... laughing It was a matter - one organism estimated the attendance of one Zenit match in approximately the same way - they say there were no people (about 50000), the game was boring (5: 1 with a cattle base), etc. In short, after all the debate it turned out: the people just stupidly did not get to this match and decided to reassure themselves in this way, along the way, “blowing into the ears” of others. laughing
  9. +18
    18 July 2018 07: 27
    In dollars, the total cost of preparing for a tournament in Russia is estimated at $ 13,2 billion (at the average exchange rate for 2013-2017). He became the most expensive soccer world cup.
    Moscow earned 13 billion rubles (half the cost of the Luzhniki stadium). The income of other cities is lower than the income of Moscow by default. So payback - not her!
    Beer sellers paid off - a bank for 200 rubles.
    Now the stadiums will be transferred to local budgets - here you have health care and schools!
    1. +7
      18 July 2018 07: 38
      Of course, with this money, it was necessary to build 100500 schools and get two teachers per school. But Russia is the first in the number of schools in the world.
      Also with hospitals.
      Or raise the salaries of teachers and doctors up to 1000000 rubles per month, this will make education and medicine better.
      1. +5
        18 July 2018 08: 43
        Quote: TarasVE
        Of course, with this money, it was necessary to build 100500 schools and get two teachers per school. But Russia is the first in the number of schools in the world.

        For example, as a resident of St. Petersburg, I would prefer that instead of this stadium for $ 1 billion, they would build additional metro stations in sleeping areas, for example in the south-west of the city, or put in order roads - KAD, Oktyabrskaya embankment, Peterhof highway, would make free travel on WHSD, etc. But this football was not given to me for nothing, all the same, some foreigners play, there is no one to root for
      2. 0
        18 July 2018 11: 06
        Quote: TarasVE
        Or raise the salaries of teachers and doctors up to 1000000 rubles per month, this will make education and medicine better.

        but you can’t argue with that! It will be better. A shortage of doctors of 800-1000 people in any region of the Russian Federation will not- is it bad? Or is it turn-evidence of well-being? So it's in the store, but not in the hospital
    2. avt
      +8
      18 July 2018 07: 52
      Quote: Silvestr
      In dollars, the total cost of preparing for a tournament in Russia is estimated at $ 13,2 billion (at the average exchange rate for 2013-2017)

      Give a lay-out of financing for infrastructure and separate stadiums, then we'll talk about profits and losses.
      Quote: Silvestr
      So payback - not her!

      And the same Rostov airport is already being dismantled, along with the road. wassat
      1. +6
        18 July 2018 08: 07
        Quote: avt
        And the same Rostov airport is already being dismantled, along with the road.

        Shark - not a single World Cup paid off completely, anywhere. As I wrote above, Germany spent 6 billion on it, and even there it did not pay off.
      2. +5
        18 July 2018 08: 25
        Quote: avt
        Give a lay-out of financing for infrastructure and stadiums separately, then we'll talk for profits and losses

        This is Sylvester, he gives nothing. Everything is always clear to him.
        1. +5
          18 July 2018 10: 08
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          This is Sylvester, he gives nothing. Everything is always clear to him.

          And this is Romanov, he also does not give anything, but he always objects and always defends everything that the current repainted communists are doing.
        2. +1
          18 July 2018 11: 07
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          This is Sylvester, he gives nothing.

          i give people life
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Everything is always clear to him.

          this work
    3. +5
      18 July 2018 08: 03
      In dollars, the total cost of preparing for a tournament in Russia is estimated at $ 13,2 billion (at the average exchange rate for 2013-2017). He became the most expensive soccer world cup.

      Buried folk money in the ground. negative
      1. +7
        18 July 2018 09: 20
        Quote: populist
        Buried folk money in the ground

        Everything was lost, denyushki was buried, the airport was being dismantled, sidewalks werehes away ground dips everywhere ... Isn't it time to get out of Raska? I recommend Japan, more than 200 people died from the rain there.
    4. +5
      18 July 2018 08: 41
      Yeah, yeah ... Someone considered the revenue from advertising and broadcasts? But the money of "beer sellers" didn’t remain in Russia? And how many issues were resolved in the framework of "football diplomacy" on the VIP platform? There, only for the sake of this it was possible to “cook porridge”, not to mention raising the rating of the Russian Federation in the world and the destruction of many stereotypes.
      And you, sorry, think too straightforwardly.
  10. +7
    18 July 2018 07: 30
    Quote: Silvestr
    Beer sellers paid off - a bank for 200 rubles.

    -----------------------
    A can of beer at the price of vodka. It’s scary to think how much vodka was. laughing
    1. +1
      18 July 2018 08: 03
      You have very cheap vodka. Or not very serious requirements for her hi
      It’s been a long time since vodka cheaper than 500 r can’t stand the taste, as it turned out, vodka is also different! drinks
      1. +2
        18 July 2018 08: 31
        Maybe it’s from that tasty that for 500r and above? laughing
        I'm without collision if that hi
        I myself am a supporter of my product good
        1. 0
          18 July 2018 09: 29
          Quote: Hagalaz
          Maybe it’s from that tasty that for 500r and above?

          I had a chance to drink plain wheat vodka. Not by name, but by production. That “Stolichnaya” didn’t have to have a bite, I didn’t want to interrupt the taste of vodka, just an orange peel. The price and the manufacturer matter. Sam is also a good product.
          1. +1
            18 July 2018 12: 03
            laughing Maybe. It’s not grateful to argue here. In any case, I do not have the opportunity to pay 500r for 0.5.
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            ... I didn’t have to have a bite, I didn’t want to interrupt the taste of vodka, just an orange peel.

            And here you are right about my sam put it feel laughing
  11. +11
    18 July 2018 07: 36
    Personally, I caught the buzz from the championship, the rest is not important when watching TV from Tashkent. By the way, Uzbekistan for the first time officially purchased the broadcasting rights, earlier satellites from different countries, glued the logo of their channel and alga. Now Uzreport commented in Russian, and Uzfutbol in Uzbek .
    1. +7
      18 July 2018 08: 19
      Quote: andrewkor
      Personally, I caught the buzz from the championship, the rest is not important

      "bread and circuses" - always works on some.
      1. 0
        18 July 2018 10: 24
        Quote: Dead Day
        "bread and circuses" - always works on some.
        - the answer is simple and it MONEY to the budget of the Russian Federation
        Quote: andrewkor
        By the way, Uzbekistan is the first time officially purchased broadcast rights, previously satellites from different countries were catching, they glued the logo of their channel and alga.
  12. +1
    18 July 2018 08: 06
    I like when foreign cantors argue about Russia's income without data))) and about 4 years, what are 4 years of Carl? Profit is considered upon completion! and then what will happen next is already bonuses from ...
  13. +6
    18 July 2018 08: 16
    Much has been put in order. Roads, stations and airports. Already a plus. Let this not be earnings. For a month, the country lived in sports and emotions. Another plus. Foreigners saw the real Russia and still come here. Another plus. A friend has a hostel in Moscow. He earned a decent guest. But as an avid fan I spent everything on tickets and trips around Russia because it was unrealistic to get to the Moscow matches)).
    For some time the team pleased, it already costs more than $ 14 billion))!
    1. +3
      18 July 2018 09: 08
      Quote: Moskovit
      Much has been put in order. Roads, stations and airports.

      in cities where foreigners were received
      Quote: Moskovit
      For a month, the country lived in sports and emotions.

      not a country but only football fans
      Quote: Moskovit
      Foreigners saw the real Russia and still come here. Another plus. A friend has a hostel in Moscow. He earned a decent guest.
      happy for a friend ... not enough for all hostels
      Quote: Moskovit
      For some time the team pleased

      what a quarter flew out? aha ...
      1. +5
        18 July 2018 09: 49
        Guided by this logic, negative can be found in any event or phenomenon, even in one where the obvious advantages of the powerful and rapid development of the regions are visible to the naked eye. Another thing is why.
        The logic is wonderful: from all the inhabitants of Russia, subtract the owners of bars, hotels, football fans, those who work in the services and tourism sectors, transport companies, just residents of cities where there were games (at least as a reason to put in order the city the uniform was used) and say: here for the rest - no good. You subtracted half the country, offhand.
        God is with them, with the number, but those whom he listed - are they not people? are not citizens of the Russian Federation? give an example over the past 10 years of the event where a comparable number of people have benefited - they will all be connected with sports.
        But why turn on your head and think about it? - it is better to put them all out of the brackets, and grumble about how bad everyone else is about football indifferent. Firstly, it’s not bad, but neutral, and secondly, what was not possible (and never succeeds) to do well for everyone is not a reason not to do good to anyone.
        With this logic: "But let's not do anything at all, and in the village we will only feed our own cow." Why do we want something and get out somewhere.
      2. +1
        18 July 2018 10: 25
        Quote: Dead Day
        what a quarter flew out? aha ...
        - I’m embarrassed to recall that CHAMPIONS flew out EARLIER!!!!!!
      3. 0
        18 July 2018 10: 41
        Grandfather, how old are you? They wrote that it’s old, so maybe you should think about your soul? You already get your pension, so what about future pensioners, is that all? Doesn’t sit on the stove exactly?)))))
      4. 0
        18 July 2018 13: 10
        As I understand it, you were rooting for Spain, so you have such sadness. The whole country lived in football, all people, even women)).
    2. +3
      18 July 2018 09: 18
      I completely agree. Skinners see only money (their nose), and the rest are not of interest to them.
    3. 0
      19 July 2018 05: 02
      Quote: Moskovit
      Much has been put in order. Roads, stations and airports. Already a plus. Let this not be earnings. For a month, the country lived in sports and emotions. Another plus. Foreigners saw the real Russia and still come here. Another plus. A friend has a hostel in Moscow. He earned a decent guest. But as an avid fan I spent everything on tickets and trips around Russia because it was unrealistic to get to the Moscow matches)).
      For some time the team pleased, it already costs more than $ 14 billion))!

      Under this "sport" and emotions will be you, avid fans, and an increase in retirement age and an increase in VAT by 2%.
      Z.Y. Does a friend pay all taxes honestly?
      1. +1
        19 July 2018 09: 18
        Our people love to mix everything into one vinaigrette, and then moan like everything is bad. We held the mundial perfectly, and were able to earn money, and the country was not shamed, and the regions developed and performed with dignity.
        Pensions are a complicated topic. Reforms, of course, have matured, but what is proposed is not the best option either in essence or in media coverage of this essence. But this has nothing to do with football and we don’t have to interfere with everything in one dish. The same goes for VAT.
        Here the wise men already wrote above: "it would be better if instead of football this money was sent to retire." Already wrote about it. What can I say? - with those who seriously think so, it makes no sense at all to discuss the topics of state-building - they are beyond their own problems and Wishlist see nothing. Here they will personally raise a pension, and it is best to immediately appoint this pension after graduation, they will be exempted from VAT and they will be happy. The ultimate dream, but utopia.
        I repeat: there are problems in both areas, but these problems relate to football very, very indirectly; not seeing the difference between them is shortsightedness.
        1. 0
          19 July 2018 10: 12
          Quote: Faceless

          Pensions are a complicated topic. Reforms, of course, have matured, but what is proposed is not the best option either in essence or in media coverage of this essence. But this has nothing to do with football and we don’t have to interfere with everything in one dish. The same goes for VAT.

          Maturity, then, pension reform and VAT? And what is offered is not the best option? Therefore, you have a vision of a better option. I ask for details.
          Z.Y. And about the connection of the mundial and the reforms of pension and VAT. Heard such an expression - sweeten the pill?
          1. 0
            19 July 2018 10: 41
            Sweetening the pill is politics. In this case, this aspect was implemented most competently. Economically, the mundial and pension reforms and VAT are not connected. Simply put, there would be no mundial - pensions would not have been raised anyway (as an example, one of the aspects)
            Yes, I have my own pension reform project. I will say more - he is ready and in line for publication in the format of a series of scientific articles and something else. I won’t rewrite it here - then, based on the results of the anti-plagiarism check, I myself will justify myself for my self-citation.
            Key points: raising the retirement age is a necessity; an open program to raise the age of 10 years in advance is a mistake, the fate of the mechanism is unclear: I voluntarily retire later - I get much more - a mistake (this mechanism had to be left). The existing procedure for using the funds transferred to the Pension Fund is archaic - it does not realize the full profitability potential of these funds. The minimum difference in pensions for those for whom the employer paid contributions and those for whom they did not pay is a mistake. Pensions should be retained for all citizens of the Russian Federation (unless they themselves refuse). some specific mechanisms for the formation of the final size of pensions.
            1. 0
              19 July 2018 12: 26
              Quote: Faceless
              Sweetening the pill is politics. In this case, this aspect was implemented most competently. Economically, the mundial and pension reforms and VAT are not connected. Simply put, there would be no mundial - pensions would not have been raised anyway (as an example, one of the aspects)
              Yes, I have my own pension reform project. I will say more - he is ready and in line for publication in the format of a series of scientific articles and something else. I won’t rewrite it here - then, based on the results of the anti-plagiarism check, I myself will justify myself for my self-citation.
              Key points: raising the retirement age is a necessity; an open program to raise the age of 10 years in advance is a mistake, the fate of the mechanism is unclear: I voluntarily retire later - I get much more - a mistake (this mechanism had to be left). The existing procedure for using the funds transferred to the Pension Fund is archaic - it does not realize the full profitability potential of these funds. The minimum difference in pensions for those for whom the employer paid contributions and those for whom they did not pay is a mistake. Pensions should be retained for all citizens of the Russian Federation (unless they themselves refuse). some specific mechanisms for the formation of the final size of pensions.

              There is no direct connection. But the money tucked into the World Cup is not even very small, and a prudent owner would find a better use for them than throwing a feast during the plague. And maybe it would be more reasonable, for example, to direct to the development of the economy? Although what am I talking about, where (or rather, who) is our government and where is the developed economy?
              They start dancing from the stove, so, for starters, justify the need to raise the retirement age.
              1. 0
                19 July 2018 13: 43
                Better application than the development of regions, strengthening the image of the world and debunking myths and enemy propaganda (for more details, see above)? “Well then, look.” Then someone moaned above that the new typhoon had washed out the tiles. There would be no World Cup - there would be no tiles and stadiums. would be wasteland, as before. A zealous owner always knows how to make money wisely on a visit: to come and visit him again) Strategically need to think. Well, when you are building a house, you start with the foundation, and you do not arrange beautiful furniture in the middle of the field. Here is the same thing.
                Look at the statistics on life expectancy growth, on the number of workers per pensioner, on the amount of money allocated to the FIU, due to a shortage, and look at Greece - a good example of what happens when life expectancy grows and we don’t want to raise the retirement age. Let's leave it as it is. How many pensioners will be per worker: 2 per one or more? Even if we find money for everyone, this situation is strategically wrong and even doctrinally wrong. If the state has more citizens in support than at work, then collapse can not wait for it only in one scenario: if in general citizens in the state are a minority of the population. Example: UAE. About 30% of citizens are there. The remaining 70% are residents who work for the good of 30%. Offhand I do not remember how many citizens in the Russian Federation of the population, but not less than 70%. The choice is simple: either raise the retirement age or accept several tens of millions of labor migrants, moreover, a significant part of them must be qualified specialists, and not "a counselor - I can do everything, for now, how I can do everything - I can." There are, of course, other options. Fight not for life expectancy, but vice versa, for example (as extreme radicalism). Then the retirement age does not need to be raised)
                1. 0
                  19 July 2018 17: 13
                  Quote: Faceless
                  Better application than the development of regions, strengthening the image of the world and debunking myths and enemy propaganda (for more details, see above)? “Well then, look.” Then someone moaned above that the new typhoon had washed out the tiles. There would be no World Cup - there would be no tiles and stadiums. would be wasteland, as before. A zealous owner always knows how to make money wisely on a visit: to come and visit him again) Strategically need to think. Well, when you are building a house, you start with the foundation, and you do not arrange beautiful furniture in the middle of the field. Here is the same thing.

                  What is the development of the regions expressed in?
                  Has the image grown strongly after the Sochi Olympics?
                  Debunked the myth for how long? Enough for a long time?
                  Who needs these particular stadiums?
                  Have you earned a lot? And most importantly, who earned it?
                  I do not see any analogy of the World Cup with the foundation. With outwardly beautiful furniture made of chipboard, which in a couple of years will begin to fall apart, I see. Which of the World Cup foundation, what foundation?
                  Quote: Faceless
                  View life expectancy statistics, by the number of workers per pensioner, by the amount of money allocated to the FIU, due to a shortage, and look at Greece - a good example of what happens when life expectancy increases, but we don’t want to raise the retirement age. Let's leave it as it is. How many pensioners will be per worker: 2 per one or more? Even if we find money for everyone, this situation is strategically wrong and even doctrinally wrong. If the state has more citizens in support than at work, then collapse can not wait for it only in one scenario: if in general citizens in the state are a minority of the population. Example: UAE. About 30% of citizens are there. The remaining 70% are residents who work for the good of 30%. Offhand I do not remember how many citizens in the Russian Federation of the population, but not less than 70%. The choice is simple: either raise the retirement age or accept several tens of millions of labor migrants, moreover, a significant part of them should be qualified specialists, and not "a counselor - I can do everything, for now, how I can do everything - I can." There are, of course, other options. Fight not for life expectancy, but vice versa, for example (as extreme radicalism). Then the retirement age does not need to be raised)

                  After reading the selected phrase, I am closing the discussion with you on pension reform. I recalled Skvortsova and her 120 years. Are you not her deputy by chance?
                  1. 0
                    19 July 2018 17: 31
                    You’ll already decide whether you are our consistent, you close the discussion with me, or ask questions. I, by a sinful affair, suggested that it is really interesting for you, and not like that, to scratch your tongue, to see how your opponent gets out.
                    However, I am not obliged to answer questions anyway, and after such passages I will not. I will confine myself to a recommendation: would you study in law or economics, or seek appropriate advice - there will be less tea and questions.
                    With a place of work - also did not guess. However, the correct answer was not expected from you.
                    With best wishes. hi
  14. +3
    18 July 2018 08: 17
    Quote: d1m1drol
    It’s been a long time since vodka cheaper than 500 rub I can’t stand the taste

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    The cost of a liter of alcohol is 30 rubles.
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    2. -1
      18 July 2018 09: 06
      In fact, they say that in the manufacture of plastics alcohol is obtained as a "by-product" and is subject to "disposal" ....
    3. +3
      18 July 2018 09: 30
      Quote: Altona
      The cost of a liter of alcohol is 30 rubles.

      I tried to calculate my moonshine high-octane double distillation of at least 35 turns out plus the time for its production. )))
      1. 0
        20 July 2018 09: 55
        Slightly mistaken - 35 is 0,5 vodka.
  15. +3
    18 July 2018 08: 23
    Of course I just won! And let the aching cry further.
  16. vit
    +7
    18 July 2018 08: 32
    "bread and circuses" - always works on some.

    And for some, it only works "to poke and count money in someone else's pocket." Not a special football fan, but he was happy to cheer for ours! The holiday was a 100% success.
    1. 0
      19 July 2018 05: 06
      Quote: Vit
      "bread and circuses" - always works on some.

      And for some, it only works "to poke and count money in someone else's pocket." Not a special football fan, but he was happy to cheer for ours! The holiday was a 100% success.

      - Wait a minute! At whose expense is this banquet? Who will pay? ("Ivan Vasilievich Changes the Profession").
  17. +4
    18 July 2018 08: 42
    The Russian Federation has already received a net profit from the tournament in the amount of up to 2,95 billion dollars
  18. +5
    18 July 2018 08: 46
    In general, we only lost on the latest projects. Of course, you will beat off something, but these are really image projects, therefore, by definition, you will not get profit on them. Take, for example, the city where I lived for a long time - Volgograd, the city FC barely breathes, there are just a bunch of problems in the city, now an object has fallen on the city balance, which will annually pull a budget comparable to 2 CBs, as we believe, residents needed this ? are they happy about this? So even though the mother sawed there do not worry. Similarly, in many other cities. As many people correctly notice, this World Cup is a feast during the plague and resembles the setting of the Navajama for the emperor and his retinue.
  19. +4
    18 July 2018 08: 48
    It seems that the privatization of revenues and the nationalization of expenses have already become a government strategy. All the profits went to private owners and FIFA ... and to us .... a hangover at someone else's feast ...
    1. +1
      18 July 2018 09: 48
      And someone earned on rates.
      1. 0
        18 July 2018 11: 13
        I know only one person ... who earned money at the World Cup ... This is a woman ... she let two Brazilians with a full pension retire ...
  20. +5
    18 July 2018 09: 06
    Negative comments are the fate of unhappy people ... Happy see positive smile
    1. +7
      18 July 2018 09: 39
      Mentally healthy people in the fire of Rome saw grief, the sick - inspiration and wrote poetry.
      1. +1
        18 July 2018 11: 51
        It turns out that for you the world sporting event is a fire, grief.
        1. +3
          18 July 2018 12: 50
          I’m happy for the whole world, but I live here. And by type of activity, I often encounter providing people with essential drugs, therapy, for example, providing chemotherapy drugs for cancer patients in the same suburbs, believe me, the situation is very gloomy. This is an example, and I see that these billion dollars could be used for more important goals than kicking a ball. Therefore: a lot of knowledge - a lot of sadness :))
          1. 0
            18 July 2018 15: 55
            That's for sure ... Sometimes a drug was waiting for a month ... But he was at the pharmacy ... There was no money ..
          2. +1
            18 July 2018 16: 33
            For this, there is the word "budget" which spells out what and where. There are obligations to the world community to host the championship. Everything is financed from various baskets, including for patients and other areas of life. In your case, it is not clear that either underfunding or something is wrong on the ground or some other opportunity.
            On these issues, write to higher authorities, but do not complain here that something is missing. It’s possible to say in another way: “Why do sports develop in the country when there are many sick people who need treatment and medications” or “In Africa there are a lot of hungry people so let's give them everything instead of developing sport”, or even “We have a lot of homeless people and it would be better for them to build houses than sports to develop their own and even world’s. "
            It is a problem (no one argues) and it must be solved, but cannot be solved with money alone - the problem is solved comprehensively and by all parties, even the patients themselves. Better you tell the situation of officials from medicine and pharmacists.
            1. +1
              18 July 2018 17: 18
              Africa does not interest me, there is a state and there are its citizens and the duty to protect health before them is a priori higher than the debt to the obligation to build a platform for kicking the ball in front of fifa. And besides medicine, we have another national misfortune - science. And its funding cut from year to year
              "Better you tell the situation officials from medicine and pharmacists"well, you are a fat troll laughing You understand what you said?
              And in fact, go and explain to the cancer patient, without therapy and a quota, and his family that his life is nothing before the country's debt to Fifa.
              1. +1
                18 July 2018 20: 38
                It’s a pity that you are not in government. Everything would be OK in the country, but the dissatisfied would not decrease from this. I still don’t understand why such quick-witted and correct conversations only here lead from a healthy sport to patients throwing problems.
                Unfortunately, a person’s disease is primarily his fault, not the state’s, but again the state is to blame for everything, not the patient himself.
                1. +1
                  18 July 2018 22: 35
                  "unfortunately a person’s disease is primarily his fault", and what is the fault of the 2-year-old child with bone sarcoma ?! I don’t want to continue the argument after these words, it’s sickening ...
                  1. +1
                    19 July 2018 08: 56
                    Any disease has a cause. First, determine it, and then you will see what makes you sick.
                  2. +1
                    19 July 2018 17: 41
                    Of course, a child’s illness is a tragedy. God forbid anyone like that. But to say that the state is to blame for the disease ...
                    I completely agree with the statement that the disease is, as a general rule, and primarily the patient’s fault. Yes, there are exceptions, as in the case of congenital diseases (I leave the question of potential guilt of the parents outside the brackets), or mutilations acquired in the civil service. But exceptions only confirm the rule.
                    And before you indiscriminately blame the medicine with us, ask where else is there at least some kind of free medicine. 80% of countries live by the principle there is money - you live, there is no money - you die. Natural selection, in the framework of the concept of the golden billion. I do not condone it - I give a voice. And nobody there even bothers with funds, quotas, recipes ...
                    We have a problem. A lot of them. Including in medicine. But we do not value what we have. But in vain.
                    1. 0
                      19 July 2018 20: 23
                      Quote: Faceless
                      Of course, a child’s illness is a tragedy. God forbid anyone like that. But to say that the state is to blame for the disease ...
                      I completely agree with the statement that the disease is, as a general rule, and primarily the patient’s fault. Yes, there are exceptions, as in the case of congenital diseases (I leave the question of potential guilt of the parents outside the brackets), or mutilations acquired in the civil service. But exceptions only confirm the rule.
                      And before you indiscriminately blame the medicine with us, ask where else is there at least some kind of free medicine. 80% of countries live by the principle there is money - you live, there is no money - you die. Natural selection, in the framework of the concept of the golden billion. I do not condone it - I give a voice. And nobody there even bothers with funds, quotas, recipes ...
                      We have a problem. A lot of them. Including in medicine. But we do not value what we have. But in vain.

                      Oh how, not only are you special in pensions, you are still in dock medicine. It seems to me that you are a troll on the state. content.
                      Are you treating free medicine? Have you been using free medicine for a long time, are you satisfied with its quality? I foresee the answer that you have a doctorate on this topic and every day you use our most magnificent free medicine. For statistics, do not forget to mention.
                      1. 0
                        20 July 2018 05: 57
                        Eh, Nitochkin-Nitochkin, to learn your manners) hi
              2. 0
                19 July 2018 17: 45
                Quote: Nix1986
                You understand what you said?

                I’m afraid that you didn’t understand it, neither what you said, nor what was written.
                I explain. And it never occurred to you in how many countries is any free medicine as a class absent? - and no problems: no quotas, no therapy, no funds.
                Ask this question at your leisure, before using derogatory expressions, to people who, even judging by the written comments, understand the problem much better than yours.
    2. +2
      18 July 2018 09: 50
      There is a whole layer of people who see only the bad in any event. Well this is their choice. And the championship was wonderful. More to such joyful and colorful events.
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        1. 0
          19 July 2018 17: 35
          Apparently, by the logic you named, you meant your own. Then - I agree completely.
          1. 0
            19 July 2018 20: 26
            Quote: Faceless
            Apparently, by the logic you named, you meant your own. Then - I agree completely.

            No, this is just your logic, those who approve of the World Cup. Not only did you drink the money, but also look for reasons to make excuses.
            1. 0
              20 July 2018 06: 10
              Well, you're all about drinking. The proverb is recalled, narrating in a rhyme about who has something that hurts.

              Calling offhand half the country, or maybe even more, who drank money - a strong, wise, fair, and, most importantly - a sober statement.
              After this, I can only incline my little head to the mortal authority before universal authority, and not dare to enter into bickering with him - not by rank, tea hi
  21. +2
    18 July 2018 09: 49
    Yes, it will be difficult to calculate such a large-scale event, but something tells us that the score is 1-0 in our favor and this is already a plus for the Russian Federation, albeit small ..... drinks
  22. 0
    18 July 2018 10: 32
    Quote: professor
    Quote: Nasr
    Drainage systems? Yes, in those places where the stadiums were, there were vacant lots and landfills, at best dull administrative buildings ... what kind of drainage systems are there? there was dirt up to his ears ... and now people feel like people!

    The real exam is this time. Let's see how these objects will look in 4-5 years. Something tells me that most stadiums will never be full again. The stadiums themselves will hang on the neck of local budgets in the form of an overwhelming burden and will always appear in the article “Losses”.

    What difference does it make to you? Bask under your Mediterranean or Dead Sea sun and rejoice
  23. +1
    18 July 2018 10: 36
    Quote: Random
    Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
    And what are the main losses?


    This is Samara crying


    This is Volgograd: crying

    This is the Lower .... crying

    Well and so on ..... in short - The carriage turns into a pumpkin crying
    Photo from - https://varlamov.ru good

    Here’s the joy that the “all-crawler” oh howl to the blue! And the main Varlamov sang them, this comrade will always find shit in the Sahara desert and on the moon ... adult men damn it, but you’ll whine like a word, or even warnings a lot ... not ashamed to whine it?
  24. 0
    18 July 2018 10: 43
    Quote: ANCIENT
    Well, yes, with half-empty stands, and tickets, for the price of a flight to Mars !!! am In vain they spent the loot !!!!

    Where did you see the half-empty stands? Only in one match ... everything else was crammed! The German offered me a euro for my ticket for the ticket! And there were such people who wanted to ... enough to carry nonsense, delirium, shed tears of crocodiles!
    1. 0
      18 July 2018 15: 57
      In vain ... One could look at the box for each euro ...
  25. +1
    18 July 2018 10: 47
    Dear forum users, here I am for a long time a reader of our site with you, and the same people are practically in the category that everything is bad, everything is wrong, chernukha and gloom, while practically nothing is offered ....
    You know, it seems that in ordinary life, not on the couch and on the forum of our site, terrible nerds with problems of perception of the world, problems with digestion and personal life))) The 2018 World Cup very coolly highlighted such all-around fans .... well, Now throw stones, call names, read, God forbid ...
    I have to say right away, I'm not an 18 year old youth in pink or blue glasses)))
  26. +2
    18 July 2018 11: 06
    Actually the question is how to count.

    Here we take our spending. On the one hand, they are large - more than 13 billion dollars.
    But if you look a little differently, you get a completely different picture.
    To begin with, half of this amount is invested in infrastructure: roads, airports, healthcare, etc. Those. what would have to be done without the World Cup, but when it would have been done without the World Cup is a big question. From any point of view - this is a big plus.
    Now take the stadiums. The total cost of preparing stadiums is approximately 230 billion rubles.
    Only half of them were built specifically for the World Cup - the rest are club projects. Therefore, the cost of newly built stadiums is about 120 billion rubles.
    The rest is the construction of stadiums by clubs. Moreover, 45 billion of them are the construction of the ill-fated stadium in St. Petersburg.
    In general, of the stadiums, the greatest questions arise in Saransk, where football has always been bad.

    Those. if you count in this vein, it turns out that out of 678 billion, about 300 billion rubles were spent directly on the World Cup, and 200 of them are actually stadiums. At the same time, about 60 billion rubles are the stadiums of Spartak and Zenit, which would have been built without the World Cup. Total direct costs - approximately 240 billion rubles.

    In the same way, with respect to incomes, not everything is so simple.
  27. 0
    18 July 2018 11: 09
    I agree with the German economists - time must pass, it will be seen there. Although the image component is impossible to calculate accurately. Well, it’s clear to everyone that at the moment, economically in a deep minus, one tenth perhaps, or taking into account theft, even the fifteenth paid off only ...
  28. +1
    18 July 2018 11: 52
    Today, not even the most senior official will be able to calculate the real costs of the 2018 World Cup 14, which was first held in Russia from June 15 to July 10 .... Talking about payback is ridiculous ..., at most XNUMX% of expenses.
  29. 0
    18 July 2018 12: 04
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    This is the Lower .... crying

    Well and so on ..... in short - The carriage turns into a pumpkin crying

    Here is the joy that the "all-crawler" oh howl to the blue!


    A young man, this is not the joy of all-mutters, but rather the joy of the authorities, that as a result of their "overwork" there appeared such Andrei, washing the remnants of the brains of the electorate.
    1. 0
      18 July 2018 13: 37
      It's nice to hear the appeal "young man")))))
  30. 0
    18 July 2018 13: 20
    The tournament .... opened its eyes to Russia ...
    Will return to their home - eyes will be closed. Yes
  31. 0
    18 July 2018 15: 39
    Quote: Nasr
    We were planning to capitalize the Myzinsky bridge since December 2017, the deadlines have moved .. then it “cracked” ...

    ...


    From you are an expert! This is not a crack, this is a deformation seam. Although judging by his condition, something was wrong with him.
  32. +2
    18 July 2018 16: 18
    The author is unknown, the leitmotif is the opposite - to hell with us this championship, when there is not enough money.
    And the author does not give a damn about the modern geopolitical interpretation of “Kuzkin’s mother”, the ability to show and “feel” personally that Russia is not bears and felt boots, thereby adding a “fly in the ointment” into Western myths about Russia. The worst enemy, the enemy within yourself!
  33. +1
    18 July 2018 18: 41
    Quote: populist
    Buried folk money in the ground.

    Of course, it would be better offshore.
  34. 0
    19 July 2018 02: 30
    in the next 15 years, we don’t need such large-scale construction projects as Sochi and the World Cup;
    than similar expenses
  35. +1
    20 July 2018 01: 59
    Nitochkin,
    By the nature of my professional activity, I constantly have to think and analyze. I am an educated person.
    Your "education" smiled, thanks. In your professional activity you constantly have to “think and analyze” - it’s interesting, do you think at first, and then analyze or vice versa?

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