100 years since the execution of the royal family. The scandal on the web with a caricature of Nicholas II

Today in the Sverdlovsk region a procession is taking place dedicated to the 100 anniversary of the execution of the family of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II and members of his family. Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, who led the 100-thousandth march to the place of the first burial of the remains of the royal family Ganina Yama, takes part in the events. In total, participants in the procession crossed 22 km from the Temple on the Blood. It should be noted that at one time the members of the royal family and the emperor himself were canonized as holy martyrs, for which the debate continues today.

Recall that the other day the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation published the results of a study of the remains, which confirmed that these remains really belong to Nicholas II Romanov, his wife and children.

Meanwhile, the scandal around Facebook post made by one of the editors of the First Channel Timofey Ermakov is gaining momentum on the Web. He recorded “Glory to Petr Voikov!” And attached a cartoon image to her from the same series, which is usually used by the French scandalous magazine “Charlie Hebdo”. The caricature picture shows the half-sitting-reclining image of Nicholas II with a bullet hole in the head. In the picture - the inscription: "Do not forget to congratulate the monarchists on the holiday." This publication divided the public into two camps, which came together in a virtual "civil". Apparently, there are people who are particularly pleased to arrange provocations around the figures of the national storieswhose contribution to it is considered ambiguous.

Link to publication Ридус.

Recall that the execution of the royal family was committed on the night of 17 July 1918, in the basement of the Ipatievs house in Yekaterinburg. Together with Nicholas II and his relatives in the Ipatiev House, representatives of the “court” were shot - Dr. YS Botkin, cook I. Kharitonov, valet by the name of the Troupe and a representative of the servant A. S. Demidova. Modern historians continue to argue about whether there was a special “Moscow” sanction to shoot all these people without a trial.

Comments

[Titsen]

Rastrel is cruel.

But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

[oleg-gr]

How the attitude towards the royal family has changed. From Nikolai "Bloody" to "Holy." Another extreme in the style of Russian traditions.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: oleg-gr

How the attitude towards the royal family has changed. From Nikolai "Bloody" to "Holy."

History puts everything in its place

[Basil50]

In the article about the shooting of the king and his relatives without trial. And what was the court when they shot * bloody Sunday *? Was there a court when workers were shot at Lena mines? Or were there courts when they shot and hung on Krasnaya Presnya? Or when they shot and hung peasants suspected of disobedience?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vasily50

And what was the court when they shot * bloody Sunday *?

So who started the first to shoot, their own, as it was already in Latvia, in Ukraine. Nothing new, under the moon.
And you, for one and hundreds of terrorist acts, committed by the Bolsheviks and how many people died in them. You are not up to the elbow, you are up to their ears in blood.

[Logall]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

You are not up to the elbow, you are head over heels in the blood.

Namesake, , I'm sorry to interfere, but Nikolai "Khodynsky" in the blood is no less ... Remember, at least, for what he was called "Khodynsky" ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Logall

Recall, at least, for which he was nicknamed Khodynsky ...

I do not lay out the exploits of the Bolsheviks; for many, vomiting will begin from their "exploits."
And about no less, let's add the numbers.

[Logall]

Well then, remember the "small" victorious "war" with Japan that Nikolay unleashed in order to please the people ...
I immediately wanted to sing a song:
"Up, comrades, everything is in place!
The last parade is coming!
Our proud Varyag is not surrendering to the enemy,
No one wants mercy! ... "
And do not forget that Nikolai himself created all the prerequisites, and the Bolsheviks only took advantage of the situation ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Logall

And do not forget that Nikolai himself created all the prerequisites, and the Bolsheviks only took advantage of the situation ..

This is from the series, as I want the story, and spin.

[Logall]

Well then imagine those events in your light. Since I read about the Russian-Japanese war in just such ... And not only ... The weak king is a weak State, but we still had to fight in the Second World War two decades later ... And under Nikolai ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

В1915 — 1916 trash and burning were going on in the country, while Nikolai completely scored on what was happening in the country and spent time with his family. The wife of Nicky, Alexander, flowed from the roof of her son because of her illness and began to invite crowds of all kinds of “saints” and “healers”, as the doctors unanimously said that they could not do anything. The tops did not pay close attention to cards and the hunger of the lower classes, the middle class was destroyed and bloodless in the war, economic indicators began to plummet. At the beginning of 1917, even the old tsarist generals solemnly laid a bolt on their duties, hiding behind the concept of a defensive war. By March 1917, there were no adequate people in the government at all, just like in the army.

[prapor55]

Dear, they answered you in a previous post about history, you, as gentlemen, are trying to twirl partners. When the monarchy of the Great Patriotic War was preserved, there simply couldn’t be a word at all. Germany was exhausted and the partners launched a “great” revolution, having deleted Russia from the countries of the winners, at the same time having forgiven the gold reserves of the empire. Russia has accumulated colossal reserves of military property a little more and the Bosphorus and Constantinople are ours- this is Albion’s nightmare so they were in such a hurry, remember the chronology I hope?

[AID.S]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is from the series, as I want the story, and spin.

That way and Gorbachev could be declared saints if they had banged in Foros! The same Nicky, only alive.

[solzh]

Quote: AID.S

That way and Gorbachev could be declared saints if they had banged in Foros! The same Nicky, only alive.

In a couple of decades, after the hunchback dies, the labeled one will be declared a “fighter against a terrible evil and a bloody regime”.

[pvv113]

Hello Alexander!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

There is a factual error in this record - it was not the Socialist-Revolutionaries who shot it, just the Bolsheviks.

[Kot_Kuzya]

In fact, the Socialist Revolutionaries were just shooting. In July 1918, an uprising of the Socialist-Revolutionaries and the execution of the royal family took place. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

There is a factual error in this record - it was not the Socialist-Revolutionaries who shot it, just the Bolsheviks.

The Bolsheviks who let the enemies of the revolution on parole? The Soviets, the central government, were disastrously unprofitable shooting with image and political t.z., especially in the context of an agreement with the Germans on the royal family. The execution itself took place against the background of the uprising of the Czech corps and the cruelty of gr. war in general. There is still no reliable data on the execution, everything is on the level - someone saw someone heard, the king most likely was shot separately and at another time. The modern interpretation is purely political https://www.nakanune.ru/articles/114112/

[RUSS]

Quote: Logall

Well then, remember the "small" victorious "war" with Japan that Nikolay unleashed in order to please the people ...

For some reason, I recall the Soviet-Polish war lost by the Bolsheviks, the Soviet-Finnish war, but the Brett Peace is a different story altogether.

[zoolu350]

But did the USSR lose the Soviet-Finnish war? Something new in buncrustal annals. Well, the Brest Peace is similar to the Stolbovsky Peace and the Deulinskiy truce, like 2 drops of water, only the Romanovs, of course, have no complaints, but they are not "bloody" Bolsheviks.

[Basil50]

In fact, the Finns FOUR times officially declared war on the SOVIET UNION. Apart from minor provocations.
Even the Poles only TWO times declared war on the SOVIET UNION

[RUSS]

Quote: zoolu350

But did the USSR lose the Soviet-Finnish war?

Yes, they lost the first Soviet-Finnish in 1918-20.

[alexmach]

I apologize, but the Soviet-Finnish war was won and not lost.

[Kot_Kuzya]

He probably meant the First Soviet-Finnish War of 1918-1920, when the Reds lost to the White Finns, and not the Second Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-1940.

[RUSS]

Quote: alexmach

I apologize, but the Soviet-Finnish war was won and not lost.

I talked about the first Soviet-Finnish.

[RUSS]

Quote: alexmach

I apologize, but the Soviet-Finnish war was won and not lost.

Forgiveness is taken, further for example to Wikipedia, in the section of the Soviet-Finnish war

[NG inform]

The USSR won all 4 Soviet-Finnish.

[RUSS]

Quote: NG inform

The USSR won all 4 Soviet-Finnish.

[Senior seaman]

I understand that the fact that the war began with the Japanese attack is not an argument for you?
As for Khodynka, they already wrote that Nikolai had nothing to do with it. It is not a matter for the head of state to oversee order in the Khodynka field. The police - yes, the Governor-General - without fail, but certainly not the king.

[alexmach]

I understand that the fact that the war began with the Japanese attack is not an argument for you?

Well, there’s actually a medal on two sides. Of course, Japan began it, but the Russian attempt to expand in the Far East led to it, and a rather reckless attempt ... although Nicholas can only be blamed for that very recklessness.

[ver_]

... modern time - Gorbachev's pension - 740 rubles .. Would strangle this lousy ... and not pay the pension ..

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Logall

Recall, at least, for which he was nicknamed Khodynsky ...

I do not lay out the exploits of the Bolsheviks; for many, vomiting will begin from their "exploits."
And about no less, let's add the numbers.

Well, why not lay out. We survive. I’ll post it all the same. And then you will think that if the movement is white, then it means knights and everything is in white. Maybe at least a little “crunch of French rolls” in the heads will decrease. Otherwise, you will blame one side: "for many, vomiting will begin from their" exploits. "
General Graves. Memoirs of the commander of the expeditionary force of the United States about the atrocities of Kolchakites and other White Guards in Siberia:
“In March, a young woman, a rural teacher, came to the headquarters of American troops. He asked for protection for himself and his brothers so that they could return to their village, Gordievka, and bury their father, who was killed by Ivanov-Rinov’s troops. The woman said that the Russian troops they came to Gordievka in search of young men for compulsory recruitment, but the youth escaped, and then the troops detained ten men in the village who were older than the recruited, tortured and killed them and put guards at their bodies to prevent their relatives from burying them. it was cruel and unnatural that I ordered an officer with a small detachment to go to Gordievka and conduct an investigation and notify the woman of her intentions.
The officer sent for investigation reported the following:
Upon arrival at the Gordian school building, I was greeted by a crowd of 70 or 80 men, all armed with rifles, mostly Russian army rifles, as well as some old single-shot rifles of the 45 — 70 caliber. All the information I collected was obtained in the presence of these 70 or 80 armed villagers and roughly 25 or 30 women. Most of the information obtained from the wives of the victims, these women many times lost their feelings during this ordeal for them. The first interrogator said that her husband went to school with his rifle in order to surrender it to the Russian military in accordance with the order. He was seized outside, beaten with his own rifle on the head and torso, and then taken to a house near the school, where he was tied with his hands tied by the neck to the pin in the rafters and badly beaten on the torso and head until blood spattered even the walls of the room . The marks on his body showed me that he was also hung by the legs.
Later he was put in a row with eight other men and shot at 14: 00. There were ten men in the line, all but one were killed, whom the soldiers of Ivanov-Rinov left to die. Next, I interrogated a woman in whose house everyone was beaten, and then shot behind her threshing floor. She said that on the morning of March 9 1919 near 11: 00 several officers Ivanova-Rinova came to her house and forced her to take her husband to another house, but on 11: 30 took her husband back and beat him along with the rest; his arm was broken, his nails were cut off and all his front teeth were knocked out. Her husband was disabled and crippled.
The officer also added:
I found that the floor of the room in which these men were beaten was covered in blood, and all its walls were spattered with blood. The wire and rope loops that tied their necks still hung from the ceiling and were covered in blood. I also found that some of the men were doused with boiling water and burned with red-hot irons, heated in a small stove, which I found in the room.
I visited the place where these men were shot. They were lined up and shot, in each body at least three bullet holes, in some six or more. Obviously, at first they were shot in the feet, and then higher in the body.
Spent
the young officer received the investigation and included in his report much
more testimonies, and those testimonies that I do not quote, in full detail
coincide with those quoted.
This case seemed to me so
disgusting that I ordered the officer to report to me personally. He was not
personnel, he was called up during the war. I will never forget the words of this
the officer he told me after i finished it
to interrogate. He declared:
General, for God's sake, do not send me more on such expeditions. "I barely refrained from ripping off my uniform, joining these unfortunate people and helping them all that I could."

Well, and how do you like such “exploits” of white knights? Already not nauseous? Or are you only interested in the “exploits” of the Reds? Was white possible?

My opinion? A criminal is a criminal, regardless of the side of the conflict. So both sides frenziedly annihilated each other. And there are especially “distinguished ones” on both sides.

[asiat_61]

You might think, the mandalas with the British brought a new order? They brought them on ..

[gurzuf]

When Nikolashka earned his nickname from the people, the Bolsheviks were not in nature. So maybe he gave birth to them?

[Weyland]

Quote: Logall

Recall, at least, for which he was nicknamed Khodynsky ...

why don’t you call Father’s “Nemizhsky”? The mass deaths of people in a stampede also had a place - did the authorities have anything to do with it?

[Julio Jurenito]

You might think that in the accident on the Khodynka field Nikolai was at least somehow to blame, and not the stupid organizers of the cultural event. With the same success and with a complete analogy of Stalin, one can call Joseph Trubny.

[victor50]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And you, for one and hundreds of terrorist acts, committed by the Bolsheviks and how many people died in them. You are not up to the elbow, you are up to their ears in blood.

Oh! But we did not go through this ... Maybe tell me more in detail ... well, not hundreds, at least a few. Only about the Bolsheviks, please, and not others.
Well, and so, to remind you, Mr. General: RSDLP (b) was formed in 1903. Khodynka - 1894. It’s so that you don’t mess up about hundreds ... Well, at least not millions, otherwise the liberal would turn out the other way around ...

[alexmach]

Why are you hodinka wherever without sculpting sculpt. Nicholas was no king, and no saint from him either, but in a hodydka, what side is he to blame for? Just an incident during the mass festivities. He has no fault in this, how he reacted to it there - as his class consciousness and upbringing allowed, so he reacted, well, not very successfully, but he did not deserve the nickname "bloody".

[Julio Jurenito]

Moreover, according to many recollections, the first shots sounded precisely from the crowd of demonstrators, and the fire of soldiers and Cossacks was already reciprocal. Pure "heavenly hundred."

[alexmach]

What? what other shots then what am I talking about? About the crush on the Khodynsky field after the coronation?

[Julio Jurenito]

Well, at first I talked about Khodynka, and then, non-stop, I turned to the events of January 9th.

[Senior seaman]

Actually, the attacks - this is to the left essers. The Bolsheviks against the backdrop of these scumbags are really white and fluffy.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Actually, the empire was destroyed by your Kerensky. It was he who managed to ruin the country in 8 months, it was he who signed Order No. 1 and the Declaration of the Rights of a Soldier who decomposed the army, as a result of which millions of soldiers deserted and the entire front collapsed. Lenin gathered the collapsed country back.

[Shurik70]

When the ship sinks, having stumbled upon the rocks, the navigator, the helmsman, and the team that failed to close the hole are to blame. But most of all the captain is to blame.
And in any case, no one (except the Russian Orthodox Church) would ever dream of making the captain drowned with half the crew a saint, no matter how educated, man-loving and a good father he was.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Actually, the empire was destroyed by your Kerensky.

And who created the situation conducive to Kerensky’s coming to power? It was created by many in the aggregate.
Revolutionaries of all stripes leading subversive propaganda in a warring country, Jewish bankers who hate the Romanovs (and everything Russian) and do not spare money to finance the aforementioned revolutionaries. Including the rotten top of the Russian government, mired in the Masonic games.
Well, of course, the tsar himself, with his lack of will connivance to the revolutionaries and the snickering "boyars".
All this contributed to the collapse. And from my point of view, all this was a well-thought-out chess game against Russia.

[Kot_Kuzya]

The Bolsheviks have nothing to do with the February Revolution. Lenin and Trotsky were at that time abroad, Lenin rushed to Russia in April 1917, when he learned about the overthrow of the tsar.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The Bolsheviks have nothing to do with the February Revolution.

The answer to a simple question is what did these people do until the 17th year? And what kind of shisha did Trotsky bring to Russia a bunch of weapons and militants?

[Kot_Kuzya]

Answer the question when Trotsky sailed from the USA, and it will become clear to you that Trotsky has nothing to do with the February Revolution. The tsar was overthrown by Kerensky, Guchkov and Milyukov, it was they who took power in the country, not Trotsky and not Lenin.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The Bolsheviks have nothing to do with the February Revolution.

The answer to a simple question is what did these people do until the 17th year? And what kind of shisha did Trotsky bring to Russia a bunch of weapons and militants?

Yes, shisha were from different sources, including from such famous and respected people in the Republic of Ingushetia as: The names of Savva Morozov and Nikolai Schmit are most famous. So in preparation for the revolution, almost the whole country took part (direct or indirect), and the relatives of Nicholas II, too, But the February bourgeois Bolsheviks overslept.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Answer the question when Trotsky sailed from the USA

It is impolite to answer a question with a question, especially since you did not answer its first part -

Quote: Ingvar 72

what did these people do until the 17th year?

But I will answer for you - they were engaged in subversive activities in a warring country, and they propagandized an armed coup. Like other parties.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But I will answer for you - they were engaged in subversive activities in a warring country, and they propagandized an armed coup. Like other parties.

Yeah. Similarly, the subversive activities and propaganda of the armed coup d'etat are engaged in a horse riot. So now the skakuas are guilty of sanctions against Russia?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But I will answer for you - they were engaged in subversive activities in a warring country, and they propagandized an armed coup. Like other parties.

But what are you ... about how .. Does the Temporary take Order No. 1. Are the Bolsheviks all to blame for the whole? The tsar is practically removed from the throne by the generals, and the Bolsheviks are to blame again? Did you study history or did you conduct lessons in the corridors ??

[Julio Jurenito]

The February Revolution is the work of agents of influence and residents of the British special services, not only directly supervising many members of the State Duma, but also not disdaining to personally participate in the most dirty special operations - for example, Oswald Reiner personally performed the control on Rasputin. The arrival of Lenin and Co. in Russia is simply an impromptu, counter-game of the German intelligence services with the goal of completely withdrawing Russia from the WWII.

[Weyland]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Lenin gathered the collapsed country back.

Having laid a time bomb in this case - so that it is guaranteed to fall apart again, and also with a lot of blood! It's like burry Russian people hated ...

[Shurik70]

It is necessary to answer not for the "Jewish" or "NATO" sixes, and not for Lenin.
Responsible only for yourself and for ideologically close to you.
For example, I don’t answer for cockroaches in Polonskaya’s head.
I am responsible for myself.
Unfortunately, the site administration removed the ability to "minus" comments. Then one could really see how much of the readers would agree with me.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Shurik70

I am responsible for myself.

You have a problem, you are not interesting to me

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

You have a problemyou are not interesting to me

Thank God that I have a problem! Sanya, you scare me sometimes.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Are you about Lenin and his Jewish sixes?

In addition to the Bolsheviks, there were a lot of parties, and their members as they were changing their beliefs, moving back and forth. And their congresses were held abroad.
But the king is not bloody, and even less so is not a saint. Fuck such a country-it is necessary to try. Shurik70 is right - a rag.

[free]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Shurik70

"bloody" changed to "rag" and "delayed your empire

Are you about Lenin and his Jewish sixes?

No, he's talking about lizoblyudov now!

[victor50]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Shurik70

"bloody" changed to "rag" and "delayed your empire

Are you about Lenin and his Jewish sixes?

Lord !!! And I thought, there is at least some knowledge and beliefs, but here .... I'm leaving, Marya Ivanovna, I'm leaving ....

[Pravodel]

Do you get a little acquainted with the history ... Lena mines belonged to our closest best friends, the Anglo-Saxons, who drank blood from the workers. When the workers went on strike, our friends called the soldiers and shot the workers. And what does Nicholas 2 have to do with it?
The rebellion in Russia is always bloody and cruel: Pugachev, Bolotnikov, etc. At the beginning of the 20th century the peasants' actions against the reform of P. Stolypin were also a rebellion, which was suppressed by cruel methods. But was crushed.
In February 1917, the rebellion in Petrograd was not suppressed. As a result, a coup d'etat and, subsequently, the execution of the royal family.
Do not learn history from extracts from quotations, but learn from documents. Then you will not throw stones at those who do not deserve it.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: The Truth

In February 1917, the rebellion in Petrograd was not suppressed. As a result, a coup d'etat and, subsequently, the execution of the royal family.

In February there was not a riot, but an oligarchic coup. Nikolai was arrested by General Kornilov, and Kerensky came to power. It is ridiculous to compare them with the leaders of the peasant wars that were all from the people

[vladmort]

Quote: Vasily50

Only the Bolsheviks managed to restore the country and then defend OUR MOTHERLAND.

In 1991, we all saw how beautifully they restored the country ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Vasily50

Was there a court when workers were shot at Lena mines?

In the Lena mines, workers, agitated by agitators, began to attack the soldiers. And the captain Tereshchenko, who ordered the shooting, was then put on trial.

Quote: Vasily50

Or were there courts when they shot and hung on Krasnaya Presnya?

On Krasnaya Presnya revolutionary bandits with weapons in their hands attacked people. Do you really think that a shooting bandit is so easy to detain? Look at modern CTOs - do many terrorists take them alive?

Quote: Vasily50

Or when they shot and hung peasants suspected of disobedience?

But this is already something from the realm of fantasy.

[gurzuf]

What kind of empire is it if it has collapsed as a result of an "atom" against hooligans? It’s not funny for yourself?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: gurzuf

What kind of empire is it if it has collapsed as a result of an "atom" against hooligans? It’s not funny for yourself?

So after all, in my comment we are talking about the events of 1905. Then everything was in order with the empire. Read carefully, please.

[gurzuf]

And that in 1905 there was no revolutionary fermentation?

[Vladimir 5]

Bloody resurrection occurred in the absence of the emperor in the Winter Palace. On bloody Sunday, the court officials themselves created, opponents of the emperor, perhaps adherents of a strong hand (like under Alexander-3). Of course, Nicholas -2 was a poor administrator, in addition to the same Empress Alexandra Fedorovna, which predetermined the fate of this imperial couple. Here are just removing Nicholas II from the highest circles of power, did not foresee the power of external forces that turned all over Russia. But Nicholas - 2 at the time of abdication, transferred the empire under the control of his brother Mikhail Alexandrovich, and he did not abandon the throne, only postponed the decision to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly. The Constituent Assembly was dispersed by the Bolsheviks and did not resolve the issue of the emperor. In fact, and with legal foundations, Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov (Mikhail-2) became the Russian Emperor, here his Bolsheviks secretly shot one of the first Romanov dynasties in Perm ...

[abrakadabre]

Or were there courts when they shot and hung on Krasnaya Presnya?

And, by the way, representatives of the church also noted in this event. For example, by providing bell towers and church roofs to house machine gun crews of punitive squads.

[Weyland]

Quote: Vasily50

Or when they shot and hung peasants suspected of disobedience?

how humane we are .... Compare their number with at least one Great Terror. And if I call Stalin "Bloody", you’ll write it down in Solzhenitsyn right away!

[Greg Miller]

I do not believe in holiness and suffering

[Weyland]

What Balmont wrote about the king in 1906, everyone knows. And what did he write about the Bolsheviks in 1918, to remind?
“Werewolves pretending to be in front of themselves and before the world beginning to hate them with world hatred speak of freedom - and lock up their brothers in jail. They say:“ We will transform ”, but only destroy the beautiful created, powerless to create something in its ugliness. They call they liberate themselves and suffocate the liberty of the human word, call themselves poor, and themselves, taking a fee for blood, taking a fee for laziness, evaluating their beliefs on a coin, drowning in usury, extortion and bribes. and as small bats and winged heavy vampires, they say: "We can fly, we are birds."

[Dart2027]

Tell me, is this not the Balmont who fled France after the revolution?

[Weyland]

Quote: Dart2027

Isn’t that the Balmont who fled France after the revolution?

that one, that one! (with). What he said at the same time on the Bolsheviks, I wrote yesterday at 16-11 - look directly above your post.

[Basil50]

The nobility threw off the king and arrested with the family, created temporary ones who managed to ruin the army and state apparatus in less than a year. This is a temporary start * sovereignty parade *.
The Bolsheviks went to a country without an army, police, officials, and a bunch of nationalists. This temporary called for the Germans in Petrograd and the British and French. They cut the zones of occupation. It is temporary and their fans unleashed the Civil War and managed to lose. Except how to destroy the liberals do not know anything.
sled censors? So liberals act. Now figs in your pocket, then spit in the back. And be sure to lie.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Vasily50

And what was the court when they shot * bloody Sunday *

Tell me, what would you do if a crowd of many thousands began to rush to the residence of the GG, which is also a repository of a huge amount of values? There were no riot police then.

[gurzuf]

Somehow the crowd didn’t "tear" properly! With images of saints and portraits of the king-priest! And over them - shrapnel!

[Dart2027]

Quote: gurzuf

Somehow the crowd didn’t "tear" properly!

So, if we assume that if, in 1940, certain personalities numbering several thousand were trampled into the Kremlin holding portraits of Stalin, would they have been greeted with bread and salt?
And you have not answered the question

Quote: Dart2027

Tell me, what would you do if a crowd of many thousands began to rush to the residence of the GG, which is also a repository of a huge amount of values? There were no riot police then.

[gurzuf]

Did they break into a residence with images or would they like the "highest" to listen to them? This is not the same thing.

[Dart2027]

Quote: gurzuf

Did they break into a residence with images or would they like the "highest" to listen to them? This is not the same thing.

And what is the difference when the crowd rushes to the palace and refuses to obey the command stand?

Quote: gurzuf

The procession was prepared by the legal organization "Meeting of Russian factory workers in St. Petersburg" led by priest Georgy Gapon.

Strictly speaking, therefore, he was not prevented in the bud. No one thought that Gapon and the company would simply set up the people fooled by them.

[gurzuf]

The fact of the matter is that the crowd did not break into any residences! They were humble and chanting! And their future "saint" with friends in the spray!

[Dart2027]

Quote: gurzuf

They were humble and chanting!

Then why didn’t they obedient turn back when they were clearly and unequivocally ordered to disperse?

[gurzuf]

And by the way, the events of January 9 (22), 1905 in St. Petersburg, also known as the “Bloody Sunday”, or “Red Sunday” [6] [7] - the dispersal of the procession of St. Petersburg workers to the Winter Palace, which was intended to hand over to Tsar Nicholas II Collective Petition for Work Needs. The procession was prepared by the legal organization "Meeting of Russian factory workers in St. Petersburg" led by priest Georgy Gapon.

[Per se.]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

History puts everything in its place

Yes, probably. If the reincarnation of Nicholas II occurred, it remains to wait for the "reincarnation" of the February revolution, and subsequent events.

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

History puts everything in its place

Didn’t you get the idea that the very scenario that happened was charitable? You, as a monarchist, should know that all power is from the BG, and the Bolsheviks are His will? And about holiness - the bodies of true saints are not eaten by bacteria and maggots. Therefore, Nicholas is the same as many other leaders, who didn’t really do anything special, unfortunately didn’t do anything ... Therefore, you shouldn’t pull your eyes on the same place in the pyramid ... fraught with consequences for everyone ...

[Weyland]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

You, as a monarchist, should know that all power is from the BG, and the Bolsheviks are His will?

Nefig to distort! “There is power not from God” is translated not “all power from God”, butThere is no (legal) power that is not from God"- what about the Bolsheviks 146 Churovsky percent applies!

Quote: Demon_is_ada

the bodies of true saints are not eaten by bacteria and maggots

and fire and sulfuric acid, too. whether? Do not smack nonsense, it hurts!

[Demon_is_ada]

And you Konstantin are observant))), although I was interested in the opinion of the "master" Romanov. But since you decided to share his karma, well, if you please ...
Exactly the way you quoted this expression and it sounds, here I will ask you a question
. With what fright is the power of the Romanovs more divine than the Bolsheviks? Or the expression “nothing will happen as soon as His will” will you dispute the same? )))
The problem is that people misunderstand this expression. If the power acts according to divine principles, then it is from Him))) ... But over time, from the power it begins to flatten a little and "gentlemen" begin to think that "" and "all kinds of blacks" are their property, but this "beast" is His)) ), and he has his own plans and understandings. And about the "Mr." Romanov

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Lenin rag-earned HELL!

he already instead of Jehovah decides to whom to Hell, to whom to Paradise))) ...
Well, to the second part, about acid and fire ... however, those remains are fake? ))) ... I want to say that after applying these and even in combination, it is unlikely that anything is left. If this was applied superficially, then in the case of a real saint they would have had a charred mummy, then the Bolsheviks would not have been screwed up))) ...
And by the way, the Soviet government was suspended just for the same reason - they got too big, and the people must draw conclusions so that they would not step on the rake for the thousandth time ...
All the best to you))) ...

[Weyland]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

With what fright is the power of the Romanovs more divine than the Bolsheviks?

Well. in fact, there is such a sacrament in Orthodoxy (and in Catholicism too) - anointing to the kingdom. That is why the monarchs are called the Anointed of God.

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Or the expression “nothing will happen as soon as His will” will you dispute the same?

Of course I will! This is the most blatant lie! In your. is all evil in the world by the will of God? According to the Orthodox doctrine, everything that happens happens or (much more often) by the will of God, either by God's permission! Not familiar with this term?

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Lenin rag-earned HELL!
he already instead of Jehovah decides to whom to Hell, to whom to Paradise

Since Lenin he was an ardent atheist and anti-clerical, blew up churches, killed clergy, and most importantly - did not repent of it until his death, whether he went to hell, not a question at all - the answer is obvious!

[Demon_is_ada]

Excuse me Konstantin, but nevertheless the anointed of BG or the anointed of an organized group of people in strange clothes, calling themselves clergymen ??? By the way, I do not deny the presence in realities of really holy (in my opinion) people and I visit the monastery of a daddy for a chat, they give me books to read, which even some monks are not allowed to hold on to))). Really decent people. ..
All evil comes from the pride of people alone and the stupidity of others, or rather it will be more exact - from the pride of smart and blind stupid faith. And you need to believe in BG and your experience, and if the first is hard to replay, then the second can be improved))) ...
Well, for dessert ... That is, according to your dogmas, Yeshua is the same there? Well, after all, he dispersed pah, pooh, businessmen in the Temple, there is a malicious hooligan action. Yes, and threatened to destroy the Temples (to leave the ministers without work, I cried), in return offered an improved layout within walking distance on his individual project ... As if blaspheming, by the standards of that time and by the teachings of the lasso bearers))) ... For me by the way, the question is not obvious which of the two of you will be there ... I will definitely be there, of my own free will and in my right mind, I work there ...

[Weyland]

Quote: Demon_is_ada

And you need to believe in BG and your experience, and if the first is hard to replay, the second can be improved

Protestants are such Protestants ....
“When do people finally realize that it’s useless to read their own bible and not read other people's bibles? The typesetter reads his bible to find typos, the Mormon reads his bible and finds polygamy; a follower of“ Christian science ”reads his bible and finds that our arms and legs are only appearances. St. Claire was an old Anglo-Indian soldier of a Protestant depot. Think what that could mean and, for heaven’s sake, drop the hypocrisy! It could mean that he was a licentious man, lived under the tropical sun among the dregs of eastern society and, without spiritually led by anyone, indiscriminately absorbed the teachings of the Eastern book. Without a doubt, he read the Old Testament more readily than the New. No doubt, he found in the Old Testament everything he wanted to find, lust, violence "I’m cheating. I dare say that he was honest in the generally accepted sense of the word. But what's the point if a man is honest in his worship of dishonesty?" (G.K. Chesterton, The Broken Sword)

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Well, after all, he dispersed pah, pooh, businessmen in the Temple, there is a malicious hooligan action.

Legally "suppressed illegal trade in the wrong place"

Quote: Demon_is_ada

Yes, and threatened to destroy the Temples

To this the Jews said: What sign do you prove to us that you have the power to do so?
Jesus answered them: Destroy this temple, and I will build it in three days.
The Jews said to this: this temple was built forty-six years, and you will erect it in three days?
But He spoke of the temple of His body.
When He rose from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this, and believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus said. (John 2: 18-22)

[vlad.svargin]

Alexander Romanov
History puts everything in its place

Quite rightly, the history in 1917 put a bullet to the bloody Romanov dynasty almost by analogy as it was in England and France (the kings close were also executed there, and even more severely). Nicholas got what he deserved, because he himself gave the order without execution to be shot at Lena Prisca, "Bloody Sunday", on Krasnaya Presnya.

[Senior seaman]

There is a difference, and a significant one. In the case of Carl Stewart and Louis Bourbon, it was precisely the execution. That is, there was an open trial, a sentence and a public clipping of the head. In the case of the Romanov family, there was a murder. As for me, it's pretty dastardly.
By the way, the fact that Nikolai did not order the execution of the Gapon demonstration was found out during the time of the interim government

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

History puts everything in its place

The Romanov family was arrested - liberal capitalists.
They betrayed and sold the Romanov family - the ROC and the monarchists.
They refused to be related to them - all the monarchs of Europe.
Shot - the Social Revolutionaries.
And the Bolsheviks are to blame.
Arranges, do not hesitate. And all this obscurantism with the kingdom will sink into the toilet. Where is the place for him.

[sabotage]

Quote: oleg-gr

How the attitude towards the royal family has changed. From Nikolai "Bloody" to "Holy." Another extreme in the style of Russian traditions.

A country with an unpredictable past ...

[solzh]

Quote: oleg-gr

How the attitude towards the royal family has changed. From Nikolai "Bloody" to "Holy." Another extreme in the style of Russian traditions.

My attitude has not changed in relation to Nikolashka. As he was bloody for me, so he remained ...

[Weyland]

Quote: oleg-gr

From Nikolai "Bloody" to "Holy"

St. Alexander Nevsky during life, too, the then liberals hated. And St. Empress Theodora (“Theodora” in Greek “God's gift”) was not called by the liberals other than the Demonodora (who is interested - for her vicious attempt on the sacred right of citizens to sell their daughters in brothels)

[demo]

Short and correct.

[siberalt]

When changing the regime in the "pride", even lions kill alien cubs. What can we say about state elites This has always been and will be, no matter how regrettable it may look.

[Weyland]

Quote: siberalt

When changing the regime in the "pride", even lions kill alien cubs. What can we say about state elites

People. not lions, actually. But Mao Jie Dong, in fact, has never been a humanist - but he didn’t kill either Pu Yi or his brothers and nephews: Puzhen lived 97 years (1918-2015), and his son Jin Yuzhang (b. 1942) and Now alive and well, he holds the posts of Deputy Governor of the Chongwen District and Deputy Director of the Beijing Committee on Nationalities.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Titsen

But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

Quote: Alexander Romanov

History puts everything in its place

Often confused the success of Nicholas as a statesman and his human personality.
Successful state figures are definitely not saints ... For the state is a machine for coercion, and these figures act in certain historical conditions and represent the interests of the class, party, beyond which they are unable to.
Everything with Nicholas is clear here - he did not cope with tasks of a grandiose scale.
But he was a Christian and loved Russia in his own way.
For example, he handed over to the peasants 6 million dozen cabinet rooms, i.e. imperial family name, land, very loyally, unlike the Bolsheviks, belonged to the state. criminals such as Stalin-Lenin, under him, and not under the Communists, illiteracy was significantly eliminated, tens of thousands of elementary schools were opened.
And the nickname is "bloody" ... Well, what else could the "bloodless" come up with? Or suppression of riots (revolutions) could do without sacrifices before October, after?
Of course, these measures could not completely resolve the contradictions that took place in the Russian empire, but ... If it weren’t for the World War, you see, and Russia would have overcome a sharp historical break without such grandiose victims.

[Weyland]

Quote: Alekseev

hasty state figures are definitely not saints ... For the state is a machine for coercion, and these figures act in certain historical conditions and represent the interests of the class, party, beyond which they are unable to.

The saint is not sinless. but pleasing to God. and it is possible to please Him in different ways: Justinian the Great, Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko, Yaroslav the Wise and Alexander Nevsky were very severe rulers - it was necessary! To this day, liberalists still hate Justinian for exactly what he pleased God: heretics - he expelled, for gambling - he chopped his hands, and to fagots - something else , and even villainously closed the popularly beloved Pornai Theater (current ones have a rest - there was a real SEX right on stage!)

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Titsen

But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

He was recognized as a saint not for life before renunciation and not for state administration, but for his life after. She was recognized as a model of Christian humility.

[KLV2018]

Quote: Titsen

Rastrel is cruel.

But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

deserved it.

[Weyland]

Quote: Titsen

Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

not for you to judge - there will not be enough authority!

[the monastery]

not shooting but ritual murder. cynical and very cruel!

[the monastery]

listen to you. saint or not the Lord decides and not humans!
you certainly can’t accept death voluntarily. you will cling to life with all that is conceivable and not conceivable. and he accepted calmly and with dignity
therefore, it is not for us to judge him!

[papas-57]

"But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!" If there was a good king, there would be no revolution.

[General70]

Dear, I agree that the execution is hateful, but Nicholas 2 does not reach Hitler’s scale, Nicholas 2 was not at all able to reign, all that interested him in this world was his family, why he suffered

[cariperpaint]

Well, the shell in a person’s head. What can you do. And this date ... This is a tragedy from a human point of view and a lesson for the future. When thugs who come to power for the whole country come to power, it is always blood, dirt and gloom.

[sabotage]

Quote: cariperpaint

This is a tragedy from a human point of view and a lesson for the future.

Tragedy is his vile rule. That is, when the demonstrations, strikes and strikes were shot, were these acts of mercy on the part of the authorities? And then they are like Ukrainians: and us for SHO?

[cariperpaint]

I do not protect him. In any case, those who came after grief brought hundreds of times more.

[sabotage]

Quote: cariperpaint

I do not protect him. In any case, those who came after grief brought hundreds of times more.

Do not provide a grief measuring system?

The crisis which resulted in the Revolution and the Civil was the result of the incompetent work of the Tsar, the tsarist Government. Accordingly, these gentlemen brought the country to a pen, and after that they blamed the successors for all the troubles. Nonsense.

[cariperpaint]

A grief system? Killed a man and his whole family. Suppose the king deserved his fate, did his family deserve it too? This is wildness and blackness. People capable of such things for any reason need to be isolated. The ideology that prompted people to do this needs to be burned and the ashes dispelled.

[sabotage]

Quote: cariperpaint

A grief system? Killed a man and his whole family. Suppose the king deserved his fate, did his family deserve it too? This is wildness and blackness. People capable of such things for any reason need to be isolated. The ideology that prompted people to do this needs to be burned and the ashes dispelled.

There are 2 nuances:

1. If a hard-working peasant who is the father of the family is shot, then his children will most likely die of hunger and cold, since there is nothing to keep them. About Leo Tolstoy’s social program in tsarist Russia you can read.

2. The existence of direct heirs made it possible at any time to raise the issue of restoring royal power. And who needs it? The choice is not great. If the question is the deservedness of such a fate, then my answer is that they deserve it. While they ate sweetly and slept soundly, people were dying of hunger, war and disease. And they laid a large and thick device on the suffering of their subjects. So why feel sorry for them for the mirror attitude?

[cariperpaint]

After your words, it only became more clear to me that what came after the monarchy is hell. They ate sweetly and slept soundly. You are talking about women and children. Who were executed only because they were of royal blood. I don’t share forgive the children for ours or not. For me, the death of a child from any layer of society is also wild. In my opinion, only a sick person can justify this. So I'm sorry, but I no longer have the desire to speak on this subject with you.

[sabotage]

Quote: cariperpaint

I don’t share forgive the children for ours or not. For me, the death of a child from any layer of society is also wild.

They were not executed because they were children, not for sweet food and good sleep. Only because they, as heirs to the throne, can take part somewhere.

[Weyland]

Quote: sabotage

The crisis which resulted in the Revolution and the Civil was the result of the incompetent work of the Tsar, the tsarist Government.

And during the WWII years, such a crisis was during all in warring countries. England and France managed. and Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey - not. And that is characteristic, nowhere. except Russia, the ousted monarch was not killed (well, the Turks would probably have killed the Sultan, but he managed to die himself)

[sabotage]

Quote: Weyland

And during the WWII years, such a crisis was in all the warring countries. England and France managed. but Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey - no. And that is characteristic, nowhere. except Russia, the ousted monarch was not killed (well, the Turks would probably have killed the Sultan, but he managed to die himself)

Okay, let's clarify the wording. They had a crisis. We have a catastrophe, since territorial losses are added to the failure in the economy. Neither France, nor Germany, nor Austria-Hungary had this factor.

[Weyland]

Quote: sabotage

We have a catastrophe, since territorial losses are added to the failure in the economy. Neither France, nor Germany, nor Austria-Hungary had this factor.

Chago? Germany lost only Alsace, Lorraine and the Ruhr region (can be compared with the loss by Russia of Poland and Finland), but from Austria-Hungary and Turkey only shreds remained! Look at the cards of that time - and compare with modern ones!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sabotage

That is, when demonstrations, strikes and strikes were shot

It was necessary to crush all the Bolsheviks, but the Tsar was merciful to us.
Shaika of terrorists

[onix757]

Romanov, you need a site where they are proud of the achievements of RI. What did RI achieve there? What brands were mocked in the Great Agrarian Power, the country of illiterate serfs? And yes, you will be one of the princes, whom the Soviet government deprived of a surname and a couple of hundreds of souls. But seriously, if it weren’t for the Soviet regime, they would spin the tails of cows for the rest of their lives and rejoice that the master didn’t attach a whip.

[prapor55]

Then tell us the wisest Bolshevik. You are ours, why did all the achievements of the Communists in the 20th century compare with 1913, well, at least there should be some kind of logic?

[abc_alex]

As a person with a historian’s education, I say: since 1913 they are compared solely because it was the last pre-war year. Comparing with 1914, 1915 or 1916 is a complete scam, where all the indicators of the economy flew into a deep down. At least you take livestock, at least external debt, at least some macroeconomic parameter. The year 1913 was always taken as the moment of the highest economic development of tsarist Russia. All. Nothing sacred.

[prapor55]

Yes, everything is true, but is this not a fact of the right course of the king? The Russian economy occupied one of the leading places in the world and after 4 years, thanks to partners, it simply evaporated.

[abc_alex]

You see, for the economy there is such a thing as structural distortions. For example, in the USSR, the most famous bias was the dominance of the production of means of production. That ultimately led to a shortage of goods and further down the list. The Empire also had such distortions. For example, the extremely low marketability of peasant farming. And others. They can be listed for a long time. As soon as the war began, all these distortions promptly pulled the country into crisis.
No, H2 did not lead the right course. At the beginning of the century, "rushing slowly" was no longer possible. It was necessary to actively change the country. For example, do not throw off people's health on zemstvos, but build a state system of medical support for the rural population. With the formation of the same. The same with industry. In our country, before the revolution, entire industries were left at the mercy of foreigners. Chemistry was driven by the Germans, for example. When it was required to start a chemical war, it turned out that it was necessary to build new state-owned factories, since foreigners sabotaged even the production of gas masks.

[prapor55]

And again, I agree with you, Stolypin laid the foundation for himself, but he didn’t have time, and 1913 was rather the merit of the late prime minister.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: prapor55

Stolypin put himself right

Correct further. Stolypin is the culprit of the mess in the ensuing. None other than him brought closer what happened in February 17.

[victor50]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: sabotage

That is, when demonstrations, strikes and strikes were shot

It was necessary to crush all the Bolsheviks, but the Tsar was merciful to us.
Shaika of terrorists

Would you ... cartoons to watch! The most for you ... I'm afraid they haven’t even grown up to comics yet.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: sabotage

That is, when demonstrations, strikes and strikes were shot

It was necessary to crush all the Bolsheviks, but the Tsar was merciful to us.
Shaika of terrorists

Great! Amazing! The tsar’s abdication and the February revolution were achieved by others (his relatives, his generals, the bourgeois), and the Bolsheviks needed to be crushed! And then RI would be preserved ?! And those who precisely sought the February revolution (not the Bolsheviks) didn’t need to get it? No offense. Although you want to be offended. But after such a “logic”, your love of GDP becomes clear to me personally.

[abc_alex]

He was not merciful to you, but soft-bodied, and he did not differ in strategic thinking. The symbol of the degeneration of the Romanov dynasty is the emperor, who managed to .... .... country, having in his hands almost unlimited power.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: abc_alex

He was not merciful to you, but soft-bodied, and he did not differ in strategic thinking. The symbol of the degeneration of the Romanov dynasty is the emperor, who managed to .... .... country, having in his hands almost unlimited power.

That's it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6QpN22tpc

[Weyland]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

It was necessary to crush all the Bolsheviks

February did not Bolsheviks. Guchkova with Milyukov it was necessary to shoot, as the Grand Duchess advised!

[vladmort]

Quote: sabotage

That is, when the demonstrations, strikes and strikes were shot, were these acts of mercy on the part of the authorities? And then they are like Ukrainians: and us for SHO?

In fact, demonstrations, strikes and strikes, this is hohlopsihologiya. What happens if you don’t shoot the Maidan, we already saw it in 2014, right?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: vladmort

Quote: sabotage

That is, when the demonstrations, strikes and strikes were shot, were these acts of mercy on the part of the authorities? And then they are like Ukrainians: and us for SHO?

In fact, demonstrations, strikes and strikes, this is hohlopsihologiya. What happens if you don’t shoot the Maidan, we already saw it in 2014, right?

Well, why do you offer only: "What happens if you don’t shoot the Maidan?"
Well, I won’t write about the suppression of Spartak’s uprising, many people remember the school curriculum. Don’t read about the reasons for the uprising, but of course you can also get methods of suppression. Well, yes, I will gladly help you, if it’s difficult with your imagination, choose to your taste (Source Oleg Loginov Punishment of the rebels):
“The most cruel and painful executions in the Middle Ages were carried out by rebels who were malicious against the tsarist or royal power. In order for others to be disobedient, they were not scoffed at so that death seemed to the rebels as a happy deliverance from torment.

Joseph Genesnya in The History of the Kingdoms describes the sad fate of Thomas the Slav who rebelled against the Byzantine emperor in the XNUMXth century. Although there is no exact data on the origin of Thomas, but in history he remained as a "Slav."

The Byzantine emperor besieged the rebels in the city of Arcadiopolis and subjected them to hunger. At first, the rebels were forced to eat the fetid carcasses of dead horses, then their skins. And when there was nothing at all, the rebels seized Thomas Slavic and gave him to the emperor. He joyfully trampled Thomas’s neck with his feet and ordered him to cut off both his arms and legs, and then put him on a stake.



The sad fate befell Babek from Azerbaijan, who rebelled against the Arab caliph. Leading the Khurramite community, Babek instilled in the hearts of Khurramites the idea of ​​liberation from Arab domination, the destruction of Islam and the restoration of the religion of their ancestors - Zoroastrianism. The liberation war of the Azerbaijani people proceeded according to the usual scenario for Asia - cutting out the enemy. At first, the rebel Hurramites slaughtered all Arabs in the vicinity of Buzz. Then they began to cut them in other areas. When Babek took possession of almost all of the territory of Azerbaijan in 20 years, he had already counted more than 200 thousand executed and only about 10 thousand captured.

Caliph Mutasim entrusted the war with Babek to his commander Afshin. Having shown a trick, he ambushed Babek and defeated his army there, destroying over 80 thousand Azerbaijanis. Babek fled and took refuge with his ally, Prince Khachen Sahl Smbatyan. He gave the fugitive to the Arabs, but made it so that Babek was captured by the detachment sent by Afshin during the hunt arranged by the Sahl. For the betrayal, Smbatyan received a truly royal reward from the Caliph: the right of the tsarist authorities to rule Armenia, Iveria and Aluank.

Caliph turned Babek's execution into a fantastic show, analogues of which are hard to find in the world.

The city of Samarra Babek, delivered to the capital of the Caliphate, and his brother Abdallah are first given the taste of royal honors. They are dressed in royal robes, trimmed with pearls and precious stones. Then Babek is planted on a huge gray elephant donated by the king of India, and Abdallah - on a magnificent Bactrian camel. In this form, they follow to the palace of the Caliph under the escort of Arab soldiers dressed in holiday clothes.

The execution according to the description of M. Tomar turned out to be beautiful and extremely cruel:

“The innumerable palace buildings that made up the whole city, were all decorated with precious carpets. In the courtyard in front of the palace, hundreds of lions were chained on gold chains. The caliph's personal guard in precious armament was placed in the halls of the palace, then seven thousand white slaves and seven hundred top court ranks. The walls were hung with ten thousand gilded shells and expensive weapons. The prisoners were led after the commander through the famous hall, where in the middle of the marble pool stood a tree with eighteen branches made entirely of gold; gold birds sat on it, in which, instead of eyes, precious stones glittered. Finally they entered the throne room, cleaned with magnificent carpets of exceptional rarity and value.

Mutasim sat on the throne. The “skin of executions” was spread out in front of him and the executioner stood. Executions were carried out according to the old custom, on a piece of leather in the presence of a caliph. When Afshin approached, the Caliph put him near him on an honorable place. Then they brought Babek to the throne. Babek had an executioner named Nudnud. Afshin brought him to the capital along with other prisoners. Mutasim instructed him to execute Babek and his brother Abdallah.

Babek is taken off his clothes and stripped naked. After that, the executioner chopped off his right hand and punched Babek in the face with this hand several times, doing the same with his left hand. Then the executioner chopped off both his legs. Then his stomach is ripped open and only after that his head is chopped off. ”

However, there is other evidence that Babek’s head was cut off only after death. And before that, they sewed it into damp bull skin so that both cow horns fell into the behind-the-ear cavities. Babek sewn into a sack was hanged while he was still alive, he suffered while his skin was dry and died in torment.

After this, the body of the Azerbaijani rebel was nailed to the cross and put up on the outskirts of Samarra, this place has since been called the “Babek Cross”. The rebel’s head was transported from city to city to intimidate their inhabitants. "
I think enough. Choose what you liked? With this, of course, it is more difficult: "this is hohlopsihologiya", in the old days of course they did not hear about this. Well, yes, you, as I understand it, the reasons why people may be unhappy are not important. Well, with a variety of methods (that would not only be able to shoot), I helped you, right?

[vladmort]

Quote: Leshy1975

I think enough. Choose what you liked? With this, of course, it is more difficult: "this is hohlopsihologiya", in the old days of course they did not hear about this. Well, yes, you, as I understand it, the reasons why people may be unhappy are not important. Well, with a variety of methods (that would not only be able to shoot), I helped you, right?

I’ll tell you a secret, people are always unhappy. And the point of the state is that discontent must be suppressed. What happens otherwise is well known from history. And about your wretched examples: I’m sure they wouldn’t have executed your “Slavs” and “Bebeks”, they would have shed much more blood.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: vladmort

Quote: Leshy1975

I think enough. Choose what you liked? With this, of course, it is more difficult: "this is hohlopsihologiya", in the old days of course they did not hear about this. Well, yes, you, as I understand it, the reasons why people may be unhappy are not important. Well, with a variety of methods (that would not only be able to shoot), I helped you, right?

I’ll tell you a secret, people are always unhappy. And the point of the state is that discontent must be suppressed. What happens otherwise is well known from history. And about your wretched examples: I’m sure they wouldn’t have executed your “Slavs” and “Bebeks”, they would have shed much more blood.

"And the point of the state is that discontent must be suppressed." Bravo. I applaud you while standing. I then naively thought that the meaning of the state is that the population would be a state enough and to such a degree of dissatisfaction as Maidan and rebellion not to bring. And the population was not asked by the thought, but why do we need such a state? Well, yes, I agree with you, it’s hard that people would not be unhappy. You can of course do the state the way you think: "dissatisfaction must be suppressed." Well, go on, then be consistent in your understanding of the meaning of the state. I will help you a little more. There was one such state, it was very fond of suppressing: The Nazi concentration camps were sadly famous for inhuman cruelty to prisoners and impossible conditions of detention. These places of detention began to appear even before Hitler came to power, and even then they were divided into women, men and children. Mostly Jews were kept there and opponents nazi building. And if my previous examples seemed wretched to you, and you could not choose what you liked, I apologize. Maybe really with Hitler Germany will be more successful. Moreover, the meaning of the state you revealed to me intelligibly, it remains only to pick up the tool, select:
The conditions of detention can be judged by the letters of the prisoners: "they lived in hellish conditions, ragged, bloated, hungry ... I was constantly and brutally beaten, deprived of food and water, tortured ...", "They shot, sacked, poisoned by dogs, drowned in water, beaten sticks, starved. Infected with tuberculosis ... choked with a cyclone. Poisoned with chlorine. Burned ... ".
You can’t remember exactly other meanings of the state, except to suppress it?

[vladmort]

Quote: Leshy1975

You can’t remember exactly other meanings of the state, except to suppress it?

The meaning of the state is not that there would be paradise (it is impossible on earth), but that there would be no hell. Rebels, using discontent, undermine the state, which leads to huge blood. Violence against rebels is a natural and fundamental function of the state, what happens if they are not destroyed, it is known: revolutions, Maidan and inevitability, civil war, occupation and extinction.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: vladmort

Quote: Leshy1975

You can’t remember exactly other meanings of the state, except to suppress it?

The meaning of the state is not that there would be paradise (it is impossible on earth), but that there would be no hell. Rebels, using discontent, undermine the state, which leads to huge blood. Violence against rebels is a natural and fundamental function of the state, what happens if they are not destroyed, it is known: revolutions, Maidan and inevitability, civil war, occupation and extinction.

Yes, you yourself decide for yourself to begin with the meaning of the state. And think about this. But how did it happen by itself that from the slave system gradually moved to other forms of government? Now you excuse me, but I will tell you. There is such a discipline, history. Read about how the slave system changed to a feudal one, about bourgeois revolutions. Are you sure that without violence against existing states? Or agree to a slave system, if only there were no riots? As I understand it, you missed a whole layer in the development of the political system. And you don’t understand the reasons for such changes. Rested only on rebels. Well, with the conclusion: "what happens if they are not destroyed, it is known: revolutions, Maidan and inevitability, civil war, occupation and extinction." quite rzhachka turns out, especially the last: "occupation and extinction." Write down: the Russian Federation, France, England and many other countries have millennia of history and have not yet died out, despite the change of order as a result of revolutions. But if they continued to be at an impasse, then they could really disappear.

[vladmort]

Quote: Leshy1975

quite rzhachka turns out, especially the last: "occupation and extinction." Write down: the Russian Federation, France, England and many other countries have millennia of history and have not yet died out, despite the change of order as a result of revolutions.

And you tell me about studying history! We look. Since 1917, the Russian Federation has lost both its population and territories. France, completely dancing to the tune of the Judeo-Anglo-Saxon financiers, lost territories (colonies), the indigenous population is successfully declining, i.e. quite extinction. England, read about the restoration of the monarchy (note, the monarchy did not prevent England from being at the forefront of the industrial revolution).

[Leshy1975]

Quote: vladmort

Quote: Leshy1975

quite rzhachka turns out, especially the last: "occupation and extinction." Write down: the Russian Federation, France, England and many other countries have millennia of history and have not yet died out, despite the change of order as a result of revolutions.

And you tell me about studying history! We look. Since 1917, the Russian Federation has lost both its population and territories. France, completely dancing to the tune of the Judeo-Anglo-Saxon financiers, lost territories (colonies), the indigenous population is successfully declining, i.e. quite extinction. England, read about the restoration of the monarchy (note, the monarchy did not prevent England from being at the forefront of the industrial revolution).

Everything, consider convinced, we return immediately to the slave or feudal system.

[sabotage]

Quote: vladmort

And you tell me about studying history! We look. Since 1917, the Russian Federation has lost both its population and territories. France, completely dancing to the tune of the Judeo-Anglo-Saxon financiers, lost territories (colonies), the indigenous population is successfully declining, i.e. quite extinction. England, read about the restoration of the monarchy (note, the monarchy did not prevent England from being at the forefront of the industrial revolution).

Oh, holy haloperidol! The Russian Federation could not lose anything. It arose in 1991. In 1917 there were the Russian Empire, then the Russian Republic, the RSFSR. But there was no RF. With the same success Ukrainians may say that until 1918 the Finnish principality was part of Ukraine.

About England. Let me remind you that there is not a monarchy, but a constitutional monarchy. We would go to university, get an education and not quote stupid things from Ren-TV.

[free]

Quote: cariperpaint

Well, the shell in a person’s head. What can you do. And this date ... This is a tragedy from a human point of view and a lesson for the future. When thugs who come to power for the whole country come to power, it is always blood, dirt and gloom.

And when those in power are those who care only for their loved ones (well, such as you throw bones for “righteous works”), what is it called?

[cariperpaint]

You will poke your friends, I did not join their ranks. I earn my bones myself, the handouts didn’t rest against me. As for the government, it does not bother me. Clarified or expanded?)

[free]

Quote: cariperpaint

You will poke your friends, I did not join their ranks. I earn my bones myself, the handouts didn’t rest against me. As for the government, it does not bother me. Clarified or expanded?)

What is the name of this situation?

[cariperpaint]

In my end of communication, in your opinion I have no idea

[free]

Quote: cariperpaint

In my end of communication, in your opinion I have no idea

But there’s nothing to say! Shameful, Mr. Good.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: free

What is the name of this situation?

"My hut from the edge!"

[rotmistr60]

Beautiful, noble faces look from the photograph. But one could have done otherwise at that time, that’s the question? The British refused to host the royal family even before they fell into the hands of the Bolsheviks, betrayed their own at the time of extrusion of the tsar’s abdication. The new heirs were like a bone in the throat, because elements hostile to Soviet power would be concentrated around living heirs. The fact that this was a crime can certainly be recognized. But was it only in Russia that the tsarist (royal) persons were executed?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Poklonskaya negodue.

Here is another dancer on the bones. Smailiki, hee hee haa. How to live in order to lose the human face

[Kot_Kuzya]

The rag king deserved to die. Here are his sins: the mediocre Russian-Japanese war, in which it was simply impossible to lose, joining the First World War for the sake of the “Serb brothers” and for Anglo-French interests, the trade in Russian blood in the form of sending two corps to France as cannon fodder , millions of killed and mutilated Russian soldiers and officers who were unarmed to attack for the Anglo-French front, a cowardly renunciation of the leadership of the country at its most difficult moment and giving it to the mercy of a bunch of traitors and talkers, and as a result, the loss in WWII and subsequent chaos, the collapse of the country and the Civil War. Absolutely no pity for the crowned scum that brought the empire to the pen. And his brood is also not a pity.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The rag king deserved to die

Lenin rag-earned HELL!

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

The Russo-Japanese War, in which it was simply impossible to lose,

Don’t look at this commander of the couch. You’re sitting on a couch, but you take Kiev in the Donbass.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Absolutely not sorry for the crowned scum,

It's about the Bolsheviks, this is where the really bloody scum. Terrorism is in your blood.

[Kot_Kuzya]

Lenin was not a rag; he was a genius. Your Nikolasha is not even standing on the little toe of Lenin’s foot.
The tsar rag lost to some Japs who, in 1938 and 1939, were attacked by the wort even with the frankly weak Red Army at that time. It is simply incomprehensible to the mind how one could lose to Japan.
In fact, the Red Terror was declared in response to the White Terror. Well, the fact that the Bolsheviks killed enemies to maintain their power, there is nothing abnormal here. Just the power should protect itself by any methods and means. The same Nikolasha, if he had not been a rag, would have simply sent troops to Petrograd and would have shot all the rebels.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Lenin was not a rag; he was a genius.

That's it, you're tired of me already. I hope Putin gets tired of looking at you and suits the Bolsheviks what they arranged for Russia.

[Kot_Kuzya]

poor thing. How absurd and miserable are the monarchies. Just like children, by golly!

[Ruslan Gainutdinov]

Free education, medicine, decent conditions for work and self-development, scientific and technological progress to heaven and unprecedented rates of social and economic growth? Putin, arrange!

[free]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Lenin was not a rag; he was a genius.

That's it, you're tired of me already. I hope Putin gets tired of looking at you and suits the Bolsheviks what they arranged for Russia.

And now, in relation to whom are you calling for a lawlessness? Is it not in relation to the population among whom there are many Russians whose rights you seem to be defending!? So you again pierced Romanov, you protect only your pocket, you will even surrender your masters at the appropriate moment.

[BecmepH]

No

Quote: free

Romanov,

, and - novels. He himself signed that way

[zoolu350]

About the slave of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation hesitated. Oh well. Let Putin restore the borders of Russia from Brest to Kushka, let him put the sex of Europe under political control, let him send an automatic station to Venus and create the Energia launch vehicle, let him pay pensions ... ... Oops, but pensions, then bye into the pockets of the Russian oligarchy .

[Mestny]

And then?
Tell me, what happened after space, victories, the "best in the world" education?
And then all this next generation of communists happily flushed down the toilet.
"Drag every nail from the factory - it's the owner here. Not the guest!"
A familiar expression?
And after all dragged, with rapture. Why so? With such a social program, with such a formation, with such victories?
Yes, everything is simple. Victories are on their own, and most people are on their own.
And this majority, as always, first of all wanted to eat tasty, and more comfortable life. Despite the fierce songs from all the irons about the "new Soviet man" who was finally raised by the CPSU - such a man who needs nothing but the building of communism.
Honestly, capitalism in this sense is much more honest. At least with him no one broadcasts a wild fable about the fact that "everyone is equal."

[zoolu350]

And then your masters got out of the Neovlasians from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, who, for the sake of palaces and, as you say, “eat deliciously and more comfortably”, betrayed the Country and robbed the people, convincing him that the ideology of consumption you professed was the most correct. Now, having a large bowl with nishtyaks, you whitewash the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, on the other you parallel. But what will you sing when the same as you (only toothy) will deprive you of this bowl? Take away the wretched crumbs of the weaker. That’s the whole point of your capitalism.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Mestny

Yes, everything is simple. Victories are on their own, and most people are on their own.
And this majority, as always, first of all wanted to eat tasty, and more comfortable life.

Bravo)) Is your last name accidentally not Lakhnovsky? ... or his student Polypov? Mdya, such ancestors of our ancestors, unfortunately ..

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Lenin was not a rag; he was a genius.

That's it, you're tired of me already. I hope Putin gets tired of looking at you and suits the Bolsheviks what they arranged for Russia.

How does Alexander understand such your attitude? Do you want to lie in machine guns and tra-ta-ta-ta in the people? And who do you think will bring cartridges to you, are you the GDP or the GDP? Although he would rather suit the people with the “goat face” by other methods, and he already is. Recent decisions in economics and social policy.

[Ruslan Gainutdinov]

Kuzma is right, but the correction is: the Bolsheviks defended the power of the Soviets, that is, the real power of the people.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Let me remind you: during the election to the Constituent Assembly, the Bolsheviks received 24% of the vote. Less than a quarter. So they were not any "power of the people". The people answered the Bolsheviks with the Chapan War, the Tambov, Antonov uprising, the uprising in Kronstadt and the Izhevsk-Votkinsk uprising.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

Let me remind you: during the election to the Constituent Assembly, the Bolsheviks received 24% of the vote. Less than a quarter. So they were not any "power of the people". The people answered the Bolsheviks with the Chapan War, the Tambov, Antonov uprising, the uprising in Kronstadt and the Izhevsk-Votkinsk uprising.

It's right. They were no power at the beginning. According to the results of the Civil War, they became power. After the bourgeois government of Kerensky, the power taken from Nicholas II was remarkably lost. Without the support of the population, so probably the Bolsheviks should have lost, the war was just a civil war. When even brother to brother and son for father are not responsible. But what about the evolution of the Bolshevik authorities, where did they start and what achievements have they come to, despite two wars in the country, will we deny it?

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Lenin was not a rag; he was a genius.

Genius ... in terms of reprisals against compatriots:

“burn Baku completely”, take hostages behind the lines, put them ahead of the advancing units of the Red Army, shoot them in the back, send red thugs to areas where the “green” acted, “hang up under the guise of the“ green “(" we will then dump them ") officials, rich, priests, kulaks, landlords. Pay 100 thousand rubles to the killers ...". By the way, money for the "secretly hanged man" (the first "Leninist prizes") turned out to be the only bonus in the country. And to the Caucasus, Lenin periodically sent telegrams of the following content: "We cut everyone."

https://topwar.ru/10023-lenin-vi-v-otnoshenii-rus
skih-strelyat-i-veshat.html

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

even frankly weak at that time the Red Army. It is simply incomprehensible to the mind how one could lose to Japan.

The Red Army fought only with part of the Japanese army - most of it was engaged in the struggle against Chinese rebels. And the Red Army was not in the rear of the militant socialists, organizing terrorist attacks.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

In fact, the Red Terror was declared in response to the White Terror.

Lying. The Red Terror began with the shooting of a demonstration in support of the constituent assembly and then was legitimized by a "decree" of the Bolsheviks. The whites destroyed only the red agitators and executioners, and did not kill, like the red people on the basis of social belonging.

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

he would have brought troops into Petrograd and shot all the rebels.

And he sent troops, which were then detained by telegrams of the conspirators.

[Weyland]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Lenin was not a rag; he was a genius.

The genius of evil!

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

some Japs, which in 1938 and 1939 were pushed by tinsels even the frankly weak Red Army at that time.

and who until 1943 successfully bent the light elves "across the Pacific!

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Well, the fact that the Bolsheviks killed enemies to maintain their power, there is nothing abnormal here.

and they considered almost half the country's population as enemies!

[Reserve buildbat]

Alexander, welcome!))) Learn the story. Red Terror was launched in response to the "White Terror", so do not offend people. Run better to the pit of the pit and back on all fours)))

[prapor55]

Alexander, I would never have thought that I would agree with you on some issue, but here I fully support you. I am surprised at your patience to explain something to this instance.

[Weyland]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

mediocre Russian-Japanese war, in which it was simply impossible to lose,

With the concept of "logistics" you are clearly unfamiliar ....

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

millions of killed and mutilated Russian soldiers and officers who were unarmed to attack for the sake of the Anglo-French front

Killed and missing - 855 (about 268 times less than France)

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

cowardly renunciation of the leadership of the country at its most difficult moment

I would have looked at you in his place, courageous couch!

[fif21]

The people called him "bloody"! How quickly everything is forgotten

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: fif21

The people called him "bloody"

Yeah, Nicholas compared to the Bolsheviks, just a lamb. Here the Bolsheviks then staged a massacre, in Hollywood they will not come up with this

[Hoc vince]

Nicholas II was called "bloody" only by Soviet school history books.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Hoc vince

Nicholas II was called "bloody" only by Soviet school history books.

So in Ukraine, too, Yanukovych is accused of all sins, although everyone knows who made the bloody battle.

[Kot_Kuzya]

So who organized the bloody massacre in Ukraine?

[Hoc vince]

About the "blood":
“It should be noted that the number of death sentences handed down increased sharply after the suppression of the first Russian revolution of 1905. Thus, 1906 were executed in 574, 1907 in 1139, 1908 in 1340, and 1909 in 717. , in1910 — 129, in1911 - 73, in 1912 - 126 people.
There is not a single case (documented) when the request for clemency addressed to His Majesty was rejected by the Monarch.

[solzh]

People called the bloody nicholas, not Soviet textbooks

[free]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: fif21

The people called him "bloody"

Yeah, Nicholas compared to the Bolsheviks, just a lamb. Here the Bolsheviks then staged a massacre, in Hollywood they will not come up with this

Liberal gamma.

[Weyland]

Quote: free

Liberal gamma.

Are you talking about those who muddied the February Revolution? Then I agree!

[prapor55]

All I can’t read is this nonsense, before the white terror !!! Game, revolution occurred as a result of an armed coup (uprising). The people do not know what?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: fif21

The people called him "bloody"!

It was driven by the "bloody" no more than stuffing certain political circles. A simple example - I will come up with a nickname for you, and several people on the site will deliberately refer to you that way. Believe me, it will stick to you quickly.
Nobody calls Peter the 1st bloody, although there is much more blood on him.

[Nehist]

Peter first had the nickname little devil, then the Antichrist, and then the great one))))

[Kot_Kuzya]

Well, actually, his nickname "Great" Peter received deservedly. It was he who pierced Russia’s access to the Baltic in the person of St. Petersburg and the Baltic states, modernized the army and created a fleet, radically revolutionized industry. Although the people of course, laid inordinately, but without this it was impossible.

[Weyland]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Well, actually, his nickname "Great" Peter received deservedly.

and "antichrist" too. One Most Synodic Synod of what it was worth!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: fif21

The people called him "bloody"!

(heavy sigh) He was called bloody for tragedy on a hodynka - because of the incorrect organization of festivities on the day of coronation, panic started there and almost 1 people were trampled. Nicholas, of course, was not to blame for this (questions to the police, well, maybe to the Moscow governor-general, whom, again, Nicholas did not appoint).

[Nehist]

Andrew!!! The tragedy on Khodynka alone would not leave such a nickname. But the attitude of Nicholas to this tragedy just played the role that this nickname stuck to him.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Nehist

Andrew!!! The tragedy on Khodynka alone would not leave such a nickname.

And why? Such a tragedy on the day of coronation - everyone saw a very bad omen in it, and then they believed in it

[sabotage]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

questions to the police, well, maybe to the Moscow governor-general, which, again, was not appointed by Nikolai

Well, the king is good, the boyars are bad ... Did he break someone after the tragedy? Did you make any conclusions?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: sabotage

Well, the king is good, the boyars are bad

Here it’s not necessary, huh :)))))) The tsar is responsible for the boyars when he put them to the post, or if he didn’t dismiss them on time, if their predecessor put them to feed. What is the demand from Nicholas for the actions of Chief Police Officer, who messed up on the day of the coronation? Was he supposed to fire him before he became king, or what?
In general, try to be fair. The reign of Nicholas the 2nd failed, and he created a huge number of real jambs, so do not supplement them with something that he was not to blame :))))

Quote: sabotage

Did he break someone after the tragedy? Did you make any conclusions?

The court minister was demoted to an adviser in the Caucasus, chief police chief and his deputy were dismissed from service.
In general, not too much, but we must understand that under Nicholas in general, sentences were very lenient

[sabotage]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In general, not too much, but we must understand that under Nicholas in general, sentences were very lenient

I agree, the punishment was, conclusions are made. And the tragedy on Khodynka is not his fault.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: sabotage

I agree, the punishment was, conclusions are made. And the tragedy on Khodynka is not his fault.

[Weyland]

Quote: fif21

The people called him "bloody"!

not among the people. and in a liberal intelligentsia!

[Per se.]

The shooting is already a consequence, and the reason is in that England, which firstly pulled Russia into the Entente, that is, into the First World War, and refused to accept the ex-emperor, to provide shelter to him and his family.

But back in the 1917 year. Remembering those days, A. F. Kerensky asks a question - who was really responsible for the refusal to provide asylum in England? He claims that Foreign Minister M. I. Tereshchenko received a letter delivered to him by Ambassador Buchanan at the end of June or at the beginning of July 1917 about this. He suggests that the letter contained a refusal to grant asylum due to "solely domestic policy considerations." A.F. Kerensky also pointed out that this letter stated the following: "The Prime Minister could not advise His Majesty to offer hospitality to people whose pro-German sympathies were well known." And according to the same AF Kerensky, as a result of England’s refusal, the Minister-Chairman, Prince G. Ye. Lvov, instructed him to carry out new preparatory measures to remove the Tsar Family to a safe place.

https://history.wikireading.ru/332472

[Colonel]

Quote: Per se.

reason in that England

Specifically, the reason is the gold that Nikolai kept in an English bank (both personal and the fact that they handed over to Britain secured by military supplies, about 300 tons), well, the British did not need a living Nikolai.

[Per se.]

Quote: colonel

the English did not need a living Nicholas.

In this, they paid off, because they didn’t need a strong Russia even more, and the Soviet Union turned out to be much more dangerous and incomparably stronger than Tsarist Russia for the Anglo-Saxons, both in fact and in terms of development.

[zoolu350]

I have to say a few words in defense of the Fed owners. They proceeded from the political situation prevailing in the Republic of Ingushetia in 1917. Prior to this, they successfully "played" the political leadership of the Republic of Ingushetia and the state of affairs in Russia (the collapse and the war of all against all), testified that they had achieved their goal and Russia was living out its last days. But they did not take into account the political genius of Lenin (an enemy who not only corresponded to them, but also excelled in his ability to form meanings and combinations).

[Maalkavianin]

A great picture of “Charlie” turned out. On the avatar would look great!

[Ruslan Gainutdinov]

Well, happy holiday, monarchists!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

You are either a provocateur or not quite a healthy person, because only such people can "congratulate" on the reprisals against unarmed, defenseless people among whom there are children. But, no, there is another category of people for whom such a murder is a joy - the Nazis.

[Nil]

Perhaps this refers to the procession, which is a festive event for the Orthodox

[Weyland]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

You are either a provocateur or not quite a healthy person, because only such people can "congratulate" on the reprisals against unarmed, defenseless people among whom there are children. But, no, there is another category of people for whom such a murder is a joy - the Nazis.

In vain, lieutenant - today Orthodox celebrate Day of Remembrance of the Royal Martyrs - because on this day they went to heaven and were honored with holiness (It was then. And not in 1980 whether 1991 - - canonization only registers the fact of holiness that existed from the day of death saint)! For information, in Orthodox saints the days of remembrance of saints - in 99% of cases it is their day of death, and often martyred!

[zoolu350]

These "defenseless" people did not hesitate to send millions of ordinary people to death, but for you Teterin simple people are not, but. Therefore, do not be surprised when your "defenseless" patrons from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, ordinary people will tear to pieces.

[Tarikxnumx]

Firstly, neither Nicholas II, nor his family were canonized. They were ranked among the sufferers. Not even to the great martyrs. This is a very big difference according to church canons. Secondly, for good, Nikolai himself, unlike his family, does not even deserve this. For there was not an emperor, but a weak-willed, worthless ruler. At the same time, having managed on the occasion of his bureaucrats to get the nickname "Bloody". Yes, you should not dance on the bones, but also the processions of the Cross are also not necessary ...

[Weyland]

Quote: TarIK2017

Firstly, neither Nicholas II, nor his family were canonized. They were ranked among the sufferers. Not even to the great martyrs.

Chel, judging by his nickname - a clear Muslim, trying to teach Orthodox hagiography? Orthodox faces of holiness include the following categories (alphabetically):
Apostles. Unmercenaries, Blessed, Blessed, Great Martyrs, Confessors, Martyrs, Righteous, Rev. Martyrs, Revs, Prophets, Equal to the Apostles, Saints, Holy Martyrs, Pillars, The Passion-Bearers, Miracle Workers, Holy Fools

[Reserve buildbat]

Caricature, of course, is nonsense. But much more stupid is canonization and these annual dances on the bones.

[Mestny]

These opposites are worth each other.

[Rimlianin]

Short-sighted and indecisive king. Why did he disown Mikhail in favor without first consulting him? Did he not realize that the fall of the monarchy in a warring country would lead not to democracy, but to chaos and collapse? And of course, it’s a pity for the children, it’s terribly simple to imagine what they suffered before death. It is a pity and the former king as a father and a man. Admitting or authorizing the assassination of the Romanov family (hardly anyone will know the truth), the Bolshevik government, headed by Lenin, planted a hooooooshuyu mine under the Soviet regime and the Soviet Union. No considerations and slogans can justify the killing of children. In general, the Romanovs are ordinary civilian victims. As well as those tortured by atamans Semenov and Annenkov, burned by Kolchak’s henchmen ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rimlianin

As well as those tortured by atamans Semenov and Annenkov, burned by Kolchak’s henchmen ..

Trotsky’s punitive expeditions on an armored train forgot to mention!

[Rimlianin]

What does it have to do with it? I just illustrated an example that not only the Reds fired.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rimlianin

that not only the Reds fired.

Of course! Civil war is always worse and more cynical than war with an external adversary. But whites did not have goals to exterminate part of the population as a class.

[Weyland]

Quote: Rimlianin

I just illustrated an example that not only the Reds fired.

but for some reason they did not cite examples of the atrocities of the Reds, such as the "peasants of the Tambov region" poisoned by gas!

[Kudrevkn]

"The remains really belong ..."? The keyword is really! ??? And I REPEATEDLY IN CHILDHOOD I heard a direct executioner and a participant in this execution and the subsequent "disposal" - the exact opposite of everything that the UK claims! And what is there to do, whom to believe? After all, could one doubt the words of the “crazy” old man, finishing off with bayonets the great princesses or the butt of Dr. Botkin, having opened his skull? But what about the clock presented by Nikolai Botkin for his 40th birthday, with which he played many times in childhood? Or with gold pieces of gold, of which there were about a hundred? ("30 silver coins").?

[Private IITR]

the rag-king is the same traitor as Yeltsin and pink salmon. The Bolsheviks did the will of the people. Where are they now, one more thing to go

[hhhhhhh]

The murder is somewhat more complicated, there the British fussed. They killed almost simultaneously not only Nikolai with his family, but many more. They killed the entire Russian elite who could claim Russian gold and more. All.

[Opera]

In the environs of Yekaterinburg, during these tsarist days, Orthodox delegations from all over the world arrived! People came from the USA, Great Britain, Canada, France, Spain, Japan, from all the former provinces of the Russian Empire! Orthodoxy Universal religion! Religious processions and memorial services were held throughout Russia! Tens of millions of Orthodox Christians ask the Lord for forgiveness for the fact that we Russians allowed the murder of God's Anointed One, his family and people faithful to him! This is a terrible Sin! I wrote this word with a capital letter since the blood of the royal family fell on all of us! And for those who now continue to mock demonic dances on the bones and for those who then remained faithful to the Sovereign and now venerate him Saints! Most Russian people then, and a lot (let's face it), have now remained indifferent. Killing the royal family in the Ipatiev House, these geeks killed Russia. And we Russians paid tens and tens of millions of victims for our unbelief and cold blood!
I can not say that it was not a shooting! This KILLING is vile and cowardly! The Bolsheviks did not acknowledge this for a long time then, spreading various rumors! Many of them do not recognize this and now, Lenin did not know, Lenin did not give such an instruction, etc. Vile, cowardly criminals and terrorists are the ones who killed the king with our connivance! That is whom we ourselves have brought to power!
The Byzantium Orthodox Empire imperceptibly left the historical arena. But then there was someone to catch the falling Orthodox cross! Russia lll Rome carried this cross as an intercessor of the Orthodox until those same shots and bayonet strikes! The world has changed for 70 years! There was no other Byzantium, and Russia was mired in blood and godlessness. Can we do it now? I do not know! Whether it will be given to us according to our sins ... This is the case of the Lord, when each of us makes a decision and everyone is responsible! But for those who shot, he stabbed with bayonets finishing a minor boy, young girls ... and then boasted about it and argued - I, I, no I, it was I who shot the Tsar first, I killed, no I, and I am a princess with a bayonet, and I, I, I and their little dog ran on a bayonet around the yard, but I dismembered the corpses ... I have nothing to say. Demons!
Forgive us the sovereign.

[prapor55]

Yes, Demons do not understand what they write for the murder of the tsar for three or four generations will suffer and only then will God forgive Russia. I don’t remember who said it, but it's true. I hope that the grandchildren will only be lucky for the children have already taken away almost everything.

[Opera]

If the Russian people are not aware of what has happened, there can be no question of any forgiveness of God after some time. Russia is the earthly inheritance of the Mother of God and over Russia Her Veil. That and live. However, the Lord’s patience is not unlimited.

[abc_alex]

Excuse me, why should Russian people suffer? For the shooting of the family of citizen Romanov, from whom the hierarchs of the ROC removed the anointing? How many Russian families died under the emperor Romanov from cholera, hunger, typhoid, and plague?
Or maybe it’s just the opposite, maybe God's justice was what the whole Romanov family would perish with the country they brought to the Bolsheviks, to banditry and atheism? Indeed, this is the essence of the monarchy’s power - to bear FULL responsibility for the state entrusted to you by God and its people.

So this is still a big question, who needs to atone for sins before God. For the Russian people, who for centuries have provided the Romanovs with the chic and brilliance of wealth, starving and dying of disease, or the Romanovs, who for centuries have killed and starved the people entrusted to him.

[prapor55]

Do not recall how a person with a historical education when the anointing was removed?

[abc_alex]

When allowed to abdicate.

[prapor55]

That is, this happens automatically? I don’t think so.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: abc_alex

How many Russian families died under the emperor Romanov from cholera, hunger, typhoid, and plague?

Khodynka, Bloody Sunday, Lensky execution. Russian-Japanese, World War I ...

[prapor55]

Judging by the comments, they really do not realize it is clearly visible, unfortunately.

[free]

Quote: Oper

If the Russian people are not aware of what has happened, there can be no question of any forgiveness of God after some time. Russia is the earthly inheritance of the Mother of God and over Russia Her Veil. That and live. However, the Lord’s patience is not unlimited.

It's just funny stop it.

[hhhhhhh]

Since March 3, 1917 he is no sovereign. Nikolai made his choice. He denied it.
It was not the Bolsheviks who arrested him. Nikolai was sued for his crimes.
The children are not guilty, and Nikolai is GUILTY.
When he was anointed, then would Nicholas 2 the Bloody

[Weyland]

Quote: Private OITR

The Bolsheviks did the will of the people.

was a referendum held? Or at least a parody of the court. how about Karl and Louis? do not smack nonsense, it hurts!

[astepanov]

What kind of royal family are we talking about? They shot a certain citizen Romanov, the former king, abdicated. As a king, he sintered much earlier. And why was there no religious procession, for example, to the burial places of the working mines killed at the Lensky execution? Among the others, the citizen Romanov also owned a concession. And the pens in his blood on his armpits. Tired of these foolish dances already. They would have remembered better than those killed in the First World War, in the ineptly lost Russian-Japanese, in the revolution of 905, etc. And before the revolution of 17, the king brought his mediocre rule.

[spektr9]

Well, the authorities are terribly afraid of the repetition of such events, so it drives into the head as many as possible that the supreme cannot be touched ...

[Weyland]

Quote: astepanov

They would have remembered better than those killed in the First World War, in the ineptly lost Russian-Japanese, in the revolution of 905, etc. And before the revolution of 17, the king brought his mediocre rule.

They would have remembered better than those killed in the Second World War, in the ineptly lost Russian-Polish, in the Great Terror. Yes, and before the collapse of the country, the Communists brought their inept rule to 91 years.

[hhhhhhh]

Without Communists, we bloomed directly))))) 25 years we bloom and smell.

[Weyland]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Without Communists, we bloomed right

A tagged. EBN, Putin. DAM, Chubais. Berezovsky until 1991 in which party were they? for the sake of profit, you can change party membership, but the soul remains the black soul of a communist!

[hhhhhhh]

What kind of soul will you be with? Was not a Komsomol member?
"If I perish, please consider me a communist," they said, going to death. Not all communists were Chubais. Gagarin, for example.
You are against the Communists, this is understandable, but for whom are you? For the king?

[Weyland]

Quote: hhhhhhh

You are against the Communists, this is understandable, but for whom are you? For the king?

For the king!

[Karenius]

Quote: Weyland

Quote: hhhhhhh

You are against the Communists, this is understandable, but for whom are you? For the king?

For the king!

And here I recall: Nikolai, who visited our region in the 14th, promised us separation after the war ... The only thing I asked for was that we do not repeat the Bulgarian scenario.
Weyland, if you neutralize the communist vaccine in zoolu350, which he did in childhood, your posts will not differ in patriotism.

[hhhhhhh]

What did Nicholas promise and do?

[Karenius]

Quote: hhhhhhh

What did Nicholas promise and do?

He promised a lot for us and would do to get rid of us :)
Agents of international imperialism didn’t let him do it ...

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

He promised a lot for us

"us" who is this? My ancestors and I got "everything" only under the Bolsheviks.

[Karenius]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Quote: Karenius

He promised a lot for us

"us" who is this? My ancestors and I got "everything" only under the Bolsheviks.

I am writing from Armenia ... I am talking about us, the Armenians in the Republic of Ingushetia, to whom he promised independence and land for his development as a country.
________
But the Bolsheviks did not give you, but Stalin ... Destroying the Bolshevik contagion.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

Quote: hhhhhhh

What did Nicholas promise and do?

He promised a lot for us and would do to get rid of us :)
Agents of international imperialism didn’t let him do it ...

Why do Russian soldiers die for Armenians all the time? Even the Armenians prefer to suffer from distant Armenia. In the Russian Federation or the USA. Armenians cannot have independence alone. It doesn't even make sense to discuss.
Will the "Poles" to whom you surrendered help you now? "At least a kidney, but live in a civilized country"

[Karenius]

Russian soldiers always in history did not die for the Armenians, but for the interests of Muscovy ...
What kind of "Poles" are there? It will always be difficult for us in this world ... The error of our ancestors a thousand years ago predetermined our struggle for survival.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

An ancestral mistake a thousand years ago predetermined our struggle for survival ..

Everyone is to blame, Muscovites, ancestors, the USSR ... only not you personally. You are personally the right anti-communist. anti-Russian is not to blame for anything.
Your ancestors from the USSR. By refusing this, you are refusing Armenia.

[Karenius]

Nonsense in its purest form.
I'm just talking about Bolshevism, as about Freemasonry, the Communists - the traitors of the USSR. I don’t refuse anything from the times of RI and the USSR.
Yes, I have many mistakes - I didn’t shoot the geeks that ruled here after the collapse of the Union.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

Nonsense in its purest form.
I'm just talking about Bolshevism, as about Freemasonry, the Communists - the traitors of the USSR. I don’t refuse anything from the times of RI and the USSR.
Yes, I have many mistakes - I didn’t shoot the geeks that ruled here after the collapse of the Union.

They still rule, what stops you? I still do not understand who you are? Do you just need a reason to "shoot geeks"? What idea are you for? You are against the Bolsheviks, but against the enemies of the Bolsheviks.

[Karenius]

I am for the idea of ​​strong statehood ... and all the means for this are good.
___
Not that the reasons to look - the reasons are in sight.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

I am for the idea of ​​strong statehood ... and all the means for this are good.

Is solo statehood exclusively for Armenians?

[Karenius]

Of my friends that are Russian by blood, no one says that he wants to leave here .... I’m hitting those who survived the 90s from you and returned back.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

Of my friends that are Russian by blood, no one says that he wants to leave here .... I’m hitting those who survived the 90s from you and returned back.

You answer for yourself, not friends. Strong statehood only for Armenians?

[Karenius]

Is it really not clear that for all citizens of Armenia ?!

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

Is it really not clear that for all citizens of Armenia ?!

At whose expense is the banquet? For all citizens of Armenia. Where is the money from? Gas will soon be at world prices and electricity.

[Karenius]

There will be no scum among the proteges of the Moscow kibbutz in our power - there will be money for gas and for a banquet.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

There will be no scum among the proteges of the Moscow kibbutz in our power - there will be money for gas and for a banquet.

25 years did not find money, received gas and electricity at my expense, and now you will find. Well, yes)))) You are a believer in the American dream. )))) Your American dream was covered with a copper basin. And Russia, through pro-American Pashinyans, will make you pay at world prices. Ukraine and the Baltic states are already paying. Now you. You need to live within your means. You.
"Moscow Kibbutz" is anti-Semitism. It is strange to hear from the lips of an Armenian.

[Karenius]

There, instead of the “Moscow Kibbutz”, one should read the “Kremlin Kibbutz”. No anti-Semitism ... Just anti-Zionism. This is from the yoke of the Bolsheviks experienced by our Soviet people.
I repeat. 27.10.99. was only to slander the Armenian ethnos.
____
According to Pashinyan and Washington.
I only know that our young man is very honest in life.
According to the Washington regional committee - the same kibbutz as yours, it does not shine for us anything good.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

There, instead of the “Moscow Kibbutz”, one should read the “Kremlin Kibbutz”. No anti-Semitism ... Just anti-Zionism. This is from the yoke of the Bolsheviks experienced by our Soviet people.
I repeat. 27.10.99. was only to slander the Armenian ethnos.
____
According to Pashinyan and Washington.
I only know that our young man is very honest in life.
According to the Washington regional committee - the same kibbutz as yours, it does not shine for us anything good.

"slander the Armenian ethnos" - why! What is there in the Armenian ethnic group besides the ability to live as far from Armenia as possible?
"Just anti-Zionism. This is from the yoke of the Bolsheviks experienced by our Soviet people." - during the yoke there was a free education medicine housing. 8 hour business day. WHAT HAS HIS Bolshevism. Zionism left their USSR with Trotsky.

[Karenius]

Quote: hhhhhhh

"slander the Armenian ethnos" - why! What is there in the Armenian ethnic group besides the ability to live as far from Armenia as possible?

The territory is needed ours and Georgian for the future Khazars.

Quote: hhhhhhh

WHAT HAS HIS Bolshevism. Zionism left their USSR with Trotsky.

I always wrote: "Leninism + Trotskyism = Zionism. What is not clear? Thanks to Stalin, who prevented us from revealing the wings with my painful dry sight, I could save us all with a filthy broom.
And for the Communists - an example of Zyu is enough to assume what was on their mind with the scoop.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

I always wrote: "Leninism + Trotskyism = Zionism. What is not clear?

As soon as the last Jew is born, a golden age will come. Hitler at the head of civilized Europe has already tried to fulfill your dreams. Stalin prevented?
Maybe you will find a job for yourself and your life will improve.

[Karenius]

I only know from Hitler the contents of his last lifetime interview with a Swedish journalist ... There he accused you Jews of unleashing a massacre.
He wrote ... I have no anti-Semitism, only anti-Zionism. Zarub this in your memory.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

He wrote ... I have no anti-Semitism, only anti-Zionism. Zarub this in your memory.

You are funny))))) firstly, I'm Russian. secondly, internationalist. Thirdly, you are no different from any Nazis. Fourthly, as soon as Azerbaijanis or Turks appear on the horizon, you forget about statehood and shout "Russia MUST save Armenia." We do not owe Natsik anything.
Whose Ararat (Whose Crimea)?

[Karenius]

You’re ridiculous ... You are Russian only by blood, and your head is a servant of Trotsky.
In Crimea, we have very strained relations with Ukraine (or rather, with their kibbutzniks in power), which is already clear to everyone for the first reason.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

You’re ridiculous ... You are Russian only by blood, and your head is a servant of Trotsky.
Across Crimea - we have very strained relations with Ukraine

Not at all. I am against the Trotskyist globalists. I am more for socialism. Socialism is more honest. Not everything was right in the USSR, but children and simple hard workers (of which 80%) lived much happier in the USSR.
The Bible is not a decree for you? Aren't you afraid to go against God?

[Karenius]

Socialism with a human face? Gorby seemed to be pushing about such a thing ... Domoklov’s sword should hang over power, everything else will not be difficult to work out ...
I am not religious.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

Socialism with a human face? Gorby seemed to be pushing about such a thing ... Domoklov’s sword should hang over power, everything else will not be difficult to work out ...
I am not religious.

In Socialism there is more of a human face than in liberalism and capitalism. This was known to Gorbachev.
You are an atheist like the Communists.)))) Nude nude.)))
The sword in whose hands? In what country is the sword over power not allowing power to steal?

[Karenius]

The sword must be in the hands of crystal clear honored people ... Such I know ... there is such a category.
About socialism, liberals and others, you say to the author of the political term "liberalism" with its derivatives. He will return from Sean BAN and will show with his finger that the Armenians always ascribe to themselves other people's thoughts and more. If you show that someone else used this term before me, I will apologize.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

The sword must be in the hands of crystal clear honored people ... Such I know ... there is such a category.
About socialism, liberals and others, you say to the author of the political term "liberalism" with its derivatives. He will return from Sean BAN and will show with his finger that the Armenians always ascribe to themselves other people's thoughts and more. If you show that someone else used this term before me, I will apologize.

You will decide who is worthy and who is not. It smells like a dictatorship. You are against the power of the people.
You are very similar to the Komsomol members of the 20s with fire in your heart and a complete lack of knowledge.
Liberasty- give a definition of what you put in this word

[Karenius]

According to the term ... In mathematics, there is a name for a definition that itself does not require anything else to explain. So it is with my term for liberalism.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

According to the term ... In mathematics, there is a name for a definition that itself does not require anything else to explain. So it is with my term for liberalism.

In the United States, liberals are called leftists. We call liberals globalists.
liberalism requires a precise definition.
You wanted to say Axiom, but it doesn’t roll here.
What do the liberals want?

[Karenius]

Quote: hhhhhhh

In the United States, liberals are called leftists. We call liberals globalists.
liberalism requires a precise definition.
You wanted to say Axiom, but it doesn’t roll here.
What do the liberals want?

I did not talk about the Axiom ... There is, for example, the definition of "determinants".
Liberasty want the same thing as their grandfathers and grandmothers Bolsheviks ... the destruction of Russia.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

I did not talk about the Axiom ... There is, for example, the definition of "determinants".
Liberasty want the same thing as their grandfathers and grandmothers Bolsheviks ... the destruction of Russia.

determinant is the determinant of a square matrix.
What do you care about Russia? You would have to avoid the destruction of the ethnic group.
Did the Bolsheviks destroy Russia with free education, medicine, housing?

[Karenius]

Quote: hhhhhhh

What do you care about Russia? You would have to avoid the destruction of the ethnic group.
Did the Bolsheviks destroy Russia with free education, medicine, housing?

You don't have to pretend to be? Will Russia Bolshevik again - again we will be between the rock and the anvil of the Russian Turkish tandem ...
Do you personally mind that Stalin cut the Bolsheviks as a phenomenon?

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

You don't have to pretend to be? Will Russia Bolshevik again - again we will be between the rock and the anvil of the Russian Turkish tandem ...
Do you personally mind that Stalin cut the Bolsheviks as a phenomenon?

If Stalin cut out as a phenomenon who in 1991 destroyed the USSR.
Regarding the "between", your ancestors made the right choice, Russia, you chose the US globalists.

[Karenius]

Not everyone managed to cut out Stalin ... they killed him himself.
And the Union collapsed KGB Libermanists (Andropovtsy in your opinion).
About the "between." I personally would choose the Chinese as allies ... to be at a distance from the Kremlin and the capitol kibbutz ...

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

Quote: hhhhhhh

What did Nicholas promise and do?

He promised a lot for us and would do to get rid of us :)
Agents of international imperialism didn’t let him do it ...

Find yourself a job.

[Karenius]

my signature of the times of the Union and 10 years after the collapse of the Union was visible in your papers.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Karenius

my signature of the times of the Union and 10 years after the collapse of the Union was visible in your papers.

You are a bot automatically generating nonsense.

[Karenius]

You would have to work on serious topics, and not make up pieces of paper for Zyu's simple tail, in a moment you will knock out red nonsense.

[Weyland]

Quote: Karenius

Weyland, if you neutralize the communist vaccine in zoolu350, which he did in childhood, your posts will not differ in patriotism.

You talk about it like that. as if patriotism is something bad! By the way: in the 1820s, Armenians made up only 20% of the population of Yerevan. Now Armenia is the most mono-ethnic of the countries of the former Union. How did it happen by chance? I doubt it!

[Karenius]

Weyland, where did you see in my words, even indirectly, that patriotism is somehow bad?
I just emphasized that the zoolu350 patriotism, if we discard the Bolshevik component, cannot be distinguished from your patriotism.
By the mono-ethnicity of Yerevan, it’s a long time to explain ... I emphasize only that the Generalissimo, admitting his mistakes, realized that it would be better to resettle the Turk from here ...

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Weyland

For the king!

Under the king, will you be a nobleman or a serf?

[Karenius]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Quote: Weyland

For the king!

Under the king, will you be a nobleman or a serf?

I'm interfering here.
I want to remind you of the Norwegians ... When their jackals shamelessly robbed the petrodollars, their king, the king of theirs, spoke in their parliament and called on the thief to patriotism. It worked, however.

[hhhhhhh]

Putin also called and began to pay taxes.)))

[Karenius]

Apparently, it depends on the "bone" of the tongue.

[Weyland]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Under the king, will you be a nobleman or a serf?

In fact, there were no slaves in RI since 1714. And about yourself - you need to clarify. Great-great-grandfather for participating in the so-called The Kazan conspiracy of 1864 received the chervonets of the camps, but at the same time they deprived him of the nobility or not - he was somehow not interested. In any case, the grandfather fought for the Reds - in the squad left Socialist-Revolutionary Koluzayev, who crushed anti-bolshevtsky "Tashkent rebellion" Bolshevik Osipova. The grimaces of history ...
However, in our time in European monarchies, privileges for persons elevated to the nobility are approximately comparable to those on the "Muscovite social card" - so whether I’m a nobleman or not, it’s not so important: the social card is already there, so that's enough!

[free]

Quote: Weyland

Quote: hhhhhhh

Without Communists, we bloomed right

A tagged. EBN, Putin. DAM, Chubais. Berezovsky until 1991 in which party were they? for the sake of profit, you can change party membership, but the soul remains the black soul of a communist!

And who are you for?

[Weyland]

Quote: free

And who are you for?

For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!

[free]

Quote: Weyland

Quote: free

And who are you for?

For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!

That is, for serfdom, estate society, and religious fooling.

[astepanov]

Quote: Weyland

Would remember better killed in the Second World War

Do you call this World War II the Second World War? Have you forgotten who won it? With Nezalezhnoy write please?

[Weyland]

Quote: astepanov

Do you call this World War II the Second World War?

just mirrored from "to the first world" without any subtext. I, as an Imperial, do not recognize Nezalezhnaya at all as a given!

[hhhhhhh]

from the day of the shooting of the family of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II and members of his family.

firstly, at the time of the execution he was not an emperor.
secondly, the "right" revolutionaries of the interim government arrested and tried him.

[Weyland]

Quote: hhhhhhh

the "right" revolutionaries of the interim government arrested and tried him.

and judged? Did I miss something?

[hhhhhhh]

They started, but it was not before that, they divided power. While the Bolsheviks divided it, they took it away)))

[The Siberian barber]

To the king, and his activities, there may be a different attitude, but it is very sad that the children were killed .. (((

[spektr9]

Yes, only we have a rot that unleashed two wars, put a bunch of people, lost territories and was not able to rule the state at all ...

[Moskovit]

You look at Wikipedia for a start and look at the losses of the entire Russo-Japanese war and say how many were killed and taken prisoner near Vyazma in 1941. And whom you will call nits after that.

[spektr9]

Maybe then you’ll announce how Russian-Japanese ended for Russia and how the Second World War. And what are you wondering about the First World War that is silent?
Or can we compare in what state the country was after Nikolashka, and in what after the death of Stalin (although the latter is not considered a saint)?
And yes, it is undoubtedly a nit and this is still the softest spell

[Moskovit]

Look, I didn’t offend you, and you are watching your language. If you are too lazy, let's take one Kiev operation in 1941: killed and missing, taken prisoner - 616304, wounded - 84240, in total - 700544 people.
Losses of the Russian army from 1914 to 1917:
Combat losses of the Russian army killed in battles (according to various estimates, from 775000 to 911000 people).

If Stalin had been overthrown at 42, I would have looked at what his followers would have said.

[spektr9]

If you had overthrown Stalin at 42, yes I see you know the story well ... That is Stalin is a bad man, the man who won the war (which he tried to avoid in every possible way, and not how he got into the First World War) and raised the statehood to the level of a superpower. Saint Nicholas was a saint because he lost two wars (in the latter he could have not gotten involved at all), because of it darkness was killed by the people (and not only indirectly, remember the bloody Sunday and other festivities), the state economy was completely destroyed, to such an extent that his government had to dismiss Nikolashka
ps You feel how disdainful you are for the people: "He, the saint he put a little !!! And he didn’t achieve anything, do not offend our tsar, he loved Russia !!!" It’s so disgusting
So it was not in vain that they painted a caricature, for such dances and exaltation of the killer are reprehensible

[Moskovit]

First, where did you see me neglecting the victims of the Russian people? On the contrary, it is you who are famously scattered by millions. The mistakes of the Stalinist leadership cost our country much more than the tsarist. Stalin was smarter than Nicholas, cleaned up the country's political field and could do what he wanted. And the “weak” Nikolai felt sorry for the Bolsheviks, so they wrote in milk in prisons and ate their sides in the links. I imagine that the NKVD would do with an analogue of the Bolsheviks in the USSR. Even dust would not be found from them.
Secondly, I did not call Nicholas a saint. He made a huge number of mistakes, but not the Communists to talk about them. They handed over half the country to the Germans and not the whole Far East to the Japanese. Fortunately, the Japs were even more hated by the Americans.

[spektr9]

Ahaha, the bad Communists won the Second World War, built a superpower and created a nuclear weapon that has prevented our country from dying for more than 25 years ...
The good king lost two wars and completely bury the entire economy of the country ...
Well, everything is clear with you

[Moskovit]

Yeah. And who poher USSR? Are not the communists? The Romanovs lasted at least 300 years, but the Communists and 70 could not stand it. Rush further political bankruptcies. Soon in the elections, you will gain less than a percent.

[free]

Quote: Moskovit

Yeah. And who poher USSR? Are not the communists? The Romanovs lasted at least 300 years, but the Communists and 70 could not stand it. Rush further political bankruptcies. Soon in the elections, you will gain less than a percent.

Give you a list of "communists" who have condemned the country? You will be surprised that so many of them are still in various thoughts, are they not falling apart for that?

[hhhhhhh]

Nikolai generally gave the whole country.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Moskovit

look at the losses of the entire Russo-Japanese war and say how many were killed and captured at Vyazma in 1941.

I'm sorry, why are you comparing incomparable things? If you want to compare Stalin and Nicholas II - you should use it, if you take Russian-Japanese, then compare it with the same Khalkhin-Gol. The opponents are the same, and the scale of the battles is more or less comparable.
And your "method" can justify anything. I can then take Khalkhin-Gol Stalin, compare with the actions of Russia in the WWI and declare that Nikolai was worthless against Stalin. And according to your "logic" it will be correct.

[abc_alex]

Let’s understand then really. No one Romanov and his family were considered to be saints. The Russian Orthodox Church proclaimed them stratosphere. It is in the hierarchy of worship three steps below the saint. Translated into Russian, they were proclaimed an example of obedience to God's will in torment and death. ALL.

[Weyland]

Quote: spektr9

He unleashed two wars, laid a bunch of people, lost territory and was not at all able to rule the state

google the life of St. Louis, wise guy - two lost Crusades, by the way - and persecution of Jews ... It's just that his son was able to quickly return the lost territory!

[Mihail55]

Charlie has come to us! Disgusting dancing on the bones! And is this the GREAT first channel? How low the bar fell ...

[Mestny]

This is not the first channel.
This is just one of his employees.
The difference is huge.
This must be understood, and not jump with a tambourine, shouting cheap areal slogans.

[Nychego]

On the night of July 17, 1918, in the basement of the house there was a little thieves (and where would the money for a cool house come from? That's right, brother - general), the road engineer Ipatiev, the Romanov family, Dr. Botkin-ml. and three people servants.
There was no king in that house. There was no tsar in Russia at that time. It happened historically ...

[wooja]

It is not good to mock the dead ... human memory is a strange phenomenon, but the fact that HIS death, his guilt is a fact, or rather he is a symbol of this guilt, the forerunner of Gorbachev ... history tends to repeat itself and is by no means a farce. Judah of the Russian land, .... Children .. it’s a pity of course .... but they are the children of the Ruler, and this is their way ... since it happened, it means that it is fair ....

[Royalist]

Quote: Titsen

Rastrel is cruel.

But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

Contact the Holy Synod on this subject.

[Wanzalec]

Oh duraaaak! Poklonskaya will gobble him up for this.

[Nychego]

Quote: Wanzalec

Poklonskaya will devour him

She, most likely, will come up with even greater stupidity than Ermakov.
By the way, is this Ermakov not a descendant of Ermakov, who (quite likely) was the main one in the “shooting” team?

[Royalist]

[quote = spektr9] Yes, only we have a rot that unleashed two wars, put a bunch of people, lost territories and was not able to rule the state as a saint ... Next we will raise Borka for - a great drunken martyr.
Nikolai 2 is partly to blame for the REV, and Nikolai hoped for peace until the LAST.

[spektr9]

What difference did he hope that the people were killed because of him more than one maniac could not be compared, but he was a holy martyr, and those who died because of him hellish sinners? Further, who survived after his reign received a completely ruined country, that's how well he ruled ... It is so good that his own government overthrew
PS something sacrifice in concentration camps, we are not holy martyrs, but this of course is a poor king

[Mestny]

Well, what about?
Autocrat, for a minute.
It is he who is responsible for everything that happens. that’s the point.
For example, many are yelling now. that Putin is responsible for everything, although he is far from being autocrat, not even close. And for some reason this is considered normal.
And in the case of H2, why should this be wrong?
Who cares what he hoped there? The result is important - managerial and personnel decisions. He is known to all.

[AnpeL]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich,
something reminiscent of true reality

[Moskovit]

If we talk about the incompetent leadership, it is better to recall boilers of 41 years, where more people were lost than in the Russian-Japanese and WWI combined, and several times. It’s ridiculous to hear about the “bloody” Nikolai after the official figures, a note to Khrushchev: According to the data available in the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the period from 1921 to the present (this is 54 years). 3 people were convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes by the OGPU Board, NKVD troika, the Special Conference, the Military College, the courts and military tribunals, including:

to VMN - 642 980 people,

to detention in camps and prisons for a term of 25 years and below - 2 people,

765 people in exile and deportation.

I do not take dispossession, deportation of entire nations and so on.

[Andrey VOV]

I was not too lazy, carefully read all the comments, in general, everything was as I expected .. BUT ... dear, who writes that Nicholas is canonized! There wasn’t that!
He was glorified (along with his wife and children) as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church as a martyr on August 20, 2000 [12], earlier, in 1981, he was glorified by the Russian Church Abroad as a martyr. And this is completely different, anyone interested read.

[Horon]

Those who discuss this topic either do not want to understand, or provoke a specially conflict.

[Opera]

That's what the Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna wrote not long before the murder. This is a prayer in verse.
Send us, Lord, patience. In a year of stormy, gloomy days. To endure the persecution of people and the torture of our pa
lachey. Give us strength, O right God, forgive the neighbor's gloating. And the cross heavy and bloody to meet with Your meekness. And in the days of rebellious excitement, when the enemies rob us to endure shame and insult, Christ the Savior help. Lord of the world, God of the universe bless us with a prayer ... And give rest to a humble soul in an unbearable terrible hour. And on the eve of the grave’s grave, inhale the mouth of Your slaves with inhuman forces — pray meekly for the enemies.
The entire Holy Royal Family are intercessors of Russia! And the Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna now offers prayers for you blasphemers, so that God will wise you. Those of course who have at least a drop of conscience. Even a little drop like that ...

[abc_alex]

God forbid, from such defenders! On this "holy family" the blood of two lost wars, and on their conscience a luxurious life, when 70% of the country died every three years with hunger and thousands died of cholera.
Or little did the Lord send Signs? One Khodynka was worth it!

[free]

Quote: Oper

That's what the Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna wrote not long before the murder. This is a prayer in verse.
Send us, Lord, patience. In a year of stormy, gloomy days. To endure the persecution of people and the torture of our pa
lachey. Give us strength, O right God, forgive the neighbor's gloating. And the cross heavy and bloody to meet with Your meekness. And in the days of rebellious excitement, when the enemies rob us to endure shame and insult, Christ the Savior help. Lord of the world, God of the universe bless us with a prayer ... And give rest to a humble soul in an unbearable terrible hour. And on the eve of the grave’s grave, inhale the mouth of Your slaves with inhuman forces — pray meekly for the enemies.
The entire Holy Royal Family are intercessors of Russia! And the Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna now offers prayers for you blasphemers, so that God will wise you. Those of course who have at least a drop of conscience. Even a little drop like that ...

The church has a class affiliation (that is, it defends the interests of a certain class a, namely the bourgeois) it would be time to know. But I have nothing against the moral foundation of the Orthodox faith. But where is VERA a, where is the church.

[bober1982]

Dear Igor, these lines ......... Send us, Lord, patience......, wrote Sergey Sergeevich Bekhteev, Olga Nikolaevna is mistakenly attributed to the authorship of these lines, and quite a common opinion.

[Weyland]

Quote: Andrey VOV

He was glorified (along with his wife and children) as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church as a martyr on August 20, 2000 [12], earlier, in 1981, he was glorified by the Russian Church Abroad as a martyr. And this is completely different

For the most sophisticated in hagiography I explain:
Orthodox faces holiness include the following categories (alphabetically):
Apostles. Blessed, Believers, Blessed, Great Martyrs, Confessors, Martyrs Righteous, Rev.Martyrs, Revs, Prophets, Equal to the Apostles, Saints, Holy Martyrs, Pillars, The Martyrs, Miracle Workers, Holy Fools

[Horon]

In fact, Nicholas II is a martyr (martyr), and not a saint! As a politician, he was bad, but kicking the dead is disgusting!

[9PA]

Anointed of God, is it usurpation of power by the monarch + ROC? Bosota our education from whom received?

[Opera]

For clever clever men, Sovereign Nikolai ll is glorified in the face of the Orthodox Saints, as Tsar the Passion-Bearer!

[abc_alex]

Yes, that's just a strange thing, in 1917 the Church in the person of the Synod not only did not oppose the abdication of Nicholas, but also did not oppose the overthrow of the monarchy. Moreover, she actively supported the Provisional Government. If the abdication of Nicholas himself in favor of his brother can somehow be laid down in the canon, but the support of democracy is a TRIEST of faith. How are Orthodox monarchists like to stigmatize Republicans:

everything is determined by a majority of votes, and, in the end, by those who shout louder: We do not want Him, but Barabbas - not Christ, but the Antichrist.

So?

So it may be for the beginning of the Russian Orthodox Church to recognize the act of betrayal of Russia in 1917. To repent before the Russian people and God for apostasy, for cowardice and the desire for worldly tranquility in a year of torment and throwing? And then moralizations on the topic from the heirs of those who, together with the monarchy plunged the country into the chaos of revolution, somehow look sultry.

[Weyland]

Quote: Horon

In fact, Nicholas II is a martyr (martyr), and not a saint!

Orthodox faces holiness include the following categories (alphabetically):
Apostles. Blessed, Believers, Blessed, Great Martyrs, Confessors, Martyrs Righteous, Rev.Martyrs, Revs, Prophets, Equal to the Apostles, Saints, Holy Martyrs, Pillars, The Passion-Bearers, Miracle Workers, Holy Fools

[Faceless]

I do not want to dive into issues of history. My opinion is that it was not in vain that Nicholas II was counted among the saints, and he loved Russia as much as all its emperors, doing everything he could for it. Many, mainly the older generation, brought up in the spirit of a different ideology, a different opinion, to which I also respect. 70 years of a different ideology is also the history of my country, which needs to be understood, accepted and in which there is something to be proud of. This is not about that.

Mocking the tragedy of his own history is immoral. Sorry, but you don’t have to have brains in order to draw this, regardless of how you relate to the emperor of the Russian Empire, abdicated and saints. This act is on a par with the “punk prayer” in the temple, and caricatures of Charlie Ebdo. This is stupidity, hopeless ignorance and banal disrespect for readers. And for the editor - this is generally unsuitability.

[kakvastam]

One can argue about holiness, but the inadmissibility of dancing on the bones and insulting other people's feelings is obvious.
The purpose of such provocations is to contrast one another with supporters of two similar, oddly enough, ideologies. Liberals, from time immemorial they love to push their opponents with their foreheads.

[Opera]

Are you a believer? Orthodox Christian? Do you understand what you’re talking about in order to argue? Really looking forward to your reply.

[kakvastam]

That is, dancing on the bones do you consider permissible?

[Weyland]

Igor implies that the Orthodox basically not allowed to challenge the holiness of those whom the Church officially ranked as saints!

[Opera]

Thank you, Konstantin.) The comrade answered, he really does not understand what he is talking about.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich,
You seem to have studied alternative reality history. The activities of Nicholas 2 at the post of Glavkoverkh in detail understood the "VO" https://topwar.ru/113381-imperator-nikolay-ii-kak
-military-deyatel-rossii-v-period-pervoy-mirovoy-v
oyny-chast-3.html

He spent the whole day from morning to night disappearing at Headquarters, organizing the work of the army.

[Opera]

Hello Lieutenant, it’s good that you posted this information. But the vast majority of them will not read anything! For them, the textbook is the history of the USSR and the collected works of Lenin with the statements of the leader about the Russian people, extinct from it, the gospel! Although if a couple of people read, good!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Hello, dear Oper! I don’t particularly count on the fanatical “red” reading this article, but a normal person, following the link and reading the article, will inevitably reflect on the neo-Bolshevik mythology about Nicholas II and will be able to soberly evaluate his role in Russian history.

[kakvastam]

"Lieutenant", illiteracy is unacceptable for a monarchist.
Bother to treat your native language with due respect!

[Opera]

Usually this happens when a woman has nothing more to write to a man realizing that she is not right or nothing to say, she goes to the person! Correcting spelling mistakes is generally a favorite trick! Be a man like you there!

[kakvastam]

If you are a fan of certain values, take the trouble to somehow correspond to them.
Illiterate speech disgusts and makes it difficult to understand the text, which means it prevents you from communicating your thoughts to others, and also reduces the level of confidence in the content in advance. In the end, this is disrespectful to the reader!
Aggression, labeling, declaring yourself and your like-minded people “normal” only leads to raising barriers, but it seems to me much more important to find common ground and build interaction in the name of public good.

[spektr9]

Actually as a result of which two wars were lost, oh what a wonderful king

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Russian-Japanese we lost as a result of terror in the rear. And the First World ... Nicholas II won it. Under Brest shame are the signatures of the Bolsheviks, not the Emperor.

[spektr9]

Yes, yes, they won so much that by the end of the war, mass desertion in the army began, and there, apart from Brusilov, neither the tsar nor the retinue thought about victory at all ... And yes, of course, the tsar was not responsible for the fact that he could not suppress terror
Wow, the bad Bolsheviks brought the country to the superpower, it’s our king who is all about .... he’s good

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Quote: spektr9

Yes, yes, they won so much that by the end of the war, mass desertion in the army had begun,

Again, stories based on the Short Course of the History of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks?

Quote: spektr9

And yes, of course, the king is not responsible for the fact that he could not suppress terror

Do you think that suppressing terror is a matter of one or two months? Especially if terrorists are supplied from abroad.

Quote: spektr9

Wow the bad Bolsheviks brought the country to the superpower,

At the expense of tens of millions who died in the Second World War, millions who died of hunger as a result of the insane policy of "collectivization". Korolev - Genius, exactly so, with a capital letter. Zhukov and Gagarin - Heroes. But how many more Zhukovs, Gagarins, Korolevs died at the hands of the NKVD’s "investigators" and the bullying of the camp guards? And how many were tortured by the Nazis who reached the Volga?
And yes, according to the results of the WWII, the Russian sphere of influence would include not only the same countries as after the Second World War, but also Northern Iran and the Straits. If it were not for the mediocrity, the Bolsheviks, who managed to lose the war in defeated Germany, would enter.

[spektr9]

And how many were tortured by the Nazis

And the Bolsheviks are also to blame for this?

Again, stories based on the Short Course of the History of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks?

Yes, there’s only one little link that didn’t survive, my great-grandfather reached the age of 90 and managed to tell how no one had fled the fields of the First World War. And forgive him more trust than your brainwashed ...

But how many more Zhukovs, Gagarins, Korolevs died at the hands of the NKVD’s "investigators" and the bullying of the camp guard?

And how many geniuses in Russia were ruined by the kings, it’s generally sad to become

Oh, another brainwashed fanatic who wants to rinse them with others, but forgive me not

[Faceless]

Even in your example ... Why is the victory of the Russian army called "Brusilovsky breakthrough"? Give at least one example before the victory was named after the commander in the Republic of Ingushetia? Lutsk-Chernivtsi battle - so in all Western textbooks (a couple of similar names, but without Brusilov's name). This is a good example of the propaganda of the Bolsheviks. Why Brusilovsky? - so as not to attribute the victory to the Emperor. The role of Brusilov himself on genius does not pull. Yes, instead of one main blow, he sprayed his forces and provided for the main blow for all 4 armies (Golovin and Lichitsky distinguished themselves most if my memory serves me right). But he did not even bother about reserves, therefore, there was nothing to develop success for the armies that had reached the operational expanse.

Brusilov himself is an ambiguous figure. Disgusting character, love to ascribe successes to themselves, and failures - to all the others did their job. He collaborated with the Reds, because white historians belittled his dignity, while the Reds exalted him to heaven. To complete the picture - two versions of memories. The first is pro-Soviet, the second, already in exile, is anti-Soviet (it ended up in the USSR only after the Second World War). After the Second World War, by the way, there was a significant change in his ideological attitude. Even here - an uncountable number of questions requiring study.

Unfortunately, as before, many crowds of people who are illiterate and careless about history are not being translated. These have only 2 colors: black and white. This is the path to dullness.
And Nicholas II, and Peter I, and Stalin, and Khrushchev and Gorbachev and Yeltsin and all the rest were ambiguous figures. Each of them did something good, and something bad. Someone more in plus, someone more in minus. To evaluate this indiscriminately and unequivocally is illiteracy and wrecking.

As an example of a personal relationship, I am a convinced monarchist, like my whole family, despite the 21st century and Soviet upbringing. But I am not an anti-adviser. What the Bolsheviks did in 1917-1918 and a few years later is a disaster for my homeland. One of the greatest technological revolutions, one of our greatest achievements, even though we had to sacrifice the comfortable life of two generations for that, and this, apart from total mobilization and overstrain, was the way Stalin lifted her from her knees, taking it with plow and leaving with the atomic bomb forces of the people in the Second World War. I am proud of every achievement of my Motherland and grieve over her mistakes and failures, and I believe that every patriot should treat his country like that.

[kakvastam]

I am proud of every achievement of my Motherland and grieve over her mistakes and failures, and I believe that every patriot should treat his country like that.

It is love for the homeland that brings sane monarchists and sane communists closer together. Supporters of both ideologies recognize the priority of public interests over personal ones, they simply represent society a little differently, but these are details, the main thing is that society in both cases is perceived as a system, and not as an environment. By the way, precisely for this reason, the liberals are making considerable efforts to pit monarchists and communists.

[Weyland]

Quote: Faceless

Yes, he sprayed his strength instead of one main blow

So the enemy could not guess. which direction will be the main one (and in fact - where the best thing went, then it became the main one)

[Weyland]

Quote: spektr9

Yes, yes, they won so much that by the end of the war, mass desertion in the army had begun,

was - only it was after February!

[kakvastam]

Terror in the rear, say ...
Read "In the Japanese War" by Veresaev, there was no terror there.

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Veresaev:
1 - was at the front, and was not a staff officer who had access to all the data.
2 - sympathized with the Marxists.
3 - his "In the Japanese War" was first published in 1928. With editorial "denunciations of the bloody tsarism."

[kakvastam]

Probably the Bolsheviks also sentenced Stessel to execution?
And Veresaev wrote exclusively about his observations, which is why he is interesting.

[Weyland]

Quote: kakvastam

Probably the Bolsheviks also sentenced Stessel to execution?

It was just necessary to find a scapegoat - it was no accident that the Sovereign had mercy on him a year later!
The commission of inquiry, which was examining the Port Arthur case, found in Stessel’s actions signs of a number of crimes, and the prosecution consisted of many points. However, in court it almost completely collapsed, shrinking to three points:
1) surrendered the fortress to the Japanese troops, without using all means for further defense;
2) power failure;
3) unimportant violation of official duties.
By “inaction of the authorities” was meant the following: in Port Arthur, Lieutenant General A.V. Fock criticized the actions of persons not subject to him in a mocking tone, and Stessel did not stop this. For this "inaction of the authorities," Stessel was then given a month of guardhouse. The third paragraph was called an unimportant court itself.
There is only one item left (first), and (see wording) - there is nothing about cowardice, mediocrity, incompetence or betrayal. Moreover, the verdict of the Supreme Military Criminal Court in the case of the surrender of the Port Arthur fortress recognized that the fortress "underwent an defense that was unprecedented in persistence in the annals of military history under the direction of Lieutenant General Stessel". When Stessel was amnestied by Nicholas II, a number of former Port Arutra defenders welcomed this decision.

[kakvastam]

The need to search for a scapegoat just indicates that the defeat was caused precisely by the internal problems of the Empire ...

[abc_alex]

Of course, for actions in the Far East, the state of affairs in St. Petersburg and Moscow was critically important. You yourself are not funny? Or do you mean the immediate rear of the army? So, who, if not a noble estate class officer at that moment, was obliged to prevent "terror in the rear"?
But that's not the point. The fact is that if it were not for the wooden spine of the monarchy, a war with Japan could have been avoided altogether. Show the ruling house of Russia more respect for the Japanese, and to get in the person of Japan an ally in the Far East was completely real. If 1MV was incredibly difficult to avoid, then Russian-Japanese avoidance was quite real. But the monarchy WANTED a war. And I got it. True, not the same as maril.

And about winning 1MB - this is generally some kind of alternative. Russia, in the hot of war, was defeated primarily economically. The whole system of the national economy collapsed. Inflation has gone over the top, even for double digits, it has reached three digits. The monarchy introduced the compulsory surrender of bread in the country — yes, that very extra surplus. The country's defense industry was not just not ready for war, it simply wasn’t. The country entered the world war without an established system for providing the army with rifles and shells. You, like many monarchists, confuse the obvious things. The army held the front. But Russia by 1917 disintegrated as a state structure.

What would you understand, in 1941 the Bolsheviks suffered a catastrophic military defeat, comparable only to the defeat of Russia in the war of 1812 and much more serious than the military defeat of Russia in WW1. But neither in 1941 nor in 1812 the state in Russia disintegrated. Therefore there were victorious 1814 and 1945.
And in 1916-1917, the state spread like a rotten rag, and it was because of this that revolutionaries of all stripes got out.

[AK64]

Both wars were won. You just don't know

[Opera]

Japanese was not lost! Russia did not leave the Far East and retained influence in Asia, which Japan naturally did not want, and this was precisely what it was striving to unleash a war supported by the Western powers! The world was won. How could a revolution in the country be won? In a hurry ...

[abc_alex]

Russia lost all of Sakhalin and left Port Arthur. In fact, the very purpose of Rossi’s presence in Manchuria, an ice-free port in the Pacific Ocean, has disappeared. But the Japanese did not have a goal to expel Russia from the Far East. Their territories in general were of little interest to us. Not populated, cold. For them, China was a welcome goal. More Kuril Islands and Sakhalin. They got everything.
The goal of Japan was much more modest - to get a foothold on the mainland. Actually the role of Russia there was of little interest to anyone. Just to get the support of the Anglo-Saxons for the war with the Russians was real. And it turned out to be strange to get Russian support ...

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Kot_Kuzya,
Excuse me, Goloshchekin, Yurovsky, Sverdlov - is that what the Socialist Revolutionaries were?

[Opera]

This murder was a world-wide tragedy! Here it is necessary to understand such a thing - according to the revelations of the Holy Fathers, the Orthodox Empire is the restraining Holy power from reigning in the world of evil! Killing the Tsar the servant of God, these bastards killed Orthodox Russia! All their tales about defeats in wars and spitting on the Tsar, obgazhivaniya of the Russian state itself is just an excuse for this terrible crime! The Tsars of Russia gathered the whole history of the land — thank God they did not squander everything! You see, Lieutenant, you must ask each of them asking such questions. Would you personally step on the chest with a sick, injured minor boy and finish him off with shots to the head ?! And you, comrade, would PERSONALLY finish off a bayonet of wounded girls ?! You can talk further only with those who answer no!

[spektr9]

This murder was a world-wide tragedy!

Something like that low take, universal

[Opera]

No. Namely world.

[spektr9]

Well, however, some historians say that at the time of the royal family in the Texas region, they saw a sunken UFO against which small green men cried ... So we still do not know the faded truth about the size of the tragedy

[Opera]

I have no doubt that often you and something cooler than UFOs are watching! This is your own business. The king is completely out of work here! I remind you personally that Nikolai ll was the initiator of the Hague Conference at which questions of general disarmament were first raised! This shocked all leftists from liberals to Marxists - "the tsar is bloody!" During the victorious end of the war, Russia became the only world power in the world gaining control of Constantinople and the straits ... In just a few months! Well, how could the Western powers (allies) allow this, and Lenin from Germany and Trotsky from the USA and England went on in an endless stream of money ... In Germany, by that time the famine was just beginning and Russia needed to leave the war like air! The Bolsheviks in the Brest Peace paid with them in full! However, the owners threw them-took and surrendered in just a few months !!! Ah, ah ...
I will personally tell you the agro-endemic Bolshevik secret “Budenovskoe” and the leather uniform in which the Bolsheviks loved to flaunt it was sewn for the parade of the tsarist Russian army in Berlin! Can you imagine?

[spektr9]

I have no doubt that often you and something cooler than UFOs are watching!

I'm watching you here, with comments worse than UFOs

The king is completely out of work here!

Right? Perhaps he participated in the 3rd war of Jupiter against the reptilians and of course won, so they mourned him

The Hague Conference at which issues of general disarmament were first raised!

This is undoubtedly the achievement of the century, and he was also sitting on the chair of Peter the Great himself (it will even be cooler)

During the victorious end of the war, Russia became the only world power in the world gaining control of Constantinople and the Straits

Oh, and if we continued the war the whole world would be at our feet ..

Well, how could the Western powers (allies) allow this, and money went to Lenin from Germany to Trotsky from the USA and England in an endless stream ...

The poor king didn’t have money, and he couldn’t resist such minds

However, the owners threw them-took and surrendered in just a few months !!!

However, this is definitely cooler than a UFO such a fantasy flight

I will personally tell you the agro-endemic Bolshevik secret “Budenovskoe” and the leather uniform in which the Bolsheviks loved to flaunt it was sewn for the parade of the tsarist Russian army in Berlin! Imagine

I’ll also tell you, I have panties that are sewn for the parade on Mars

[Opera]

Do I really have to answer something ?! Nevertheless, thanks for these your comments. Of course, people will have something to compare.

[Andrey VOV]

And what would you do when going into the raid discreetly and your group was noticed by a local shepherd ...? You have a hundred souls of soldiers who have moms, folders, etc ... let go the cowgirl and sign the sentence to your group and you or do not let go the cowgirl and save lives and complete the task and destroy the enemy?

[Weyland]

Quote: Andrey VOV

. let go of the shepherd and sign the verdict to your group and you or not let go of the shepherd and save lives and fulfill the task and destroy the enemy?

North Korean special forces once really failed in this way: they ran into South Korean lumberjacks and did not begin to kill them as "class close" - well, those essno. they immediately informed where it was necessary ... But there is no need to distort it: the murder of the Royal Martyrs did not prevent any threats communist authorities - White did not fight for the monarchy. but for the "constituent assembly" (and therefore lost)!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Dear Opera, I understand all this perfectly ... Unlike the "comrades" who imagine themselves to be the "harsh executioners of the People’s Justice", but in fact they don’t understand what murder really is. What to kill is really disgusting and scary. This will say any sane person who has been to a real war. And that killing unarmed girls and a sick teenager is doubly disgusting, a mentally healthy person will never do this.

[Nehist]

Oh Lieutenant, how wrong you are! A mentally healthy person can still do such a thing !!! Do you have enough examples of Hiroshima from Nagasaki? Well, or Buchenwald with Auschwitz !!! All this was organized and attended by normal and mentally healthy people.

[Weyland]

Quote: Lieutenant Teterin

And that killing unarmed girls and a sick teenager is doubly disgusting, a mentally healthy person will never do this.

Lieutenant , read about the Milgram experiment (1963) and the Stanford prison experiment (1971) - you will find out how easily and simply a normal person turns into a complete monster if he is not able to think independently and self-critically.

[Zebus]

[/ quote] ... This publication divided the public into two camps .... [quote]

What are these two camps?
T.N. “monarchists”, if they accumulate a dozen percent of the total population, and then most of those for whom propaganda has a good fortune, who don’t know a damn about the “achievements” of Nikolashka-2, that’s good!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Not 10 percent, but 57.

57 percent of Russians called the shooting of the family of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II "a monstrous, unjustified crime." These are the results of a VTsIOM survey conducted on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the death of the royal family and their devoted servants in the basement of the Ipatiev house in Yekaterinburg on the night of July 16-17, 1918.

https://rg.ru/2018/07/16/vciom-rossiiane-ne-nashl
i-opravdaniia-rasstrelu-semi-nikolaia-ii.html

[spektr9]

No, I'm sorry, but frank idiots are still less than 57%

[Lieutenant Teterin]

Are you healthy people who consider the massacre of unarmed people, including women and children, the so-called? Then you will be comfortable in the company of Hitler, Chikatilo and other maniacs. It was precisely such killings that they considered routine.

[spektr9]

This I call those who believe that the person who committed

the killing of unarmed people, including women and children

must be erected in the face of the holy martyrs

Then you will be comfortable in the company of Hitler, Chikatilo and other maniacs.

Why should I, it's your privilege to be proud of such personalities and yes, Nikolai was one of them (everyone remembers the bloody Sunday)

It was precisely such murders that he considered routine.

ps and yet our king Chikatilu then surpassed

[vladmort]

Quote: spektr9

No, I'm sorry, but frank idiots are still less than 57%

Of course, fewer outright idiots and scum 43%.

[spektr9]

I think 10% percent, although they ascribe 57% to themselves

[vladmort]

Quote: spektr9

I think 10% percent, although they ascribe 57% to themselves

I got the impression that thinking is not yours. Try yourself in a different field of activity.

[spektr9]

In brainwashing you? So here they tried without me

[vladmort]

Quote: spektr9

In brainwashing you? So here they tried without me

Well, of course, your flushing is the most kosher.

[Weyland]

Quote: Zebus

T.N. "monarchists" if you gain ten percent of the total population

it’s even more than 7,70% voted for the communists (for 11,77% of Grudinin is not from 100% of voters. But from 65,44% of turnout!)

[kakvastam]

prapor55,
But did the Bolsheviks force the monarch to abdicate, which ultimately led to the abolition of the monarchy?
Too freely to interpret history please.

[prapor55]

And I wrote that the Bolsheviks?

[sib.ataman]

In the Orthodox tradition, it is not customary to talk about the deceased badly. Who does this, obviously a provocateur! Especially when you consider that the discrediting of the royal family began long before the October Revolution! It was replete with a mass of informational stuffing (speaking in modern language), not confirmed by anyone or anything, i.e. in fact, by khorivnicheskoy defamation, which led to a complete drop in confidence in the supreme power on the part of the population, its weakening, which led to a coup d'etat! And all this happened during the World War! The main organizers and performers of this vile company (and in fact, special operations, of which we have already seen enough these days, Mama do not grieve!), As well as nowadays, the then Russian liberoids, by whose order, probably, to explain to anyone today not necessary! That special operation looks very much like the current one: with doping, newcomers, interventions in the US presidential election, and other plot twists! Only full id_i_ot (clinical patient), or pretending to be one, can see this! The goals and objectives of these special operations are completely identical! Like the tricks used! Simply, Nicholas II underestimated the know-how of the west then (still there was still a novelty!). Those who still perform dances with tambourines around him (the king) are trying to continue this special operation, but already in the context of today, that is, to launch Russia according to the Ukrainian scenario, or better, a civil war-2!
Not a bad thing, huh?

[Nikolay71]

After 100 years, the revolution has smelled again, isn’t it? The current "elites", like those, solve all problems at the expense of the people.

[spektr9]

The current ones are smarter, they have created their own liberal opposition, are engaged in mass propaganda, have made the appearance of a multiparty system ... So now it’s not Nikolashka, but much more dangerous

[Opera]

Tortured to wait this time!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nikolay71

the revolution smelled again, don’t you? N

You are a hopelessly bygone past, to hell with you, not a revolution. Maidanschiki sucks, just howl, whine and ride in the squares. Work go

[kakvastam]

The trouble is that any attempt to revolutionize the system in today's conditions will lead to disastrous consequences - they will tear to pieces at the moment!
And the majority of the population is still far from real problems, it still does not smell of despair.

[Nikolaevich I]

They say a person is a style. And in the case of the last emperor of Russia, Nicholas II, his characteristic style was most clearly manifested in his resolutions on all kinds of reports. These resolutions are concise, accurate, aphoristic and always on the case. However, judge for yourself.

On the message that two counties have introduced universal primary education for 6-12 years, the tsar’s hand says: “HOW MUCH SPEAKED, Nothing to hurry with!” Moreover, the words “introduce universal education” are irritated by His Majesty’s hand.

The Kherson governor reports that cases of offenses in working areas have become more frequent. The tsar is laconic: "ROSGI!"

From Astrakhan they write about the “glaring need” for the construction of a second gymnasium in the city. But to the tsar this is “not according to the law”: “IN NO CASE DO NOT GYMNASIS, BUT IT IS A TECHNICAL SCHOOL”.

From the Baltic city of Tukkums in 1905, they report that the rebellion was crushed without opening fire. The good monarch is again dissatisfied: "IT WAS TO DESTROY THE WHOLE CITY."

From the Far East they report the arrival of "anarchist-agitators", the highest hand draws his sentence: "Detained to hang." And really, why all this trouble with the courts and the investigation, when there is a higher eye, seeing everything through ...

Witte reports that Richter gendarmes in the Baltic states shoot peasants without any formalities. Resolution of the Sovereign: “HAY FELLOW YOU!”

The Council of Ministers proposes to free children of poor parents from tuition. The king, clearly sensing in this an attempt on the foundations of enlightenment, imposes a resolution: “I AM AGAINST EXEMPTIONS FROM THE FEE FOR TEACHING”.

In a Riga prison, prisoners were shot in connection with some troubles. And then the merciful emperor, now elevated to the saints, clearly not dedicated to the details of the incident, is completely satisfied: “YOUNG CONFERENCE! DON'T LOSE! ".

The officers of the Fanagoriya regiment ordered the soldiers to shoot at the crowd of strikers, there are killed. Shot subsequently by the monarch: "THE TSAR'S THANKS TO YOUNG FANAGORIANS!"

From Ufa they report that a working demonstration was shot, 47 people were killed. The sovereign is sad: "SORRY THAT IS SMALL."

General Kazbek reports that the riot of soldiers under the red flag was suppressed without bloodshed. The king shakes his head reproachfully: “I SHOULD, I SHOULD SHOOT ...”

They write from Vologda that the strikers are imprisoned in “working houses”, where they are forced to “work out the losses caused by their labor”. Tsar: "YES - AFTER ROSOG."

The State Council advocated the abolition of the right of the police to flog at its discretion any peasant. The emperor vigorously responds, showing who is the master of the house: “WHEN I WANT, THEN I CANCEL”.

One of Nikolai’s resolutions - “PLEASURE WITH PLEASURE” - already during his lifetime became a catch phrase. And the satirist Averchenko responded to the manifesto on the abdication of Nicholas II in the journal New Satyricon: “I read it with pleasure. Arkady Averchenko ”(Alexander Maysuryan)

[Opera]

Rods?!?! Really?!?! ))))
Thank! Great comment! The Bolsheviks humanely replaced the rods with gas for peasants, hostages from among relatives and widespread mass executions! Trudarmarii of course and the camp itself! Ah well done !!! Satirik Averchenko managed to respond with satisfaction or even mom did not have time to say ?!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Oper

Rods?!?! Really?!?! ))))

You have a "boring" outrage ... some ... Because what has long been "known"! Like swearing in the kindergarten: "Dypak! Dypak himself! In the" adult "version: 1." The king was bad! White Guard Beasts! I can give examples! ".... 2." Lenin is bad! Bolshevik animals! And I can give examples and even cooler! "God be their judge ... to the Bolsheviks and the" royal minions "! Have you read Serafimovich’s book Iron Stream? Remember the scene where the Red Army soldier (red Cossack?) Was cutting a saber of White Guard children in front of his eyes their mothers? A cruel scene! I was surprised that such a book was not banned and published in Soviet times! But let us return to this Red Army soldier ... in the episode, the motives of this fighter’s behavior are also explained: this white fighter also killed him children! No matter how different people turn their story Whether other side, one thing is clear to me: Nicholas II did not "pull" on St. !!!

[Opera]

And you are a cheerful person, read the serious philosophical work of Ivan Solonevich "People’s Monarchy" of a contemporary and participant in those events. Absolutely unbiased work! Red he was of course the enemy! But he saw the cause of what happened in the betrayal of the elites and in the lack of faith of the Russian people! In response to the eternal accusation of Jews, including in the revolution, he said - we Russians have created the Great Orthodox Empire! What other Jews ... This is our fault and our connivance!

[free]

Quote: Oper

And you are a cheerful person, read the serious philosophical work of Ivan Solonevich "People’s Monarchy" of a contemporary and participant in those events. Absolutely unbiased work! Red he was of course the enemy! But he saw the cause of what happened in the betrayal of the elites and in the lack of faith of the Russian people! In response to the eternal accusation of Jews, including in the revolution, he said - we Russians have created the Great Orthodox Empire! What other Jews ... This is our fault and our connivance!

And who are you red, what did they want?

[abc_alex]

There is only one episode of the use of "gas for the peasants." And that conditionally reliable. But the parish monarchists cling to him with the stubbornness of a drunk :) And they forget that this episode is connected with the extreme situation of the MILITARY operation against the armed participants of the Antonov rebellion. Not with everyday rods for law-abiding citizens, but with a real war with the rebels who captured several regions of the country. I will not discuss the moral background of the uprising of the peasants who wished to continue the food terror of power, which they dealt with throughout 1915, 1916 and 1917, which led, among other things, to the fall of the empire and defeat in the war. But the fact that Antonovism was an integral part of the Civil War, the leadership of the "rebels" was full of white officers, and the backbone of the army were the remains of broken white formations. It was a WAR and it was waged by all means available at that time. On both sides, by the way. But even in this war, despite the widespread myth, asphyxiating gases were not used against the "peasants". This parish myth has already been refuted 10 times with facts. It is reliably known that the very question of the use of gas arose after the defeat of Antonovschina, when it was necessary to smoke the remnants of the rebels from the forests. But then the Red Army was itself in its infancy and was a semi-partisan phenomenon, therefore, it turned out to be impossible to organize the delivery of toxic substances, and most importantly, to find specialists who could, in fact, and not on paper, conduct a chemical attack. As a result, the entire "chemical war with the peasants" was limited to the fact that on July 27 in the arena of the Tambov cavalry barracks "approximate fumigation" was carried out, for which two cylinders of chlorine were used up. This was the only known "gas attack" during the suppression of the Tambov uprising. :)

Both sides took hostages during the war. This is generally a very common practice, known since ancient times.

Mass executions ... And you know that during the Decembrist uprising in one evening, almost 3000 people were shot with canister shot from cannons. Russian people. Veterans of the war with Napoleon. Believers, Orthodox and even monarchists. Not all, of course, perished. Even several volleys of three dozen guns along a narrow alley did not kill everyone. Many jumped onto the Neva ice. They fired a volley of cores over them and drowned. And then, until morning, the bodies of the dead and wounded were dumped into the cleared wormwoods.

After the cessation of artillery fire, Emperor Nikolai Pavlovich ordered Chief Police Chief General Shulgin to remove the corpses by morning. Unfortunately, the performers ordered the most inhumane way. On the night of the Neva, from the St. Isaac's Bridge to the Academy of Fine Arts and further to the side of Vasilyevsky Island, many ice holes were made into which not only the corpses were lowered, but, as claimed, many wounded, too, deprived of the opportunity to escape from the fate awaiting them. Those of the wounded who managed to escape, hid their injuries, afraid to open themselves to doctors, and died without medical assistance.

Bolsheviks to you executioners? Are monarchists not executioners? Who counted the victims of numerous hunger riots? Salt and Copper riot, Uprising of Bolotnikov and Razin. They all ended in waves of mass terror.
Do you recall how they dealt with the participants in the Polish uprisings? Do you think the word of God? No, buckshot and bayonets.
Or maybe you should recall the punitive raid of Riemann in December 1905. For enlightenment, a little bit to you Gilyarovsky in the topic:

About 3 p.m. arrived in Golutvino. At the depot, I remember, the artisans shared the carcass of beef. They were not touched, and the soldiers only asked: where did the meat come from? And they answered: - Bought.

The soldiers went offensive on the Struve plant and around. Sentries were stationed at the station. On the platform was the driver Kharlamov. They found a revolver without a drum from him - they took him to the station and shot him.

At this time, the sergeant major of some regiment, returning from the war, approached Riemann and said:

- I am surprised, your high nobility, how can you shoot without trial?

- Ah, you are trying to learn! - and shot him.

The station was full of people. Everyone was detained, searched. Shot at stacks of stone with 23 people. They brought the chief of the depot, but released. They took the head of the station Nadezhin and his assistant Shelukhin - old, respected by all people. They led in one gut: Shelukhina - in front, behind - Nadezhin, who walked next to Riemann and asked him:

- Pity, at least for the sake of the children.

Riemann ordered the soldier to tell him to shut up, and the soldier punched the old man in the neck. They were shot among twenty-three at stacks.

After they said that when they examined the dead, Shelukhin was still alive and asked for mercy, but he was killed from a revolver.

The horror was in Golutvin!

On the way back in Ashitkov there were also executions; Incidentally, the chief of the station and the telegraph operator were shot. They stopped at some stations, but nowhere else were they killed. And the stations were empty and the surroundings too: as if everything had died out.

Approaching Moscow, Riemann called us and ordered us to remain silent about what we saw. Arrived in Moscow at 10 a.m. on December 19.

Having returned home, for a long time I could not come to my senses - everyone was crying.

And the conductor Markelin, who was traveling with us, went crazy.

The empire drowned its own people in the blood no less than the Bolsheviks. Even more, since they have been doing this for centuries, with a sort of contemptuous squeamish grin on the noble face.

[Weyland]

Quote: abc_alex

Not with everyday rods for law-abiding subjects

This is in what country law abiding subjects received everyday rods? I doubt that such a thing has ever happened in the history of mankind!

[abc_alex]

:) Well, you never know the autocrat wanders into my head, but in the heat of the discussion I will blabber tongue :)

[Dormidont]

What a pathos hutspa!

[Lieutenant Teterin]

You "forgot" to indicate the source of all these quotes. Without indicating the source, the reliability of these phrases passes through the category of "inscription on the fence"

[Nikolaevich I]

PS Alexander Maysuryan. "About the evil Tsar Nicholas, whom we have lost, and again want to find foolishness" (Publicist.ru)

[Weyland]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

The State Council advocated the abolition of the right of the police to flog at its discretion any peasant. The emperor vigorously responds, showing who is the master of the house: “WHEN I WANT, THEN I CANCEL”.

Prufov. Of course it won’t? - given the fact that it’s an obvious assault, the police had no such right since at least 1863!
Incidentally,

Quote: Nikolaevich I

“IN NO EVENT IS NOT A GYMNASIS, BUT A TECHNICAL SCHOOL.”

I believe in this and applaud while standing: gymnasium graduates of pure humanities. and the country lacked techies!

[Bypassed]

If the members of the royal family remained alive and went to Europe, then European bankers would have to give them the royal gold coin. And so - not to whom.
There are many documents about the fact that the Jewish October Revolution was abundantly financed from abroad.
The last similar example in Ukraine in 2-14

[Belarusian]

Bloody, not bloody Nikolai, still the Communists in 20-30 years destroyed many times more of their people than Nikolai. I considered and I think 1991 is historical justice.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: belaruski

Bloody, not bloody Nikolai, still the Communists in 20-30 years destroyed many times more of their people than Nikolai. I considered and I think 1991 is historical justice.

When will we restore the monarchy? That would be completely true to the principle of historical justice. And another question, will we immediately introduce slavery, or a little later? And what, many slave states and empires on a historical scale existed for a very long time. So that is an example of the stability of the state and, again, historical justice, since such entities are so stable. Just this, write me immediately into the nobles. And then I know you such. In the slaves yourself sign up. And do not regret later, because historical justice, they themselves said. And no one pulled your tongue.

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Oper

And what would you do when going into the raid discreetly and your group was noticed by a local shepherd ...? You have a hundred souls of soldiers who have moms, folders, etc ... let go the cowgirl and sign the sentence to your group and you or do not let go the cowgirl and save lives and complete the task and destroy the enemy?

And what would you do when going into the raid discreetly and your group was noticed by a local shepherd ...? You have a hundred souls of soldiers who have moms, folders, etc ... let go the cowgirl and sign the sentence to your group and you or do not let go the cowgirl and save lives and complete the task and destroy the enemy?

[Opera]

Not for you to tell about the shepherds!
In the “shepherdess” of Tsarevich Alexei, even the Latvians present at the same time refused to shoot. As well as in girls sisters "shepherdess" of your enemies !!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oper

In the “shepherdess” of Tsarevich Alexei, even the Latvians present at the same time refused to shoot. As well as in girls sisters "shepherdess" of your enemies !!!

But the Bolsheviks, even the children did not spare. Yes, and now, reading their komenty I understand that they remained the same. There is not the slightest remorse for crimes.
Give them the opportunity, they will kill the neighbors without hesitation, without the slightest remorse, due to its complete absence.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Oper

In the “shepherdess” of Tsarevich Alexei, even the Latvians present at the same time refused to shoot. As well as in girls sisters "shepherdess" of your enemies !!!

But the Bolsheviks, even the children did not spare. Yes, and now, reading their komenty I understand that they remained the same. There is not the slightest remorse for crimes.
Give them the opportunity, they will kill the neighbors without hesitation, without the slightest remorse, due to its complete absence.

General Graves. Memoirs of the commander of the expeditionary force of the United States about the atrocities of Kolchakites and other White Guards in Siberia:
“In Krasnoyarsk, I learned something about General Rozanov, whom I was trying to work with in Vladivostok. He was the very man who ordered his troops on March 27, 1919:
1. When occupying villages previously occupied by bandits (guerrillas), to demand the issuance of leaders of the movement; where you can not capture the leaders, but have sufficient evidence of their presence, shoot every tenth resident.
If during the movement of troops through the city, the population, having the opportunity, does not report the presence of the enemy, all are required to receive monetary compensation without restriction.

Villages where the population meets our troops with weapons should be burned to the ground, all adult men should be shot; property, houses, carts should be requisitioned for use by the army.

Мы
they learned that Rozanov held hostages, and for each of his supporters,
met death, he killed ten hostages. He talked about these
the methods used in Krasnoyarsk, how about working with the situation in
gloves, but announced his intention to remove gloves after arriving in
Vladivostok, to work with the situation without the restraint that he
demonstrated to Krasnoyarsk ...

Rozanov was third in
abominations of a character from those I knew in Siberia, although the level of Kalmykov
and Semenov was unattainable for him. "

You have something with your idols, that is, white knights, of course, conscience, unlike red, is clear. Sleep well.

[Opera]

Hello, Alexander. The fact is that when you read many comments here, you understand that these people now admit a change of power in the country by force and a civil war. The king and the royal family are smeared with dirt! The multimillion-dollar sacrifice, which is still impossible to calculate in the civil war, called the figure of up to 12 million, is also not their fault! It is the king who arranged a war with them! In fact, the Bolsheviks are white and fluffy - this is the king who did not let them be like that! It was after the tsar that they began to make fun of everyone, and then to each other ... So the tsar upset their poor! The perception of history is generally pioneering! There are red, there are white! All! Well, who is the red everyone understands! And the white ones for the king in their opinion !!! No precious! Unfortunately no! If this were so from you, there would be no spirit left! For the most part, they were just as left-wing as you are referring to the generals and the majority of the officer corps overthrew the king! Not for the Reds the people didn’t want to fight not for the Whites! Some people promised and deceived the land, moreover, they began to plunder ?! Others for some Constituent Assembly ... What is it ?! Late Baron Wrangel raised the slogan “For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!” Late. But you only lasted some 000 years! And then a lot!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oper

these people now admit a change of power in the country by force and a civil war. The king and the royal family are smeared with dirt!

Hi Igor. For a Bolshevik, human life is nothing. They will kill and arrange dances, and then blame others for this. I do not see the difference between them and Bandera. Both of them killed their own population.
I do not see the difference between the Bolsheviks and ISIS. The same bloody methods to achieve their goals. Or in theirs or a bullet. Thousands of desecrated and destroyed temples. Killed for faith, killed faith.
And even now, when everyone can find the composition of the Bolshevik government, where everyone understands that 90% are Jews. They will say no, this is not true.
A Bolshevik for Russia is hundreds of times worse and more dangerous than any, even the most cruel external enemy.
It's a locust

[Weyland]

Quote: Leshy1975

You have something with your idols, that is, white knights, of course, conscience, unlike red, is clear. Sleep well.

But what does the monarchists have to do with it? How many of those White Guards who were so atrocious declared themselves monarchists - or were they just representatives liberal intelligentsia? Take the nightmarish mudyugsky concentration camp - who made up the "White Guard" government of the Northern Region? Six Social Revolutionaries, two cadets. chairman - people's socialist N.V. Tchaikovsky (almost all members of the government were in the past deputies of the Constituent Assembly) ... How did Averchenko predicted what would happen. if the Mensheviks come to power:

We must form a coalition government!
Martov winced.
“So with the Social Revolutionaries and the Cadets?”
-- With what joy? Are we few Mensheviks, or what? Let us make a coalition cabinet of the Mensheviks of the Left, the Mensheviks of the Right and the Mensheviks so-so.
* * *
Abramovich came to Martov - there is no person on him:
- You listen to what rudeness! The Socialist-Revolutionaries abused us in their newspaper for not including them in our office! Can you imagine - they called me a mediocre slug! In my opinion, this lousy newspaper of theirs needs to be closed forever!
“Well, let's put it,” Martov grinned. - This is not enough motive for closing.
- And they wrote about you that you are a pot-bellied Caligula with the temperament of an eunuch-money changer!
- Um ... yes. Then the motives for closure are perhaps sufficient. Prepare a warrant.
* * *
Abramovich ran to Martov again - again, there was no face on him. Instead of a face - a tragic mask.
- Listen! After the Socialist-Revolutionary and Cadet newspapers were closed by us, these convicts climbed up the wall: I received information that they were plotting to overthrow us.
- Cookies with butter! - exclaimed, with a regal gesture, Martov. - We need to create a special body that would monitor public safety and reveal conspiracies.
- Extraordinary Commission?
- Oak head! Can we resurrect the Che-k, bring to life the gloomy pages of Bolshevism ?! No, you need to create an Ordinary Commission.
- So Ob-ka?
- Ob-ka - it sounds calm and harmless.
* * *
A year later, two Russians met abroad.
- How are you from Russia?
- He ran from the horrors of Ob-ka.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Weyland

But what does the monarchists have to do with it? How many of those White Guards who so atrocities declared themselves monarchists

But I am against the monarchists (about monarchist views) and did not write anything. Well, you are close to the monarchist idea, to me another. Both have the same right to opinion. I wrote to Mr. Romanov, who furiously accuses the Bolsheviks of all the sins and does not see the crimes of the white movement. My opinion, in a civil war, is definitely correct, no. There are winners. Since both of them fight for their ideals (personally, red ideas are closer to me). And the presence of crimes, it speaks precisely of the fact of crimes, and not so that the red ones are fiends, and the white ones are lambs. That's all.

[abc_alex]

And what did the "monarchists" not kill children? Didn’t you cut your neighbors? The civil war spread the inhabitants of one country on different sides, and your ideological supporters, adherents of "autocracy, Orthodoxy and nationality" slaughtered children and hung up the rebels no less. I cited an excerpt from Gilyarovsky’s article on a punitive expedition. This is only one episode. End station. And then they left Moscow. And the first station was Sorting.

There is no need to make lamb from the imperials. It was they who led the country to that degree of inhuman bestiality that spilled over into the Civil War. Just before the Soviet period, the acts of the monarchist executioners were covered from a specific angle, with a focus on heroism, because no one even thought about counting the beaten with bayonets.

[Weyland]

Quote: abc_alex

your ideological supporters, adherents of "autocracy, Orthodoxy and nationality" slaughtered children and hung up the rebels no less.

Are you sure that these White Guards were precisely adherents of "autocracy, Orthodoxy and nationality", and not of the Constituent Assembly? I have already unsubscribed about the composition of the "White Guard" government of the Northern Region - Six Social Revolutionaries, two cadets. Chairman - People's Socialist N.V. Tchaikovsky (almost all members of the government were in the past deputies of the Constituent Assembly). Ataman Annenkov, famous for his atrocities, was actually the great-grandson of the same Decembrist Annenkov, who was played by Kostolevsky in the “Star of captivating happiness” (by the way, that Annenkov didn’t have time for Senate on December 14 - but he came to him suppression rebellion on the Senate, and he actively participated, hoping that former accomplices would not surrender him later. I really hoped for nothing )

[abc_alex]

I am sure that in Russia during the Civil War, monarchists, and socialists, and anarchists, and other creatures were boiled in one pot. And everyone was marked by cruelty towards enemies. And today blaming all the blood and the vileness of the civil war only on the Bolsheviks is at least not correct. Do you agree?

[Dormidont]

Our Middle Eastern partners are such entertainers

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Oper

Not for you to tell about the shepherds!
In the “shepherdess” of Tsarevich Alexei, even the Latvians present at the same time refused to shoot. As well as in girls sisters "shepherdess" of your enemies !!!

That's what I tell you and what to tell about or not to tell, it's not for you to decide, dear ... in war, as in war ... but in a civil war there are no unambiguously right and unambiguously guilty ... brutal times, cruel acts, Latvians refused, but what did they do in other places? and the Chinese? so you don’t need it

[Weyland]

The scandal around the Facebook post made by one of the editors of Channel One Timofey Ermakov is gaining momentum. He recorded “Glory to Pyotr Voikov!”
But what about Voikov . and not to his direct ancestor Peter Zakharych Ermakov Modest ... No, Russia will not be reborn. until we erase such from her face. like this worthy granddaughter of his executioner-grandfather!

[a housewife]

pouring from empty to empty is a stupid occupation. Who was right in the civil war? Who was more cruel? Yes, and there and there were bastards and noble, honest people. What are you talking about? Whose terror is terrorist? Terror - he is terror. A terrorist is not right. All terrorists are criminals, no matter how well-intentioned they are. The red and white terror are criminal, but they happened simultaneously - this is the hell through which the Country passed! And here you are justifying one side or the other to each other.

[nathanael]

Why pity him .. The monarch’s craft is such a thing .. In percentage terms, they die more than the journalist in the war. And to be honest, he deserved to die not from a bullet but in a loop .. Although he would have pulled the children along

[asiat_61]

editors of the First channel Timofey Ermakov ...... full !!! By Nikolay 2 mu can be anything, But caricatures of people who have long died .....

[Leshy1975]

Quote: asiat_61

editors of the First channel Timofey Ermakov ...... full !!! By Nikolay 2 mu can be anything, But caricatures of people who have long died .....

I agree and fully support it. For dead people (because there are those whom it’s hard for a person to recognize) caricatures regarding the fact of their death and not their activity are not allowed. For various reasons, including for us to remain human.

[senima56]

“If the tsar acted with you (the Bolsheviks) as you did with him, he would have ruled for another 300 years!” A. Rybakov "Children of the Arbat".

[9PA]

Thanks to the Bolsheviks for tearing the Russian people out of the darkness of laborership and the sweet speeches of the clergy. The king is anointed, bear men in the next world you will go to heaven

[Leshy1975]

Yes, of course, everything was fine with the king in the kingdom. All your nobility alone go around the kingdom and crunch French rolls. Here I am also surprised, and why did this happen? Probably the French roll was overeaten. And from this an inversion of the intestines, and then the brain, occurred, well, they carried the tsar's "benefactor" to the bumps. And according to his deed, there was nothing to overfeed the people, what you thanked the ungrateful.

Quote: senima56

“If the tsar acted with you (the Bolsheviks) as you did with him, he would have ruled for another 300 years!” A. Rybakov "Children of the Arbat".

[23424636]

Quote: Titsen

Rastrel is cruel.

But Nicholas 2 is definitely not a saint!

it’s not for you to judge the church rules. At first, the Russian Orthodox Church was canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad in 1981 and then in 2000. And they carried them not for the fact that they were without sin, but because they meekly reacted to their murderers and persecutors in a Christian way, forgiving them and urging them not to avenge their death. The conduct of God itself dealt with the murderers and their family, and the bearers of the names of the participants in this satanic bacchanalia bear a trick for centuries. I remember an interview with the last relative of Dzerzhinsky, a recidivist from the Dnieper, who broadcast that the whole family was criminals, starting with this Polish Jew, to whom the whole Lubyanka prays. ,paradox. Or how they killed this Jew Sverdlov, who gave a telegram to Ulyanov (Blank), that the tsar and his family were flunked on his orders .. The tsar will save Russia from destruction because he is anointed of God annexed to autocracy by a special Byzantine ancient order, according to which he is given the power to fulfill the essence of the Russian land and people from the estate of the Most High. But the most important thing is that the King represents the Family, as an example of how to live in order to please God and preserve the race.

[Leshy1975]

You look at their happy faces. Well, as it is, ungrateful. And so the king was worried for them, how worried.

[ibirus]

The monarchy in the history of Russia has shown its low efficiency and destroyed itself. An autocrat may not be a priori a saint or a martyr - this is insanity and nonsense. Nicholas is guilty of the revolution of 1905-1907, the war with Japan and the pulling of the country into the First World War. Nikolai did not think in terms of statehood and resisted the overdue changes. The result - the shooting of a very poor manager and his inner circle. No pity, because the "saint" did not spare people in the Lena mines.
The monarchy for Russia is an absolute evil.

[ROBIN-SON]

Another split in society? The past hangs on its feet with kettlebells. All the time we condemn the predecessors - Nicholas II, Lenin, Stalin, Gorbachev, Yeltsin. In today's day we can not decide.
The truth does not know. The archives were probably cleaned up until the 17th. And after that. Nikita really tried, it was necessary to dump his business on others. Then in the 90s.
I can not judge Nicholas. Lensky execution proved not his hands. Bloody Sunday? And where is the order signed by the king, who would go through modern examinations? Khodynka is a tragic event, but not the evil intent of the king. Losing the war? Well, I don’t know, wars sometimes lose ....
I know only one thing. The age of the Romanovs ended, court intrigues, family ties played a trick on this system. To clear this swamp, a person like Peter the Great or Stalin was needed. But alas, Nicholas II was not such a person. Moreover, he may have been a good husband, father, but not KING. He reminds me of Gorbachev. They ruined the country, put in a lot of blood. Only if the first was killed with his family, then the second is alive, healthy, lives in the WEST, only his wife is lost.
Regarding the execution (rather murder). It was an extrajudicial reprisal. In the 20th century in R.I. the death penalty was not applied to children. After the establishment of Soviet power, the death penalty was abolished by the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets on October 28, 1917. However, in connection with the adoption of the decree of the SNK of the RSFSR “On Red Terror” of September 5, 1918, the death penalty was restored: it was applied to persons who had affiliation with the White Guard organizations, conspiracies, and rebellions. It was performed by execution, and the names of the executed and the grounds for applying the death penalty to them were subject to publication.
Those. on July 16, 1918, the death penalty in the USSR was not applied. The law said so. And I’m just silent about the children. These murderers were to be tried and convicted. If anyone will argue with me, I have a question for them: "Do you want to live in a state of law or prohibited in RF ISIS?"