Chinese "mountain tank" entered service with the Marines?

An image of a secret Chinese "mountain" appeared on the web tank"In marine camouflage, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

Previously it was thought that the new tank was designed for use in highlands. This assumption of experts confirmed the pictures taken during the test machines in difficult areas of Tibet. It is not surprising that in various countries, the novelty has been rushed to call the "mountain tank."

The first data about this car leaked to the press in 2012 year. However, there was very little information, all the characteristics of the tank are still classified. The estimated designation of the tank - ZTQ-15 - not officially confirmed.

According to the latest data, the weight of the machine is about 35 tons. She is armed with a 105 mm caliber cannon capable of using sub-caliber ammunition, the armor penetration of which is about 500 mm.

The turret mounted installation, combining 12,7-mm machine gun and 35-mm automatic grenade launcher.

The tank is equipped with a fire control system with thermal imagers and sensors for firing conditions.

Car booking is enhanced by dynamic protection and lattice screens. Chassis - six-bearing, engine power (presumably) - 1000 hp, speed - more than 70 km / h.

To date, an export version of the tank has been created on the basis of the ZTQ-15, which is exhibited at various armory salons.

Comments

[Yrec]

Gee-gee mountain-marine tank of China. And if it is painted in the colors of the Air Force? Will it also magically become “flying”? In my opinion - another hack based on the T-72.

[donavi49]

It is closer to Renault17 than to T-72 if that.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Yrec

Gee-gi mountain-marine tank of China

It does not interfere.
Discover Taiwan's “satellite” in Yandex or Google, most of the mountain island.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Yrec

Gee-gi mountain-marine tank of China

It does not interfere.
Discover Taiwan's “satellite” in Yandex or Google, most of the mountain island.

Why is China now Taiwan?

[Lopatov]

Control.
Taiwan essentially represents a potential "unsinkable aircraft carrier" for the United States, a gap in the notorious Chinese "A2 / AD"

[Greg Miller]

Penetration of a gun 500 mm? Comrades, the Chinese, and with whom are you going to fight with such a gun ??? Well, if only with Taiwan ....

[Romka47]

Well, there’s very little information, so at first glance the photo shows a tall silhouette ... everything that flies

[just exp]

Yes, and the weight is not very light.
The T-64 with the same weight did not have a 105mm, but a 125mm cannon and better reservation.

[Sailor]

T-55 and T-62 weighed 36 tons each, T-64 if it does not change memory 38!

[cariperpaint]

In my opinion one of the crazy ideas is similar cars .. What does mountain mean in general? Optimized to work at high altitudes? Can crawl and climb rocks?) Some kind of stupid term .. 105 gun for what? The Chinese are stirring something in my direction of Tibet)

[seos]

Mountain means light enough, with low ground pressure and high gun aiming angles ....

In general, the concept of infantry fighting vehicles has degraded and is outdated, and the military understands this, this is the reason for the creation of all kinds of light and medium tanks in the near future there will be many developments on this topic.
We added tanks to the motorized rifle brigades - this is half measures but quite effective ...

Now slippers will fly at me (as usual) I explain right away, which is what I mean by the obsolescence of the BMP concept:
BMP - was a cheap light tank with a small compartment for transporting troops. The combat module in the BMP-1 and BMP-2 was not even stabilized - everything was done as cheaply as possible and it worked !!! BMP-1 and 2 in all exceeded NATO armored personnel carriers (total superiority).
Then the arms race began, and we came to the conclusion that the combat module is tens or even hundreds of times more expensive than the fighting vehicle itself that carries it .... The latest BMPs of NATO countries already cost more than $ 10 m - at these prices they do not make sense AT ALL because with this money you can buy a bunch of heavily armored armored personnel carriers without weapons or with a primitive combat module and strengthen the division of tanks ...
Under such conditions, it makes sense to develop light and medium tanks. which will carry expensive combat modules.
With modern technology, even a light tank can be made very protected, even a heavy armored personnel carrier cannot be adequately protected because the entire free volume will be occupied by the landing ...

[cariperpaint]

Yes, I'm not talking about that))) why create a car for working in the mountains? as I understand it is not cheap. A tank even 36 tons in weight in the mountains is essentially a pillbox with an engine. I can’t understand the goals for its application ... In the desert and on the plain, this is generally a dead concept, but in the mountains, for what and against whom? As for your vision of bmp, I do not agree with you, but this is already a dispute for other topics)

[marshes]

Quote: cariperpaint

Yes, I'm not talking about that))) why create a car for working in the mountains? as I understand it is not cheap. A tank even 36 tons in weight in the mountains is essentially a pillbox with an engine. I can’t understand the goals for its application ... In the desert and on the plain, this is generally a dead concept, but in the mountains, for what and against whom? As for your vision of bmp, I do not agree with you, but this is already a dispute for other topics)

If he doesn’t change his memory, the air-hydro suspension on the chassis is leveled at any angle. What is repainted under the sea, he still does not have enough oglyphs for Taipei.
It’s just that the Chinese are preparing, in the event of an aggravation in the trade war, to seize Taiwan. After all, not a little the United States has invested money there. This was .... was not, in extreme cases.
П

[donavi49]

To push the Indians - whose T-90 is not dragged into the mountainous regions. Here on 35 tons - 1000 horses and low ground pressure, variable clearance / tilt / angle. T-90 840 at 46 tons.

They have a third of the country’s mountains and hills - including the Uyghurs. The main friend with whom real shooting is regular is through the mountains. Another friend - with whom the graters and the Breakthrough in Hanoi - is in principle not a great fantasy = in a difficult area with jungle and hills.

Indeed, why do they need mountain tanks?

[Yrec]

Yeah. Nekhai, motorized riflemen are retrained as infantry and walk with their legs.

[Romka47]

Well, your train of thought is very interesting. I somehow didn’t think about it all. +

[Doliva63]

Quote: seos

Mountain means light enough, with low ground pressure and high gun aiming angles ....

In general, the concept of infantry fighting vehicles has degraded and is outdated, and the military understands this, this is the reason for the creation of all kinds of light and medium tanks in the near future there will be many developments on this topic.
We added tanks to the motorized rifle brigades - this is half measures but quite effective ...

Now slippers will fly at me (as usual) I explain right away, which is what I mean by the obsolescence of the BMP concept:
BMP - was a cheap light tank with a small compartment for transporting troops. The combat module in the BMP-1 and BMP-2 was not even stabilized - everything was done as cheaply as possible and it worked !!! BMP-1 and 2 in all exceeded NATO armored personnel carriers (total superiority).
Then the arms race began, and we came to the conclusion that the combat module is tens or even hundreds of times more expensive than the fighting vehicle itself that carries it .... The latest BMPs of NATO countries already cost more than $ 10 m - at these prices they do not make sense AT ALL because with this money you can buy a bunch of heavily armored armored personnel carriers without weapons or with a primitive combat module and strengthen the division of tanks ...
Under such conditions, it makes sense to develop light and medium tanks. which will carry expensive combat modules.
With modern technology, even a light tank can be made very protected, even a heavy armored personnel carrier cannot be adequately protected because the entire free volume will be occupied by the landing ...

And will light / medium tanks also be transporting infantry and supporting on the battlefield?

[seos]

Read attentively!
I am not against the fact that infantry fighting vehicles would be transported - I am against installing expensive combat modules on these infantry fighting vehicles!
Take BMP-2 now in the army they are being modernized to the level of BMP-2M, the modernization consists in installing 1) a thermal imager 2) an arms stabilizer 3) encrypted communications 4) Optics for the commander - that is, an almost minimal set.
But even in this modification, the BMP-2 will be upgraded by the piece, because it is still expensive.
You can’t put an expensive combat module on a light or medium infantry fighting vehicle - this is stupidity!
And yes, tanks (light, medium, and heavy) should provide support to the troops because the tank can be seriously protected, but there is no BMP.
Protection is not only mass but also volume - there are light types of protection, for example, some types of semi-active armor that provide protection against cumulative ammunition.
It’s also easier to install active protection on the tank - it does not have an assault force and if the protection element is triggered, it will not hit anyone with fragments ...
It is also possible to install multilayer armor, which is impossible in the BMP due to the fact that all of their volume is occupied by the landing.
The point is that expensive combat modules should only be on highly protected vehicles.

[Doliva63]

Quote: seos

Read attentively!
I am not against the fact that infantry fighting vehicles would be transported - I am against installing expensive combat modules on these infantry fighting vehicles!
Take BMP-2 now in the army they are being modernized to the level of BMP-2M, the modernization consists in installing 1) a thermal imager 2) an arms stabilizer 3) encrypted communications 4) Optics for the commander - that is, an almost minimal set.
But even in this modification, the BMP-2 will be upgraded by the piece, because it is still expensive.
You can’t put an expensive combat module on a light or medium infantry fighting vehicle - this is stupidity!
And yes, tanks (light, medium, and heavy) should provide support to the troops because the tank can be seriously protected, but there is no BMP.
Protection is not only mass but also volume - there are light types of protection, for example, some types of semi-active armor that provide protection against cumulative ammunition.
It’s also easier to install active protection on the tank - it does not have an assault force and if the protection element is triggered, it will not hit anyone with fragments ...
It is also possible to install multilayer armor, which is impossible in the BMP due to the fact that all of their volume is occupied by the landing.
The point is that expensive combat modules should only be on highly protected vehicles.

Professional? Or an analyst?

[cordon332]

Quote: seos

BMP-2 was not even stabilized

Error - BMP-2 from the very beginning of mass production had an electromechanical two-plane stabilizer.

[Vol4ara]

And why is it blue, for what purpose is this color?

[Xander]

If the tank drowns, the enemy will not be able to find secret technology.

[Dezinto]

When it flies into the mountains and runs out of kerosene in two huge tanks at the stern, it becomes an underwater tank in the high mountains of the Himalayas. What is incomprehensible then. ?

[Doliva63]

Quote: DEZINTO

When it flies into the mountains and runs out of kerosene in two huge tanks at the stern, it becomes an underwater tank in the high mountains of the Himalayas. What is incomprehensible then. ?

And beauties! ...

[marshes]

Quote: Xander

If the tank drowns, the enemy will not be able to find secret technology.

In addition to the recreation center, they, the Chinese, also developed transporter boats.

[igordok]

Quote: Vol4ara

And why is it blue, for what purpose is this color?

On the "Popular Mechanics" seems to have been parsing. This blue camouflage works great. That he seems screaming at close range, and from a great distance helps a lot. Something about the weaker sensitivity of the human eye to blue shades. In short, it doesn’t merge with the background, but the tank in it like that will guess the hell right away.

[parusnik]

I wonder what his "mountain" is ... except that the weight ... dynamic protection and shielding, and a bit high .. More probably for the foreign market ...

[yehat]

something in silhouette the tank pulls not at 35 tons, but at all 38-40.
or it’s not a tank at all, but a self-propelled gun.

[marshes]

All this is against Taiwan.

[RUSS]

Quote: marshes

All this is against Taiwan.

Does China Need Taiwan? If so, then they will swallow it peacefully.

[marshes]

Quote: RUSS

Does China Need Taiwan? If so, then they will swallow it peacefully.

It’s necessary, it’s like Crimea for you. Just satisfy your national pride. Your thoughts are the same.

[The Siberian barber]

Climber tank ...
For "multifunctionality", it is necessary to equip torpedoes))

[san4es]

Car booking is enhanced by dynamic protection and lattice screens. Chassis - six-bearing, engine power (presumably) - 1000 hp, speed - more than 70 km / h.

The article, published on the Chinese website Guancha.cn on June 11, showed images showing what appeared to be a new light battle tank (LBT) .30 Jun. 2017 year

[4thParasinok]

Quote: san4es

Car booking is enhanced by dynamic protection and lattice screens. Chassis - six-bearing, engine power (presumably) - 1000 hp, speed - more than 70 km / h.

I understand that they will start throwing tomatoes at me, but "in my theological opinion" Sprut-D was taken as the basis for this tank: a modified body from the Chinese version of the MMP-3 with enhanced armor and chassis, wider tracks, slightly modified the rear so that - to put a more powerful engine (we remove the passage for the landing on the engine) and a weaker gun ...

[san4es]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

... I understand that they will start throwing tomatoes at me ...

... In no case ... Moreover, I'm not special. on the tanks. I can rely only on TTX, photo / video or facts.

... the basis of this tank is taken Octopus-D

... Well, I don’t know ... "Octopus-SD" is still self-propelled guns based on BMD ... For this, it was created as light as possible - landing and waterfowl

Gross weight, t ……………. eighteen
Armament gun:
- mark …………………… .2A75
- caliber (mm), type ………… ..125, smoothbore
- loading ........... separate, automatic
- rate of fire …………… .7 rds / min
machine gun:
- mark …………………… .. PKT (PKTM)
- caliber, mm ………………… 7,62
Weapon targeting angles:
- on the horizon …………………. 360
- vertical forward ................... from -5 to +15
- vertical back (aft) ....... from -3 to +17
Ammunition:
- gunshots ....... 40 (of which 22 are in the automatic loader)
- types of shots: high-explosive, cumulative, armor-piercing subcaliber
- cartridges ................... 2000
Armor protection:
- frontal: from fire 12,7 mm machine guns (in the sector ± 40)
- circular: from fire 7,62 mm weapons
Engine:
- type: four-stroke 6-cylinder diesel with gas turbine turbocharging, direct fuel injection, liquid cooling
- brand ………………… 2V-06-2C
- power, hp (kW) ... .. 510 (375)
Transmission: hydromechanical, with hydrostatic rotation mechanism
Suspension of road wheels: individual pneumatic
Caterpillar: steel, double-rib, pinion gear, with sequential rubber-metal joints
Track width of the main track, mm ... .380
Water propulsion type: hydro-jet
Maximum speed km / h:
- on the highway ……………………. 70-71
- I’ll swim …………………… .. 10
Average speed on a dirt road, km / h ... ..47—49
Power reserve:
- on the highway, km ........................... 500
- on a dirt road, km ………. 350
- float, h ............................. 10

... And the "Chinese", he was born a tank

The main feature of the new tanks is their suitability for use in mountainous areas, especially in Tibet. At the moment, it is known that the tank is being created to replace obsolete Type 62 tanks.
The Type 62 tanks themselves are a lightweight version of the Soviet T-54 tanks. Serially produced from 1963 to 1989,

[san4es]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

.... Octopus-D: a modified case from the Chinese version of MMP-3 with reinforced armor and chassis, wider tracks, slightly modified the rear in order to put a more powerful engine (we remove the passage for the landing on the engine) and a weaker gun ...

... In general, the Chinese have their own approach to everything ... Yes, and the similarity between ZTQ and Octopus is obvious ... Maybe I liked the form.
... Tell me, you wrote:

... "in my theological opinion"

... Do you have any relation to the estate you mentioned? (Seriously)

[DeusExMachina]

It looks good ....
Otherwise, it’s better not to stick your nose out. L7 and her kids, alas and ah, are irrevocably out of date

[Catfish]

Quote: Sailor

T-55 and T-62 weighed 36 tons each, T-64 if it does not change memory 38!

The T-54 is exactly 36 tons.

Quote: Doliva63

Why is China now Taiwan?

Do you care? "Where is the river, and where is the estate?"