The idea of ​​re-equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the “strongholds” is hopeless. The opinion of the Ukrainian officer

Re-equipment of the Ukrainian army on Tanks T-84 is unpromising because of the negligible number of manufactured vehicles Rossiyskaya Gazeta opinion of the Public Affairs Officer of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, former commander of a tank platoon Alexei Bobovnikov.

The actual number of T-84 Oplot tanks produced per year is 10 units, Bobovnikov said.

According to him, in order to provide the army with new machines it will take about 10 years, and as long as the re-equipment goes, the tanks will become obsolete.

"Strongholds" do not belong to the new generation of tanks, they are needed by the troops right now. And after 50 years, no one will need these cars, the officer noted. It will take another tank, some T-94, for example, he added.

Recall that at the recent “tank biathlon” of NATO, the Ukrainian crews at Oplotakh took the last place. As tankers told later, the barrels of tank guns vibrated, the fire control system did not work, the automatic loader was switched off. Because of these problems, the crews could not shoot all the ammunition, issued for the competition.

T-84 "Oplot" - the Ukrainian version of the modernization of the Soviet T-80UD. They are engaged in the release of the plant to them. Malysheva in Kharkov. The machine was put into service in the 2009 year. During this time, the APU received a total of 10 "strongholds".

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[dog breeder]

During this time, the Armed Forces received a total of 10 "Strongholds".

As far as I remember from the news, the tanks participating in this disgrace were generally gathering dust somewhere in the backyards!

[siberalt]

How much you do not build your little tower, but the bear will come there at least as if by kindness of soul.

[Shurik70]

The rearmament of the Ukrainian army on T-84 tanks is futile because of the negligible number of vehicles produced ... The actual number of vehicles manufactured per year tanks T-84 "Oplot" - 10 units, said Bobovnikov. According to him, to provide the army with new vehicles it will take about 10 years

Multiply ten by ten. Then we look at Wikipedia, how many tanks in Ukraine.
T-72 - 300 pieces, T-64 700 pieces. About.

[Yrec]

Defense Officer - former platoon commander! Competence, probably like the generalissimo! The power of the “expert” opinion is amazing!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Yrec

The power of the “expert” opinion is amazing!

And what, in fact, does not suit you? The man voiced a completely understandable reason - the Ukrainian military-industrial complex simply cannot produce these machines, which means it makes no sense to rearm on them, what other questions?

[Yrec]

The competence of such an opinion at the level of 7th grade of high school. Can lead to the "expert opinions" of the former commanders of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces? Moreover, the T-84 does not need to be RELEASED, it is enough to upgrade the existing T-64 to its level. At least this shows the level of "competence" of such entities.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Yrec

Moreover, the T-84 does not need to be RELEASED, it is enough to upgrade the existing T-64 to its level.

Dear, if the level of this military in your words is 7th grade. then the level of your comment is the senior group of the kindergarten, because: firstly, the T-64 has an extremely fragile chassis and will not pull as much extra weight as the T-80 chassis, and secondly, the piece of iron is not the problem - the main problem is the equipment that the stronghold plays a major role and accounts for 2/3 of the cost of the tank. That is precisely what Ukraine can’t produce because it was bought a lot from Russia, and there is simply no money for western components. Moreover, there are very serious suspicions that most of the T-84s, including the “stronghold” modification, were not re-made, but simply and banally remade from the old Soviet T-80s, which remained in abundance after the collapse of the Union.

[Yrec]

Have you seen a lot of T-80s in the Donbass? What parts of the APU are they armed with? Where is the abundance of the T-80? Why do APUs use the T-64? After all, it’s clear to the hedgehog that the T-80 is better? Who told you that the Oplot equipment of our production? Why in Ukraine only T-64s are being repaired in factories? Where is the T-80?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Yrec

Have you seen a lot of T-80s in the Donbass?

And you google - after the Soviet Union in Ukraine there were several hundred T-80s, a little T-80U and most T-80 UDs, some of which were modernized in the scimitar modification - very few, up to about 100 - converted to T-84 and the vast majority was sold to Pakistan, a couple of dozen T-84s remained in Ukraine, where some remained T-84s, and some were upgraded to “mainstays”. Most of the remaining T-80s that were not modernized were sold abroad or put into spare parts.
Well and most importantly - in Ukraine there is no production of new tank barrels ... So, they bought the components of the same “curtain” from us. And this is just what I remembered offhand.
So somehow

[Yrec]

Here I am talking about the same thing - there is no T-80 in Ukraine, ALL serviceable T-80s were sold to Pakistan and there is no production of new tanks either. There is a T-64 and all they can do is hang on it all the equipment for at least some kind of modernization of the LMS, and they will purchase tank barrels and other things in the countries of the former airborne forces, it’s clear that everything is on the T-72, but how Something zakalkhozat.

[Albert1988]

As you know, everything rests on the main thing - money and the production base - the Ukrainian defense industry has already degraded so much that even very simple modernization of the T-64 "damask" could be made in the amount of about 60-80 units, that is, the modernization of the T-64 to the level " stronghold "- that is, the installation of a new SLA, new sights and other things, they simply will not pull.

[Romka47]

They use T 64 because only they couldn’t sell it, all T-80s normal were sold long ago, there was a husk. Here you say [/ i] After all, the hedgehog is clear that the T-80 is better? [i], the same can be said about the T80 / T72, T-80 BETTER? IT'S BETTER! but not a single 80ka went to the second Chechen

[Rader]

I did not understand anything. Which tank is the "expert" talking about, which one is being discussed in the comments?
There is a tank called T - 84 Oplot. It was precisely at it that the Ukrainians performed at European competitions (or rather tried to fix them) This is the modernization of the T-80, just like the T-90 is the modernization of the T-72.
There is a tank called BM Oplot (aka "Oplot M" in the "girls"). This is a variant of the machine with a welded turret and new OMS and a "panorama" of the commander. You can draw parallels with the T-90A.
Now the T-84 Oplot, as if no one will produce, is an obsolete machine, the production of which was economically feasible only in the 90s and early 00s (when there were enough T 80s of which alterations were carried out). BM Oplot is a very expensive and complex car (for today's Ukraine). Most likely, it was mentioned in the article about its production.

[Yrec]

The comparison is T-64 with T-80, there is no talk about T-72. The 80s did not go to the second Chechen because the units of the 58th army were not equipped with it.

[Romka47]

They didn’t go there because the experience of the first company showed that they have nothing to do there, here in VO many wrote from the participants that 72ka is better suited for a protracted and brutal war

[Yrec]

The T-80 did not go to the second Chechen one for the same reason that the T-72 did not go to Afghanistan.

[Romka47]

explain why? maybe I have the wrong information? or maybe because the gas turbine engine in the mountains is bad?

[Yrec]

I repeat, the tank units of the 58th army were not equipped with the T-80 and are not equipped now. They were equipped with parts of the ZVO.

[venik]

Quote: Yrec

The competence of such an opinion at the level of 7th grade of high school.

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And here is another "fellow countryman" "drew" !!!!!
I already wrote that "ukrpatrioty" are not only disguised as "Kazakh flags" ..... They are "under the Russian tricolor" enough !!!!!
Hello, "compatriot" !!!!!
PS But WHY not under the NATIVE "zhavyto-blakytny" ???? What? Dumb ?????

[Yrec]

What the hell? What are you talking about? Commentary on the news.

[alexmach]

T-84 and does not need to RELEASE, it is enough to upgrade the existing T-64 to its level

Oh yes, and this person speaks of someone else's competence. And how could you not upgrade them like that?

[Yrec]

What is the problem with money? GTE collective farm is not necessary, the tower is not very different - the MSA for the most part sticks out, you can screw it. DZ - tore off the old, put on a new one. If you want, you can do it. As the Bolsheviks said: practice is the main criterion of truth.

[alexmach]

And the suspension already mentioned here?

the tower is not very different

Not much how much? at least in kilograms?
But the gun is no different?

[Yrec]

The gun is no different. In any case, for landing fixtures. AZ - too. Initially, the T-80 had a tower from the T-64. The T-64 chassis does not pull the gas turbine engine, but why put it there, so it’s not going? The biggest difference in the MSA and DZ, and this chassis somehow takes out, tea is not to go in the mountains.

[DeusExMachina]

Quote: Yrec

What is the problem with money? GTE collective farm is not necessary, the tower is not very different - the MSA for the most part sticks out, you can screw it. DZ - tore off the old, put on a new one. If you want, you can do it. As the Bolsheviks said: practice is the main criterion of truth.

Um, excuse me?
There are quite some specific differences in the VLD booking packages (but you need to understand that, for example, the common 64BV is a five-layer layer: Steel / STB / Steel / STB / Steel.). There are also differences in tower filling packages. And this, at least, does not allow talking about the modernization of the last 64 to the level of 80.

In addition, the differences in running are obvious. Running 64 - too old.
Plus, it is worth noting the serious problems with mobility in the 64-ok. If they go somewhere, then only forward. And even that is not good. And they don’t go back at all. Yes, and this good is unfolding not to say cheerfully.
Further, you can not even mention any differences.

[nekromonger]

You can be a general and a moron.

[Kot_Kuzya]

What's new? The revolution throws up not only foam, but also dirt. In the USSR, a lieutenant (lieutenant by modern standards) Tukhach became chief of arms and deputy commissar of defense. As a result, the Red Army received thousands of useless tanks with cardboard armor, did not have anti-aircraft artillery and heavy machine guns, and millions of rubles were spent on projection projects like television tanks, dynamo-reactive cannons, universal divisions and other ravings.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Yrec

Defense Officer - former platoon commander! Competence, probably like the generalissimo! The power of the “expert” opinion is amazing!

Stupidity do not write here. A public relations officer may be the youngest. He does not set forth his own thoughts, but what the Office prepares for him.
For me, it is a shame that the Chief Conductor of the RA Orchestra is a lieutenant general, but the commander of the underwater strategic cruiser is captain of the first rank.
Is it really so difficult and responsible, in comparison with the possibility of destroying a half-continent, to manage such a complex organism. like an orchestra of fifty musicians?

[taiga2018]

they can’t do anything without Russia, but ambition is ambition ...

[Gargantua]

Ukrainian affairs are almost a mirror image of Russian ones. And they steal from us equally much, and prices are rising by leaps and bounds, they are lying godlessly ... There is nothing to be done, after all, brothers.

[USSR-1]

Quote: taiga2018

they can’t do anything without Russia, but ambition is ambition ...

Do not distract the little things, they are preparing for the occupation of Mars, Jupiter and something venereal, maybe even Venus.

[evil partisan]

The rearmament of the Ukrainian army on the T-84 tanks is futile

And now, somewhere far in Zaporozhye, one Kars silently cried ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

And now, somewhere far in Zaporozhye, one Kars silently cried

Patriot Kars celebrated in Germany. Glory to Ukraine

[evil partisan]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Patriot Kars has made a trip to Germany.

Well, then somewhere in the German region cry.
Hi, jailbroken!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

Hi jail

Wow. Long freed?

[rotmistr60]

And after 50 years, no one will need these machines

50 years are going to fight? Yes, during this time, as Hajj Nasredin used to say: "Either the donkey will die, or the padishah will die." And in Ukraine, both will happen.

[Xander]

Upholstered with rubber rugs and squares a round tank, and you get a square Leopard. Only Indian Arjun with beads is more effective.

[aszzz888]

... resembles a situation with a beggar, for whose soul there is not a bucket ...

[Retvizan 8]

Yes, the secret is simple!
Why should they splurge on some
"Swallow" ?!
After all, Ukraine is switching to NATO standards and will soon buy the Abrams and Leopards!

[LSA57]

The car was put into service in 2009. During this time, the Armed Forces received a total of 10 "Strongholds".

mighty defense industry such a pace ..... and some sort of Azov’s threaten to run

[Oleg78]

The problem of Ukraine (unrecoverable) is that it is not able to build tanks! yes there is a Kharkov tank factory .. but this is the shadow of the factory that was in the USSR, like Antonov Design Bureau, as it were, but in fact they are gone .. only the walls and remains of former employees .. but that tanks, that new planes already will never be able to release

[Greg Miller]

Russians do not need to laugh from Ukraine, this unfortunately awaits us in the future ... When the power in the country belongs to traders and farmers, and the military-industrial complex and the army are determined by financial flows, nothing good awaits such a country. Russia simply has oil, gas and nuclear weapons, which is not in Ukraine ... Remove these 3 terms and Russia simply will not. Without civilian industry, we cannot have a military-industrial complex, without our military-industrial complex we cannot have our own army, and without our army, Russia cannot exist ... We need a new industrialization, mobilization of the economy, without it we will die, die, die. .. But the offshore aristocracy ruling now in Russia is much more important than the ships of the Russian Navy, but comfortable yachts, not the Russian Air Force planes, but business jets, not tanks, but armored limousines ... They believe that everything in this life can be bought for money or for big money ... Cheap farce from the "saints" of the 90s ....

[Kibernes]

The author made a standard mistake. T-84 "Oplot" and BM "Oplot" are different machines. The first ancestor of the second. Now in Ukraine BM “Oplot” is produced for foreign customers, and the T-84 “Oplot” (modernization of the T-80) was produced in the amount of 6-10 pieces and rusted in the storerooms of the Kharkov plant.