Experts: Su-35 will be turned into a real "stealth"

The Russian Su-35 fighter of the 4 ++ generation can remain in service with the VCS for about 25 years, however, this will require continuous work to improve the car, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

Military experts, for example, believe that, in accordance with modern requirements, after some time a multifunctional active phased array antenna (AFAR) will appear on the fighter. Such radars are already being actively installed on American, European, Japanese and Chinese aircraft. This equipment greatly enhances the capabilities of combat vehicles.

The author recalls that in Russia AFAR is successfully tested on Su-57. In the future, these developments, designers can be implemented in the Su-35 fighter. True, AFAR is much more expensive than those antennas that were installed earlier.

In addition, a wider introduction of stealth technologies is expected: in addition to special coatings, it is possible to install radar blockers in the air intakes, as well as the use of conformal armaments between the air ducts of power plants. Such measures should significantly reduce the radar visibility of aircraft.

These developments have already been tested on foreign fighters, for example, on the American F-15SE Silent Eagle.

According to experts, the modified Su-35 will enhance the capabilities of the videoconferencing system and will attract new foreign customers who do not wish to be dependent on the United States and the North Atlantic alliance.

Comments

[Greg Miller]

Today, VFDs are at the peak of their perfection and are in no way inferior to AFARs, which have not yet reached their peak of perfection ... And what will happen in the future - only God knows ... Photonic developments can simultaneously make both VFARs and AFAR obsolete. ...

[Bar1]

third plus attach?

[Grenader]

Quote: Bar1

Experts: Su-35 will be turned into a real "stealth"

If you turn the Su-35 into a real stealth, you get the Su-57.

[bouncyhunter]

If there is an opportunity to improve the characteristics of a good aircraft - why not? The main thing is that the improvements are in demand by customers and suit the price.

[san4es]

Quote: bouncyhunter

... there is an opportunity to improve the characteristics of a good aircraft - why not?

Hi Pash.
.... F-15SE: “cheeks” on the air intake tanks are conformal fuel tanks, the vertical tail unit has a small “collapse”, like all 4+ or 5 generation aircraft, conformal fuel tanks have an internal armament compartment and can not accommodate less than 4 missiles AIM-120

[bouncyhunter]

Hi Sanya! You are always on top! Thanks for the photo!

[san4es]

... C'mon, those ... in the network, such a "good"

Su-35 will turn into a real "stealth"

... Boeing offers the following tuning:

Boeing marketing video (June 2009) showing the capabilities of the F-15SE Silent Eagle stealth version for sale to international customers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml3fr2L6U1k

[Zhelezyakin]

wider adoption expected sels-technologies

- what is it? Is it not a reservation - is it according to Freud ?!

[Gargantua]

Quote: Greg Miller

PFAR today are at the peak of their perfection and are in no way inferior to AFAR, which have not yet reached their peak of perfection ...

Bullshit, PFAR will never be able to compare with AFAR.

[Greg Miller]

Justify ....

[just exp]

PFAR and AFAR have their pros and cons. therefore, having armed PFAR but sensible PFAR is much better than mediocre AFAR. such as our PFAR and Chinese AFAR.
mattresses and Europeans AFAR certainly sensible. and generally better than our PFAR. but the price tag for them is hardly humane and ours decided that it would be better to have 100 fighters with PFAR than 20 with AFAR.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: just explo

have armed PFAR but sensible PFAR, much better than mediocre AFAR

Why are you so about our developers ...

Quote: just explo

For example, our VFAR and Chinese AFAR

And where you can see the true characteristics of the Chinese AFAR, do not tell?
With respect!

[adept666]

mattresses and Europeans AFAR certainly sensible. and generally better than our PFAR.

Well, well ... F-35 has already had 10 problems with AFAR software for 77 years ... There are also questions at station XNUMX ... And TWT in terms of characteristics is not worse than heterostructures ... they surpass them and, as it were, besides performance (scanning speed) Squirrel Irbis will not make and will not make Irbis in the detection range of any existing AFAR at least whose.

and ours decided that let it be better than 100 fighters with PFAR than 20 with AFAR.

You are mistaken, our decided if our plane was not stealth in its pure form, it should see the stealth at the same distance as the stealth with its AFAR. Once again, the TWT makes heterostructures according to the target detection ranges, the mathematics are the same ... the difference is only in the type of transmitter ... And you don’t have to judge by the station by its advertising export characteristics, the 35th station for them and for us the difference = abyss ...

[EvilLion]

From a functional point of view, almost one FIG.

[max702]

Yes, the topic with ROFAR quietly came to naught .. As if hinting ..

[just exp]

why do you think so ?
on the contrary, the ROFAR work is proceeding in full. recently promised to roll out a test sample until 2020.

[max702]

Quote: just EXPL

why do you think so ?
on the contrary, the ROFAR work is proceeding in full. recently promised to roll out a test sample until 2020.

I meant that there is good progress in this direction ..

[Dull]

Quote: just explo

just explo (just explo) Today, 11: 28 ↑ New
why do you think so ?
on the contrary, the ROFAR work is proceeding in full. recently promised to roll out a test sample until 2020.

Believing everything they write, our population will live up to 90 years in 2030, so now the retirement age will be increased only a little, the rest during the raising process. A loan to homies under sanctions has already been agreed, although they are not even registered in the Russian Federation, they are ready to take an insignificant pension from ordinary people now. Glory to the "Sunlike" with the lads!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Dumb

our population will live up to 90 years in 2030

Up to 90 years old? So this will require yet another pension reform ... raising the retirement age to 80!

[Vita vko]

Quote: Greg Miller

Photonic developments can simultaneously make obsolete both PFAR and AFAR ....

The main feature of the photon radar is the possibility of direct conversion of light into electromagnetic radiation, i.e. instead of microwave modules on Gunn diodes, quantum generators will be used. Therefore, formally, this radar will belong to the class of AFAR with quantum generators. But the possibilities are certainly impressive, both in terms of the super-wideband signal with the possibility of creating a hidden radar field, and in the prospect of super resolution and recognition of radar portraits.
Judging by the panic in some Western media, this technology will reduce to $ 0 the cost of Americans to create Stealth and technologically Russia is now significantly ahead of the United States in this area.

[Zaurbek]

AFAR is really more promising and better (indicators, energy, energy consumption, noise immunity) At some points, parity, at some points not. And AFAR can be configured both for small aircraft and for large and for AWACS from the same software modules. . Just a comparison is not as fatal as with helium antennas.

[Muvka]

Maybe I'm wrong, but AFAR loses a lot in energy consumption.

[Zaurbek]

Let’s take it even if they are equal ... on the AFAR some modules can work, some not, some study the radar situation, some put interference at the same time.

[adept666]

Let’s take it even if they are equal ... on the AFAR some modules can work, some not, some study the radar situation, some put interference at the same time.

Yeah, Anderson's bedtime stories? I’ll tell you one big secret that between the PFAR and AFAR the difference is only in the transmitter and in the PFAR if it is not on the magnetron, but like the 35th on the lamp, then the characteristics of the transmitter are much better than a set of matched heterostructures, if some modules can work , and some don’t, then you can throw your AFAR into the furnace because it will be useless ... well, somewhere around 0. The real exhaust from AFAR is only in performance and the possibility of implementing a wideband mode, which is not always an advantage, but here according to the characteristics of heterostructures to TWT even as from Moscow to Beijing by foot)))))

[sabotage]

Quote: Greg Miller

PFAR today are at the peak of their perfection and are in no way inferior to AFAR

Three times HA. What other excuses for industrial weaknesses exist?

[Zaurbek]

AFAR is unambiguous - the future of the location, we are lucky that there is a backlog in PFAR and the lag in opportunities is not catastrophic .... but in the future the modules will decrease in size and the lag will increase.

[Bogatyrev]

And when the locomotives were at the peak of perfection, why were they replaced with electric locomotives anyway?

[Lord of the Sith]

Neither with India, but with Israel it is necessary to stir up joint air projects.

[SETTGF]

Lord of the Sith! There is no need for this ... Russia and its developments are stronger in radar than Israel! Yes, and technology is better - Israel does not produce military strike aircraft, it does not have appropriate technologies. Do not give - do not take!

[SETTGF]

Lord of the Sith! Yes, Israel is not our ally ... he has an "older" brother - the USA!

[Dull]

Quote: SETTGF

SETTGF (Eugene) Today, 10:55 ↑ New
Lord of the Sith! Yes, Israel is not our ally ... he has an "older" brother - the USA!

In Syria, we have many interests coincide, right? Strengthening Iran with our hands there who needs? Yes, Israel has a lot of dependence on NATO, but sometimes "its own skin is closer to the body."

[SETTGF]

Missing - no give - no take!

[LSA57]

Quote: Sith Lord

and with Israel it is necessary to stir up joint air projects.

I would not risk it. they have striped in best friends

[Dull]

Quote: LSA57

LSA57 (Sergey) Today, 10: 54 ↑ New
Quote: Sith Lord
and with Israel it is necessary to stir up joint air projects.
I would not risk it. they have striped in best friends

We buy drones from them, so what?

[LSA57]

Quote: Dumb

We buy drones from them, so what?

So what? We trade with America.
we’ll start with them, stir something up, and they will give us sanctions by order from behind the puddles. and hde project?

[Dull]

Quote: LSA57

LSA57 (Sergey) Today, 15:11 PM ↑
Quote: Dumb
We buy drones from them, so what?
So what? We trade with America.
we’ll start with them, stir something up, and they will give us sanctions by order from behind the puddles. and hde project?

Are we going to buy or discuss a past purchase? Do we have different information in you? Perhaps we did not buy drones from the Israelis? Then, in my opinion, we have nothing to discuss.

[LSA57]

Quote: Dumb

Perhaps we did not buy drones from the Israelis?

you do not see the difference between trade and joint design of weapons in which secret technologies will be invested with a "partner" who at any time by order from above will cease to be a "partner" and will merge everything to your enemy?

Then, in my opinion, we have nothing to discuss.

really...

[Dull]

Quote: LSA57

LSA57 (Sergey) Today, 15: 57 ↑ New
Quote: Dumb
Perhaps we did not buy drones from the Israelis?
you do not see the difference between trade and joint design of weapons in which secret technologies will be invested with a "partner" who at any time by order from above will cease to be a "partner" and will merge everything to your enemy?

I don’t see if they are made in the Russian Federation with the transfer of technology.

[Dull]

Quote: LSA57

LSA57 (Sergey) Today, 15:11 PM ↑
Quote: Dumb
We buy drones from them, so what?
So what? We trade with America.
we’ll start with them, stir something up, and they will give us sanctions by order from behind the puddles. and hde project?

Do I understand correctly that on the basis of Israeli technology we make our drones? Is this not a joint project?

[LSA57]

Quote: Dumb

Do I understand correctly that on the basis of Israeli technology we make our drones? Is this not a joint project?

-we buy parts and assemble ourselves. WE BUY !!!!!! Israel does not take any part in the manufacturing process.
to start ABSOLUTELY NEW, from scratch. we will have to share SECRET technologies !!!!!!! there is a difference?????????

[Dull]

Quote: LSA57

LSA57 (Sergey) Today, 16: 53 ↑ New
Quote: Dumb
Do I understand correctly that on the basis of Israeli technology we make our drones? Is this not a joint project?
-we buy parts and assemble ourselves. WE BUY !!!!!! Israel does not take any part in the manufacturing process.
to start ABSOLUTELY NEW, from scratch. we will have to share SECRET technologies !!!!!!! there is a difference?????????

Does the turnkey assembly say something to you? What do we produce ourselves? We did not receive a production license? How many percent of the parts of a licensed Israeli drone do we produce?

[maxim947]

joint Israeli projects need to stir up with Israel.

Yes? and then Israel is ready to buy a couple of hundred of our aircraft?
It’s better to do everything yourself.

[Dull]

Quote: maxim947

maxim947 (Maxim) Today, 11:09 ↑ New
joint Israeli projects need to stir up with Israel.
Yes? and then Israel is ready to buy a couple of hundred of our aircraft?
It’s better to do everything yourself.

Catch in drones how are you going? Buy from China not proven or proven Israeli. You know, in my opinion, it’s better to rip off the best than to start from zero. China is evidence of this.

[maxim947]

You can rip off, they fly around Syria, land where necessary and study, although there is nothing special without docks to learn. If you cooperate, then do joint production on the territory of the Russian Federation and forth.

[Dull]

Quote: maxim947

You can rip off, they fly around Syria, land where necessary and study, although there is nothing special without docks to learn. If you cooperate, then do joint production on the territory of the Russian Federation and forth.

Have already done. Orlan, what is this?

[maxim947]

So well done, I really don’t know anything about Israel’s participation in this development, I won’t argue.

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Neither with India, but with Israel it is necessary to stir up joint air projects.

I think that the Russian Federation and Israel, though not directly, but indirectly, are about different sides of the "barricades", in a global confrontation. Joint development of combat platforms, with them, is equivalent to joint development with the United States, which is absurd)
If I am mistaken, then correct

[AID.S]

Quote: Sith Lord

and with Israel you need to stir up joint air projects

You correctly noted that Israel is at the forefront of progress. Only Israel will decide what and how to stir up with us.

[Zaurbek]

The question is - what is the price of this, who needs it and how much will it cost in finished form? I'm afraid we’ll come to the price of the T-50. And so the idea is not bad. I would also unify the Su30 with the Su-35 in terms of glider and engines.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Zaurbek

I would also unify the Su30 with the Su-35 glider

Correction, the Su-30 is double, and the Su-35 is single. You can’t unify them in any way according to the glider.
But on avionics and engines, why not.

[Zaurbek]

Make it a Double Su-35S. There are quite a few changes.

[pavelty]

And what kind of Japanese aircraft?)) F-35 ?? And how to put a new radar into a serial aircraft? She doesn’t fit there a hundred pounds ...

[Zaurbek]

What's the problem? In the TCB it may be difficult, but they put it in, and in the Su-27 spacecraft, what's the problem? there the elephant will fit.

[_Ugene_]

Su-35 will turn into a real "stealth"

only if they make a fundamentally new glider, but then it will be another plane, not the Su-35. You can’t make a full-fledged stealth from 4 generations with any coatings, radar blockers, etc. You can reduce the EPR to a meter, maybe a little less (the detection range of the aircraft will decrease noticeably), which is very good compared to 10-20 meters of 4 generations, but call it real “Stealth” is impossible - modern radars easily capture a target with such epr, including missile guidance heads.
As for ROFAR, so far this is just talk, and when it comes to military supplies, we will rejoice, but for now it is not known whether this technology will be brought to the final product at all.

[Zaurbek]

only if they make a fundamentally new glider, but then it will be another plane, not the Su-35. You can’t make a full-fledged stealth from 4 generations with any coatings, radar blockers, etc. You can reduce the EPR to a meter, maybe a little less (the detection range of the aircraft will decrease noticeably), which is very good compared to 10-20 meters of 4 generations, but call it real “Stealth” is impossible - modern radars easily capture a target with such epr, including missile guidance heads.

... and we succeed - the Su-57.

[Dull]

Quote: Zaurbek

Zaurbek (Zaur) Today, 14: 26 ↑ New
only if they make a fundamentally new glider, but then it will be another plane, not the Su-35. You can’t make a full-fledged stealth from 4 generations with any coatings, radar blockers, etc. You can reduce the EPR to a meter, maybe a little less (the detection range of the aircraft will decrease noticeably), which is very good compared to 10-20 meters of 4 generations, but call it real “Stealth” is impossible - modern radars easily capture a target with such epr, including missile guidance heads.
... and we succeed - the Su-57.

In the USSR, as the combine was not created, the MIG 31 turned out in vertical take-off.

[_Ugene_]

By the way, it’s quite possible to make a full-fledged stealth from the Su-57, but they either don’t want to, or really don’t have these technologies at our place, or it can turn out to be too expensive, we don’t pull it for money

[Zaurbek]

Money is secondary here, I think there are questions for mass production of both components and the aircraft as a whole. Coatings did not show at all, without a cab with a coating, there are no grilles on the air intakes. And the geometry of the airframe itself is quite stealth. Moreover, if they did not stealth the plane, why bother with a bomb-bomb ?! Apparently, stealth is the last touch on the plane. and we will see him again.

[_Ugene_]

as I understand it, no further work is planned to reduce the visibility of the su-57, at least there was no such information anywhere, and its fate is not clear at all, maybe they aren’t going to release it in bulk

[gig334]

Quote: _Ugene_

as I understand it, no further work is planned to reduce the visibility of the su-57, at least there was no such information anywhere, and its fate is not clear at all, maybe they aren’t going to release it in bulk

Yes, that’s what’s going on. I think that the Su-57 will not be mass-produced. Thanks to the USSR, its nuclear weapons, it still protects our peace and quiet. Imagine if these were in power in the Second World War, or in the post-war period? we would have been banged for a long time.

[Zaurbek]

That we do not know ....
1. the form of the glider adapted for stealth is
2. weapons bays
3. There are no anti-radar grilles on the air intakes, but nothing prevents them from being installed
4. there is no coating, but nothing prevents it from installing
5. No sawtooth edges. I do not know whether it is difficult to make them or not.
6 Coated lantern. The press announced that they themselves did bent coated glass, we are waiting for a new cabin light.

[EvilLion]

You have identified the EPR by eye. Are strong. And why people are tormented by supercomputing.

[Dull]

Quote: _Ugene_

By the way, it’s quite possible to make a full-fledged stealth from the Su-57, but they either don’t want to, or really don’t have these technologies at our place, or it can turn out to be too expensive, we don’t pull it for money

You can make stealth from a kitchen plate. The only question is cost and demand.

[_Ugene_]

from a plate easily, but from a su-35 it’s impossible, but if you can then get a completely different plane

[Dull]

Quote: _Ugene_

_Ugene_ (_Ugene_) Today, 15:55 ↑ New
from a plate easily, but from a su-35 it’s impossible, but if you can then get a completely different plane

So you do not read others, but write your thoughts stubbornly. In my opinion, you should not distract from your speeches.

[_Ugene_]

if not, then why distract? that would be silent, and so you are no better
By the way, didn’t you think of any thoughts on this issue, except for banalities about plates, or were you so hurt that they didn’t appreciate your ingenious answer?

[trahterist]

Quote: Gargantua

Quote: Greg Miller

PFAR today are at the peak of their perfection and are in no way inferior to AFAR, which have not yet reached their peak of perfection ...

Bullshit, PFAR will never be able to compare with AFAR.

Typical commentary of a sofa analyte

[voyaka uh]

Su-35 cannot be converted into stealth by any force. Its form, sharpened by the speed and maneuverability of the "anti-stealth." Even setting the keels at an angle, as Boeing did in his F-15 Silent Eagle, you can achieve only a slight reduction in the EPR. If even in the new Su-57 they managed to achieve an EPR somewhere around 0.5 m2, then the Su-35 does not succeed in less than 2 m2. But to put, finally, AFAR - it's high time.

[Zaurbek]

They do not want to make stealth from it, here are all decisions like F-15 Silent Eagle and nothing more. It is much more important to unify the entire Sukhoi line of engines and glider. Whatever the Su-27/34/30/35 and all with different versions of the AL-31/41 are not interchangeable with each other, it is better (when upgrading) to immediately consider Product 30 or the AL-41 version

[EvilLion]

Yeah, on the Su-34 expensive engines with UVT ... What else came up with.

[Zaurbek]

UVT may not be .... or it may be .... this is not the main thing in the engine.

[EvilLion]

And I thought that all 4 ++ had a meter with a cap for a long time. Given that they were not created as stealth, there are many things that can be reduced.

[EvilLion]

Resource glider to 30 years. The machine is in production, which is likely to continue after the 2020 year. Total operating life up to the 2050 year. In the process of modernization, maybe more than once.

[Zaurbek]

I think not even two.

[EvilLion]

Modernization projects are not calculated for less than 10 years.