The most important meeting of the fifth anniversary

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We can somehow relate to Donald Trump or to the very need for Russia to strive to improve relations with the United States. But it will still be obvious: the importance of today's meeting in Helsinki is simply impossible to overestimate.

This is probably the second most significant event in the world of international politics since Russia joined the Crimea. And this is not at all an exaggeration, if only because this meeting implies a potential chance, if not to solve the Crimean problem, then at least turn over this page, minimizing for both Moscow the political and economic consequences of the ensuing sanctions war.





No, let's be frank: the chances that Trump recognizes Crimea as part of Russia are few. Or rather, there are almost none. This is primarily due to the domestic political situation in the United States itself, where any radical decision on the Crimean issue, except for the return of the Crimea to Ukraine, will most likely be greeted with both Democrats and a significant part of the republican political agenda. And hardly Trump can afford such squandering with great difficulty scored political points. He is not such an unpredictable politician as his opponents sometimes try to imagine.

Most likely, we can talk about some kind of compromise solution that can be described by the old formula "neither peace nor war." Presumably, we can talk about the consent of the parties (that is, the consent of the American side) to do everything so that the Crimean issue no longer overshadow bilateral relations. Americans will refuse to recognize the Crimea as Russian “de jure”, but “de facto” will agree to stop the sanctions pressure because of the Crimea on Moscow.

However, it is quite possible to expect any additional decisions on Ukraine. No, of course, so far there can be no talk of any political breakthrough in the Donetsk direction. Moreover, no one will officially transfer Ukraine to the Russian zone of influence - this would be too good even for a much later stage of normalizing our bilateral relations. But some progress in the settlement of the conflict in New Russia can probably be expected.

It is difficult to say what exactly the parties can offer each other in the matter of the Donbass settlement. Especially so that it does not look like an obvious defeat of one of the parties. But something can still be assumed.

For the USA and Trump personally, some tangible success is needed. Tangible at least for the media and the American man in the street. And such a visible result of the negotiations could be an agreement on the introduction of some peacekeeping units into Novorossia.

Of course, not on the basis of the Kiev proposals, which differ little from direct occupation. But some more correct option, which Moscow is still satisfied with, can pass.

What can Moscow demand in return? For now, probably not much. But for Moscow, it is still more important not to lose, not to gain. And if, following the meeting, Trump just gives Kiev a good political slap in the face, admitting Ukraine’s systematic violation of the Minsk agreements, it will already work for the Kremlin, knocking the ground out from under the feet of European fans to hang all the dogs on Russia. And given the fact that Ukraine has already given plenty of reasons for such a slap in the face, it will even be quite expected.

The recent injections about Trump’s attitude to Ukraine hint to us that the ground for such decisions is already being prepared. And the recent performance of Poroshenko in an almost empty hall for press conferences indirectly confirms that Poroshenko himself and the Ukrainian problem in general are pretty much fed up with Europe. European politicians with their sensitive noses feel the future changes in the Ukrainian direction, and it looks like no one is in a hurry to appear once again in the society of the Ukrainian president, who has long become a “lame duck” in a quietly crumbling rural “utyatnik”.

However, we must understand that for Trump the topic of Ukraine is not very interesting, since he cannot yet acquire a large amount of political capital on the Ukrainian issue. Therefore, it is likely that the most significant decisions should be expected in the Syrian direction.

Trump has repeatedly declared his willingness to withdraw US units from Syria. And this is entirely in the interests of Russia, as well as its other partners in the Syrian settlement. But it is also obvious that just so Trump will not leave Syria, having tried to bargain as much as possible from Moscow in the Middle East direction.

And Trump's personal interest here is pretty obvious - Iran. Or rather, the withdrawal of Iranian military units from Syria.

We can make such a conclusion if only because Trump does not hide his extremely negative attitude towards Tehran. He emerged from the “nuclear deal” with Iran, has repeatedly called Tehran one of the main threats to American interests, does not hide his desire to reintroduce a full-scale sanctions regime against this country. And besides, this position is fully shared by Israel, whose voluntary lawyer Trump has been advocating throughout his presidency.

For Russia, the issue of the Iranian presence in Syria is not so fundamental: now, when the main forces of the militants are defeated or expelled from the country, and the Syrian army itself has regained high combat capability, Iranian units in Syria no longer have critical military significance. Rather, the question is whether the Kremlin has enough influence on Tehran to convince him to play along with Moscow in a big geopolitical game.

The Kremlin’s influence is probably enough. Moreover, Tehran has achieved its short-term goals in Syria, and it may turn out to be expensive even for Iranians to maintain there a permanent military contingent, and even in the face of increasing sanctions pressure. And if we consider that the passage of American anti-Iranian resolutions in Moscow largely depends on Moscow, Tehran’s interest here is even somewhat broader than it seems at first glance.

And it is very likely that today we will witness the signing of an important agreement, which will be filed as a grand personal success of Donald Trump. He will also drive his implacable enemy (Iran) out of Syria, and he will take a big step in resolving the Syrian conflict, and the withdrawal of American units from the hot spot will bring it closer.

And Moscow seems to get nothing special from this deal. And it may well be that immediately there will be voices screaming that Trump outplayed Putin.

But the bottom line is that Trump and Putin will act together. And they have a common goal at this stage: replay Trump's American critics and untie his hands in Congress a little.

But then it will be possible to negotiate serious things already.

About Crimea, about Donbass.

And even, perhaps, about Kiev ...
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  1. +12
    16 July 2018 06: 00
    If there was need, they would have long met. so there will be no “meeting on the Elbe”, Trump, does not go with gifts like “santa claus,” he goes with the requirements, and we don’t owe him anything, they will talk “about the weather” and run away. (my opinion).
    1. +2
      16 July 2018 07: 41
      Andrei Yuryevich, I agree that Trump is not “Santa Claus”, but a natural barys.
      And Vladimir Vladimirovich, how not to relate to him, is a SMART POLICY and is least interested in playing in Moldova (remember, they played in childhood)
      1. +1
        16 July 2018 09: 30
        Quote: Royalist
        I agree that Trump is not a "Santa Claus", but a natural barys.

        It would be just wonderful for us if Trump could act like a natural huckster towards Russia ... In this case, compromises could be found on almost any issue: the main thing is to maintain a balance of interests of both parties. But Trump is under severe pressure inside the country, and he will not be allowed to agree to agree on really serious issues. I believe that the real success of the meeting between Putin and Trump will be the dialogue itself, as well as the decision to continue the dialogue between Russia and the United States in the future. You should not hope for more! hi
        1. +4
          16 July 2018 11: 41
          -the principle is the same, on the left the character is only white and red
        2. +1
          16 July 2018 11: 54
          Quote: andj61
          I believe that the real success of the meeting between Putin and Trump will be the dialogue itself, as well as the decision to continue the dialogue between Russia and the United States in the future. You should not hope for more!

          Worth it. Trump has congressional elections this year and in order for more of his party members to go there, he needs success. I think that in some matters the GDP can consciously play along with him. The question is, does Trump have such a property as “remembering goodness” so that he could someday feed from his site in the interests of GDP. If later everything will end with the phrase - “To whom I owe, I forgive everything”, then probably we will not see the next high-level meetings very soon.
          1. 0
            16 July 2018 12: 08
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Trump has congressional elections this year and in order for more of his party members to go there, he needs success. I think that in some matters the GDP can consciously play along with him.

            I agree with that. But on what issues, in principle, can we agree? Trump is under severe pressure - opponents within the country will simply not allow him to agree on important issues. Ukraine? Very doubtful! But there are opportunities in Syria. This is a mutual withdrawal of US and Iranian troops from Syria. At the same time, the US’s position in Syria will not weaken - Israel will continue to pursue a force-based policy, as well as existing bases and naval forces in the region, but will it allow them to reach these agreements. Nothing meaningful, but very loud statements are also possible. For example, about cooperation in the Arctic, in space or in the field of fundamental science. Trump is important for the success of the negotiations on the eve of the US autumn elections, and Putin does not need to play along with him. But most importantly, all-so is a continuation of the dialogue. In the first - and the only specially prepared meeting of our presidents for many years - it is simply technically impossible to reach real agreements. A month ago, we already saw Trump's diplomatic "success" in a meeting with the DPRK leader. It is unlikely that success in meeting with Putin will be radically different. The dialogue will continue - this is already good.
            1. +1
              16 July 2018 17: 19
              Putin just wants to tell Trump today why he chose him !!!
  2. +7
    16 July 2018 06: 16
    With the advent of new weapons, even at the testing and debugging stage, the Americans moved, their entire military
    the concept is collapsing, and most importantly, a waste of financial resources. Therefore, they need a comprehensive understanding of all this and, as an important moment, a personal meeting of top officials, this will set the right direction for further actions.
    1. +3
      16 July 2018 08: 06
      Nothing is falling apart. Correctly said above, Trump is a huckster and understands that keeping a bunch of states is unprofitable. He is quite happy with the division of the world. It remains to decide who and where will be the chief ... Well, the composition of the chief is also interesting. It is necessary to decide on China ...
      1. 0
        16 July 2018 09: 23
        Quote: domokl
        He is quite happy with the division of the world. It remains to decide who and where will be the chief ...

        It’s nice to be chief, of course, but the author of the article writes:
        And their goal at this stage is common: to beat the American critics of Trump and slightly untie his hands in Congress.

        Something I do not want to solve the problems of another chief, even if.
        But then it will be possible to negotiate serious things already.
        hi
      2. +2
        16 July 2018 09: 32
        If we talk about the external side of this meeting, it turns out that for us it is much less important than for Trump! I don’t think that the issue of Crimea will be at all, as it will be considered especially seriously! Crimea is Russian! Does anyone seriously understand this? Everything is taking its course and in the right direction. Well, if of course Trump wants to finally bring his European partners into a stupor, then Putin can certainly take him right after the meeting to swim in Yalta! But still I want to recommend to Vladimir Vladimirovich Cape Tarkhankut not far from Yevpatoria on the west coast-Trump will be in shock! Regarding Iran and its almost one of the decisive roles in Syria. If we talk about the military component, then the Iranian military did not represent any decisive value! But they represent for Israel ... And for Trump, this topic is interesting to say the least ... Syria is really a promising point for a shift for the better, especially since Netanyahu has become almost a Muscovite! Fortunately, the leadership of Israel and, above all, Netanyahu has nothing in common even with the Jewish "professors" widely represented at the HE! The Iranians will not stay in the loser, I agree with the author! In Ukraine, I don’t know what to discuss ?! They say that trump huckster! Maybe. But he is a national huckster! Trump is well aware that how many Russia Ukraine does not count anyway Crimea turns out! And so, what’s definitely not necessary to anger Vladimir Vladimirovich! Yes, and very European European happiness is a very costly affair ... For the "friends" of Ukraine, of course! About the Ukrainians (and not about the Russians in Ukraine) we can only say one thing that it’s impossible to fuck up shame with horseradish! Solved this issue! And Russia will not repeat the Stalinist mistake with the zapadentsy! Well, Russian will be Russian! The very fact of this full-length meeting has already shocked all EU leaders! It is from this new point that they will now be compelled to build on both relations with the United States and relations with Russia! China ... I don’t know! China itself has decided to become a world factory of capitalist goods ... I think in this situation Putin will just sit on the shore with a fishing rod, watching that there the first will pass by ... Very beneficial I will tell you sometimes!
        I think that no serious documents will be signed. But the agreement will be reached necessarily! Trump can and should be negotiated. We will not know about them soon, but we will definitely see the results!
    2. 0
      16 July 2018 12: 48
      I definitely agree with this!
  3. +4
    16 July 2018 06: 46
    The defeatist mood of the author. They don’t recognize Crimea, but they can give it to Novorosiy and lift the sanctions. Spit on their sanctions, the fence must be put and clean the country inside. The USSR lived on its own resources and “with its own head” and was a superpower. And Trump is a talking head, since the time of Roosevelt, not a single independent president has been observed in Szczec.
    1. 0
      16 July 2018 08: 08
      With Crimea, everything is clear and true. Soviet Baltic states in a modern form. It will suit everyone.
      But about the independent president, you got excited. Trump huckster. And it will remain forever. And this meeting is just the beginning.
    2. 0
      16 July 2018 11: 36
      Quote: Essex62
      The USSR lived on its own resources and “with its own head” and was a superpower.
      -Remind me -From where in the USSR were taken quality (not tasma / svema!)photo and film films, buses, wagons, precision machines, Fiat-124, ships and ice-class vessels, “grinders”, high-quality paper and more, more, more ...
      1. +1
        16 July 2018 12: 02
        But the situation has changed. Much in Russia is now produced in full cycle. What is it about buses, the USSR did not build buses and ships? Did you buy icebreaker Lenin in the states? All of you are about clothes and comfort, hungry children and homeless old people should not first of all be. Consumer morality will destroy Russia.
        1. 0
          16 July 2018 14: 54
          Whose Ikarus were? They themselves could build LiAZ’s coffins, nothing more ..
          The Finns / FRG did not build ships ??? Yes, they built a couple about 1 / 4 of the entire fleet (non-military !!) of the USSR ... The most thieves' ships for work were the Vyartsilya shipyard
          which passenger cars could build normal themselves?
          Quote: Essex62
          Spit on their sanctions, the fence must be put

          And yes, there was no fence during the USSR — citizens were not allowed in, and the turnover was very good. And even worse — even under Stalin there was no dead fence, there was international trade and very active
          "Fence..." fool fool
          1. +1
            16 July 2018 15: 00
            Quote: your1970
            "Fence..."

            In your thinking.
            All of you here with such bitterness, what was written was done in the framework of CMEA. Do you know what it is?
            And about the turnover. Do you need to look into the Google directory on the account of this very turnover, both in foreign currency and commodity?
            and three post-war decades (1946 - 1975), the Soviet Union exported almost 150 million tons of grain, up to 10 million tons of flour and cereals, including about 100 million tons of grain was delivered to the countries of socialism. So, 34 million tons were exported to the GDR, 32 to Czechoslovakia, 16 to Poland, 8 to Cuba, about 4 to Hungary, and 3 million to the DPRK. Great Britain, Italy also acted as major buyers of Soviet grain. Norway, Finland, Brazil. During the same period, the USSR sold over 3 million tons of meat and meat products, 12 million tons of refined sugar, about 0,7 million tons of cow butter, almost 7 million tons of edible oil, several million tons of fish and fish products.

            It should be especially noted that during these years, especially in the difficult post-war years, when we had to deny ourselves much of what was necessary, we nevertheless exported food, since the money from its sale went to restore the economy destroyed by the war, to further strengthen the economy country.
            http://www.aif.ru/archive/1657019
            1. 0
              17 July 2018 15: 44
              You haven’t tried to read yourself (I’m silent about the opponents, what relation did you have CMEA to Germany / Finland???)
              Quote: The Swordsman
              All here, with such bitterness, what you wrote was done in the framework of CMEA. Do you know what it is?
              in the framework of CMEA (!!) and immediately write:
              Quote: The Swordsman
              Great Britain, Italy, Norway, Finland, Brazil.
              -show where is CMEA here ???
              I’m just a refutation of the opponent’s words
              Quote: Essex62
              The USSR lived on its own resources and “with its own head” and was a superpower.

              and I write - that the trade turnover was oooh very big and not only with the countries of the socialist camp ...
              Z.Y. I not only know what CMEA is - I have been to the CMEA building in Moscow several times THEN ...
              1. +1
                19 July 2018 06: 39
                Quote: your1970
                . I not only know what CMEA is - I have been to the CMEA building in Moscow several times THEN ...

                To happen does not mean to understand what it is-CMEA.
                Pull out the quote and build an opinion around it, passing it off as the opinion of the opponent .... do not troll.
  4. +2
    16 July 2018 06: 59
    Only the lazy did not yet guess at the coffee grounds according to the results of the meeting what issues they would discuss, what to change for. Tonight the picture will be partially clarified, but maybe on the contrary it will become even more foggy.
  5. 0
    16 July 2018 07: 00
    Trump absolutely does not need to decide anything in Ukraine and Crimea. What for it to us - like "the gentleman will judge"? Yes, he really can not. Should he leave the zone of "implicit threats" and sanction pressure into something more confrontational ... How should something be done. A set of tools is not very wide .... Rather, it is very limited.
    1. 0
      16 July 2018 08: 10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Trump absolutely does not need to decide anything in Ukraine and Crimea.

      I agree with Crimea. But Ukraine needs to be thrown onto the shoulders of Russia. We will not be able to raise the economy of BU. The gut is thin with us. But weaken for sure.
      The game is the opposite ... like on TV
      1. +2
        16 July 2018 09: 28
        Quote: domokl
        But weaken for sure.

        The mistake is that many people think that Russia should restore the outskirts. SHOULD NOT!!! NO ONE !!! The GDP understands that the horses are brainwashed cleanly and the opposition to the Muscovites will be enormous. This is a small war in unfavorable conditions for Russia. Do we need this? Those present at the VO will not know what the presidents agreed on, for the people’s statements, of course, they will and the movement will begin on problematic issues, but the Putin-Trump Pact will not be voiced in our lifetime.
  6. 0
    16 July 2018 07: 26
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Only the lazy did not yet guess at the coffee grounds according to the results of the meeting what issues they would discuss, what to change for. Tonight the picture will be partially clarified, but maybe on the contrary it will become even more foggy.

    Here you are right: we will wait until the evening and then something will become clear or confused
  7. +1
    16 July 2018 08: 20
    The author is right: Americans don’t recognize Crimea “de jure”, but they can pretend that they forgot: “it’s not a royal matter” to remember some kind of Crimea. As an example: America did not recognize the de Baltic “Baltic Sea”, but they didn’t break the spears .. If they already recognize “de factors” enough not to introduce new sanctions, then the old ones will be forgotten there
    Most likely it will be said with Donbass like: "there is no alternative to the Minsk agreement", there will be no "political slap" to Kiev now. It seems to me - t.s. preliminary meeting, and then, God forbid, there will be a continuation
    I am not Nostardamus or Wang, but I'm sure: MAY BE PROVOCATIONS. Type: they saw how Vova “novice” watered Skripal (though he is already tired of everyone) or more cynical, like with a Boeing. There are too many who make money for the confrontation. There are a lot of them, and they and we will find
  8. +1
    16 July 2018 08: 35
    The most important meeting of the fifth anniversary

    Such a title speaks of the author’s deep subordination to the point of view when everyone sneezes, every look, every move from the United States, connecting with this the high questions of Russia's existence, such as "to be or not to be ...".

    It is time to respect our own country more and not to offer ways to help "our" Trump in his fight against his own congress, but rather to comprehend that international situation, without friends and allies, into which Russia entered, only trying to demonstrate at least minimal subjectivity in the foreign policy arena.

    And independent in foreign policy can only become conditional on economic independence, with a steadily growing economy, a constant increase in the standard of living of the people and the creation of more just living conditions for citizens.
  9. +1
    16 July 2018 08: 40
    No, we will be frank: the chances that Trump recognizes Crimea as part of Russia are rather small. Or rather, there are almost none.
    ... Without almost .... It is worth the USA to recognize that Krymnash ... This automatically removes all sanctions announced by the USA and Western Europe, a review of many issues in Europe .. All sorts of disasters arise, with consequences ... for the West ... Trump, personally, as a citizen of the United States, can recognize Crimea as part of Russia, but not as, as the president of the United States ... The party will not end with anything, the parties will make moves that they will think about ... But each of the parties, individually declares that she made a strong move ... And so why guess ... Let's see ..
  10. 0
    16 July 2018 09: 01
    I think Trump will be taking the Chinese question. Neither Syria nor Ukraine will bring any surprises in the long run. They are not interesting to him, especially as a businessman. But the Russia-China tandem, this is very serious in terms of economy.
    1. 0
      16 July 2018 09: 40
      Quote: shinobi
      I think Trump will be taking the Chinese question. Neither Syria nor Ukraine will bring any surprises in the long run. They are not interesting to him, especially as a businessman. But the Russia-China tandem, this is very serious in terms of economy.

      On the Chinese question, there is no basis for reaching an agreement. But in Syria they are available. This is a mutual withdrawal of US and Iranian troops from Syria. At the same time, the US position in Syria will not weaken - Israel will continue to pursue its policy from a position of strength. Nothing meaningful, but very loud statements are also possible. For example, about cooperation in the Arctic, in space or in the field of fundamental science. Trump is important for the success of the negotiations on the eve of the US autumn elections, and Putin does not need to play along with him. hi
  11. 0
    16 July 2018 09: 14
    Let's see what happens. But for some reason I think that this meeting will end in nothing. All will remain with you. But the media will then procrastinate this topic for a long time, finding all sorts of shades in what has been said.
    That is, it will be like this: "We sat-potryndel-dispersed."
  12. 0
    16 July 2018 09: 20
    Trump will not concede anything, they generally have not ceded anything to anyone. But Iran wasn’t fighting so much in Syria and putting so many people, including from the IRGC, to take and leave Syria like this following the results of Trump’s meeting with Putin. This is generally funny, the author remove the pink glasses! The most important meeting of the fifth anniversary, if only for Putin, and certainly not for Trump, is less than Kisel-Tv.negative
    PS On the heading I thought that Kamenev had a new fountain of thoughts scored
  13. 0
    16 July 2018 11: 31
    What a different rhetoric of this meeting. When Stalin went to such events, people already jumped out of chairs. And then there is some kind of bidding. Reduce sanction pressure. Agree de facto ...
    Madass ...
  14. 0
    16 July 2018 11: 56
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    If there was need, they would have long met. so there will be no “meeting on the Elbe”, Trump, does not go with gifts like “santa claus,” he goes with the requirements, and we don’t owe him anything, they will talk “about the weather” and run away. (my opinion).


    I think that it will be so, only important decisions will remain unknown to the press or to you and me.
  15. 0
    16 July 2018 15: 08
    Our fifth column, Medvedev, United Russia and the company, has taken all measures to raise the domestic political crisis in the country, which will undoubtedly weaken Putin’s position in negotiations with Trump.
  16. 0
    16 July 2018 15: 56
    And let's wait for the meeting to end .. And then everyone is guessing at the coffee tree .. From empty to empty pour.
  17. 0
    16 July 2018 22: 10
    Quote: andj61
    Trump is under severe pressure - opponents within the country will simply not allow him to agree on important issues.

    -------------------------------
    There is no pressure there already, the whole pair of Democrats went off the whistle, so the residual pressure of the dead receiver of the Democrats. Trump walked around the globalists with a good locomotive and plays his game.
  18. 0
    16 July 2018 22: 13
    Quote: Boris55
    Our fifth column, Medvedev, United Russia and the company, has taken all measures to raise the domestic political crisis in the country, which will undoubtedly weaken Putin’s position in negotiations with Trump.

    ----------------------
    Why all of a sudden? On the contrary, inside our country a purely American agenda is to spread rot on the Russian people. And the American spy GDP perfectly fulfills it; after the 19th year, he agreed on ukrotransit. The main thing is to drive gas and oil to Europe through our friends ’govnor’s.
  19. +1
    16 July 2018 23: 48
    Quote: your1970
    -the principle is the same, on the left the character is only white and red

    The author of the picture in your comment is a complete idiot who does not know what the parallels mean, and correctness when comparing. wassat
  20. 0
    19 July 2018 12: 38
    But the bottom line is that Trump and Putin will act together. And they have a common goal at this stage: replay Trump's American critics and untie his hands in Congress a little.

    I have always despised such forms of interpretation of our foreign policy events, believing that internationally posing problems in this way, bloggers, political scientists and other participants in shows on the Internet and TV booths deliberately mislead readers and viewers, divert my eyes from the essence of the problems of modern Russia.

    America said a long time ago that it considers Russia to be an existential enemy, that is, the very fact of the existence of the USSR / Russia there is perceived as a threat to the existence of the United States, regardless of how things really are here.

    "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat,
    He said, and dragged into the dark forest of the Lamb. "
    Something like this. Only the thermonuclear legacy of the USSR interferes

    Not only the head of the USA is trying to drag Russia into the dark forest, but also those hundreds of billionaires from Russia who have dragged trillions of dollars to America. But the author is silent about this.

    Since the author of the publication is stubbornly seeking a way out in a joint struggle between Trump and Putin for the cause of world peace, the thought arises of the State Department’s hand in this matter ...
  21. -1
    19 July 2018 20: 59

    There is justice. But it is distributed unfairly.
    1. 0
      19 July 2018 21: 17
      You bombed Aleppo.
      And you bombed Racca.)
      You annexed Crimea.
      And you are Texas.)
      In America, many consider Trump a traitor, and in Russia - Putin. I wonder why?)

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