Capture roundwood: Is it true that China robs us of the forest?

This topic with an enviable regularity pops up in the media. Headers a la "Forest Expansion of China", "Forests of Siberia come under the control of Beijing", "China will leave Russia without a forest", sometimes already an eye-beetle. Moreover, such injections are published as small regional sites, and major federal media. So how do things really go with exporting Russian timber to China?

Immediately it should be noted that the Celestial is indeed the largest importer of our round timber. Its annual volume is plus or minus 22 million cubic meters. It can be assumed that these data are partially underestimated. Based on China’s total wood demand, about 170 million cubic meters, 100 of which the Chinese cover on their own, and 30 purchased in other countries, not including Russia, still 40 million cubic meters remain.

If we imagine that exactly this amount of round timber we deliver to China annually, in order to spend all the wood resources of our country (it’s about industrial wood resources, not all), it will take at least 800 years. And if we take into account the fact that in the coming decades, Beijing intends to significantly reduce the volume of round timber import, then no disaster for our forest is foreseen in principle.

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[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Interestingly, the author is a specialist in (?). I would like to hear the "old-timer" of the region.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Vladimir Ter-Odiyants

Interestingly, the author is a specialist in (?). I would like to hear the "old-timer" of the region.

Old-timers engaged in illegal logging

[aws4]

Who are the rags in more detail? or rags do you call local residents whose forests were given for deforestation ??? You can more specifically about the situation if you have information and if you do not own you should not rely not on alarmists who shout from the other end of the country that they all cut down not on such cheap clips of Kremlin crack

[Bar1]

all this lies, the scale of deforestation and burning forests is huge. Bears are killed by HUNDREDS for Chinese medicine, local bosses have their own piece from this, well, all the money goes to Moscow.

[Skifotavr]

Funny site - all the normal ones were kicked out, and the five-columned trolls were left and help them multiply.

[Old Horseradish]

Chinas made a roller.

[Vadim237]

The video quite objectively reveals the state of things with the forest fund - we just like some people to fan a catastrophe out of all shit, the only real threat to our forests at the moment is bark beetles, barbel bugs and fires - every summer.

[Vladivostok1969]

For your information. Fires mask illegal logging. Forests are cut at an accelerated pace. Therefore, so much taiga burns. Cedar is cut, fodder base is disturbed. One adult elm “drinks” 2 cubes of water per day. Elm is gone, soaking has begun.

[Vadim237]

It will not be possible to camouflage deforestation with fires - all hemp as they were will remain at the scene of the fires, there will be a good reason to find and blame.

[your1970]

Quote: Vadim237

It will not be possible to camouflage deforestation with fires - all hemp as they were will remain at the scene of the fires, there will be a good reason to find and blame.

-And the people do not want to think. There are a lot of ways to establish whether the forest BEFORE the fire in this place or has already been cut down

Quote: Vladivostok1969

One adult elm per day “drinks” 2 cube of water. There were no elms, soaking went.

- Do you know that elm grows wildly fast - only 3 years and it is an adult. It’s not pine / cedar that is 30 years old - give a sprout pure from a seed, even birch grows much slower.
In our country, road builders cut mills on chips every year along the tracks, but he still pret. Even herbicides don’t take ordinary ones.
And at the same time - elm is unsuitable for industry, except perhaps for wood chips, nothing more ...

Elm cut down, og ....

[Vladivostok1969]

- Do you know that elm grows wildly fast - only 3 years old and is an adult. It’s not 30 years old pine / cedar - give a sprout pure from a seed, even a birch grows much more slowly

In order for the elm to "choose" 2 cubes of water, it must have enough crown. 3-year-old elm before growing up oh how far. In Ukraine, almost all the elm and hornbeam have already been cut down. They wrote about it about 3 months ago. There will be a desire look for it.

[Vladivostok1969]

sv1970 And at the same time - the elm is unsuitable for industry, except perhaps for wood chips, nothing more ...

Elm wood has a lot of positive properties, for example, it resists decay well in conditions of constant dampness. Wood is strong, hard, resilient, viscous, it is difficult to prick, it is easy to process. It is widely used in the furniture industry, carpentry, engineering and convoy production. In addition to Elm hardness, resistance to moisture and splitting, another property of this material is important - the beautiful texture of natural wood. Therefore, it is often used in the form of veneer on top of other materials. Due to its excellent hardness, this material is great for making bows, tool pens, and baseball bats. Is someone lying?

[your1970]

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Is someone lying?

Quote: Vladivostok1969

Wood is strong, firm, elastic, viscous, it is difficult to prick, easy to process (???????? !!!!!!!!!!)

-it's a start on the topic of lies-a contradiction is complete within one sentence. By the way, the first part is the truth. Elm is different a huge number of knots and curvature of the trunk (to find a straight trunk longer than 3 meters in length is impossible in principle). Elm-three-year-olds already resist the impact of the UAZka-469 bumper easily, and if at least 5 it falls over spring-summer .... -NUX cube we have water grove elm trees
just believe - in our region, apart from maples, elms and poplars, nothing grows, but we understand them. I’m not messing with you with proposals for Manchurian nuts

The fact that the hornbeam was taken out - I believe that someone might be interested in elm-
well, all kinds of people in nature happen - maybe it became boring for someone that he began to process elm, saws get stuck and dull very quickly
just believe - in our region, apart from maples, elms and poplars, nothing grows, but we understand them. I’m not messing with you with proposals for Manchurian nuts
Elm, yeah ....

[Vladivostok1969]

It will not be possible to camouflage deforestation with fires - all hemp as they were will remain at the scene of the fires, there will be a good reason to find and blame.

For your information. First they let down the pallet. Then they draw up permission for the restoration of this site. As a rule, the fire does not spoil the trunks. Here they are felled for three pennies. And I sell it like an ordinary forest. You are far from the forest both geographically and in knowledge.

[igorka357]

First they make a fire around the perimeter of the fire, and then they fell, firstly, secondly, fires are of such intensity that half of the trunk is not suitable, thirdly, there are still mounted fires! You misled people with your wrong statement! and write that they’ll burn them for a penny! And you can’t hide the cutting, as you wrote in a fire! And one more thing, the forest after the fire is only for logs and balance, it is not suitable for export, if there is a good forest and you can take export, not a single stupid person will burn him!

[Vladivostok1969]

Well, well. Defold the hills in the north of the coastal region. I'll see what you get.

[businessv]

Quote: Vadim237

It will not be possible to camouflage deforestation with fires - all hemp as they were will remain at the scene of the fires, there will be a good reason to find and blame.

Namesake, first fire, then extinguishing and decommissioning of the forest plot, followed by deforestation. This I know for certain.

[Romario_Argo]

There are traditionally many forests in Russia. At the beginning of the 1980-s, the total forest reserves for the RSFSR amounted to 72,49 billion cubic meters, including:
• Northwest region: 7,6 billion;
• Ural region: 2,9 billion;
• West Siberian region: 8,7 billion;
• East Siberian region: 27,43 billion;
• Far East region: 21,4 billion.

Three decades later, in a year closer to us 2015, the State Duma Committee on Agrarian Issues reported in the following figures:
• total timber stock in Russia: 81,5 billion cubic meters;
• annual growth: 993,8 million cubic meters;
• suitable for cutting: more than 42 billion cubic meters.
RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/analytics/20180719/1524911949.html

[Baloo]

Capture roundwood: Is it true that China robs us of the forest?

Truth. It is also true that this will affect the climate and weather in the future.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Capture roundwood: Is it true that China robs us of the forest?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLwC-DM1cK4

[Russian jacket]

What can I say, sawing the forest is true, but control is also being put in place for processing. By the way, they are cut mainly by locals who are in power, despite the promise of the governor-communist to end this. Although they are now sawing with caution and looking back. I walk with a dog along the railway. Previously, the trains were mostly driven by round logs, now 50 to 50. In my hometown over the past few years, many “black” sawmills were closed. Minus from this - sawn timber prices have risen. Plus - legal jobs and taxes. There are Chinese on Baikal, but not in such quantities. Crossing Olkhon is not an argument. I do not see this expansion. I live from Lake Baikal 70 km in a straight line. And I’ve been there more than once a year.

[olimpiada15]

Forest can and should be cut down, because nobody needs a mature forest, neither industry nor nature. The only condition is reforestation. It is very surprising that the law was passed recently. This rule of law has always existed, the question is only about the implementation of this law. And the reason for the violations is one, called corruption .. Corruption in the development of the law, control of execution, corrupt customs.

[Baloo]

Quote: olimpiada15

Forest can and should be cut down, because nobody needs a mature forest, neither industry nor nature. The only condition is reforestation.

This is true. Our suburban forests are dense, covered with moss almost to the top. I have several kilometers from the forest to the garden, so even the black chokeberry is covered with spots of moss.
One of my late relatives before the war graduated from the University of Biology. So in the late 70s he told me a curious thing that in our region (Volga-Kama-Sviyaga) the climate and weather began to change when the forest fell on the Kola Peninsula and in those parts. And when after the war also the taiga beyond the Urals, the climate became more continental. But it was almost 40 years ago, I mean the conversation.
Alas, I do not see the action. At school, in nature studies and geography lessons, they taught us how important it is to plant a forest in order to stop soil erosion and ravines. I don’t remember such a summer.

[Victorio]

there are big questions about selling prices, not quantity. and the fact that the Chinese do not give a shit about nature and ecology except for the blind, these are the problems of Russia

[Vadim237]

We need to take 50 rubles per kilogram of wood from them - more than a trillion rubles will be exported from 22 million cubic meters of wood.

[ASASHOKA]

Our homegrown businessmen who want to cut some money and more, you can at least get a stake on his head. They will cut and sell anyway, and, as a rule, they will not do it legally (saving money), possibly under cover / under the roof and in places where it is easier to do and a lot. As they say - "money does not smell." They themselves are to blame for dissolving the people and allowing them to engage in lawlessness. It is visible that not everything is in order with the law enforcement - purchased, see.

[igorka357]

Are you all so smart here, are I going to take a look? I work at the largest enterprise Ilim-Pulp, Ilim Group in Ust-Ilimsk, believe me, if it weren’t for the timber industry, the ninety-thousandth city would definitely end! There is everything, and the extraction and processing and production of pulp , everything is ... a decent salary, the equipment is all new, the company sponsors the city just fine, schools, kindergartens, sports clubs, a stadium .. Jobs, all the youth work there and enjoy life! And oops, you can’t sell wood to China and make pulp, which is used by 70% of the world market, but you’ve blasted it! You all who are not screaming forests, welcome to us in the taiga, climb a tower on any or a high mountain .. as far as your eyes see, there will be a green taiga! I personally, over a fifteen-year career in the forest industry, more than a million seedlings were planted, even if a thousand sprouted already, and I’m not alone .. we except the directors didn’t go to the planting, and all sorts of engineers, mechanics and craftsmen ... just planted! And they didn’t count the fires! Whoever needs to, take an interest in our enterprise and ask for favor in Ust-Ilimsk, it’s all kinds of crybaby there about the maximum salary of 15 thousand, try to work normally and you will have everything! Yes, I almost forgot, by the way I am a regular tractor driver .. otherwise you’ll think that I’m in a managerial position, although I drive the tractor with two fingers ..

[VladVlad]

Ask Putin! How many millions hectares did he lease to China for 99 years ????? By plane you fly Chita, Irkutsk, the territory at Baikal. Everything is cut down there!

[Vadim237]

Yes, yes, yes - everything is cut down straight.

[Vladivostok1969]

Is it really visible from Moscow? Even when you stand on a stool, you won’t see anything. There are virtually no roads in the forest circle. Now it’s summer. Forests will be scorched. Winter will come along rivers and winter roads. There where 10-20 years ago behind the goats there were stumps and branches.

[Vadim237]

I go to Irkutsk twice a year; I haven’t seen any naked forests.

[Berg berg]

Want to say they chop in a city park? Take a trip to the forest closer to the border, there is the exact same thing in the photo.

[igorka357]

Don’t tell my sneakers, dear Vladimir ..) Fifty years have been chopped in one place and fifty years grown! Well, we have nature like that .. we won’t cut down the whole forest, and the Chinese won’t cut down! And I’ll not ask Putin, but the Russian soldier, whether he likes the army now, I will ask a normal skilled worker if he likes the salary, and loafers and idlers will always yell that they are paid little .. and Putin personally owes them 200-300 thousand a month bring, well, dear with you, after weaving Putin here .. everything is clear!

[Citizen 90]

If you really plant more than you chop - well done. People howl not from controlled clearings, but from illegal ones. Work for health. Everywhere would be so, for everything that is not raw is ruined in our country. I myself come from a small town in which almost the entire population worked in several large factories. The plants are now barely dying. The people who where.

You dragged Putin here. And about ZP - and the truth, I’ll go as an engineer from the defense industry enterprise to tractor drivers. We all go, how many of us are. We’ll leave our pennies for decent salaries, otherwise we work badly, if we get a little, according to your logic. The truth is unclear how then, in general, something new appears under the yoke of Moscow intermediaries - feeders for managers.

Let’s see how many “restraining factors” exist without such poorly working people. As long as he is - a factor - they try to buy / sell us and succeed a lot (thanks to the "authorities"), as soon as he is not there, they will simply come here under the pretext of anything - even the liberation of us oppressed from the authorities that were sold to them. A lot of examples.

Or do you think the army - if it is supported with a decent pension compared to the average salary, a pension of 45 and certificates for apartments - can it survive if something happens without equipment? .. (Or is it supported not against an external threat, but will there be enough clubs inside?)

ps Remember, “all professions are needed, all professions are important,” and then say that everyone who gets a little is just not working well.

ps.2 The term "broad-minded" he is not a passing. He is needed. To understand the foregoing by me, too, and not look only from your bell tower.

[Radical]

Capture roundwood: Is it true that China robs us of the forest?

Truth! And not only forests ...

[Palagecha]

The more we arm the Armenians for free, the better they will protect us in our markets ...

[Berg berg]

In China, for illegally cut down a tree - execution! And our hectares are being cut and spit on the Motherland, money does not smell. We must learn from the Chinese.

[Archon]

very often the forest burns free during forest fires. it’s even worse than the crazy deforestation.

[Dmitry Konoplev]

Well, he won’t leave without a forest, but he will ruin it thoroughly. I’ll also add that in Ulan-Ude these comrades are nagging like kittens. They set fire to the forest on their own then carry out a reorganization type. Local if they are found, sometimes they do not return from the forest.

[gorunov]

A veneer production plant was built in Asino, Tomsk Oblast, almost all Chinese work there (the Chinese are paid 2 times more than the natives for the same work, but the locals don’t go). Wagons with cut down forest go one after another, it’s hard to spoil the whole dog and it’s hard to overtake. There are places where everyone sawed to the horizon. The climate is changing, steppe plant species have begun to appear.

[Hort]

Oh, there was a wave of "denials". Apparently, the film "Russian Taiga" made a lot of noise