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2008 is on the threshold again

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2008 is on the threshold again

The political crisis in Greece threatens to cover the world with a new wave of economic crisis. Another attempt by Athens to form a new government, undertaken over the weekend, ended in vain. As a result, the prospect of excluding Greeks from the euro zone became even more pronounced, and world markets on Monday continued a massive fall, turning into a landslide. The situation is increasingly reminiscent of the events of the infamous 2008, marking the beginning of the global economic crisis. The only difference is that if four years ago the collapse of the largest investment bank Lehman Brothers became a signal to the general collapse, now the collapse of an entire country in the eurozone could become a detonator of a financial catastrophe.

On Monday, the German DAX index closed down by 1,94%, the British FTSE 100 lost 1,97%, the French CAC 40 decreased by 2,29%. Traditionally, the Russian stock exchanges sank even more: the MICEX index fell by 3,49% to the 1337,42 point, and the RTS index went down by 3,59% to the 1401,74 point.

The main Asian indices fell less noticeably. South Korean KOSPI decreased by 0,18%, Singapore's Straits Times Index - by 0,69%, Mainland China's Shanghai Composite index dropped by 0,60%, Hong Kong's Hang Seng - by 1,15%. And the Japanese Nikkei 225 even grew to a close of 0,23%.

In Europe, statistics on industrial production in the eurozone added to the reports from the Greek fields (in March 2012, the figure dipped by 2,2%, and not by 1,4%, as expected). And in Russia, the mood of investors spoiled the oil prices, which also rushed down against the backdrop of European turmoil. The cost of June futures for US light crude oil WTI (Light Sweet Crude Oil) as of 19: 58 Moscow time dropped by $ 2,16, or 2,25%, to $ 93,97 per barrel. June futures price for North Sea Brent crude oil mixture dropped $ 1,7, or 1,51%, to $ 110,56 per barrel.

And even the “safe haven”, the favorite by investors - gold - did not stand. June futures for precious metals in New York on the Comex exchange as of 18: 49 Moscow time fell by 1,43% - to $ 1561,30 per troy ounce.

Recall, 6 May in Greece held early parliamentary elections. Since then, the three parties that won the largest number of votes cannot agree among themselves and form a government. President Karolos Papoulias has already joined the process, but his participation has not brought success yet. Negotiations are continuing, and observers are more confident in talking about the inevitability of holding repeat elections in June.

The main obstacle to the creation of a new cabinet was the rigid position of the radical left party SYRIZA, which showed a second result in the elections and put an end to four decades of domination of the PASOK and New Democracy parties in the political scene in Greece. On Sunday, its leader, Alexis Tsipras, refused to enter a government that supported austerity measures. SYRIZA is confident that Europe’s neighbors will not stop financing the Greek economy even if the country refuses to restrict the restrictions imposed by lenders.

This position resonates with the local population. During the week of political chaos, the popularity of the party has increased dramatically: if 6 in May SYRIZA received 16,8% of the vote, then according to polls conducted last week, now it is already supported by 28% of Greeks. And this means that SYRIZA has every chance of becoming one of the leaders and having the opportunity to form its own coalition, which can refuse to fulfill the conditions of the EU and IMF loan.

However, such self-confidence can leave Athens sideways. In Europe, they openly declare that they are ready to put up with the exit of Greece from the eurozone. For two years, the monetary community managed to prepare well enough for such an outcome. The loss of a fighter will, of course, be painful, but not fatal. True, the aggravation of the general recession in the region cannot be avoided. And this, in turn, will ricochet across the global economy.
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  1. Bob
    Bob 16 May 2012 08: 10
    +5
    2008 is on the verge again - it is both an economic and what is more dangerous - a WAR crisis (following the "example" 08 08 08). This time, a military operation against Iran is being played out. The question is no longer whether or not there will be a war. The question is when will it be? And how will Russia behave in this conflict?
    IMHO - the operation will happen much sooner than it seems - on the 20th of May (for example, May 23 is the day Iran launches its next satellite, as well as the day resumption of negotiations on the Iranian nuclear issue in Baghdad). Russia, however, will take an active part in this conflict - acting ahead of the curve and seizing priority positions in Asia and, most importantly, in the Caucasus, since this is vital for Russia itself.
    The start of the war may well be initiated by the West itself - for example, a "pseudo" attack by the Iranian military on NATO facilities (ships, economic infrastructure, military infrastructure, etc.), there are plenty of those in the Persian Gulf. In general, a pure PODSTAVA ... in which amers have long been seen.
    1. alexng
      alexng 16 May 2012 08: 18
      +9
      I found it on the internet:
      Want to save money? Store them in different currencies and in different banks! Dollars in a tin can, euros in a glass, rubles in a wooden laughing
    2. esaul
      esaul 16 May 2012 08: 19
      +6
      Vladimir, fireworks. Well, many of us have such an association. This syndrome - "August 2008" will sit in the brain for a long time. What to do - the valiant tie-skinnied him beyond measure.
      Well, while the Greeks, along the way, this year will be remembered in the same way as the 90s.
      You will not envy them, but, frankly, I do not want to sympathize when they have such parasitic moods in their heads bully ------- SYRIZA is sure that Europe’s neighbors will not stop funding the Greek economy even if the country refuses to impose restrictions imposed by creditors.


      Read more: http://topwar.ru/14435-2008-y-snova-stoit-na-poroge.html
      ---------- bully
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 May 2012 09: 01
        +5
        It will be difficult for Greeks, but the EU understands that Greece’s withdrawal from the euro zone will become the detonator that is not enough to blow up the entire EU ... Now the money will go there ... They won’t get richer, but they will be forced to work
        1. volcano
          volcano 16 May 2012 17: 11
          +3
          Domokl welcome and support. All right. With the EU, the domino principle applies in all its glory. Throw Greece and Europe to an end. A trap into which advanced Europeans drove themselves. Well, the US brother set a trap. There is no doubt about that. Amers never needed another center of power. They could only ruin the USSR, and then hello Europe united. The CIA was upset ..... we drank a seagull ...... And drew a new plan for the collapse of the EU.
    3. Slayer
      Slayer 16 May 2012 09: 09
      +1
      Quote: Bob
      This time a military operation is being played against Iran. There is no longer a question whether there will be a war or not. The question is when will it be? And how will Russia behave in this conflict?

      I think the war against Iran will be postponed this year. A war with him requires a number of conditions not fulfilled by NATO - for example, Syria has not been taken yet, which was supposed to fall according to plans in the winter and which would be a springboard for an attack on Iran. Iran is far from Libya and Iraq - for a successful attack on it, a ground operation and a military contingent of up to 1 million people are needed. What does it need to bomb it from several directions - Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Syria. An equally important factor is the inability to deploy such a large contingent in the occupied countries and provide it at the proper level, then Russia will 100% close the transit. That is why Syria is so needed for a war with Iran. So for now, Iran can live in peace)) And if he still manages to create nuclear weapons, then he will protect himself 100% until the construction of missile defense is complete, they also barked at Korea, and when they saw the nuclear weapons fell off
      1. teves
        teves 16 May 2012 10: 08
        +3
        In Russia, exchanges have been falling for the fifth day already, capital export has reached a record level, economic growth indicators are being revised downward - but everyone is discussing the situation in the world .... in Greece in particular fool
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 16 May 2012 10: 34
          0
          Well, the RTS, for example, fall and fall before the low of last year. It has been falling steadily since the beginning of March, after rising from the beginning of the year, and not on the 5th day. So, not everything is so bad winked
        2. warrior
          warrior 16 May 2012 10: 40
          -4
          And in Russia, why? After all, Russian banks do not hold Greek loans.
      2. DERWISH
        DERWISH 16 May 2012 12: 27
        +1
        IF IRAN WILL GIVE UP TO CHINA THE PROBLEMS WILL BE AND MEAN AND THE WAR IS NOT ABOVE THE MOUNTAINS OF RUSSIA THIS IS NOTHING !!!
        1. 755962
          755962 16 May 2012 20: 18
          0
          The Lisbon Agreement has conditions for a country to leave the EU, but this agreement does not consider leaving the Eurozone. The European Commission also confirmed that it has no idea how to leave the euro area without leaving the EU. In any case, leaving the EU would mean the need for amendments to the Agreement, which essentially means negotiating the withdrawal of Greece from “privileges and obligations” with all other parties to the Agreement. This will be a long and dirty process, during which financial markets will panic to withdraw capital, spreading the default infection to the rest of Europe and the global economy.
  2. ward
    ward 16 May 2012 08: 13
    +3
    You can’t be a little pregnant ... poor Greece ... recently, on the Internet, I noticed that the Greeks work more than anyone else in Europe ... but the point ... it seems like everything needs to be done following the example of Iceland ... that is, to send these banks far .. . far ... plus ..
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 16 May 2012 08: 21
      +6
      I have a friend there. Yesterday just spent. We ask - why go there, there is a crisis. She replied - what a crisis, they both did not work and did not work.

      "In Greece, in the midst of the economic crisis, the whole island" went blind "- for the sake of 360 euros a month.

      This is a benefit from the state. Until recently, 2% of the population - 700 inhabitants - were considered blind on the island of Zakynthos. Rumors of fraud have been around for a long time, but the check began only when the mayor was replaced. Fake certificates were issued by an ophthalmologist at a local hospital. Both taxi drivers and hunters received benefits.

      “This offends not only the blind, but also other disabled people. If you look at the numbers, they are far from reality. When all this was revealed, it turned out that even taxi drivers were considered blind. Healthy people like you and me, ”says the local.

      The names of the fraudsters have not yet been disclosed and they themselves are not affected, although fraud is a matter of law in Greece. True, so far the blind do not pay benefits.

      Ephraim does not pretend that he does not see, but until it is all over, she cannot see the money. “Our daughter has not received a dime in the last 4 months. And they won’t get it until they finally figure out who is blind and who is not, ”the parents of a blind girl complain.

      Social fraud in Greece has been a problem for decades. Analysts say that the amount of social benefits to “benefit hunters” exceeds 2 billion euros per year. "
      1. esaul
        esaul 16 May 2012 08: 34
        +3
        Aventurinka,
        Julia, welcome. Your friend said funny! laughing I personally received this information at a time when the crisis in Greece was just gaining momentum. Numerous surcharges were practiced, and so "exotic" that one is amazed at the ingenuity of getting a freebie. There were such, among others, as a bonus for washing your hands more than five (I don't remember the exact number) times during a working day! fool
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 16 May 2012 08: 42
          +4
          esaul,
          Good day to you too.
          Once again, we are convinced of the metered information that we receive. On the one hand, a bunch of people who live on benefits. On the other hand, a number of reasons provoking people to riots.
          And the truth (as usual) is somewhere far away ....
        2. volcano
          volcano 16 May 2012 17: 18
          +1
          Esaul and Aventurinaa hello. Absolutely agree. I also heard such pearls about their salaries, that the jaw fell off. For example, they had extra payments for the fact that the employee washes his hands (about 20 euros), or is not late for work (this is visible instead of punishment for being late). This is just what I remember from memory. And here it is. Courier surcharge of 100 euros for the fact that he carries documents. As if this is not a direct duty of the COURIER. Well and so on. Of course, when the country works for 2 rubles, sorry euro, and lives for 10 there will be problems unequivocally. The Greeks did not know that to live well, you have to work hard.
      2. zevs379
        zevs379 16 May 2012 08: 40
        +1
        Quote: Aventurinka
        Social fraud in Greece has been a problem for decades. Analysts claim that the amount of social benefits to “hunters of benefits” exceeds 2 billion euros per year.




        It turns out that all of Greece as blacks in America? But in the United States, even whites work.

        This is a sweet word - FREE. wassat







    2. borisst64
      borisst64 16 May 2012 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: ward
      Greeks work the most in Europe


      What a news!! Always read the opposite!
    3. Sniper 1968
      Sniper 1968 16 May 2012 16: 50
      0
      Quote: ward
      ... poor Greece ... recently on the Internet flashed info that the Greeks work most in Europe

      Well, I would not say that. No. The Greeks are famous lobsters. Their favorite job is to sit in the shade, drink a coffee pot and complain about life.
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 16 May 2012 08: 43
    +4
    I never understood request by virtue of savagery. They have a crisis, and We suffer. They live on some benefits.

    - You generally live in the world by proxy, you don’t have anything, you are a starving man.

    3,14zdets!
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 16 May 2012 09: 00
      +6
      Due to the same savagery, the more I learn the real facts about life in Europe, America, etc., the more I get the confidence that I am not on the way with them.
      You cannot screw a light bulb into a chandelier in your own house. There are specially trained people with a license for screwing in light bulbs who will do the job for 6 euros each. And if you suddenly change the bulb yourself and the neighbors find out about it - they will definitely inform the police and you will be fined - 40 euros for the bulb that you screwed yourself ... fool
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 16 May 2012 09: 33
        +3
        Julia good afternoon. I would then be planted in Europe, I would build a house myself to the last nail, and I don’t have any furniture at all.

        Yes, not exactly one of two. In Europe, he would either sit or be a millionaire. Can take a chance?
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 16 May 2012 10: 07
          +9
          Good afternoon. And who knows. They are building there from bottles of the house, from any garbage .... And without licenses. At a colleague's cousin, a relative screamed at the phone when he was fined for installing an antenna on the roof of his house in Canada.
          I have a classmate - a linguist. Was in Germany for an exchange. Type for immersion in the language environment. Lived in a family. They gave her a laptop. When she (contrary to all the laws of physics and computer science) stuck a pirated copy of Russian Windows there, the Germans thought. But when she drew a Russian layout on the keyboard with white nail polish .... I quote:
          "They had such an expression as if they understood why they lost the Great Patriotic War." bully
  4. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 16 May 2012 10: 22
    0
    Even if Greece is kicked out of the EEC, the blow will be primarily on Greece, the EEC is Germany France Italy Austria and the Scandinavians, the rest is tinsel and colonies
  5. crossbow
    crossbow 16 May 2012 10: 36
    +1
    2008 is on the threshold again .....
    Why again? This problem, that is, the dependence of the Russian economy on oil and gas exports, has been more than 40 years old, and in the last 20 years, when imports grew incredibly (and at the same time its already low production collapsed), the dependence of the budget on oil and gas revenues, the problem worsened without exaggeration tenfold if not hundredfold.

    Quote: Aventurinka
    Due to the same savagery, the more I learn the real facts about life in Europe, America, etc., the more I get the confidence that I am not on the way with them.
    You cannot screw a light bulb into a chandelier in your own house. There are specially trained people with a license for screwing in light bulbs who will do the job for 6 euros each. And if you suddenly change the bulb yourself and the neighbors find out about it - they will definitely inform the police and you will be fined - 40 euros for the bulb that you screwed yourself ..

    Sorry, I do not believe.
  6. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 16 May 2012 11: 11
    +1
    Guys, this crisis is actually nothing more than a transition period, it’s necessary to relate to it, time will pass easier and our descendants will be perplexed by how stupid we were ...
    There is only one way out of the crisis - they will give up money and start building a new world using all available technologies and developments, and this is not nonsense. This is a fact. WHAT THE POLICIES HAVE DONE FOR YOU ?! Sent to war, deceived, and so on and so forth ...
    scientists give you light into the house, a car to drive, computers and many other things that make your life easier and politics is a brake THIS EXTRA PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH A MODERN FINANCIAL SYSTEM BASED ON REVENUE MAIN BRAKE EVOLUTION ON THE PLANET !!!
    And here is the price? the main thing is the resources and we can build houses, dress ourselves up and we have the time to think about the resources
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 16 May 2012 19: 56
      0
      KAZAKHSTAN,
      The idea is not new, but utopian! Since a person does not know how to exist together (which is required for civilization without money), money will soon appear again! winked
  7. Kite
    Kite 16 May 2012 11: 16
    +1
    We have long been instilled with envy of the American (Western) way of life. It turns out this life is in debt, it turns out there "quietly and peacefully" because everyone is in debt and are afraid to open their mouths so that the creditor does not immediately demand to return everything. It's hard for the Greeks, they are used to it, but I'll try to calm you down. Everyone will have to get used to living within their means again.
  8. S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 16 May 2012 13: 40
    +1
    But we would not give a damn about this world crisis, if not for Yeltsin, Chubais, Gaidar and Putn with his WTO! Integrated into the global economy on ..., to the ears. Now get ready to disentangle all that ... that has accumulated in the world of capitalism. The gates to our Motherland are open - liberal democrats have tried!
    http://www.argumenti.ru/toptheme/n337/173182

    And after all, our managers took care of their inviolability in the first place.
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%ED%F3%F2%F0%E5%ED%ED%FF%FF_%EF%EE%EB%E8%F2%E8%E
    A%E0_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8_%E2_%EF%E5%F0%E8%EE%E4_%EF%F0%E5%E7%E8%E4%E5%ED%F2%F1%F2
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  9. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 16 May 2012 14: 28
    0
    The crisis is primarily associated with the private activities of a private bank called the Fed and the uncontrolled printing of beautiful paper called "dollar". Because you want to print more and less and less.
    Greece’s exit is, first and foremost, sovereignty over its own currency and the ability to print its own equivalent of goods and services produced in Greece.
    For Russia, the accumulation of reserves is fraught not in real values ​​(gold, industrial equipment, infrastructure), but in the number of printed pieces of paper with the name Euro and Dollar.
    A big blow to the economy came from Iran with its rejection of the dollar in the calculations. Another blow will be after the release of Greece. China as a global factory will survive. Well done Chinese spit on the United States and print their yuan as they want.
  10. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 16 May 2012 16: 58
    0
    I don’t understand: what is everyone rushing about with this disparate Greece? Cut it out of the euro zone and throw it away. Let them return to the drachmas.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 16 May 2012 20: 02
      0
      Sniper 1968,
      That’s why it rushes! Because it pulls the whole world financial system (adventurous in its essence) with a stone to the bottom
  11. IGR
    IGR 16 May 2012 20: 04
    0
    Quote: Sniper 1968
    Cut from the euro zone and throw it away. Let them return to the drams.


    The feeling that the Greeks will suffer the least. This way of life. South. But the losses of EU apologists (at whose expense the banquet?) + Pre-default countries (by the way, also Southerners) + Young Europeans (harsh Estonian and other eastern states) are very noticeable. There is no certainty in the solidity and stability of the old woman of Europe.
  12. uizik
    uizik 16 May 2012 20: 09
    +1
    Greece and the EU, let them figure it out themselves, and let Russia restore its ekonomiku faster!
    1. IGR
      IGR 16 May 2012 20: 41
      +2
      Rather, it does not restore but builds anew. And here is an ambush. There are no specialists - only managers and exporters of gas, oil and gas and metal fishes.
  13. warrior
    warrior 16 May 2012 23: 28
    +1
    Why do Russians rejoice at the financial problems of the EU? I do not particularly understand. Greece’s exit from the EU will cost the union about 100 billion euro. This is the fifth of the existing reserve. In parallel, the euro and the price of petrol and related products will fall. Both of these trends are bad for the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, and Azerbaijan. Profit will fall. A low euro stimulates EU exports and manufacturers in China, Korea and the rest will lose some of their market. This means that the demand for cheese will fall further, that is, Russia and all exporters of cheese will again lose money. Like it or not, EU financial problems mean impoverishment for Russia.
  14. Magadan
    Magadan 17 May 2012 07: 32
    0
    We have a country with a bunch of resources. With a still educated and qualified population. With still existing science. With a huge territory that allows, in the event of a drought in one region, to grow food in another. With an Army that is still capable of fighting off "assaults".
    What prevents us from forgetting about crises in general? We are self-sufficient. Especially with Belarus and Kazakhstan. Is that China with their consumer goods needed.
    What is stopping us? Only the lack of a system that allows all this to be combined and used for the benefit of us. Who is responsible for the system? State bodies. Everything is to blame for bureaucrats who are not able to work, who can only gobble up our money (taxes) and come up with other dirty tricks, all sorts of by-laws and other rubbish, because of which we are forced to hang out at their offices, instead of working.