MO of India: Russians, work on FGFA yourself, and we will return at the final stage

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Indian Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman commented on the decision of the Ministry to the local press regarding the FGFA fifth generation fighter program. Recall that the project was originally conceived as a Russian-Indian, then, at one of the stages, India decided that it was necessary to cut funding, and some time ago in New Delhi they announced that their participation in a joint project was curtailed due to "inconsistencies fighter parameters originally stated. " However, the Indian press, referring to the experts, repeatedly wrote that the Indian Defense Ministry may return to the program "under certain conditions."

What are the specific conditions in question, and Ms. Sitharaman told Indian journalists. Her statement publishes edition The Economic Times (India):

We told Russia that India is no longer part of this project (FGFA), but also told the Russians that they can continue it themselves, and we can join the program at a later stage.

MO of India: Russians, work on FGFA yourself, and we will return at the final stage

Remarkable Indian logic. While the intermediate result does not satisfy the Indian side, it declares about the termination of its participation and the revocation of contracts for financing projects. And when India sees that Russia turns out a fighter suitable for Indian requests, it “promises to return.” It is as if agreeing with a partner to start a joint business, then withdraw your funds from the business in the most crucial period, saying that the intermediate income does not satisfy, and add: partner, you are doing business yourself, and when you get the result, we will come back to you. And yes ... - Russia, do not forget to transfer our technologies to us!

With this approach to partnership with India, there is a prospect of being left without 5 generation fighters at all or buying F-35 on American terms - up to paying for upgrading American on-board software and before purchasing American tankers.

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maxim947 14 July 2018 11: 24
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MO of India: Russians, work on FGFA yourself, and we will return at the final stage

An ideal option for us) only it will be the SU-57, and there let them call it whatever they want.
1. Thrall 14 July 2018 11: 33
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  In any strange situation, start dancing.
  Indian folk wisdom
  1. Gargantua 14 July 2018 11: 58
    
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    Now again, many "smart" commentators will remember about the kinship of Hindus with gypsies, about dancing with tambourines, about elephants, etc.
    1. Logall 14 July 2018 12: 17
      
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      Quote: Gargantua
      Now again, many "smart" commentators will remember about the kinship of Hindus with gypsies, about dancing with tambourines, about elephants, etc.
      
      "Clever man," you yourself remembered! Once it came to your mind, then this is your opinion ...
      Afraid of a hangover? Coward. After all, it’s the cygan that they adopted cunning from. Kinship!
      1. Gargantua 14 July 2018 12: 23
        
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        What is unpleasant when you are poked in the face of your ignorance? Of course it’s unpleasant, but it must be done so that you do not lose touch with reality at all. And many lost it, this connection, and already constantly, over and over again they repeat what stupid Indians are compared to them.
        
        Logall 14 July 2018 12: 28
        
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        What is unpleasant when you are poked in the face of your ignorance?
        
        So I don’t have such commets. This is the first! In this article, except
        - Russia, do not forget to transfer your technologies to us!
        , there is nothing to comment ... Yes, that's just you, with your pomp.
        
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        Logall 14 July 2018 12: 53
        
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        So glorious, daring, affectionate, refined
        Our language is Russian, which cannot be conveyed.
        Well, I am his son, he is corrupted by his simplicity ..
        I can’t afford to embrace it all! (Log ....... Alexander)
        Shame on your people? Yes, my friend, not Russian!
        
        USSR-1 14 July 2018 13: 42
        
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        Quote: Gargantua
        What is unpleasant when you are poked in the face of your ignorance? Of course it’s unpleasant, but it must be done so that you do not lose touch with reality at all. And many lost it, this connection, and already constantly, over and over again they repeat what stupid Indians are compared to them.
        
        It seems now it’s clear where the login came from. I sympathize. Close and family
      2. Sergej1972 14 July 2018 12: 28
        
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        There are dozens of peoples in India, and only some of them are related to the gypsies. Moreover, as far as I know, Indians consider marriages with gypsies unacceptable.
    2. PalBor 14 July 2018 12: 55
      
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      We did not forget.
    3. TermNachTer 14 July 2018 17: 23
      
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      No, just remember the old folk wisdom - then it will be much more expensive.
2. Trek 14 July 2018 11: 36
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  but they also told the Russians that they can continue it themselves, and we can join the program at a later stage.
  
  In India, "advisers" from Israel clearly wound up in power .. Strange they behave in recent years
  Although We (Russia), like no other country in the world, know what this threatens ..
  1. Aaron Zawi 14 July 2018 11: 44
    
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    In India, "advisers" from Israel clearly wound up in power .. Strange they behave in recent years
    Although We (Russia), like no other country in the world, know what this threatens ..
    
    Poor Russia if people like you in it influence anything.
    1. venik 14 July 2018 11: 57
      
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      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Poor Russia if people like you in it influence anything.
      
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      Poor, poor, State of Israel, if, SUCH AS YOU Aron, someday, on ANYTHING will be able to INFLUENCE!!
      1. Aaron Zawi 14 July 2018 12: 18
        
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        Quote: venik
        
        Poor, poor, State of Israel, if, SUCH AS YOU Aron, someday, on ANYTHING will be able to INFLUENCE!!
        
        I don’t influence anything except my family. I'm fine as it is.
        
        g16.ru 14 July 2018 13: 25
        
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        Aaron, a convincing request - we don’t need to tell us what WE are bad, then you don’t know where you need to go. Your Russophobia is already very annoying, go discuss this topic on YOUR Israeli forums.
        Thank you in advance for your understanding.
        
        Aaron Zawi 14 July 2018 13: 33
        
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        Quote: g16.ru
        Aaron, a convincing request - we don’t need to tell us what WE are bad, then you don’t know where you need to go. Your Russophobia is already very annoying, go discuss this topic on YOUR Israeli forums.
        Thank you in advance for your understanding.
        
        Who are you? I kind of talked to Trek. It was after he, when he dragged the Jews to neither the village nor the city. And my post is definitely Russophile, for people like Mikhan cannot be trusted to lead even one person, and he is eager to decide for Russia.
        
        Piramidon 14 July 2018 14: 17
        
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        And my post is definitely Russophile
        
        Oh, how suddenly you fell in love with Russia! All your posts are thoroughly saturated with Russophobia and propaganda - "Israel" ponad u "in the Middle East! Russia has nothing to do there!"
        
        venik 14 July 2018 20: 55
        
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        I don’t influence anything except my family. I'm fine as it is.
        
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        It remains to find out "is it good for the family" ???
  2. Piramidon 14 July 2018 11: 58
    
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    Why do they need Jewish advisers. They are gypsies themselves, and the scammers are in their blood.
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      Why do they need Jewish advisers. They are gypsies themselves
      
      So for me it has long been that gypsies, that Jews, one and the same, would like to know if the DNA of these two fraternal peoples was carried out?
      But in fact, if. This feint is called by the ears, And do not sit there, and eat a fish. Let's see how it ends.
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        I would like to know if the DNA of these two fraternal peoples was carried out?
        
        According to Soviet scientists, according to Darwin's theory, different peoples descended from different breeds of monkeys. The Chinese are from the Shim-Pan-Zen breed, the Jews are from the Abramgutang breed, and the Russians are from GOVRILLA.
        
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        Georgians came from Shimpa DZE, and Armenians from MakiKyan! I agree with Gavrila, a cute monkey!
3. Maz 14 July 2018 11: 42
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  1. cniza 14 July 2018 12: 23
    
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    You can always find a profitable solution, do not want no need.
Greg Miller 14 July 2018 11: 26
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The trick that grows into stupidity can Indians eventually leave without the 5th generation ...
1. donavi49 14 July 2018 11: 41
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  F-35 - same. Yes, and while twitching does not make much sense.
  Main friend:
  JF-17 Block 3 - the main fighter will be, yes with AFAR, yes with stealth, but not higher than 4 +.
  Plus everything old - JF-17 current, F-16 and others.
  
  They will scrape up a maximum of money for the Su-35 / Chinese 5 generation squadron.
  
  China - well, India does not fully pull China. Therefore, not much will change.
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    JF-17 Block 3
    
    How do you imagine India purchasing Chinese aircraft?
    And their money there was about 2 billion, well, yes, they lost. They themselves are to blame, neither the deadlines, nor the performance characteristics.
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      The main friend (and who the Indians sworn friend with a bunch of wars?). I wrote about Packs. That they basically have their JF-17 + their main money goes to the development of Block3. Plus F-16. They will scrape up a maximum of money for a small amount of Su-35 or Chinese prodigy 5 generation.
      
      In a strategic vein, the balance will not change. But with China it has already changed a long time ago and the Hindus cannot be objectively corrected - the economy will not stretch.
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        India with China in the counter. They fought, disputed territories, border conflicts. And China is Pakistan's first ally, the question is: what are the Chinese J-20/31? Only Americans or us. Given the pace of construction - the Americans. And from a political point of view. Europe will not be in time.
2. scientist 14 July 2018 13: 23
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  Quote: Greg Miller
  As a result, leave it completely without the 5th generation.
  
  In principle, there is sound grain in this.
  Firstly, now it is already possible to think about scientific research and the draft design of the 6th generation, the funds for this need an order of magnitude less.
  And secondly, for the defensive purposes of its territory it is more logical to develop air defense and missile defense systems, all the more so since stealth technologies do not work for ground radars of m, dm - stealth range.
Fedoslov 14 July 2018 11: 30
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Putin and India profiled
1. Muvka 14 July 2018 11: 35
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  And your brain ...
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    When are the cons back !? There was a vote, the cons won by a wide margin!
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      Quote: Trevis
      When are the cons back !? There was a vote, the cons won by a wide margin!
      
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      I'm afraid then many of the "leaders" from the Forum would be in a "disbath" !!!!!
2. Thrall 14 July 2018 11: 35
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  Quote: Fedoslov
  Putin and India profiled
  
  Shaw, again?
  1. just exp 14 July 2018 11: 49
    
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    Look at the date of the reg. This is an American election bot.
3. ultra 14 July 2018 11: 36
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  Quote: Fedoslov
  Putin and India profiled
  
  The fact, and also in our house, the entrances ceased to be cleaned, I also think Putin could not do without it!
Zubr 14 July 2018 11: 38
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We told Russia that India is no longer part of this project (FGFA), but also told the Russians that they can continue it themselves, and we can join the program at a later stage.

For God's sake, but it will be a completely different story and a completely different price for the final product, clearly not in favor of India.
1. venik 14 July 2018 12: 14
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  For God's sake, but it will be a completely different story and a completely different price for the final product, clearly not in favor of India. smile
  
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  Well EVERYTHING as ALWAYS !!!! On the "vacant position" of the most "cunning ......" (oh, sorry !!!) - The most "cunning-booty" claim, as always: Ukraine and India !!!!
  1. Zubr 14 July 2018 12: 24
    
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    Well, what to do if the stereotypes are .. We didn’t come up with them, this is a diagnosis ...
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    Look, you will receive a warning from a very adequate Banshee and another female administrator who has forgotten the name, and with a strange explanation
    1. Aviator_ 14 July 2018 13: 41
      
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      It's easy here
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  For God's sake, but it will be a completely different story and a completely different price for the final product, clearly not in favor of India.
  
  Sure ? They will throw it off, our partners are in the same place, India has always traditionally gravitated towards Russia, this is our geopolitical ally. So they will tell us. And they will explain that without a contract with India, our plant producing the SU-57 will be left without orders and it will be closed. And it will be as before, the Indians on the T-90, and the Russian army on the T-72.
  1. Zubr 14 July 2018 19: 58
    
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    Wait and see .. time will put everything in its place. And about the T-90, this is a survival method. But the money was earned on the T-14. I myself was born and raised in the Union, but I never welcomed the method of making friends and allies for myself, through gratuitous technology and the services of our cool military. specialists. And then we write off billions of dollars for beautiful eyes. Sorry if something is wrong ... I will say more, we have no allies and never will be.
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      And about the T-90, this is a survival method.
      
      Nobody argues, but in our time, when Russia is really surrounded by enemies, and this enemy is approaching with a quiet glander every day, it’s stupid to feed the supposedly allies first, and only then their army. And the fact that our government has no enemies, this is said around the clock.
      Our main enemy is not the United States and NATO, but the population of the Kremlin.
parusnik 14 July 2018 11: 49
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As this situation reminds: Well baby, where's your Carlson? He flew away ... But he promised to return.
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1. Vadim237 14 July 2018 12: 39
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  Our Defense Ministry and the defense industry development committee, Su 57, are also beginning to be less interested. They will buy an installation batch of 50 aircraft, all the achievements from this aircraft will go to modernize the Su 35, then export production, and there the sixth generation will take off.
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  I think so too. They want to see how the Su-57 comes in. With new engines (?), With AFAR (?), With stealth-coating (?).
  After all, it is clear that a joint project would be the same.
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    Greetings, Alex!
    Something your flag has changed ... The wonders of the "Internet" ???
    As for the Su-57, there is one "funny cartoon" - now there are active developments in the world of "photon radars" (both the States and Russia and China are working ..... As for Israel, they are "off course") ... And the presence of this system makes the "stealth technology" actually "meaningless" ......
    In fact, what the heck is asked to sacrifice aerodynamics and apply the EXPENSIVE multilayer coatings if the plane is still perfectly detected by the "photon radar" ??? ...... Maybe this is what "all trick".........
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      "now all over the world are actively developing" photon radars "////
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      Can you imagine what a photon radar is? This is a computer processing of pulses of thousands of lasers mounted very tightly.
      It is clear that in the distance such a radar will be significantly inferior to radio radars. But the clarity of the image is much superior. And the compactness of the "antenna". In any case, the case again rests on electronics. Whoever has it more developed will make such a radar first.
3. alexmach 14 July 2018 16: 41
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  If development is delayed, they will buy the same F-35
  
  Will they even sell it to them? What about technology transfer? Well, in general, of course, wait and see what comes of it all.
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Strips 14 July 2018 11: 56
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. It’s the same as if you agreed with a partner to start a joint business, then take your money out of business in the most critical period, saying that the intermediate income is not satisfactory, and add: partner, you do the business yourself, and when you get the result, we will come back to you.

When the partners started a joint business, one of the partners promised the other to fulfill everything with the specified requirements, and the very intermediate version by which it is already clear what the product will be like, showed that the partner could not do this
bald 14 July 2018 11: 57
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Reasonable savings, only when the soup is ready, you have to eat it at the full price, without publicity of the recipe.
newcomer 14 July 2018 11: 59
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they don’t have a “five” bucket from the inluses, well, unless they buy the FFA’s eadrille without the benefits of a project participant (I really am very sleepy). there is a purchase option 35x, or they will return to the old project of modernizing the 30MKI park to Super Dry. but I doubt very much that the money there is not small. they run around, in the end they’ll buy 57e, like a regular importer of weapons.
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Well, again, to blame the Indians, they are such, they are such, this topic is endless and meaningless. Even if India had never entered the FGFA project, there would probably have been people on this site who made extreme India.

No worse is the topic in which ours, even in the Su-57 project, is compared to either the F-22, which was completed almost 20 years ago, or the F-35, which is being produced by hundreds.

But the question is why, over the 20 years of development in Russia, the 5th generation fighter has not been adopted yet, when the 2-stage engines will appear for it (it’s very convenient to extend the development period in stages), when the PD-14 engines will finally be delivered, when the planned release of IL-476 by the company of the son of Rogozin (a young aviation man of about 30 and a little leads the direction of the entire military transport aviation) will begin, when, finally, they will do something better than the An-2, which is more than 70 years old, etc.

The question is what is happening in the country with aviation in particular, and high-tech industries in general. And then the question follows, in general, what is happening in our native country, the mundial, a meeting with our Trump or something else?
Graz 14 July 2018 12: 13
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Well, they came out and left, there is no turning back, if they want to buy an export version of the su-57, but they will not be able to transfer any technologies anymore and there will be no assemblies in India either, you can’t get any curtsy with such sub-machines, the Yankees also don’t have 5 generation technologies aircraft will not be transferred
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Well, the flag in their hands and a drum around the neck ... Money will be different ... a little more ...
gukoyan 14 July 2018 12: 13
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Damn ... There’s nothing to write ... Hindus are such Indians)))
Vkd dvk 14 July 2018 12: 38
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If you decide to return, then first let them calculate the NEW participation price.
It will be decently different from the one that would be in the original version.
Turgon 14 July 2018 12: 52
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Indian games of great power in the absence of a great power.
_Ugene_ 14 July 2018 12: 58
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Actually, a normal approach, suits the result - they pay, they don’t like it - they don’t pay, what’s wrong? So the FGFA project really does not suit them. And what they will have as a result with aviation is their headache.
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Quote: akudr48
Well, again, to blame the Indians, they are such, they are such, this topic is endless and meaningless. Even if India had never entered the FGFA project, there would probably have been people on this site who made extreme India.

No worse is the topic in which ours, even in the Su-57 project, is compared to either the F-22, which was completed almost 20 years ago, or the F-35, which is being produced by hundreds.

But the question is why, over the 20 years of development in Russia, the 5th generation fighter has not been adopted yet, when the 2-stage engines will appear for it (it’s very convenient to extend the development period in stages), when the PD-14 engines will finally be delivered, when the planned release of IL-476 by the company of the son of Rogozin (a young aviation man of about 30 and a little leads the direction of the entire military transport aviation) will begin, when, finally, they will do something better than the An-2, which is more than 70 years old, etc.

The question is what is happening in the country with aviation in particular, and high-tech industries in general. And then the question follows, in general, what is happening in our native country, the mundial, a meeting with our Trump or something else?

and I’ll add about the development dates from which horror takes, for example, how much ANGARA was developed, it only surprises how quickly the Crimean bridge was built. the truth is we don’t know how much dough was sent there
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It's time to stop transferring technology to the Hindus. They don’t want to invest in development, they don’t want to take risks, but they want technologies!
Let them buy a mattress guano. And it’s time for us to organize trade with Pakistan.
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If not for Hindu money ...
Aviator_ 14 July 2018 13: 45
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For the last 10 years, joint projects with Hindus have regularly surfaced in my work, after a while they disappeared under far-fetched pretexts on their part. Now all communication with them is disgusting. It seems to be the same here.
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  Are you sure that there were no problems on your part? Hindus disappear imperceptibly (leave in English) when something disappoints them in a partner. But they never talk about it openly. Then we need to find out all sorts of roundabout ways.
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    I am confident in the absence of problems on our part. It has already been suggested that they have advisers from Israel.
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      For the last 10 years, joint projects with Hindus have regularly surfaced in my work, after a while they disappeared under far-fetched pretexts on their part. Now all communication with them is disgusting. It seems to be the same here.
      
      Apparently, you are poorly able to identify customer needs. Others somehow work with the Indians. What are they doing wrong?
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        Clients are served by footmen, as well as in the Public Service (at the hairdresser, laundry, etc.). We do not have customers, there are customers. We do not serve them, but work according to the agreed terms of reference.
        
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        Customers are served (at the hairdresser, laundry, etc.). We do not have customers, there are customers.
        
        Oh you! I’m even afraid to imagine how you are selling with such approaches.
        
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        Not everything should be imagined. There was such a character from a joke, so he tried to imagine a square trinomial, but could not, and did not enter the academy. As for sales - this is not for me, this is in the shop.
        
        sabotage 14 July 2018 21: 37
        
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        Not everything should be imagined. There was such a character from a joke, so he tried to imagine a square trinomial, but could not, and did not enter the academy. As for sales - this is not for me, this is in the shop.
        
        So I understood. You are very smart, but you don’t need anyone. And say you definitely have no problem)))
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And comes in and out .. wonderful out (Donkey Eeyore)
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They can enter and exit a million times, and no one will be able to prevent this, and never will. The main question is how much does it all cost. The more frictions the more, as it should be, the more expensive.
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Here are gypsies, prickly hedgehogs! All combine.
Normal ok 14 July 2018 14: 37
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And when India sees that Russia is getting a fighter suitable for Indian needs, it "promises to return"

It is a logical approach.
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No wonder, the country of the third world. You can cooperate with them only for the sake of a tick.
Very inconsistent people.
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    You are wrong. India is the most dynamically developing country in the world and in 10-20 years the first economy is prophesied to it. China is no longer keeping up with it. But with our GDP growth, with our technological structure, we really risk becoming a third world country.
    
    you are straightforward and do not blush !! all indicators that India, that China go purely due to the huge population !!! if we take in terms of per capita, then both of these countries are much lower than Russia !! I'm not talking about, to put it mildly, unsatisfactory living conditions !!!
    
    The sun is at its zenith, there is an unbearable heat - at 50 degrees Celsius. Mona, 13, lives in a slum in Delhi. In such heat, she consciously refuses water.
    
    “I try to drink less water, because our toilet is open, without doors, and hooligans constantly hang around. I'm afraid to go there,” Mona says.
    
    She restricts herself in eating to go to the toilet no more than once a day.
    
    Mona goes to the bathroom with other women - early in the morning or late in the evening.
    
    About 524 million people in India, according to the UN, do not have toilets.
    
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-44632916
    
    when you tell tales, do not assume that no one knows anything !!!
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      1. Nikolai Grek 14 July 2018 20: 48
        
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        In terms of GDP per capita, China lags behind Russia quite a bit and will overtake in the very near future.
        
        and you really or don’t know anything, or troll so mediocre !!! per capita GDP at the PPP of China - 78th place, Russia - 48th ... that's 30 positions !!! India finally at 122 place !!! do not consider that in these countries there is some kind of serious economic miracle ... all the results are purely due to the huge number of people !!!
        
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        Nikolai Grek 15 July 2018 17: 14
        
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        You are the troll, Greek. I compared GDP per capita, and you pulled out the most convenient and most controversial GDP per capita at PPP. And in the previous comment PPP you did not mention.
        
        Well, so on PPP and gives a more or less real picture !!! the face value depends on the dollar exchange rate ... want to say that Russia's GDP fell 2 times after the 2-year dollar growth at the end of 14 years (does this result from viewing the Russian GDP at face value) ???
        
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Dormidont 14 July 2018 15: 02
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We need to translate the song "Antoshka, Antoshka, let's go dig potatoes ..."
Reserve buildbat 14 July 2018 15: 09
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Well, advise them to return. To the very ... where they came from.
Vasyan1971 14 July 2018 16: 17
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"... but also told the Russians that they can continue it themselves, and we can join the program at a later stage."
But then there will be completely different money and there will be no technology ...
Zaurbek 14 July 2018 18: 15
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In any case, this is interesting for Russia. Selling an additional 100-200 pcs to India is a very big help and their production in Russia. And for normal profitability, you need another client.
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serge siberian 14 July 2018 19: 02
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These partners in good organization have already flown. But who knows, our helmsmen can swallow.
Rusticolus 14 July 2018 20: 29
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And rightly so. May the Indians come later.
And we will transfer technology and a hundred copies to them for a million rupees ... nuts from the left rear wheel of the PAK FA.
Let the rest themselves.
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"... but also told the Russians that they can continue it themselves, and we can join the program at a later stage."
But then there will be completely different money and there will be no technology ...

And no one will be surprised if technology is transferred for the same money.
Recently, our government has been issuing such performances that there is nothing to be surprised at.
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You are wrong. India is the most dynamically developing country in the world and in 10-20 years the first economy is prophesied to it. China is no longer keeping up with it. But with our GDP growth, with our technological structure, we really risk becoming a third world country.

Perhaps you are right, but at the moment we are not washing our families in the sacred river Ganges.
Igor Levertov 14 July 2018 22: 01
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Let somersault on F-series American cans until they grow wiser. Why are we such friends? Only commodity-money relations: money, as they say, in the morning, goods in the evening, or goods in the morning, money in the evening, but money ahead!
romb 15 July 2018 08: 13
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Everything is logical. Hindus say: correct mistakes, and bring the project to mind somehow yourself. Without our money. Well, and we, perhaps, will buy a product when it begins to meet our requirements. So to speak, in fact, India, from a partner and co-developer of the program, gradually changed its status to one of the hypothetically possible buyers.
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  Everything is really logical: the Indians are no longer our strategic partners for Russia and it’s naive to count on Russia for someone! You can count only on yourself and, most importantly, BEFORE EVERYTHING, on yourself. In the modern world there are no friend states, there are only national interests of each country. The main thing is that the leaders of Russia understand this as soon as possible if they are really capable of putting the country's interests above the momentary benefits of certain not-so-patriotic people.
Igor Levertov 15 July 2018 14: 13
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Why spend money on another fifth-generation Su series fighter? There is already one "Drying": Su-57, so on this ready-made base you need to work on a 6th generation fighter. Moreover, another 5th generation aircraft is being developed in Russia, which is not very reliable to intercept launched ballistic missiles at an altitude of 32 - 42 km. Development goes to the final stage, the working title of the ATN-51 project is “Black Plague”. At the moment, the RF Ministry of Defense does not provide official information on this project. But if the Indians want to buy a finished product - for God's sake, when it is ready - we can sell, but without access to technology: nothing personal - only business!
Igor Polovodov 15 July 2018 21: 56
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Russian and Sanskrit are one common roots ... related ... yes ...
the main thing for us to see for ourselves this aircraft in the ranks!
Vlad5307 15 July 2018 21: 58
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Avaricious pays twice - a fool always and at exorbitant prices!
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We told Russia that India is no longer part of this project (FGFA), but also told the Russians that they can continue it themselves, and we can join the program at a later stage.

Point one: The customer is always right.
If the customer is not right, see point one
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  India is not a customer, but a partner, and the partner is mostly only in terms of financing. They rewrite the requirements on the go, imagine an intestinal upset by an elephant and get a complete picture of how fast and volume they are dumping more and more "Wishlist".
  Since I had the "happiness" to be present at the acceptance of their tank products, I am responsible for my words.
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  And if the Customer is not the Customer, but a cheater-scammer, then how? Which item is valid?
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Under the USSR, all developments were initiated by designers. And in production were offered when all the most difficult was decided. For example, Grabin delivered about 2000 ZIS-3 guns to the Red Army before receiving permission from Stalin to manufacture it. Special simplified options were offered abroad that were always easy to improve. Now in Russia there is a problem with design developments. They must be financed from the very beginning, which lengthens and complicates the project. Hindus just want to work on old conditions and pay only for the work done and not take risks. They can also be understood, because the main thing is the calculations and the developer. And now the developer can go to work in a financial structure, go to Israel, the USA, China, Korea, Japan, or even India.