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There will be more of us on 10 million, or less on 10 million. And the retirement age should be raised ...

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Service of sociological monitoring (Rosstat) on its official Online for a certain period of time, it “keeps” a publication with forecasts on the demographic situation in Russia for the period up to 2036. One of the predictions concerns the population of our country by the end of this period. The forecast is divided into three parts: low, medium and high.


Thus, according to the calculations of Rosstat specialists, within the framework of the “low” option, the population of the Russian Federation will decrease by 2036 by the end of 10 by millions of people and will be 136,7 million of citizens. At the same “low” version of the forecast, it is noted that by 2036, the birth rate in the country will fall by about a third and amount to 1,18 million babies. For comparison, during the year 2017, about 1,69 million children were born in Russia.

There will be more of us on 10 million, or less on 10 million. And the retirement age should be raised ...


In the “high” version of the forecast, it is noted that the birth rate will slightly exceed the 2017 indicators of the year, making 1,71 million babies. At the same “high” version, the number of citizens of the Russian Federation by December 2036 of the year should be 157 million people, that is, on 10 more than a million more than today.

Thus, even the official sociological monitoring service presents data that are divided by as many as 10 millions in both directions: the population “may decrease” by 10 million people, and “it may increase” by 10 million. are the exact conclusions of the economic plan, which can be used to calculate macroeconomic indicators for 17-18 years? The question is open.

But Rosstat, without hesitation, announces that by 2036, the number of Russians between the ages of 65 and over will "surely grow." According to the “low” version, this number will rise to 6,1 million people, and according to the high one - to more than 12 million. And on this basis, the ideologists of raising the retirement age and report that it is impossible to do without raising the bar. The fact that the population of the country may in the medium term collapse on 10 millions of people, the ideologues of the well-known variant of pension reform are not considering, guided by the convenient forecast that "the older generation will definitely be more." And if all the same will not? ..
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 July 2018 10: 45 New
    43
    It is necessary to come up with a popular horror story by limiting the term of work in senior government posts and in government bodies to 60 years for men and 55 years for women. And it will be called: "WHERE TO GIVE TO THE FORMER DEPUTY OF THE STATE DUMA TO EARN A PENSION?"
    1. For example
      For example 14 July 2018 10: 47 New
      42
      If the care of the elderly lies on the shoulders of the working people, then why does the state creep into this process? Why should we still feed various funds?
      It is more honest for the state to abandon this activity - to stop robbing citizens who work.
      Announce a retirement plan. Thus, the sn of each will increase by a third. And everyone will independently dispose of their money.

      And let this whole Kodla from the pension fund go to work.

      They (the servants of the people wassat ) even the thought does not occur to him that it’s criminal to climb into someone else’s pocket. For them, this is the norm. Ghouls.

      Particularly striking cynicism of women who are in this pack. Where have the feelings given by God to women gone? Or do we have English women there?
      1. Logall
        Logall 14 July 2018 11: 18 New
        20
        Already reformed! And each worker had to provide himself a pension. But, as always, something went wrong and abandoned this idea, because in this case the pension fund would have to be abandoned over time. But what about the state apparatus?

        And for reference:
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 14 July 2018 11: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: For example
        Announce a retirement plan. Thus, the sn of each will increase by a third. And everyone will independently dispose of their money.

        And after another denomination or default - Ubasute? Will we send the elderly parents to the mountains for starvation, in order to get rid of excess mouths, as was the case in ancient Japan? Isn’t it easier to send “effective managers” there instead of rejecting a state pension?
        1. For example
          For example 14 July 2018 13: 36 New
          16
          Said just to say?
          Not a penny is paid by the state. All money is paid out of funds collected from us. This is our money and part of this money is taken by the state for payments to officials.
          Palaces with the inscription FIU in each region.
          By increasing the age of retirement, officials are cutting spending. Pensioners for an official are an expense item.
          Don't you really understand this? What the fuck Japan with its tales ???
          The state played in "business". Kindergartens and schools - business, public health - business. Now, retirement is a business process. Ghouls.

          And it is power that makes the denomination, none other. And the goal is the same - to rob the population by devaluing accumulation. All to whom I owe - I forgive. wink
          You continue to pray for Dimon and EP. love
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 14 July 2018 16: 53 New
            10
            Quote: For example
            You continue to pray for Dimon and EP.

            You haven’t messed up anything?
            Retirement age 60/55 years, generally the achievement and conquest of a socialist society, so I’m “praying” for them
            Under Yeltsin, the FIU came up with all the attempts to change the Soviet pension system by the "reformers", only worsened the derivatives of the original.
            You propose to abolish pensions altogether as social protection of the population, arguing that they are stealing and using them for other purposes. You’re like in that joke: "To evil ... (to crooks), I will frostbite my ears (I will refuse pension).
            It is not necessary to refuse a pension, but to change the anti-people’s, anti-social system, together with all its institutions of power. And hold your "righteous" anger for those who spread their ears for noodles, went and voted first for the EP in the State Duma, and then for the Guarantor, who joined the old-new Government, which presented these "long-awaited gifts" to everyone!
            Or maybe you are just a provocateur and with such a proposal you play into the hands of the authorities in their dream to get rid of the “social network" at all?
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 16 July 2018 12: 15 New
            0
            Quote: For example
            And it is power that makes the denomination, none other. And the goal is the same - to rob the population by devaluing accumulation. All to whom I owe - I forgive. wink
            You continue to pray for Dimon and EP. love

            "Just leave it here" (c) http://www.iarex.ru/articles/58831.html
      3. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 14 July 2018 16: 35 New
        +2
        Do not worry) The pension system has already been abandoned. Left only the funds that pull money from the working population. They also need to provide their own piece of white bread with black caviar on a golden tray.
      4. prapor55
        prapor55 14 July 2018 17: 11 New
        +2
        And you did not see the plot about the practicing old woman of the surgeon-proctologist 91 (ninety-one) years old, she fervently wandered about happiness on the second channel and something else that you have to work hard to retire.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 14 July 2018 21: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: prapor55
          And you did not see the plot about the practicing old woman of the surgeon-proctologist 91 (ninety-one) years old, she fervently wandered about happiness on the second channel and something else that you have to work hard to retire.

          Something I doubt that the old proctologist in her 91 year could really see something in the anus and deep in the rectum. In the eyes of cataracts, the perception of colors changes. She point-blank cancer in humans will not even see through the equipment.

          I can imagine how many people she is, much younger than herself, sent to the other world! What fools she will even be treated for free! Probably sitting in his office and drinking teas, well, at the same time, people are ruining. Doctor Death"! And the salary goes to her.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 15 July 2018 07: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            Something I doubt that an old proctologist in her 91 years old could really see something in the anus and deep in the rectum

            And you are right. Apparently it’s very bad with the doctors, so they hired.
          2. prapor55
            prapor55 15 July 2018 14: 56 New
            +1
            Vesti is which is channel 2 federal.
    2. Dormidont
      Dormidont 14 July 2018 10: 54 New
      36
      It is more expedient after 10 years of work in senior government posts to shoot. And rotation and no problems with the pension.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 14 July 2018 10: 58 New
        +8
        Dormidont (Dormidont)
        It is more expedient after 10 years of work in senior government posts to shoot. And rotation and no problems with the pension.
        Ha ha ha good drinks Yes!!!! And yes again !!! laughing
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 14 July 2018 11: 07 New
          +4
          The fact that the country's population may collapse by 10 million people in the medium term is not considered by ideologists of the well-known pension reform option, being guided by a convenient prognosis that “There will definitely be more older people”.

          At the cemetery! yes
      2. For example
        For example 14 July 2018 11: 06 New
        13
        To hell with them with the deputies, they were originally conceived as drafters of laws ... at least they do not take money for authorship.
        But the so-called "folk artists" - we pay them to watch films, we pay them to listen to songs, and we also keep them retired !!! If market relations are so complete. What the hell is a pension for them?
        Pensions in our country are another scam - they strip everyone off by a third of the salary, and a separate part of the citizens chews on this money.
        The smallest pension for ordinary hard workers and their wives. United Russia - Fair Russia.
        The beaten one is not lucky.
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 14 July 2018 11: 13 New
          +4
          Sorry, but you
          Quote: For example
          But the so-called "folk artists" - we pay them to watch films, we pay them to listen to songs, and we also keep them retired !!! If market relations are so complete.

          here are wrong. To paraphrase you, we pay for a bolt turned by a turner, we pay for a bakery baked by a baker - do you also keep a turner and a baker in retirement?
          1. For example
            For example 14 July 2018 11: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: Serg Koma
            To paraphrase you, we pay for a bolt turned by a turner, we pay for a bun baked by a baker

            We also pay for the concert. And also pay for ANY listening to the song on the radio.
            Are you paid extra for viewing a turned bolt? Every time when you look at your bolt RAO transfers money? Can you take a look at the bun in the store for a baker to get money ????

            RAO - Russian Copyright Society - a commercial organization.
            1. Serg koma
              Serg koma 14 July 2018 11: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: For example
              Are you paid extra for viewing a turned bolt?

              And again you are mistaken. You do not consider produced goods intangible values. You need music - you get it by listening to the broadcast, you need to contemplate the beautiful - get a movie ticket. Demand creates supply, give up demand for "The mood color is blue" and Kirkorov will go to the porch (this is of course exaggerated). Any work, and the actor and the footballer and the turner must be paid. Here are just a turner with s / n Messi or Neymar you are unlikely to find, a bolt turned by a turner is not so unique that it would be on a bolt, 100000 people came to watch (excluding TV and radio) per day.)))
              1. Vard
                Vard 14 July 2018 12: 12 New
                +8
                By the way, at the end of the seventies I took part in research ... the goal ... roughly speaking, the presence of skills in various types of activity ... So, it’s more difficult and harder to work as a turner of the seventh category ... than a ballet dancer of the Bolshoi Theater ...
                1. Serg koma
                  Serg koma 14 July 2018 12: 17 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vard
                  So the seventh category lathe is more difficult and more difficult to work ...

                  Only the work of the turner is less paid (at present), because demand for bolts is lower than demand for Bolshoi laughing
                  1. Pollux
                    Pollux 14 July 2018 12: 52 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Serg Koma
                    demand for bolts is lower than demand for Bolshoi

                    This is a hoax, you either don’t understand or are fooling us. Turner produces a lot of other things besides bolts and the total demand for his products is much higher than for the songs of the artist, who, in addition to “singing,” produces nothing.
                    Many people simply don’t listen to the singers, especially ours, and they will do well without their songs, the singers will not do without turning products by any means.
                    1. Serg koma
                      Serg koma 14 July 2018 14: 40 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Pollux
                      Turner produces a lot more than bolts and the total demand for its products is much higher

                      Do you believe everything read literally above?
                      Quote: Serg Koma
                      Any work, and the actor and the footballer and the turner must be paid. Here are just a turner with s / n Messi or Neymar you are unlikely to find, a bolt turned by a turner is not so unique that it would be on a bolt, 100000 people came to watch (excluding TV and radio) per day.)))

                      And how do you argue the wages and salaries produced by the turner in relation to fees and non-productive physical costs of, for example, a tennis player?
                      About the total demand. How many bolts (very necessary for the progress of mankind) must a turner make to match the tennis player / artist / footballer / singer / etc. (not producing any material goods) to pay for labor costs?
                      How much is a work of art today, for example, "Black Square", which cannot be eaten, used in everyday life (except how to hang a hole, etc. laughing ) and in production for the reproduction of material goods?
                      Do not confuse material and non material values.
                      Have you personally in your life ever used the services of designers, singers, a whole team of a TV channel, a good writer? And what time do you rate the received (from their work) personal pleasure? You do not compare the work of the teacher with the work of the turner and the result of their work (with approximately the same salary), the number of bolts produced by one, and the quality of services (so probably) provided by others.
                      PS I do not watch tennis, but I use bolts. Black Square could easily be changed for nailslaughing
                      PPS Many "artists" easily do not only without a turner, but also without tailors wassat
                      1. Pollux
                        Pollux 14 July 2018 15: 18 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        And how do you argue the wages and salaries produced by the turner in relation to fees and non-productive physical costs of, for example, a tennis player?

                        No way, the capitalist economy is the apotheosis of injustice, democracy is the weapon of deceivers and liars.
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        PPS Many "artists" easily do not only without a turner, but also without tailors

                        That is, they do not use ANY transport and go naked?
                      2. Alexander Ra
                        Alexander Ra 14 July 2018 20: 28 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg Koma
                        Do not confuse material and non material values.

                        It is important to distinguish vital values ​​from that which is not vital. The uncontrolled growth of artificial needs - antivalues ​​- trouble.
                    2. Baloo
                      Baloo 15 July 2018 07: 08 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Pollux
                      Many people simply don’t listen to the singers, especially ours, and they will do well without their songs, the singers will not do without turning products by any means.

                      Prailno. I simply do not perceive the modern stage. Continuous cries, rumbling, squeaks, complaints about life and fate, you are such and I am such and such nonsense. I prefer old Soviet songs and Russian romance, classics, traditional jazz.
                  2. savage1976
                    savage1976 14 July 2018 14: 08 New
                    +2
                    Then why are there huge investments from the state budget that go to the work of the Bolshoi, if they are so in demand? They earned their demand and ideas.
                    1. Pollux
                      Pollux 14 July 2018 15: 19 New
                      +1
                      Quote: savage1976
                      Then why are there huge investments from the state budget that go to the work of the Bolshoi, if they are so in demand?

                      Squandering public funds, where does the FSB look?
      3. freddyk
        freddyk 14 July 2018 11: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Dormidont
        It is more expedient after 10 years of work in senior government posts to shoot. And rotation and no problems with the pension.


        Well, Stalin didn’t do it .... was. The idea is not new :-)
      4. Weyland
        Weyland 14 July 2018 13: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Dormidont
        to shoot.

        and always with the confiscation of all property!
        1. Tochilka
          Tochilka 15 July 2018 10: 48 New
          0
          not only personally owned by the executed, but the whole family to cousins ​​on both sides! bully
      5. prapor55
        prapor55 14 July 2018 17: 15 New
        +2
        The remains for processing, the recipe is on the site. +++
    3. kenig1
      kenig1 14 July 2018 11: 14 New
      +1
      With their money, such a question does not exist.
    4. Serg koma
      Serg koma 14 July 2018 11: 21 New
      12
      Quote: ROSS 42
      We must come up with a folk horror story

      Back in the days of Nurgaliyev, against “popular horror stories”, counteractions
      1. bsk_mna54
        bsk_mna54 15 July 2018 08: 20 New
        0
        "Specialists" is called
    5. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 14 July 2018 11: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: ROSS 42
      "WHERE TO GIVE TO THE FORMER DEPUTY OF THE STATE DUMA TO EARN A PENSION?"


      In this case? lol Never!
    6. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 14 July 2018 12: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It is necessary to come up with a popular horror story by limiting the term of work in senior government posts and in government bodies to 60 years for men and 55 years for women. And it will be called: "WHERE TO GIVE TO THE FORMER DEPUTY OF THE STATE DUMA TO EARN A PENSION?"

      It’s you who wrote here not a folk horror story, but a folk mockery ... lol
    7. corrado
      corrado 14 July 2018 19: 28 New
      +2
      How to get this topic already. Fair! And comments like: all ghouls, all steal and strip people.
      Let the moderators ban me, but over time I become disappointed in the way discussions are conducted on this site.
      On the topic of saying, PEOPLE !!! In Germany, where I live, pensions are not worth the wait! It's just a penny compared to the local expenses! There is also a need to plow until 67 years old !!! Wake up! My uncle, in Chelyabinsk, retired at 47! Now he is 55 and during all this time he has never raised his ass from the couch. Even there is no desire to earn extra money somewhere or somehow improve family status. And this is in the DAWN of man's strength! Mats are not enough !!! And here on the site, I observe the same thing. What are you whining !? In Germany, no one would have let retire so early, until 50 ... they would suck out the last juices.
      I don’t count on any pension whatsoever, and I don’t want to, so many things still have to be done. And give everyone a pension here, and even better by the age of 40! I do not understand.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 14 July 2018 22: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: corrado

        How to get this topic already. Fair! And comments like: all ghouls, all steal and strip people.
        Let the moderators ban me, but over time I become disappointed in the way discussions are conducted on this site.
        And give everyone a pension here, and even better by the 40 years! I do not understand.

        Why don't you read and think?
        This is not about preferential pensions in 35-45 years in Russia, or even after 5 years, but about increasing the retirement age BASIC old-age pensions. For men from 60 lot to 65. For women from 55 to 63 years. With a low life expectancy of Russians.
        The climate in Russia is not like yours in Germany, and health care wants to be the best.

        If you do not understand what is being discussed, it would be better if you didn’t get into Russian polemics from your Germany with your German “bell”.
        I don’t even want to polemicize with you.
      2. reservist
        reservist 16 July 2018 15: 01 New
        0
        Quote: corrado
        In Germany, where I live, pensions are generally not worth the wait! It's just a penny compared to the local expenses! There is also a need to plow until 67 years old !!!

        What is the average life expectancy in Germany? For men like 78 years old ... against 67 for us, and for women 83 against 77 ... Do you override the ratio of "retirement" and "working" years in Germany and Russia, or do you need help?
        Regarding the "cents" - here is a colleague (he is already over 60) a pension of as much as 20 thousand rubles, do not want to try to live in the near Moscow region with this money?
        PS what is living near Frankfurt for 900 euros a little in the know ...
    8. hydrox
      hydrox 14 July 2018 21: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      "WHERE TO GIVE TO THE FORMER DEPUTY OF THE STATE DUMA TO EARN A PENSION?"

      You should have less bogged down the future of this state shushary: they will find warm places for themselves. In addition, do not forget that pensions are awarded to them according to a different pension law, and not according to the general, as the rest of the ordinary population: according to their law, the pension is 75% of the previous wage rate - so they will not die, not that You ... ;-))
    9. bsk_mna54
      bsk_mna54 15 July 2018 08: 12 New
      0
      Pension reform is aimed primarily at deputies from any so-called parties, as they want to sit on the neck of the people until 66 and 63 years old, respectively, and you look, they will extend it to 80 years: let them frolic! And you say concern for the health of the people! All kinds of fables are used like: a non-working person does not live long. It can be seen how zapadentsy work as tourists around the world until the age of 90.
  2. forester
    forester 14 July 2018 10: 46 New
    0
    There will definitely be more Darmoedovs - fewer pensioners .... will die out - others will not survive ...
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  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich 14 July 2018 10: 49 New
    +2
    If only, if mushrooms would grow. No specifics, some of the air taken fabrications. Something from the fact that if my grandmother had Faberge, she would be a grandfather. Zadolbali these forecasters. Well, right, if grandmothers give birth at 60, the population will definitely grow.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 14 July 2018 11: 08 New
      +1
      [quote = Egorovich]Well, right, if grandmothers give birth at 60, the population will definitely grow.

      In order for grandmothers in the 60s to give birth, they need the grandfathers of the 65th and preferably in good physical shape. He gave birth in the 60s, educated his child about 10-15th years and in the cemetery.
      Or you, dear Egorovich hi hinting for help in this matter of the younger male generation?
      Forgive me for the vulgarity of my colleagues. drinks
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 15 July 2018 07: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Arberes
        In order for grandmothers in the 60s to give birth, they need the grandfathers of the 65th and preferably in good physical shape. He gave birth in the 60s, educated his child about 10-15th years and in the cemetery.

        Are you seriously? We were given statistics at lectures at the institute: in women in labor over 40, especially primiparous, the risk of complications in the mother and fetus, congenital malformations increases significantly every year. Especially with our ecology. Lake Kaban in the center of Kazan-stink is impossible. The Kazanka River, 40 km upstream, is green, the stench is impossible. The local press reports about dead fish in different rivers. And Siberia, the Urals, there as with the environment, I'm not talking about Moscow. It seems that urban planners have forgotten the basics of the profession, the quarters should be aired, for this the layout should be taking into account the wind rose.
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 14 July 2018 10: 52 New
    +9
    By the efforts of the liberals, by 2036 Russia will not be at all.
    1. SSR
      SSR 14 July 2018 11: 00 New
      14
      Quote: Dormidont
      By the efforts of the liberals, by 2036 Russia will not be at all.

      Without liberals, they would be able to cope with some singers.
      They all worked out like dummies together - let's live! It is necessary to raise the pension! Mnp 91 years I am a surgeon proctologist and still working! Yes, but they don’t take a young one, there is little experience. I’m a teacher, I’m 70 years old, May Heart Visa Yu!
      I am 61 region and I support!
      From all TV channels !!! Sneak pests.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 14 July 2018 11: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: SSR
        Mnp 91 years I am a surgeon proctologist and still working!


        Not tired of the poor fellow 70 years old to look into other people's ass?
        Twenty-one years is taken away (well, there is childhood, school, army, medical education).
        Greetings, dear SSR hi
        1. SSR
          SSR 14 July 2018 12: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Arberes
          Quote: SSR
          Mnp 91 years I am a surgeon proctologist and still working!


          Not tired of the poor fellow 70 years old to look into other people's ass?
          Twenty-one years is taken away (well, there is childhood, school, army, medical education).
          Greetings, dear SSR hi

          Mutually! hi
          Grandmother to the surgeon, respect and respect! For good, she should pass on the experience, and the young ones should introduce new and new ones, and then PR specialists, dirtyly hiding behind her, show our dirty linen of medicine.
          Well rude if.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 15 July 2018 07: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: SSR
            Grandmother to the surgeon, respect and respect! In a good way, she should transfer experience and the young should introduce new

            Roman, how old are you? What are you talking about? After 40 years, everything new is perceived critically, and after 60 it is also with some difficulty. At 90 years old, grandmother can tell the youth what is so new. Are you joking? belay
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 14 July 2018 13: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Arberes
          Not tired of the poor fellow 70 years old to look into other people's ass?

          - Mom, tell me - was my grandfather a proctologist?
          - Your grandfather was a famous proctologist!
          - And dad is also a proctologist?
          - Your dad is a wonderful proctologist!
          - And when will I grow up? ...
          - And you, I'm sure, will become an excellent proctologist!
          “But I want to become a car mechanic!”
          - Here's another! Do you want your whole life to poke shit ?!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2018 12: 26 New
      +2
      Why it will not be - Russia will be in 36 and 66 and in 106, and also further.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 14 July 2018 12: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Why it will not be - Russia will be in 36 and 66 and in 106, and also further.


        Where are we going? Thank God, not some Baltic states. drinks
  6. Sofa expert
    Sofa expert 14 July 2018 10: 56 New
    +9
    Everyone to the wall who is pushing this anti-people lobud ... Stalin is not on you ...
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 14 July 2018 11: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Divan expert
      Everyone to the wall who is pushing this anti-people lobud ... Stalin is not on you ...


      I'm so morally strained articles under Modern talking I try to read and you know ... helps! hi
      Immediately it becomes easier. good
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 July 2018 21: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Divan expert
      Everyone to the wall who is pushing this anti-people lobud ... Stalin is not on you ...

      so under Stalin this retirement age was ... well, life expectancy was less than the established level !! request request request
  7. gukoyan
    gukoyan 14 July 2018 11: 05 New
    0
    Again with their fetid mouth they began to shake the air, parasites ...
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 14 July 2018 11: 17 New
    +6
    People will forgive anything except deceived expectations ...
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 14 July 2018 13: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      People will forgive anything except deceived expectations ...

      An interesting picture in the sense of national color. Actually "quilting a dead horse" is english idiom!
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 14 July 2018 21: 52 New
        0
        After all, liberals are lashing out, and they are all with a foreign education — that’s the idiom of Aglitz! ;-))
  9. Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 July 2018 11: 21 New
    13
    The fact that the country's population may collapse by 10 million people in the medium term is not considered by ideologists of the well-known pension reform option, guided by a convenient forecast that “there will definitely be more older people.” But what if he doesn’t? ..
    I’d like to add. I will not grow up. I will guess more people over 65 or will not be able to. I know one thing for sure. What is the impression that the authorities are probing the bottom of people's patience. And slogans like “see what happened to Ukraine” no longer help. While they cover all those at the top with a wild obscenity And no one is embarrassed in expressions at all. So the authorities should think about it. And it’s not too late for them to stop. God forbid to see the Russian rebellion, meaningless and merciless. And not a glamorous musician.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 14 July 2018 17: 34 New
      +2
      The mat is decent, but no one offers concrete actions; I also reject all shots from Aurora. Personally, I’ll go for a single day and do the same as in the elections to the Duma I will describe my thoughts briefly, but clearly in words that are forbidden on the site. The graph was canceled against everyone, but we have the “freedom of speech” and I’ll try to put a photo of the bill here; it’s just this fact that worries me that I don’t know how to insert any pictures and faces.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 July 2018 21: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      God forbid to see the Russian rebellion, meaningless and merciless

      then you will remain without pensions, and without the state, and many even without life !!! request request request
  10. vanavatny
    vanavatny 14 July 2018 11: 33 New
    +3
    what the hell forecasts? what to base them on? on the endless nonsense of the government? which of these freaks will answer for what will happen in 16 years? who has a long-term development plan for the country, 16 years, this is a lot for a bunch of thieving accountants, they are not able to look so far, and even more so that then put it into life, so that Nehai Rosstat will wipe with his papers, they are worthless
  11. filatik
    filatik 14 July 2018 11: 33 New
    +3
    Dry crackers, comrades! And this is not funny at all. Drive such a government!
  12. Zubr
    Zubr 14 July 2018 11: 34 New
    +7
    smile Woe to the extras. My dear comrades, you see, all this Medvedevskaya superstructure is falling out of rotten boards. By hook or by crook trying to smuggle "retirement charade".... otherwise I can’t name her. Annoy people as they can, wait for the boiling point to come? I am sure they will wait for this with such steps. No matter how trousers are torn. If propaganda is so actively launched, then not everything is calm in our kingdom. Our supreme so far is silent, of course he does the right thing. Well, if he says yes "YES", this next robbery, to be in trouble in this country, I think we can’t avoid a big fight inside the country.
  13. Greg Miller
    Greg Miller 14 July 2018 11: 36 New
    +9
    When Rosstat speaks of Russia-2036, I recall the Russian Empire-1930 ... With the current rate of destruction of all state institutions and instruments, there will be no Russia-2036 ....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2018 12: 29 New
      +1
      What instruments and institutions of the state were destroyed - more?
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 14 July 2018 14: 29 New
        +8
        Vadim ... Justice is the main institution of the state. To destroy the state, it is enough to do only two things - to punish the innocent and not punish the guilty ...
  14. Trek
    Trek 14 July 2018 11: 49 New
    +6
    The essence of the current pension "reform" is clearly invented by "analysts of Israel and the other United States" .. The purpose of all this is to make those who were born in the USSR and remember Stalin and breakthroughs of the five-year plans die out faster!
    Everyone makes us forget! This is the goal of everything soldier No wonder there is such a run over the Russian Spirit and Orthodoxy! This is the last core of Russia and Hitler did not take it into account when he rushed to Moscow .. (now everyone takes this into account and predicts how and what will work) The enemy is next to you men, just take a look around!
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 14 July 2018 12: 35 New
      +4
      Trek
      The enemy is near you guys, just take a look around
      M. hi And what is there to look closely? When everything is visible without supervision. And how the country was brought to the underworld.
      .The purpose of all this is that those born in the USSR die out faster
      Yes, I agree. This is pension genocide. There’s no other way to say it. It’s designed for that. But pathetic excuses that today's pensioners will live like in a fairy tale. Bullshit is all. Instantly derail the course of the bucks and raising the price of gasoline any popular costs. I don’t even want to continue, and so everyone understands how this system works soldier
  15. Vard
    Vard 14 July 2018 12: 19 New
    +4
    In general, I propose to make articles marked mat do not ban ... because literary words are already missing ...
  16. Baloo
    Baloo 14 July 2018 12: 48 New
    +3
    In the same “high” version, the number of citizens of the Russian Federation by December 2036 should be 157 million people, that is, more than 10 million more than today.

    Is the number of marriages increasing? Does the number of divorces decrease? Is the number of families with 3 or more children growing or falling? What prevents youth from having children? Probably the lack of constant wealth. They will increase the retirement age, the old people will begin to die out, the pre-retirement age, who have lost their jobs, too. Young people have unemployment, not enough to give birth to children. We are just cynically lying. The authorities cannot curb corruption at the highest levels and are trying to solve the problem at our expense. And why do we need this election? Between what and what? Golikova's predecessor revealed theft, including and in Rusnano, transferred to another job. Golikova opened the theft in the Ministry of Defense including, transferred to another job. What are pensioners to blame? Pensioners are forced to work. BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE HEALTH AND STRENGTH. We are shown artists who are swaggering and muttering that they are full of strength and health and can still do something creative ... What about a truck driver? A mason builder, concrete worker, and a doctor who has worked all his life on emergency, not everyone lives up to 50, not like 65. If they raise their retirement age, this will be Putin’s biggest mistake.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 14 July 2018 21: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Balu
      Probably the lack of constant wealth.

      this is not an indicator !! request request Africa and Asia are an example !!! wassat wassat
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 15 July 2018 07: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        Quote: Balu
        Probably the lack of constant wealth.

        this is not an indicator !! request request Africa and Asia are an example !!! wassat wassat

        So there the palm tree shook, that's your food. And there is no need for clothes and the climate is constantly warm.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 15 July 2018 17: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          Quote: Balu
          Probably the lack of constant wealth.

          this is not an indicator !! request request Africa and Asia are an example !!! wassat wassat

          So there the palm tree shook, that's your food. And there is no need for clothes and the climate is constantly warm.

          this, of course, can be taken as an argument, but this does not apply to high affluence !! wassat wassat wassat
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 15 July 2018 20: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            this, of course, can be taken as an argument, but this does not apply to high affluence !!

            This refers to the ability to meet needs. yes
  17. fif21
    fif21 14 July 2018 13: 02 New
    +6
    Does Rosstat know how many times the labor productivity of one worker in the 30s has grown compared to one in 2018?
    This is a response to Medvedev’s statement that 2 workers should now support one pensioner. hi
  18. Yan Sergeev
    Yan Sergeev 14 July 2018 13: 32 New
    10

    “HANDS Away FROM OUR PENSIONS! 55-60 "
    A large banner hung today on the bridge in front of the Government House, which promotes the cannibalistic pension “reform.”


    It seemed to me that we had already seen everything. But no. The 55 and 60-year-old “berries again” turned out to be the secret weapons of the central channel. They aspirated how to humiliate retirement, because they are still young.

    But I have a wife’s mother, I don’t want to call her mother-in-law, because I have a very respectful attitude, I really looked forward to retirement, albeit a small one. Because she worked as a seamstress for the same money. Exhausting and hard work, sewed a dress uniform for the military. And after all, she seems to be already retired, helping my child, but sharply against the retirement age. Because he understands that another plus eight years of that work is just a coffin. And this coffin is now brought to future pensioners by benefactors from United Russia.

    Raising the retirement age is not a reform. This is genocide.
  19. Private SA
    Private SA 14 July 2018 14: 19 New
    +3
    rotten offices work out denyushki from the rotten government.
  20. Altona
    Altona 14 July 2018 14: 51 New
    +4
    Authorities scribble one nonsense after another, statistical services issue some kind of biased reports. All this is nonsense. The power of the enemies of the people.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 14 July 2018 22: 00 New
      +1
      Excuse me, didn’t you vote for Putin? ;-))
      So why whine now?
  21. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 14 July 2018 15: 48 New
    +4
    You can’t trust Rosstat, it’s the analogue of the Goebels propaganda.
    If they accept the reform retirement genocidein the market in 2019 year labor will +1 500 000 new elderly job seekers are official data from the colonial government.
    А Ministry of Economic Development calculated that to 2019 year 300 new jobs will appear.
    +1 500 000 under-pensioners of the unemployed minus 300 000 new jobs = 1 new unemployed in 200!
    They (the colonial government) do not even try to hide this data! Believe people swallow.
    As well as the fact that in 2017 the IMF mission in Moscow, led by Kr. Lagarde instructed the Gauleitors (Siluanova, Nabiulina and Oreshkina) that in 2018 it was necessary to increase the song age and tax.
    Gauleiters took the visor - now what is happening is what should happen in a colonial country, IMF hires follow the order of their curators!
    From 8:45 am Oleg Shein talks in detail about who organizes and why pension genocide in our country.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 14 July 2018 16: 47 New
    +2
    Will there be an increase in pensions or not, people of pre-retirement age will live longer or not - it does not matter! Such is the logic of government, as the famous critic of our reality used to say:
    In the morning money - in the afternoon chairs, in the afternoon money - in the evening chairs, in the evening money - at night chairs, at night money - in the morning chairs, in the morning ...
    “Well, that's it, it's clear, it's clear ... But can it be like this: in the morning, chairs, and in the afternoon - money?”
    - It is possible ... But money ahead!
  23. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 14 July 2018 17: 22 New
    +1
    Instead of Rosstat, you can put a grandmother who in two guesses (the result is the same), they would save 12 billion rubles exactly for the pension fund.

    There will be a thunderstorm on July 14, 2036, or there will be no thunderstorm on July 14, 2036, and 23 thousand people work there. Before you can say anything to people, you need to think a little and if you have nothing to think, it’s better to be silent.
  24. passing
    passing 14 July 2018 18: 46 New
    +2
    The population of Russians is decreasing! Replenishment comes at the expense of Tajikzbekbekokirgizo, etc., Russians.
    How many have received citizenship in 10 years? subtract them, and here is the real number
  25. corrado
    corrado 14 July 2018 22: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: corrado

    How to get this topic already. Fair! And comments like: all ghouls, all steal and strip people.
    Let the moderators ban me, but over time I become disappointed in the way discussions are conducted on this site.
    And give everyone a pension here, and even better by the 40 years! I do not understand.

    Why don't you read and think?
    This is not about preferential pensions in 35-45 years in Russia, or even after 5 years, but about increasing the retirement age BASIC old-age pensions. For men from 60 lot to 65. For women from 55 to 63 years. With a low life expectancy of Russians.
    The climate in Russia is not like yours in Germany, and health care wants to be the best.

    If you do not understand what is being discussed, it would be better if you didn’t get into Russian polemics from your Germany with your German “bell”.
    I don’t even want to polemicize with you.

    Everything, it's time to leave the site. It seems to me that it was you who did not understand my comment and it’s worth thinking.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 15 July 2018 07: 21 New
      0
      Quote: corrado
      Everything, it's time to leave the site. It seems to me that it was you who did not understand my comment and it’s worth thinking

      Come on, Tatyana is right.
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 July 2018 01: 37 New
    +1
    Yes, the population will decrease.
    Hard times have come again and
    many refuse to have a child.
    More precisely, it’s possible to give birth in general,
    but it’s more and more difficult to ensure a decent life for him.
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 July 2018 01: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Dormidont
    It is more expedient after 10 years of work in senior government posts to shoot. And rotation and no problems with the pension.

    I support. Plus, the complete confiscation of property from them and relatives, just in case.
  28. Skif83
    Skif83 15 July 2018 08: 34 New
    0
    But Rosstat without hesitation announces that by 2036 the number of Russians aged 65 years and over will "definitely grow." According to the "low" version, this number will rise by 6,1 million people, and according to the high one, it will rise by more than 12 million.
    It seems that, to please the promises of the “popularly elected”, the Russian people are once again cynically thrown. But what about the promises of the gaydar and Chubais about the two Volga, where there are 500 days of Yavlinsky, where are 25 million Putin's high-tech high-paying jobs? To collect all the experimenters and predictors into one terrarium and conduct experiments on survival in a hostile environment on them ...
  29. Terenin
    Terenin 15 July 2018 10: 08 New
    +6
    ... according to the calculations of Rosstat specialists, in the framework of the "low" option the population ... I would like one more “real” option: to check the audit and the Department for Economic Relations and Politics with how much budget funds are allocated to Rosstat, where they go and who works there, and what mansions, these modest employees, have screened themselves !!!
  30. Markov V.A
    Markov V.A 15 July 2018 11: 16 New
    0
    Talking about the professionalism of “rotten eggs of power and government - the economic bloc” is probably already tired of everyone. Rested in retirement and retirees as a "ram to the new gate", you ask yourself that there are no other ways, opportunities to boost the economy, they are the example of Sweden, Singapore, Norway, China, the UAE, etc., you look at these people, who push this reform, well-fed, tanned, self-righteous and snickering, and this is in the presence of 22 million. RUSSIAN CITIZENS below the poverty line. How do citizens of our country live and how do citizens live, for example, citizens of the UAE or Qatar WE know we were there, it turns out the Arabs are smarter than our government and governments. Which only confirms the low professionalism of people sitting in power seats, as well as their moral standards, which are completely absent. It is necessary to increase pension by one thousand rubles, giving PEOPLE, and at the turn of 2014-2015, they increased their salaries by two times, created for themselves, a handful of people close to the body COMMUNISM in all areas of political, criminal, economic, social, listening to them - talking about unity, a bright future and other beautiful phrases, you think what kind of hypocrisy you need to have, unprincipledness. Yes, shame is alien to them, they are adherents of the words to cut, divide, grab, create words, multiply, develop aliens to them. It is disgusting to hear them and their droves.
  31. corrado
    corrado 15 July 2018 22: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Balu
    Quote: corrado
    Everything, it's time to leave the site. It seems to me that it was you who did not understand my comment and it’s worth thinking

    Come on, Tatyana is right.

    In what? That I didn’t even understand my comment and the essence of the content? Or the fact that he still lives according to the theory that outside of Russia he lives in paradise? Not knowing the country from the inside and even more so the healthcare system? Then tell me why, with such a great healthcare, I, as a German citizen, go to my homeland in Russia to control and why do people like me every year find this business more attractive than going to a German doctor? I studied with these doctors and I know the reasons why this is so. I will not explain the reasons, I’ll get tired.
    And on the topic, I said only that raising the retirement age, from my point of view, comparing with the retirement age of Germany, he.h.r.n. I am complete, because Being in such a posh country as in Germany, I don’t count on it at all and plow for 14 hours a day. I have a security company and a design bureau, which, by the way, is only for Russia and works and raised both organizations with my own hands and head. And I see the mood of my workers and their wishes for the future ... in a word, more likely to retire and them .. not to do. I should not talk about the charms of the country in which I live, giving millions of taxes to the treasury and its luxurious healthcare and the pension, local policy, of which there is ZERO knowledge. But in order to be in my shoes and understand my statements, one must have the experience of the employer himself. But alas, not everyone is given it.
    1. reservist
      reservist 16 July 2018 15: 36 New
      0
      Quote: corrado
      Then tell me why, with such a great healthcare, I, as a German citizen, go to my homeland in Russia to control and why do people like me every year find this business more attractive than going to a German doctor? I studied with these doctors and I know the reasons why this is so. I will not explain the reasons, I’ll get tired.

      Do you think that in twenty years from now it will still be relevant to go for control to Russia?
  32. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 16 July 2018 07: 54 New
    0
    Rosstat and Hydrometeorological Center work in the same office. Just in case, the forecast +30 is announced, cloudless, rain, hail is possible, and just in case, a tornado with an apocalypse.
    An increase in age is anyway pushed, albeit at the cost of losing EdRom all the votes in the next election. Harvard miscarriages simply do not know how to transfer responsibility to ordinary taxpayers, because you don’t have to touch your business, and you need to plug something into the demographic perestroika hole.
    Someone there screaming I want to work after 65 ... but for God's sake, now who is stopping me from working without cannibalistic laws?
    Oh yes ... all of a sudden, these are employers who are representatives of the oligarchy in power.