The unexpected war of Nazi Germany with the USSR. 13 part

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The unexpected war of Nazi Germany with the USSR. 13 part


Introduction



In the 13 and 14 units, some views of the top commanders of the spacecraft on the initial period of the war will be presented, which, in the opinion of the author, were their fallacy. These errors should have influenced the decisions that were made by the leadership of the spacecraft on the eve of the war.

In the 11-th part, it was shown that the actual hostilities of the German military in the first days of the war differed from the vision of the leadership of the spacecraft's actions of the enemy in the initial period. About it delusion The guidance of the spacecraft was noted in the memoirs of G.K. Zhukova, A.M. Vasilevsky, S.M. Shtemenko, I.Kh. Bagramyan (on the statement of MP Kirponos).

Second delusion there was a lack of understanding of the tactics used by the Air Force in the initial period. At a meeting of the highest command personnel of the spacecraft (hereinafter - SVKS) In December 1940, seemingly correct opinions were repeatedly voiced regarding the Air Force. After all, they spoke precisely about what will happen on June 22 ... The question arises: if they knew how to act at the beginning of the war, then why was the defeat allowed? aviation? The opinion of very narrow-minded people is the result of betrayal. Probably, these people judge by themselves similar ... Let's consider some speeches of the command staff at the SVKS, held in late December 1940.

P.V. Levers, (Head of the Main Command of the Air Force KA): "The main purpose of an offensive operation is to defeat and destroy enemy personnel. With the solution of this problem, all the others are easily resolved. An example in this regard is the defeat of the Allied armies in Belgium and France in 1940. The depth of the modern front-line operation will be approximately equal to 300 km. The pace of progress on average for the entire depth of the operation will be approximately 12-15 km per day of battle. The duration of the operation to the depth of 300 km at the rate of advance of 12-15 km will be 25-30 days ... "

The report of the Commander of the Air Force once again sounds like mantras, the words about the slow movement of troops in modern operations. The implementation of the specified parameters of the offensive operation could be considered by the command of the spacecraft and as a possible scenario for the actions of the German troops in the initial period. Therefore, similar scenarios of the outbreak of hostilities were used in war games taking place in the winter and spring of 1941. Let us return to the consideration of the report of P.V. Rychagova: “Based on the nature and stages of modern offensive operations, the objectives of the Air Force will be: 1) winning air supremacy; 2) interaction with ground forces on the battlefield; 3) cover the troops and individual areas ... The conquest of air superiority ... is achieved: 1) destruction of enemy aircraft on airfields while simultaneously striking its rear ... The most difficult thing to do is to first task because for its implementation, it is necessary to catch enemy aircraft at its aerodromes, and this, with modern depth of basing and the ability of aviation to maneuver along aerodromes, is a great difficulty. Most of these raids will comprehend the failure. The best way to defeat aviation on earth is simultaneous attack on a large number of aerodromes possible basing of enemy aircraft. This will not allow the enemy to provide concentrated resistance to the fighters ... Of course, such a task cannot be accomplished in one flight, but requires a series of repeated blows ... "

D.T. Kozlov (Head of the Main Department of Air Defense): "When striking an enemy air force, first of all, it is necessary to destroy the aircraft, which has the most modern material part, since the defeat of this aircraft immediately gives superiority in the air. On the French front, the Germans first attacked the airfields, which were the most modern French aircraft. And in the first days of the war they knocked this aircraft out of order, and then, naturally, having technical superiority, they got superiority in the air ... The strike from the first day on the aviation forces attracts them to the airfield and makes it impossible to operate in the air.... »

M.M.Popov (commander of the 1 th Red Banner Army): "May 10, according to far incomplete data, as a result of a raid on the airfields of France and England on the first day, about 300 aircraft were destroyed. These attacks were repeated on 11 and 12 in May, and according to some, apparently exaggerated, data was put out of action near 1000 aircraft ... I will allow myself to turn again to the experience of the Germans when they 1 on September after raids on Polish airfields left piles of debris on them... »

Ya.V. Smushkevich (Assistant Chief of the General Staff for the Air Force): "The Germans 10 May 1940 produced simultaneous raid on French airfields to a depth of 400 km and swept over 100 airfields with its raid. If there was a connection and good organization, such a raid could result in a big defeat of German aviation, because the said raid was carried out in small groups without fighter jets and meeting these groups in certain areas with fighters could result in the destruction of these groups.... »

Smushkevich recognizes the disarming strike of German aircraft on the airfields of the Allies, but specifies that "in the presence of communication and good organization [this raid could end] the defeat of the German aircraft... "He, what does the Air Force of the Red Army mean? It turned out that everything was very bad with communication, notification and control of the air forces of the border districts 22.6.41 ...

At the same meeting, Ya.V. Smushkevich spoke about night and blind flights, about constant readiness shelves ... The wrong actions of the Soviet 22.6.41 aviation cannot be blamed for him: on June 8 he was arrested. But his opinion (probably, and the opinion of other commanders) ceased to listen even before the SVKS. The majority of readers are familiar with the memoirs of Marshal AE Golovanov. Remember the first chapter, “Conversation on New Year's Eve”? Ya.V. Smushkevich invited Golovanov to write a letter to Stalin ...

A.E.Golovanov: "In general, the questions about which Yakov Vladimirovich spoke, really matured and had important state significance, but I considered them, at least, indecent, to put them, as he suggested, straight in the forehead. All this I expressed immediately Smushkevichu. In conclusion, asked why he himself, the inspector general of the Air Force, would not take up this business? He is twice a Hero of the Soviet Union, a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, he is of great authority among the pilots, behind his shoulders Spain and Khalkhin Gol! After a short silence, Yakov Vladimirovich replied that he does not have such an opportunity now, and it is unlikely that serious attention will now be paid to his report... "The arrests initiated in May 1941 in the case of" aviators "(senior commanders of the Air Force KA) led to the eradication of any initiative of the not yet arrested Air Force leaders, to fear of provocation and to execute only orders that 22.6.41 did not always reach the connections and parts ...

Let us recall how the work of the air forces of the border VO was envisaged in accordance with the “Cover Plans ...”. All directives for the development of "Plans ..." signed by the leaders of the spacecraft. Specialists of the General Staff and Districts took part in their development. In all directives the same words: “Before the 15 mobilization day it is allowed to spend: ... fighters - 15 departures; near bombers - 10 departures; long-range bombers - 7 departures; scouts - 10 departures... "It turns out on average one flight of a fighter per day, and the rest of the aircraft should fly even less often. Again we see the expected sluggish fighting in the early days of the war. This is the vision of the leadership of the spacecraft, the General Staff and the leaders of the Higher Education Authority were forced to agree with it.

German aircraft 22 June made several sorties in small groups. It turns out: despite the correct words in the reports, few understood from the high command of the spacecraft that the Germans would fight this way from the first hour of the war, destroying and blocking our aircraft at the airfields ...

And how should the German Air Force have fought according to our command? Let's remember two documents PribOVO. Telegram from Commander PribOVO 8-10 22.6.41: "The commander of the 7 garden ... The commander ordered the fighter aircraft to be protected to repel a powerful enemy air raid. Spend carefully. A large group raid is expected... »

Intelligence headquarters SZF around 12-00 22.06.41: "The enemy has not yet brought into action significant air forces, limited to the action of individual groups and single aircraft.... "Again, incorrect information and forecast gave intelligence. Probably, the appearance of armadas consisting of several hundred bombers and fighters was expected. As in some books of that time, and very similar to the plans for the use of armadas of armored vehicles ...

In conclusion, I will cite the words of one of the leaders of the Air Force: “About driving our parts into battle. Driving instruction aviation division we are missing. Such instruction we need... "Divisional system on the enemy under the cover of dozens of fighters. Probably, the "experienced" Germans also had to fight in the understanding of our command personnel ...

Consider the excerpts from the final speech of the Commissar of Defense. S.K.Timoshenkowhich is to sum up the results of the commanders' speeches at the Special Forces Command StationIn the field of operational art ... major changes are underway ... Massive application such means as Tanks and dive bombers, in combination with motorized and motorcycle troops, in cooperation with parachute and landing landings and mass aviation - provided ... a high pace and strength of modern operational offensive... German td in 1939-40 preempted pulling ... reserves... It was not by chance that the Germans applied a new construction for a breakthrough with td ahead ... They correctly took into account that the strength and success of the modern offensive is at a high rate and the continuity of the offensive...

The infantry base remained the same ... powerful, but the role of the infantry during the attack changed. From the percussion means, it turned into the base of an armored percussion wedge, which cut into the depth of the enemy’s territory with its point. Independence of actions of high-speed mobile groupsconsisting of various types of formations (tank, mechanized, motorized, motorcycle), due to their organizational structure ... Operations in the West revealed that a deep blow based on the interaction system of aviation, high-speed motor-mechanized formations and the main army infantry, has one dangerous link, consisting in the possibility of a gap between the actions of aviation and high-speed connections. The question has found its effective resolution. in the use of airborne troopsthat fill the gap between the attack of aviation and the approach of high-speed connections ...

In June, the 1940 of the year and in the offensive ... on the Somma river on the shock axes German td (near 400-500 tanks) attacked 3-4 km on the front ... According to German views, which were reflected in recent events in the West, the attack itself is thought of as massive use of aviation and parachute units to paralyze the operational depth of defenseas a massive use of artillery and aircraft on the battlefield in order to ensure the suppression of the entire depth of tactical defense, like massive use of mechanized compounds, paving with the support of aviation and artillery, the road to the main forces of the infantry and independently developing success. But all this refers to the breakthrough of such weak defensive lines as the Weygand line...

The experience of modern wars shows that the scope of large front-line operations ... was expressed by the following indicators: the width of the offensive strip 80-150-300 km; Depth of a single operation 60-250 km ...; the rate of attack in operations reached 10-15 and more than a km per day ... Preparing a front-line operation at a new strategic stage requires dozens of days - months. Preparation of the subsequent operation within one stage can be calculated in days, maximum - weeks....

In 1940, in France, during the operation on the river. The Germans deployed the somm at the front to 350 km ... two army groups with a large composition of 95-120 pd and 8-10 td, which meant the Germans more than doubled the strength ... Historical experience and theoretical studies show that the average speed of advance of a modern strike army is about 10-15 km per day (sometimes 40-50 km)
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A fairly competent understanding of the defense breakthrough with the use of mobile large moto-tank groups with the interaction of different troops. From the speeches of the highest commanders at the SVKS, it is clear that in general they understood how German generals could fight. Only embarrassing, the statement about the concentration of up to 103 ... 130 of German divisions at the front to 350 km. Of course, a historical fact is voiced. Several speakers say the same thing. One thing is not clear: did the higher command personnel consider that the Germans would attack our country only by creating such large groups? The low average speeds of advance of the shock forces are mentioned again.

What misconceptions, according to the author, are mentioned in the considered fragment of the speech of the People's Commissar of Defense?

First of all, it is the interval between subsequent operations, between which preparation is required, which is calculated in days and weeks. And while other speakers, referring to the experience of the Germans, spoke about the continuity of the German offensive with the transition from one operation to another in one phase. In the final speech, the Commissar of Defense voiced the point of view of the leadership of the spacecraft. It turns out that if the enemy was able to break through somewhere and moves at a pace of up to 40 km / day, then after a while he will stop and prepare for a new offensive, waiting for the infantry masses. Below is one of the speeches, which refers to a different vision of a continuous offensive.

M.A. Kuznetsov (NSH of the Far Eastern Front): "The operations of the Germans in Belgium and France were divided into two stages: the first strike in the Netherlands, Belgium and Northern France, and the second strike - a breakthrough on the river Seine, bypassing Paris, encircling the main forces of the French army, defeating it in pieces. At the same time, these two operations went one to the other almost without any break, successively ... The enemy was smashed in pieces, and the superiority of forces on the German side was small... »

Following delusion - it is a reappraisal of the importance of parachute and landing troops when interacting with moving strike forces and when breaking through fortified bands. And, as a result, there should be a lot of parachute troops. According to the theory, everything is correct, but the technical capabilities of the German army for the mass use of parachute troops were not enough. At the initial stage of the war, when dealing with one of the tasks, they acted similarly, but with much smaller parachute and reconnaissance and sabotage forces supported by intelligence officers and the 5 th column. And what did the intelligence report about these compounds?

Intelligence RU GSH KA 11.3.41: "The increase in parachute and landing divisions continues. If by the end of active operations in the west there were one parachute and one airborne division in the composition of the German Armed Forces, then there are now 3 parachute and 3 airborne divisions... »

In May 1941 of the year in the Republic of Moldova, the total number of German parachute divisions is estimated at 8-10. This was misinformation, which was distributed in accordance with the instructions of the German command: "Of particular importance is the dissemination of misinformation information about the air corps, which would indicate its intention to use it against England.... "In fact, in Germany there was only 7-I Airborne Division and 22-I PD was considered air-landing.

Intelligence also suggested: "What ... Germany, in the event of an attack on the USSR, will be able to stand against us ... 5 Airborne Divisions... "Five divisions are a huge mass of paratroopers, equipment and armaments, which will require the transfer of hundreds of transport aircraft ... These units were not found on the eve of the war. In the Republic of Moldova, on the eve of the war, units of paratroopers were only noted at our 2-3 border. Numerous connections of paratroopers with a mass of transport aviation were not brought to our borders. And our intelligence agents were obliged to observe the zones of their possible appearance. There are no specified forces - it means there is still time before the start of the entry of mobile groups into the battle ...

Fourth delusion - this is an exaggeration of the importance of the fortified zone, the confidence that the border divisions will have time to occupy their defense sectors in time. The first echelons of active defense will also be able to hold German troops for some time. In the speech of S.K.Timoshenko we saw the following statement: “But all this refers to the breakthrough of such weak defensive lines as the Weygand line". Can this phrase be understood in the sense that if the Germans encounter a stronger line of defense, including reinforced concrete structures, then their troops cannot quickly break through this line? For example, our defensive line on the western border? Of course, we know that some XR in June 1941 have not yet begun to build. As of 21.6.41 3685 Structures were still under construction or were built, but not equipped with weapons and equipment ...

S.K.Timoshenko also spoke about defense: “It is also important to note that if earlier military actions usually began with a counter attack, now this is not always possible. At the present time, the borders of large states, especially in the most important directions, are already surrounded by reinforced concrete fortifications. Despite this, and now [probably still talking about past events] it is still possible to circumvent these fortifications. So, for example: the German army did not dare to attack and break the Maginot line. Not hoping for a successful breakthrough, she chose to bypass the French Maginot Line, regardless of the neutrality of the Netherlands and Belgium ... However, there may be cases whenno entry of permanent reinforced concrete strips will be impossible, and the war will have to start with a breakthrough modern long-term fortified strip.

Many of the provisions expressed here need more precise definitions and significant amendments. First of all, about the right of defense to exist due to its unsuccessful experience in recent wars. A number of successful breakthroughs in the 1939-1940 war in the West. spawned at some researchers the idea of ​​a crisis of modern defense. Such a conclusion is not justified. It cannot be made from the fact that the Germans did not meet the necessary resistance from the Polish and French fronts, which could be provided to them with the proper use of existing defenses by the opponents. The defensive line of Weygun, for example, being hastily and not quite up-to-date equipped ... And yet, despite its multiple superiority, the Germans spent more than a week to overcome only this obstacle with a fight
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The author had the impression that the People's Commissar of Defense implies our defensive line along the western border, on the breakthrough of which the Germans can spend more than a week. Consider an excerpt from the "Notes ...", which was prepared before 9.11.40 (long before SVKS).

Note KNOVO NSH on the deployment plan for 1940 year: "Along the entire border stretches the line of fortified positions, consisting of field-type fortifications and unfinished construction of long-term UR (Vladimir-Volynsky, Strumilovsky, Rava-Russky and Peremyshlsky). In 1940, 370 of reinforced concrete structures were built in all the UAs, and, in addition, 160 reinforced concrete structures were built in the system of field defense units in the assumption. The defensive line along the line of the state border provided the armament of the constructed structures, in combination of long-term and field-type defense units, is the frontier on which the troops of concentration and deployment can rely. For a long and deep defense, it is necessary with the beginning of the spring 1941 of the year or directly with the beginning of the deployment to build two more lines... ”Reading the extract, you can imagine at least the field line of defense and long-term facilities that can be armed until the spring of 1941. How is this line worse than the Weygun line, inclined on the SIC?

The construction of the UR on the new border began in the summer of 40, and was discontinued in the fall, and since the spring of 1941, it has been continued. In the spring of 1941, about 140 thousand people and a huge amount of equipment work on the construction of the UR. Many units and unions were left without the sapper and engineer battalions. The construction plan provided for 1940-41. to complete the construction and equipment of the first line of defense units and URov strong points. In subsequent years, it was planned to build a second line of defense. About half of the long-term facilities should have been armed with artillery: DOT-2 and DOT-4 casemates.

The installation of DOT-2 (76-mm tank gun L-11) has been tested since March 1939. In May of the same year, an order was issued for the manufacture of 200 DOT-2 installations. More 200 installations were planned to be ordered in the 1941 year.
The installation of DOT-4 (45-mm gun and twin machine gun DS) was tested in February 1939 year, after which it was adopted. According to the plan, plant number 8 was supposed to begin the delivery of guns in October 1939, but actually began delivery in November, and by the time 1.1.40 had already accumulated guns at the factory. The first 324 installations were shipped to parts and warehouses in January of 173. In the first quarter of 1940, the plant had to pass 1940 installations of DOT-400, however it passed 4 - 1940 installations in January and in February - 90. Then until November 29, nothing surrendered.

Strangely, somehow: the military from the department of the URS GSH are not in a hurry with the production of DOT-4 installations and not only do not increase their production, but do not even plan it for the 1941 year.

The DOT-2 installations have been ordered ridiculously few and they are also missing from the plans for 1941.

В A decree SNK USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) "About the plan of military orders for 1941 г... "7.2.41 said:"To approve the plan of military orders ... for 1941 year ... "There are no case installations in this Decree. There is only a line on armament for the URAs: “Instruct the Defense Committee to consider the order of NPOs for arming the URAs within two weeks and, within the limits of the possibility, to place this order in industry... "That is, before this order was not worked out by the military and production workers.

Special message 5.5.41: "We send the contents of the telegrams of the British Ambassador to the USSR Cripps ... from 23.4.41, the city of ... Militarythat are beginning to be a force outside the party, are convinced that war is inevitable, but they are eager to postpone it at least until winter... "Our military"crave a postponement of war at least until winter", but not "at least"Is it until spring 1942 of the year? If you look at the construction of long-term facilities, it is very likely that the leadership of the spacecraft did not want to wait for the June 1941 war. Consider the memories of two veterans.

P.V.Afanasyev (PribOVO): "...General Staff, District Military Councils required from stuffed construction of long-term facilitiesand not knowledge of the combat readiness of the troops. So, at this time, construction is more important, then, there is still time, and it’s still far from the beginning of the war, because they know better. And, indeed, a simple calculation of the time required for at least one of the cycles, for the concrete concreting of the structure, followed by then the monthly period of the process of the concrete setting, showed that at the top, the calculations are based on a relatively long preservation of peaceful relations with the belligerent neighbor, that in the coming months the war is not expected... »

B.V. Bychevsky (LVO): “20 June [NSHLO] urgently called me by phone from Vyborg: “Come immediately”. Three hours later I was in his office:

- The situation, brother, has become more complicated. Finns on the Karelian Isthmus are activated. We will begin combat cover of the border. Clear?

- Not really.

- Prepare the sappers to install minefields at the border.

- but I have all the people engaged in concrete work, Dmitry Nikitich.

- So take off!

And from Moscow on this account have instructions? I believe that the laying of concrete can not be stopped...

Nikishev angrily interrupted:

- You never know what you think! Now there is no time to wait for instructions;
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Again, we see a private initiative of one of the leaders of the LVO, the NSh of the okrug, acting without instructions from the CA leadership ... Regularly reports were sent to the construction of the facilities to Moscow. In addition, in the construction of long-term structures, the method of continuous pouring of concrete was used to eliminate the occurrence of cracks, which did not allow the concrete works to be completed until the building structure was fully completed.

Note Commissar of Defense of the USSR and the Chief of the General Staff... 15.5.41: "At the same time, it is necessary to speed up the construction and arming of the UR in every possible way, to begin the construction of the UR in 1942 on the border with Hungary, and also to continue the construction of the UR along the line of the old state border... "Strange, yes? And to us "taldych"That the war by the leadership of the spacecraft was expected in June, and the document says about the construction of the SD in 1942 year ...

20.5.41 comes out new Decree SNK about armament for SD. The Resolution referred to the volume and timing of the production of weapons and equipment for the bunkers. 16.6.41 is out new ruling: "The Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) Note that the supply of weapons to SDs under construction is not satisfactory. In order to accelerate the bringing into combat readiness of the UR, the SNK of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) Decree:

1. Before obtaining weapons from the industry, allow NPOs to take machine guns for parts of the UR: a) at the expense of the "NZ" rear units - 2700 DP; b) from mobzapasa Far Eastern Front - 3000 DP and 2000 machine guns "Maxim", with the return in the fourth quarter of 1941 year.

...Produce ... at 1941 45 mm of DOT-4 casemate installations ...2078 pc. with the delivery of their NGOs: in the II quarter. - 200 installations, in July - 200 installations, in August - 300 installations, in September - 400 installations, in October - 400 installations, in November - 378 installations, in December - 200 installations ...

11. Oblige the People's Commissariat of Weapons to make machine guns, sights and periscopes for bunkers in quantities and in time
[total in 1941]: DP machine guns - 6575 ..., DT machine guns - 3440*..., the Maxim machine gun on the Sokolov machine - 6943**..., DS Machine Gun (without a machine) - 2071 ..., CT scopes - 17000..., periscopes PER-27 - 1580... Periscopes PDP-2 (PER-50) - 3220...

* Including 500 by order of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR (No. 1393-566cc / s)

** Including 4 500 by order of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR (No. 1393-566cc / s)
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The initiative to make such a decision always comes from the organization concerned, which is NCOs. The ruling goes beyond 5,5 days before the outbreak of war. Instead of preparing the troops of the border HE in the expected attack of Germany, exorbitant time and production volumes of the weapons and equipment that cannot be used at the start of the war are set. Arms shipments are added for SARs from the Far East, which also require a long time.

On the eve of the war in PribOVO, on the orders of the General Staff, the formation of pullets for URs begins. They pull out people (including commanders, who are a large shortage of troops) and resources from formations and formations to form units that in any case will not have time to fully equip them before 22 June. And most importantly, for these parts there are no fortifications. Of course, they can occupy built concrete boxes, but for them there is no weapon. From the word - absolutely ... The considered picture about the situation in the SD is possible only in one case - when the spacecraft leadership does not expect the start of the full-scale 22 war of June. Provocations, perhaps, are waiting ...

The same mythical forces as the German 8-10 parachute divisions were regiments and divisions heavy tanks. Intelligence searched for them before the start of the war, tried to track their transportation or movement. Not found. But what about without a heavy td break through the Soviet fortified strip? Perhaps, the German generals, under the guise of provocation, are preparing only reconnaissance by force? .. This was yet another misconception of the SC leadership. At the SVKS, much was said about the use of heavy tanks in breaking through fortified lanes and when the MK approached.

K.A. Meretskov: "For the organization of the breakthrough of the defensive line is required triple supremacy… In the presence of heavy tanks they will make up the 1 th tank echelon. His task is to break down the anti-tank (PT) defense, suppress and destroy the PT guns ... If ... heavy and medium tanks are assigned to military units, then they constitute the 2-th tank echelon. He advances after the first and destroys the PT guns ... Third and subsequent tank echelons make up light tanks, they destroy fire weapons, machine guns, and thus lead the infantry, continuously supporting it in the breakthrough ... This is the way we broke the Mannerheim line.... »

M.F.Terekhin (commander 5 mk): "Building a battle formation td: 1-th echelon - heavy tanks that break through the entire tactical depth and go into the operational depth of the enemy... "A similar statement by General Pavlov at the SVKS we reviewed in part 3.

In the spring of 1940, the leadership of the USSR was pleased to learn of the start of the campaign in France and Norway, which was supposed to postpone the war between the USSR and Germany. But suddenly the allies were defeated in a short period of time. France capitulated, and British troops were evacuated, abandoning all heavy weapons. During the short-term campaign, Germany became the owner of French tanks, among which were tanks equipped with thick armor. Also, as trophies, the Germans got most of the equipment of the British mechanized division.

The ease with which the German Armed Forces dealt with the allied thick armored tanks suggested that the KA leadership thought that the Germans had powerful PT artillery and powerful heavy tanks. Soviet intelligence regularly reported on the presence of heavy tanks in the German tank forces. In fact, in the German tank forces, T-IV tanks armed with an 75-mm cannon were considered heavy tanks.

Guderian: "France possessed the strongest land army and the largest armored forces in Western Europe. In May, the Anglo-French armed forces in the west had 1940 tanks at their disposal near 4800 tanks, while in the German armed forces, the list included 2800 tanks, including armored cars, and in fact, by the beginning of the offensive, there were approximately 2200. Consequently, the enemy had a double superiority, which was further enhanced by the fact that the French tanks were superior to the German armor protection and caliber of guns, however, being inferior to them in perfect control devices and in speed... "Our intelligence could deliver similar information on different quantity and quality of armored vehicles in the armies of the allies and the Germans ...

The first German heavy multi-turreted tank was Nb.Fz, made in five copies. The 2 tank was made of non-armored steel. They were used as educational and propaganda purposes. Three other heavy tanks were sent to Norway and 19.4.41 passed through the streets of Oslo. In late April, photographs of these tanks were in many European newspapers. In 1940, the installation option on Nb.Fz was considered. New turret with 105-mm gun. It was probably clear to our military that the Germans had to switch from single multi-turbo machines with heavy armor to heavy multi-turret machines, as well as in the spacecraft. And the "illuminated" heavy tanks are outdated technology.

Intelligence RU GSH KA 11.3.41: "It is known that during the attack on France in May, 1940, as part of the German army, was 2-3 td, which included one heavy tank regiment... "The Republic of Moldova is in good agreement with the statements of the military at the All-Union Special Forces on the use of heavy tanks. There is a mention that the presence of heavy tanks in the German Armed Forces helped break up a larger Allied tank group. Heavy tanks are beginning to be seen as a new super-weapon.

Intelligence 5 Office of the Red Army 17.5.40: "...According to the same source, the British army has only about 300 thousand of really trained soldiers, and the rest are poorly prepared. The army has Only 49 heavy tanks... "

The problem of providing space vehicles with modern heavy tanks is discussed in the Government and 28.5.40 comes out Resolution SNK on increasing the release of tanks KV. In June, 1940, the task was given to the design of 57-mm PT gun. In March, 1941, the gun was adopted. Due to the unavailability of the plant for the production of this complex weapon, the shipment of guns to the troops began only in the summer of 1941. The armor penetration of the 57-mm PT gun (at an angle of encounter 90 degrees) at a distance of 1000 and 500 m was 91 and 103 mm, respectively, which could not ensure the defeat of German heavy tanks. The thickness of the armor of these tanks, according to the assumptions of the military, could be at the level of the caliber of their guns or be a little more.

On the initiative of the Chairman of the Defense Council S.Timoshenko, who sent 13.6.40 to the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and SNK of the USSR memorandum about "Insufficient power of weapons of new KV and T-34 tanks, as well as other types of promising tanks under design"27.6.40 held a meeting of the CPC and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b). At the meeting, 45-mm tank guns were considered unpromising, and for arming heavy tanks, guns of caliber 85 ... 107-mm and howitzers 122 ... 152-mm advanced.

Guderian: "The material part of the newly formed divisions on the orders of Hitler was mainly french cars. This material part in no way met the requirements of the war in Eastern Europe. Insufficient production of machines in Germany, not satisfying the rapidly growing needs, unfortunately, did not allow us to cover this deficit.... "Similar information could be obtained by our intelligence. One cannot exclude the fact that there could be assumptions about the presence of French heavy tanks in the RM.

Special report of the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR: "25.2.41 at the station Izbitsa entered the train from 30 cars and platforms, from where the heavy tank unit was unloaded. Tanks are armed with guns and machine guns.... ”Since this part (battalion) of heavy tanks does not figure in subsequent RMs, it was probably about T-IV tanks. Intelligence in this case correctly identified their belonging to the German classification of heavy tanks, but these heavy tanks were not the ones that were expected to see at the border.

Intelligence RU GSH KA 11.3.41: "Recently, information was received on the formation of heavy td... At the moment, in the arsenal of the German army remains basically the same material part, with which the Germans began operations in Belgium and in France. Separate samples of tanks and armored vehicles underwent a slight modernization in terms of increasing armament and armor thickenings. Newly built tank models also tend to increase weight, armor and armor thickness..

Light tanks. ... Attention is drawn to the thickness of the armor (front plates), which can withstand the hit of an 45-mm projectile. Such tanks by the end of 1941 should be built 1590 ...

2. Medium tanks. Information about the construction of new samples is not available ...

3. Heavy tanks. According to information requiring additional verification, the Germans are beginning to build three new models of heavy tanks.

Type V. 36 t weight, 75 mm gun and 2 machine gun, armor up to 60 mm.

Type VI. 45 t weight, 75-mm gun, 20-mm gun and 3 machine gun, armor up to 70 mm.

Type VII. Weight 90 t, 105-mm gun, 2 - 20-mm gun and 4 machine gun
[thickness of armor is unknown].

In addition, Renault manufactures produce repair of 72-ton French tanksinvolved in the war in the west. According to the information received in March and requiring verification at the Skoda and Krupp factories production of 60 and 80-ton tanks...

PT artillery. There is a quantitative increase in the artillery PT, an increase in its caliber and the attraction of 20, 37 and 88-mm anti-aircraft guns to fight with tanks. In the battles in the West, "heavy battalion divisions of tanks" of a three-man unit acted; companies had 3 platoons, of which two platoons were armed with 88-mm anti-aircraft guns, and the third - 37-mm PT guns ... Divisions were the means of the main command and were attached to the corps or infantry, etc. on the main areas ... According to the information that needs to be checked, PT divisions of some TD are deployed on PT shelves of a two-division composition; The first division has 3 rotates for 12 37 or 47 mm guns, and the second division has 12 to 21 75 or 88 mm guns
... »

The RM from 11.3.41 provides rather frightening data on the presence and development of heavy tanks by the Germans, on the repair of heavy French tanks, and on the presence of entire divisions having such equipment. Why do we need anti-aircraft 88-mm guns in German td? Maybe to fight with our KV tanks? And how should the spacecraft respond to such rearmament of the Germans? That's right, enhancing their tanks.

Resolution SNK USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) 15.3.41: "The Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) Decide: to approve a production plan for KB tanks in the number of 1941 units for 1200 year, including in the Kirov factory ... 1000 pcs. and the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant ... - 200 pcs ... For the preparation of mass production of tanks KB-3... for 1.5.41 to make an 1-th copy of such a tank and, together with NPOs for 15.5.41, conduct its testing and approve drawings and technical conditions for launching into the series... "

The decree says the start of production 500 KV-3 tanks from August 1941 of the year. The tank's armor is 90 mm, the X-NUMX-mm F-76 gun is the most powerful F-34 tank gun at that time (of course, except for the M-34 cannon in the KV-10 tank). The F-2 cannon is weak to arm a heavy tank. According to the military and political leadership of the country, our heavy tanks look weaker than similar enemy vehicles.

In March, 1941, Marshal Kulik, arrived at the artillery plant No. XXUMX in Gorky, setting the task of the plant’s chief designer, VG Grabin, to urgently re-equip the KV-92 tank. According to the memories V.G. Grabina some time later, the following conversation with Stalin took place: “Stalin: Hello, Comrade Grabin. I want to consult with you. It is believed that a heavy tank is armed with a low-power cannon that does not meet the objectives of a heavy tank. At present, the question of rearming it is being considered: instead of the 76-mm cannon, it is proposed to put a powerful 107-mm. I would like to know your point of view on this issue....

Grabin: KWhen our design bureau GAU issued a TTT for the 76-mm cannon for a heavy tank, we carefully studied the issues related to the tanks and their weapons, and concluded that the 76-mm cannon for a heavy tank is unpromising and does not meet the requirements of even today. We believed that a heavy tank should be equipped with a more powerful gun, the projectile of which would pierce the armor, equal in power to the armor of its tank, from a distance of 1000 meters. They expressed their opinion to the leadership of the State Agrarian University and the Abtyuk State Technical University, but no one agreed with us..

Stalin: So you have long had an opinion about the insufficient power of the 76-mm gun for a heavy tank?

Grabin: Yes, Comrade Stalin.

Stalin: Are you sure that the 107-mm cannon can be put in a heavy tank?

Grabin: Yes, Comrade Stalin, I am deeply convinced that the 107-mm gun can be put in
heavy tank. If I understand you correctly, should this gun be higher than 107-mm modernized in its power?


Stalin: You understood me correctly... »

In early May 1941, a prototype ZIS-6 cannon was installed in the turret of the KV-2 tank. 14.5.41 was shot first. The armor-piercing projectile had armor penetration in the 160-175 mm area according to the Soviet measurement method. Serial production of ZIS-6 guns was supposed to begin with 1.7.41. Such a gun had to penetrate the armor of any German heavy tank.

Why did not you think to increase the production of tanks KV-2? Probably one of the reasons for the overweight of the tank, even without additional shielding. The shooting of a naval semi-armored projectile from an 152-mm cannon of the KV-2 tank was practiced at the beginning of World War II due to the lack of howitzer armor-piercing ammunition. The armor penetration of this projectile was about 72 mm of steel from a distance of 1500 meters at an angle of 60 degrees. Direct hits of regular high-explosive grenades or concrete-breaking shells in any enemy armored vehicle of that time could probably be fatal in almost all cases ... But this is purely theoretical. The design and thickness of the armor of German heavy tanks was unknown, and the shells for the 152-mm cannon are very expensive. The People's Commissariat of Weapons did not cope with the plan to launch large-caliber projectiles in 1940 and in the first half of 1941 ...

Three weeks later, the question of Soviet heavy tanks was again being discussed. They should be no worse than German.
Resolution SNK USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) 7.4.41 "Shielding of KV-1 and KV-2 tanks, artillery armament and reinforcement of the KV-3 tank and design of KV-4 and KV-5 tanks in 1941 g ":"SNK of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) decide:

I. On the screening of tanks KV-1 and KV-2

1. Recognize the need to make additional reservations for 1 KV tanks and 2 KV tanks by shielding the most vulnerable armor spots (frontal plate and tower), for which:

a) ... to develop and manufacture for the 1.5.41 two prototypes of the 1 KV and 2 KV tanks with an additional armor screen 25 30 mm armor plate thickness. Take into account the possibility of creating gaps between the tank's main armor and the mounted screen;

b) to 15.5.41 to complete the refinement of drawings and technology for shielding and approve them to NPO (GABTU KA);

c) with the 1.6.41, the production of the 1 KV and the 2 KV ... with a screen.

2. Tanks KV 1 and KV 2, located in military units, shield in place, starting the screening with 1.7.41 and ending by 1 Jan. 1942 of the year. The management of this work is to be entrusted to NPOs (GABTU KA). NPO (GABTU KA) to 20.6.41 organize bases for shielding tanks in the troops, equipping them for welding and mechanical work, providing mobile power stations, welding equipment and compressors ...

Ii. About tank KV-3

1. In change of the resolution SNK USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) of 15.3.41:

a) install armor tank XV 3: frontal - 115-120 mm, towers - 115 mm;

b) equip an 3 107 KV tank with a ZN 6 cannon with an initial speed of 800 m / s ... Go to 5.5.41 plant No.92 at the Kirov 107-mm ZIS-6 cannon, install it in the tower of the 3 KV tank, and ... work out the booking system .

3. ... Produced in 1941. 500 pcs. tanks XV 3, armed with 107-mm cannon ZIS-6.

4. … To supply 107-mm guns ZIS-6 to the Kirov Plant for the 1941 program in the following terms: in July - 45 units, in August - 60 units, in September - 90 units, in October - 110 units, in November - 110 pcs. and up to 15.5.41 - 65 pcs ...

Iii. About tank KV-4

1. Oblige the Kirov Plant to design and manufacture an 4 KV tank (with an extended base) on TTT NKO, armed with a ZIS-107 XM gun and with 6-125 mm main armor, with the possibility of increasing the thickness of the tank armor in the most vulnerable places to 130-140 mm (turret, frontal plate) ... To 150 to produce one prototype of the KV 1.10.41 tank, for which:

a) for the 1.6.41 Kirovsky Plant to produce and submit to Izhora Plant drawings for the hull and turret of the KV 4 tank;

b) for the 15.6.41 Kirovsky Plant, submit for the approval of an NPO (GABTU KA) a model and technical design of the KV 4 tank;

c) to the 15.8.41 Izhora plant to produce and deliver to the Kirov factory the hull and turret of the KV 4 tank.

Iv. About tank KV-5

Oblige the Kirov Plant ... to design and manufacture for the 10.11.41 the KV-5 tank ... To approve the following main characteristic of the KV-5 tank: a) frontal armor - 170 mm; b) turret armor - 170 mm; c) side armor - 150 mm; d) one gun caliber 107 mm; e) diesel engine - 1,2 ths. ls
... »

Pay attention to the timing of shielding tanks KV-1 and KV-2: the beginning of 1.7.41 and the end of 1.1.42. Work should begin on 20 June 1941. Series production of new 107-mm guns also starts on 1.7.41, and the tests of the projectiles for them are required to be completed in the month of June. Probably, the manufacture of shells will begin in July.

The design of the new KV-4 and KV-5 heavy tanks begins in a relatively short time. Work on the creation of this technique does not stop until the beginning of the war and will continue after its start. Work will stop only when it becomes finally clear that the Germans do not have mythical heavy tanks. In addition, the loss of heavy weapons of spacecraft will be catastrophic. After that, all forces will be thrown for the release of weapons. All of the above is possible only in the case of a serious fear of the country's military-political leadership to face unknown enemy tanks.

Guderian: "In the spring of 1941, Hitler allowed the Russian military commission to inspect our tank schools and tank factories, ordering everyone to show the Russians. At the same time, the Russians, inspecting our T-IV type tank, did not want to believe that this was our heaviest tank. They have repeatedly stated that we are hiding from them our newest designs, which Hitler promised to show them. The commission’s perseverance was so great that our manufacturers and officers of the weapons control department concluded: “It seems that the Russians themselves already possess heavier and more advanced types of tanks than we... »

New post on heavy tanks. Special message "Rato" 27.4.41: "From 21 to 23, April, Paris sent 800 light tanks to the east ... Recently, 70-ton tanks from the Renault plant were sent to Katowice - Poland. At the Hotchkiss factory, heavy tanks are being repaired (only Hotchkiss and German), it is supposed to finish the repair of all existing tanks next week, German soldiers say that these tanks will go to Portugal... "Portugal may be misinformation and tanks will be at our border ...

Probably, in April there were other RMs on heavy tanks that are not yet in the public domain. On the basis of these RMs, the issue of the formation of new parts could be considered.

Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and SNK USSR 23.4.41: "The Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR decide: to approve the formation proposed by the People’s Commissar of Defense:

a) 10-ti PT artillery brigades RGC, each in the composition: management brigade; Xnumx's; staff battery; a mine-sapper battalion and a motor-vehicle battalion ... In service of each brigade to have: 2 cannons mm of model 76 d. (F-1936) - 22; 48 mm anti-aircraft guns - 85; 48 guns mm M-107 - 60
... »

The RM from 11 March talked about the German PT shelves, which include anti-aircraft 88-mm guns. Our PT crews also have 85-mm anti-aircraft guns. The brigade has guns and more powerful 107-mm. These guns are introduced into the PT brigade due to their higher armor penetration compared to the 45-mm PT gun. Since the tanks available in the German army have reservations at the level of 50 ... 60 mm, our PT brigades are preparing to meet tanks with a greater thickness of armor. To combat light and medium tanks with enhanced armor in the brigade are 76-mm guns. Everything is logical, according to intelligence.



The problem is different. All of these artillery systems are not quite suitable for use as a PT. Their excessive weight is not the only reason.

In "Short description... "76-mm guns indicated:"Guidance guns allow you to fire, both at ground targets, and at moving ground targets ... A lifting mechanism that serves to impart a tool to elevation angles is assembled on the right side of the upper machine body. The sight and the turning mechanism serving for horizontal pickup are located on the left side of the machine.... »

Thus, two people are involved in targeting the F-22 guns (as well as the F-22USV): one leads in the horizontal plane, and the other in the vertical plane. If the tank goes to the cannon on a perfectly flat surface, then the gunner can hit the target independently. If the tank goes over rough terrain: having angles, lows, small elevations and there are obstacles on the field, then you can probably get somewhere in the tank. But getting into the vulnerable position of the tank is already problematic - the gunner does not have the opportunity to clarify the vertical guidance. On the gun ZIS-3 eliminated this disadvantage. Many of our F-22 guns were captured by the Germans. Turning them into a PT gun, among other rework, the Germans transferred the mechanism of vertical guidance to the placement side of the gunner.

A similar problem was with the 107-mm gun and with the 85-mm anti-aircraft gun. In addition, the anti-aircraft gun was too high and there were not enough armor-piercing shells for it. A few days after the start of the war, it turned out that there were not enough high-explosive fragmentation shells ...

Did the Germans actually develop heavy tanks? At the end of the 30s, it was decided to design a heavy tank to replace the future T-III and T-IV tanks in the future. In January, 1937 was commissioned to develop a prototype 30-ton heavy tank with 50 mm armor (DW I - 1 breakthrough tank). In addition to the DW I, an order was issued to develop a heavier version of the DW II tank. Both prototypes were made in one copy, in 1937 and 1938, respectively. The DW I and DW II tests gave designers practical experience, which was the basis for the VK3001 (H) project and subsequent heavy tanks. By the end of 1938, work on DW projects was discontinued, and 9.9.1938 began design work on creating new prototypes of heavy tanks. The design of the DW I / II tank has grown into a new VK3001 (H) design.

In March, 1941, the firm "Henschel and Sons" produced two prototypes VK3001 (H).

The development of the 36-ton VK3601 (H) began when the armament control formulated the requirements for a heavy tank: its armament should allow piercing from 1500 m distance to 100 mm armor, and its armor had to withstand a hit from a similar caliber. According to other data, in the task it was formulated that the weapon should pierce the armor up to 140 mm from a distance of 1000 meters, and the thickness of the armor was specified in 100 mm.

Porsche AG developed the 45-tonne tank VK4501 (P).

At a meeting in Berghof, 26.5.41 presented to Hitler the models of the VK4501 (P) and VK3601 (H) tanks, which were approved by him. It was decided to allocate funds for their further development. From development to mass production of these tanks took a long time. The military-political leadership of Germany believed that the German Armed Forces would cope with the spacecraft without new tanks. Having started the war in the 1941 year, they did not want to give the spacecraft the opportunity to finally rearm before the 1942 year.

The Germans had a bad idea of ​​the scale of the spacecraft rearmament begun. If they had more information, perhaps the events could have developed differently. For example, they could accelerate the development of their more modern tanks from the 1939 year, or increase the production of military equipment. Well, that did not happen ... Our intelligence delivered information about the development of promising heavy tanks, which could also be tossed as disinformation.

In June, all the intelligence services of the Soviet Union near the border did not indicate the presence of units and formations of German heavy tanks. In the requests below, the GSG KA asks for clarification of all available information on the German Armed Forces, incl. and heavy tanks. Such a request, according to the author, is an understanding of the RU GSH, that something is not going the way they imagine it ...

Special Post RU GSH KA in the NKGB USSR 3.6.41: "We ask the means at your disposal to help the GS GSA in checking, identifying and clarifying the following questions:

1. The total number of contingent taken into the German army and its age composition with distribution among the ground forces, SS and CA troops, air forces, reserve ground army and naval the fleet.

2. The organizational structure of the German military units: DD, etc., heavy td, md, gsd, airborne divisions, parachute divisions, corps artillery, artillery units of the GDK, anti-aircraft corps and anti-aircraft divisions, air corps and aviation divisions, chemical units ...

5. On which prototypes of tank, aviation and artillery weapons work the German military industry and the military department; what are the main indicators of these prototypes; that for the second half of 1940 and in 1941 from the new models of weapons adopted in mass production. It is especially important to identify: by tanks: the maximum thickness and strength of armor resistance, types of tanks with maximum weight and weapons and the number of tanks in Germany weighing 45 tons and above ...

6. The dispositions of the headquarters of the German armies and the headquarters of army groups in all German theaters of operations against the USSR, in particular, check the presence of army headquarters and their numbering in Königsberg, Allenstein, Warsaw, Lublin, in the Zamost-Krasnystav-Yankov region, in the Tarnów-Dębiez region -Bohnya, near Zakopane - 75 km south of Krakow. German army headquarters on the territory of Romania, the headquarters of army groups (fronts) in the areas of Lodz-Spala (former residence Moscitskogo1) and Krakow.

7. Recheck the number of German divisions and corps east of the river Oder, i.e. from the line Moravska Ostrava - Bres Lau (Breslav) - Stettin.

It is particularly important to identify the composition of the troops in the most poorly lit areas: Czestochowa, Katowice, Krakow; Lodz, Poznan, Breslau; Poznan, Frankfurt an der Oder, Bresse Lau and Danzig, Stettin, Bromberg (Bydgoszcz)
... »

Directive NKGB USSR Commissar of State Security of the USSR Meshiku... 9.6.41: "The conditions of the present situation put forward before all the intelligence agencies of the Soviet Union, as the most important task, the clarification of all questions connected with the preparation of a war against the USSR, and first of all from Germany. Therefore, in your intelligence work, as a task for the near future, there should be a clarification of the following questions:

... 2. Organizational structure of individual German military units: DD, etc., тяжелы С… тР° РЅРєРѕРІС ‹С… РґРёРІРёР · РёР№, md, gsd, divisions of air infantry, parachute divisions, corps artillery, artillery units of the RGK, anti-aircraft corps and anti-aircraft divisions, aviation corps and aviation divisions, chemical units ...

4. What are the new models adopted for the second half of 1940, and in 1941, into service in the German army; tanks, aviation and artillery weapons. РћСЃРѕР ± енно РІР ° жно РІС ‹СЏРІРёС by tanks: the maximum thickness and resistance force of armor, the types of tanks with maximum weight and armament and the number of tanks weighing from 45 tons and above ...
»

Special post "Zakharu" 10.6.41: "We received an urgent task of the relevant authorities regarding the identification and clarification of the deployment, organization and armament of the German army. Issues to be developed are the following: ... Organizational structure of the German military units: DD, etc., heavy td, md, gsd, divisions of air infantry, parachute divisions, corps artillery, artillery units of the RGK, anti-aircraft corps and anti-aircraft divisions, aviation corps and aviation divisions, chemical units ...

In this case, especially important to identify: for tanks - the maximum thickness and strength of armor resistance; types of tanks with a maximum weight and weapons and the number in Germany of tanks weighing 45 tons and above
... »

The question of the penetration of German tanks is raised by G.K. Zhukov in the first days of the war: “...In 17 hours of 24.6.41, I had a conversation on "Bodo" ​​with the commander of the 5 army, General MI Potapov ... How do your HF and others act? Do armor punched German tanks and about how many tanks lost the enemy on your front?..

Potapov. KV tanks are large 30 units. All are without projectiles for 152-mm guns. I have T-26 and BT tanks, mainly of old brands, including two-turrets. Enemy tanks destroyed by about a hundred ...

Zhukov. 152-mm KV guns shoot 09-30 projectiles, so order to issue concrete-concrete 09-30 projectiles immediately. and put them in motion. You will peel the enemy tanks with might and main... "

The problem with 152-mm shells was that there were almost none in the districts - there were even fewer of them than 76-mm armor-piercing shells ...

Consider another misconception of the spacecraft’s leadership regarding the work of the headquarters. M.D.Gretsov (NSH 2 QC): "In the pre-war manuals, many provisions were set forth without regard for the maneuvering nature of the war, with its quick change of events and tensions. Long verbose orders, detailed charts and timetables, statements and registration journals - all this in the form of cumbersome office work was recommended to the headquarters. And the headquarters in the early days of the war, following these instructions, diligently tapped on typewriters long orders, opt-in reports and, of course, were late. The headquarters, which in their activities were most eager to write and print, inevitably fell into time trouble and did not ensure good command and control of troops ...

One of the most difficult periods of war full of dramatic events was, of course, the initial one. At that time, command and control and staff service were subjected to the most difficult trials and did not always withstand them. The consequences of mistakes and miscalculations made on the eve and at the beginning of the war would not be so tragic for us if our headquarters were more seriously preparing for war and for an unusual, sudden entry into it.

Paradoxical as it may seem, but the fact that our high staffs in peacetime worked very hard on the theory of warfare, diligently and persistently studied, exercising, maneuvering, field trips worked out countless options for all sorts of operations, except for one thing - how to behave in the first day, in the first hours and minutes of the outbreak of war in the face of a sudden attack of the enemy ...

We had developed detailed plans and instructions on what to do on "M" day, i.e. on the day of the announcement of the mobilization, everything was arranged by the minute and in detail, up to when and which units go to the bathhouse, when and where they receive shells, ammunition, etc., and, finally, famous packages were kept in the vaults of each headquarters with a cover plan, in which exactly it was painted, when and where it was necessary for the troops to move. All these plans were. But, unfortunately, they did not say anything about what to do if the enemy suddenly goes on the offensive
... »

To be continued ...
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  1. +2
    16 July 2018 06: 34
    it all starts with a teacher - there were few literate and educated people.
    examples - personally the GKZh knows and permits the use of an old shell for 152 m, but didn’t know others (in the division and the beginning of art)? and so on all pp you can comment on the article
    1. +13
      16 July 2018 09: 47
      ... the real military operations of the German military in the early days of the war differed from the vision of the leadership of the spacecraft of the enemy in the initial period. This error of the leadership of the spacecraft was noted in the memoirs of G.K. Zhukova, A.M. Vasilevsky ... - from article

      The whole trouble of the Red Army was that the leadership of the Red Army, not Stalin IV, namely the military leadership did not represent the nature of the future war, the principles of its conduct, philosophy, if you like. They were preparing for the last war.
      They ordered weapons from the character of the First World War, developed combat manuals for the actions of troops. By the way, K. Meretskov spoke about this at the December 1940 Meeting, analyzing the experience of the past Finnish war, about the destructive construction of infantry fighting formations, which made it possible to beat our divisions in parts.
      It is worth recalling, ordered from the nature of the past war, unsuitable for a future war, three and five tower tanks, monsters T-28 and T-35; thousands of easily penetrated T-26 and BT tanks, in which there was no such commander who evaluated the stop of the battlefield and guided the combat vehicle, or rather he was, but performed other functions - gunner; virtually complete absence of radio communications in tanks and aircraft, which did not allow them to be led on the battlefield and in the air, etc.
      In the Red Army there was no interaction between the combat arms on the battlefield, thousands of tanks, floppy mechanized corps were created that were not supported by motorized infantry and artillery, including anti-tank, battlefield aircraft.
      The scourge of all the troops was the lack of efficient radio communications, ensuring the combat work of all according to a single plan of commanders and commanders. And none of the generals of the Red Army before the war did not bother to order from the industry reliable radio communication devices.
      One of the claims of I.V. Stalin to the leadership of the Red Army Air Force was that they ordered planes without a radio from industry, and from those planes that took them off, because "they prevented pilots from controlling the planes due to the lack of screening of engines", actually condemning the aircraft to inefficient combat work during the war.
      It was this ignorance of the future nature of the war by the military leadership of the Red Army, not I.V. I repeat, Stalin was the main reason for the defeat of the initial period of the Great Patriotic War.
      1. VS
        -1
        16 July 2018 11: 50
        Do you believe that our geniuses in NGOs and the General Staff did not know how it will be in a new war?)))
        1. +7
          16 July 2018 14: 20
          Do you believe that our geniuses in NGOs and the General Staff did not know how it would be in a new war?))) - V.S. (Basil)

          Apparently you are little interested in the history of the Second World War. This is evidenced by facts, pre-war equipment and weapons, tactics of the troops, memoirs of the same military leaders, finally, where they admit it.
          For example, the same G.K. Zhukov in his memoirs, this confirms, modestly true, but where do you get away from historical reality.
          Zhukov G.K. "Remembering and thinking." Chapter 11
          "Sometimes they ask me why, by the beginning of the war with fascist Germany, we were not fully prepared for the leadership of the war and the command of the troops of the fronts.
          First of all, I think it’s fair to say that many of the then leading workers of the People’s Commissariat of Defense and the General Staff too canonized the experience of the First World War. Most of the command staff of the operational-strategic link, including the leadership of the General Staff, theoretically understood the changes that had occurred in the nature and methods of waging the Second World War. However, in reality they were preparing to wage war according to the old scheme, mistakenly believing that a big war will begin, as before, with border battles, and then the main enemy forces will only come into action. But the war, contrary to expectations, began immediately with the offensive actions of all ground and air forces of Nazi Germany.
          It must also be recognized that a certain amount of responsibility for shortcomings in the preparation of the armed forces for the outbreak of hostilities are the People’s Commissar of Defense and senior officials of the People’s Commissariat of Defense. As a former chief of the General Staff and the closest assistant to the People’s Commissar, I can’t take the blame for these shortcomings either. "
          1. VS
            -3
            17 July 2018 06: 34
            And now, let’s say that the GKZh has lied to the slander))) But — to hear that I was talking about June 22 — I have little interest in the Second World War — it was funny))) (Kozinkin O.Yu.)
            1. +1
              17 July 2018 13: 14
              And now suppose that the GKZh has lied a slander ... - V.S. (Basil)

              The fact that Zhukov “lied” and, I suppose, it’s enough to compare his “Memoirs” of different terms of publication, he does not write anything about his failed actions, he only modestly mentions “I can’t take the blame for these shortcomings too.”
              But the fact that the leadership of the Red Army "too canonized the experience of the First World War," "actually prepared to wage war according to the old scheme" is confirmed not only by Zhukov, this is evidenced by the facts of how the generals of the spacecraft fought.
              I don’t remember which of the German generals, in my opinion, Guderian wrote in his memoirs that the Russians made a lot of tanks, but did not learn how to fight them, they use the tactics of the First World War - this is about the initial stage of the war.
              1. VS
                -1
                18 July 2018 07: 15
                The differences in the re-releases of his ViR are not important .. There are his drafts and there he showed in more detail what happened in the pre-war days ...
                Regarding the experience of the WWI - Madame, the author showed - EVERYBODY KNEW HOW the Germans will advance - HOW they are fighting))) The problem was different - they did not choose a normal strategy - adventurous = their response. Not taking into account anything at all from military science - in my mind ..
            2. +4
              18 July 2018 03: 55
              It’s good that it’s light.
              But you're lying big! In the next part there is a link to the site
              on which Sergei Chekunov directly writes on many events before the war: he is lying kozinkin, lying kozinkin.
              And what to expect from a scribbler who knows only three correct books
              1. VS
                -3
                18 July 2018 07: 18
                These THREE books are more than enough to see HOW our military got messed up at the beginning of the war ... And what’s the next Batan who doesn’t understand what he sees in the MILITARY docks - I’m not very interested)))
                Do not create yourself an idol - the more of those such as Chekunov)) Which Madame on that forum d. Roy almost directly called)))
        2. +9
          16 July 2018 21: 27
          A strange question. What does "believe" mean? The result, ernically said, is "on the face." Here at least believe, at least not believe. From the point of view of military doctrine and modern strategy at that time, they did not know. From the point of view of tactics, the actions of the units, the interaction of the combat arms in the combined groups, with the use of new technical equipment, did not know. Separate commanders of the Red Army had their own opinion, but in the conditions of a tough "party" careerism they kept quiet in a rag, because it was fraught with show off - a maximum of "collective farms" by their own understanding was quiet in their units, which somewhere later saved from immediate defeat. Against the "party line", imposed by many representatives of the leadership of the Red Army, - no arguing.
          1. VS
            -3
            17 July 2018 06: 35
            Did you know or didn’t know - you do not read their words in memoirs, BECAUSE THEY HAVE talked about the ongoing war in those days)))) Even Madame the author quoted Tymoshenko about it)))
      2. +2
        16 July 2018 13: 02
        everyone understood everything
        And the MENTALITY - "Went into the field at dawn and mow until noon" - the educational level.
        to which they could think - at that level and were preparing to fight.
        and in WWI, the nobles were much higher than the level and did not enter Berlin
      3. +8
        16 July 2018 13: 40
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The whole trouble of the Red Army was that the leadership of the Red Army, not Stalin IV, namely the military leadership did not represent the nature of the future war, the principles of its conduct, philosophy, if you like. They were preparing for the last war.

        And how should our leadership know the true nature of the new war if intelligence supplied a wild mixture of real information with rumors, speculation and outright misinformation. The same pre-war enthusiasm for the Airborne Forces and motorcycle units did not appear from scratch - it was intelligence that the Germans massively used in France airborne assaults and thousands of hordes of motorcyclists. Oh yes - according to intelligence, the Maginot Line was hacked by heavy German tanks with 105-mm guns. belay
        Quote: vladimirZ
        It is worth recalling, ordered from the nature of the past war, unsuitable for a future war, three and five tower tanks, monsters T-28 and T-35; Thousands of easily penetrated T-26 and BT tanks, which didn’t have such a commander, who estimated the stop of the battlefield and led the combat vehicle

        And what have the tanks put into service in the early 30s?
        Yes, and the late replacement of the T-26 and BT - this is not the fault of the leadership of the Red Army. Requirements for the future T-34 were put forward following the results of the Spanish campaign and familiarization with France’s BTT back in 1938. The replacement of the T-26 was required even earlier. But industry is objectively could not.
        Quote: vladimirZ
        virtually complete absence of radio communications in tanks and aircraft, which did not allow them to be led on the battlefield and in the air, etc.

        Again, the question is for industry - and it answers that there are no radios, since there are no personnel. Personnel will be in 1941 (10 years of training) - then there will be a shaft of precision mechanics and electronics.
        Quote: vladimirZ
        In the Red Army, there was no interaction between the combat arms on the battlefield, thousands of tanks, clumsy mechanized corps that were not supported by motorized infantry and artillery were created

        There were artillery and motorized infantry in the mechanized corps. The problem is that they did not have time to complete these MKs and carry out coordination - according to the plans, coordination at the battalion level was to be completed in August 1941.
        Quote: vladimirZ
        And none of the generals of the Red Army before the war did not bother to order from the industry reliable radio communication devices.

        Yes, yes, yes ... industry before the war lay at the feet of generals - well, order powerful and reliable radio stations from us. But the generals twisted and turned away - no, we won’t order it.
        You look - what and in what quantities in real life the army demanded. And that as a result received. The same serial tank walkie-talkies provided a communication length of half to three times less than what was set according to the statement of work - and in telegraph mode. And the quality of voice communications was such that the experiments on the creation of armored artillery spotters failed due to the impossibility of using the standard tank radio for correction.
        Quote: vladimirZ
        It was this ignorance of the future nature of the war by the military leadership of the Red Army, not I.V. I repeat, Stalin was the main reason for the defeat of the initial period of the Great Patriotic War.

        Nevertheless, it was knowledge of the nature of the future war that served as the reason for the victory of the USSR. Adopted by the top military-political leadership as early as the 20s, the "strategy of starvation" with its mobplan and evacuation turned out to be the only one possible for the USSR.
        1. +4
          16 July 2018 17: 30
          Nevertheless, it was knowledge of the nature of the future war that served as the reason for the victory of the USSR. - Alexey RA (Alexey)

          You have written a lot, I will not answer everything, but I will answer the main one.
          The reason for the victory of the USSR was the great industrial and economic potential created by the Soviet people, brought up by the communist ideology, under the leadership of the Bolshevik party, headed by the great statesman and leader I.V. Stalin. The potential that was able to make up for the grave losses in military equipment of 1941-42, the human losses of the personnel of the Army with a new type of Soviet people who are ready to lay down their lives for the Soviet Motherland.
          As for the knowledge of the nature of the future war, yes, our generals assumed something there, but as it turned out, not quite what happened. Above cited G.K. Zhukov from his "Memoirs and Reflections" on this subject, look.
          Already during the war, our generals had to study, shedding the blood of soldiers and losing millions of lives, comprehending modern military science. In historical literature there is even such a book with the characteristic title "Year 1942 - Academic" V.V. Beshanova.
          Now on technology and weapons.
          Industry itself does nothing, engineers simply do not know what kind of military equipment the generals need, in what quantity, with what tactical and technical data. There is a system of orders for the military, what they need for specific types of military operations: which tanks, types of artillery guns, aircraft, etc. What the military orders is industry. It took Marshal Tukhachevsky, based on his understanding of military tactics and strategy, tens of thousands of light fast tanks, the industry issued. And the fact that Marshal Tukhachevsky did not understand the basics of tank combat, he himself did not sit in the tank, could not imagine how he was fighting, what was evident from this tank, how to lead it — this was the tenth thing for him. There are no radios in tanks and planes, and it’s not necessary, flags and wing-wagging will be controlled.
          As for your statement, in the USSR there were not enough personnel on the radio, so they were not enough in mechanical engineering, engine building, etc., but nevertheless, all that was needed was acquired abroad by entire factories with technologies and production. The military would set the task of providing military radio, would purchase and build modern plants and the necessary radio communications equipment, and train personnel. Stalin I.V. he did everything for the Army that the generals requested.
          1. +6
            16 July 2018 19: 17
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Already during the war, our generals had to study, shedding the blood of soldiers and losing millions of lives, comprehending modern military science. In historical literature there is even such a book with the characteristic title "Year 1942 - Academic" V.V. Beshanova.

            You would bring Boryusik Sokolov as a source. laughing
            Quote: vladimirZ
            There is a system of orders for the military, what they need for specific types of military operations: which tanks, types of artillery guns, aircraft, etc. What the military orders is industry.

            You stubbornly confuse the USSR of the 30s with the USSR of the times of Brezhnev. In the 30s, industry did not produce what the army wanted, but what it could.
            The army in the mid-20s ordered a heavy machine gun - and in 1938 received the DShKM, produced in homeopathic quantities (nine thousand for the entire war).
            The army in 1931 ordered a 15-mm machine gun for anti-aircraft defense and anti-tank missile systems - did not receive it.
            The army ordered a 20 mm MZA - did not receive it.
            The army ordered a 37 mm MZA - it received only just before the war.
            What the army received in 1940 instead of a medium and heavy tank, you yourself know.
            And here is what the army received instead of the walkie-talkies:
            The radio station of the German tank provides reliable two-way telephone communication while driving and in the parking lot, including at the maximum distance indicated by the manufacturer ... The operator was able to contact the phone even at a distance of 30 percent. exceeding the maximum range, while the radio station of our tank at maximum distance provides only a confident reception. The transmission range on our tank is significantly reduced compared to the passport data ...
            A positive quality of the German tank’s transceiver station is also that it provides reliable communication in movement, whereas during the movement of the BT tank, the reception quality is significantly reduced until the complete loss of communication...
            According to all the main characteristics, the radio station of a German tank surpasses that installed on a domestic tank.

            it should be taken into account that the communication range of radio stations was up to 50 km in telegraphic mode in the parking lot, while the communication range fell to 30 km in telegraphic and 15 km in telephone mode
            © Shein / Ulanov
            Quote: vladimirZ
            The military would set the task of providing military radio, would purchase and build modern plants and the necessary radio communications equipment, and train personnel.

            The military set a task. The industry said wait in 1942.
      4. +5
        18 July 2018 16: 39
        Quote: vladimirZ

        The whole trouble of the Red Army was that the leadership of the Red Army, not Stalin IV,

        And thank God!
        Quote: vladimirZ
        it was the military leadership that did not represent the nature of the future war,

        And where could they imagine this "character"? At that time, “Theory” reigned that “our tanks are fast,” like that. Yes, and the military “thought” of Tukhachevsky, despite his “elimination,” had “weight” in the officer corps of the Red Army.
  2. +11
    16 July 2018 07: 07
    “The question of breaking through German tanks is raised by G.K. Zhukov in the early days of the war:“ ... At 17 pm on 24.6.41/5/XNUMX I had a conversation on Bodo with the commander of the XNUMXth Army, General M. I. Potapov ... How do your KV and others act? Do German tanks penetrate the armor and how many tanks have the enemy lost on your front? ..
    Potapov. KV large tanks have 30 pieces. All of them without shells to 152 mm guns. I have T-26 and BT tanks, mainly of old brands, including two-turret ones. Enemy tanks destroyed up to about a hundred ...
    Zhukov. The 152-mm KV guns fire projectiles from 09-30, so order immediate delivery of concrete-piercing shells from 09-30. and use them. You’ll hit the enemy’s tanks with might and main ... "" ... only this can be distinguished from this dialogue ... Zhukov went in cycles to make all decisions on himself, which clearly affected the combat effectiveness of the units ... the issue of shells should have been decided by his ambassador .. ... and they obviously did not have information on this situation, and without a piece of paper from the headquarters, no one in the warehouses would give anything to the unit even if the enemy stood at the gates of the warehouses.
  3. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 13
    "" It turns out that if the enemy was somewhere able to break through and move at a pace of up to 40 km / day, then after some time he will stop and will prepare for a new attack while waiting for the infantry masses ""
    - Well, WHERE did the author find this with Tymoshenko? Again, something is invented by our author for marshals - who is there who "thought"))))
    And THAT IS REALLY REALLY "thought" in NPOs and the General Staff in those days))))


    And here is what General M.D. Gretsov in his work “On the South-Western Direction (June-November 1941)” (Moscow 1965 For official use. The bar is removed) - what were the objections to the nature of the future war with Germany. Who fought in Poland or France, I attack with tanks in the first place, but they will not fight with us like that (in the opinion of the future innocent victims of Stalinism Klenovs):
    “As for the tactics of offensive actions of a probable enemy, its characterization based on the materials of the same Conference (December 31, 1940 - K.O.) was limited to considering two options for a breakthrough. The execution scheme of the first version of the breakthrough was presented in this form. At first, after strong artillery and aviation training, the enemy infantry breaks through the defense front, and then (on the second or third day) a breakthrough echelon (mobile groups) came into force, consisting of tanks, infantry, artillery, etc. which will develop a breakthrough in depth. The diagram of the second variant of the breakthrough was depicted in a slightly different way: the enemy’s mobile formations were not reserved in the initial period of the operation, but rushed forward and destroy the enemy’s defenses (see materials of the Military Conference, pp. 30-32 and SD).
    As will be seen from what follows, our assumptions about the nature of the initial period of the war were based on the probability of the enemy’s offensive according to the first option, when the enemy’s infantry with artillery, rather than tanks, deals the main blow.
    The scheme for eliminating the enemy’s breakthrough was as follows: the reserves of our defense are concentrated on the flanks of an advancing enemy, which then necessarily flank attacks “under the base of the wedge” to smash the enemy that has broken through. Moreover, not only counterattacks, but counterattacks were only thought of as flanking in relation to the enemy - “A defense combined with offensive actions or with the subsequent transition to the offensive, especially in the flank of a weakened enemy, can lead to its complete defeat” (Art. .222, PU - 36).
    This way, when all the defense forces are concentrated against the edge of the wedge of the advancing enemy1 (1 Kursk version of the defense of 1943) with the task of initially firing from the positions (that is, from the place) at any cost to delay the advance of the erupted enemy, it was considered unprofitable and passive. ” (p.39)
    As you can see, according to the views of our strategists in the General Staff of the 1939-1941 model, putting your powerful forces against the main enemy forces is not courage and daring! It is “not profitable” and “passive”, not in a hussarish way, more precisely - not in a “Chapaevsky” way ... It’s much more beautiful to put your main forces on the flanks of possible enemy attacks and beat there! And all this was superimposed on the strange conviction of our generals that the Germans, who before that, in the same Poland or France, immediately threw their tank units into battle, having attacked the USSR, would first throw infantry into battle. And the tanks will enter not earlier than in a few days! Therefore, it is quite possible to leave your less powerful forces against the enemy’s main forces, which will be able to completely restrain the infantry, and strike at other places with tank mechanized corps! Where the enemy has “non-core” forces. And in those days, while the Germans were infantry and artillery stuck in our defense - we can famously hit them from the flanks, throwing our tanks into battle! And, it seems, not our strategists tried to convince themselves of this, but Stalin ?!
    And at the same time, the Germans, it turns out, they will give us time either to mobilize or to retaliate - even after attacking us:
    “A characteristic feature of the cover plans was that they proceeded from such an option of the outbreak of war and a situation where the enemy does not prevent the Soviet troops from mobilizing, deploying and making ready for military operations. In accordance with this premise, the KOVO and OdVO troops were divided into two echelons: the first echelon - the troops located near the border and making up the echelon of cover, and the second echelon - the troops located in depth. " (p. 33)

    Let me remind you. Tukhachevsky preached preventive strikes - the so-called “Invasion armies” attacking FIRST in preparing to attack the enemy, we must cover our mobilization of our army! Moreover, these armies should not have been mobilized in principle! And on the same KSH in January 41, already the Meretskov-Zhukovs, the "cover" of their mobilization was carried out by immediate RESPONSE counterattacks ...
    ................................
    1. +15
      16 July 2018 13: 47
      Quote: V.S.
      The scheme for eliminating the enemy’s breakthrough was as follows: the reserves of our defense are concentrated on the flanks of an advancing enemy, which then necessarily flank attacks “under the base of the wedge” to smash the enemy that has broken through.

      Exactly what Zhukov tried to conduct in KOVO. And if he had stayed in the district for a couple more days, then there would have been no throwing of 8 MK, there would have been no arbitrariness of Kirponos and Muzychenko, and 1 TGr would probably have had to sit a week in the boiler.
      By the way, Pavlov in ZOV also tried to crank up something similar. But reconnaissance provided incorrect data on the direction of German tank attacks - and 6 MK instead of cutting the base of the wedge hit the anti-tank guards of the German infantry in a big way.
      Quote: V.S.
      And all this was superimposed on the strange conviction of our generals that the Germans, who before that, in the same Poland or France, immediately threw their tank units into battle, having attacked the USSR, would first throw infantry into battle. And the tanks will enter not earlier than in a few days!

      Duc ... according to our then views, tanks should be brought into a clean breakthrough - otherwise the mechanics would waste their power in vain, breaking through the enemy’s defense, suffer losses and fail to fully operate in the depths of the enemy’s defense.
      1. VS
        -1
        17 July 2018 06: 42
        The whole problem is that there was a problem of concepts - instead of CONTROL on wedges in OWN territory and you can’t get them before these wedges fully appear - the General Staff decided to turn ON OFFENSE off - to the enemy’s territory right away ..
  4. VS
    -1
    16 July 2018 07: 17
    "" It’s strange somehow: the military from the department of SDGs of the General Staff do not rush into the production of DOT-4 units and not only do not increase the volume of their production, but do not even plan it for 1941. ""

    - yes, because our strategists dreamed of GOING)) GOING and not sitting on the defensive))) And it’s better and more proactive)))
    Stalin showed the fools - get ready for defense and those - DREAMED TO GO))
    1. +17
      16 July 2018 13: 50
      Quote: V.S.
      - yes, because our strategists dreamed of GOING)) TO GO and not sit on the defensive

      Yeah ... and so they continued the hasty construction of the DOS, without ordering weapons for them. smile
      And also the engineer of the Red Army in early 1941 began designing and planning on the ground another line of the UR - Rzhevsko-Vyazemskaya. With the deadline for the delivery of the first stage in 1942. Well, how did our strategists want to advance, that even before the war they decided to cover the near approaches to Moscow?
      1. VS
        -2
        17 July 2018 06: 44
        In GS, you THIS time was taxiing by the GKZh and Shaposhnikov - more intelligent was taxiing in these URs .. But - everyone eventually pulled the blanket over himself))) And - Well, in the end, he was engaged in arbitrariness ((((
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  5. VS
    -4
    16 July 2018 07: 22
    "" The military, who are beginning to be a force outside the party, are convinced that war is inevitable, but they crave its postponement at least until winter ... ”Our military“ crave postponement of the war at least until winter ”, and not“ at least ”- this until the spring of 1942? If you look at the construction of long-term structures, it seems that the leadership of the spacecraft did not want to wait for the war in June 1941. ""

    - Madame does not understand what she leads ??

    Is it really not clear what she wrote herself * ??))
    "" The military, are convinced that war is inevitable, but they long for a postponement of it at least until winter ""

    To crave DELAYS - DOES NOT MEAN that the summer wars are not expected)))

    Madame - stop adjusting the facts and distorting other people's texts - under YOUR ravings that the military attack and even more so Stalin waited for the summer of 41st)))
    1. +19
      16 July 2018 13: 55
      Quote: V.S.
      Madame - stop adjusting the facts and distorting other people's texts - under YOUR ravings that the military attack and even more so Stalin waited for the summer of 41st)))

      Here we must clearly distinguish - when ours began to wait for a strike in 1941. And this is the month of June (although the first fears began already in May - but then they were waiting for a "threatened period"). When it’s already too late to carry out mobilization.
      And before that, ours had been waiting for the German strike so much that they planned the first exercises of the fully equipped mechanized corps (to check the compliance of the OSh with reality) in the offensive, defense and on the march as early as September 1941. In parallel, they launched a program for retraining air force pilots and re-equipping air regiments with new equipment - with the end at the end of 1942. Mass repairs and modernization of airfields began - with the same timing. And the reform of the rear of the Air Force - with the completion in August 1941. They discontinued the production of 45-mm and 76-mm guns - due to overfilling of the stockpile and unsatisfactory performance characteristics - and began re-equipping the PTA with new guns (57-mm and 107-mm). They completely scored to bring the T-34 and KV in accordance with the technical requirements and the requirements of the military - in anticipation of their replacement with new tanks.
      In short, the summer of 1941 the Red Army met in a dismantled state.
      1. VS
        -2
        17 July 2018 06: 49
        All sorts of exercises plan the lines when - for the summer training period - in February))) And the threatened period - in May - there is no reason to cancel them)))

        When do you think a decision was made and in this connection - about the beginning of the withdrawal of armies from Transbaikalia, etc. ??))
        1. +6
          18 July 2018 04: 02
          Dunno, false historian Kozinkin, come on, liar
          In part 14 there is a link where the scribbler, the liar Kozinkin, does not know where the army was from Transbaikalia.
          Give the document to the liar and I will apologize.
          Hands to tear off the scribbler
          Correctly said Chekunov-Kozinkin always lies
          1. VS
            -1
            18 July 2018 07: 22
            if you distort my surname, you can call it your own - so that there is equal communication?))) And so - the screams of anonymous psychos are uninteresting to me))) there are enough cutters for jokes in different forums)))
  6. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 27
    "" Again, we see the private initiative of one of the leaders of the LVO - NSh district, acting without instructions from the leadership of the spacecraft ... ""

    Madame on the memoirs of the times of Khrushchev and Zhukov it turns out to be looking for the truth)))))

    Madame - can you start the pre-war directives to study the railroad links of the divisions themselves ??)) Or will you endure the brain with sly memoirs to the reader ??)))
    In KOVO - BORDER divisions in the Ura began to withdraw from June 12 !! But there they were waiting - on the WESTERN border - the war with Germany))
    And in LenVO - this is the border with Finland))
    1. +7
      18 July 2018 04: 06
      Give quotes to the liar Kozinkin and see what you read there.
      You pull words out of the text and in a blunt head they add up to what is not in the documents. They said read it by word of mouth, maybe it’s smart then you’ll look like it. How can such nonsense be read? I think at least someone will read the comments and leave the liar’s audience
  7. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 30
    "" Note by the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR and the chief of the General Staff of the KA ... 15.5.41: "At the same time, it is necessary to force the construction and armament of the SD in every way, start the construction of the SD in 1942 on the border with Hungary, and also continue the construction of the SD through the old state border ..." Strange, yes ? And we are "taldychat" that the war by the leadership of the spacecraft was expected in the month of June, and the document says the construction of the SD in 1942 ... ""

    - Madame - SO ALWAYS in the army they do - war is war and lunch is at the ORDER)))

    THESE WORKS ARE PLANNED BEFORE the spring of the 41st and NO ONE WILL CANCEL THEM until the very last moment)))

    YOU before getting clever on the occasion of the army - for a start, you would sort things out)))
  8. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 33
    "" The initiative to make such a decision always comes from the interested organization, which is an NGO. The decree comes out 5,5 days before the start of the war. Instead of preparing the troops of the border military forces for the expected German attack, sky-high deadlines and volumes of production of the armaments and equipment that cannot be used at the outbreak of the war are exhibited. Weapons transportation is added for URs from the Far East, which also require a long time. ""

    - and what???)))

    Madame - ask Chekunov - WHAT EXCEPT deer. about full bg for ALL troops. Air Force, Air Defense and Fleets - went to the General Staff in the SAME NIGHT June 22 - OTHER encryption ??))))
    1. +4
      18 July 2018 04: 07
      Add a conviction, if so, then did not wait for a war. You, that in childhood you often dropped your head?
      1. VS
        -4
        18 July 2018 07: 23
        Well, kaneshn did not wait)) calm down already)))
  9. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 39
    "" On the eve of the war in Pribovo, on the orders of the General Staff, the formation of bullets for the URs begins. They pull out people (including commanders, who are large in the shortage of troops) and resources from formations and associations to form units that, in any case, do not have time to fully equip until June 22. And most importantly, for these parts there are no equipped fortifications. Of course, they can occupy the constructed concrete boxes, but for them there is no armament. From the word - completely ... The picture examined about the situation in the UR is possible only in one case - when the leadership of the spacecraft does not expect the outbreak of a full-scale war on June 22. Provocations may be expected ... ""

    yeah - that is, if the attack is waiting for the bullets and do not need to form at all ??)))
    But Madame is aware of how the General Staff stuck at the end of May Klenova for the fact that he did not submit an APPLICATION on time to the ascribed - to the "fees" - from the MBO ??)))

    MADAM - finally start to study what orders and directives went from the General Staff to the districts in May June))))
    Do not remember him and convenient “summaries”, we need to study the events, but according to the ORDERS and GS directives in May June)) Yes, according to the events of these pre-war days, and then you will be happy - you will see who was waiting there and thinking really!)))
  10. VS
    -4
    16 July 2018 07: 42
    "" there were regiments and divisions of heavy tanks. "

    - Mme. - UNDERSTAND for starters = WHICH TANKS IN THIS YEAR were considered "HEAVY" ??)))

    Let me tell you - this is NOT TIGERS with their 88 mm guns and weighing 55 tons, and not ISA with their 122 guns and 45 tons)))
  11. VS
    -4
    16 July 2018 07: 45
    "" Soviet intelligence regularly reported the presence of heavy tanks in German tank forces. In fact, in the German armored forces, T-IV tanks armed with a 75 mm cannon were considered heavy tanks. "

    SO WHAT TANKS did the Germans in the Soviet Socialist Republic consider HEAVY heavy ??)))

    What characteristics did reconnaissance for the "heavy" German tanks give ??)))
    1. +21
      16 July 2018 13: 21
      Quote: V.S.
      SO WHAT TANKS did the Germans in the Soviet Socialist Republic consider HEAVY heavy ??)))
      What characteristics did reconnaissance for the "heavy" German tanks give ??)))

      She gave good performance characteristics. And OSh too. smile
      If you open the "Report of the Chief of the GABTU KA on the organization, armament and means of combat of the BT and MV KA and foreign armies" of June 1941, it turns out that:
      The heavy tank division of the German army consists of the 1st infantry regiment (2 regiments), the 1st infantry regiment (2 regiments) and the 1st artillery regiment. Weapons - 160 heavy, 200 medium and 24 light tanks (by the way, in ordinary German etc. our intelligence counted as many as 580 tanks - 170 medium and 400 light).
      German heavy tanks according to our intelligence are TV, T-VI, T-VII. They are produced at factories in Czechoslovakia and France. And they have the following characteristics:
      TV: 32-36 t, 75 mm cannon, armor 30-60 mm.
      T-VI: 45 t, 105 mm or 75 mm gun, 47 mm or 20 mm gun, armor 40-75 mm.
      T-VII: 90 tons, two 47 mm or 20 mm guns, armor 50-90 mm.

      And this is not the fantasies of the alternativeists, but an official document of June 1941, based on intelligence data, signed by the head of the State Academic Technical University, Lieutenant General of Tank Troops Fedorenko. belay

      As for the Quartet, its “heaviness” was only in the reports of our intelligence. Not the Germans considered this tank to be "heavy", but our intelligence reported that the Germans thought so. smile And the Germans “four” was mittere - average.
      1. +11
        17 July 2018 04: 57
        Alexey, readers are very intelligible for us
        For scribblers will not reach
        Did not find a report. Help with a link or better place excerpts
        The topic of cords would be supplemented.
      2. VS
        -2
        17 July 2018 06: 55
        T.4 - and it was - a heavy tank and the severity was determined in TE of the year not by armor but by a gun - caliber ...

        When on the T-34 instead of 45 mm 76 they put it, some were surprised - and the horseradish of a medium tank with a heavy gun ???))

        In the Fedorenko Report, those tanks - as TAKE into service or - are still not very appreciated - but as developed so far only ??)))

        Again - what is the easiest way to ruin your industry? just - give bullshit to Mobplan - what Pavlov said during the investigation, give bullshit on the artillery and tanks of the enemy and waders so everyone will ruffle that you will understand them for YEARS)))
  12. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 48
    "" The thickness of the armor of these tanks, according to the military, could be at the caliber of their guns or be a little more. "

    - WHERE DO YOU TAKE THIS - that in the Soviet Socialist Republic the soldiers were waiting for the Germans tanks with guns OVER 75 mm and armor under 100 mm for the summer of 41 ??)))) Please revelations to THIS account - with reference to the SOURCE of this revelation - DOCUMENT in Madame Studio or - you are a liar and a forger)))
    1. +18
      16 July 2018 14: 04
      Quote: V.S.
      - WHERE DO YOU TAKE IT - that in the Soviet Socialist Republic the military were waiting for the Germans tanks with guns OVER 75 mm and armor under 100 mm - for the summer of the 41st ??

      "Report of the Chief of the GABTU KA on the organization, armament and means of combat of the BT and MV KA and foreign armies"dated June 1941. The required data are on page 9.
      Moreover, these are not experimental vehicles, but tanks that are in service with the heavy tank divisions of the German army, the data for which are given on pages 2-4 of this report.
      This is the reality of intelligence depicted by our military-political leadership. sad
      1. VS
        -4
        17 July 2018 06: 57
        Another question - but how much did this guide believe the word in SUCH data ??) Maybe it wrote obscene resolutions in response ??

        See the decisions made by Stalin in those days)) And who was there who "thought" and what and who "believed" - neh madam, the author exercises)))
  13. VS
    -4
    16 July 2018 07: 51
    "" According to the military-political leadership of the country, our heavy tanks look weaker than similar enemy vehicles. ""

    - LET'S DOCUMENT - WHO WAS WAITING FOR MUCH STUFFER BASES OR SIMILAR KV ?? ()))
    Cho you all come up with all sorts of nonsense)))
  14. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 54
    "" 3. Heavy tanks. According to information requiring additional verification, the Germans begin to build three new models of heavy tanks.
    Type V. Weight 36 tons, 75 mm cannon and 2 machine guns, armor up to 60 mm.
    Type VI. Weight 45 tons, 75 mm gun, 20 mm gun and 3 machine guns, armor up to 70 mm.
    Type VII. Weight 90 tons, 105 mm gun, 2 - 20 mm guns and 4 machine guns [armor thickness unknown]. ""

    - Madame - WHERE HERE = that these tanks are ADOPTED ... that this is CONFIRMED data ??)))
  15. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 07: 56
    "" Work on the creation of this equipment does not stop before the start of the war and will continue after its start. Work will stop only when it becomes completely clear that the Germans do not have mythical heavy tanks. ""

    - Yes, NOT THEREFORE, work on new - NEW - promising tanks stopped)))

    MADAM - TANKS do not fight tanks))) For the fight against tanks, TANKS are not needed but PTO GUNS)))
  16. VS
    -2
    16 July 2018 08: 00
    "" why did not you think to increase the production of KV-2 tanks? This is probably one of the reasons for the tank’s overweight, even without additional shielding. Shooting with a semi-armor-piercing shell from a 152 mm gun of the KV-2 tank was practiced at the beginning of World War II due to the lack of howitzer armor-piercing ammunition. The penetration of this projectile was about 72 mm steel from a distance of 1500 meters at an angle of 60 degrees. Direct hits of regular high-explosive fragmentation grenades or concrete-piercing shells into any enemy armored object of that time probably could have been fatal for him in almost all cases ... But this is purely theoretical. The design and thickness of the armor of the German heavy tanks was unknown, and the shells for the 152-mm cannon are very expensive ""

    - Madame - DETERMINE for a start - WHY in general a KV-2 type tank was created with its 152 mm GAUGE gun - having a direct shot less than the PTO gun - FOR WHAT purposes and to fight WHAT and WHOM it was created ??))

    Tell me, in his b. konoplekt were concrete shells)))
    1. +18
      16 July 2018 13: 06
      Quote: V.S.
      Tell me, in his b. konoplekt were concrete shells)))

      No need to tell - in BC KV-2 there were only OFS. smile All other types of shells were contingent and were used at your own risk.
      In general, the KV-2 was a typical artillery tank of those times, whose task was to directly support the line tanks in the offensive (destruction of anti-tank vehicles and field DOS of the enemy), as well as firing from PDOs on targets such as "battery" or "infantry accumulation". In theory. In practice, the limitation of the M-10T air-guns of 18 degrees and the lack of regular artillery firearm equipment with PDO in the heavy tank battalion (topographic location, calculation of data for firing, and adjustment) made the second task practically impossible (unless the battery of the towed M-10 is nearby - by the way , in the BC of the 152-mm howitzer mechanized shells included the same shots with a weakened charge, like the M-10T).
      1. VS
        -2
        17 July 2018 06: 59
        That is, for the fight against TANKAM, the KV-2 was not composed in principle))) It is for the Finnish and, according to the results of the Finnish, it was invented - it is a monster))))
  17. VS
    -4
    16 July 2018 08: 03
    "" Develop and manufacture by 1.5.41 two prototypes of the KV 1 and KV 2 tanks with an additional armor shield of 25-30 mm armor plate thickness. Consider the possibility of creating gaps between the main armor of the tank and the hinged screen; ""

    madam - figure it out WHY ATTENTS put "shielding" on TANKS - from what types of shells you need "screens" ")) I'll tell you - the key word -" gaps "- between the armor and the screen))))))

    And now, figure it out - WHAT shells for the war with the USSR already had the Germans armed with anti-tank missiles ???)))
    Let me tell you that in the Soviet Socialist Republic there are HEAVY KV tanks, the Germans knew very well)))
    1. +15
      16 July 2018 10: 59
      Poor writer Kozinkin Oleg Yuryevich ... Please note that he has been writing about the war for eight years and does not know that there is no need for a gap, about a sufficiently large distance between the screen and the main armor of the tank. One word, warehouse official))) Look at the pictures of the German tank t-4 with the screen against the cumulative projectile - there are more than 200 mm. According to experts - the optimal distance 300 mm. And here he has a bad guy ... One word, a warehouse writer .... And is it worth buying such works)))))
      And most importantly, he does not know that our military and industrialists did not know about such 22 June shells ... And he writes everything, writes his fantations about 22 June ...
      1. VS
        -3
        16 July 2018 11: 55
        madam - unlike you, I studied at the art school and HOW did the cumulative shells of which I KNOW in the NPO and the General Staff before the war - they pierce the armor - I know better than yours)) WE were taught THIS - who knew what and what years))
        This is YOU wrote about the "gap" and I showed you this - the gap on the HF between the additional armor and the main one was needed to counteract the cumulative and the caliber shells))) Koi in the Wehrmacht was already in the spring of the 41st)))

        At least you in VIKI look - when and who cumulative shells invented))))

        So what about YOUR name Madame - are you going to pretend to be an anonymous damsel or you will open your face at last - doing falsification of history ???
        1. +18
          16 July 2018 12: 56
          Quote: V.S.
          This is YOU wrote about the "gap" and I showed you this - the gap on the HF between the additional armor and the main one was needed to counteract the cumulative and the caliber shells))) Koi in the Wehrmacht was already in the spring of the 41st)))

          Not only. The diversity booking also works great against conventional chamber armor-piercing shells. Remember the trials of the trophy shielded "three rubles" in 1943.
          Even before the shooting, the NKBP specialists warned:
          ... the front sheet of high hardness armor with a thickness of about 20 mm is installed with a significant gap relative to the main armor with a thickness of 52 mm ... Thus, the front sheet will act as a “cocking armor”, from the impact of which the head of the armor-piercing projectile will partially collapse and the bottom fuse will be cocked that the detonation can take place even before the main armor of the turret box penetrates ... Thus, with the total thickness of the front armor of the turret box of the T-3 tank 70–75 mm, this two-layer barrier can be impermeable to most armor-piercing chamber munitions equipped with an MD- fuse 2

          The results of the shooting completely confirmed the theory:
          ... of the three shells fired from the 85K 52-mm anti-aircraft gun, and two from the 122-mm A-19 hull gun, not a single one penetrated the frontal armor of the German Pz.III tank. In this case, either a charge detonation occurred even before the armor of the turret box was pierced, or when a shell hit the main armor after passing through the screen, the shell was destroyed.
          © Baryatinsky
          "Three rubles" did not penetrate the 122-mm armor-piercing shell! And they say FBG, FBG ... smile
          1. VS
            -1
            17 July 2018 07: 02
            unequivocally))) Internal stresses and destroy the projectile behind the armor and he can not penetrate the next one ..
          2. +1
            19 July 2018 20: 59
            KV 76mm I cannon. Not 122, not 85, And Zinoviy Kolobanov near Luga knocked out 22 tanks. Another 23 knocked out 2 other KV of his platoon. On KV Kolobanov after the battle they counted about 150 dents from German shells. How's that?
            1. VS
              -1
              20 July 2018 08: 01
              So the Germans also fired at our KV)))) Even those whom we shot down managed to shoot pisyuns at KV from any of their heels))
  18. VS
    -3
    16 July 2018 08: 14
    ""To be continued… "
    maybe not worth it ??)))

    In our time, to carry nonsense that the attack did not expect that it was unexpected - the height of idiocy already)))
  19. +1
    16 July 2018 08: 16
    the hardest case -BC-- everything is not right, "Madame" wrote. "
    who Peshkova and others drove without cover in Syria?
    There are no military colonels? - only Shoigu is to blame.
    SO AND FROM 22.06.41 --TOKO IVS and GKZH are guilty.
    1. VS
      -3
      16 July 2018 11: 59
      Madame SPEAKS taken out of context or torn out altogether - facts and quotes to prove what she WANTS - NO ONE ATTACK in the NPO and the General Staff or the Kremlin did not wait and did not prepare for it)))

      The June 22 tragedy was not to blame for the tragedy, but it was the military ... whom our madame zealously rejects)) It turns out that despite the tyrant they did something in the prewar days - like according to the security forces, the troops at the border in the Urals sent yes to the main defense zone - but to blame - STALIN only))))
  20. +3
    16 July 2018 12: 03
    About half of the long-term structures were supposed to be armed with artillery: DOT-2 and DOT-4 casemate installations.

    A lot of unidentified firing systems, and DOT-4, and L-17, and NPS-3 went to the enemy in unfinished OS. Including the Finns. The Finns, as very avid for trophies, installed them in their bunkers.
    1. +3
      18 July 2018 10: 07
      "... Finns, as very avid for trophies ..." Duc, it was the Soviet army at 45, which was passionate for trophies that broke all records ...
  21. +8
    16 July 2018 12: 41
    Strangely, somehow: the military from the department of the URS GSH are not in a hurry with the production of DOT-4 installations and not only do not increase their production, but do not even plan it for the 1941 year.
    The DOT-2 installations have been ordered ridiculously few and they are also missing from the plans for 1941.

    The abandonment of the procurement planning of DOT-2 and DOT-4 for 1941 may be associated with the well-known problems of 45-mm and 76-mm guns: the “forty” on the tests of 1940 showed insufficient armor penetration, and Kirov L-11 (which was set in casemates) in the same year she lost to the Grabinsky F-34 as a tank gun.
    1. +2
      16 July 2018 15: 13
      Quote: Alexey RA
      The abandonment of the procurement planning of the DOT-2 and DOT-4 for the 1941 year may be due to the known problems of the 45-mm and 76-mm guns

      It is possible that this also played a role, but most likely the problem is connected with the residual principle. First of all, artillery and tanks, but in the UR, what remains.
      1. +5
        16 July 2018 15: 38
        Quote: igordok
        It is possible that this also played a role, but most likely the problem is connected with the residual principle. First of all, artillery and tanks, but in the UR, what remains.

        Maybe the thing is that at the same time, the transfer to the UD of old slow-moving tanks from which they made tower OTs began. Moreover, judging by the photo, the transmitted T-18s were rearmament to the 45-K 20-mm tank guns, and the T-24s to the 76-mm L-10.
        1. +3
          16 July 2018 16: 01
          In its own way, this is also a residual principle. God, it’s not good for you. In UR, even towers from the MS-1 (even with 45mm) were installed, or tried to be installed, but did not have time.
  22. +13
    16 July 2018 20: 53
    The erroneous opinions of the top military commanders of the Red Army - this is particular. The main thing is the presence of the political attitude of the highest political leadership of the USSR that the war in 1941 will not begin. This installation was also packaged in various pseudoscientific shells by Soviet military theorists, both with higher education and with central vocational schools. Otherwise, you will go under the article "enemy of the people."

    In addition to the forced miscalculation in predicting the timing and nature of WWII, Soviet theorists, by their own nearness, had messed with the organizational structure of the formations and units of the ground and air forces, forming a multiple bias in favor of the actual combat units at the expense of the rear units. As a result, after the first battle, Soviet tanks and planes, without ammunition, fuel and spare parts, were thrown in droves by crews.

    Only in the second half of the war did the number of military personnel in the rear units of the tank, aviation and artillery units of the Red Army finally exceed the number of military personnel in combat units in full accordance with the German approach to the staff structure. Plus, saturation of the rear units with appropriate equipment due to a decrease in the production of military equipment (including an order for land-leasing mainly of automotive equipment).
    1. +1
      17 July 2018 05: 26
      The erroneous opinions of the top military commanders of the Red Army - this is particular. The main thing is the presence of the political attitude of the highest political leadership of the USSR that the war in 1941 will not begin. - Operator (Andrey)

      And what is the reason for the defeat then after the outbreak of war: in the fall, winter of 1941, 1942? After all, then there was already no influence of ignorance of the date of the German attack. The war was already in full swing, and our troops, under the "able" leadership of the beetle-tymoshenoks, continued to fall into thousands of boilers?
      And by the way, that the war will begin in 1941 they knew for sure! Nominated the army of the second echelon, starting in April 1941, from the rear districts; made early releases of commanders from military schools and academies; gave orders, before the war, about the formation of fronts, and their withdrawal to field control points, etc.
      They wanted to delay the war — yes, but they were preparing for war in 1941. They even tentatively knew the date of the attack, at the beginning of the summer period, later there simply wasn’t enough summer period for a successful attack - the autumn roadway deprived of roads.
    2. VS
      -3
      17 July 2018 07: 12
      "" The erroneous opinions of the top military commanders of the Red Army - this is particular. The main thing is the presence of the political attitude of the highest political leadership of the USSR that the war in 1941 will not begin. ""

      - And who told you this stupid thing? Have GKZH read something?
      In 1941 they write "PLANS of war" in the form of TWO versions of the Considerations for the readiness thereof thereof by May 1 and type of war did not wait ??
      The main thing is the bad plans of the military themselves that they decided to use the "southern" option in case of war - our main forces in the south - against the UNEASILY enemy forces. And on the basis of this adventure, all other "plans" were built ..

      And all to the tyrant like some d..ry - like the military, contrary to the tyrant, they did something, right up to the conclusion to the URs from June 11th - not funny)))

      I offered this "magazine" articles - showing the CHRONOLOGY of the events of June - for days, but the wise men decided that this is not unique.))
      I’m getting rid of this ANONYMOUS madame - fitting facts and docks under the idea that the attack was not expected in the Soviet Socialist Republic and if something was done then contrary to the tyrant - that only morons today TODAY can argue, when the railroad divisions published in the pre-war days are apparently unique .. bullshit) ) but to show HOW it was in REAL - not unique ...

      You want to know HOW and what was the reason - read the "Bible" on June 22 - "1941 - Lessons and Conclusions." Chipboard ...
      Officers wrote to the General Staff of the General Staff - according to the General Staff’s work plans in case of war and there is NO idiocy that someone did not expect a war for the summer of 41)) I will tell you the history of military academies on June 22, not by delirium and fantasies of anonymous people who teach ..))) Also - read the work of Marshal Zakharov - how and what happened and who was waiting for Cho))) - "The General Staff in the prewar days", It was classified for 20 years by the way))) at one time ...
  23. +3
    17 July 2018 18: 42
    Quote: V.S.
    This is YOU wrote about the "gap"

    read the syllables - the clearance is written in the Decree. To understand the words and reach. or not??
  24. +7
    17 July 2018 18: 44
    Quote: V.S.
    TO counteract cumulative as well as caliber projectiles

    bring the Soviet document until June 22, 1941 that the rummki knew about cumulative shells. It turns out you write books on Wikipedia, and not on documents?
    No, not historical - scammer or science fiction
    1. VS
      -3
      18 July 2018 08: 00
      Understand WHEN such shells began to develop at all))
      1. +10
        20 July 2018 05: 12
        Quote: V.S.
        Understand WHEN such shells began to develop at all))

        Quote: V.S.
        At least you in VIKI look - when and who cumulative shells invented))))


        Again, as I thought, the complete lack of desire to understand the events of the pre-war and times of war. Torn out quotes and a complete lack of inclination to analyze. Pay attention to the users of the site "Military Review". We can state an amateur and a liar after his eight-year work on collecting materials !!!

        First of all, I will join the opinion of the user RuSFr - on 22 June, no one in the USSR knew about subsurface and cumulative shells in principle. And the liar Kozinkin will never PRESENT ONE DOCUMENT challenging it !!! But he will jump over to any other detail in order to inflate his cheeks - like he knows something that we don’t know))) That's what every liar does when they are pressed into a corner.

        Cumulative shells. In October, 1941, a research institute led by A.P. Zakorschikov, engineer MVVasilyev began to study the cumulative effect of an explosion in order to use it in anti-tank ammunition. At the beginning of 1942, together with N.S. Zhitkikh, he designed the first in the USSR 76-mm cumulative projectile, which has a cumulative recess lined with a steel shell.

        Subcaliber PT shells. The creation and use of sub-caliber armor-piercing tracer shells with a heavy core was carried out by a group of engineers headed by I. S. Burmistrov and V. N. Kostantinov. During February-March 1942 of the year, they developed the 45-mm projectile, which was adopted by the decision of the State Defense Committee on April 1 of the year.

        In the future, the group of I.S.Burmistrov developed 76- and 57-mm sub-caliber armor-piercing shells. In April-May, 1942, by the decision of the State Defense Committee, both shells were put into service.

        Thus, the writer Kozinkin O. Yu. once again confirmed his incompetence in describing the events before the war and after it began.
        I would call him a fantasy - well, a man thinks up - what's wrong with that? But when he confidently proves the wrong course of events in several messages, you should think: is he lying in his books? Think dear readers about it.
        1. VS
          -4
          20 July 2018 10: 26
          Madame - well, what’s you getting into military matters and the more so you are studying something on the Wiki))) I told you - I was taught about these shells in the artillery school))

          If there are no brains, so at least listen to others - what do adult uncles tell you)) Read - at least that))
          http://voennoe-obozrenie.ru/main/18-kumulyativnye
          -snaryady.html

          "" The Germans tested the first and rather primitive cumulative shells of Spain as well. Before the war, tests were also conducted in the Soviet Union, but a complete lack of understanding of the process and very slow fuses did not yield positive results. ""))

          KNOWED IN THE SSR what cumulative shells are)) We really did focus on termite shells at one time but the experiments with the cumulative stream themselves were carried out for a long time and the Germans also had ammunition from the same Spain and found out)))

          But of course you can continue to bear the nonsense that the attack was not expected and the Kuznetsov SAMI, on a personal initiative, led the troops out of the BCP and brought them in b ... g.)) From June 18)) It’s true that they began to withdraw their border troops from the KOVO from June 12 - in URs and in terms of software)) to the border .. and in OdVO - from June 6 already)))

          Madame - there was already one stupid person named Osokin - he wrote that Stalin and Hitler decided to attack England and then Hitler deceived Stalin and attacked the USSR and naturally Stalin did not wait for the attack on the Soviet Socialist Republic on June 22))) did you decide to surpass him ??
        2. VS
          -4
          20 July 2018 10: 30
          What is your convenient position Madame - YOU = ANONYMOUSLY hide behind the clique and urge my books not to be read although you yourself have NOT read one of mine for sure))) but you are addressing me by name)) At the same time, I cannot tell readers what your verbiage is DO NOT READ YOURSince you do not have books and there is NO NAME either)))
        3. +1
          8 September 2018 19: 58
          The cumulative effect was known almost from the PMV. Take a look at the history of Soviet anti-tank rifles (e.g. Rukavishnikov, if not confusing). The sub-caliber is also almost a school physics. There was no technology for the serial production of shells. And on the border 22.06.41/76/XNUMX. we generally had no armor-piercing shells of XNUMX mm.
  25. +2
    18 July 2018 10: 04
    seditious question: how would it all end if the population (in quantity) of the Third Reich would correspond to the population of the USSR? Here is an example of a war against tiny Chechnya before our eyes ...
    1. +9
      20 July 2018 05: 06
      And the population of the Third Reich was so close to the population of the USSR. Germany also captured vast territories with a population. Only she did not actively assimilate them - this is their short-sighted miscalculation. At the end of June 1941, the population of Germany’s allied states should be added to the population of Germany and the occupied territories. So, in total, before the start of active operations on the land of England and the USA, we were almost equal
  26. -1
    20 July 2018 18: 06
    "The opinion of very narrow-minded people is the result of betrayal. Probably, these people judge by themselves similar ..."
    Betrayal took place from the rank-and-file to the Supreme High Command !! Moreover, both at the beginning and at the end of the war. And how many cases when they just sent soldiers to slaughter? Do not count! Is this not a betrayal? But then what is betrayal ?? Ahhhh !! I understand, you decided to justify the traitors! How much do they pay today for the whitening of traitors?
  27. +2
    20 July 2018 21: 22
    Nothing that the Germans in Poland, but the country is strong.
    In a month, and no more war will end.
    Rio - Rita, Rio - Rita turns foxtrot,
    On the dance floor - 41-1,
    On the dance floor - the 41st year .......

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    1. +1
      21 July 2018 05: 45
      Provincial town, the summer heat.
      On the dance floor - music in the morning.
      Rio - Rita, Rio - Rita turns foxtrot,
      On the dance floor - 41 year,
      On the dance floor - 41-th year.

      Nothing that the Germans in Poland, but the country is strong.
      In a month, and no more war will end.
      Rio - Rita, Rio - Rita turns foxtrot,
      On the dance floor - 41-1,
      On the dance floor - 41-th year.
      1. VS
        -4
        21 July 2018 06: 18
        because the attack did not wait !!!! tells everyone anonymous d .... madam ...
  28. +1
    8 September 2018 17: 04
    The armor penetration values ​​of our anti-tank guns were obtained on our armor (and on our testing grounds! For reports to the management!). The actual numbers of "penetrated thicknesses" are most likely 3-5-7-10% lower. They were not suitable for the German "cemented" tank armor, it was in real life 20-30% more resistant than ours. The Germans gave their troops lighter, more maneuverable and effective anti-tank artillery with an effective range of each caliber, 20-30% superior to ours, which was actually effective only at ranges of effective fire from German small arms of 7,92 mm caliber. Our artillery crews were amazed by their machine guns.
  29. +1
    12 October 2018 23: 49
    Direct INTENTIONAL crime from the Air Force directives, very good. correctly indicated by the author: "All directives have the same words:" Until the 15th day of mobilization, it is allowed to use: ... fighters - 15 sorties; short-range bombers - 10 sorties; long-range bombers - 7 sorties; reconnaissance aircraft - 10 sorties ... " flight of a fighter per day, and the rest of the aircraft should fly even less often. Again we see the expected sluggish hostilities in the first days of the war. This vision of the leadership of the spacecraft, the General Staff and the leaders of the Military District had to agree with him. " The crime is obvious, it is not a mistake or stupidity. Restricting Air Force reconnaissance is obvious treason! 10 sorties in the first 15 days of the war - despite the fact that reconnaissance aircraft were at the disposal of the armies of the first line throughout the state - this blatant limitation had to be judged for one! Immediately after signing such "directives" ...
  30. +1
    11 January 2019 08: 45
    The materials indicate the subordination of individual tank battalions in the composition of some German motorized divisions. Probably, our reconnaissance for the part of the individual tank battalions accepted the regiments of captured French tanks. In intelligence reports it was said twice about unloading (sending) French tanks on (to) the territory near the Soviet-German border.

    According to some Western historians in 1941, the four tank regiments assigned to the Leibstandard Adolf Hitler motorized SS brigade, the dead head, Reich and Viking motorized divisions numbered 399 trophy French light tanks H35 and H39, and also 190 medium tanks S35.

    As Guderian said “... The material part of the newly formed divisions on the orders of Hitler consisted mainly of French cars. This material part in no way met the requirements of the war in Eastern Europe. Insufficient production of machines in Germany, which did not satisfy the rapidly growing needs, unfortunately, did not allow us to cover this deficit. ... ”Probably, the Wehrmacht got rid of these tanks, which due to the lack of armored vehicles, got SS divisions and were quickly lost.

    Trophies in the form of two or three Pz.35S739 (f) tanks were also installed on German armored trains No. 26-31. In the first battles took part in the 102 separate battalion and heavy tanks Pz.Kpfw.B2740 (f) (B1bis). In Finland, as part of the 211 separate battalion, there were also according to various data from 44 to 59 tanks Pz.35 / 38H734 (f) and Pz.35S739 (f).