American media: The incredible Russian "Dagger" hits hundreds of kilometers

American television channel CNBC publishes material in which, as stated, refers to US intelligence. The material relates to the successful development and combat use of the hypersonic Dagger missile system. It is noted that the Russian "Dagger" has passed at least 12 tests using MiG-31 fighter-interceptors as carriers.

From the material:

The Russians are working on adapting the rocket to their bombers. In July, they conducted successful tests, hitting the target at a distance of more than 800 km (translation of data presented in miles - approx. "IN").

The American TV channel informs its viewers that Russia will finally put the Dagger missile hypersonic complex into service in 2020. In the same, 2020, arming the RF Armed Forces, according to CNBC, a new generation avant-garde hypersonic complex will be delivered.

Recall that previously reported work on the adaptation of Dagger missiles for use on long-range Tu-22М3 bombers.

For the first time, a wide audience learned about the presence of such weapons from Russia during the message of President Vladimir Putin to the Federal Assembly. Then abroad (and not only) some circles questioned the veracity of the statements of the Russian president about the presence in Russia of such means of destruction. Now doubts disappear.

Comments

[Fungus]

Well, do not beat him for tens of kilometers. The greater the range, the better.

[Tatar 174]

Tremble once realized !!! It’s better to be friends with us, otherwise the dagger is on your side))) This is on the one hand, and on the other, they now have an incentive to develop in order to do something similar for themselves.

[kuz363]

Don’t worry, they also have something like that. Only you do not know about it.

[ser65]

Do you know and are silent?

[For example]

Quote: ser65

Don’t worry, they also have something like that.

Mask twisted a rose pushing through his rockets with the returning stage.
Russian engineers are not rushing and without pathos created a missile system with a return first stage. MIG31 is the returning first stage of this complex. In this case, the spaceport is not needed. Enough runway.
And we will watch cartoons about DAPRA and films about the Moon from Hollywood. Beautiful

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: kuz363

Don’t worry, they also have something like that. Only you do not know about it.

And what to worry about, in our doctrine the attack is not spelled out. So for them the problem is that the hyper response will fly in and keep you from stupidity.

[dorz]

Quote: Tartar 174

Tremble once realized !!! It’s better to be friends with us, otherwise the dagger is on your side))) This is on the one hand, and on the other, they now have an incentive to develop in order to do something similar for themselves.

Underestimating the enemy can lead to sad consequences. In the video, the American hypersonic spacecraft DAPRA with a payload of 1360 kg. which will be presented in 2020.

[slipped]

in the picture is a variant of the appearance of our reusable space system, the demonstrator of which will be created by 2023.

[aszzz888]

kuz363 (Vladimir) Today, 06: 34 ↑ New
Do not worry, like they also have. Only you do not know about it.

... I'm sorry to interfere, but is it possible in more detail about the "similar"?

[demo]

There will be no answer.
The information is classified.

[rotmistr60]

What answer can there be from him? He croaked and disappeared from the site for a while. According to the comments of some users under the Kazakh flag that have appeared recently, the idea suggests itself that they write it on their own, hiding behind someone else's flag.

[aszzz888]

rotmistr60 (Gennady) Today, 07: 25 ... the thought suggests itself that it is written independent hiding behind someone else's flag.

... a very high probability, I have noticed more than once ...

[For example]

Medium-range missiles have become irrelevant. Mattresses withdrew from the ABM Treaty and received a dagger in the anus.
This is a lesson ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: For example

Medium-range missiles have become irrelevant.

Oh oh For Europe they oh how relevant. The Amy understand this very well, which is why they are rolling tantrums about our Frontiers and K *.

[Random]

Quote: For example

Medium-range missiles have become irrelevant

Yah... , and what will be in return ...... throw grenades from the trenches

Quote: For example

Mattresses withdrew from the ABM Treaty and received a dagger in the anus.

So what? ... Count the number of "Ax" and other newfangled "stuff" and compare ....
Here you will then ... "lesson"

[venik]

Quote: rotmistr60

According to the comments of some users under the Kazakh flag

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Alas!!! Not only Kazakh - some "compatriots" and I recognize the Russian flag !!! (as in the song - "I recognize my dear by gait" ....)

[avt]

Quote: kuz363

Don’t worry, they also have something like that. Only you do not know about it.

Quote: aszzz888

... I'm sorry to interfere, but is it possible in more detail about the "similar"?

Do you need it? Well in light of the fact that

Quote: demo

There will be no answer.
The information is classified.

They, well, the carriers of this secret knowledge, pass it on to each other rectally!

[Volodya Nigmetov]

if it were then truman Stalin would have already hinted ha ha

[Paul 1]

https://topwar.ru/141699-aeroballisticheskaya-rak
eta-douglas-ws-138a-gam-87-skybolt-ssha.html
Well, their similar rocket. Her characteristics are very similar. a little bit worse according to official figures. but this development of the 50-60s of the last century is not surprising that it is slightly inferior in published characteristics. Now I’m thinking of making the opportunity for something more fun and progressive, they obviously have not disappeared.
If we consider that their launcher is not the Mig-31 super-duper but the B-52 subsonic, then the characteristics are probably worse due to less favorable starting conditions

[Piramidon]

Quote: kuz363

Don’t worry, they also have something like that. Only you do not know about it.

But Kazakh intelligence and you, as its representative, know?

[SETTGF]

kuz363! And what do they also have? What is controlled throughout the flight, including the plasma flow ?! And even more so is in service? Apparently they don’t have this and more!

[ARES623]

Quote: kuz363

Don’t worry, they also have something like that. Only you do not know about it.

Well, let. After all, it’s not us, but the United States that needs landing operations in the event of a conflict. They also suffer at sea from these weapons. They are right nervous. In our hands, this weapon will allow us to effectively resist the American carrier strike groups, the main force of their pressure.

[serge66]

Well, yes, a dreamer.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: LSA57

Do you want a dagger in the ass?

I'm not a suicide to myself I'm trying to explain it to them. Yes, I almost forgot))) Good morning

[LSA57]

Quote: Tatar 174

Good morning

Good
We will soon have what will happen
"The show dedicated to the 100th anniversary of the Lipetsk military aviation and the 65th anniversary of the Lipetsk State Order of Lenin of the Red Banner Center for the Training of Aviation Personnel and Military Tests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation named after V.P. Chkalov will be held on Saturday on the embankment of the Voronezh River. the participation of the famous aerobatic teams of the Russian Aerospace Forces: Falcons of Russia, Russian Knights, Swifts, Rus, Helicopter Group Golden Eagles.

During the flight program, which starts at noon, aerobatic teams “Falcons of Russia” on the Su-35, “Russian Knights” on the Su-30SM and “Swifts” on the MiG-29 will demonstrate the maneuverability of modern fighters. As part of groups of six, four and two combat vehicles, pilots will show such figures as Nesterov’s loop, barrel, half-loop, turn, combat reversal, dissolution. In a single piloting of the Su-35 and Su-30SM aircraft, viewers will see maneuvering using a controlled thrust vector and such figures as a bell, a loop, a maple leaf, a pillar, the press service of the Lipetsk Aviation Center said.

"Falcons of Russia" will demonstrate a flight to an air battle of a group of Su-35 fighters using defensive and offensive techniques. According to experts, this is the only aerobatic team that shows tactical aerial combat tactics in limited space and low altitude on combat aircraft, which ensures spectacular aerobatics. The maneuverability of the Mi-28 helicopters will be shown by the Berkuty aviation group.

[Tatar 174]

I envy you with white envy, in our Ural outback, planes only fly very high somewhere ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Tartar 174

I envy you with white envy, in our Ural outback, planes only fly very high somewhere ...

we had at Kharchevsky every year. then probably about 15 years

[K-36]

we had at Kharchevsky every year. then probably 15 years old
SW LSA57, something you unsuccessfully spoke out about 15 years. Kharchevsky left the post of Commander for less than 3 years as (in August 2015.
By the way, it’s already noon on July 14, and the “window dressing” has not yet begun.

[LSA57]

Quote: K-36

Kharchevsky left the post of Commander for less than 3 years as (in August 2015.

So what? I'm talking about the fact that 15 years has not happened. More precisely, if you recall when several dozens of people were buried in the SU-27 in Urkain at an air show.
and the air show was a bang !!!!!!

[Charik]

where will it be in Lipetsk?

[LSA57]

Quote: Charik

where will it be in Lipetsk?

right above the river) already passed

[electrooleg]

Quote: Tatar 174

and then a dagger to your side))) This is on the one hand

... and something else, on the other hand)))) and at the same time

[Maz]

The question is, what is the moment to raise faster than tu22m3. And the speed is wild

[Cry]

At hypersound, Kınzhal becomes hot, very hot. Aircraft carrier, like butter, cut through and through. Big-big hole will be.

[LSA57]

Quote: Choro

Aircraft carrier, like butter, cut through and through

Yes, it’s rather like a barbecue ram

[Romario_Argo]

Aircraft Carrier, Big-Big Hole Will

declared range 2000 km, even if you count 800 km., then the range of the air patrol of an aircraft carrier is only 300 km., so it’s clear

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Romario_Argo

if you count 800 km., then the range of the air patrol of an aircraft carrier is only 300 km.,

Sorry for the indiscreet question: what about the air patrol? Work on the carrier or what? And the Dagger was too tough even for Aegis; he does not work on targets at such a speed.

[Random]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And the Dagger was too tough even for Aegis; he does not work on targets at such a speed.

Yes, but here’s how to direct the “Dagger” on an aircraft carrier?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Random

how to bring the "Dagger" on an aircraft carrier?

Infa closed. But most likely there are ARS GSN and probably optical "windows". Usually, in the early photos, “yellow rectangles” were painted over in the bow of the product. And most likely, by analogy with Iskander, for this is the essence of his "short version."
IMHO.

[Random]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Infa closed

This is IMHO, I agree
Everything else has already been written below ... there is a "Face-75" for small anti-ship missiles, but there is a small range for both detection and capture at the ACS.
Wishlist and Wishlist is .... but for now .....

[Zaurbek]

No way. You need an external data center. This topic worked in the USSR, now there are some plans for the creation of a central control system for the Lian system, no longer a radar, infrared system.

[Romario_Argo]

ICRC Liana deployed at 100%. 2 Peony, 2 Lotus

[Random]

Quote: Romario_Argo

ICRC Liana deployed at 100%. 2 Peony, 2 Lotus

Remember what Professor Preobrazhensky said about this
Your "Liana" THEORY) - A key element of "Liana" - network of satellites of the Lotus-S and Pion-NKS families
In fact :
1. 14F138 "Lotos-S" Cosmos-2455 in 2009, partially earned in 2010, consider it lost
2.14F145 "Lotos-S1" Cosmos-2502.
3. “Peony-NKS” 14f139 will be withdrawn (hopefully) at the end of 2018.
that's all ... CURTAIN

[Romario_Argo]

that's all ... CURTAIN

only for some reason they dare with daggers on a third-party control center and do not strain, apparently someone does not take into account the remote sensing satellites, such as they are civilians and they can give out only in theory ....

[Random]

Quote: Romario_Argo

only for some reason they dare with daggers on a third-party control center and do not strain,

Why then at the training ground .. "strain" The 105th it was ... it is. Well, or the 102nd .... "tied" (that is, with known coordinates) ... program. "Take a picture." On
adyva "in the head" and ... forward ... for orders
Everything else .... can be found on this too .... CURTAIN .. until (even amers have the same situation)

[Zaurbek]

Missiles ended in the Russian Federation or will we no longer do the Lotus?

[Romario_Argo]

theoretically, if the United States and the F-14 Tomcat are adopted again, they will be able to move the control zone to 800 km from the aircraft carrier. BUT (!)

Dagger even Aegis too tough

[Zaurbek]

The external control unit is needed not only by the Dagger, but also:
Zircons, Onyxes and old Granites, etc. And there is no panacea for reflection here. F-14 does not need to be adopted, F-35 with AFAR is integrated with both Aegis and AUG and E-2 radars and long-range missiles are being adopted by NATO countries

[Random]

Quote: Romario_Argo

declared range 2000 km, even if you count 800 km., then the range of the air patrol of an aircraft carrier is only 300 km., so it’s clear

Yes ... "great knowledge" And such terms as “transition” and “combat deployment” were heard when someday that there is such a "science" ... "Tactics of air defense of the AUG"?
Or you just have a tick .. "throwing caps"

[Romario_Argo]

this is from the topic of long-distance underwater communication, for example with the PLARK ave. 949A, the Zeus system on the Kola Peninsula.
* although the functionality has already been transferred to the VKS orbital group, including ICRC

[Random]

Quote: Choro

Aircraft carrier, like butter, cut through and through. Big-big hole will be.

Please do not explain to me, "siroma" and "wretched", such a "thing" This is “what kind of Makar” “Dagger” will fall into the aircraft carrier ... unless of course he is not at the bank or at the dock?

[K-50]

If you set up a “Dagger” for fighting planes (for example, with AWACS or tankers that usually fly farther from the front line), then they won’t even have a chance to make a bark as they crumble to the ground.
Range and speed will allow you to "clean" the air in the middle and far rear of the adversary.

[venik]

Quote: K-50

If you configure the “Dagger” to fight aircraft (for example, with AWACS or tankers,

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My friend, haven’t you woken up yet ???? Would you also suggest using ICBMs on planes to "bullet" !!!!!

[K-50]

Quote: venik

Would you also suggest using ICBMs on planes to "bullet" !!!!!

If the task is to destroy an object inaccessible to other means of air defense, then it is possible to dodge already on a stake to fulfill the order. So your skepticism-humor is not the topic.

[Dimon19661]

And how do you "tune" it to perform air defense tasks? Explain the respected sofa IHpert.

[K-50]

Quote: Dimon19661

And how do you "tune" it to perform air defense tasks? Explain the respected sofa IHpert.

Just "teach" the rocket to maneuver. She has a radar seeker. In general, specialists will figure it out, there would be an idea, Mr. IHpert

[Boa kaa]

Quote: K-50

Just "teach" the rocket to maneuver. She has a radar seeker. In general, specialists will figure it out, there would be an idea, Mr. IHpert

But this is nonsense in the naked form ... And not even funny.
It would be better to launch the 40Н6М rocket on the Tu-22М3.
But this is superfluous, because there is already something:

[K-50]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But this is nonsense in the naked form ... And not even funny.
It would be better to launch the 40Н6М rocket on the Tu-22М3.

Range and speed are not the same.

[Random]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

It would be better to launch the 40Н6М rocket on the Tu-22М3.

Well, if you choose For the T-22M3, then the X-50

[K-50]

Quote: Random

Well, if you choose For the T-22M3, then the X-50

Already alternative options for long-range and ultra-long "arms" of air defense have appeared. The main thing is to give thought in the right direction.

[Random]

Quote: K-50

Already alternative options for long-range and ultra-long "arms" of air defense have appeared

So these, well, and other options have been worked out since the 70s, especially after it turned out that the X-22 is ... "well, not exactly RCC" or rather ... not at all ... okay ... they drove through

[Random]

Quote: K-50

Just "teach" the rocket to maneuver. Gos radar she has

The 9M723 missile is already controlled along the entire flight path using aerodynamic and gas-dynamic rudders. And what?
GSN R / L she does not! And she has an autonomous correlation-extreme optical homing head, i.e. AKEOGSN - the principle of operation of the 9M723 missile homing system is that the optical equipment forms an image of the terrain in the target area, which is compared by the on-board computer with the target image standard introduced during the preparation of the missile for launch.
And what's next? The aircraft carrier in addition also ... "walks"

[K-50]

Quote: Random

CH R / L she does not!

What is difficult to put?
"Unscrew" the radar seeker from the 40N6M rocket and voila.

[Random]

Quote: K-50

Unscrew the "radar seeker from the 40N6M rocket and voila

Gee-gee And not that one goal is one in the airspace with the control system from ground R / PM, and the second .... floating aircraft carrier
How else will you give the control unit .... if the target is at a distance of 800 km or more? Well, yes .... at 200 km Ka or Tu-142 will fly up and .. will be "highlighted"

[K-50]

Quote: Random

How else will you give the control unit .... if the target is at a distance of 800 km or more?

GOS - homing head. I don’t like from the 40N6M “screw” another, WIGOS, what is stopping? Are the dimensions wrong? put the adapter.
A completely solvable engineering task without any hee hee hee.
Who wants to seek solutions, who does not want a reason why this cannot be done!

[Random]

Quote: K-50

A completely solvable engineering task without any hee hee hee.

The problem is solved, if there is a control center from the radar, which is on the plane and it gives out the control center already on a missile’s seeker, then .. ice.
The GOS missile itself, (if it is r / l), will in no way be able to detect the target at such a range to take it to the "escort" .... "it’s very painful" .. the range is not more than 50 km

[K-50]

Quote: Random

The GOS missile itself, (if it is r / l), will in no way be able to detect the target at such a range to take it to the "escort" .... "it’s very painful" .. the range is not more than 50 km

It is displayed by satellite to the area where the intended target is located, where the rocket makes a maneuver to "inspect" the surrounding space, finds, destroys.
A similar principle has been solved for torpedoes with wake guidance. Why can't you creatively recycle air defense missiles? Apparently only laziness and inertness.
You have to be more creative, comrades, more creative.

[venik]

Quote: K-50

GOS - homing head. I don’t like from the 40N6M “screw” another, WIGOS, what is stopping? Are the dimensions wrong? put the adapter.

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Glory to you, God, in Russia it’s not the "experts" who are involved, like "Alexei K-50" !!!!

[Dimon19661]

But for 20 years I was engaged in air defense, and you would at least read about the principles of detection and destruction of air targets.

[venik]

Quote: K-50

If the task is to destroy an object inaccessible to other means of air defense, then it is possible to dodge already on a stake to fulfill the order. So your skepticism-humor is not the topic. hi

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Well, dear! You can shoot FROM MORTAR on SPARROWS !!!!! But for some reason, NOBODY DOES IT !!!!!
So that this is not "my humor and skepticism" - INappropriate! It's sorry it's yours STUPIDITY - NOT APPROPRIATE!!

[K-50]

Quote: venik

Well, dear! You can shoot FROM MORTAR on SPARROWS !!!!! But for some reason, NOBODY DOES IT !!!!!

Nick can not argue. Issue price only.
No one does? Well, it means they just didn’t set a goal. After all, the Iskander rocket was also only recently pinned to the plane, and before that no one THINKED that such a thing was possible. So why would this rocket teach anything else useful? What is in the way? Inertia of thinking?

[venik]

Quote: K-50

No one does? Well, it means they just didn’t set a goal.

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Well so, and I WHAT ???? ABOUT THE MOST !!!!

Quote: K-50

After all, the Iskander rocket was also only recently pinned to the plane, and before that no one THINKED that such a thing was possible.

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And why did you get that this is a "rocket from Iskander" ????? Because of the "external resemblance" ???? Then why not from Tochka-U ???? These missiles with the "Iskander" - like "identical twins" !!!
Appearance is similar ??? Yes you brains that "include" tried ????? It's just that this form has excellent aerodynamics, and at the same time it is very "technological" !!!!
Do you REALLY believe that there is the same "filling" ????
Look at the performance characteristics! There EVERYTHING (!!!) MISCELLANEOUS !!! And the range and speed and method of launch and trajectory ..... EVERYTHING!!
Are you SURE that the "Daggers" have the same mass-dimensional characteristics ??? What is it that STANDS SOLIDLY FUEL (and not for example - liquid taxiway ???
No?? Not sure???? So from WHAT BODUNA do you think the “Dagger” is an “air version of the Iskander” ???

[K-50]

Quote: venik

And why did you get that this is a "rocket from Iskander" "????

Do not spit on the screen. I’m going to run out of wipes for him soon.
don't like Dagger? Find another solution. The principle of solving a non-typical engineering problem is important here. Ways and methods of obtaining the desired result is a little tickling fact. The main thing is to SOLVE, with a reasonable expenditure of time and money.
And please do not be nervous, inhale, hold your breath, exhale.
Health must be protected.

[serge66]

less need to spray the fighter

[sergei28]

your favorite place

[Boa kaa]

Quote: venik

Would you also suggest using ICBMs on planes to "bullet" !!!!!

And rightly so!
One condition: the planes must be in a bunch ... at the airport!
In an extreme case, WWIA in the atmosphere or in the area of ​​the AWACS & A barrage will not seem too small.

[venik]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

One condition: the planes must be in a bunch ... at the airport! bully

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Thank you, sir !!! What pleases is that people with a well-developed sense of humor have not yet transferred to VO !!!!!

[Zaurbek]

What is the little things? You can immediately configure for these purposes and Iskander and Poplar ....

[san4es]

The American CNBC channel publishes material in which, as stated, refers to US intelligence ...........

... So TopWar.ru read

[Zaurbek]

Super start required for launch? Theoretically, the ability of the carrier to barrage in the launch area is more important here.

[san4es]

Quote: Zaurbek

... here the carrier’s ability to barrage in the launch area is more important.

...-- if this is a strategic option (with NJB)
... And if operational-tactical - (my opinion ), speed of delivery to the target is more important than stealth ... Ideally, a carrier in the near orbit of space ...

[Zaurbek]

We need a universal carrier! And bombs and CD and Dagger to wear. With a range of 2000 km, efficiency just comes by barrage in the launch area - you get the control unit in the reach zone and launch! The dagger is primarily a rocket against ships, the Mediterranean Sea and the Japanese are shot from our territory, the North Sea is not everywhere, but for this there is a MiG-31.

[san4es]

... efficiency just gets barrage in the launch area ..

... However, PAK-YES is a matter of a rather distant, although already quite foreseeable future. But such missiles can also be deployed on other Long-Range Aviation aircraft of Russia, for example, on supersonic missile carriers - medium-range Tu-22M3 and intercontinental Tu-160. The first theoretically (based on the possible values ​​of the mass and dimensions of the X-47M2 missile) can take two or four of these missiles on the external sling (placing it in a half-sunken position at the X-22 site requires the completion of at least the flaps of the bomb bay), and the second - four rockets in weapon compartments without significant alteration. Again, for the X-47M2 suspension, they must undergo refinement - substantial, but by no means impossible technically.
And then the whole ARC "Dagger" will turn from operational-tactical weapons into a means of strategic influence. .

http://aviation-gb7.ru/Dagger.htm

[nikolai55soot]

In 1975, the MiG-25 P with four missiles shot down satellites, rockets in space. Then he served in the SA and saw in Chuguevka, and the MiG - 31 is the same - a modernized MiG - 25 and more advanced. If you download “Ruslan” at a time: how many “Daggers” will fly onto the heads of the enemy. Horror !!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: nikolai55soot

If you download “Ruslan” at a time: how many “Daggers” will fly onto the heads of the enemy. Horror !!!

Maybe they’ll fly, but the range in 800 km is now needed by the Dagger. There is Iskander for this. Cheaper and angrier, at least you do not need to push an extra element into the system.
Then there will definitely be "Horror!"

[Random]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Maybe they’ll fly, but here’s the 800 km range that anyone now needs at the Dagger

Alexander, dear Here lies the "little trick" from the "urea propaganda."
What is the range of 2000km? Is it the launch range or the target range from the departure aerodrome?
If you take into account when calculating that the intercept line for the Mig-31 is from the standby position on the ground, when taking off and flying in the operating mode of the MFR detectors is 750 km, then, in principle, the Range can be greater).
It all depends on the N flight, carrier, V at launch, and the “margin” (pitch angle limit) when launching at that altitude ... (after all, the larger the angle, the greater the range)
But the question remained with the control center and guidance on a maneuverable target

[venik]

Quote: nikolai55soot

In 1975, the MiG-25 P with four missiles shot down satellites, rockets in space.

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Well, as far as we know, this information is from the field of FAMOUS "aviation tales" All tests of "anti-satellite" aircraft missiles in the USSR-ended in failure .... Subsequently, with the collapse of the Union-the program was closed !!!

Quote: nikolai55soot

If you download “Ruslan” at a time: how many “Daggers” will fly onto the heads of the enemy. Horror !!!

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Alas! DO NOT FLY !!! Ruslan’s speed and climb rate and ceiling are obviously NOT SUFFICIENT for the effective use of the Dagger !!!!
MiG-31 - just chosen because it is almost perfect (at the moment) reusable Starting и Overclocking stage for the hypersonic Dagger !! Besides the fact that it is reusable, it also does not fall under the limitations of the RSMD agreement !!!

[Random]

Quote: nikolai55soot

In 1975, the MiG-25 P with four missiles shot down satellites, rockets in space

Well, I would very much like to hear how the target was detected, captured by the Smerch-25 station on the nuclear submarine R / L, even if we take the PD-shki, which only appeared in the retraction in the 78-80s, which means you were clean P-shki, if the maximum detection range under ideal conditions was 80km. AC-60-70 km, with a field of view + -56 g horizontally and vertically + _ 6 g
Well, about the R-40 and R-60 missiles we don’t remember at all, but there were simply no others ...

[Anatoly Chikunov]

It's good! The state dragon must have sharp claws and good teeth in order to protect its nest and its place of feeding from other dragons.

[123456789]

In July, they conducted successful tests, hitting a target at a distance of more than 800 km (translation of data presented in miles - approx. “VO”).

In general, a missile range of 2000 km was declared

[Random]

Quote: 123456789

In general, a missile range of 2000 km was declared

So you can say anything

[Xscorpion]

Quote: 123456789

In July, they conducted successful tests, hitting a target at a distance of more than 800 km (translation of data presented in miles - approx. “VO”).

In general, a missile range of 2000 km was declared

Well, 2000 km is more than 800 km Well no less

[Random]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: nikolai55soot

If you download “Ruslan” at a time: how many “Daggers” will fly onto the heads of the enemy. Horror !!!

Maybe they’ll fly, but the range in 800 km is now needed by the Dagger. There is Iskander for this. Cheaper and angrier, at least you do not need to push an extra element into the system.
Then there will definitely be "Horror!"

And more so far

[gig334]

In general, everything is clear, this missile is not hypersonic, it is purely Iskander, a ballistic missile that was stuck to the interceptor under the belly. Why was it splurge. declaring to everyone that this is a hypersonic rocket.

[macgyver]

Under Iskander there is a whole "menagerie" of rockets produced. Including and winged and hypersonic. Moreover, unlike starting from a fixed Iskander, add also the supersonic speed of the medium.

[venik]

Quote: gig334

In general, everything is clear, this missile is not hypersonic, it is purely Iskander, a ballistic missile that was stuck to the interceptor under the belly.

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And from what actually “hangover” did you, my dear, take that it was a “rocket from Iskander” ???
Due to EXTERNAL SIMILARITY ????? And that’s EVERYTHING that you can participants in the "JOY" forum ?????
So, if the Volga GAZ-24 looks like a Mercedes, then it’s the same SAME??

[Paul 1]

Quote: venik

So, if the Volga GAZ-24 looks like a Mercedes, is it the same ONE AND SAME ????

By the way, something like that is. in general, according to the characteristics, it cannot be said that Mercedes will surpass the Volga at the same speed at least twice or more. technologies of the same order of characterization will therefore also be of the same order. the fact that the Mercedes is much more ergonomic will not make its cruising range three times farther and three times faster, that is, at least the purely physical characteristics of the vehicle are really close, despite the fact that the Volga is also a mallet

[K-36]

Quote: Random

Quote: K-50

Just "teach" the rocket to maneuver. Gos radar she has

The 9M723 missile is already controlled along the entire flight path using aerodynamic and gas-dynamic rudders. And what?
GSN R / L she does not! And she has an autonomous correlation-extreme optical homing head, i.e. AKEOGSN - the principle of operation of the 9M723 missile homing system is that the optical equipment forms an image of the terrain in the target area, which is compared by the on-board computer with the target image standard introduced during the preparation of the missile for launch.
And what's next? The aircraft carrier in addition also ... "walks"

If I understand you correctly, then you definitely "slipped" the "Dagger" rocket into an optical target finder? Interesting ...
According to your ideas, it turns out that the "Dagger" is an absolutely useless "toy" in SMU at night (well, since, in your opinion, the search and recognition are only optical). I confess a higher opinion about the designers of this rocket. And to create a useless "dummy" for work at night and in SMU is already some kind of transcendent nonsense.
Best regards

[Random]

Quote: K-36

If I understand you correctly, then you definitely "slipped" the "Dagger" rocket into an optical target finder? Interesting ..

And why amusing ..... this poa is the only normal head flying on a rocket
And all the "attempts" that we are about to ... "screw" the "Edge" onto Iskander is the same as ... "Urya-cartoons"

Quote: K-36

According to your ideas, it turns out that the "Dagger" is an absolutely useless "toy" in SMU at night (well, since, in your opinion, the search and recognition are only optical). I confess a higher opinion about the designers of this rocket.

You are deeply mistaken, just AKEOGSN "works" in any conditions (both in SMU and at night).
And who says the rocket is bad?
It is only discussed that for the aircraft carrier to apply it “nizya.”, If not with the NBC.
And what .. a little we have "urea-noodles" hang on our ears?
And the people are being carried on ... they’re throwing hats .....
Yours faithfully,
Not yet "flew" at the window dressing?

[Random]

Quote: K-50

Quote: Random

The GOS missile itself, (if it is r / l), will in no way be able to detect the target at such a range to take it to the "escort" .... "it’s very painful" .. the range is not more than 50 km

It is displayed by satellite to the area where the intended target is located, where the rocket makes a maneuver to "inspect" the surrounding space, finds, destroys.
A similar principle has been solved for torpedoes with wake guidance. Why can't you creatively recycle air defense missiles? Apparently only laziness and inertness.
You have to be more creative, comrades, more creative.

This is at an altitude of 200 km, at a speed of 10 Machs .... does the rocket begin to look around? Yes, and in plasma? What kind of power should there be a PRD on a rocket and what kind of antenna?
She finds about herself ... if before that there was no specific control center for the target ... forget ... like "animated films"

[K-36]

Quote: Random

Quote: K-36

If I understand you correctly, then you definitely "slipped" the "Dagger" rocket into an optical target finder? Interesting ..

And why amusing ..... this poa is the only normal head flying on a rocket
And all the "attempts" that we are about to ... "screw" the "Edge" onto Iskander is the same as ... "Urya-cartoons"

Quote: K-36

According to your ideas, it turns out that the "Dagger" is an absolutely useless "toy" in SMU at night (well, since, in your opinion, the search and recognition are only optical). I confess a higher opinion about the designers of this rocket.

You are deeply mistaken, just AKEOGSN "works" in any conditions (both in SMU and at night).
And who says the rocket is bad?
It is only discussed that for the aircraft carrier to apply it “nizya.”, If not with the NBC.
And what .. a little we have "urea-noodles" hang on our ears?
And the people are being carried on ... they’re throwing hats .....
Yours faithfully,
Not yet "flew" at the window dressing?

Thanks for the answer. To be honest, I still don’t really understand how optical GOS can work on the ground / water in the SMU and in the 1st meteorological minimum, because figuratively speaking, "I don’t see a damn thing"
But do not tell me for an hour, have you tried to “fasten” “Liana” to this Topic for example, or are there over-the-horizon “Sunflowers”?
About the "window dressing." Ends already. We started somewhere at 12h 50 min. They twisted everything over the Petrovsky Bridge (well, so that it was wonderful to watch and enjoy from both beaches).
Best regards

[Kasym]

Victor, the comments of “Random” are very similar to the comments of “VAF” (aviation colonel in reserve; most likely he is - according to the style of writing comments.). He likes to use professional abbreviations (AKEOGSN, EPR, pitch angle, etc.). After his comments, then the clock surfs the Internet in search of decryption.
AKEOGSN - autonomous correlation-extreme optical homing head. The target is displayed using an inertial control system, and then on. optics. For this, before launch, an image of the target on the ground is introduced into the GOS. Such a GOS is no longer on any rocket. The optical homing head is characterized by increased sensitivity.

[Old26]

Well done our media !!! It took only a few hours to correct most of the electronic media messages, so as not to hurt the readers ...

[Old26]

Quote: K-50

If you set up a “Dagger” for fighting planes (for example, with AWACS or tankers that usually fly farther from the front line), then they won’t even have a chance to make a bark as they crumble to the ground.
Range and speed will allow you to "clean" the air in the middle and far rear of the adversary.

Oh really? So they don’t have time to bark? Oh well...

[Old26]

Quote: gig334

In general, everything is clear, this missile is not hypersonic, it is purely Iskander, a ballistic missile that was stuck to the interceptor under the belly. Why was it splurge. declaring to everyone that this is a hypersonic rocket.

Is Iskander hypersonic? Strange, for some reason I thought that if a product runs at a speed of about 7MP, then it is considered hypersonic. So your passage is past. It is really hypersonic, although unlike a product with hypersonic ramjet, it cannot go at a constant hypersonic speed, while losing both height and speed

[Zaurbek]

The product must maintain this speed along the entire trajectory using ramjet. And there a lot of problems come up, including with correction when it hits the target.

[macgyver]

Yes, I would now think a hundred times before leaving to serve on an American aircraft carrier.

[Random]

Quote: macgyver

Yes, I would now think a hundred times before setting off to serve on an American aircraft carrier

And what ... do you already have Methodological Instructions for the destruction of AUGs by single dagger complexes?
Or do you think that a cap with ear flaps thrown by you will be able to destroy AUG or AUS

[macgyver]

And what do you think they can stop him, except for their board below the waterline? There is no need for manuals here, hypersonic caps with earflaps with 500 kg of octagen are enough.

[sergei28]

propaganda fake, from the cartoon with a "non-mature" rocket.

[flicker]

Then abroad (and not only), some circles doubted the veracity of the statements of the Russian president about the existence of such weapons in Russia. Now doubts disappear.

Now that the Russian national football team knocked Spain out of the tournament, everyone understood that you can expect everything from Russia.

[Zomanus]

With the suspension of six missiles on the Tu-22 there is an option to work in a pack,
which further increases the potential of these missiles.
But then again, these are missiles for a serious war,
so their combat use of joy will not deliver much.

[Random]

Quote: Zomanus

With the suspension of six missiles on the Tu-22 there is an option to work in a pack,

This is the term from the "slang" of the Navy.
In the Air Force, you can have a group launch from deployed battle formations (simultaneous salvo or sequential at intervals).
The volley density and the interval significantly increase the PROBABILITY of hitting the target.
How are you going to "shove" as many as 6 pieces of these missiles?
And what are rockets not "for a serious war"?

[sergei28]

They love noodles and a showy circus in Russia, this helps Jews to ruin the state.

[Markov V.A]

If you carefully listen to GDP when referring to the Federal Assembly, he said the following range of this system is more than 2000 km., And the speed is more than 10 max, so we conclude what it is MORE, 100 or 300 km., Maybe 800, and speed 11 or 14 mach, we don’t know about it yet. since the performance characteristics of these systems are classified and this is good. Let the adversaries think!

[Div0man]

Quote: kuz363

Don’t worry, they also have something like that. Only you do not know about it.

And what, Russia threatens to push its AUG to the shores of the United States?

[Old26]

Quote: Romario_Argo

ICRC Liana deployed at 100%. 2 Peony, 2 Lotus

Novel! DO NOT WRITE Nonsense. It is not 100% deployed. Only at 50. Not a single PION satellite in orbit. I have already told you and others about this more than once.

Quote: Romario_Argo

that's all ... CURTAIN

only for some reason they dare with daggers on a third-party control center and do not strain, apparently someone does not take into account the remote sensing satellites, such as they are civilians and they can give out only in theory ....

NOVEL!
Better not write anything than write nonsense. Since when did remote sensing satellites, which are essentially optoelectronic reconnaissance satellites, suddenly begin to give target designations? Already what, did they teach the TsU to issue a space camera?

Now about external target designation. From what hangover did you take that the tests reached the stage when the complex is tested as a whole, using external sources of control. In the last message, it was said only that the rocket hit the target at a distance of 804 km. Even our media adhered to and corrected their messages so as not to injure the psyche of readers. But there the initial information was slightly different from the one that appeared on the news feeds at 10-11 o’clock in the afternoon. Literally, the message was as follows

It is noted that the reliability of the rocket was tested during 12 test launches from the MiG-31 interceptor, three of which were successful.
The last test was successful in July.. Then the rocket hit the target in the distance 804 km.

Quote: K-50

No one does? Well, it means they just didn’t set a goal. After all, the Iskander rocket was also only recently pinned to the plane, and before that no one THINKED that such a thing was possible. So why would this rocket teach anything else useful? What is in the way? Inertia of thinking?

Nobody does, of course, because our "sworn friends" conducted similar experiments in the late 50s and early 60s. It became clear that at that time it was impossible to achieve the necessary accuracy using the ANN, especially when firing at a distance of over 1000 km. All other guidance systems were then in a fairly embryonic state. Therefore, experiments with the BRVZ were stopped and the Americans switched to cruise missiles. Although less fast and long-range, but who had some kind of modernization potential.
It seems that the "Dagger" - this is from hopelessness. Work similar to the American work on the X-51, we are not conducted. Is it possible in the future to adapt Zircon to air carrier - it’s not clear ...

[Old26]

I will continue

Quote: venik

And why did you get that this is a "rocket from Iskander" ????? Because of the "external resemblance" ???? Then why not from Tochka-U ???? fool These missiles with "Iskander" - like "identical twins" !!!
Appearance is similar ??? Yes you brains that "include" tried ????? It's just that this form has excellent aerodynamics, and at the same time it is very "technological" !!!!
Do you REALLY believe that there is the same "filling" ???? fool
Look at the performance characteristics! There EVERYTHING (!!!) MISCELLANEOUS !!! And the range and speed and the way to start and the trajectory ..... EVERYTHING !!!!!
Are you SURE that the "Daggers" have the same mass-dimensional characteristics ??? What is it that STANDS SOLIDLY FUEL (and not for example - liquid taxiway ???
No?? Not sure???? So from WHAT BODYON do you think the "Dagger" is an "air version of Iskander" ??? fool

CalmЕe, namesake, calmЕe. In something you are right, in something not. Fewer emotions when it comes to the technical aspects of the problem. Emotions, like euphoria, are harmful when considering such issues. But you raised a number of questions, although not to me. Your opponent is unlikely to answer you, you have a banal bickering, so I will express my point of view

So

Quote: venik

And why did you get that this is a "rocket from Iskander" ????? Because of the "external resemblance" ???? Then why not from Tochka-U ???? fool These missiles with "Iskander" - like "identical twins" !!!

Alas, the overall dimensions indicate that they have the same missile unit with the Iskander. A fundamental difference from other (earlier) developments of the Kolomna KBM in the number and type of aerodynamic surfaces. Therefore, with a very high degree of probability we can say that the “Dagger” is a slightly modified version of the “Iskander” with all the ensuing consequences. That is, they have approximately the same range, approximately the same starting weight and similar aerodynamic characteristics

Quote: venik

Appearance is similar ??? Yes you brains that "include" tried ????? It's just that this form has excellent aerodynamics, and at the same time it is very "technological" !!!!

All forms of ballistic missiles have excellent aerodynamics and are technologically advanced. Why didn’t they take the aerodynamic shape of the “Point”, or “Oka”, or “Oki-U”? Usually, the development of the next product is based on the experience of earlier ones. And if their mass-dimensional and speed characteristics are close - there is no need to invent a new one, inventing a bicycle. The previous product is taken, upgraded if necessary. That's all

Quote: venik

Do you REALLY believe that there is the same "filling" ???? fool

This question even put me a little into a dead end. What do you mean by the term "filling"?
Fuel?
Fuel with a 99,9% probability is the same. For otherwise, there should have been tests from the ground stand, and there probably would not have cost a dozen tests.

Command Instrument Block?
The inertial navigation system, autopilot, and all the associated tinsel are probably the same as on the Iskander. In addition to this control channel, there may be optical and radar guidance channels that will work at the very last stage when the rocket leaves the plasma cloud, reducing speed to supersonic and these guidance channels can be used

Warhead and fuses?
Here, of course, there will be differences from the Iskander. Firstly, the “Dagger" will not have a cluster and probably high-explosive fragmentation warhead. Only a high-explosive (possibly, as on the X-22 high-explosive-cumulative) warhead, and of course it’s special. Moreover, the presence of a high-explosive cumulative warhead is unlikely, because this will reduce the range of use of the "Dagger"

Quote: venik

Look at the performance characteristics! There EVERYTHING (!!!) MISCELLANEOUS !!! And the range and speed and the way to start and the trajectory ..... EVERYTHING !!!!!

Where such confidence? I think that the flight range of the Dagger itself is unlikely to be more than 1000-1200 km. And even then this range will be obtained due to the height and speed of launch. The trajectory will be approximately the same as that of the Iskander. The difference is only in the starting method. Starting from a height of 20 km will give an approximate increase in the range of interest of 15-20, The speed at which the launch will be carried out will give about the same. A small "appendage" in range will depend on the pitch angle at which the launch will be carried out. And so, in principle, the rocket itself will be an analogue of the Iskander

Quote: venik

Are you SURE that the "Daggers" have the same mass-dimensional characteristics ??? What is it that STANDS SOLIDLY FUEL (and not for example - liquid taxiway ???

Its dimensions have already been repeatedly on the network. There were people who fussed and gave an approximate alignment in size. From this comes the conclusion that in the same dimensions it is almost impossible to have a mass that is much different. By reducing the weight of the warhead, you can reduce the launch of this missile and increase the range, but how realistic is this reduction? Reducing the weight of a high explosive warhead means reducing the damaging characteristics of a rocket. Liquid engine? KB does not deal with them from the word at all. On a certain of its products are jet engines, but for some reason I do not recall a single system with liquid ...

Quote: macgyver

Under Iskander there is a whole "menagerie" of rockets produced. Including and winged and hypersonic. Moreover, unlike starting from a fixed Iskander, add also the supersonic speed of the medium.

Very peculiar terminology. If you distinguish between missiles according to the aerodynamic scheme, then it is worth saying that there are "cruise" and "ballistic" missiles. If in speed, then subsonic (winged) and hypersonic (ballistic). But do not write - winged and hypersonic. This, sorry, is technically illiterate.

The fact that Iskander has a whole “menagerie” of missiles is an invention of journalists who do not even know how the missiles are designated in this complex. The missile essentially consists of two parts - from a single missile unit having the index 9M723 and 9M723-1 and from the warhead. In particular, the cassette warhead has an index of 9N722K1 or 9N722K5
Then it’s correct to write that the 9M723K1 missile is used (or other versions of the 9M723F, 9M723-1F, 9M723-1K5, etc.), but frankly speaking, journalists spit on this and as a result they get a whole “menagerie” of missiles, although in essence the missile one with interchangeable warheads

Quote: Zomanus

With the suspension of six missiles on the Tu-22 there is an option to work in a flock, which further increases the potential of these missiles. But then again, these are missiles for a serious war, so their military use will not bring much joy.

It is very unlikely that there will be a suspension of more than three missiles. One in the bomb bay and on the bomb mounts under the root of the wing.

Quote: Markov V.A

If you carefully listen to GDP when referring to the Federal Assembly, he said the following range of this system is more than 2000 km., And the speed is more than 10 max, so we conclude what it is MORE, 100 or 300 km., Maybe 800, and speed 11 or 14 mach, we don’t know about it yet. since the performance characteristics of these systems are classified and this is good. Let the adversaries think!

They have long considered both the possible range and the possible speed of the rocket using various types of carriers. There is no particular secret in such calculations ...