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Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers

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The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, held a meeting with representatives of Rosatom, which was devoted to the use of the latest technologies in related industries. In particular, the issue of increasing the power of supercomputers, which could be achieved by combining the creative and industrial potentials of Rosatom and Roskosmos, was discussed.


At the moment, the most acute struggle for the possession of the most productive computer has developed between the USA, China, Japan and the EU. In terms of performance, Russia is still lagging behind and, moreover, it uses foreign element base. However, in the Russian Federation the task is to reduce dependence on foreign electronics and continue work on increasing the performance of supercomputers.

Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers


The press service of the space corporation noted that the issue of creating a special component base - resistant to the effects of highly ionizing radiation - was also discussed. Also reports that representatives of state corporations discussed the topic of creating new materials - those that can reduce the level of energy consumption. The rocket and space industry is interested in obtaining such materials.

Message press service Roskosmos leads TASS:
A serious interest for organizations was caused by the initiative to create an interdepartmental center for radiation testing of the electronic component base. In the center, it is planned to simulate the influence of all existing types of cosmic radiation on ECB and spacecraft electronic equipment.


Interdepartmental working groups are created in other areas of research and production activities.

We remind you that this week Roskosmos reported on a new space record: low cargo delivery time to the ISS using a space truck - according to a double-turn scheme applied for the first time.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 13 July 2018 18: 06
    +25
    Dmitry Rogozin, please take care of yourself, this will save you from many problems in Russia in the future.
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 13 July 2018 18: 10
      +13
      Buying a pack of "Zeon" on 775, will spend billions of rubles on it. That's super compuchter. Well, or on the pinnacle from PS4 will collect.)
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 13 July 2018 18: 14
        +32
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Buying a pack of "Zeon" on 775, will spend billions of rubles on it. That's super compuchter. Well, or on the pinnacle from PS4 will collect.)

        Yes you! This is a BREAKTHROUGH! Rogozin does not undertake anything - all BREAKTHROUGH! The cosmodrome, as an example, is the most breakthrough, not to mention the fact that we came out on top in unsuccessful missile launches .. Mediocrity in power doesn’t go anywhere even after a complete failure, it’s not even about are responsible for their mediocre criminal actions, BUT the speech is that they are safely assigned somewhere after the BREAKTHROUGH ... instead of having to retire the whole family ..
        1. avt
          avt 13 July 2018 18: 47
          +6
          Quote: Svarog
          Rogozin for what does not undertake

          Everything is torn, starting with the congress of Russian communities.
          Quote: Leeds
          They need to put a son, they say, but he is incredibly talented.

          wassat But how then can the terms be shifted to the right of the transporters? A kind of Makar, Ilya will fly into the sky! wassat
          1. For example
            For example 14 July 2018 09: 39
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Dmitry Rogozin, please take care of yourself

            Are you, my friend, in love with Rogozin? You have to go to Europe. Homosexuals live there.
            Or you are a young lady who fell in love with a person from the TV.
            How much hatred in you and at the same time passion for a person whom you never saw in your eyes. Definitely a young lady. wink love
          2. Saburov
            Saburov 14 July 2018 23: 51
            +2
            Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers


            Khan to supercomputers.




            PS The saddest thing is that all our power is made up of this kind of clowns. To keep people entertained and distracted from pressing problems and from those responsible for this mess.

            Yours!
        2. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 13 July 2018 19: 11
          +2
          Yes you! This is a BREAKTHROUGH! Rogozin for what is not taken - all BREAKTHROUGH!

          laughing
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 13 July 2018 19: 38
            +7
            Is it good to be a sofa expert?
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 13 July 2018 20: 39
              +7
              Quote: Fungus
              Is it good to be a sofa expert?
              Sofa astronauts envy .... laughing
              Then people are sent into space, and they paint fences black around them .... wassat
              On June 6, the Soyuz MS-09 manned spacecraft set off from the Baikonur Cosmodrome to the ISS. On board are three crew members: Sergey Prokopiev (Roscosmos), Alexander Gerst (European Space Agency) and Serena Aunion-Chancellor (NASA).
              The launch was watched by the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, director general of the European Space Agency Johann-Dietrich Werner, US Ambassador to the Russian Federation John Huntsman and the world's first female cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova.
            2. lis-ik
              lis-ik 13 July 2018 20: 41
              +6
              Quote: Fungus
              Is it good to be a sofa expert?

              A gopnik? Judging by the comments, you are a bright representative.
          2. Alber
            Alber 13 July 2018 23: 01
            +7
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            Yes you! This is a BREAKTHROUGH! Rogozin for what is not taken - all BREAKTHROUGH!

            laughing


            Rogozin will take on supercomputers ...
            This eccentric one letter has already taken once at the Cosmodrome.
            I ate a specific ryah, in two days you won’t go around on a tractor
        3. astepanov
          astepanov 13 July 2018 20: 03
          +17
          Quote: Svarog
          This is a BREAKTHROUGH! Rogozin does not undertake anything - all BREAKTHROUGH!

          They forgot to remember another achievement of Mr. Rogozin: he is the only doctor of technical sciences in the world who does not have a technical education. This is intelligence! Probably only academician Kadyrov is even cooler ...
      2. MPN
        MPN 13 July 2018 18: 15
        +17
        Yes, I look at us professionals are exhausted, since Rogozin is engaged in computers, will he even distinguish a bit from a byte?
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War 13 July 2018 18: 30
          +1
          So far, more or less, Baikal Electronics is producing something
          1. bk316
            bk316 13 July 2018 18: 41
            +8
            And what about Baikal Electronics?
            More or less fast supercomputers are made by us of T-Platforms, and not at all on baikals but on xeons.
            Why write comments if you do not understand anything in the subject?
            1. Alexander War
              Alexander War 13 July 2018 18: 46
              +1
              Can T-Platform processors be shown?
              1. bk316
                bk316 13 July 2018 18: 54
                +8
                Can T-Platform processors be shown? [

                What to show them?
                Have you ever seen the Xeon E5-2697?
                The whole (ALL CARL!) Top 50 RF on Xeon, there is no Baikal there.
                But also 90% of the world top 500 on Xeon (about SW a separate conversation).
                And the OS is all 100% Lunux.
                1. Alexander War
                  Alexander War 13 July 2018 19: 19
                  +1
                  Xeon E5-2697 Carl is Intel!
                2. viralig
                  viralig 13 July 2018 20: 47
                  0
                  Linux or Unix
            2. Alexander War
              Alexander War 13 July 2018 18: 48
              +1
              And show the T-Platforms operating system
        2. Leeds
          Leeds 13 July 2018 18: 42
          +11
          They need to put a son, they say, but he is incredibly talented. Still, talented parents have talented children. More and more begin to resemble the Middle East
          1. 123456789
            123456789 13 July 2018 20: 48
            +2
            Quote: Leeds
            They need to put a son, they say, but he is incredibly talented. Still, talented parents have talented children. More and more begin to resemble the Middle East

            nature rests on children of geniuses
            Erasmus Rotterdam
        3. SSR
          SSR 13 July 2018 18: 50
          +5
          Quote: MPN
          Yes, I look at us professionals are exhausted, since Rogozin is engaged in computers, He’s at least бum then from бayta distinguish?

          All the letter "B" - Trampoline!
        4. XXXIII
          XXXIII 13 July 2018 20: 50
          +5
          Quote: MPN
          Yes, I look at us professionals are exhausted, since Rogozin is engaged in computers, will he even distinguish a bit from a byte?

          In general, it is not his task to distinguish, his task is to organize work on the task and complete it. Well, how will it go and how much will a super PC need, it is not he who decides ..... laughing
          Dmitry Rogozin
          After graduating from Moscow State University in 1986, he joined the Committee of Youth Organizations of the USSR (KMO of the USSR). He dreamed of working in foreign intelligence, but despite the successful completion of a six-month internship in Cuba (September 1985 - February 1986), he fell under the restriction for further service that was introduced in the KGB of the USSR for the closest relatives of active workers (Rogozin's father-in-law, Gennady Serebryakov, served at that time time in the First Main Directorate (foreign intelligence) of the KGB of the USSR)
      3. bk316
        bk316 13 July 2018 18: 43
        +3
        He will buy the Zeon pack on the 775th,

        Know what the joke is Yuri.
        That is exactly what he will do.
        It’s just no other way - massive parallel architecture, you know. wink
        All supercomputers are doing it now.
        1. Wendigo
          Wendigo 13 July 2018 20: 08
          +5
          “We remind you that this week Roscosmos reported on a new space record: low time for delivering cargo to the ISS using a space truck - according to the two-turn scheme applied for the first time.”
          So there was no record! The USSR and the USA did this in 60 years and in both cases is faster than today's "record" of Russian space. This is some kind of absolutely stupid arrogant and unscrupulous lie from Russian space. Degrading however ... hi
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 13 July 2018 20: 52
            +5
            If the delivery of goods in 3 hours 45 minutes against two days of degradation? You are clearly a couch expert.
            1. Wendigo
              Wendigo 13 July 2018 21: 58
              +2
              Quote: Fungus
              If the delivery of goods in 3 hours 45 minutes against two days of degradation?

              You can’t even understand the meaning of what you read .... I’m talking about the fact that Rosskosmos tried to appropriate a stranger’s record more than half a century ago. In fact, it’s easy to embarrass, and anyone ... from the USSR. Ay uber patriots, where are you looking?
              The USSR and the USA did the same as Rosskosmos only 2 times faster (the USSR, by the way, is faster than the Americans). fellow
              1. Topgun
                Topgun 13 July 2018 22: 46
                +1
                it depends on the orbit of the station, it’s not possible to crank it up every time, but in general you’re right, it feels like patriotism occupies a very large piece of the brain because of which it does not work effectively enough in other directions (this is for certain commentators)
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 13 July 2018 20: 12
      +2
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Dmitry Rogozin, please take care of yourself, this will save you from many problems in Russia in the future.

      And he already saw order in Roscosmos brought order. Likely signed an application for the supply of cargo trampolines for the department, it’s time to deal with allies. If you’ve already reached RosAtom, then take it to the nuclear power plant. Maybe it will be sense after.
    3. renics
      renics 13 July 2018 22: 19
      0
      Where is he here? Au Rogozin where are you, answer me! He hardly even knows about the existence of this site.
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 July 2018 18: 08
    +3
    Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers
    This is good, it will help us a lot to ease the issue of using "trampolines" when launching our satellites and astronauts, because I feel that hands may not reach the rocket production of Mr. Rogozin
    1. Trek
      Trek 13 July 2018 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers
      This is good, it will help us a lot to ease the issue of using "trampolines" when launching our satellites and astronauts, because I feel that hands may not reach the rocket production of Mr. Rogozin

      Rogozin again spits slogans .. (incorrigible ..))) He is an optimist !!!
      Roscosmos must first be cleaned of all moneylenders and swindlers .. There fat bugs sucked and in case of missile launch failure, the uncle Fedya (who mixed up the contacts) was always at fault angry Theft is terry in Russia, they feel ghouls that the patience of the people is over and they are grabbing at the insolent EVERYTHING ... Is that what Sergey should do? Is Russia Khan ..?
  3. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 13 July 2018 18: 15
    +5
    Missing Kalabukhov house. We'll have to leave, but where, one wonders? Everything will be like clockwork. First, every evening, singing, then pipes will freeze in the toilets, then the boiler will burst in steam heating and so on. Cap to Kalabuhov. ©
  4. Terenin
    Terenin 13 July 2018 18: 16
    +17
    I, Rogozin, trust and believe that coordination of the actions of these two structures (Roskosmos and Rosatom) will bring real benefits to Russia.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 13 July 2018 18: 23
      +16
      Could you give an example where Rogozin completed everything and everything works?
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 July 2018 18: 56
        +17
        Quote: Alexander War
        Could you give an example where Rogozin completed everything and everything works?

        It is enough for me that the whole "civilized" West and all our liberal "elite" non-stop pour mud on it.
      2. Fungus
        Fungus 13 July 2018 19: 54
        +6
        GLONASS, a bunch of the latest weapons.
    2. helmi8
      helmi8 13 July 2018 19: 31
      +2
      Quote: Terenin
      coordination of the actions of these two structures (Roskosmos and Rosatom) will bring real benefits to Russia.

      A serious interest for organizations was caused by the initiative to create an interdepartmental center for radiation testing of the electronic component base. In the center, it is planned to simulate the influence of all existing types of cosmic radiation on ECB and spacecraft electronic equipment.

      I have a question ... Again, we unite something, research, create new centers ... And what are Skolkovo and Rusnano doing? Not enough money again? am
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 14 July 2018 09: 24
        +7
        Quote: helmi8
        I have a question ... Again, we unite something, research, create new centers ... And what are Skolkovo and Rusnano doing? Not enough money again?

        I have a vague doubt that Rusnano, Skolkovo and plankton from these "aquariums" are held, as material for future criminal cases, to keep their patrons "hooked". Yes
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 14 July 2018 10: 48
          +4
          Quote: Terenin
          to keep their patrons hooked

          Yes, something Chubais hurt for a long time on this hook, but what's the point? Only embezzlement of budget funds ... Or is it that they put him so much deeper on the hook?
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 14 July 2018 11: 02
            +5
            Quote: helmi8
            Yes, something Chubais hurt for a long time on this hook, but what's the point? Only waste of budget funds ...

            That's right, Sergey, here you yourself answered your own question Yes Where are the waste going? ... to patrons!
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 13 July 2018 18: 19
    +3
    The goal is understandable and quite feasible, it is work to increase the performance of supercomputers, but the head is Rogozin. A huge question arises ............. And what will be the result !?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 13 July 2018 18: 22
      +5
      The most wonderful for Mr. Rogozin and his family
  6. gridasov
    gridasov 13 July 2018 18: 21
    0
    Why not talk about what is actually the cause of the underdevelopment of supercomputers and the mathematical foundations that predetermine their work.
    1. san4es
      san4es 13 July 2018 18: 34
      +1
      Quote: gridasov
      Why not talk about what is actually the cause of the underdevelopment of supercomputers and the mathematical foundations that predetermine their work. ...

      ... This topic is only for the "chosen" bully ... Better a movie look ........... recourse
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 13 July 2018 18: 51
        0
        These are not machines capable of analyzing even elementary physical. processes of a low potential level. And even if you combine them, they will not perform their functions better or even perform them. You see, statistics and analytics are completely different kinds of processes.
        1. san4es
          san4es 13 July 2018 19: 01
          +2
          Quote: gridasov
          These are not machines capable of analyzing even elementary physical. low-grade processes ...

          ... I agree, it is necessary to develop angry
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 13 July 2018 18: 21
    +3
    If we say the supercomputer 1000 times, from this it will not appear! Like the Angara missile, for which Dmitry Rogozin had fought so hard ...................
    Pechalka
  8. alexmach
    alexmach 13 July 2018 18: 23
    +7
    Khan to the supercomputer.
  9. Vard
    Vard 13 July 2018 18: 25
    +2
    It was already ... just picked up the eggs ... the milk was gone ...
  10. bk316
    bk316 13 July 2018 18: 33
    +1
    Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers

    Maybe not? We have been doing well here .....
  11. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 13 July 2018 18: 33
    +1
    We remind you that this week Roskosmos reported on a new space record: low cargo delivery time to the ISS using a space truck - according to a double-turn scheme applied for the first time.

    To be honest - spit out! I have already prepared a huge bag of popcorn and am looking forward to the declared expedition to the moon. And there it will become clear whether the American landing was in fact, or whether Kubrick was actually killed in order to preserve the secret of the staging.
    Lunar Conspiracy Theory, yes.
    1. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 13 July 2018 19: 11
      +3
      Do not choke on snot ...
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 13 July 2018 21: 03
        0
        I'd rather choke on popcorn. Or from laughter. Or all together.
  12. Proton
    Proton 13 July 2018 18: 33
    +3
    When will we begin to appoint not professional qualities but professional ones am
    1. Vard
      Vard 14 July 2018 04: 06
      +2
      The criteria for appointment to the post with us is personal loyalty ... And yet ... Any boss chooses a deputy stupid enough ..... That would not sit there ... Then this deputy still becomes the boss. And the deputy chooses the same ...
  13. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 13 July 2018 18: 38
    +3
    However, in Russia the task is to reduce dependence on foreign electronics and to continue work to increase the performance of supercomputers.
    laughing funny
  14. gridasov
    gridasov 13 July 2018 18: 39
    0
    Speaking of magnetic force processes, we forget that in addition to external magnetic fluxes, there are also internal ones. Therefore, initially, specialists should imply mathematical dimensions and dependences of external and internal magnetic processes. And if this is obvious and many will agree with this, then an elementary scheme of enhancing security, or rather self-protection of the elemental component of devices from external magnetic processes, is possible. At the same time, a completely new kind of element base device appears, which is capable of forming stepwise density of magnetic fluxes and using spin effects.
    It is worth noting that none of the developers in other countries work in this direction.
    And of course, the question of how, whether a photon or a quantum or another computer to fulfill the task of machine learning, is completely separate. So, in order to accomplish this, it is necessary to create an element base device that is capable of carrying out direct electronic transformation. magnetic impulse into the parameters of the number, which in turn must be given such qualities that will be readable by the machine and at the same time will be readable by our brain as an element of perception.
  15. Ekzutor
    Ekzutor 13 July 2018 18: 44
    +5
    Rogozin time
  16. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 13 July 2018 18: 48
    0
    Ehhh cudgel.
    How interesting to read comments on the topic. (Not only this one) Everything mixes up: people, trolls .... smile
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 13 July 2018 18: 57
      +3
      Say this is not a reality !?
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 13 July 2018 20: 18
        0
        Hmm Rather yes than no. But! We build reality ourselves, don't we?
      2. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 13 July 2018 20: 24
        0
        Gridasov! I have always respected you.
        The question hung in the air.
        What can you offer?
        In fundamental science?
        Not here. You know my bark.
        Decide.
  17. bk316
    bk316 13 July 2018 18: 49
    +1
    My native super-cool (Lomonosov) is now the first or second in the Russian Federation, hangs out somewhere at the end of the top 50 and it is VERY GOOD.
    Don’t even touch him, make your own even a Roskosmos, even a Rosatom.
    By the way, who wants to go to Moscow State University, look at the room will not be allowed, but through the glass - please.
    1. Nychego
      Nychego 13 July 2018 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      My native at-home super (Lomonosov)

      Its analogue, Sasha Bez_ru_kov, and another MSU graduate unknown to me were collected by the Chinese for half a year in 2014 (?). The Chinese were VERY pressure on the timing - the guys actually sometimes lived in the building intended for him, but they paid off very well - Sasha was more than enough for the mansion in the suburbs.
  18. senima56
    senima56 13 July 2018 19: 05
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    Buying a pack of "Zeon" on 775, will spend billions of rubles on it. That's super compuchter. Well, or on the pinnacle from PS4 will collect.)

    Yes you! This is a BREAKTHROUGH! Rogozin does not undertake anything - all BREAKTHROUGH! The cosmodrome, as an example, is the most breakthrough, not to mention the fact that we came out on top in unsuccessful missile launches .. Mediocrity in power doesn’t go anywhere even after a complete failure, it’s not even about are responsible for their mediocre criminal actions, BUT the speech is that they are safely assigned somewhere after the BREAKTHROUGH ... instead of having to retire the whole family ..

    That's it! That's it! There is no "personal responsibility"! Therefore, people are increasingly comrade Stalin remember! There were no “untouchables” with him! A hard worker or a member of a plitburo stole both of them!
  19. SHURUM -BURUM
    SHURUM -BURUM 13 July 2018 19: 06
    +1
    Computers have the same story as rocket engines. Both of them have already reached the physical limit. Do your favorite thing, gentlemen. Chase neutrons through the accelerator, make trampolines, saw, finally ... But do not poke around there that you have not been taught.
    1. bk316
      bk316 13 July 2018 19: 12
      +4
      Both of them have already reached the physical limit.

      Yah? Well, name it (limit) in the linpack. Judging by the comments taught you ....
      1. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 13 July 2018 19: 15
        +1
        For semiconductors, yes. And this is not my opinion. On optics, - this is how much more with a smart look to cut and saw ... In any case, in our kingdom - the state.
        1. bk316
          bk316 13 July 2018 19: 51
          +5
          For semiconductors, yes

          Call the limit by linpak. Do not blah blah about "our state"
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 13 July 2018 21: 26
            +1
            May Shurum-Burum not be offended at me, that I will allow you to answer. Massively parallel architecture implies that for processing large amounts of information, computers are combined into a system of parallel problem solving. The same thing happens in the computer itself that each processor has its own processor, and then their work is also parallelized. This is the basis for the conclusion that, in the first place, there has been no analysis either. In general, it’s worth understanding what analysis is and I’ll explain that analysis is the principle of taking into account all possible variations of combinations and choosing only that particular solution that corresponds to the algorithm of the conjugate process. In addition, all other variant events are also transformed by their own algorithms and all events form a fractal radial space interactions. To make it easier for you, take your body as an example, which forms a local space expressed by its shape and processes of interaction with the external environment and each particle and organ form a system interconnected into a single functional organism. Therefore, when we talk about a system built on a massively parallel architecture, this is not a system of analytical information processing in order to obtain optimal solutions in the variety of their possible particularities. Based on this, we are positioning precisely the system of analytical processing of big data in one machine and one processor
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 13 July 2018 21: 32
              +1
              I will continue on rocket engines based on a device called a turbo-fuel supercharger. Its performance on the design that takes place is very limited, which means that it is impossible to knead such volumes of passed fuel in order to increase the total useful mass during take-off. Therefore, it is necessary to overcome the thresholds of destruction of the structural principle of the arrangement of the turbine blades embedded in the design. In general, it needs to be explained a lot to describe the complexity of the processes. All this implies the physical limit of computational technology in mathematics and in turbine design. And in order to propose something new it is necessary to understand the reasons for this physical boundary
            2. SHURUM -BURUM
              SHURUM -BURUM 14 July 2018 06: 45
              +1
              Thank you, gridasov, for the comment, but it doesn’t contain anything new to increase productivity and create mega-computers by combining computing power and parallelizing tasks. By combining, you can create a computer the size of a workshop (it already exists), a factory, a city ... But this is not progress and not a breakthrough into a fundamentally new one. The thing is that for microelectronics only the aforementioned concentration and parallelization remain. And gentlemen - officials felt the field for their work - to enlarge, unite, divide and regulate. That's why I am dejected that having received a position in Roskomos, Rogozin took up not computers, but computers. To unite, divide and regulate is closer. And in Rosatom, too, apparently all the problems have been resolved, since they decided to write off working hours on computers. This is the paradox.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 14 July 2018 11: 21
                0
                I confess that I am not much interested in bureaucratic games. What interests me is precisely mathematical problems that can be applied instead of massively parallel constructions. And the task of microelectronics in the field of direct conversion of the value of a number into email. We believe that magnetic impulses are capable of solving. Then mathematical principles very easily interfaced with real processes in email. magnetic conversion devices. People simply do not understand that the discovery of the function of constant value of a number opens up incredible opportunities in the analysis of large, not just data, but their transformation processes.
  20. Simon
    Simon 13 July 2018 19: 09
    +1
    Well what friends! We will put Europe and the Americans in their place, free ourselves from foreign computer addiction, create our own, the best that no one else has! wink
  21. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 July 2018 19: 14
    0
    Quote: bk316
    He will buy the Zeon pack on the 775th,

    Know what the joke is Yuri.
    That is exactly what he will do.
    It’s just no other way - massive parallel architecture, you know. wink
    All supercomputers are doing it now.

    But what about the Elbrus? Have your brains really started? All flowed to the West?
    1. bk316
      bk316 13 July 2018 19: 53
      +2
      Elbrus were not massively parallel computers.
      Since then, the concept of the supercomputer has changed.
      If in 2 words, now this is a huge number of identical blocks on conventional processors connected by a high-performance network.
      1. 3vs
        3vs 13 July 2018 20: 29
        +2
        Or maybe Elbrus processors, for example, Elbrus-8С, were meant?
        http://www.mcst.ru/elbrus-8c
    2. bk316
      bk316 13 July 2018 20: 27
      +2
      By the way, yes, much has flowed. Now basically come back. But I didn’t leave anywhere. bully
      1. 3vs
        3vs 13 July 2018 20: 37
        +1
        It’s good that not everyone is leaking! laughing
        Interestingly, T-Platforms are considering the implementation of the same "Elbrus-8С"
        in creating supercomputers?
        1. Alexander War
          Alexander War 13 July 2018 20: 50
          +1
          The 16-core Elbrus-16SV microprocessor may become the basis for the creation of the domestic Elbrus-16SV supercomputer, which is currently at the creation stage. The chipset will be the sixth generation of Elbrus architecture; it will be manufactured using 16-nm technology. The approximate timeline for launching it in production is 2021.

          Characteristics of the Elbrus 16SV microprocessor:
          Performance: up to 1500 Gflops;
          Number of cores: 16;
          Clock frequency: 2 GHz;
          Non-inclusive cache (L2 + L3): 40 MB;
          RAM: DDR4, four channels (up to 102 GB / s);
          Interfaces: PCIe 3.0, 1/10 Gb Ethernet, SATA 3.0, USB3.0 and others;
          Power Consumption: 100 W;
          Number of transistors: 6 billion;
          Crystal Area: 400 mm2;
          Other: the ability to combine up to four micro-processors on a common memory.
          1. 3vs
            3vs 13 July 2018 22: 06
            0
            We lag behind a bit, the main thing is that the processors are not at the price of an atomic bomb ...
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 13 July 2018 22: 13
              -1
              And not made in Taiwan
              1. bk316
                bk316 16 July 2018 13: 43
                +1
                And not made in Taiwan

                This is not essential.

                And yes they are going to, but it’s too early to talk about it yet. What really is a supercomputer.
          2. Topgun
            Topgun 13 July 2018 22: 57
            0
            funny, quite a while ago on Habré I somehow met the comments of an allegedly employee of the company, he talked about "import substitution": even before the sanctions, they bought a factory at 85 or 65 nm (I don’t remember), and there they already did it, here, from his words “the Russian energy in those processors was only electricity, I even had to buy water of the required purity for the operation of the units” and they just worked at some research institute to “import substitute” water at least ...
          3. Topgun
            Topgun 13 July 2018 23: 04
            0
            and sanctions will not prevent you from buying equipment for 16nm process technology? or do it in Taiwan?
            IMHO for the military and 65nm is enough, and for office needs from teachers to secretaries of officials ...
            Of course, if you think about nanorobots, the "tip of progress", etc. then even 16nm is not enough - now they are mastering 7nm, but you still need to be realistic - the "Western partners" will not share advanced knowledge ...
  22. Andrey Grinberg
    Andrey Grinberg 13 July 2018 19: 23
    +1
    Well, you Russians are complete losers, you are mental losers, you will never succeed. Nothing has happened yet, but you have already lost, you groan, everything will be bad. There is no self-confidence in you, which means you are doomed.
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 13 July 2018 19: 33
      +1
      Why are you judging a bunch of aching losers for all Russians? There are only 10-20 people who always whine. Out of 147 milions.
    2. Alexander War
      Alexander War 13 July 2018 19: 37
      +3
      laughing Latvian Kurva, you don’t know anything and haven’t created anything!
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 13 July 2018 20: 18
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Grinberg
      Well, you Russians are complete losers, you are mental losers, you will never succeed

      Wow, the consultant psychologist drew :)))
      Quote: Andrey Grinberg
      There is no self-confidence in you, which means you are doomed.

      And what does faith in yourself have to do with it, I would like to know? :))) We very much believe in ourselves :))) We do not have faith in Rogozin :))))
      In general, before yelling "losers" you would ... try to think about what you are writing, it will be a very useful and unusual experience for you :)))
    4. gridasov
      gridasov 13 July 2018 21: 39
      +1
      Cool said and appropriate. I also encounter to a greater extent those who are in a hurry to answer for everyone, but something leads me towards Russia, and I do not resist. For all the Will of the Almighty. However, everything is so ghostly and fleeting in this world that you only understand that the ways of the Lord are inscrutable. The most interesting thing is that people in their pride are funny and create their own future. However, a handful of self-confident proud people do not determine the whole people
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 13 July 2018 23: 03
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Grinberg
      Well, you Russians are complete losers, you are mental losers, you will never succeed. Nothing has happened yet, but you have already lost, you groan, everything will be bad. There is no self-confidence in you, which means you are doomed.

      recourse recourse not with your flag to write such pompous speeches !!! what wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
    6. krasin
      krasin 14 July 2018 15: 47
      0
      Quote: Andrey Grinberg
      Well, you Russians are complete losers, you are mental losers, you will never succeed. Nothing has happened yet, but you have already lost, you groan, everything will be bad. There is no self-confidence in you, which means you are doomed.

      No moan, that’s what we Rogozin encourage to make things move.
  23. Alexander War
    Alexander War 13 July 2018 19: 27
    +1
    And the OS is all 100% Lunux. laughing T-Platforms and OS Astra Linux created did not know laughing
    1. bk316
      bk316 13 July 2018 20: 03
      +2
      T-Platforms and OS Astra Linux created did not know

      You are a young man, go get the materiel, I don’t want to lose time to lose you.

      On Lomonosov it’s not Astra Linux (and it couldn’t stand on a computer with such aster architecture) ClustrX OS is there.

      And I’ll tell you in confidence that at the moment Baikal-Electronics is a subsidiary of T-platforms, only to has no relation to supercomputers yet.
      Because I will repeat all the super top 50 on Xeon, and the OS - Linux is only very specific.


      In general, I wonder at the people arguing for something else. Have you ever seen a supercomputer live?
      Do you even understand what they are now investing in this concept? And I program on it, and so on by the way, and have some relation to its creation. And lomonosov is located where once my work table stood feel
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 13 July 2018 20: 09
        +1
        I’m talking about what our supercomputers are all on Xeon Intel!
        1. bk316
          bk316 13 July 2018 20: 25
          +2
          Do you know how to read?
          I wrote at the very beginning
          1. Your “only Baikal Electronics can work” has nothing to do with the article, because (so far) it does not deal with supercomputers. A t-platform gathered Lomonosov, who is in the top 50 WORLD and this is not bad.
          2. That the majority of massively parallel computers in the world are built on Xeon and this is absolutely not important. You can collect at least on stumps at least on baikals, just on stumps it is more familiar and probably cheaper. The warriors will order a computer on baikals or on elbrus
          It will make t-platforms, but for now the entire top 50 of the Russian Federation is civilian - it makes no sense.

          Then goodbye.
      2. Alexander War
        Alexander War 13 July 2018 20: 19
        +1
        The main thing is that you are not mining with bitcoins. And then there were cases of nuclear engineers in Sarov caught mining bitcoins on a supercomputer.
      3. 3vs
        3vs 13 July 2018 20: 42
        0
        There people, hourly, during non-working hours of Lomonosov, do not breed Bitcoins? laughing
        And then, information ran through, in Sarov secretly on supercomputers mined ...
      4. gridasov
        gridasov 13 July 2018 21: 44
        0
        Then you should understand that the intelligent machine itself must choose the optimal solutions in the algorithm, regardless of the input data array, you are programming tasks and its work. At the same time, with enormous energy consumption and the quantitative parameters you are proud of, they are negligible to be called big data.
        1. zed042
          zed042 14 July 2018 03: 11
          0
          let's include chaos theory here.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 14 July 2018 11: 24
            0
            You see chaos, this is a system of interactions in an unstable energy state and striving to adopt a state of stable interactions. Therefore, to call chaos the processes of local interactions is very wrong. Everything has its dimensions, the levels of interactions and the orientation of the transformation process. This is no longer chaos
  24. Amitryakin
    Amitryakin 13 July 2018 19: 54
    0
    He will at least bring to the end ...
  25. NKVD
    NKVD 13 July 2018 19: 54
    +2
    Wherever the hand of a democrat touches, everything turns into shit.
  26. Voenoboz
    Voenoboz 13 July 2018 19: 59
    0
    No need to take on personalities just the system is lame because failures are everywhere.
  27. sabotage
    sabotage 13 July 2018 20: 11
    +4
    Dmitry Rogozin will take on supercomputers

    It would be better to take bare wires.
  28. Samara_63
    Samara_63 13 July 2018 20: 52
    +1
    To begin with, let the CPC put things in order. There are beggarly salaries ... The CPC was turned into a department for training deputies ...
  29. Million
    Million 13 July 2018 21: 13
    +1
    But Rogozin understands something in this? Maybe better let him work in the specialty?
    1. sxfRipper
      sxfRipper 14 July 2018 00: 25
      0
      Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria in atomic physics also did not understand a damn thing. But he was able to organize those who understand (about sharashka-this is to the liberals). Is Rogozin capable of such a thing - I doubt it ...
      Threat - about the specialty of Rogozin. Once Zhirinovsky asked Shandybin - and who do you work with?
      1. Million
        Million 14 July 2018 08: 45
        +1
        If a person has brains and abilities, then he will succeed in any field of activity. This does not apply to Rogozin, so let him work better in his specialty
  30. 123456789
    123456789 13 July 2018 21: 16
    +2
    “Wisdom makes people timid, and therefore at every turn you see wise men living in poverty, hunger, dirt and neglect, everywhere you meet only contempt and hatred. Money is swimming toward fools, they are in their hands the helm of government and generally prosper in every way. ”

    Erasmus Rotterdam
  31. alex007i
    alex007i 13 July 2018 23: 14
    +1
    It is enough to recall how he flew to Moldova, we do not need such IT specialists.
    Why is this person still in power, absurd.
    1. zed042
      zed042 14 July 2018 03: 09
      +1
      Chubais is still alive.
      here is the answer.
  32. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 14 July 2018 00: 22
    0
    Supercomputer based on components resistant to electromagnetic radiation. We take the good old 6H1P, ferrite rings, a bay of copper wire, one of the still unassembled ZIL cases. Rzhaka, yes ... Nakoy horseradish mix red and sour, and ???
    1. zed042
      zed042 14 July 2018 03: 07
      0
      it will not work
  33. asv363
    asv363 14 July 2018 01: 20
    0
    Within the framework of various organizational structures, the enterprise has been operating since the beginning of the 50s. The result of activity during this period was the creation of several generations of original computers. So, in the 60s, the Vesna computer was developed and introduced with record-breaking productivity at that time.

    By the way, there were regular trips to Baikonur.
  34. zed042
    zed042 14 July 2018 03: 05
    0
    When will the bright future come (many mats), when will the shit be removed from the top?
  35. Brigadier
    Brigadier 14 July 2018 03: 15
    0
    In particular, the issue of increasing the capacity of supercomputers, which could be achieved by combining the creative and industrial potentials of Rosatom and Roskosmos, was discussed.
    Now it’s clear where part of the money will go after cutting funds from the "pension reform" ...
    Long live our supercomputers, the largest and slowest supercomputers in the world!
  36. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 July 2018 04: 50
    +4
    "D. Rogozin will take on supercomputers ..." ,, Woe "to supercomputers! crying He has already taken up space ... belay
  37. Snail N9
    Snail N9 14 July 2018 07: 07
    +2
    I don’t understand how to use the trampoline in a supercomputer ..... sad
  38. Suharik.inline
    Suharik.inline 14 July 2018 10: 47
    +1
    Super computer yes ...........
    You know, of course, I don’t know how much things are going on in this area in Russia, but I think it’s not very good, just don’t need to say that Elbrus is a proraditor of intel processors.
    While in our apartments in 99.9 cases it is worth intel / amd talking about super computers too early. Yes, we probably can do something, but alas, there is not much in this industry.
    This is the process and the cost of the product, they are just terrible. This industry needs to be dealt with, and not just suck money from the budget.
    It's my opinion.
  39. Berkut24
    Berkut24 14 July 2018 10: 56
    0
    What have our journalists not yet taken up? This is the third misfortune in the technological field after lawyers and economists.
  40. Calabi Yau
    Calabi Yau 14 July 2018 11: 03
    0
    Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
    Computers have the same story as rocket engines. Both of them have already reached the physical limit. Do your favorite thing, gentlemen. Chase neutrons through the accelerator, make trampolines, saw, finally ... But do not poke around there that you have not been taught.

    Who will drive the neutrons in the accelerator?) They are also NEUTRONs in order not to be able to interact with the field)
  41. Calabi Yau
    Calabi Yau 14 July 2018 11: 11
    0
    Quote: Suharik.inline
    Super computer yes ...........
    You know, of course, I don’t know how much things are going on in this area in Russia, but I think it’s not very good, just don’t need to say that Elbrus is a proraditor of intel processors.
    While in our apartments in 99.9 cases it is worth intel / amd talking about super computers too early. Yes, we probably can do something, but alas, there is not much in this industry.
    This is the process and the cost of the product, they are just terrible. This industry needs to be dealt with, and not just suck money from the budget.
    It's my opinion.

    Forgive my tactlessness, but why so many grammatical errors?
  42. iouris
    iouris 14 July 2018 11: 36
    0
    And how many children does Rogozin have?
  43. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 July 2018 16: 07
    0
    Rogozin and the Swiss, and the reaper, and the dude on the pipe? And also a journalist.
  44. B-15
    B-15 15 July 2018 22: 53
    0
    I read the comments. Most nonsense, not related to the article. This is my private opinion.
    Let's get down to business.
    Rogozin was thrown at Roskosmos. What the hell is going on in the industry? The military-industrial complex with Rogozin at least somehow began to live. There are the latest types of weapons. So there is an effect from his work.
    The one who does nothing is not mistaken. And Rogozin was responsible for the result. And he is.
    Now about the article.
    Rogozin agreed with the UNIVERSAL center in Russia, where they can, know, and MAKE the best super in Russia.
    Baikal T1 is generally not a processor for super. T-Platforms do not know how to make real super. None of their top-end ones at the time of the creation of super worked immediately at full capacity. Lomonosov could not work by definition at all and handed over his parts.
    If we talk about the main news from the article, then it will finally be created on-board computers of the desired performance. And this will be able to close a large hole in our space program.
    Let's begin to judge the results of such a meeting in 4-5 years.
    Everything said is my personal. If someone doesn’t like it, then you can criticize. But I have an opinion based on many years of interest in super.