Poroshenko-Europe: And you can buy gas immediately on the Russian border ...

July 13 2018

Petro Poroshenko, who is at the NATO summit in Brussels, commented on the situation with the procurement of Russian gas. According to Poroshenko, Ukraine "is part of Europe", and therefore gas purchases from Russia on the Ukrainian-Russian border could be effective. The President of Ukraine said that such a method of acquiring gas from the Russian Federation "would have removed all insinuations" and "would have helped to prevent the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline harmful for Europe".

Poroshenko:

Today I want to point out that Nord Stream-2 threatens the security of Europe. Why spend tens of billions of dollars to make the European economy less efficient, less competitive, and the EU's energy policy more dependent on the Russian Federation?

Thus, Poroshenko’s proposal consists of what was previously discussed in an expert environment: selling gas to Europe almost immediately on the Russian border. Why is this idea now Petro Poroshenko suddenly picked up? The fact is that in this case the Europeans will have to invest fairly in the Ukrainian gas transmission system to ensure sustainable transit from the borders of Russia. This would save the Ukrainian GTS, the future of which is now in big question.

Recall that a few weeks ago Europe was visited by the head of the Lviv city administration and the leader of the “Self-help” party, Andrei Sadovy. He suggested that the Europeans actually acquire the Ukrainian “pipe” into ownership in order to ensure the transit of gas from Russia through the territory of Ukraine. Poroshenko, apparently, decided that he was bypassed politically, and therefore voiced virtually the same idea from the NATO tribune.

Europeans think. Nord Stream-2 is being built.

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volot-voin 13 July 2018 08: 02
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Poroshenko is thinking about a backup airfield. That would not break like a tazik heating pad. And before that, the IMF wants to grab another tranche.
About Nord Stream-2, I would be worried in its place too))))).
1. MPN 13 July 2018 08: 18
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  Quote: volot-voin
  Poroshenko is thinking about a backup airfield. That would not break like a tazik heating pad.
  
  I don’t know why then they agreed to sell on such terms, I immediately had to use the Russian border on the DAF terms, but now you don’t steal from us, so I was going to steal from them ..
  1. Logall 13 July 2018 08: 55
    
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    Quote: MPN
    Well, now you don’t steal from us, so I was going to steal from them ..
    
    Europeans think. Nord Stream-2 is being built.
    "Vaska the cat is listening ..."
    1. maxim947 13 July 2018 09: 43
      
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      The point is that when the SP-2 is launched, the entire gas transmission system of Ukraine will not be worthless as unnecessary. And relatively recently, there were buyers on it and were ready to pay a lot of money. So, due to their natural greed, they can be left with nothing at all)) (and most likely it will be), no money for transit, plus the lost profit for the GTS itself, which, in turn, after stopping, will be blown away scrap metal.
      Therefore, Petya "matured" in order for gas to be bought directly at the border, so that, as the author correctly noted, it was possible to sell the entire GTS and grab at least something. Although Gazprom offered him this several times, but then the toad choked)
      1. 72jora72 13 July 2018 10: 19
        
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        The point is that when the SP-2 is launched, the entire gas transmission system of Ukraine will not be worthless as unnecessary.
        Well, why, you can cut the pipe, and sell it to Turkey for scrap.
      2. abc_alex 13 July 2018 20: 34
        
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        What customers are you talking about? For 10 years, Ukraine has been trying to attract someone to its GTS. And all the time unsuccessfully. The only one who was interested in it was Gazprom, but it was refused many years ago. For Europe, the Ukrainian GTS is not needed; it needs gas. Only gas. With minimal overhead. Ukraine has previously proposed gas sales schemes on the Russian border, but this has never interested Europe. There are also no boobies and they know how to count money. It is much more profitable to blame transportation costs on the supplier. Moreover, the price of pipeline gas is calculated using a formula that does not take into account transit.
        There is also a subtlety: now in the Ukrainian NTS there is not European, but Russian gas and all losses or theft is damage not to Europe but to Russia. And if you sell gas at the other border, then Russia will not suffer losses. Who? :)
        Europe always said: “not me,” and considered only a scheme in which Ukraine bought gas at the border with Russia and then resold it to the EU. And perhaps it would have worked, the "association" and the Maidan had just begun.
        So no one needs a twilight ukrov pipe and no one was going to take it. Moreover, they have proclaimed them at the legislative level as a national treasure and are not subject to sale.
  2. bolt 13 July 2018 11: 00
    
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    DAF is for wheeled vehicles, and there is none right now. Since 2010 - only DAT.
    Or do you offer to carry gas tanks. It will be cooler than tankers.
    And if the pipe - FOB or CIF. Ports are pumping stations. Our last and their first.
    Just not interesting. Any corporation wants to control everything. From production to marketing.
    Gazprom is no exception. From the well to the burner. Normal strategy. Control of consumption and retail prices. That's what European and American competitors are so afraid of.
    And Ukraine is the usual force majeure. Not the most terrible, by the way.
    Finished Nord Stream-2 and the problem will be solved.
    The obtuse "partner" will be brought a pistol with one cartridge.
    For such additional money spent, their heads were torn off at all times and in all countries.
    It always has been and always will be.
  3. your1970 13 July 2018 14: 12
    
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    Quote: MPN
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    Poroshenko is thinking about a backup airfield. That would not break like a tazik heating pad.
    
    I don’t know why then they agreed to sell on such terms, I immediately had to use the Russian border on the DAF terms, but now you don’t steal from us, so I was going to steal from them ..
    -Well, the buyers weren’t fools-they knew that Ukraine would dig + money for transit then they would have to pay ...
2. siberalt 13 July 2018 08: 18
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  Miller has long offered an option to buy gas on the Russian-Ukrainian border. Yes, only the Europeans did not want Ukraine to dig their gas and constantly raise the price of transportation.
  1. Yrec 13 July 2018 09: 47
    
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    Gee-gee, Poroshenko wants to sell his GTS, and the one who comes after him will nationalize her again. Just a fabulous business plan! Just something tells me, Powder will not work out ... "Western partners", otherwise the SP-2 would not be built.
  2. bk316 13 July 2018 13: 47
    
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    Miller has long offered
    
    As I understand it, he also wants to sell the GTS, so that there are no attempts to steal.
    Well, grab yourself some of the money for the GTS, while it is still worth something, and then dump it.
    Really smart. You cannot refuse gunpowder in such a purely Khokhlyatsk mind as where to steal something and still have nothing to do with it. Problem 404, that such combinations pass until others understand who they are dealing with.
3. cniza 13 July 2018 08: 19
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  Europeans think. Nord Stream-2 is being built.
  
  So, with a quiet glander.
4. forester 13 July 2018 09: 39
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  Ha, ESekov considers himself foolish))) well, "self-help" to meet him))))
5. Nyrobsky 13 July 2018 09: 45
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  Quote: volot-voin
  And before that, the IMF wants to grab another tranche.
  
  The IMF Petke showed a three-finger figure and said “Deneh Nem,” before the birth of the anti-corruption law. He waited for European aid from day to day, but Europe, in the most vile way, postponed the allocation of a billion euro tranche until the fall.
  Quote: volot-voin
  About Nord Stream-2, I would be worried in its place too)
  
  So he is worried. Stupidly offering Europe to pay Urkaine for the transit of the same 2 Lard a year that Russia pays so far, the Urkaain Vlad demonstrates that it does not matter to her who will pay these 2 billion, the main thing is to pay.
evil partisan 13 July 2018 08: 07
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Along the way, Saltykov-Shchedrin, when he wrote his "Organ", already knew that such a pops as Poroshenko would be born ...
1. bouncyhunter 13 July 2018 08: 16
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  Hello to forest hooligans! Pig behaves like an old courtesan that no one wants to buy, as she does not offer.
  1. evil partisan 13 July 2018 08: 22
    
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    Quote: bouncyhunter
    forest hooligans
    
    Yes, I am the most intelligent person! Only 6 warnings!
    Hello to the brothers Belarusians!
    1. bouncyhunter 13 July 2018 08: 30
      
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      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Only 6 warnings!
      
      As for the bully, I take my words back.
      And Poros? He is as always: he will bustle and try to climb into the exhaust pipe of Europe without soap.
      1. Kuroneko 13 July 2018 08: 58
        
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        Poroshenko:
        Today I want to point out that Nord Stream-2 threatens the security of Europe. Why spend tens of billions of dollars to make the European economy less efficient, less competitive, and the EU's energy policy more dependent on the Russian Federation?
        
        I have another question here: he didn’t try to make his own (well, Soviet, but oh well) GTS for a start less messy? For its overhaul, more money will be spent than laying SP-2. ~~About associated gas theft - of course, no, no.~~
        
        bouncyhunter 13 July 2018 09: 02
        
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        Quote: Kuroneko
        he his (well, Soviet, but oh well) GTS for a start did not try to make less leaky?
        
        Of course not . He can only fill his pocket, not cough up. So the idea of repairing hydraulic structures at the expense of the EU is in / in Ukraine.
        
        Kuroneko 13 July 2018 09: 12
        
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        He can only fill his pocket, not cough up.
        
        Well, in fairness, it’s worth mentioning a 20-minute photo shoot with Trump for 600 (or at least 400) of raccoons killed. After all, maybe if he wants! ~~Watch from 3:18 on the topic of the photo shoot.~~
        
        Terenin 13 July 2018 09: 46
        
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        Quote: Kuroneko
        Well, in fairness, it’s worth mentioning a 20-minute photo shoot with Trump for 600 (or at least 400) of raccoons killed.
        
        One feels for such conclusions about the policy of Ukraine, this guy has already hidden himself in an unknown cellar with food. It won’t work out before the election, otherwise it will be in the basement without food
        
        Kuroneko 13 July 2018 10: 11
        
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        Well, actually it's a banter. But it is quite delivering and much better than the official news dullness. AND! Cool rapper from Lyashko do not want to listen? Really delivers. From 9:28
        He really is steep. Take a moment.
        
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        It won’t work out before the election, otherwise it will be in the basement without food
        
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        Terenin 13 July 2018 15: 54
        
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        He's really cool. Take a moment.
        
        Thank you, a really interesting country this outskirts
        
        major147 13 July 2018 12: 21
        
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        By the way!
        In the coming days, two Russian tankers will arrive in the Chinese port of Jiangsu Zhudong, which will deliver the first batch of liquefied natural gas to the PRC from the Yamal-LNG facilities under a long-term contract. This is a significant event: for the first time, Russian raw materials will be transported to China without icebreaking support along the Northern Sea Route.
        According to experts, the beginning of regular trading on the NSR has begun, and the significance of this route will only grow.
        
        Kuroneko 13 July 2018 12: 34
        
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        Gut, cho. But LNG for us has always been and will be "on a residual basis." This is a kind of counter-competition to competitors, so as not to hobble and always remember that Russia can play in this market. Pipes are our everything.
  2. cniza 13 July 2018 08: 23
    
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    Good time to all! , came out at the courtesan expiration date.
    1. bouncyhunter 13 July 2018 08: 27
      
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      Hi Victor!
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      left the courtesan expiration date
      
      So its time to landfill or disposal, as is customary in Europe.
      1. cniza 13 July 2018 08: 35
        
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        Therefore, they say it is cheaper to buy a new one, in this case the pipe - Nord Stream 2.
      2. Alexanast 13 July 2018 09: 54
        
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        So it's time to landfill
        
        Pasha ...
        Yes, shoot, so as not to suffer ... And the cause of the land ...
        
        bouncyhunter 13 July 2018 09: 57
        
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        Hi Sasha !
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        Yes, shoot, so as not to suffer ...
        
        So apparently no one wants to get dirty ...
        
        Alexanast 13 July 2018 09: 58
        
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        Apparently, it is so ... But there must be a limit someday ..
2. siberalt 13 July 2018 08: 25
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  Under socialism, Saltykov-Shchedrin, which was included in the school curriculum, was not very clear, like the Chekhov Cherry Orchard. But now, under Russian undercapitalism, their works seem to be documentary. Somehow it is correctly said that being determines consciousness.
  1. Kuroneko 13 July 2018 09: 38
    
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    It's funny (although you can argue about the Cherry Orchard ... The White Guard would probably have come up here - but this has not been studied in the obligatory essno).
    And here I am, at one time, I was the only one from the class who wanted and made a report on Mayakovsky (which saved a lot of nerves for our Russian language teacher, because a report on any classic approved by the Ministry of Education was necessary). But I mean, after all this 20+ year-old game of democracy and capitalism, Mayakovsky also begins to be perceived in a completely different way (although he then and now was and remains my favorite poet).
    1. PalBor 13 July 2018 10: 33
      
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      Quote: Kuroneko
      It's funny (although you can argue about the Cherry Orchard ... The White Guard would probably have come up here - but this has not been studied in the obligatory essno).
      
      No, "Cherry Orchard" is also relevant. Just about our liberal intelligentsia. They consider themselves the focus of intelligence and culture, they talk a lot, they criticize everyone, they teach life, they are not capable of anything creative.
      When, finally, they dumped, Firsa (people) - forgot.
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        Quote: PalBor
        Just about our liberal intelligentsia. Consider themselves the focus of intelligence and culture
        
        Let's give the floor to the classics:
        
        http://igorskalin.ru/intelligenciya-govno-nacii-p
        ochemu
      2. Sheridan 14 July 2018 15: 39
        
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        Yeah. Especially - "I will work."
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    Under socialism, Saltykov-Shchedrin, which was included in the school curriculum, was not very clear, like the Chekhov Cherry Orchard. But now, under Russian undercapitalism, their works seem to be documentary. Somehow it is correctly said that being determines consciousness.
    
    a person quickly gets used to the good ... as a result of this flaw, it requires something more ... and after losing the good that he did not value, screams begin !!!
Altona 13 July 2018 08: 10
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And on the verge of yaee paaaku-pat cheaper, ik, patamushta duty free, ik. I’m always packing there.
PS Well, what? The logic is clear.
1. Vard 13 July 2018 08: 25
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  It’s not only cheaper ... but there’s no stove too ... I mean that Ukrainians not only threw gas, but they also used heavy air ...
cobalt 13 July 2018 08: 13
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I think Germany will figure out whether it needs a northern stream or not without this great adviser.
venik 13 July 2018 08: 14
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"..... Poroshenko: Today I want to note that Nord Stream-2 threatens the security of Europe ......."
I didn’t understand, but where was the "shit" ?????
Dormidont 13 July 2018 08: 19
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Waltzman is such an undertaker
Non liberoid Russian 13 July 2018 08: 19
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Yes, no one will ever invest in hydraulic structures on the outskirts ... it is not profitable because of the horses, they give more risks than all other reasons taken together
1. major147 13 July 2018 12: 23
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  Yes, no one will ever invest in hydraulic structures on the outskirts ... it is not profitable because of the horses, they give more risks than all other reasons taken together
  
  And the future of the outskirts is very foggy ...
Altona 13 July 2018 08: 27
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Quote: bouncyhunter
Pig behaves like an old courtesan

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Just boasted that he prepared Trump for a meeting with Putin. I wonder how?
1. venik 13 July 2018 08: 31
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  Quote: Altona
  Just boasted that he prepared Trump for a meeting with Putin.
  
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  What? Really "petroleum jelly"presented ?????
2. bouncyhunter 13 July 2018 08: 33
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  Eugene
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  I wonder how?
  
  There is already a flight of fantasy in moderation ~~promiscuity~~ education.
Masya masya 13 July 2018 08: 27
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So merkel faucet in the hands of gunpowder and gave ... let him hold the pocket wider ...
Horon 13 July 2018 08: 28
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They used to blackmail Russia with gas supplies, since gas delivery was stipulated by the contract, now they want to put Europe in a piquant pose, and even for their own investments! I can’t wait for this event!
Mountain shooter 13 July 2018 08: 28
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Why, Trump DOESN'T NEED either Nord Stream-2 or Ukrainian Transit ... He needs to STOP the transit. GTS of Ukraine will die a natural death, and Nord Stream-2 must be stopped ... If possible
demo 13 July 2018 08: 29
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Europeans think. Nord Stream-2 is being built.
I certainly do not know exactly what Europeans think.
But it will not be difficult for me to guess what they thought when Poroshenko voiced his enchanting nonsense, designed for downs and juvenile nonsense.
I could write. But I'm afraid to get an eternal ban.
sleeve 13 July 2018 08: 30
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Slowly slowly, but pragmatism takes hold of the masses. Even amorphous. Come on, Petyunya, further in the same vein. From there you will hang down as much as you need. Well, there they pile on tolerantly, according to the moment. And SP-2 is inevitable, like a demobilization or the victory of communism. Another such year, and cheap Russian gas will not fit even into two lines of the joint venture even without “settling” Ukraine from the feeder. So wherever you throw, a good idea. But I'm afraid the Europeans will not buy it.
K-50 13 July 2018 08: 31
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Why spend tens of billions of dollars

You might think from his pocket.
EU energy policy more dependent on the Russian Federation?

What is so Russian gas, that way, nothing will change. The only thing is that the layer of urkain from the number of transit countries disappears, which will favorably affect the reliability of supplies.
party leader "Self-help"

At first, in a cursory reading, I read "impostors." I was surprised, looked closely, read it correctly, but I think the first option is not far from the truth, everything is according to Freud.
Hottabych 13 July 2018 08: 32
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Nonsense!
No specifics! When? On what terms?
The pipe remains in love in Ukraine, with all the consequences. Therefore, he does not offer anything new, but only brings even greater discord to Europe. It seems to me that they just hate him there ...
1. venik 13 July 2018 09: 09
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  The pipe remains in love in Ukraine, with all the consequences.
  
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  And "it follows from this that the" Ukrainian pipe "- looks like a" pipe ".... Yes, and to Ukraine itself - it looks like - ALSO !!!!
parusnik 13 July 2018 08: 33
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Late Petka, filed a knife ...
sgr291158 13 July 2018 08: 50
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Again, the nonsense suffered, what does Nord Stream-2 and the security of Europe have to do with it. He just has brains, or there is a gorilka gurgling.
Altona 13 July 2018 08: 54
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So merkel faucet in the hands of gunpowder and gave ...

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In the sense? To self-satisfied with his faucet?
solzh 13 July 2018 09: 42
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Parashenko, as always, in his favorite hangover role carries complete nonsense.
What could be the danger of direct deliveries to Germany? None. In 2014, we did not block gas for them for imposing sanctions, and now we will never block them (unless the war begins).
rotmistr60 13 July 2018 09: 59
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Why spend tens of billions of dollars to make the European economy less efficient, less competitive
When your pocket remains aloof and empty with the construction of Nord Stream-2, you can speculate that it is "more efficient and more economical." In Europe, cunning in relation to their economy does not pass, because they can count money. But the Ukrainian president, with each new speech, backed up by stupid proposals, is not only bored with the EU, but also disgusted. To teach Europeans how to live from a country that is rolling downhill is how much arrogance and abuse of patience his faces are needed.
Bakht 13 July 2018 10: 12
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This proposal was voiced by the Russian Federation during the time of Yushchenko and the first gas war. At the same time, there was a suggestion that Gazprom would buy the gas transportation system of Ukraine and pump gas directly to Europe. Ukraine categorically refused. I remember the statements on the forums and in the Verkhovna Rada. "The GTS is the sacred cow of Ukraine and it will not be passed on to anyone."
Now that no one needs the GTS, Poroshenko graciously decided to hand it over to the Europeans. GazProm will not succeed.
But even in the time of Yushchenko and now, Europe does not need such a generous gift. Then, besides Ukraine, Europe also refused. To buy gas at the border of the Russian Federation-Ukraine means to take all the risks of supply. And then in Stockholm then to whom to file claims? To Ukraine?
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Discuss Poroshenko's nonsense about a more or less efficient economy does not even make sense. Selling without an intermediary has always been more profitable for both the buyer and seller. And getting rid of Russian gas addiction is easy. Very easy. Buy in other places. If the whole president of the country does not understand market relations, then what is there to say. Yes, he is a billionaire. But .. in the bazaar when making a sale-purchase transaction, even a kilogram of potatoes, both parties to the transaction depend on each other.
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They can buy something ... but not the fact that they will receive in full, a certain part will evaporate during transportation ... and the worse things will be in Ukraine, the greater the amount of evaporation.
jncnfdybr 13 July 2018 10: 21
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And, what is it, Petya did not say that the entire gas transmission system of Ukraine is breathing at last.)
Ru_Na 13 July 2018 10: 23
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Poroshenko wants the Europeans to essentially repair and modernize the Ukrainian GTS at their own expense, and, as they say, arrogance simply knows no boundaries. But the EU is far from fools, they understand that Ukraine will not give up its gas transportation system, so why spend money on a rusty pipe if it will not be needed soon ?!
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Whatever you do, the great gasman, you are perceived as a hangover morning. All of Ukraine only lived on Deriban Russian gas, I remember when Grigyan-Kapitelman (Tymoshenko) signed gas with GDP at a price of 360 dollars per cubic meter in Konstantinovka, all glass and chemical plants became . And the boys (a native of Gorlovka, similar to Volker-Boyko) under Yanukovych seemed to buy this Russian gas from Europeans through offshore offices with a good income, but everyone was afraid to raise gas for individual chemical plants (Gorlovsky Stirol, which under Tymoshenko as strategic received a discount.) As a result, the styrene national enterprise becomes bankrupt and the yanyka accountants sell it to Firtash for joy worthy of the country's flagship chemical industry. Waltzman (Poroshenko, by his mother)) as a member of the Party of Regions and a personal friend of Prime Minister Azarov, he could only envy because he was far from gas. And now he decided to gazanut to inflate Europeans with a scary phrase for them - the border of Ukraine and D N R
bratchanin3 13 July 2018 12: 18
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It was not necessary for the Ukrainian idiots to quarrel with Russia, and so-they rake in full.
Dietmar 13 July 2018 12: 47
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But from the pipes of the Ukrainian gas pipeline, which will become unnecessary after the launch of SP-2, the Sumerians, the descendants of the ancient Sumerians, will be able to lay out a trident that can be seen from space. Aliens flying to earthlings on a visit, seeing this performance, deployed shafts shouting "Schucher, pan-herd!"
Servisinzhener 13 July 2018 12: 51
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We must do our utmost to make this initiative come true. Because this removes from us the problems of transit through Ukraine. And then let them even steal .....
XXXIII 13 July 2018 13: 05
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Poroshenko-Europe: And you can buy gas immediately on the Russian border ...
It sounds like the Russian Federation occupied SP2 and the whole of Europe, and only Ukraine knows how to buy gas in the Russian Federation .....
Goblin 13 July 2018 14: 16
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All of Poroshenko’s thoughts are amusing: GTS, Potok-2, a lot of problems .... A smart politician would give permission to build several more bases like Sevastopol’s, instead of squabbling with Russia, he allowed the installation of tracking stations and S-300/400 complexes, he entered with Russia into a single economic space, filling up with the work of Antonov, MotorSich and others. From such concessions, money was poured into the country's economy, and oil / gas was generally given free of charge. But no, they acted as clinical ones - exchanged all this for promises and cookies, simultaneously losing the Crimea and in fact the Donbass. Papuans, they even changed for beads, mirrors, flintlock guns, and these in fact received only a couple packs of cookies.
NF68 13 July 2018 17: 09
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Today I want to point out that Nord Stream-2 threatens the security of Europe. Why spend tens of billions of dollars to make the European economy less efficient, less competitive, and the EU's energy policy more dependent on the Russian Federation?

Strange "logic" - first we put the sticks in the wheels, and then we try to put everything upside down - Russian gas as it went to the EU and will go there. But when using the SP-2, there is no need for a transponder prone to whims like Ukraine. It is possible that some gas from Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan will be added to Russian gas supplied to the EU through the joint venture.
APASUS 13 July 2018 17: 54
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And I would suggest, in response to such news, Poroshenko to buy gas for Ukraine on the US spot of the Intercontinental Exchange. And everyone will be happy. Gas from America, it burns better and is the most democratic, but you have to pay for it! Here the Baltic states pays and even if they hang people for the Russian language there, they will always be democratic, because they pay!
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They are wise ... they forgot that the pipe is also good because it has a valve
icy 14 July 2018 18: 27
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“And you can buy gas immediately on the Russian border ...” - you will pay, and we will steal it.