To all who should - forgive! Ukraine refuses to pay its debts

Ukraine passed a law allowing Ukrainian defense enterprises not to pay debts to Russian companies. When voting in the Verkhovna Rada for the adoption of this law 244 parliamentarians with the necessary minimum of 226 votes. Thus, the enterprises of the state concern Ukroboronprom are exempt from paying debts and penalties to companies from Russia.

As stated in the explanatory note to the adopted law, the Ukrainian defense enterprises could not fulfill their obligations to supply military goods due to the introduction of sanctions by Ukraine against Russia. Russian companies, in spite of "force majeure circumstances", continue to demand through the courts the return of money paid in advance, debts, penalties and fines. According to the adopted law, it is now forbidden to collect and demand penalties from the Ukrainian defense industry companies, which should "the aggressor country", as well as forcibly collect debts.

After the adoption of the law by the Rada, he will go to sign the president of Ukraine, who will sign it in any case. The law will enter into force on the day after publication.

Interestingly, in Kiev they themselves imposed sanctions against Russia, they themselves broke off military-technical cooperation with it, called the imposition of their own sanctions "force majeure circumstances" and on the basis of them adopted a law prohibiting paying debts!

Comments

[katalonec2014]

One thieves and crooks!

[bouncyhunter]

Another trick of the cunning. They love to take, but not very much to give. They just forget that collectors can come to malicious defaulters and criticize for such behavior.

[Tatyana]

Ukraine is a bankrupt country. A Ukrainian junta in Kiev, like a cornered rat, rushes at its neighbor’s fellow - Russia and Russians - in order to extend the agony of its own puppet illegitimate state at the hands of its foreign "benefactors" in the West and their American mercenaries in Kiev: from Poroshenko, Nalyvaichenko, Turchinov, Parubiya, Yatsenyuk, Yarosh, Tymoshenko and many, many others.

[Tatyana]

Russia also needs to take its own steps. Only they should be comprehensive - not only in foreign policy, but, above all, in domestic politics. For the foreign and domestic policies of the state are closely interconnected.

First of all, in domestic policy, the Government of the Russian Federation Medvedev needs to abandon the holding in the country of its CRIMINAL and PROVOCATIONAL in essence the so-called pension reform with the concept of retirement age for old age. For nothing but political destabilization in the sense of exacerbating the social situation inside Russia - and, accordingly, undermining the authority of the liberal government of Putin as president of the Russian Federation in the geopolitical confrontation of Russia will not bring. With a country socially and politically blown up from the inside, no one counts.
At the same time, it is known that a whole flock of predator countries, from small to large, is already attacking the "wounded" country as an easy prey-victim.
And the bold and brazen refusal of Ukraine - as a bankrupt country - to pay the debts of Russia - this is all from the same "opera".
And with Western countries, Bandera Ukraine does not dare to protest on the payment of debts. And the junting government in Kiev will pay its western lenders with its Ukrainian lands, factories, as well as the blood and deaths of the Ukrainian people to the last child and soldier.

[Random]

Quote: Tatiana

Russia also needs to take steps

I would like to clarify, dear Tatyana, what do you mean by the term .. "Russia needs to be undertaken"?
But what about "friends", "brothers", "partners" and ... "buzines"?

Quote: Tatiana

undermining authority

Authority cannot be undermined .... either it exists .. or it does not exist ... but under "authority" is an ordinary fiction

[Stepan93]

Kissel-TV in the country is all guuud) Around the same time, VTsIOM found out that the share of Russians, who noted low living standards and wages as the most important problems for the country, had almost halved. Over the year, the percentage of respondents who noted this problem decreased from 26 to 14%. According to the survey, healthcare is still one of the most pressing problems in Russia, more than a quarter of respondents (28%) voted for it.

Russians also began to worry less about the size of pensions - 11% against 20% earlier. From 18 to 12% the proportion of respondents who noted the problem of unemployment decreased. The topic of inflation closes the list; it is called among the problems 3% of respondents against 10% a year ago.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/finances/13/07/2018/5b47f4f99a
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= news & utm_campaign = gism_top1

[maxim947]

They wouldn’t return anything already, now it has been legalized at the local level. In principle, nothing will change for us, we still need to throw lawsuits in various courts, even if it looks futile. And in the case of the resumption of trade relations (and this is a matter of time) in no case do not forget and forgive this mess.

[Piramidon]

Quote: maxim947

And in the case of the resumption of trade relations (and this is a matter of time) in no case do not forget and forgive this mess.

Nevertheless, trade between Russia and Ukraine is not declining, but even growing. What kind of "renewal" are you writing about?
https://ria.ru/economy/20180103/1512096245.html

[maxim947]

Do you think this growth was continuous? By renewal is meant the level of trade at the time of 2013-14. Export to Russia fell by 2013% compared to 76. So this growth

Between January and November 2017, trade between Russia and Ukraine grew by 28,6%

so far about nothing.

[Random]

Quote: maxim947

Do you think this growth was continuous?

But they didn’t ask themselves ... on which blades of the NV and completely RV are the Ukrainian Mi-8 and Mi-24 flying? Three plants in the whole world are engaged in their production

[maxim947]

Why such an irony? If you want to say something specifically, say it, and he blurted out from around the corner and eat ... he hid.
There is such a thing as self-eating technique, this is when 4 workers are made of 3 sets, then 2 and so on.

[Random]

Quote: maxim947

There is such a thing as self-eating technique, this is when 4 workers are made of 3 sets, then 2 and so on.

And about a term such as balancing did not hear? Interchangeability ... this is from a completely different area, and LRVs are not interchangeable.
So self-eating ... is from the series ... suicide
And blur while you ....

[maxim947]

Some emotions and nothing on the topic ...

[Random]

Quote: maxim947

Some emotions and nothing on the topic ...

Is everyone blown away? Have you even seen a helicopter from afar? To talk on "specific" topics?

[maxim947]

1. Theme about the debts of Ukraine, and here are your blades?
2. What prevents balancing the blades from the same type of helicopters, or do you think this is a big problem for Ukraine? At the same Vinnitsa repair plant? Or rather, on what remains ...
3. Stop being rude until you have been sent to hell. (For moderators, horseradish is understood as a plant)

[Kuroneko]

Well, it’s not without reason that it is said, “where one rook went, there is nothing for two Jews to do.”

[Alf]

Quote: bouncyhunter

They just forget that collectors can come to malicious defaulters and criticize for such behavior.

Who? "There are people too." Forgive and write off.

[volot-voin]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Another trick of the cunning. They like to take, but not very much to give. They just forget that collectors can come to malicious defaulters and criticize for such behavior

As soon as Poroshenko leaves, there will be another power in the republic, then we ourselves will forgive them all the debts, and we will give more money to catch up. Like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.

[Vard]

Beggar ... Now through the court it is necessary to arrest Ukrainian property abroad ...

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Vard

Beggars ...

Well, it’s not a fact that rogues, but if PARAShenka signs this law, then you can fit it into a bellie incident come and collect debts on the Danube)) heh heh we will see how this vinaigrette ends, hold the dill with both hands on the briefs of the trump heh heh

[major147]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Vard

Beggars ...

Well, it’s not a fact that rogues, but if PARAShenka signs this law, then you can fit it into a bellie incident come and collect debts on the Danube)) heh heh we will see how this vinaigrette ends, hold the dill with both hands on the briefs of the trump heh heh

These "debts on the Danube" then we will have to feed all our lives.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: major147

These "debts on the Danube" then we will have to feed all our lives.

then why the hell to us the Crimea and the Donbass - because we will feed all our life !!! Abkhazia and South Ossetia

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Vard

Now through the court it is necessary to arrest Ukrainian property abroad ...

here’s a problem with that ... they’re not just abroad, but already in Ukraine they don’t have much property. sold out everything.

[Dimontius]

Hmm ... in fact, it has long been clear, since the 14th, that recognizing power in dill, all debts are owed. Or were there optimists? With them, just like with gas, money ahead.

[sapporo1959]

However, three billion greens for some kind of guarantee threw Russia specifically. The age of retirement had to be raised so that the Russian trousers would support ... But we would give it now and like cheese in butter would be .. Here and give it to under the guarantee there are some sort of how Putin said iron ..

[major147]

Quote: sapporo1959

However, three billion greens for some kind of guarantee threw Russia specifically. The age of retirement had to be raised so that the Russian trousers would support ... But we would give it now and like cheese in butter would be .. Here and give it to under the guarantee there are some sort of how Putin said iron ..

You would sir for your pants worry about what Russia holds you.

[sapporo1959]

I thought you stayed in Koktebel for the second shift, but are you already with some kind of pants?

[volodya]

What do we want and turn back!

[Dormidont]

On that stood, stands, and will stand (which is unlikely) the land of the outskirts

[Rusj]

Yes, when this madness ends on Durkain, the country will be completely turned into a poor farm! Without Russian orders and cooperation with the military-industrial complex of Russia, the last factories and enterprises of Ukroboronprom that are still working will simply be closed. Such a scientific, technical and industrial base is simply destroyed by stupid Nazis and Russophobes. It is a pity this crazy and unfortunate people who live in the country of farmers fools.

[ver_]

... yes, from what hangover do you feel sorry for them .. that the Tatis are nocturnal - they’ll cut their throats for a penny .., from ancient times * the steppe at night * guarded - robbed everyone who walked on it at night, or settled down for the night .. Even the Turkish khan stole valuable horses — there was a lot of noise .., they hid in the Don caves ... Something mustache these same ancient Sumerians were ... Whoever has the knife is the master ..

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Rusj

Yes, when this madness ends on Durkain, the country will be completely turned into a poor farm! Without Russian orders and cooperation with the military-industrial complex of Russia, the last factories and enterprises of Ukroboronprom that are still working will simply be closed. Such a scientific, technical and industrial base is simply destroyed by stupid Nazis and Russophobes.

There is an external picture - these are articles and reports about BP, which makes such stupid decisions, about Ukrainians who hate Russians, but there is a quiet reality:

Quote: from an article on the RN website http://rusnext.ru/news/1531378982

The foreign trade turnover between Russia and Ukraine in January-May 2018 amounted to $ 5,838 billion, showing an increase of 28,7% in annual terms, according to the Federal Customs Service (FCS) of Russia.

What would it mean?

[Ksenia]

So it is necessary in response to adopt a law prohibiting the payment of Naftogaz.

[AUL]

First things first - to block the entrance of their Gaster and send already entered. And let them explain the piglet on the spot how wrong he is!

[Altona]

Will work without prepayment. There will be no prepayment, there will be no working capital for the procurement of materials and components. There will be no materials and components, there will be no marketable products. There will be no marketable products, there will be nothing to sell. The circle is closed! Great Peremoga. They’ve never killed anyone, they’ve sold nothing! Check and check, cotton!

[Zubr]

Sooner or later they will pay, but only with their territories, and the publishers of this law with real terms, to refine the taiga. As they say, how many rope do not curl ....

[ibnvladimir]

I recall the fate of the Turkish battleships ordered in England on the eve of the First World War.

[fif21]

Send farm laborers from Ukraine from Russia, and introduce a visa regime.

[sapporo1959]

All right! Uzbeks stand in line!

[Opera]

Uzbeks stand, Belarusians feel sorry!

[sapporo1959]

So Belarusians then what to regret? You should take off your pants in front of the Uzbeks in Moscow, but it’s still quiet with us ..

[Opera]

I regret the Russian people as the largest divided in the world! Including its part which has appeared in Belarus. You said something like that you are a Russian pensioner ... And of course, it’s not very convenient for me to teach a person older than me, however, I have to. Poking people is an indicator of bad manners often similar to rudeness! About to take off your pants in front of someone, it’s all for you, as an elderly person shouldn’t talk! I dare to notice if even you have such a destructive passion for Uzbeks, and it’s not about Uzbek women, keep your erotic fantasies to yourself! I don’t think that such intimate details from a pensioner will cause positive emotions in VO!)

[sapporo1959]

Erotic means not interested in, but only the fate of the divided Russian people? Understood. It happens ... Well, then why are you letting whispers of Belarusians?

[ioan-e]

Take a mortgage, be sure to apply the Sumerian method! It is only necessary to take PrivatBank ....

[The Siberian barber]

The sad thing is that “there will be no limit to indignation”, and then they will come up with a “support program for the affected companies,” with “logical consequences”, for a long time for the population to which these companies do not belong.
"toothlessness or omnipotence" is already "annoying" ..

[Igoresha]

determination and uncompromising, and fools - science

[sleeve]

Oh, how unexpected! Do they not understand that they are ruining the business reputation of Ukraine in Russia? Aya-yay ... Can they change their minds?

[Opera]

They have already sold Ukraine! Twice! And you are a reputation ...

[Nikolay Fedorov]

They are directly begging Russia - well, give it, give us, finally, pindyuley!

[NF68]

At the end of the 2019 of the year, all this and much more, as present Ukraine will come to. And not only in relations with Russia.

[HAM]

Intrigued ..!

[Vladivostok1969]

Intrigued ..!

The contract for the transportation of gas to Europe through Ukraine will end.

[NF68]

Quote: HAM

Intrigued ..!

What is there to intrigue, the contract for the transportation of gas to the EU through Ukraine and the amen of the already existing gas transport system of Ukraine will expire. In order not to greatly substitute its recipients of gas in Western Europe, Russia will agree to supply through Ukraine 10-15, or something like that, billion m3 of gas. And nehhah horses, and then ride around their empty pipe. It is possible that these 10-15 billion m3 after some time will go through Belarus.

[Fitter65]

I’m sitting with a lawyer I know, we drink, and here is such a joke, I suggested to him, - But can one of our local judges, in our court in a court of law, prove that the decision of the Ukrainian government is not legal on the basis of the decision of the government of the Khabarovsk Territory on payment of debt to employees of Agroenergo
PS Well, it's kind of like a court of some American town recognized the construction of the Crimean bridge ....

[Altona]

Quote: Tatiana

First of all, it is necessary for the Russian government to give up the criminal and provocative so-called pension reform with the concept of retirement age for old age.

--------------------------
This does not apply to the topic of the article. The second is not filing DAM, but filing the World Bank is one of his requirements, respectively, this is done with the knowledge and approval of Putin. Do not give DOM a shadow on the fence. There, even the human rights ombudsman told Putin that she was approving pension reform.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Altona

Quote: TatyanaFirst of all, the government of the Russian Federation, at the request of DAM, must refuse to hold the criminal and provocative so-called pension reform with the concept of retirement age for old age. -------------------------- This does not apply to the topic of the article.

It even applies if you look a step back and two steps forward.

Quote: Altona

The second is not the filing of DAM, but the filing of the World Bank is one of his requirements, respectively, this is done with the knowledge and approval of Putin. Do not give DOM a shadow on the fence.

In this case, the requirements of the IMF and the World Bank to Russia cannot be legally attached to the case. This is your formal logical error - an eclectic extension of the initial concrete logical message of the consideration of the problem beyond the boundaries of its substantive substantive legal consideration. That dissolves the specifics of solving the problem before raising it to abstraction and is, in fact, a departure from a real concrete solution to the problem precisely within Russia itself.

For example, no court will take a case if you do not register the immediate nearest specific defendant in a lawsuit, but step over it with an indication of some third parties there. Your case in court will either not be taken into production, or it will be doomed to “turn sour” in advance and you will lose.

Yes, the Russians do not care about the IMF and the World Bank! In principle, they are not only not in the jurisdiction of Russia, but are not located in Russia!
DAM signed a government pension reform project - it is a direct defendant to the people and the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And the fact that DAM is somehow connected there with the GDP is so far that legally this is not the case, and so far this is the tenth case.
Problems are addressed as they arise.

Pressure on the abolition of the pension "reform" is necessary on Medvedev, the Russian government and deputies of the State Duma and the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation.

[ver_]

Quote: Altona

Will work without prepayment. There will be no prepayment, there will be no working capital for the procurement of materials and components. There will be no materials and components, there will be no marketable products. There will be no marketable products, there will be nothing to sell. The circle is closed! Great Peremoga. They’ve never killed anyone, they’ve sold nothing! Check and check, cotton!

... one like Popandopulo - they will draw lope ...

[Altona]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

but if PARAShenka signs this law, then you can fit it into a bellie incident

-------------------------
We do not need a bell incident either, Russia is the successor of the USSR.

[Ros 56]

Our Duma needs to pass a law abolishing the action of this moronic law of the Rada and allow a forceful repayment of debts. For debts, we take land on the coast of the Black and Azov Seas in a strip of 200-500 kilometers from the water's edge

[Nikolaevich I]

This is necessary, as the Ukrainians perverted a well-known joke: "Lieutenant, but money? Hussars do not take money! ..."!

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Ros 56

Our Duma needs to pass a law abolishing the action of this moronic law of the Rada and allow a forceful repayment of debts. For debts, we take land on the coast of the Black and Azov Seas in a strip of 200-500 kilometers from the water's edge

We must take everything that was presented by the Bolsheviks and Communists, obsessed with the idea of ​​turning "a farmer’s farmstead into an industrial enterprise!"

[HMR333]

it’s not only a matter of debts, now there is an option that they will stop supplying components even for money with the same blades! and in this regard, their sale of orders abroad, already small in general, will collapse!

[Mwg]

A vivid example of Ukraine following liberal values.
Personal Rights Bill: “You are never obligated to give something that you really don’t want to give”
Is it worth it to give something on credit ??? Only one hundred percent prepayment !!!!!

[Berkut24]

Ukraine passed a law allowing Ukrainian defense enterprises not to pay debts to Russian companies. When voting in the Verkhovna Rada for the adoption of this law, 244 parliamentarians with the required minimum of 226 votes.

And then we’ll ask from these deputies. They are in every way richer in debt to Bandera enterprises.

[savage1976]

Here's how to defend your interests. And our mumbles, who have been deprived of the right to work in a pass for 2 years, have been making a headache, and will begin to cough up again as soon as they again begin to be allowed to hang out at the microphone, they will impose sanctions on us, and we are forcing our enterprises into even more debt. Beat your own so that strangers are afraid. Not smart people.

[ibn.shamai]

But when the west will demand debts from them, what will they come up with ???

[shubin]

A bell for those who still have some kind of business with Ukraine.

[Bypassed]

Nevertheless, Russian banks continue to lend to their subsidiaries in Ukraine

[sapporo1959]

And the coolest thing is that Sberbank in the Russian Crimea does not work, but you can’t drive Bander out of it ..

[the monastery]

you have to be a bad merchant to cooperate with Ukrainians.
either your products r ... oh and no one else needs
or something with a business head is not it

[samarin1969]

The "kindness" of the "Russian" "managers" is simply beyond any meaning.
After 1998, the Russian Federation forgives everyone its debts, works with holozad on an advance payment, distributes gas discounts, forgives bonds for billions of non-rubles ...
For all those economic and criminal crimes of the Ukrainian regime, it was cheaper to hire 200-300 thousand “collectors” and take everything from Ukraine east of the Dnieper. ...

[APASUS]

That Kiev did not intend to pay it was immediately clear. But our silence was surprising. They all raised the EU’s ears to the ears of Gazprom’s unproven debt, and we have paper from the court in our hands and are silent, that’s not clear.

[Random]

maxim947,
1. Theme "In Ukraine, a law was passed that allows Ukrainian defense enterprises not to pay debts to Russian companies ....", for those who are especially smart, I decipher ..... we are not paid, and we continue to supply them.
2. Please study what balancing is. Blades and what it can lead to if you do this .. "by eye" ... have you really never had a car ... decent, which could run under 200 km / h? "
3. If you think that one can send someone somewhere. or indicate what and when to do something .... You are very flattering yourself
And to a stranger on You. Even in such a manner to refer to it as you ... "call names"

[I am Russian]

Only the lack of will and spinelessness of Vladimir Vladimirovich could bring to such a shameful attitude of the neighboring under-state towards Russia. How long?

[major147]

Quote: I am Russian

Only the lack of will and spinelessness of Vladimir Vladimirovich could bring to such a shameful attitude of the neighboring under-state towards Russia. How long?

The policy is called .....

[Normal ok]

Russian companies, despite "force majeure circumstances" continue to demand through the courts the return of pre-paid money, debts, penalties and fines.

For any court, this is a real force majeure. So that everything is logical.

[Navy7981]

Diggers of the Black Sea cause (subjectively) a feeling of deep pity. They so want to be someone, so they want to be equal, significant, but most likely not destined, miracles certainly happen, but those born flawed and seized power can only be distinguished by cruelty when they do not give a shortcut, greed and stupidity, because as more nothing.

[Old26]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

And if this law is signed, then you can fit it into the case of Bellie

Oh really? Is that a reason for war? And how are you going to explain all this to our people? Say Ukraine refuses to pay debts so we will go to war with them ??? Or just in a post I wanted to screw in a smart term - a bellie incident?

Quote: sapporo1959

However, three billion greens for some kind of guarantee threw Russia specifically. The age of retirement had to be raised so that the Russian trousers would support ... But we would give it now and like cheese in butter would be .. Here and give it to under the guarantee there are some sort of how Putin said iron ..

Oh oh Were these 3 billion. So how would cheese be in butter? And the retirement age would not have to be raised? Are you serious? If we assume that pensioners in Russia are at least 1/3 of the 140 million people, well, let’s say 50 million, then dividing 3 billion by 50 million we get $ 60 per pensioner. Roughly speaking, 3600 rubles per person? And with that money, would you like cheese in butter?

[major147]

"It turns out interesting, in Kiev they themselves imposed sanctions against Russia, they themselves broke off military-technical cooperation with it, called the introduction of their own sanctions" force majeure circumstances "and on the basis of them adopted a law prohibiting paying debts!" - So they are such in life, for this they do not like them.

[sapporo1959]

Well, they don’t like it? Yes, today in Crimea they are honored vacationers, not to mention the promise of President Putin to give them all passports. Yes, and in Europe they are with bells, so that they don’t like it is only in our folklore ...

[sura.barkas]

VV Putin and his "comrades" will be held accountable for damaging the Russian Federation in their actions in favor of Ukraine *. It is inevitable

[Lexa-149]

Interestingly, in Kiev they themselves imposed sanctions against Russia, they themselves broke off military-technical cooperation with it, called the imposition of their own sanctions "force majeure circumstances" and on the basis of them adopted a law prohibiting paying debts!

Brilliant !!!
Then Russia brings Ukraine to European courts. RF courts wins. Ukraine pays ALL + pays legal fees!
This, you see, is some kind of selfish homosexuality! When yourself in the ass ...

[gukoyan]

Or maybe they like it so much?
A lot of weirdo, especially the Ruin of Tse Europe, that they themselves will be the one to develop a causal place so that then it does not hurt))

[tolmachiev51]

I think the next law may turn out to be the IMF. There is not much money, especially when they are easily stolen.

[Metallurg_2]

Well, no, the Rothschilds will not leave. These guys will take everything that is due to them, and with all the percentages.

[LeonidL]

There will be a good reason to collect money from defaulters for arbitrations and courts abroad impractical.

[gukoyan]

They simply don’t have anything to pay ... They come up with it. Nature does not count)

[Cabinettasafe]

Quote from AUL

First things first - to block the entrance of their Gaster and send already entered. And let them explain the piglet on the spot how wrong he is!

Or compensate for the loss due to migrant workers. They send money, and take part of this money from them to pay off debts. And let laws be adopted further, the electorate will pay for it.