Yantar plant built the Ivan Gren landing ship worth 5 billion for the Russian Navy

The cost of the large landing ship (BDK) "Ivan Gren" of the 11711 project for the Russian Navy, built at the Yantar Baltic Shipbuilding Plant OJSC, amounted to 5 billion rubles. The ship’s launch is scheduled for May 18.

Together with the Mistral-type amphibious landing ship-docking ship in France and Russia, the Ivan Gren BDK will form the core of the Navy's amphibious assault forces, the press service of the regional Duma reports.

BDK "Ivan Gren" was laid in the slipway of JSC "PSZ" Yantar "in December 2004 of the year and was planned to become the head in a series of four units. In the process of building the Navy three times changed the technical task for the project, 22 major changes were made to it.

This led to significant delays in construction. Until now, the final technical appearance of the ship has not been determined. The planned bookmark of the first production ship was canceled.

The ship is designed for landing, transportation of military equipment and equipment. "Ivan Gren" can transport as the main combat Tanks weighing up to 60 tons (up to 13 units), as well as armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles (up to 36 vehicles), or up to 300 marines.

Comments

[alex21411]

The news was straightforward to make me happy, I think not only me ...

[YARY]

More used boxes like that !!!
MP - waiting for each fleet !!! A minimum of a pair !!!

[vorobey]

Ardent fight. This is not a box. This is a warship. He has a soul.

[танк]

Let’s drop the pathos and see what we have. We were glad that we built one ship for 8 years ??? and what’s so happy ??? it turns out that until 2020 another ship will be made, not enough for the homeland

[vorobey]

Tank, and as before. We BDK and KFOR bought most of Poland. Gdansk built for us.

[танк]

Sparrow, I agree, but nevertheless, not only have they been building for 8 years, they have also completed unfinished work + paperwork, it really will only be in 3 years from now !!!

[vorobey]

There were no ships of this type before. We went mainly to Polish. The firstborn is born hard and hard. Hopefully it will be easier, faster, better.

[Neighbor]

Quote: vorobey

The firstborn is born hard and hard. Hopefully it will be easier, faster, better.

Quote: ksv2011

again the whiners appeared, again dissatisfied with something that they had been building for a long time, rejoice that they had built at all, and eight years ago, there was no money to build ships, and now almost all the shipyards are busy!

100%. +++++++++++. 8 years. Yes, we came out of the crisis of 2008 in which year - in the 10th? Thank God that they did not freeze the project at all. We can say - really took up the army and weapons - a year ago !!!
And then - what progress !!! Weapons arrive in packs, plants are being built, and those built in 2 shifts are plowed. How many latest developments!

Quote: Tersky

Down and Out trouble started. There will be a dozen

ksv2011 - let me Wa + put Big !!!

[ksv2011]

Hi neighbor, thanks for +, I kept you +, I have a holiday every time, even when one shell and cartridge are delivered to the army, after such a stagnation of the 90s, and the beginning of the 2000s

[ksv2011]

good news! tank, and I look, and again the whiners appeared, again dissatisfied with something that they had been building for a long time, rejoice that they had built at all, and eight years ago, there was no money to build ships, and now almost all the shipyards are busy!

[танк]

The main thing is that there should be more of such cheers, patriots like you, great benefit to the country. I do not whine, but just analyze this fact, it is not difficult to do.
I just don’t like to write in the first lines: -Wonderful, and give us 1000 more of them. I expressed my opinion on this matter, and your insults to the mind and honor do not add to you, it just gives you a bad opinion.
Learn from Sparrow, without insults, correctly explained what’s what, why, thanks to him

[vorobey]

Quote: ksv2011

ksv2011

Quote: tank

танк

Stop swearing. It doesn’t matter. The main thing is that we are all sick of the soul. Our children learn this technique. and the more reliable and better it is, the calmer we are.

[ksv2011]

I’m watching the tank, you’re not happy with something, but don’t be modest, your opinions are not very pleasant, it reminds you that everything was stolen, everything is lost and it’s impossible to live, a couple to the west to drape, there are ships launched every day, you happen to such?

[танк]

As far as I know, is it already called trolling?

[ksv2011]

Dmitry, I don’t understand, but more precisely, is it possible?

[755962]

Quote: tank

in the system will only be in 3 years !!!

The planned date for the transfer of the ship to the fleet is 2014.

[танк]

On our local sites they write 2013 ... there you look, they will pass by 2020

[beech]

Gdansk would be a Soviet republic, so we can say they built it in their homeland !!

[Alexei]

In vain you are so ... Do you see the BDK also designed during construction, do not confuse with stamping on the thumb. According to the finished material they will build faster, and several can at once.

[Spartak]

That's right, when the production is established, then it will be more fun to work. In addition, unlike Mistral, our BDKs can deliver troops directly to the shore without additional landing means.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I would go further in doubt dear танк the price of this fleet combat unit, so to speak, goes off scale ... (who does not agree, let him give examples of what he is good for as an amphibious assault ship) ........ they generally wanted to remake it in armed transport, which it essentially is.
although radically patriotic people YARY By the way, too, by my respected, for a unchanging point of view, causes delight
if you figure out what kind of ship that enthusiasm comes to naught.
like they completed a morally obsolete ship .. now a bunch of ball for its operation

[speedy]

The Mistral seizes the bridgehead with the landing force with light weapons, and the TDK is developing success by introducing tanks and other heavy weapons into battle - in my opinion, it’s a great spark. What do you think ? And there will be an aircraft carrier. generally shine!

[ksv2011]

rumpeljschtizhen 1) pass by, you are drunk and don’t stop here 2) nobody seems to say that this is a missile cruiser, project 1164,3) everyone understands that this is BDK pr.11711, for transporting tanks and paratroopers

[Juga]

rumpeljschtizhen,
I didn’t understand your thought about the high cost of the ship, where does it (price) go through the roof?
After all, 5 lard rubles = 165 lam bucks, remind you how much the wunderwafl F-22 "SRaptor" costs?

[танк]

don’t rejoice very much, this small price is due to scanty salaries, amber is always needed, but there’s no salary, so they don’t come, hence the quality is the same as the salary. Usually they say: If they think they pay us, let them think what we work ...

[Set]

At the Pacific Fleet, there are more such Mistrals with the Japanese, to dull the thoughts of the Kuril Islands.

[Alexei]

Quote: CeT

At the Pacific Fleet, there are more such Mistrals with the Japanese, to dull the thoughts of the Kuril Islands.

In fact, everything is more complicated, these islands are impregnable fortresses, in the depths of which there are a lot of guns that bristle during an assault from the water. Amer broke their teeth there, and without the bombs dropped on Hiroshima from Nagasaki, they would not have won the war. But if Che, then our I’m sure they’ll figure out how to cheat.

[asavchenko59]

Tora Bora was also considered impregnable, so what?
Airborne battalion and no garrison.

[Vadivak]

Well, something like this

[Lord of the Sith]

Scheme of the landing ship "Ivan Gren"

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I say armed transport

[755962]

The news is great! But besides the main classes of ships, you need to master the construction and auxiliary vessels. The Americans in San Diego on April 24, General Dynamics NASSCO handed over to the United States Navy the universal supply ship USNS Medgar Evers (T-AKE 13)

The construction of the USNS Medgar Evers T-AKE class was launched in April 2010. T-AKE class ships incorporate the world's marine technology and design features of commercial vessels, including an integrated electric propulsion system, to minimize the operational costs of each ship, designed for 40 years of operation.

With a carrying capacity of more than 10000 tons, the main task of T-AKE ships is to deliver food, ammunition, fuel and other equipment from coast stations to warships at sea. Including USNS Medgar Evers, NASSCO transferred thirteen T-AKE class ships to the U.S. Navy (Lewis and Clark ) The fourteenth and final ship of the T-AKE USNS Cesar Chavez class will be baptized and launched on May 5 and handed over to the U.S. Navy in the fourth quarter of 2012. I mean that such ships are needed by the fleet. In addition, the terms of delivery of the ships and their number. ..in short, we have something to strive for.

[Rustam]

Of course, the news made me happy (after so many years of construction already since 2004)

but only the building was lowered, and completion according to plans near the wall will occur right up to 2014, it is according to plans, and then how it goes

An example of the Katason frigate launched in 2010 laid in 2006 is still being completed !!!

such pace of construction is a little depressing to say the least
This shows that our shipbuilding should be completely modernized !!!!

example-Mistral for the Russian Navy, with a displacement of 21000 tons will be built in three years - as they say feel the difference

[Pharao7766]

A few more pictures of the descent.
http://www.klops.ru/news/Obschestvo/54597/V-Kaliningrade-spustili-na-vodu-desant
nyj-korablj-Ivan-Gren.html? gid = 2314 & picid = 34986 # gphoto

[ShturmKGB]

a dozen more, or even a couple of dozen, for each fleet

[Tersky]

ShturmKGB

a dozen more, or even a couple of dozen, for each fleet

Down and Out trouble started. There will be a dozen

[alexng]

Good news! I think there will be a dozen. In Russia, we often learn about something new, only after the appearance of this sample, and then on the thumb.

[TiGRoO]

- We built, built and finally built! - (with)
I'm so happy. that completed this boat

[DEMENTIY]

Large landing ship (BDK). The ship project was developed at the Nevsky Design Bureau (Nevsky Design Bureau, St. Petersburg). The design of the ship began according to the technical specifications of the Russian Navy in 1998. According to the initial plan, it was planned to create a ship with a small displacement capable of navigating inland waterways. This requirement was removed by the Navy at the design stage and the ship moved to the class of large amphibious assault ships (BDK) with a displacement of more than 5000 tons with the possibility of transporting a reinforced company of marine corps with equipment, as well as based on the ship two landing transport helicopters Ka-29 and giving it the ability to land equipment on pontoons transported with it. The terms of reference for the design changed three times, the design was carried out 6 years.

The lead ship of project 11711 "Ivan Gren" was laid down at the Baltic Shipyard "Yantar" (Kaliningrad) on December 24, 2004. As of 2008, the Russian Navy planned to build five ships of the project. At the beginning of 2012, the construction of the ship of Project 11711 was named among the outstanding orders in 2011 under the state defense order. During the construction of the lead ship of the project, at the request of the Navy, 22 changes were made to the project and to the ship under construction.
The construction of the large landing complex "Ivan Gren" is underfunded. As of the end of 2011, the hull and superstructures of the ship have been formed, equipment is being saturated, work is proceeding slowly. The installation of the main switchboard is underway, the plant has already received diesel generators, and refrigeration machines will arrive in the near future. The main power plant of the ship - the DRRA3700 diesel geared reversible unit developed by JSC "Zvezda" - is at the stage of experimental development at the manufacturer. In October 2011, after information about the freezing of the construction of the lead ship of the project, officially unconfirmed information appeared that the construction of the large landing ship pr.11711 by the decision of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy (and, allegedly, at the suggestion of the PSZ "Yantar") will be carried out according to the modified project in as a weapon transport with 4 MTPU machine gun installations. The terms of the ship's readiness for the modified project have not been determined. There is no confirmation or refutation of this information from official sources.

On February 07, 2012, the Kommersant newspaper, citing a source in the Russian Ministry of Defense, reports that the revised program for the development of weapons until 2020 provides for the construction of 6 ships of the project. The data seems to us very doubtful. On May 14, 2012, information appeared about the completion of the construction of the Ivan Gren large landing craft and the preparation of the ship for launching. On May 18, 2012, the cost of building the ship, according to media reports, was 5 billion rubles.


Design - loading equipment onto the ship is carried out in two ways: independently by using ramps, or using gantry or deck cargo cranes through a four-wing cargo hatch in the upper deck. These hatches also allow you to ventilate the below deck space, when immediately before the exit the engines of the cars are idling and fill the airborne compartment with exhaust gases. For loading and unloading operations in the area of ​​the cargo hatch, there is a cargo crane with a lifting capacity of 16 t and two boat cranes for working with boats and motor boats (the last three on the ship - two large and one small)

Propulsion system: 1 х diesel-geared reversible unit DRRA3700 / 10D49 with a capacity of 4000 hp. development of JSC "Zvezda".

TTX of the ship:
Crew - 100 pax

Length - 120 m
Width - 16,5 m
Draft - 3,6 m

Full displacement - 5000-6000 t (estimated)

Full speed - 18 knots
Cruising range - 3500 miles (at a speed of 16 knots)
Autonomy - 30 days

Payload - located on the tank deck - 13 main tanks weighing up to 60 tons or 36 armored personnel carriers, landing 300 people. or 20 standard 20 foot containers.

Armament:

pr.11711
Ave. 11711 change 2011
Rocket launcher 2 x MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" -
Igla-V MANPADS?
Needle-B?
Artillery 1 x AK-176M - 1 x 76 mm artillery mount, 500 rounds of ammunition.
2 х AK-630M-2 "Duet" 2 х 6 х 30-mm artillery mounts, 2 х 2000 rounds of ammunition
ZRAK / AK 2 x AK-630M 6 x 30 mm artillery mounts, ammunition 2 x 2000 rounds 2 x AK-630M 6 x 30 mm artillery mounts, ammunition 2 x 2000 rounds
Interference setting PU KT-308, KT-216 PU KT-308, CT-216
Helicopter 1 x Ka-29 1 x Ka-29
Other


Equipment:

pr.11711
BIUS
Radar detection of air and surface targets "Positive M-1"
Navigation radar "Kivach"
MR-123-02 "Laska" / "Vympel" artillery radar - BASS TILT
MR-123 "Vympel" stern artillery radar - BASS TILT
Inertial navigation system
Electronic countermeasures complex EW "Prosvet-M"
Laser Detection Station
Communication complex
General operational management system

- 2008 - for 4 years only separate sections of the ship were assembled, but the revival of work on the construction of the large landing craft "Ivan Gren" was noted. The delivery of the ship to the Navy is planned for 2012.

- 2011 June - according to unofficial unconfirmed information, financing for the construction of the project has been discontinued, construction has been frozen. On the second building of the project, metal was prepared.

- 2011 October - officially unverified information appeared that the construction of the BDK ave. 11711 by decision of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy will be carried out under an amended project as an arms transport with 4 machine guns MTPU. The deadlines for the ship’s readiness for the amended project have not been determined. From official sources there is no confirmation or refutation of this information.

- 2012 07 February - the newspaper "Kommersant" with reference to a source in the Ministry of Defense of Russia reports that in the amended program for the development of weapons for 2011-2020. the delivery of 6 units of ships of the project to the Navy is provided.

[Svistoplyaskov]

Biographical information

Gren Ivan Ivanovich (13 (25) .12.1898, Viljandi of the Estonian SSR, - 19.9.1960, Leningrad), Soviet scientist in the field of naval artillery, flagship 2nd rank (1935), rear admiral (1940), vice admiral ( 1942).

At the Navy since February 1918. He graduated from the fleet command school (1922) and the highest special courses for improving the fleet command staff (1925). He served in the Baltic Fleet, in 1927-30 - the flagship artilleryman of the Baltic Fleet.

From 1930 - commander of coastal defense, and in 1931-1935 - commander of the Crimean fortified region of the Black Sea Fleet. In 1935-1940 - Head of the Artillery Research Marine Institute (ANIMI) of the RKKF.

During the Great Patriotic War, he was the chief of the artillery of naval defense of Leningrad (1941–43), the chief artilleryman of the Navy (1943–1945) and the head of the combat training department of the Main Naval Headquarters of the Navy (1944-1946).

Since 1946 - Head of the Academic Courses of the Officers of the Naval Order of Lenin Academy named after K.E. Voroshilov. Since 1960, retired. The author of works on marine artillery. He was awarded two Orders of Lenin, four Orders of the Red Banner, the Order of Nakhimov of the 1st degree and medals. He was buried at the Novodevichy cemetery in Moscow.

[Svistoplyaskov]

In connection with the launching of the Ivan Gren large landing ship (BDK), which is under construction at the Baltic Shipyard (PSZ) Yantar, scheduled for mid-May 2012, the management and staff of the enterprise appeal through the media to the descendants and relatives of the admiral to invite them to a solemn ceremony dedicated to this event.
Inquiries by phone:

[phone], [phone].
Information from the site: b-port.com

[NUT]

Quote: DEMENTIY

The lead ship of project 11711 "Ivan Gren" ...
Full speed - 18 knots ...

But the commercials will soon completely catch up with the Fleet of His Imperial Majesty the battleship "Peresvet" (1898)
Full speed - 18,6 knots
.
And there is not far to the Australian barge with Amer’s guns “HSV-X1 Joint Venture”.
Full speed - 66 knots

It’s not in vain that Joseph Vissarionovich for sabotage and sabotage of those with whom we don’t drink, ay-ya-yy spoke and put in a corner ...

[viktor_ui]

He inserted a nut well by comparison ... the individual was touched by a super-speed of 18 knots, and the walking option in all its glory, we paraded with pleasure show-offs, the enemy is boiling with fear, the landing and the applied equipment admire the scenery of the local theater and increase its educational -Moral level well and going to develop elements of tolerance.
In general, who can really explain this ridiculous speed and what is it motivated by? Why are we going to carry services to them? In short, they lowered the galoshes from the performance characteristics of the last century.
Mistrals slap one and a half years on the hull and one and a half years on the internal stuffing.

[viktor_ui]

To the minusist - DEDICATED! Our negative is directed not towards the construction of sea vessels (thank God, that there has been a steady stir in military shipbuilding), but there are LEGAL questions of the TAXPAYER about what has already been built and we are able to compare and think with our "pumpkin". .. The SPEED of the approach to the object of the application of force has not yet been canceled (the faster, the later it will be discovered and this will reduce the efficiency of the response). Personally, I see a clear tendency towards the elimination of high-speed delivery vehicles to the coast: "Bison" - garbage, "Bora" - garbage, powerful tiltrotors - garbage ... but this vessel with walking speed is probably just right! Well, the idiots a.mer HSV-X1 apparently finally sucks and a dead-end branch of development (reminds us, we will slowly go down the mountain and take away the whole herd ...). What do you say in response - minuscule?

[NUT]

Quote: viktor_ui

What do you say - minusque?

And he will not say anything, because both the worst enemy and the petty crook categorically do not like when his ingenious plan is revealed.
Not a scrupulous analysis, but a cursory glance at all the well-known and little-known battles and conflicts on earth, in the sky, on the water, it’s enough to admit

Quote: viktor_ui

SPEED of approach to the object of application of force

one of the most important components of success is victory.
The whole, many centuries-old history of the Russian Navy with the blood, the lives of its heroes - sailors shows and proves that, in addition to everything, absolutely all combat and auxiliary (transports, naval bases, tankers, etc. ...) ships of the Russian Navy must have high and definitely the same speed and in this parameter also surpass the enemy by an order of magnitude

Quote: viktor_ui

In general, who can really explain this ridiculous speed and what is it motivated by?

if at the beginning of the last century our warships gave out more than 80km / h, and at the beginning of this 33km / h.

Black Sea Fleet destroyer "Kharkov" (1934)
Full speed 43,57uz.

Russian Navy large landing ship "Ivan Gren" (2012)
full speed 18uz

[viktor_ui]

NUT - thank you for the appendage

[itr]

So far, the final technical appearance of the ship has not been determined
And the article is called! The Yantar plant has built the Ivan Gren landing ship for the Russian Navy. So the name was ahead of its time by many years!
Of course it is sad

[volcano]

Which core is three ships? That is, 1000 people will be able to transport, or if with technology then five hundred people, five tanks and a dozen BMP?
Dear Author? But is it not enough? This is probably if we are planning to occupy a new Zealand, and even then it’s not enough like that.
We generally have a downward trend. And society accepts all this at face value. To reduce tanks from 20000 to 2000 is normal, the Army to 1000000 million? Yes, it’s not a question .... Three (well, let four ships already be the basis)? Class. It remains only to read the news like these 5 Armats will become the basis of the armored forces ..... or even not ..... these 2 PAK FAs - This is the basis of the RUSSIAN Air Force. E my, what we began to strive to reduce.

About the press service of the regional Duma touched. That's who we now determine the processes in the Army and Navy ..... They said the basis .... means the basis. I wonder what the New Vasyukov settlement administration thinks about this.

[Armata]

In most questions I agree. Only if you take into account how much time we sat on the spot, then even this news is like. Slowly gradually level off.

[танк]

Only when you consider how much time we sat in place

The engine, now everyone who is responsible for the defense industry and for something even more serious, begins to say these words, this is a bad excuse, it’s time to punish them

[Armata]

Tank. Do we know how much we have lost over the years? Special units and new ones need to be educated. Technologies that were already outdated, everything needs to be reviewed. Machine equipment of plants below the baseboard, only new machines began to appear. So this bunch of problems can only be solved in 2 ways. 1. Equity financing for each project and control over the cost of money. 2. Give 300 000 000 000 a year, then everything except the staff will be decided quickly, and we will deal with the staff, we will learn it ourselves if the academies are now unable to teach.

[танк]

I completely agree with you

[snek]

Quote: volkan

An army of up to 1000000 million?

And what do you dislike about a millionth army? (as I understand it, it meant exactly 1 million).

[volcano]

Dear Snek, why should I like her? Where did this figure come from? is it somehow calculated? And in general, how can a state having the largest land border in the world have such a small Army? We have a neighbor (China) who has big plans for our entire Far East. And the army has 6 million if I am not mistaken. And there’s NATO in total — more than 3 million soldiers on our western border. Maybe we are an extremely technologically advanced army? No, we are not only not on the level, we are behind. Maybe we are a highly professional army? No fighter serves 1 year (in China, 6 years) The United States Army is fully contracted. And last, in which state is there more police than military? Well, you know the answer, I think. So yes, I don’t like such a small Army.

[snek]

Quote: volkan

Dear Snek, why should I like her? Where did this figure come from? is it somehow calculated? And in general, how can a state having the largest land border in the world have such a small Army?

Volkan, the border is of course an important indicator, but, for example, there are not many guards per kilometer to the border with Mongolia or Kazakhstan. The size of the army, in my opinion, is rather determined by threats in the context of the country's demographic capabilities.

Quote: volkan

We have a neighbor (China) who has big plans for our entire Far East. And the army has 6 million if I am not mistaken.

Here you rely on somewhat outdated data - now the Chinese army - 2 with a small million (a further reduction in numbers is planned). Moreover, they are trying to fight with China in numbers - this is an unpromising option for us in advance. Here, the main deterrent is rather nuclear weapons.

Quote: volkan

And there’s NATO in total — more than 3 million soldiers on our western border.

3 million is not at our western border, but the total strength of the armed forces of all countries of the alliance. If you are aware of news on the armies of NATO countries, you should know that their numbers are constantly decreasing (especially after the Finnish crisis). Anyway, an alliance is a rather amorphous structure. Do you think the states will throw a cry and everyone will go to war? No - the most active may send a division. And ordinary members are 100-200 people.

Quote: volkan

And last, in which state is there more police than military? Well, you know the answer, I think. So yes, I don’t like such a small Army.

Here, in my opinion, again, the problem is not in the small army, but in the fact that the police (and I want to say so to the police) are many and ineffective.

[ksv2011]

volkan dear, maybe you’d better go live in the USA so that they don’t look from far into the mouth, it will be closer!

[aksakal]

Quote: volkan

We generally have a downward trend. And society accepts all this at face value. To reduce tanks from 20000 to 2000 is normal, the Army to 1000000 million? Yes, it’s not a question .... Three (well, let four ships already be the basis)? Class. It remains only to read the news like these 5 Armats will become the basis of the armored forces ..... or even not ..... these 2 PAK FAs - This is the basis of the RUSSIAN Air Force. E my, what are we striving to reduce

- other wars As large as the Second World War, there will definitely be no more. The sensitivity of social systems to losses sharply increased, the dependence of those in power on the electorate appeared even in autocratic states, the economy became more dependent on infrastructure, etc. All together - in order to sweep away any state or change its ruling elite, a large army is not required. Libya, Serbia and others were routed or wrecked into the Stone Age by very small forces. I didn’t see there tens of thousands of planes or hundreds of thousands of tanks, as it was in WWII, but at the same time a small army should be equipped, as they say, up to the neck, and with the most modern. To break Georgia, it was enough to have several units of the 58th Army, not even the entire 58th Army, but several of its units!
A large army is unnecessary, the army must be effective!

[volcano]

Well, Aksakal. I think that you are very mistaken. The leadership of the Ministry of Defense is possible too. Why did you get this? Since there is nuclear weapons? So it is still necessary to apply it. This is the first. I give you the simplest example. Conflict with NATO. Their troops cross the border and move to Moscow as always (maybe) will you strike a nuclear strike at YOUR TERRITORY to stop the enemy? Or maybe you will strike a nuclear strike against Paris, Berlin, but what's the point? There are women and children, and their salaries are here at our side and it is easier for us from the fact that Paris will no longer be. The same applies to the Far East. We always fight against defense, protecting our land. A nuclear weapon. This is an attack weapon, and, in principle, has long been no longer a weapon, and some kind of horror story. (at least strategic for sure). So do not entertain yourself with the thought that if we have a strategic nuclear forces, then everything is fine. Remind you of the words of Marshal Zhukov, which he uttered after the creation of nuclear weapons and missile weapons. Any Territory is considered not occupied until the foot of the infantryman steps on it. Not rockets win the war, but a soldier. And the next war will be won by that country in which there are more soldiers and they are better prepared. Well equipment and weapons, respectively. And here so To be mistaken ....... It can end badly

[Vanek]

This has led to significant delays in construction.


Well, the main thing is that this does not affect his characteristics.

Head of four units. If those four are the same then
13x4 = 52 tanks
36x4 = 124 cars
300x4 = 1200 foot soldiers

FEAR THE ENEMIES !!!!

[Senzey]

The news pleased us, we can build good ships ourselves, we would like to have our own aircraft carriers and not Mistral to buy.

[dred]

So pleased. Good news!

[alps]

A photo of the ship as pleased, well, just a masterpiece

[Chicot 1]

Just to take a look at the image of this flagship. Well, at least one eye ...

[Svistoplyaskov]

Quote: Chicot 1

Just to take a look at the image of this flagship. Well, at least with one eye.

[img] http://warfare.ru/image.aspx?img=0702ey70/update/march2007/gren.jpg [/ img]

And here is the project 1174 - taken as a basis:

[DERWISH]

During the construction process, the Navy changed the terms of reference for the project three times, 22 major changes were made to it. ??????????



Read more: http://topwar.ru/14428-zavod-yantar-postroil-dlya-vmf-rossii-desantnyy-korabl-iv

an-gren-stoimostyu-5-milliardov.html I UNDERSTAND LAZE NOW IT WILL LIKELY BE MISSED !!!! HOW SUCH ARE SUCH NEWS !!!

[aksakal]

Quote: DERWISH

During the construction process, the Navy changed the terms of reference for the project three times, 22 major changes were made to it.



Read more: http://topwar.ru/14428-zavod-yantar-postroil-dlya-vmf-rossii-desantnyy-korabl-iv

an-gren-stoimostyu-5-milliardov.html I UNDERSTANDLY LAZE IT NOW FORWARD TO MISSING !!!! HOW SUCH THE NEWS !!!

- Of course, they please. Together with the Mistrals, it is really possible to reliably cover both Abkhazia and Ossetia, and the Kuril Islands, and support Syria, if anything suddenly! Another carrier for each fleet, and it will be possible to claim the rights to New Zealand Someone from the members of the forum made a reservation about Freud. Just do not understand - to hell with us this New Zealand?

[Tirpitz]

I think they have been building for so long because the priorities are different now. Even the Mistrals ordered in the west so as not to occupy their stocks. Corvettes and frigates need a lot, and they threw all their efforts. What is the point of 50 landing ships which are unarmed at sea. They and the Navy will capture Naru. I need an escort, and then mistral, gren and so on.

[vorobey]

Quote: Tirpitz

which are unarmed at sea. They and the Navy will capture Naru. I need an escort, and then mistral, gren and so on.

BDK project 775 "Azov" most often went on it.

weaponry



Artillery armament

2 double-barreled AK-725 caliber 57 mm



Anti-ship weapons

2 A-215 Grad-M



Anti-aircraft missile weapons

4 MANPADS "Igla"



Torpedo mine weapons

to 90 minutes

Ivan Gren Armament

Rocket launcher 2 x MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" -
Igla-V MANPADS?
Needle-B?
Artillery 1 x AK-176M - 1 x 76 mm artillery mount, 500 rounds of ammunition.
2 х AK-630M-2 "Duet" 2 х 6 х 30-mm artillery mounts, 2 х 2000 rounds of ammunition
ZRAK / AK 2 x AK-630M 6 x 30 mm artillery mounts, ammunition 2 x 2000 rounds 2 x AK-630M 6 x 30 mm artillery mounts, ammunition 2 x 2000 rounds
Interference setting PU KT-308, KT-216 PU KT-308, CT-216
Helicopter 1 x Ka-29 1 x Ka-29

[vorobey]

From the personal archive. Large landing craft "Azov" August 93. People on the beach in Kazachka went nuts when he spat out a column of tanks ashore.

[andrey903]

How to compare it with the Mistral, including at a price

[ANTURAG]

Every day would read such good news. Especially in the morning.

[taseka]

Glad for our sailors! At all times they were the pride of Russia!
The first Russian warship "Eagle", 1669

[bamboo]

Hello everyone))
4 Mistral + Ivan-Gren (he is also not the last), mine swallows kirdyk
Georgia)))

[AK-74-1]

Very good news. The real proof that our shipbuilders are alive!

[Nursultan]

Quote: volkan

We generally have a downward trend. And society accepts all this at face value. To reduce tanks from 20000 to 2000 is normal, the Army to 1000000 million?

A large army is a big expense better little but professionally trained and equipped with the latest technology. And in case of warriors will call the rest who are in stock.
this is purely my opinion.

[suharev-52]

Well, there is an indirect confirmation of what Mistral is buying for. Once again I want to remind opponents of the purchase. WE DON'T TIME TO RE-EQUIP. Not enough capacity. The collapse of the 90s affects. So the news is not bad. Sincerely.

[Old]

If this is true, then the news is excellent. It starts to change under the caps of our military commanders.

[nycsson]

Strange photo to the material picked up .........

[escobar]

Mistral is, now with the adjustment will be easier)))

[UAZ Patriot]

umm ... not a modest question? where will we land? to Japan or China? - The question, although simple but fundamental, is either for some or for others?

[Pilot200809]

First you need to pat the rodents, maybe the teddy bear will quickly fall to the owners, well, then ... sho there are not enough places?

[Spartak]

as our political officer said, first we completely break China and the United States, the rest will bring the keys to their cities themselves

[sasha1973]

For that kind of money, you can build half of a nuclear power unit. The guys from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, just half the money for this construction, just stupidly stolen. The Russian Armed Forces are armed forces.

[Odinplys]

sasha1973,
Who stole is better to go for good repent ... and return ...
Serious go-ahead is given ... they will be punished according to the adult ... regardless of the position ...

[Juga]

How did you all "jump" on the provocative headline of the article about the cost of the ship!
Do a little work and read, compare that there are 5 lard rubles and how much the equipment costs from the "partners".

[cobra66]

Ours seem to make a copy of the mistral with high-quality modifications so as not to find fault, but this is a purely offensive type of arms

[Odinplys]

cobra66,

Quote: Kobra66

but this is a purely offensive type of arms

And right ... it's time to prepare the landing ... Alaska lay under the bourgeoisie ... it's time to reverse ...

[Olegovich]

Long terms - there are some reasons why it turns out that there is no factory fault:
1. Delays in financing during construction are a very significant circumstance, because the sequence of work is violated and the timing of interrelated operations is delayed.
2. A new power plant - a diesel engine is being developed and developed at a time when, in good condition, it should already have proven operational characteristics. Again at the allied enterprise.
3. Design time - 6 years. It's pretty decent. It can be seen that the work did not go on constantly, but "swoops".
4. The most important thing is to change the technical specifications for the product. This is generally out! The requirements and views of the MO should not be a weather vane that changes depending on the change of curators. Having a clear idea of ​​what you need is an indicator of the "maturity" of the strategy.
So in this situation, developers and shipbuilders can only sympathize and hope that the Defense Ministry and defense leaders will learn from such long-term construction projects.
P.S. Now it is clear why Putin decided to acquire the technology for building the Mistral?