Space Creativity: Gerasima will launch for ISS compartment flooding

In the rocket and space industry, they are working to solve the problem of flooding the Russian airlock Pirs of the International Space Station. The task is to undock the Pirs from the ISS, reduce it from orbit and then follow the path, which will eventually lead the airlock to the Pacific Ocean.

The operation is scheduled for next year. The creative approach of developers to the implementation of the very idea of ​​flooding the compartment draws attention, which will eventually be replaced by another one. The fact is that the developers are planning to launch a Progress MS-12 space truck to the ISS, which was called Gerasim. This "Gerasim" will eventually have to be flooded in one of the compartments of the International Space Station. Compartment in another famous character works of Turgenev has not yet been renamed ...

RIA News with reference to sources, it is reported that the launch of "Gerasim" is planned to be carried out no earlier than April of 2019. Some time after the docking with the ISS, procedures will be carried out for the docking of the Zvezda module to the airlock Pirs compartment. And in the autumn of next year, the launch of a new module "Science" was originally planned. At the same time, the issue of sending "Science" to the ISS has not yet been resolved.

For reference: “Science” is being designed in the Khrunichev Center and should be one of the most voluminous modules of the ISS. At the same time, the module according to plans must ensure not only the performance of scientific experiments, but also serve as a means for docking ships and modules. In addition, the module "Science" should provide storage of goods, as well as the transfer of fuel.

Initially, the delivery of "Science" to the ISS was scheduled for another 2011 year, but technical difficulties intervened. Now the main question is the expediency of sending this module, because the life of the entire ISS expires in 6 years, and the minimum "warranty period" for the Nauka module is seven years.

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[rotmistr60]

received the name "Gerasim"

Symbolically. Then the airlock should be called "Mu-mu."

[Evdokim]

Quote: rotmistr60

Symbolically. Then the airlock should be called "Mu-mu"

A system of orientation "Susanin."

[Going]

Initially, the delivery of "Science" to the ISS was scheduled for another 2011 year, but technical difficulties intervened. Now the main question is the expediency of sending this module, because the life of the entire ISS expires in 6 years, and the minimum "warranty period" for the Nauka module is seven years.

First we need to solve this rebus, as always we create problems and then we successfully overcome them.

[MPN]

Quote: Going

need to solve this rebus

I realized that I decided it was easier to flood the toilet than to clean ...

[Petrix]

Quote: Going

First you need to solve this rebus.

Rewrite the warranty period. Print a couple of sheets and rebus solved.
Or is the warranty period the basis of the basics around which the design and strategic plans for work in space are planned?

[SETTGF]

Evdokim! No, it's better With a mustache ...

[atalef]

Quote: rotmistr60

received the name "Gerasim"

Symbolically. Then the airlock should be called "Mu-mu."

[Yrec]

We need to flood it in the fountain in front of the White House.

[Terenin]

Why do spaceships sink after use? Answers George Grechko, pilot-cosmonaut:
A “one-time” spacecraft is cheaper. To use it a second time, it is necessary to cover the lander with a heat-resistant coating: then it will not burn in the atmosphere during landing. Then it needs to be repaired, since upon landing the module will hit hard on the surface of the Earth. And to use a spent ship in orbit, say, as a building material, a whole plant is needed there: to saw, melt, make the necessary parts ... The calculation of the Americans on reusable shuttles was not justified: putting them in order for the next flights is too expensive. Even with a soft landing, their tiles burned out, many systems failed. In addition, on a “one-time” ship, instead of hundreds of kilograms of coating, you can carry the same payload for the ISS - water, air and fuel. ”

[Blackmokona]

And which systems failed interestingly?

[donavi49]

The main thing is not to tell this Mask - then he made his Dragon reusable.

Just recently CRS-15 delivered 2697 kg of payload. This is more than Progress carries. At the same time, the ship flew CRS-9 before.

Moreover, the uniqueness of such a tool is not only in the reuey of the ship itself - but also the return to the ground of cargo. In particular, 1547 kg was taken out by the CRS-9 mission. That is, the materials of scientific experiments + took out one of the emergency suits. And this is very valuable - because on-site in-depth diagnostics cannot be carried out. And the manufacturer in the laboratory will do it by fixing the hidden defect.

All modern spacecraft - do on reyuze. Unless Kounotori - drown. But there the concept itself is that - that is, TK = to assemble a space barrel into which you can shove loads in two Progresses (and even more - this is the record Kounotori7 soon flying in August - 6580kg) and cheaper.

[Compasure]

If Musk does not go bankrupt by then)))

[Vlad.by]

Is it true that the Canaveral and the Vanderberg base are significantly closer to the equator than our Far Eastern spaceport? I don’t even ask about Arkhangelsk.
Our Free is farther north than the US border with Canada, and Vanderberg base is on the southern borders with Mexico, not to mention Cape Canaveral.
Musk naturally takes more weight into the same orbit. Simple physics. But we will not become closer to the equator, therefore for us the reusability in the form as in the Mask is more a burden, not a benefit. And for him, the big question is to his advantage.
Are you a cash alignment, true, have you seen Mask somewhere? And you won’t see! And for NASA money with hands covered in a thick layer of honey, why not build reusable ...

[Blackmokona]

So after all, it’s difficult for us to build a Sea Launch, and we have a stop, Sea Launch and we can start right from the equator

[Vlad.by]

Well, yes, there is a piece of iron laid. And the PH assembly shop is also there and the component warehouse. Lepota. Just shoot in the sky with bursts. Sea launch, by the way, a private shop, belongs to S7. What did you mean by "we have"? Are you a conspiratorial owner of S7?

[Piramidon]

Quote: donavi49

Just recently CRS-15 delivered 2697 kg of payload. This is more than Progress carries.

And how much your favorite Mask with his CRS-15 will lift from Plesetsk or even from Baikonur?

[Blackmokona]

As much. The maximum load limits the spacecraft, and not the launch vehicle. PH after all the upgrades is now unnecessarily powerful

[Piramidon]

Quote: BlackMokona

The same amount. The maximum load limits the spacecraft, not the launch vehicle.

There it is! But I, naive, always believed that the closer the spaceport to the equator, the greater the payload of the launch vehicle, under all equal conditions. Thanks for the info. It turns out that they lied to me.
PS. Tell me, then, then all these troubles with "sea launches", "Kuru", "Oriental", etc.? Well, they would launch from anywhere.

[Blackmokona]

You completely misunderstood what I said.
At the moment, max Dragon Mon is limited by the capabilities of the Dragon itself, and not Falcon, which launches it into space. Falcon itself is so powerful that it can bring a full Dragon to the ISS even from the north pole.

[Piramidon]

Quote: BlackMokona

You completely misunderstood what I said.
At the moment, max Dragon Mon is limited by the capabilities of the Dragon itself, and not Falcon, which launches it into space. Falcon itself is so powerful that it can bring a full Dragon to the ISS even from the north pole.

Really, I didn’t understand (not special in astronautics). Please explain why the Dragon is limited in capacity? Ours, at one time, simply increased the size of the head of the Soyuz launch vehicle to accommodate more cargo there.
Py.Sy. If I'm wrong, then correct. Just interested (without a subfoot) .

[Blackmokona]

Because the Dragon is designed for a certain mass of cargo, which it can move with its engines, and bring this cargo to the ISS. Changes to max Dragon Mon will require re-certification, rewriting software, and other gimmicks. And even NASA's current max PN does not use, and does not plan to use in the future.
Here you need to remember that the Dragon was created for the needs of NASA on the ISS, and Falcon-9 for the needs of commercial customers who do not care about the ISS, and they need heavy satellites on the GPO (Then they fly to the GSO themselves) And then, taking into account the return of Falcon-9 Block 5 goes to the top of the top.

Thus, creating a larger Dragon did not make sense, just as it does not make sense to modernize it.
Transplanting the Dragon to another rocket is also pointless. Firstly, it will not be a SpaceX rocket (They have only one operational launch vehicle)
Secondly, Atlas-5 will build three times more expensive than Falcon-9 despite a lower payload. Delta 4 is even more expensive
Therefore, neither NASA nor SpaceX needs this either

[Piramidon]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because the Dragon is designed for a certain mass of cargo, which it can move with its engines, and bring this cargo to the ISS. Changes to max Dragon Mon will require re-certification, rewriting software, and other gimmicks. And even NASA's current max PN does not use, and does not plan to use in the future.
Here you need to remember that the Dragon was created for the needs of NASA on the ISS, and Falcon-9 for the needs of commercial customers who do not care about the ISS, and they need heavy satellites on the GPO (Then they fly to the GSO themselves) And then, taking into account the return of Falcon-9 Block 5 goes to the top of the top.

Thus, creating a larger Dragon did not make sense, just as it does not make sense to modernize it.
Transplanting the Dragon to another rocket is also pointless. Firstly, it will not be a SpaceX rocket (They have only one operational launch vehicle)
Secondly, Atlas-5 will build three times more expensive than Falcon-9 despite a lower payload. Delta 4 is even more expensive
Therefore, neither NASA nor SpaceX needs this either

A lot of bukaf, I didn’t understand (I wrote that I was an amateur in astronautics), but thanks for the work.
If explained according to the workers and peasants - then like a reward.

[Blackmokona]

In general, imagine you bought Kamaz to carry bricks. We drove a couple of years. And then at one moment you were hired to carry a complete truck of fluff on it.
A friend comes up and says, from which fright you take so little fluff, you can take him 100 times more. In terms of carrying capacity, this is clearly enough.

[Albert1988]

Yeah, the same “union”, starting with French Guinea, raises almost twice as much as from Baikonur ...

[Blackmokona]

PN Soyuz-2 at the NOO, from different spaceports
7835 kg Plesetsk
8250 kg Baikonur
9200 kg Kuru

[Filxnumx]

The pH after all the upgrades is now unnecessarily powerful

This means that the launch vehicle is oversized, and this is a clear economic miscalculation. In this case, your mask is even more useless businessman than I expected. It’s the same as in a standard shot for the D-30, replace the 122-mm shell with a 76-mm shell or use it to tow this AT-T howitzer. It’s possible, but for God's sake forget about efficiency! And you: "... a genius ...". By cutting dough, he is a genius.

[Blackmokona]

The dragon was created by order of NASA and its requirements, and Falcon-9 block 5 for the needs of the commercial market.

[donavi49]

FT - full load of the spacecraft with return, or drown and a few more cubes to finish.
5 block - full spacecraft load with return and more cubes for good.

The rocket is redundant now for the truck.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Piramidon

how much will your favorite Mask with its CRS-15 lift from Plesetsk or even from Baikonur?

Freightliner Columbia can carry 30 tons of cargo, but the main cargo transportation within 10-15 tons, the same applies to missiles, the maximum load is rarely used, because the customer does not adjust the mass of the satellite to the maximum capabilities of the rocket.

[nathanael]

Whatever they say, God loves us. With a sense of humor, everything is in order. Unbending people in Russia ..

[Altona]

Quote: Evdokim

A system of orientation "Susanin."

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I have the impression that many of us can call it that, especially in the highest echelons of power - Susanin and Gerasim. One leads without knowing where, the other drowns everything that is possible and ends in the water. And both lick the handles of the lady-Christine Lagarde.

[Zubr]

Well, our engineers' sense of humor was always on top .. So we live that we can laugh at the problem, successfully solve it .. And at the expense of the SCIENCE module, well, our WORLD was designed for 5 years of operation, and served 15, even if you have to disassemble the station, it’s disconnected and left in orbit with the orientation module from the union, it’s useful for experiments, I think this was calculated .. Maybe I'm in something wrong, please correct ..

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

The main thing is not to tell this Mask - then he made his Dragon reusable.

Just recently CRS-15 delivered 2697 kg of payload. This is more than Progress carries. At the same time, the ship flew CRS-9 before.

Are you being measured? "Progress MS" is a modular platform and, in addition, a tanker. He can replace the payload compartments - you need an additional new compartment for the station or farm, expanding 30 meters - all this is connected to the universal PAO, attached to an unpressurized compartment with fuel tanks, etc. For example, next year delivery by Progress-UM of the nodal module Berth is planned. Maybe such a dragon? No.

Quote: donavi49

Moreover, the uniqueness of such a tool is not only in the reuey of the ship itself - but also the return to the ground of cargo. In particular, 1547 kg was taken out by the CRS-9 mission. That is, the materials of scientific experiments + took out one of the emergency suits. And this is very valuable - because on-site in-depth diagnostics cannot be carried out. And the manufacturer in the laboratory will do it by fixing the hidden defect.

To deliver cargo to Earth, we have developed a special ship, the Soyuz GVK, i.e. cargo ship. In connection with the launch of the Science module into orbit in November next year, it is planned to increase the experimental work at the station and, accordingly, increase the output of the material, therefore, in August 2019, it is planned to launch the unmanned modified Soyuz MS as part of the work on the GVK Union " It is planned that the Soyuz GVK will be akin to the Progress MS, will be launched on the Soyuz-2.1b, but instead of the fuel compartment for the station, it will have a descent vehicle.

Quote: donavi49

All modern spacecraft - do on reyuze. Unless Kounotori - drown. But there the concept itself is that - that is, TK = to assemble a space barrel into which you can shove loads in two Progresses (and even more - this is the record Kounotori7 soon flying in August - 6580kg) and cheaper.

It all depends on the purpose of delivery. Japanese rarely flies, so such a mass of cargo. "Progresses" fly more often. At this stage, the Progress sealed cargo hold is sufficient for the ISS RS. It will take more to deliver - the compartment will be replaced.

[slipped]

Quote: Zubr

And at the expense of the SCIENCE module, well, our WORLD was designed for 5 years of operation, and served 15, even if you have to disassemble the station, it’s disconnected and left in orbit with the orientation module from the union, it’s useful for experiments, I think this was calculated .. smile Maybe I'm wrong about something, please correct ..

[Zubr]

If I understand correctly, the SCIENCE module is the most voluminous. Pretty overall.

[Samara_63]

Why do we need space? If our ISS really do nothing there! Only selfies remain ... and upload photos on social networks ...

[slipped]

Quote: Samara_63

Why do we need space? If our ISS really do nothing there! Only selfies remain ... and upload photos on social networks ...

Stupid stuffing of a near man. Everything that the astronauts do is described on the Roskosmos website in the corresponding section.

[Samara_63]

This is not a stuffing, it’s realities ... Our bullshit is there, and they understand it themselves, and sometimes they give their places on the ship to foreigners ... Sit back, everyone in the social networks disappears ... and the squad of astronauts slowly runs away, only before the first flight, to get the Star, and then topple into deputies or in the EP ... Even Krikalev said this, the most illustrious and honored astronaut, because of this even he knocked out of the cosmonaut corps ... and plainly recruit nobody they can’t, because they pay a little to those already selected, they will be taken away at the age of 25-30, and you’ll be tormented by waiting for a flight up to 45 years old, you can always get sick (expelled) ... now only old people fly there according to the “blat” ...

[slipped]

Quote: Zubr

If I understand correctly, the SCIENCE module is the most voluminous. Pretty overall.

Not really. It is built on the basis of the FGB backup. The new NEM is created from scratch using modern technology and has a larger internal space of the hermetic compartment.

[slipped]

Quote: Samara_63

This is not a stuffing, it’s realities ... Our bullshit is there, and they understand it themselves, and sometimes they give their places on the ship to foreigners ... Sit back, everyone in the social networks disappears ... and the squad of astronauts slowly runs away, only before the first flight, to get the Star, and then topple into deputies or in the EP ... Even Krikalev said this, the most illustrious and honored astronaut, because of this even he knocked out of the cosmonaut corps ... and plainly recruit nobody they can’t, because they pay a little to those already selected, they will be taken away at the age of 25-30, and you’ll be tormented by waiting for a flight up to 45 years old, you can always get sick (expelled) ... now only old people fly there according to the “blat” ...

The entire set of garbage that walks on the network collected? Everything is fine with the astronauts. New have already been recruited, will soon be presented. And those who retire, stay in touch with the industry, help newcomers and engineers to create new space technology.

[Samara_63]

I essentially wrote everything, and you are either motivated by theft or inadequate

Yes, and about the dialed ones ... do you even look at the photo of the selected woman there to get married, she got married, and her hips a year later are wider than the doorway, how will she crawl through the hatch?
And how many leadership has changed there already? And all with scandals ...

And about the engineers ... in Star City, the leading engineer gets 20 thousand ... and lives in a rented apartment ... Gee

Everything is rotten ...

[slipped]

Quote: Samara_63

I essentially wrote everything, and you are either motivated by theft or inadequate

Gee. What are you saying

Quote: Samara_63

Yes, and about the dialed ones ... do you even look at the photo of the selected woman there to get married, she got married, and her hips a year later are wider than the doorway, how will she crawl through the hatch?

There are no women in the new set. There is a girl from the previous set. It’s quite thin and athletic.

Quote: Samara_63

Everything is rotten ...

You? perhaps. And so, apparently, you did not even see the astronaut live.

[Samara_63]

Only emoticons ...
You would have to fight dissent just right, and not steal in the industry ...

But essentially, they did not refute me in any way ...
let's launch another lover of selfies, Vkontakte and on twitter and instagram the walls from the photo will break ... or else you have things to do in Orbit ...

Cleanse yourself, Rot and Cronyism remove! However, it is not destined, the head of the branch of the son himself is promoting, there is nothing to cover!
Yes, and I generally talked about the selections ... there you have a lot of curious personalities ... they are preparing themselves as deputies! Gee ... The CPC is preparing DEPUTIES! Bugaga!
You are a seasoned bureaucrat! Thief! Even Krikalev is not your authority ... Run to him, fall to your knees, and ask to return!

[slipped]

I don’t even want to quote this explosion of nonsense, and Krikalev still works in the industry - he is engaged in negotiations on the lunar station.

[Samara_63]

Well, the industry is big ... he works in Energy, but he has to work in the CPC ... with his experience ... The people like you survived from there, for he told the truth that the CPC is preparing DEPUTIES!

[Filxnumx]

CPC is preparing DEPUTIES!

So write that you wanted to become a DEPUTY, but they did not take you to the cosmonaut squad! Why print extra letters?

[Samara_63]

So far, acting deputies are leaving for Deputies, and getting fat in the Duma ...
Anyone in the squad needs a Star for the first flight so that later ... to go to the Duma or to EP, or where else to attach ...
Such as Krikalev fans of his craft, units ...

[Old26]

Quote: Samara_63

Cleanse yourself, Rot and Cronyism remove! However, it is not destined, the head of the branch of the son himself is promoting, there is nothing to cover!

Well, today he is in this industry, and you are already making a conclusion about everything. Here, for example, "nepotism" did not help Tyurina Alexandra pass the contest in the Detachment. And this despite the fact that her father is an astronaut. Well, nothing to cover? And Rogozin. Put him tomorrow for medicine - he will steer it too, and promote his son in it, despite the fact that he is not a doctor at all. And you are carrying some kind of rambling nonsense. Well left Krikalev. What were the internal reasons there - we are not aware. He left to work in the industry, not as a janitor.

Quote: slipped

There are no women in the new set. There is a girl from the previous set. It’s quite thin and athletic.

Kikina?

[slipped]

she herself, here she jumps with a parachute