People or consumers? What happened to the veteran who was refused to be hospitalized by an ambulance crew?

Scandal with amazing inhumanity stories with a veteran of the Great Patriotic War from the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District is gaining momentum. We are talking about 92-year-old Vladimir Nikolayenko, a resident of Novy Urengoy, whose relatives summoned an ambulance in connection with the deterioration of the veteran’s health, but for several hours could not get his hospitalization from the medical staff.

About this blatant case a few days ago told the regional branch of the Communist Party in the YNAO. On the party site was told about the development of the situation.

It turned out that the ambulance team, which arrived at the residence address of Vladimir Nikolayenko, for about three hours refused to take a WWII veteran to the clinic.

The daughter of a veteran says that the ambulance paramedic stated that "such an emergency is not necessary when the patient dies in their car." The ambulance team made such a statement, despite the fact that the attending physician issued an order for the elderly man to be hospitalized immediately.

Only after more than three hours after the arrival of the ambulance and against the background of emotional negotiations with unfortunate doctors, the patient was still hospitalized. Now he is in the intensive care unit, as reported RIA News.

In connection with the incident, the local investigation department of the IC of Russia began to check the actions of physicians. In the emergency department, Novy Urengoy stated that the very representatives of the medical assistant brigade, who refused to hospitalize the veteran, were dismissed from their posts.

The regional prosecutor's office has joined the examination of the blatant case.

And here it’s not so much a question of criminal law as a question of humanity, that suddenly short-term well-being becomes higher than the life of a person who did not spare himself during the war years, including those Yamal medical assistants who came to light in peacetime.

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[Dormidont]

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

[DEDPIHTO]

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

needed, but with a human face, the fact described above is egregious and I think a single

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

needed, but with a human face, the fact described above is egregious and I think a single

You are naive.))) There is no capitalism with a human face.
Read Dostoevsky, Gorky, they wrote directly about today.
Isolated cases will soon be inconspicuous everyday life.
Still remember 1917 and 8 hours a day.))))

[Kondratko]

Quote: hhhhhhh

and 8 hours a working day

Already, remember. Where there was a Labor Code, trade unions, justice and humanity, finally, there a huge reproductive organ grew. Frozen "from rags to riches" -capitalists reaches its climax.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

needed, but with a human face, the fact described above is egregious and I think a single

Capitalism with a “human face” does not exist. This is when the USSR and the countries of socialism existed, the capitalists in the West were forced to give way to their proletariat in its social security in a competitive struggle with socialism and temporarily surpass (?) It in something demonstratively advertising and propaganda.
And now the USSR and the countries of socialism are gone - and capitalism, in its disgusting, inhuman form, is advancing on human rights to work worthily and live all over the world.

What such a system comes down to in the post-Soviet space is about the same thing, but in other words, the Ukrainian Zionist Igor Berkut spoke more openly and cynically on behalf of the oligarchs regarding Ukraine.
The economic difference between Ukraine and the Russian Federation in reserves lies only in different scales and resources of these countries. It’s just that Ukraine is a country on a scale smaller than Russia, therefore, similar social processes in Ukraine have passed and are proceeding faster than in Russia, and prognostic conclusions are already visible in reality.

Ukraine will have enough 5 of millions of inhabitants, the rest to utilize Igor Berkut Published: 1 oct. 2014

[Tatyana]

Quote: Dormidont

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

We are talking about capitalist reform in social security in the form of the so-called "optimization" of medical services in the country in general for self-repayment of state medical institutions or, in effect, curtailing free medical care for Russians in the Russian Federation.

Let us recall at least the "optimization" of obstetric care in the Ministry of Health, which was carried out recently in our country. This is also hell that with the side of the "bow"!

Russia. Russian abortions, migrants of the hospital! Posted: 16 Jan 2014


Pay attention with 2: 50 min.
Yaroslavl Region Health Director Sergei Vundervald says:
- Health care is a branch of the economy (whether someone likes it or does not like it), but there is this concept of “efficiency”. The law has not written anywhere that I must have an obstetric bed in every locality.

To what the government reform of public health in the field of gynecology and obstetrics has been reduced, the head physician of the obstetric-genecological department of the city of Orenburg, D.V. Nefedov (see video from 4: 49 min.:
- I (his hospital) receive from the state about 20 million rubles a year for the PLAN-ORDER from the state for ... abortions. The hospital does not receive a dime to prevent abortion. Because Russia has created such conditions that it is beneficial for us (the medical profession) for people to have abortions. Health is beneficial. So long as this system does not change, you should not expect otherwise. Moreover, there are world statistics that women who have had an abortion after that regret it all their lives. This is in many countries of the world.
As an employer, I pay a salary to doctors. And if we do not fulfill the PLAN-ORDER given to us by the state for abortion, then tomorrow there will be nothing for doctors to pay salaries

For officials of the Ministry of Health with their government monetarism, even obstetric beds in populated areas are LOSSY! And what can we say then about unprofitable beds for people of retirement age ?! All the same.

Russian capitalist society is morally degrading in the social at all costs.

[atalef]

Quote: hhhhhhh

You are naive.))) There is no capitalism with a human face.

is

Quote: hhhhhhh

Read Dostoevsky, Gorky, they wrote directly about today.

so they wrote about autocracy - which in general is now.

[kakvastam]

Then Dickens, Dreiser, Sinclair will be in the subject, and Jack London and O'Henry can find a lot of interesting things in this regard.
Pure capitalism with a human face is impossible in principle, it’s another matter that there are practically no pure forms of social structure, there is always a confusion. In our case, capitalism is being built in its extreme version, and the domestic authorities have not yet been aware of the need to share and restrain their own appetites.

[hhhhhhh]

is

Where is it? In Israel? Where were the Arabs driven from their land and continue to be killed for it?
What is the justice of capitalism? Justice it is different. The Germans considered fair the extermination of Jews and Slavs.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: hhhhhhh

There is no capitalism with a human face.
Read Dostoevsky, Gorky, they wrote directly about today

And if you read Sozhenitsin, you brain can not stand the brain from socialism? Or send you to the paradise of socialism of the DPRK or Venezuela, I think Solzhenitsyn No. 2 will appear in your person

[kakvastam]

Why read all sorts of nastiness?
Although, if graphomanian prose is considered literature, then it is possible to unearth such "treasures" ...

[hhhhhhh]

And if you read Sozhenitsyn

I read, and even believed. But then Solzhenitsyn proposed to drop atomic bombs on me completely and I became more critical of him.
What do you dislike about your Soviet education?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hhhhhhh

You are naive.)))

do not poke and will not be plugged

Quote: hhhhhhh

Read Gorky

Peshkova? Well, yes, yes, yes ... who lived and wrote in France, there is a monument to him, a philosophical measure. What exactly do you propose to read that I did not read?

Quote: hhhhhhh

Isolated cases will soon be inconspicuous everyday life.

you right now promise it to everyone right now?

Quote: hhhhhhh

There is no capitalism with a human face.

Oh really? Singapore - Hong Kong - the same France, although for you capitalism is a poster of a man with a fat belly who rides a peasant

[hhhhhhh]

do not poke and will not be plugged

Internet is free. You must be earned.

Singapore - Hong Kong - the same France

This is a joke?)))
Singapore-Hong Kong the poor work hard around the clock, the rich are getting fat. There is no justice. Never.
France ???))) Railroad strikes from a happy life. For several months, trains travel every other day. )))

although for you capitalism is a poster of an uncle with a fat belly who rides a peasant

For you, capitalism is an independent court, competition, the absence of corruption. Tales from the 90s.)))) It's time for you to grow up.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Internet is free. You must be earned

serve - your yard dog will earn

Quote: hhhhhhh

Singapore-Hong Kong the poor work hard around the clock, the rich are getting fat. There is no justice. Never.

Yes, my friend, you decided on the planet to find justice? so in Singapore it is 100 times more than in Ryazan

Quote: hhhhhhh

France ???))) Railroad strikes from a happy life.

you are so naive that there is no point in continuing a dialogue with you - strikes because of what ?? Are you sure that babosy do not pay them and forbid smoking at work you're just ridiculous

Quote: hhhhhhh

For you, capitalism is

is an independent court! freedom of voice! equal rights among citizens, and for you, ravings from TV

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

so in Singapore it is 100 times more than in Ryazan

Have you been to Singapore? In Ryazan, you bought a car and ride as much as you want. In Singapore, you justly pay a lot of money at an auction for the "right" to have a car.

it is an independent court! freedom of voice! equal rights among citizens, and for you, ravings from TV

What country is this in? Trump called the media corrupt and deceitful. I believe Trump)))))

strikes because of what ?? Are you sure that babosy do not pay them and forbid smoking at work

Pension strikes. Zero from the strikes, pensions will still be taken from the French hard workers and salaries will be lowered.
Scoops are so funny when they talk about bright capitalist happiness.)))

[Essex62]

Actually, it does not make sense to prove something like the preachers of a pretty face of a huckster. He is a class enemy, with all those who stick out. Nothing ended in 93m, everything is just beginning. The bourgeois did not tolerate the complete reformatting of people's consciousness, the etching of the memory of socialism, has not yet been completed, and they have begun to run into the rights of the working people. Despite the very written and adopted constitution. It is fraught .....

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hhhhhhh

In Ryazan you bought a car and ride

you buy first (the cost of the car is not available to hard workers) and then try to ride - you will immediately get money

Quote: hhhhhhh

pensions will still be taken away from the French hard workers and salaries
will lower.

Do you like Kiselev’s tales or nightingale screeching?

Quote: hhhhhhh

Scoops are so funny

maybe scoops and funny, but not tagged silly like quilted jackets

[hhhhhhh]

you buy first

Who then gets stuck in traffic in the morning? Hard workers who need to go to work.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Do you like Kiselev’s tales or nightingale screeching?

You go to Paris and ask the French what is on strike. They told me that there was less money and more work.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

maybe scoops and funny, but not tagged silly like quilted jackets

You think you will drink Bavarian.)))) Work as in the USSR, but salaries and pensions as in the EU.)))) There will be no beer and salary. Everything is on the soap.

May 9, 1945 is Victory Day for you?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: hhhhhhh

You go to Paris and ask the French what are on strike

month from there and right now you write silly fucking

Quote: hhhhhhh

You think you will drink Bavarian.)))

I do not think, but I know that I will eat, drink, do

Quote: hhhhhhh

May 9, 1945 is Victory Day for you?

why are you jumping? it remains for you not only to flood, but also to be rude.
May 9 - a holiday of happiness and Victory - No. 1 holiday, satisfied?

[hhhhhhh]

[quote = Sandor Clegane] a month as from there and you are now writing a stupid absurdity [/ quote] There is no railroad strike in France and has never happened? Can't go to Paris? what is nonsense?
After the collapse of the USSR, social programs are being curtailed in all countries. It is a fact. I heard about the demonstrations about the 12 hour work day, recently.

[quote = hhhhhhh] Scoops are so funny, [/ quote]
maybe scoops and funny, but not tagged silly like quilted jackets [/ quote] Who are you?

[Alf]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

equal rights of citizens,

And in the USSR there were equal OPPORTUNITIES. Now in Russia, too, everyone has equal rights. "Want to be rich, be it," does not work, your problems.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Alf

And in the USSR there were equal OPPORTUNITIES

from whom?

Quote: Alf

"Want to be rich, be it," doesn’t work — your problems

are you naive the whole country wants to be well off - only here for 139 million Russians it doesn’t work out well — is this their problem?

Quote: Alf

Now in Russia, too, everyone has equal rights

your rights are only in the kitchen - the rest

[Alf]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

are you naive the whole country wants to be well off - only here for 139 million Russians it doesn’t work out well — is this their problem?

This is how they explain it to us. Here Vadim says so constantly237.

[MPN]

Communist Party of the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug

The whole top of the Communist Party to settle there and there will be honey for bees ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: MPN

The whole top of the Communist Party to settle there and there will be honey for bees ...

And why not the EP with the LDPR? People will provide cars with kayles for free.

[MPN]

Well, as long as the EP gave the president, the LDPR has a pocket opposition, they should live in the capital ... So it would be closer to their homeland, to Alaska ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: MPN

So it would be close to their homeland, to Alaska ...

Impressive

[Svetlana]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

needed, but with a human face, the fact described above is egregious and I think a single

You are mistaken, dear. Both in the first and in the second statement. There can be no capitalism with a human face at all, yes and no, simply, in comparison with our country, wild feudal capitalism, but rather just feudalism, in developed countries capitalism is still with elements of socialism. And we have such cases all the time. Young ambulances are not always taken away if you do not give money. And in this case, apparently, the relatives immediately found a way to influence the team, immediately turned to someone influential with a complaint. And it had an effect. As is the case with a drunk boy.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Svetlana

And in this case, apparently, the relatives immediately found a way to influence the team, immediately turned to someone influential with a complaint.

It took them 3 and a half hours. Some strange influence.
It’s enough to scare prosecutors

[sapporo1959]

To the country! In order to fulfill their duties, it is imperative that the prosecutor’s office scare them, either the State Department, or a letter to Putin personally ..

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Svetlana

You are mistaken, dear. Both in the first and in the second statement. There can be no capitalism with a human face at all,

well yes yes yes ..... communism happens, well, or socialism

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

needed, but with a human face, the fact described above is egregious and I think a single

Of course, it is just a single bad fact in this case in medicine. So, we already have one unit. But I have one more unit of a bad fact in medicine, for some it may not be so egregious, but it’s massive. So there’s still how to see which is worse: (source of MK for 06.07.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
"This week, the medical community is vigorously discussing a seemingly ordinary event - the departure of another doctor from the public health system.
The departure of physicians - doctors, paramedics, nurses from medicine in general, and from the state healthcare system in particular - is not uncommon, and in recent years the outflow has been very noticeable. There is nothing outlandish in this, it would seem, what is there to discuss?
However, this story attracted the attention of both doctors and patients by two peculiarities: it’s not just a doctor who is leaving, but, according to the patients who voted, the best local doctor-general practitioner who was among the top ten best doctors in Moscow:
Zemlyanukhina Anna Alexandrovna Diagnostic Center No. 5 (NEAD) average score - 9,859.
And he leaves not silently, but publicly outlining in detail in an open letter why such a cardinal decision was made.
The text of the letter is very large. In the first part, Anna Zemlyanuhina talks about herself, and it becomes clear that in medicine she is not an accidental person. Further, the doctor in 5 points, very carefully and reasonably sets out the reasons for his departure from his favorite clinic from his beloved patients.
This open letter is truly a document of the era, which allows the insider to see what is hidden under the “thick layer of chocolate coating” of the Russian healthcare reform.
In the first place, as the reason for her departure from the state clinic, therapist Anna Zemlyanuhina put the impossibility of providing full medical care to patients in the allotted 15 minutes of time. To the cunning remarks of officials: “the doctor can spend as much as the patient requires”, Zemlyanukhina replies: “in practice, waiting in the patients' corridor for more than 20 minutes involves fines. How can you spend more than 15 minutes on the patient, but to prevent others from waiting in the corridor for a full recording for every 15 minutes? If the recording is not complete, then a fine for not fulfilling the plan. "
As you can see, doctors, like police officers, have a "stick" system. “Didn’t get” patients - fine! It turns out that if healthy people don’t want to get sick, should the doctor walk around the apartments and infect everyone with the flu virus? Or chickenpox? To "make an appointment was complete"! 
The conveyor load is exacerbated by a stream of paper work. Most of the primary care and ambulance colleagues complain about this. The dirty tricks of bureaucratic short stories in organizing the work of the local therapist and ambulance doctor are that during the shift there is no separate time for filling out and processing documents. But there are a lot of documents, and they require a lot of time to fill out: "It takes about 40 minutes to draw up a disability messenger. MRI takes 20 minutes. Referrals and discharge to other health facilities take 15 minutes."
As a result: either the doctor writes these pieces of paper at the reception, cutting out time due to the full collection of anamnesis and examination of patients, or sits after the reception, spending his personal time, and chronically processing! “I’m tired of working 10-11 hours a day, and doing homework with my child at 5 in the morning,” writes Zemlyanuhina, a doctor in her open letter.
Chronic processing is chronic stress, which sooner or later ends with professional burnout: "I went to work every day for the past few months with disgust and looked forward to the end of the working day."
From these words it is obvious: one cannot tolerate further, one must leave.
"But what about other doctors?" - you ask. And other doctors adapted: “Someone goes to smoke 20 times per appointment, and on the cards there is nothing, and the result of the reception is zero. And the record was filled out for me 2 weeks in advance, and the entire 9-hour appointment went on without a break ... Almost every patient from someone else’s site is a blank sheet. It is necessary to collect an anamnesis, write down the underlying disease, background, attendants, understand examinations, treatment, give recommendations on lifestyle and nutrition, treatment. And this despite the fact that the patient is already was this year repeatedly with his district or several doctors. "
Well, what about the patients? And patients are happy to jump onto the "horse", which continues to drag this "cart": "Patients from my site could not get to me, because half of the reception was made by patients from other sites ... At some point, there were so many patients that I couldn’t even remember their faces, not like diagnoses and treatment ... Recently, they returned the recording according to the precinct principle. But patients from other sections continued to record, trying to persuade or deceive administrators, they wrote letters to DZM that they didn’t want to attach them to me " .
In conclusion, a colleague writes that she is tired. I'm tired of what we all are tired of - and we, doctors, and you, dear patients: "I'm tired of hypocrisy. Manuals. DZM. Some colleagues. Avoiding answers to the side. Lack of answers in answers. Ignoring problems and substituting solutions problems picture of lime stability and well-being. "
Well, what else is there to add?
It would be good if every doctor, whether leaving public medicine in private, or from medicine in general, would state and publicly disclose all the reasons that made him take such a step. Maybe then something would move in the minds of officials and ordinary people, and the situation would begin to change ... for the better, not the worse.
I wonder who the patients of the doctor Anna Zemlyanuhina will go to see now? To those "doctors" who "go to smoke 20 times per appointment?"

How many more units of bad facts to bring, what would a negative trend in medicine in particular, as well as in the country become clearly understandable? Or someone else doubts that the result of almost all the reforms in our state is that the experiment is unsuccessful, the next reform is needed. But we (the population) are not experimental rabbits. Why does this happen? Yes, the answer to the data has long been on the surface: Quartet. Krylov’s fable "and you friends, no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians." This applies to both GDP and its government.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Leshy1975

To the cunning remarks of officials: "the doctor can spend as much on reception as the situation requires for this patient"

The official had in mind himself beloved, but not everyone else from the site of this doctor! Although they, relatives of the dog, belong to other clinics! And it would be necessary to CLOSE those half-clinics and let everyone go in line orders to their regional ones!

[reservist]

unfortunately no not a single
it seems that now doctors "do not need" the deceased patients, the elderly and the incurable are trying to "push" out of the hospital to die at home
In any case, it was (not so veteran from Novy Urengoy, in a “softer” form, well, we did what we could, now take the patient home) with four of my already deceased relatives

[Stas157]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

needed, but with a human face, the fact described above is egregious and I think a single

Unit?? Yes, only in my personal experience three times the doctors refused to provide medical care! I will describe one of them. Workers in the production brutally beat one (broke ribs and leaked eyes). He barely walked, falling along the highway when I picked him up. I brought him to the nearest hospital, and there they say to me: - We do not need him !! Why did you bring it? And if he had died in your car, he wouldn’t have justified himself!
I barely convinced me to take first aid to the poor fellow! To do this, I had to call the head doctor and he reluctantly agreed, under the pressure of the fact that I would complain.
So this, the described case in the article is far from an isolated one, but rather the norm for modern Russia, where everything is decided only by money, and psychology (in fact, a national idea!) To row everything for yourself, to love your beloved, and to spit on the others from a high tower .

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Needed, but with a human face

Well, yes ..... and bandits are also ...... with a human face!
But socialism with a human face does not suit you?

Quote: Sandor Clegane

The fact described above is a blatant and I think a single

Single? Yes, it turns out that you never watch or read the news! Alas, such a case is not unique! Mankurts multiply!

[210ox]

You're right .. IT we don’t need .. This “man in the case” didn’t see anything and will not see anything else, but like those who write these instructions. There’s no person in them .. A trained monkey and that would behave like a human ..

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Then why do we need him so much, this capitalism?

[revnagan]

But wasn’t it too late for you to ask yourself such a question? It was necessary somewhere in 1989-1991 to think.

[Igoresha]

but now lost and salary

[Baloo]

Quote: Dormidont

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

Are you kidding me? Ugly. Colleagues, I remind you: you have the magic phone number of an insurance company in your policies. Your right to demand help from her. There is a territorial fund of compulsory medical insurance. There is a round-the-clock telephone on duty of the regional health or the Ministry of Health.
Fershal did ugly. This is not his mind, the business will die, not die. His job is to assess the state of vital functions, if necessary, to optimize them during transportation. They did it right, they fired.

[Phil77]

Quote: Dormidont

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

It’s just inhumanity, unprofessionalism and moral degeneration of these * doctors *! The family is not without freaks!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Phil77

Quote: Dormidont

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

It’s just inhumanity, unprofessionalism and moral degeneration of these * doctors *! The family is not without freaks!

This is not degeneration, it is the consequences of the reform of the Ministry of Health. They are still coming. Given the fact that the government wants to transfer everything to a commercial basis, soon the challenges of the hospitalization brigade will be paid. In the US, this is the norm. Then the full paragraph will come for the elderly and the population in general, and for Medvedev, Skvortsova and Co. there will come an era of phenomenal self-healing of the people.

[AUL]

Quote: Dormidont

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

Capitalism - of course, everything can be attributed to it. Only this brigade of paramedics - it was not composed of such cool bourgeoisie. The trouble is not in the system, but in ourselves. Many were scolded beyond measure. Although under socialism, such had to be faced.

[DEDPIHTO]

The trouble is not in the system, but in ourselves. Many were scolded beyond measure. Although under socialism, such had to be faced.

Capitalism promotes its values, socialism-its. And these values ​​are also opposite, as well as these two systems. Accordingly, much more people will be PEOPLE in the mass where the human values ​​are propagated and not material. And vice versa, it is difficult to grow a MAN in a propagated society of consumption and profit, respectively, and such scoundrels such a society will grow much more than PEOPLE ... a dead end for MANKIND.

[Ros 56]

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

Dormidont, he is also in Africa Dormidont.
Are you completely deprived of your brains, like that paramedic with an ambulance. And for what our soldiers laid their heads in the Great Patriotic War, and in Chechnya, and they are now laying it. Such as you must be deprived of citizenship with the automatic deprivation of all bonuses.

[Chicha squad]

Why then salaries are not like in a capitalist state?

[ghby]

Quote: Dormidont

You can also understand the paramedic - why should he lose the bonus? This is capitalism baby

This is not capitalism, but bureaucracy. When an assessment of the actions of workers is given by non-professionals evaluating statistics. This is fundamentally wrong. Moreover, this situation is in all areas of the state. Because of this, heaps of reports of instructions and other unnecessary junk, about which they do not remember, multiply. And the performance assessment is put only in numbers. they are easy to understand and say where more. But to say in this case - whether everything was done correctly - knowledge is already needed and not every leader can do it. But this approach should be the right one, well, they didn’t get to the hospital, but they did everything right - what demand? it should not even fall into a negative parameter, but judging by the statement of the paramedic, it falls. Everything is the same in law enforcement bodies, the prosecutor’s office is so mired in reports and analyzes, and there are more and more of them every year. Soon there will be posts of analysts on sorting reports))) well, if they have not already appeared. And for every new report or new control parameter, a new one is needed, well, of course, they should check it in Moscow - this is how an army of loafers is born who use elementary school mathematics in their activity, getting a decent average for regional, and in Moscow just a big average salary from the state budget . I exaggerate everything of course, but something like this I imagine it all. And the feldsher was punished, but the rest of the feldsher will be under pressure, they will not punish the doomed patient, they will punish him, but they will die in the car, or will they arrange a full audit on the occasion that will reveal something, what to do? how to survive? and God forbid everyone to work with them.

Once upon a time there lived an Ant. And he really liked to work ...

Every day, in the morning, a cheerful and happy Ant began work early.

He had good performance and he was funny and happy.

Somehow, a bumblebee flew by. He looked at the cheerful and happy Ant and decided that the Ant could not work on its own, and therefore Bumblebee created a company, and appointed himself CEO.

And the happy Ant continued to work!

And the company was successful, but ...

The CEO of Bumblebee decided that someone should control the work of the Ant. So the position of overseer was created and the Dung Beetle was hired.

And the happy Ant continued to work!

The main concern of the Dung Beetle was to organize the work of the Ant. And he made the Ant draw up reports on the daily work done.

And the happy Ant worked and made daily reports!

Soon, a secretary position was needed to help the Dung Beetle in reading and recording Ant reports.

Therefore, they hired a Spider who classified documents and answered phone calls.

And the happy Ant worked, worked, worked ...

The bumblebee was very pleased with the reports of the Dung Beetle and requested additional reports, forecasts and calculations of various indicators.

There was a need to hire a Cockroach as an assistant to the Dung Beetle.

... And also buy a computer and a color printer.

Soon, a productive and happy Ant began to complain about all the reports that he had to provide. And everything became less fun for him ...

CEO Bumblebee realized that action was needed.

As a result, a Department was created at the place where the productive and still cheerful Ant worked.

A Grasshopper was appointed to the position of Head of the Department. He built himself a modern office and equipped it accordingly.

The new head of the Department needed an assistant to help him prepare strategic plans and budget for the Department, in which the productive and still cheerful Ant worked.

But the Ant no longer sang, as before, and became more irritable ...

Once, the CEO Bumblebee, looking at the numbers, realized that the Department where the Ant works is not as profitable as before.

After thinking, Bumblebee decided to hire an Owl as a consultant to conduct diagnostics of the company.

The owl spent three months in the company and after studying the state of affairs, it issued a conclusion: “There are too many staff in the Department!”

Following the advice of a consultant, we carried out a reduction in the number of staff. The ant turned out to be the first on the list, as recently he was dissatisfied with everything ...

[Rogharg thrumthrod]

This is not capitalism, but those very moral bonds.

[bouncyhunter]

These are not doctors, but some kind of moral-genetic degenerates. What is the Hippocratic oath already canceled?

[hhhhhhh]

Money cancels all oaths.

[Logall]

What is the oath of Hippocrates? Does anyone know how it starts?
Hippocratic Oath:

“I swear by Apollo, the doctor Asclepius, Hygea and Panakea, all the gods and goddesses, taking them as witnesses ...”

[Baloo]

Quote: Logall

What is the oath of Hippocrates? Does anyone know how it starts?

Right, let them read to the end. There are many, the oath of the Soviet doctor and something else there.
Personally, I like the code of Russian officers of the tsarist army.
As for the oaths, it bothers me too, the doctors stopped bringing up the doctors. There are good, talented young people, they are always learning something new, they are harassing questions, they are attentive to the sick. At the graduation professor, the cardiologist advised us: I can teach any monkey to operate on the heart, and alas, not everyone is given the chance to think surgically. The professor advised the children's surgeon: treat patients as close relatives. With this I lived and worked. Although I also have a small cemetery from those whom I could not help. There is something to be proud of, but there is something to remember that you don’t want to be ashamed and insulting, sad. All health and patience.

[Going]

Good day to all, and the oath now is:

Doctor's Oath
Article 71 of Federal Law No. 323 “On the Basics of Protecting Citizens' Health
in the Russian Federation ”dated 21.11.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX.
1. Persons who have completed the development of the main educational program of higher medical education, upon receipt of a document on higher professional education, take the oath of the doctor as follows:
“Receiving the high rank of a doctor and embarking on a professional career, I solemnly swear:
honestly fulfill your medical duty,
devote their knowledge and skills to the prevention and treatment of diseases, the preservation and strengthening of human health;
to be always ready
provide medical assistance
keep medical confidentiality
carefully and carefully treat the patient,
act exclusively in his interests, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, or other circumstances;
show the highest respect for human life, never resort to the implementation of euthanasia;
keep gratitude and respect for their teachers,
to be demanding and fair to their students, to contribute to their professional growth;
Be kind to colleagues
seek help and advice if the interests of the patient require it,
and never to deny colleagues help and advice;
constantly improve your professional skills,
protect and develop the noble traditions of medicine. ”

[Igoresha]

As for the oaths, it bothers me too, doctors stopped raising doctors

And for a long time already - from Luhansk 90% of the doctors left and did not return, not a single pediatric cardiologist in Krasnodon to the whole city.

[Mik13]

Quote: Igoresha

And for a long time already - from Luhansk 90% of the doctors left and did not return, not a single pediatric cardiologist in Krasnodon to the whole city.

You're lying.

[Igoresha]

Yeah, I’m lying, pediatric andrologists, those who treat the genitourinary system already TWO. They drove the child in the winter.

[Svetlana]

Quote: bouncyhunter

These are not doctors, but some kind of moral-genetic degenerates. What is the Hippocratic oath already canceled?

It has long been violated, like the Constitution.

[Igoresha]

commies canceled the oath of Hippocrates, replacing it with the oath of Soviet doctors. Mina was laid.

[hhhhhhh]

Again, the USSR is to blame))))) "Yes, my friend, a scoop of the brain."))) In the United States, veterans are not thrown out into the street?

[Igoresha]

And who? Recently, he read A. Podrabinek’s autobiographical book, Dissidents, in which the author asserted (without a twinkle, however, with just one sentence) that it was considered unprofitable to treat old people in the USSR - they say there was no sense in them.

[Baloo]

Quote: Igoresha

And who? Recently, he read A. Podrabinek’s autobiographical book, Dissidents, in which the author asserted (without a twinkle, however, with just one sentence) that it was considered unprofitable to treat old people in the USSR - they say there was no sense in them.

he is a dope. In our country, even in 105 years, during the Soviet era, a grandmother with a hip neck was operated on.

[Phil77]

Quote: Igoresha

And who? Recently, he read A. Podrabinek’s autobiographical book, Dissidents, in which the author asserted (without a twinkle, however, with just one sentence) that it was considered unprofitable to treat old people in the USSR - they say there was no sense in them.

Yes, the source of information is still the same, you would still quote Novodvorskaya Borovoy and evil spirits!

[Phil77]

Quote: Svetlana

Quote: bouncyhunter

These are not doctors, but some kind of moral-genetic degenerates. What is the Hippocratic oath already canceled?

It has long been violated, like the Constitution.

What about ordinary, normal doctors, policemen, firefighters, etc. who just honestly carry out their duty? They are not written about in newspapers and news, well, what to write? There’s no sensation!

[Igoresha]

They are not written about in newspapers and news, well, what to write? There is no sensation!

Let the seeker find! Also enjoy the read.
https://knigavuhe.ru/book/zapiski-rajjonnogo-khir
urga / "Note of the district surgeon", 90s

[Baloo]

Quote: Phil77

What about ordinary, normal-doctors, cops, firefighters

Prailno, there are more of them.

[Major Yurik]

Quote: bouncyhunter

These are not doctors, but some kind of moral-genetic degenerates. What is the Hippocratic oath already canceled?

Hello Pasha! If I don’t confuse anything, but the Hippocratic oath is no longer accepted, I’m tired of seeing it. And the fact that the level of cynicism among physicians is on the upper level of measurement, and second only to police officers, is a well-known fact. Costs of a profession, however!

[bouncyhunter]

Yura, hello! I have no doubt that such pills are the loudest complaining that they are paid little.

[parusnik]

What can I say ..

[cariperpaint]

Life .. Miracles in the letter m at all times were enough

[Altona]

Now this is normal. The ambulance refuses to come to the call. And if a person was nevertheless taken away, then they often refuse to hospitalize him. There was such a case with my father recently, one doctor refused to admit him to the hospital, since there was a change of change and she was replaced, and the father’s successor already accepted.

[shubin]

I confirm. In Kirov, if the patient is over 70, the ambulance does not leave. Survived.

[Baloo]

Quote: shubin

I confirm. In Kirov, if the patient is over 70, the ambulance does not leave. Survived.

This is a matter for the dispatcher.

[dog breeder]

Altona (Eugene)
Now this is normal. The ambulance refuses to come to the call. And if a person was nevertheless taken away, then they often refuse to hospitalize him. There was such a case with my father recently, one doctor refused to admit him to the hospital, since there was a change of change and she was replaced, and the father’s successor already accepted.

Dislocated (uncensored version is not accepted) reality! A man is drowning - everyone is taking pictures on the phone, there is no one to save, you urgently need to put it somewhere; an ambulance hurries to a call - the major blocked the road with his dear trough, even if they arrived, they can “give the snout” to the staff, or, like that, be negligent; on playgrounds, the Wippers walk their sleek dogs without muzzles ... Yes, a lot of all that. Are we striving for this? To take a separate negative staff and to react negatively to it as well - will yell "amnestozachto?" Oh, m ...

[Igoresha]

people too are guilty or there is no punishment without guilt

[Coronel76]

It’s not the paramedics who are to blame, but their superiors and the politics of all our health care.

[kepmor]

so what ... take it higher ... Putin is to blame ... how could it be without him

[Moore]

Quote: kepmor

so what ... take it higher ... Putin is to blame ... how could it be without him

And why is it necessary to separate the legally elected President from the Government appointed by him and with his knowledge, which has already been creating these “reforms” for a year ??
The actions of all these felsharas, their petty bosses - these are all logical consequences. Welcome to capitalism.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: kepmor

so what ... take it higher ... Putin is to blame ... how could it be without him

Yes, no damn it. On the “ship” in almost all departments the mess is, the further, the more, and the captain has nothing to do with it all the time, and yes “overboard” such a captain. Until the whole ship is ditched.

[Igoresha]

take it higher ... Putin is to blame

I remember a video of how the traffic police didn’t miss an ambulance with a baby car — they were waiting for Putin’s motorcade. Now the time has passed and the “bulk” has grown

[PROXOR]

So that they are also left to die in old age !!! !!! I don’t understand one thing. Well, you don’t want to work as a paramedic - go where you want. I became a paramedic - CARRY RESPONSIBILITY FOR LIFE!

[Viktor Afanasev]

This is only a sensational case, like - the mass. The most “funny” thing is that this attitude of doctors happens to their colleagues themselves ...

[Reserve buildbat]

The fact that this 92-year veteran was generally hospitalized is already a good thing. The ambulance has tips not to hospitalize people older than 60. Moreover, operators often simply refuse to send a car if the patient is more than 60 years old.
This is a "right financial" capitalism. Socialism is “economically inefficient”, you don’t steal a lot there, but now everything is fine. People - consumables

[Phil77]

Quote: stock buildbat

The fact that this 92-year veteran was generally hospitalized is already a good thing. The ambulance has tips not to hospitalize people older than 60. Moreover, operators often simply refuse to send a car if the patient is more than 60 years old.
This is a "right financial" capitalism. Socialism is “economically inefficient”, you don’t steal a lot there, but now everything is fine. People - consumables

My mother is 78 years old, she recently had a bad heart. The team arrived and did the necessary procedures and calmly took them to the hospital. And as for the operators, all the conversations are recorded. No need to generalize, there are more normal professionals, only they don’t write about them!

[ghby]

Quote: Phil77

No need to generalize, there are more normal professionals, only they don’t write about them!

They never write about the good, but they try to share the bad. It always has been. Although not always, in the USSR they shared good ...

[Baloo]

Quote: Stroibat stock

Moreover, operators often simply refuse to send a car if the patient is over 60 years old.

This is a matter of jurisdiction. We have patients with injuries of 90 and older each year, not everyone can help. We are trying.

[UAZ 452]

There are no such signs now. They were just (unofficially, of course) in Soviet times. So my grandfather with a heart attack because of "non-transportability" was left to be treated at home.

[HAM]

And the sense of the ambulance: they come with pill No. 6, even high blood pressure is now forbidden to be reduced by injections. Economy !!! Although, as I understand it, it all depends on the personality of the paramedic, they have not all been scraped, but, as we see, they come across .Make of professionals paramedics.....

[Baloo]

Quote: HAM

even high pressure is now forbidden to reduce injections

This is a matter of jurisdiction, but there are pills that really quickly reduce blood pressure. In any case, with an hypertensive crisis, the ambulance has no right to leave it in place, this is an indication for hospitalization if it is not possible to lower blood pressure.

[Phil77]

Quote: Balu

Quote: HAM

even high pressure is now forbidden to reduce injections

This is a matter of jurisdiction, but there are pills that really quickly reduce blood pressure. In any case, with an hypertensive crisis, the ambulance has no right to leave it in place, this is an indication for hospitalization if it is not possible to lower blood pressure.

It’s nice to read a clear, intelligible, on business, commentary by a pro! And then * Chef, Chef Ushe is gone! * Good luck!

[vanavatny]

fired representatives ... now, like, the flaws are fixed, the perpetrators are punished, this is not a rotten and vicious system, these are excesses on the ground, yeah ...

[g_ae]

Well, like this. May 9 came with portraits. All. The program is completed. And this one is still alive. Here he will die and will walk with his portrait. Interesting. Did these comrades also cling to the St. George ribbon? And nobody really needs living heroes. Witnesses.

[Altona]

Quote: kepmor

take it higher ... Putin is to blame

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Of course, Putin appointed Medvedev, Medvedev appointed Skvortsova. Skvortsova is carrying out some harmful indications. So who is to blame in the end?

[dauria]

Of course, Putin appointed Medvedev, Medvedev appointed Skvortsova. Skvortsova is carrying out some harmful indications. So who is to blame in the end?

The people ... He chose Putin

[Alf]

Quote: Altona

Quote: kepmor

take it higher ... Putin is to blame

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Of course, Putin appointed Medvedev, Medvedev appointed Skvortsova. Skvortsova is carrying out some harmful indications. So who is to blame in the end?

Paramedic.

[prior]

These are no longer doctors, they are such pedeks.

[Million]

In many parts of Russia, so Lean medicine in action.

[rotmistr60]

Quote: Igoresha

commies canceled the oath of Hippocrates, replacing it with the oath of Soviet doctors. Mina was laid.

Today, I’ve never read anything more stupid. What are you talking about? What mine? In the USSR, for an ambulance doctor (paramedic) to refuse to hospitalize a patient, but this would be considered an official crime. Igor, and who were your parents, where and by whom did you work? Or are you from a family of old dissidents who have struggled with the communist regime all their conscious lives?

[UAZ 452]

Excuse me, did you work in medicine at that time? Or read about the achievements of Soviet doctors in the newspaper Pravda? Then yes, that’s exactly what they wrote there.

[Zadayvoprosy]

It is interesting, but what offends the Russians more, a Croatian footballer screaming moronic slogans, or a similar attitude of his own towards the elderly, including veterans?

[Phil77]

It offends everything that is bad, that is dishonest, that is unfair, that is wrong! I answer only for myself. This is my opinion and the answer to your question.

[The Siberian barber]

Normal Russian, FOOTBALL player speech !!! do not care, for he is a Footballer, no more no less))
Essentially offends the attitude of the Power towards the PEOPLE!, On whose shoulders this power is based

[Altona]

Quote: dauria

The people ... He chose Putin

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I personally did not choose Putin and did not advise others.

[Altona]

Quote: Zadayvoprosy

It is interesting, but what offends the Russians more, a Croatian footballer screaming moronic slogans, or a similar attitude of his own towards the elderly, including veterans?

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The footballer said drunken stupidity. The government carries out genocide against its own people. These are different things.

[The Siberian barber]

... And all, when that, began "beautifully" when honey. help and education, summed up under the term "services" ... Few people noticed, then, the mortgaged "mine"
The devil rules the ball ... (((

[vladimirvn]

My wife soon got into traumatology. The doctor kept him in the corridor for 1,5 hours, and the nurse ran up three times demanding money for the doctor. We didn’t give any money. As a result, the doctor sent him to the district police officer, whom they could reach only after two days. He was shocked and said that he already could not fix anything. I had to do an additional operation two months later. Nits.

[Igoresha]

I myself gave but upon the completion of the work. And nearby Muscovites who were in the room didn’t bathe at all about "gratitude", they say the insurance pays for us.

[The Siberian barber]

Here! Uncle performed the "service", and you paid for it ... (
These are the oath of Hypocrates .. ((

[Igoresha]

such is my upbringing, provincial. And Muscovites, I say - did not pay. Those. and I could not pay but calmly write out but my conscience did not allow.

[HMR333]

and what would be the problem if it hadn’t been transported, it’s possible we checked the correctness of resuscitation! it’s tin of course, what they had in their head! Perhaps the illiterate paramedic was afraid that if they check him and there will be a kick in the ass, or even worse, to those who took it! in Ukraine right now in general paramedics 4th year students go this tin there is no experience and no experienced assistants with experience!

[Loginoff]

My sister is a responsible real doctor. Understands with each patient. As a result, he comes home not at 17.00, but at 19.00. Computers hang and do not allow to enter patient data. A hospital plan has been laid down more than the doctor should normally take.
By the way, who wants to go as a doctor? Here is the vacancy:
Country: Russia
Region: Republic of Bashkortostan, Sterlitamak, 59 Patrioticheskaya St.
Salary: from 13110 to 13110 "rubles."
Schedule: full day
Employment form: full
Education: higher education
NEONATOLOGIST, CERTIFICATE AVAILABILITY Responsibility, diligence, sociability, focus on results.
So let's get the result.

[Vadim237]

Moral urds are from the people, unfortunately there are a lot of such.

[16112014nk]

Quote: hhhhhhh

Still remember 1917 and 8 hours a day.

Austria has already taken a 12-hour work day.
So far, 61 regions have approved cannibalistic pension reform.

[hhhhhhh]

Quote: Igoresha

And who? Recently, he read A. Podrabinek’s autobiographical book, Dissidents, in which the author asserted (without a twinkle, however, with just one sentence) that it was considered unprofitable to treat old people in the USSR - they say there was no sense in them.

Was the concept of profitability in the USSR? Everything was for people.

[UAZ 452]

In Soviet times, an unofficial instruction was in force - it’s better not to take hospitals with strokes over 70. Relatives were told that it was non-transportable. The statistics of those years is quite accessible - hospitalization for strokes in different years was from 50 to 70%, the rest remained at home. Similar statistics were for heart attacks. But writing about this in the press in those years was absolutely unthinkable.

[hhhhhhh]

Do you want to say when the USSR was worse than now? Not at all.
Today, do not take older than 70, not only with a stroke, but generally not even come over 70.

[GibSoN]

I don’t know who how, but personally, I think that it is in medicine that I must go first of all not to make money .. And by the way, the responsibility of physicians should be as strict as possible. In fact, it is time to change the entire medical system in the Russian Federation. Otherwise, it is not curable in principle.

[Vadim237]

They just hire any ford, hence the problems, in all areas of society.

[Leshy1975]

Well, what can you say. I'm so sorry.

Quote: darksoul

The child died three weeks ago, they refused to go to hospital three times, he was a surgeon, before the doctors at least treated their own in a different way, the old generation is leaving, and the young “doctors” ... the raggers are arrogant, stupid and greedy for money. ........ but they sklifosovsky on TV what are they oh ... e .. audience ... ny

[Xscorpion]

What's new is fake, that most commentators are woodpeckers. Doesn’t it bother anyone that NP Novy Urengoy appears too often in such "news"? More often than Moscow, probably. And to super commentators a question. When did you call the ambulance for the last time? , even if there is no direct threat to life. And still you are tortured to refuse hospitalization. Only if you write an official refusal.

[cosmonaut]

for a place in a hospital without a queue, we need a bribe from the department. the relatives decided on ... tfu to fool the fate .... it’s right that they drove out the paramedics. they couldn’t hang the noodles on their ears and tear off their share from the relatives. zakonu.a grandfather from this only got worse. Well done relatives, well done doctors.
this is how we live. We didn’t want to live with the bloody communists, we wanted to live with just bourgeoisie. Here you get a lot of sausages in stores, jeans and chewing gum.

[Alf]

Quote: cosmonaft

this is how we live. We didn’t want to live with the bloody communists, we wanted to live with just bourgeoisie. Here you get a lot of sausages in stores, jeans and chewing gum.