KPOS Scout Kit for reworking Glock 17 / 19 pistols into carbines

The idea of ​​turning pistols and revolvers into carbines is not new and was found even in the 19th century. In the XXI century, the idea of ​​creating pistols-carbines was still not abandoned. At the same time, modern technologies and the development of industry make it possible to produce a special “kit” for popular models of pistols, which rather easily turn them into carbines in case of such necessity. Of course, this does not happen with a single movement of the hand, but such alteration does not cause difficulties for a prepared person.

The new 2018 of the year was the KPOS Scout kit from the engineers of the Israeli company FAB Defense, which is designed to easily convert globally popular Glock 17 / 19 pistols into a carbine. This kit features an updated hybrid box design that significantly reduced the total weight. weapons after transformation. It is worth noting that the Israeli company FAB Defense is today a world-renowned manufacturer of tuning for small arms, while the company's products can be purchased in the territory of the Russian Federation. So, the KPOS Scout kit for altering Glock pistols into a carbine will cost the Russians 33 150 rubles.

It should be noted that in the West, various models for remaking pistols into carbines were very widespread. And the phrase Pistol to Carbine Conversion Kit was included in the circulation of people who are addicted to or are familiar with modern small arms and the industry, which produces various types of “body kits” for the trunks that are popular all over the world. In the past few years, such kits have become firmly established in the arms fashion, including in Russia. Izhevsk gunsmiths also presented their developments in this area. At the same time, manufacturers of such kits from Israel are currently the most famous and popular. It is on this country's territory that such manufacturers of weapons and tactical accessories as Tactical, CAA, IWI and FAB Defense are located.

KPOS Scout gun converter - carbine for Glock 17 / 19 pistol, photo fab-defense.pro

Many specialists of the listed companies themselves are former soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces or fighters of special units of the Israeli police with real combat experience. This fact itself allows us to say that these types of body kit for pistols are not intended to demonstrate the owner’s “coolness”. Such devices, designed to rework short-barreled weapons, are quite popular. Thanks to the butt and the increased weight, the toss of the pistol is reduced when firing, the accuracy of firing increases. At the same time, such weapon transformation kits are especially advantageous in cases when there is a need to install a number of additional accessories on the pistol, for example, a collimator sight. Conventional pistols in most cases have extremely limited possibilities for installing additional devices, while a pistol converted into a carbine removes all questions at once due to the possibility of using several Picatinny-type slats.

According to experts, the realities of today force us to reckon more and more with the increased risk of various terrorist attacks. At the same time, the first to be on the site of terrorist attacks, it is necessary to repel the terrorists or try to contain them until reinforcements or special units arrive. At first, ordinary patrol police officers or security officers and security guards are usually the best at the scene. Usually they are armed exclusively with pistols and revolvers, such weapons do not give the defenders almost any chance against criminals who will be armed with long-barreled automatic weapons.

Most likely, and this was the reason that in the past few years, gunsmiths in many countries have again turned to the rather old idea of ​​equipping pistols with a rifle butt and forehead, offering their own conversion kits, transforming pistols into carbines. In addition to the lodge, which provides the arrow stability and more reliable holding of the pistol when firing, such kits increase the length of the aiming line and allow you to install various types of body kit from collimator sights to tactical lights and designators in various combinations.

KPOS Scout gun converter - carbine for Glock 17 / 19 pistol, photo fab-defense.pro

Ordinary pistols, which are represented on the international market today, because of their overall limitations on the installation of mounting strips and the presence of a movable casing-shutter do not have such freedom to install a body kit. In this case, an already prepared pistol-carbine can be easily carried on a belt and the weapon will be constantly ready for use. Of great importance is the fact that such kits for rework do not fall under the restrictions of the weapons legislation of many countries and are not themselves a weapon from a legal point of view.

The fact that such kits are so popular precisely in Israel, which every day faces terrorist threats, is not at all accidental. After the production of the famous Uzi submachine gun, which was specially created for security services and security agencies, which had an acute need for compact small arms with high magazine capacity, was removed from production in 1993, some vacuum appeared in this area. It was this vacant niche that the Israeli manufacturers tried to fill with the help of a variety of kits for the conversion of pistols into carbines, including representatives of FAB Defense.

FAB Defense's formerly similar kit, called KPOS G2, was designed to rework the Glock, Jericho 941, FN 5.7, SIG 226 and 2022, CZ Duty, Springfield XD and Beretta XP4 pistols and had a body that was completely milled from the workpiece, made of aluminum alloy 6061 T6. The new kit called KPOS Scout, which appeared in the line of the Israeli company in 2018, will be the basis for a whole family of conversion kits. Unlike all previous FAB Defense models, it received a hybrid hull design that combines the top aluminum rail of the same alloy 6061 T6 (similar to the domestic alloy ADHNNXX) and the lightweight lower part of an impact-resistant composite material reinforced. Such an engineering solution made it possible to create a fairly compact and lightweight pistol-carbine system while maintaining the high strength of the product. Compared to the previous conversion kits, the weight was reduced by almost 33 grams, that is, approximately 300 percent. Favorably, this is reflected in the cost of the kit itself.

KPOS Scout gun converter - carbine for Glock 17 / 19 pistol, photo fab-defense.pro

A new kit for transforming a pistol into a KPOS Scout carbine (“Scout” - a good name for a lightweight and compact model) received a folding L-shaped shoulder rest with a rubberized butt and a T-shaped reloading handle in the style of M4 rifles (two-sided) and a folding front handle. The Picatinny rail was integrated with the upper part of the body for the entire length of the kit, a short rail was installed on the lower part, two more side guides with integrated thumb stops were made removable. In this case, the pistol fixing mechanism in the created device has only one button, which provides not only easy and fast, but also reliable fixation of the pistol. Installing a gun in KPOS Scout takes literally five seconds. Available for purchase models in the following colors: black, olive, sand and gray.

Features of the KPOS Scout Kit:

- this kit for Glock 17 and 19 pistols differs in small dimensions and weight, which are important qualities when worn and transported;

- ease of installation without the use of special tools, revision and modification of the weapon or the product itself. The mechanism of fixing the gun is represented by just one button for quick assembly / disassembly of the kit. After removing the gun does not acquire any changes, it can be worn again in a holster;

- the reloading handle was modeled on the popular AR-class rifles and allows you to charge the gun with any hand, it is also equipped with a safety stop;

- the delivery set includes an additional body kit from FAB Defense: folding FGGK-S tactical fire control knob, SLS swivel, Bunge single-point belt, folding RBS and FBS mechanical sight and front sight pads, carrying bag;

- the compact folding butt of a streamlined shape does not cling to clothes, and the rubber butt pad guarantees usability;

- the cost of the kit is less than that of analogs made entirely of metal.

KPOS Scout gun converter - carbine for Glock 17 / 19 pistol, photo fab-defense.pro

Tactical and technical characteristics of KPOS Scout (according to FAB Defense):
Mass - 720
Length - 542 or 326 mm (with folded butt).
Height - 170 mm.
Width - 60 or 73 mm (with folded butt).
Compatibility - Glock 17 and 19 pistols without any modifications.

Information sources:
https://www.all4shooters.com/ru/strelba/aksessuary/FAB-Defense-komplekt-KPOS-Scout-dlya-peredelki-pistoleta-Glock-17-19-v-karabin
http://www.pro-shooter.ru/product/kpos-scout-dlya-pistoleta-glock-fab-defense
https://www.fab-defense.com

Comments

[Pax tecum]

Why is he at all? What a commercial whim? Hollywood influence? For close combat, there are pistols and submachine guns, i.e. weapons target destination. A carbine from a pistol? A carbine is a shortened rifle, also has its intended purpose.
And, most importantly, the ammunition for this miracle is clearly not a rifle ...

After the year 1993 with production was withdrawn the famous Uzi submachine gun, which was specially created for security services and security agencies, which had an acute need for compact small arms with a high magazine capacity, there was a certain vacuum in this area.

It is thought that it was not in vain that they removed it, for it obviously did not justify hopes and needs.

... a certain vacuum has appeared in this area.

Weapon makers say when doing marketing maneuvers in an era of real arms competition.

KPOS Scout Kit for reworking Glock 17 / 19 pistols into carbines

What is a carbine? At least the length of the barrel and the linear data of the ammunition, and the intended purpose of the carbine, does not pull. Substitution of terms and concepts, some.
Combined incompatible?

[Michael HORNET]

Tell me, why write a comment on an article on a weapons site if you personally don’t understand much in small arms? They grabbed at the top, but you don’t know the essence. And you can’t even understand what is written in the article itself. And it says explicitly that this kit is a “legal” compact carbine, in cases where the law does not allow the use of a submachine gun. This kit makes sense for those who have a gun, who have the opportunity to carry it open for maximum fire efficiency. Turning a pistol into a "carbine" through such a kit gives approximately + 25% efficiency, and if the shooter is not very skilled, then it is 100%. With increasing distance, the percentage of efficiency increases.
at the same time, the gun does not undergo any changes - the grip of the shooter undergoes changes. A set as a weapon is not classified and sold freely.
To use it or not is NOT a question at all
If you need to increase the effectiveness of fire and you CAN carry the weapon openly not in a holster, but on a belt, and they don’t give you a submachine gun or a high-grade carbine - naturally, you need to use it.
If the wearing is only hidden - the question is no longer necessary, but you can carry the kit in a backpack with you - you never know
The essence of the kit is to change the ergonomics of the gun, which 3% of users can use effectively (not, a lot, 1%) - to change it to the ergonomics of the carbine, which 4/5 users can successfully use

[san4es]

Quote: Michael HORNET

... The essence of the kit is to change the ergonomics of the gun ...

... - "crutch - exoskeleton" for Glock 17/19 ... It’s convenient, but without it, you don’t forget how to shoot (motor skills will be rebuilt) ... Therefore, you need to have both the PP and the gun ... Then KPOS Scout is not required

[Pax tecum]

... why write a comment on an article on a weapons site if you personally don’t understand much in small arms?

Well, what do you say so confidently, as if you know. You can not know, and even speculate about opponents.
By the will of the service in various ministries and departments had to use almost the entire line of Russian weapons, and PP, including and special weapons. I KNOW what I am writing about, and this is already objective.
In your comment, for some reason, the solid excuses for this device ...

[Pax tecum]

Michael HORNET:
The essence of the kit is to change the ergonomics of the gun ...

I agree here, but ... on the way out - it’s still a submachine gun, and not a “legal” carbine (What kind of substitution of concepts and terms? Why?). Let's call a spade a spade.

[Michael HORNET]

This KPOS is used exclusively by those who are not supposed to have a 9x19 submachine gun / carbine, which is more effective than a pistol. At the same time, the users really want to increase the effectiveness of shooting. ALL!
No excuses or conjectures are needed. Shooting a little - you need to understand the essence
In theory, there is no need for KPOS - we have a gun with us and say we have it - a carbine (in any caliber). They cover the entire spectrum of applications.
But not all pistol users are allowed to have a carbine, or a small carbine
Hence, such constructions appear
Just because the gun in the hands of 98% of people is extremely ineffective
And from a carabiner with a collimator and a capacious store, it’s already at the very least, but most of the users will shoot well

[Horse, people and soul]

This is the RCC - caliber carbine gun.

All for garlic. Put on the Glock 17 the trunk of IGB-Austria 10 "or even 16" - and you will be happy with KPOS G2.

[tracer]

YOU are right colleague .. And I agree with your opinion. To which I can add that even the convenient holding of a short pistol barrel will not lead to accuracy sufficient to destroy the target by 100 meters. Whoever wants to have a look at the energy of a bullet. A hundred square meters is still decent, but a decrease in the trajectory is critical for her. And I’ll add that any removal and “insertion” of something that shoots separately from the sighting device leads to a displacement of the sight and, accordingly, all music with “accuracy” loses any common sense. In addition, all special vehicles are taught to shoot reflexively from a pistol without the use of sights. That one important person who appropriated the surname “Hornet” from modesty further writes “the layouts about why it“ improves ”,“ makes it more convenient ”and, in general,“ does well. ”In my experience, a practicing shooter and former sniper, I’ll say that he’s grabbed the conclusions "baseless. A gun is a gun. And you won’t make an automatic machine out of it. This device has one value as a sold" product. "And no more. To paraphrase one proverb, I’ll say if the grandmother had a theme that applies to our topic. ..... "Well, you know.

[timeout]

Quote: tracer

That one important person appropriated from modesty the surname "Hornet"

Unlike you, the Hornet is really a shooter.

Quote: tracer

In my experience, a practicing shooter and former sniper

What experience can be in the tundra? A person who does not know basic things, especially from his own "biography". Sniper, damn it ...

[tracer]

Tell me what does this indicate? You probably think that he is the only shooter in the world and the stars were shining for you? Personally, I do not agree with you. Shooting is one thing, and understanding this is a little different. I personally could see that a person understands and at first glance his conclusions are justified. BUT if you look at the theory and ballistics with application and legislation (where you can buy it) including. The logic of his reasoning does not add up. Why don’t I understand why you are raving? Or are you offended that your knowledge is not enough to judge this issue? Something tells me that you don’t have Glock 17, as well as Glock 19, but 34 Glock I’m generally silent. You never even held it in theory. I have something to say from my own experience, but you don’t. In addition to children's "offenders" you can’t say anything worthwhile. Well, as for the “Tundra,” I like to hunt there, only I go to the White House with the Capitol for about 35 minutes. So sit and pout from your importance onward. And with a real shooter who understands “what's what”, we will still agree on the topics ..

[timeout]

Quote: tracer

Tell me what does this indicate?

And the fact that this is just a prefix.

Quote: tracer

if you look at the theory and ballistics with application and legislation

And when did the prefix change ballistics?

Quote: tracer

that's just to the White House with the Capitol, I go about 35 minutes.

You and the Capitol to Montreal an hour away! Is there anything else to talk about? Prosk this thing ... For days and the same rake again, comrade "Canadian."

Quote: tracer

Something tells me that you don’t have Glock 17, as well as Glock 19, but 34 Glock I’m generally silent.

Imagine really not, because you just don't like it.

[zxc15682]

Clearly expensive useless crap. Like a butt to a gun.

[Michael HORNET]

Some kind of influx of people who do not understand anything in weapons - in the subject)
The problem of the previous "carbine pistols" was ... In sights.
Since they were only one (it never occurred to anyone to make DIFFERENT sights for different grips) and were sharpened by a pistol and did NOT add ANYTHING, they only worsened the aiming as from a carbine - and they (the serial ones) did not have a normal forearm or handle for retention (although here Mauser was better than others - so he was the most common pistol carbine of this type)
Now - a collimator has appeared and the problem is solved at a new technical level
The bottom line is that 80% of men can shoot from a weapon with ergonomics of a carbine, well let 75%, and it’s good to shoot from a pistol - 1-2%
The kit is aimed at those who DO NOT take a carbine to their pistol, and have to combine everything in one

That is, if you have a gun, and there is no possibility to buy a carbine for 9x19, then buying this kit is a good decision to increase the effectiveness and range of your gun

[prodi]

the main thing is that confident (effective) shooting will still be within 50 m

[Michael HORNET]

There is no breeder. The fact that you get an increase in efficiency in speed and accuracy up to CTA meters is completely objective. Well, of course you don’t get any carbine 9x19 (MP5, Saiga 9x19) efficiency, but even if 75-80% of it, it’s still higher than the pistol without a body kit by 15-20% near and 100-400% at long distances (50-100 m)

[prodi]

Quote: Michael HORNET

There is no breeder. The fact that you get an increase in efficiency in speed and accuracy up to CTA meters is completely objective. Well, of course you don’t get any carbine 9x19 (MP5, Saiga 9x19) efficiency, but even if 75-80% of it, it’s still higher than the pistol without a body kit by 15-20% near and 100-400% at long distances (50-100 m)

400% - it’s probably your button that’s over, because even 100% cannot be there. In general, it’s better to spend this money on extra cartridges and learn how to shoot

[Michael HORNET]

100% is twice the result when divide the points by time
400% - four times
When you shoot at 70 meters from a pistol - there’s not that 400%, there will be a comparison between a zero result and some
There is no big problem to get to 70 m in a relaxed atmosphere, standing in a beautiful pose and doing breathing exercises without rushing for 10 seconds to produce an accurate shot (more precisely, a few, since the distance is long for the gun and not the fact that you will hit)
But this is an absolutely unrealistic scenario.

Advice to buy cartridges and work out with the trainer is suitable and correct, only it costs fifty such KPOS to get the initial level)

[prodi]

I can admit, a fairly confident hit of 100 meters from the short barrel in a tightly fixed vise on a heavy workbench in a circle of 30 cm (70%). Although not sure, is it necessary in reality?

[Michael HORNET]

Well, from Saigi 9x19, getting into a circle of 30 cm by 100 m from the hands is generally a trivial task. So compare
From a pistol from those present here, well, except for me;), I'm sure, out of 10 shots with a time limit - no one will get there, well, maybe by accident)

[prodi]

didn’t the teapots shoot from Saigi? However, the question concerned not only hit, but also defeat

[Horse, people and soul]

In WWII, the Germans somehow killed our grandfathers 100-200 meters from Mp-38/40.

Modern 9x19 are more mediated than cartridges of the 1st and 2nd World War.

Glock shoots 9x19 NATO, and this is something between a middle + P and + P +. In Parabellum, this cartridge is better not to poke.

[prodi]

Quote: Horse, people and soul

In WWII, the Germans somehow killed our grandfathers 100-200 meters from Mp-38/40.

25cm trunk. And then, a wet padded jacket with a canvas tarpaulin?

[AndreyS]

Quote: Michael HORNET

From a pistol from those present here, well, except for me;), I'm sure, out of 10 shots with a time limit - no one will get there, well, maybe by accident)

What are you saying!!!!!!)))))
What a confidence.
And do not tell me your shot at the moment for the past six months ?! Yes, and interesting with what weapons? Thanks in advance dear Michael HORNET!

[Michael HORNET]

Yes, a decent shot, in thousands it is measured, and participation in competitions at the federal level with not the worst result. Go to Hansa or take an interest. I am the current shooter of the FPSR

Do not mind watching your medals and cups)

[Michael HORNET]

Yes, you can just type in Google the words Duel and my nickname and see that I am good at fast and accurate shooting)

[AndreyS]

Quote: Michael HORNET

Do not mind watching your medals and cups)

Dear Mikhail, I didn’t say that I shoot best on this site. But you did not answer about the weapons with which you are shooting. Fortunately, I'm not a shooter of the FPSR)))) Yes, the thousandth shot in six months is a serious figure, how much do you spend money on shooting a month?

[Horse, people and soul]

Exactly so. An upgrade gives a quick result for less money.

And insert-pull Glock from KPOS G2 on your hands in just a few seconds, if necessary.

[Vovanya]

And how to quickly eliminate the gaps that break the "integrity"?

[brn521]

Just the target audience is not the same. We would have something the opposite of purpose to turn a carbine into a pistol.

[san4es]

The fact that such kits are so popular in Israel, which is faced with terrorist threats every day, is no coincidence

[Horse, people and soul]

These 33 rounds magazines do not work well for me ... I need to put a stronger spring.

[san4es]

Quote: Horse, people and soul

... you need to put a stronger spring.

... Just not too much so that the cover does not knock

[sib.ataman]

Lebedev Kalash also has the same CROS, but he has a set of interchangeable trunks attached to it. Our looks preferable! Yes, and if possible, I think, too.

[Horse, people and soul]

So to Glock there are aftermarket trunks and 10 "and 16".

Despite the fact that Glock has been serving for about 30 years, and few have ever seen Lebedev, and even fewer who actually shot. But a lot of theorists.

[Alex_T]

Here is the kit, I understand (based on Ingram M11).

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I used such a whale on airsoft (glock 18) ... very convenient.

[Horse, people and soul]

I have (not airsoft!) KPOS G2 with Glock 17 and a silencer.

Thing!

[Nikolaevich I]

Everything new is well forgotten old ...! And at the beginning of the 20 century, "dabbled", turning "self-loading (automatic) pistols into carbines .... for example," Mauser ".

[Nikolaevich I]

PS Or such ....

And in 1MV appeared Pedersen's device

Despite the name, the weapon in question, better known as Pedersen’s device, was not essentially an automatic pistol, but replaced the bolt on the Springfield M1903 rifle, allowing firing from a rifle in self-loading or automatic mode (there are discrepancies). The magazine capacity reached 40 rounds. The cartridges were of the same 7.62-mm caliber as the original rifle cartridges, but in fact they were slightly modified 7,65 browning cartridges or, in the American designation, .32 ACP, with a slightly elongated sleeve (Looking ahead, now they are better known as the French cartridge

Very Americans liked these devices! They ordered them to a fig, but managed to make 65.000 pieces. There is infa that the Pedersen device was “adapted” to the Mosin rifle at the American arms factory ...

[Grid]

Very Americans like these devices

On the contrary.
1. Carrying a rather heavy stray is somewhat tiring.
2. Carry a second ammunition is also not sugar.
3. Issuing a non-standard cartridge is not very clear why.
So after the PMV, this device was cheerfully launched for re-melting. True, the French took a cartridge and bored under it an enchanting gun ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Grille

So after the PMV, this device was cheerfully launched for re-melting.

At the end of 1MV a lot of weapons (including promising (!) ...) were "stolen" ....

Quote: Grille

Very Americans like these devices

On the contrary.

What is the opposite? That is what Pershing liked is a fact .... otherwise he would not have demanded to “place” an order for 100.000 copies. And Pedersen’s device would have appeared in service, if not for the end of the war. Disadvantages ? As they say: and who does not have them!? Whatever it was, this device was and it saw a solution to a particular problem. And it’s not worth it to “paraffin”: it happens, sometimes, and it happens when, at a new round of planetary existence, the old idea returns in a new design ...

[Grid]

What Pershing liked is a fact ....

So what?
A general is a rather entertaining subspecies of Homo, such as sapiens (which, as you know, tends to be mistaken), and an American general, especially the beginning of the 20th century, generally passes through the class of endemic fauna. And no one canceled the show.
But after the PMV it suddenly became clear that the extra 5 kg of weight is a bit too much. Ammunition power and effective range are small. Navigating the strait or the rifle bolt in a naval way is easy. The rifle itself required rework. And the stray itself also did not differ in cheapness ...
By the way, no one else tried to portray anything like this. And the appearance of normal PP made this device irrelevant.

And do not "paraffin" everything

And here is the operation of coating something with a layer of a complex hydrocarbon?

sometimes, and such when, at a new round of planetary existence, the old idea returns in a new design ...

It happens, and quite often. However, not in this case.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Grille

However, not in this case

Well, why so "pessimistic"? In Russia they write from left to right, and Arabs from right to left .... Pedersen "turned" the rifle into a submachine gun, and current gunsmiths turn the pistol into a submachine gun ... that is, into a carbine ...
PS And with the "kit" Pedersen would have to figure it out! Why is it so "hard"? Is it possible to "simplify and facilitate"?

[Grid]

Well, why so "pessimistic"?

And the point is the stray to the gun, which costs as normal PP (and the maximum configuration is three times more expensive), but does not increase the TTX of the gun to the level of the PP or, at least, a carbine for the pistol cartridge?
There can be only one reason - a complete ban on PP and carbines under a pistol cartridge.

And with the "kit" Pedersen would have to figure it out! Why is it so "hard"?

The device itself + 5 stores + 400 rounds.

Is it possible to "simplify and facilitate"?

It is unlikely to make it easier. All the same, a free bolt with a long rifle barrel. Pedersen even had to artificially increase the mass of the shutter by “attaching” the tide to it.
As for simplification ... The same is especially unlikely. Already very rigidly set dimensions.

[Grid]

A small animation that gives an idea of ​​how this prodigy was arranged and how it functioned:

[Nikolaevich I]

Thanks a lot for that! I don’t have such a video ... and now it’s clear how this device worked in “details”.

[Michael HORNET]

So the option was not bad, sorry not brought to mind

[the47th]

This thing costs as much as the PP, you can’t carry this thing secretly, the accuracy of the fire, in comparison with the PP, is much worse. What is the point of it?

After the famous Uzi submachine gun, which was specially created for security services and security agencies, was discontinued in 1993

Since when did the infantry Uzi, which was created for use by untrained soldiers, become a security post for security services?

[Michael HORNET]

Read something not trained)? Article or comments to it at least READ. It is said that this is a device for those who cannot access the submachine gun (legally or actually), but have a desire to increase the effectiveness of shooting
Exactly this is KPOS Scout and gives
It is clear that if there is access to a 9x19 submachine gun / carbine or a full carbine, then KPOS is not relevant
KPOS for those who were given a gun and nothing more - is impossible. That accounts for the lack of .....;)
Ultrasound was created as a weapon for everyone, but in security services and even Secret Service was widely used at one time. And now, in general, in the new version with shooting from the front whisper, it is quite relevant, in shortened versions (Mini and micro ultrasound)

[Horse, people and soul]

This carabiner kit is used by IPSC athletes in the PCC division (Pistol Caliber Carbine) and where auto-racing is not desirable, but speed and surgical accuracy are needed (releasing hostages, for example).

In Israel, this is a popular upgrade for various types of special forces.

[Horse, people and soul]

This thing costs 400-500 euros and 600 euros costs Glock 17. Impulse silencer 750 euros, 10 "barrel 9x19 for Glock 17 costs 300 euros, Vortex collimator (different options) costs 200-400 euros.

Constructor What you need - then use it.

[Horse, people and soul]

I can't say anything about Scout, but KPOS G2 with Glock 17, 25 cm IGB-Austria barrel, Vortex collimator and Brügger & Thommet silencer - THING !!!

You can shoot 100 meters and further, and at close distances it turns out to be twice as fast to hit targets than just a gun.

[dokusib]

The site has already written about such kits. In the comments on that article, someone from Israel wrote that every police officer has such a thing in their car. In case of serious trouble, to hold out until the reinforcements approach. It is considered a fairly effective device. PS Recently I passed the exam in the dash (renewed the license for injury). The target is FIVE meters. Some did not surrender. It was impossible to look at a couple without laughter.

[Horse, people and soul]

Ага.

Cordura suitcase included. There are three pockets for Velcro shops, two pockets for accessories and a single-point belt. I changed the belt to Magpulovsky one-point.

[Catfish]

Quote: Michael HORNET

Well, from Saigi 9x19, getting into a circle of 30 cm by 100 m from the hands is generally a trivial task. So compare
From a pistol from those present here, well, except for me;), I'm sure, out of 10 shots with a time limit - no one will get there, well, maybe by accident)

Well, from modesty you obviously will not die ... Have you ever met anyone from "here" personally? For the rest, in my opinion, you reason competently and logically, but you don’t need to brag, adults are all the same.

[Michael HORNET]

Yes, no, I’m humble and don’t boast), but I also adequately report on my capabilities as a shooter and I know firsthand about the average level of both the average person, and the power and sportsman of the FPSR. And I see that there are those who are in the subject - and their posts are immediately visible)
And there are those who are just starting to master the topic of small arms, their posts are also immediately visible and they usually do not know how to shoot a priori;)
But of course exceptions are possible)

[Horse, people and soul]

Quote: prodi

wet padded jacket with tarpaulin?

This 9x15 pierces a 25 centimeter pine beam. What is better than a wet padded jacket with a canvas tarpaulin?

Take it and try it yourself.

[Horse, people and soul]

9x19, of course, higher - a GLASS.

[Grid]

punches 25 centimeters pine beam.

At 100m?

[Gagarin77]

Always said stray for the shooting range. Walking with her around the city is a gun to translate and PP. But if you pull the cat over me, then for those who don’t have access to the PP and who don’t need hidden wearing and for untrained shooters ... he will ride a horse 100 meters in the city. Well, if you aren’t singing on 5-10 m, this stray will be quickly removed and laid out.

[Horse, people and soul]

Quote: Grille

punches 25 centimeters pine beam.

At 100m?

Dear friend, those cartridges that the Germans used for their P-08 and P-38 are much weaker than modern ones, among which there are mediocre + P, 9 mm NATO and + P +, as well as the Russian 7N31.

Take the NATO military cartridge and 10-inch barrel. Few 10-inch, take a 16-inch. Constructor If there were special trunks under 7H31 - then even better. In principle, on IGB Austria you can order a special 10- or 16-inch barrel for Glock 31 (.357 Sig), but with a chamber under 9x19. There is more metal and it will withstand the pressure in the barrel of the cartridge 7N31.

Full-size and compact Glocks 17,19,22,23,31,32 - in calibers from 9x19 to .40 SW and .357 Sig climb into this KPOS.



In the KPOS carabiner kit with a folding butt, everything is quite compact. And always in a few seconds you can put a gun on your hands or take it out without any tool. One captive pin and one latch. And you can simultaneously accurately and quickly shoot at 100 meters in the carbine. It’s just that you won’t be able to shoot from the gun with your hands.

[Grid]

Dear friend, those cartridges that the Germans used for their P-08 and P-38 are much weaker than modern ones, among which there are mediocre + P, 9 mm NATO and + P +, as well as the Russian 7N31.

But do you know such a phrase - the transverse load of a bullet and, if known, do you understand its meaning?
Just for an example:
9x19 Pair (initial) - bullet weight 8g, lateral load 12,6 g / cm²
7N31 - bullet weight 4,1 g, lateral load 6,4 g / cm².

Take the NATO military cartridge and 10-inch barrel. Few 10-inch, take a 16-inch.

But why?
For the price of this stray and an additional barrel, it is quite possible to purchase a normal PP that will be much more effective.

Constructor.

The meaning of this designer eludes me. The only use is post-shooting at the shooting range.

special can be ordered

It is possible, but unnecessary.

And you can simultaneously accurately and quickly shoot at 100 meters in the carbine. It’s just that you won’t be able to shoot from the gun with your hands.

Well, take a carbine.

[Michael HORNET]

I see that there are people here who do not believe in the sufficiency of the lethal force 9x19 per 100 m
I assure you that it’s still enough. 100 m is the normal efficiency of this cartridge, the trajectory is already sinking, but the slaughter on unprotected armor is quite enough for 200 m as well. I recall that the speed of 7N31 is 600 m / s, the bullet is really light and with a low score, but I would not recommend checking for its effect on 200 m. And even with the usual cartridge Barnaul 9x19, which gives about 370 m / s of the initial pistol and a little less than 400 m / s of the Saiga carbine

[Grid]

I see that there are people here who do not believe in the sufficiency of the lethal force 9x19 per 100 m

I see here there are people who do not know how to read the discussion thread ...
It’s sad for me ...

Let me remind you that the speed of 7N31 is 600 m / s,

So what?
And how much is she at 100m?

[Michael HORNET]

All the same, those who do not understand the issue and do not know how to shoot are immediately visible. "but we have an opinion." The lethal force of a 9x19 cartridge in any modern design is enough for 100 m for unprotected armor - for the Barnaul cartridge with an FMG bullet of 115 gran, for example from Glock we take the initial 370 m / s, which with its bq = 0.127 in G1 gives us 336 joules per 100 m distance - this is more than PM at point blank range
7H31 at the same distance with its BC approximately 0.09 G1 will give us 300 J - equal to the energy of the PM bullet
Well?
At 200 m of energy, the bullets will be 258 and 173 joules, respectively
So the arguments of theorists about the complete inability of the pistol bullet at distances of 100-200 m is completely absurd, NOT supported by actual data
Yes, if you are in armor of a sufficiently high level and will fall precisely into the plate, then consider it lucky, and then in the case of 7H31 soft armor will not hold its carbide core, only full plastic (you know the area of ​​the plate in different projections relative to the whole body;)? )
But it's not about armor

[Grid]

All the same, those who do not understand the issue and do not know how to shoot are immediately visible.

Another baby is seen ...

At 200 m of energy, the bullets will be 258 and 173 joules, respectively

Once again, baby, you really don’t understand how very specific bullets will work at this distance. By the way, do you know what the muzzle energy of .22LR is?

[Horse, people and soul]

Rule of thumb. Increasing or decreasing the barrel length by 1 inch reduces or increases the muzzle velocity of the bullet by - / + 30m / s.

Here you can put the same Glock 10 "and 16" barrel from the same IGB Austria and the speed of 100 meters will be completely different than from the native Glokovsky 114mm barrel.



So it’s quite a PCC.

[Horse, people and soul]

For a short barrel.

Rule of thumb. An increase or decrease in barrel length by 1 inch increases or decreases the muzzle velocity of the bullet by +/- 30m / s.
Here you can put the same Glock 10 "and 16" barrel from the same IGB Austria and the speed of 100 meters will be completely different than from the native Glokovsky 114mm barrel.



So it’s quite a PCC.

[Grid]

Rule of thumb. Increasing or decreasing the barrel length by 1 inch reduces or increases the muzzle velocity of the bullet by - / + 30m / s.

And who gave such nonsense?

[Horse, people and soul]

Don't you understand the expression "rule of thumb"?

Ballistic shooting tables with the same ammunition from weapons with different barrel lengths.

For example, we know the bullet velocity at the exit from a 6 "barrel, 4" barrel and 2 "barrel. The difference in speed per inch of the short barrel will be about 30 m / s with the same cartridge.

Be careful with the word "delirium".

[Horse, people and soul]

A 9x19 bullet is considered dangerous up to one and a half kilometers. This is for those who sometimes shoot "in the air" not exactly up, but at an angle to the horizon of 45 degrees.

[Horse, people and soul]

Quote: Gagarin77

Well, if you aren’t singing on 5-10 m, this stray will be quickly removed and laid out.

Pribluda comes with a single-point (rubber!) Belt. Hanging under the right armpit. To open fire, you do not even need to lay out. You can then decompose along the way. This rubber one-point belt helps a lot. Second matter.

[Catfish]

Quote: Michael HORNET

Yes, no, I’m humble and don’t boast), but I also adequately report on my capabilities as a shooter and I know firsthand about the average level of both the average person, and the power and sportsman of the FPSR. And I see that there are those who are in the subject - and their posts are immediately visible)
And there are those who are just starting to master the topic of small arms, their posts are also immediately visible and they usually do not know how to shoot a priori;)
But of course exceptions are possible)

Thank you for the "exceptions", I'm not a sniper, but with the gun I was literally "born". And the topic of "mastering weapons", in my opinion, has nothing to do with it, the constant training with the barrel that you have chosen for yourself is important. Judging by myself.

[Michael HORNET]

So you have to do then. Become a World Champion, shell Eric Graffel himself)

[Butchcassidy]

With such a thing, it’s clear why the Glock-19 store has 31 rounds. He looks very dumb with him. And with a body kit - as if it was intended))

[Horse, people and soul]

This is 33 rounds.

Store at 31, but put heel +2.

Arithmetic!

[Michael HORNET]

AndreyS,

So much money is spent (((unfortunately. The cartridge is 10 rubles, respectively 1000 rounds of 10 thousand rubles ...
An expensive sport is without a doubt
I shoot the most interesting disciplines in my opinion - a pistol and a carbine. And here and there I am in the top twenty stable. Last year, according to the results of the 2015-2016 seasons, he entered the 300 best shooters of the FPSR from a carbine in the world

[Michael HORNET]

In general, this Fab scout turned out to be very successful. Lightweight, quick to fasten with a gun, efficient and comfortable

[Horse, people and soul]

The fourth generation Roni Micro is also good.

[Horse, people and soul]

90% of IPSC bowler training is dryfire. Castration. And 10% only shooting.

But still, at least thousands of rounds of cartridges fly away per year on 4, if money is a pity. And if there are sponsors, then 10 thousands per year or more.

There are no alternatives to reloading. We get a cheaper cartridge and we do this cartridge for a minimum power factor. Hence, the results are also improving.

Athletes with a NATO cartridge cannot repeat their results (and indeed it is impossible!). It's still a (sporty) trick.

[Shopping Mall]

Quote: Horse, people and soul

But still, at least thousands of rounds of cartridges fly away per year on 4, if money is a pity. And if there are sponsors, then 10 thousands per year or more.

Well, yes, if at least three weeks a month, according to 120 cartridges for a class, then there will be 4320 cartridges. This is so for the entry level. Who is seriously engaged in a lot more spending.

[Horse, people and soul]

Football is cheaper.



He said:

90% of IPSC bowler training is dryfire. Castration. And 10% only shooting.

[Shopping Mall]

It is necessary / not needed, useful / useless ... After all, it was not due to the Russian budget that it was developed and purchased? Such a kit does not appear for the first time, it means that it is in demand by the market.

There are various situations and application scenarios. For example, you can secretly carry a gun, and, if necessary, install it in the KPOS Scout with a collimator sight in conjunction with the 30-charging magazine, significantly increasing firepower and ease of targeting. Moreover, such a kit can be stored in a car without fear of being stolen, as it is not a weapon.
As such, it will not increase the firing range, but the accuracy will increase significantly. Especially when shooting powerful 10 mm mm AUTO or 357 ZIG.

[Michael HORNET]

About that and speech
A convenient thing that extends the capabilities of weapons

[Horse, people and soul]

There are interchangeable long trunks from 10 to 16 inches for all calibres for Glock.

The main feature is that the kit increases the effectiveness of the shooter at once. That is, you give a medium pistol gun a shot from a carbine whale and the results of its shooting (accuracy and time) are already competing with the top gunners. If you need efficiency now and immediately, then it works. Learning to shoot is long and expensive. And here - right now.

[Brigadier]

Everyone decides for himself. That is the whole solution.
Whoever is comfortable - he will wear it, who does not need it - he will not wear it.
Let everyone decide for himself, depending on his preferences, ergonomics, physique, "coolness", the size of the wallet and show-off ...

[Horse, people and soul]

This device is for sports, for home security, for all sorts of "specialists" and PMCs, if they deem it necessary.

In your right mind you can only wear it every day with the zombie Apocalypse. But if it is, it works 100%. Checked.

[Horse, people and soul]

I have been using the FAB Defense KPOS G2 carbine kit for several years now. I slowly picked up sights for him, until I settled on the prismatic, that with my eyes with a wild cylinder it fits better than the usual red dot. The barrel bought 10 inches for Glock 17, a silencer, picked up suitable cartridges with a bullet weighing 158 grains. In general, for several years I collected exactly the funderwaffle that I wanted it exactly.

So here. Today, for the first time, I shot a small IPSC competition from him in the PCC division (Pistol Caliber Carbine) and unexpectedly got into two to three times the best hit factorthan when I usually shoot a pistol competition from the same Glock 17.

That is, it is completely faster and more accurate to shoot, and the impulse silencer significantly reduces recoil, resulting in double double-tap shots being hole-to-hole. Really cool, considering that the shooter is still the same and not the best.

That is, what this kit is made for, really works. The kit significantly improves the effectiveness of the pistol shooter, which otherwise would have been long and expensive (burnt cartridges) to learn. And here: I put the gun in the carabiner kit - and you are already shooting at times more efficiently. More precisely and faster, which is simultaneously important in practical life.