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American e-filling in the latest Russian weapons. Why?

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American e-filling in the latest Russian weapons. Why?



Despite all the “successes” of our import substitution, critical industries have been and remain dependent on foreign manufacturers. First of all it concerns high-tech products that ensure the safety of the country.

So, back in the distant 2007 year, at the federal level, the program “Development of the electronic component base and radio electronics” was adopted at the 2008-2015 years (source).

The main developers of the program were the Ministry of Industry and Energy and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The amount of funding for the program amounted to 175,5 billion Russian rubles (equivalent to 2007 for the year - about 7 billion dollars). The main task for the developers was to provide radio electronic equipment and systems, primarily of strategic importance for the country, with the Russian electronic component base of the necessary technical level.

But, apparently, the ministries failed to cope with the task, and the funds allocated for the ECB development program were not “mastered” by designation. This fact confirms the document that recently appeared on the network. This is a technical task from 2017 of the year to perform work on the theme “Conducting incoming inspection and certification tests of an electronic component base of foreign production intended to complete the BOPI product, part of 9B918, which is part of 9М723 of 9K720 and IIB-B, which is part of part of the 9-C-7760 9-A-7660 complex ”(download link).

The document sheds light on the use of imported ECB in the units of JSC NICEVT for inertial navigation systems of the Iskander complexes (9М723 - rocket, 9К720 - complex) and "Dagger" (9-С-7760 - rocket, 9-А-XNUM-X) ).

The list includes 133 ECB positions, most of which are manufactured by the American company Analog Device. This company is a leading global leader in the design and manufacture of integrated circuits for processing analog, mixed and digital signals. The document also features Japanese and other foreign manufacturers.

Judging by the fact that new positions were tested last year, in the next five years, the position of the American company Analog Devices in the domestic special equipment market is not in danger.

Thus, for ten years and with the spent budgetary funds in the amount of more than seven billion dollars, the domestic military industrial complex did not manage to overcome its dependence on the electronic component base of foreign production. The fact of the failure of the ECB development program and the replacement by domestic counterparts of the critical armament components necessary for the defense capability of all of Russia is obvious: invincible Russian power, Iskander and Dagger are made with an American e-filling!
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 12 July 2018 05: 38
    +15
    with american electronic stuffing!
    And what to worry about, they are our partners! request
    1. free
      free 12 July 2018 08: 14
      +9
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      with american electronic stuffing!
      And what to worry about, they are our partners! request

      They are their partners, more precisely.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 12 July 2018 08: 16
        +3
        Naturally, not mine!
        1. free
          free 12 July 2018 08: 18
          +10
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Naturally, not mine!

          They are those who make decisions, they do not apply to you or to me. They are themselves, proteges of the West, temporary workers in power.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 12 July 2018 12: 34
            +4
            Quote: free
            they don’t belong either to you or to me. They are themselves, proteges of the West, temporary workers in power.

            according to your logic, the Chinese henchmen of the Russian Federation. China's aviation depends on aircraft engines made in the Russian Federation .....
            1. free
              free 12 July 2018 13: 26
              +11
              Quote: NEOZ
              Quote: free
              they don’t belong either to you or to me. They are themselves, proteges of the West, temporary workers in power.

              according to your logic, the Chinese henchmen of the Russian Federation. China's aviation depends on aircraft engines made in the Russian Federation .....

              By my logic, the one who slows down the development of the country and drags earned abroad is a temporary worker in power.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 39
                +6
                Quote: free
                the one who slows down

                and who is slowing down? how? who decides who slows down and who doesn't?
                Quote: free
                drags earned abroad

                only tourists to Turkey export more than $ 4 billion a year !!!! What did you mean?
                1. free
                  free 12 July 2018 19: 47
                  +4
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  Quote: free
                  the one who slows down

                  and who is slowing down? how? who decides who slows down and who doesn't?
                  Quote: free
                  drags earned abroad

                  only tourists to Turkey export more than $ 4 billion a year !!!! What did you mean?

                  Well, everything is clear with you.
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 13 July 2018 10: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: free
                    Well, everything is clear with you.

                    well with you too! "patriots" in the neighboring country think about the same thing .....
                    1. free
                      free 13 July 2018 19: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      Quote: free
                      Well, everything is clear with you.

                      well with you too! "patriots" in the neighboring country think about the same thing .....

                      I see no reason to waste time on stubborn ones.
                      1. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 16 July 2018 14: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: free
                        I see no reason to waste time on stubborn

                        about the same thing they say "pots" when they give facts and arguments ....
    2. KLV2018
      KLV2018 12 July 2018 08: 53
      +4
      so is it a zrada or overpower?
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 12 July 2018 10: 53
        +11
        Quote: KLV2018
        so is it a zrada or overpower?

        These are political insinuations wassat
        Take a couple of chips that are produced in many countries. Including Russian partners https://www.argussoft.ru/About/History.aspx. And to inflate from this the complete failure of the entire import substitution program, and write off all the money spent on it. In a normal world, this is called "juggling."
        And "Analog Devices Inc" is truly a world leader, here just catch up... http://ecworld.ru/media/ports/ADI.htm
        1. vkfriendly
          vkfriendly 12 July 2018 16: 38
          +5
          And who in general can claim that the electronics passed the tests, there it is only about “Carrying out incoming control and
          certification tests of the electronic component base of a foreign
          the production intended for completing the BOPI product "And what components are actually supplied, no one has a clue, but the" all-weepers "are right there, they spent the money, they drained us, everything is terrible, and so on.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 12 July 2018 12: 35
        +1
        Quote: KLV2018
        zrada

        this yin and yang is common among neighbors ....
      3. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 15 July 2018 22: 37
        +1
        Quote: KLV2018
        so is it a zrada or overpower?

        In any case, this is better than the Hammer. wink
    3. Saburov
      Saburov 12 July 2018 13: 12
      +19
      American e-filling in the latest Russian weapons. Why?


      Yes, because since Borka Yeltsin, nothing has changed in the essence of power. Lawlessness of officials as it was and is. Lack of justice - as it was, it is. An economy serving the interests of several dozen petro-oligarchs - as it was, it has remained. The financial system as it was a dollar exchanger, so it remains. Investments, instead of developing the domestic economy, as they went primarily to purchase US government bonds, so go. The degradation of education - as it was, is continuing ... Even the foreign policy, which, it would seem, is focused on, did not bring any positive, high-quality fruits! In terms of industry growth span! Union State of Russia and Belarus - span. Ukraine is the span. Asian republics - even Kazakhstan, and that is being rebuilt from us, only the dust is worth it! About foreign countries keep silent out of delicacy. Because the government cannot clearly explain to the people how the state was going to replace the port if it doesn’t produce a damn and there are no capacities and nothing has been created for this, no conditions, no production facilities, no specialists, no even laws. Because when the "guarantor" rubs the people, frank, unscientific nonsense from the rostrum, about lasers and hypersound, they do not give a damn about the fundamental laws of physics. Because instead of schools, institutes and vocational schools, they build chapels, shopping centers and curtail astronomy lessons in schools, and instead introduce “Orthodoxy” lessons. Because we are told to live poorly for our Motherland, and our "Kremlin" "patriots" have accounts and villas abroad, they tell us about love for the Motherland, and the offspring and wives themselves live and study abroad, and also citizens of another country. Moreover, everyone from "Guarantor" to "defender of traditional values" Ms. Mizulina. Because they scare us with the State Department and the Anglo-Saxons, and they themselves give them all the trump cards and cannot open their mouth against them when it comes to business. Because they talk about import substitution, and they themselves use Mercedes, iPhones and drink French cognacs and, moreover, write such laws under which crontons come to our industry with such loans for factories and businesses, with the complete destruction of secondary specialized education and the complete absence of skilled workers. Because Mr. Shuvalov says. "There will be no deoffshorization! Offshore money will hurt the Russian economy! " And the list of backbone companies, in respect of which forced deoffshorization was supposed, includes 199 public and private legal entities. This included the largest enterprises, banks, retail chains, central media and other companies, which together provide more than 60% of national GDP. These are Gazprom, Rosneft, Russian Railways, Norilsk Nickel, Transneft, RIA Novosti, Channel One, Russian Post, AFK Sistema and so on. If we add to this list those offshore companies that are not included in the list of backbone companies, it is easy to notice that almost the entire Russian economy, with the exception of grandmothers selling seeds in the market, is tied to offshore companies. Because, where in the Russian Federation do new electronic components come from, if engineers and designers are paid a salary so that he does not die of hunger. Russia does not feed its workers, engineers, scientists for almost 30 years, where to come from? Therefore, they hang noodles on the ears of the people, about the "latest" weapons, about the "new physical principles" (apparently this phrase Rogozin himself paired up with Patriarch Kirill invented) and about the "have no analogues in the world." Which were developed in the USSR and they suddenly became "the latest." Like "Caliber", "PAK-FA" and "Almaty". Because Russia, since the 1991 of the year, has not produced anything of its own, it has not even built a single large plant (Neftyanki and GS do not count), which were built in the USSR during the five-year period. Everything from the fact that the current greedy, dumb-headed government is not going to live and create in this country. In addition to stealing and parasitizing people, under "pseudo-patriotic" slogans. They are at war with the Soviet legacy and with the history of the USSR. Deflate the People's Property.

      PS The street gopota came up with a game of thimbles to twist pockets to the client. A world-class gopot came up with a "sovereign-patriotic policy" that local guys hired by her create literally before your eyes. Well, while you stare at her, the same thing happens with your pockets as with the pockets of thimble lovers ... But if it’s easier ... Someone with a clever head seemed to realize that the Russian sucker is not a European sucker. And nevertheless it bites liberal values ​​badly. But on the sovereign-patriotic - with all our pleasure!
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 47
        +7
        Quote: Saburov
        Yes, because since Borka Yeltsin, nothing has changed in the essence of power.

        that's for sure!!! nothing has changed at all !!!!
        in the taverns little brothers sit!
        contract killings every week!
        for justice to bandits go!
        businessmen laugh in person when presenting tax certificates!
        “green peas” are drawn up at customs!
        military / Ministry of Internal Affairs / Emergencies Ministry salaries below the subsistence level!
        car sales less than 100 thousand a year, of which 10 thousand foreign cars!
        mortgage? Yes! at 146% in currency!
        for sure, nothing has changed ... everything is like in a fight !!!!!
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 12 July 2018 14: 09
          +13
          not ... something has changed ... the girls are old.
        2. Saburov
          Saburov 12 July 2018 14: 34
          +16
          Quote: NEOZ
          that's for sure!!! nothing has changed at all !!!


          Ok, let's get simpler.
          Where are the social, industrial, economic, scientific achievements of Russia over the past 25 years? Which you can truly be proud of. Where are they? Why are they telling us that the United States is an "enemy", while placing the Reserve, Welfare, Stabilization Funds of the Russian Federation precisely in government bonds, banks in the USA, England, France, Germany and not one in Russia. Just look at the article of the RF BC 96.11 and 96.12 1. The funds of the Reserve Fund, the National Welfare Fund, may be placed in debt instruments in the form of securities of foreign states, foreign state agencies and central banks of the following countries: Austria; Belgium; Great Britain; Germany; Denmark; Canada; Luxembourg; Netherlands; USA...
          Why is our power rubbing us on patriotism and the achievements of a completely different state called the USSR? Why are we told about love for the Motherland by those people whose sons and daughters live and study abroad, for example, from iPhone or Usach? And so absolutely everyone. Why does our Sberbank give its citizens mortgage loans in 12-16 percent, and in "enemy" Poland or the Czech Republic under 3-4 percent?
          Why are single mothers raising infants paid a penny? Or pensioners with 40 years of work experience and receiving pennies? Why, when a person wants to open his own business, and they demand from him a “paw”, and as soon as he complains, a criminal case is instituted against him? Why is it impossible to achieve justice if some kind of "offspring" of the mayor or prosecutor knocks a woman to death and is justified? Or is a high-ranking thief coming out of parole? Why when a person served faithfully in his homeland in the Armed Forces and became disagree with the actions of the government, he is immediately accused and labeled as "agent" of the State Department? Why is the amount of 300 thousand collected for the treatment of the child through the first channel, although the state should completely do this, and the regional useless creature, called the deputy, has such a salary per month? Why are WWII veterans paid 10.000 rubles on Victory Day, and hockey players and crooked footballers are given Lexuses and apartments, not counting their salary? This is a SHAME! It is possible to list endlessly the “achievements” and “caring” for the people of our “wise” government.

          PS If we do not learn to think with our own head and do not stop believing in priestly-government tales ... to be beaten to us! While we are running around with patriotic slogans, our Kremlin “patriots” are bringing the national heritage to that country, which, according to the “documents”, is our worst “enemy”. Someone with a clever head in the Kremlin seemed to realize that the Russian sucker is not a European sucker. And nevertheless it bites liberal values ​​badly. But on the sovereign-patriotic - with all our pleasure! Do not have any illusions.

          As long as there are fools in the world,
          By deception, we live, therefore, with our hands.
          What a blue sky
          We are not supporters of robbery:
          A fool not need a knife,
          You’re lying to him from three baskets -
          And do with it what you want!

          Yours!
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 12 July 2018 16: 16
            +5
            Quote: Saburov
            Where are the social, industrial, economic, scientific achievements of Russia over the past 25 years?

            they are not and will not be ... perhaps some sort of separate discoveries, no more.

            Quote: Saburov
            Why are they telling us that the US is an "enemy"

            because it is so
            Quote: Saburov
            central banks of the following countries: Austria; Belgium; United Kingdom; Germany; Denmark; Canada; Luxembourg; Netherlands; USA...

            because these countries defeated the USSR in the Cold War and thus take reparations for themselves (tribute)
            Quote: Saburov
            Why is our power rubbing us on patriotism and the achievements of a completely different state called the USSR?

            because these are our ancestors, it is necessary to show respect for the ancestors.
            Quote: Saburov
            sons and daughters live and study abroad

            because they think that education is better there, etc.

            Quote: Saburov
            for a mortgage of 12-16 percent, and in "enemy" Poland or the Czech Republic under 3-4 percent

            because we lost the cold war and a high% rate was imposed on us which blocks industrial production in the country (a kind of blocker for the country's development).

            Quote: Saburov
            single parenting babies pay penny benefits? Or pensioners with 40 years of work experience and pennies?

            because the country gives its main resources for benefits and pensions to the country of the winner of the Cold War through the tools that you mentioned above.
            Quote: Saburov
            Why, when a man served faithfully to his homeland in the Armed Forces and became disagree with the actions of the government, he is immediately accused and labeled as "agent" of the State Department?

            because this military man lost his war ....

            Quote: Saburov
            Why is the amount collected for the treatment of the child through the first channel

            because it can save his life!
            Quote: Saburov
            If we do not learn to think with our own head and do not stop believing in priestly-government tales ... to be beaten to us!

            you did not notice, we are already bits !!! was the country 350 million. became 140 million. how much of our land was taken under its protectorate in the form of independent states ...
            WE did it all ourselves !!!! it is WE !!! citizens of the USSR !!!
            WE sold our great country for sneakers and marlborough jeans ......
            yes look Petrosyan E.V. for 85-90gg. everything is there. I really want to rot as the West rots ... etc.
            1. Saburov
              Saburov 12 July 2018 20: 09
              +8
              Quote: NEOZ
              they are not and will not be ... perhaps some sort of separate discoveries, no more.


              Quote: Saburov
              at which crontons will come to our industry with such loans for factories and businesses, with the complete destruction of secondary specialized education and the complete absence of skilled workers


              So what do you disagree with me then?

              Quote: NEOZ
              because it is so


              Therefore, it turns out that our "wise" and "patriotic" government are traitors to their people?

              Quote: NEOZ
              because these countries defeated the USSR in the Cold War and thus take reparations for themselves (tribute)


              Can you take the meat from the bear? I think no. He can only share with you. So a country with a strong military potential, it is difficult to demand tribute. Unless the government of this country itself decides to pay it at the expense of the people. So again betrayal? In Germany (which also pays reparations so far), for example, one hundred times more technological enterprises than ours and ten thousand times less natural resources. And the income in Russia from the sale of the public domain goes to completely different pockets. And people get cookies with butter instead of welfare, economic development and the rise of industry. The principles of development are the same everywhere, different ways and people. The principle of the state is the care of its citizens, their well-being, security, the development of science, industry, economy, etc. etc. And the Cold War has nothing to do with it.

              Quote: NEOZ
              because these are our ancestors, it is necessary to show respect for the ancestors.


              Only this power and government have nothing to do with the achievements, victories and discoveries of that country, called the USSR. Since modern power is their direct ideological opponents.

              Quote: NEOZ
              because they think that education is better there, etc.


              They don’t think, they know for sure that their children will definitely not live in Russia. Therefore, they prepare warm places at our expense. And to you and me, fairy tales tell how everything in Russia is “good” and “wonderful”.

              Quote: NEOZ
              because we lost the cold war and a high% rate was imposed on us which blocks industrial production in the country (a kind of blocker for the country's development).


              I have not heard more delirium! Nobody imposed a bet on us. We imposed it on ourselves in the person of the Yeltsinoid grabbers of the Central Bank of Russia, which, in order not to invest in the economy of our country, in production and quickly make a profit by buying and reselling bucks, by lending, made a high percentage at a key rate. But any bank that comes to our market takes money at a key rate, it is from the Central Bank, it does not work with its money. The key rate at which the Central Bank lends to banks is about 8%. This is fucking (in developed countries no more than 2%)! But the bank also winds up the same amount on its loans (in order to survive). And he pays 10% to depositors for using their funds, and he offers the same money to borrowers at the rate of 20-25%. A business that could afford to pay such a percentage while working legally simply does not exist. In such circumstances, our economy will never work. When domestic banks, including the Central Bank and Sberbank, prefer to invest in Western economies (primarily in the US economy), and Russian is not considered a place for investment at all! Even for industrialists and agricultural producers, loans are simply predatory. But the Ministry of Finance does not want to subsidize loans that are too expensive, and we do not have inexpensive loans! And the result is a vicious circle! Who is guilty? State Department? Aliens?

              Quote: NEOZ
              because the country gives its main resources for benefits and pensions to the country of the winner of the Cold War through the tools that you mentioned above.


              This is from the category of “Boyars are bad, the Tsar is good” or the “State Department” is to blame for everything, and “He” is not to blame for anything. My friend, look at our billionaires and petro-oligarchy. They pay nothing to anyone. They pay themselves. And they sell everything for a penny. And who "allows" them to live well?

              Quote: NEOZ
              because this military man lost his war ....


              And, that is, he had to go shoot or arrange a revolution? You are not talking about what is now, but about the past. The theme is about the current state of our country and its inadequate leadership.

              Quote: NEOZ
              because it can save his life!


              Because this is disgusting on the part of our government and the Ministry of Health of Russia. To ask the people for money when the Russian Orthodox Church is fattening, oligarchs and officials.

              Quote: NEOZ
              you did not notice, we are already bits !!! was the country 350 million. became 140 million. how much of our land was taken under its protectorate in the form of independent states ...


              It is not a matter of quantity, but of justice. A country with rich resources, with enormous scientific and production potential, lives as a third-rate country. For example, in Norway, Australia, Japan or Canada there are much fewer inhabitants than ours. But this does not stop them from developing and taking care of their citizens.

              PS It’s enough to go outside, look at the roads, at the huckster, at the poor pensioners, at bank loans, at prices for fat officials and priests, at the collapsing infrastructure and theft in the housing and communal services, at the bending industry, at complete incompetence and corruption in all echelons of power, for scolding and fooling the people that goes through our media, for cheap salaries from teachers, engineers and scientists, for education, for the state clericalization of society for the complete absence of social benefits and protection from the people, etc., etc. e rs, etc. The authorities are holding the people for the acting and acting, while we are doing our best to justify this trust.
              1. Simple
                Simple 12 July 2018 23: 53
                0
                Quote: Saburov
                In Germany (which also pays reparations so far), for example, one hundred times more technological enterprises than ours and ten thousand times less natural resources.


                I can not vouch for the "hundred" and "thousands" but a couple of facts:

                Every year in April (time period) in Germany, natural resources "run out" and resources of other countries are spent the rest of the time.

                If the former inhabitants of our planet would live as in Germany, then there would not be enough three planets (by resources)

                And if every resident of China will drive a car .... wassat
          2. sgapich
            sgapich 14 July 2018 22: 33
            +2
            Quote: Saburov
            It is enough to look at the article of the RF BC 96.11 and 96.12 1. The funds of the Reserve Fund, the National Welfare Fund, can be placed in debt instruments in the form of securities of foreign states, foreign state agencies and central banks of the following countries: Austria; Belgium; United Kingdom; Germany; Denmark; Canada; Luxembourg; Netherlands; USA...


            Strange, for some reason I did not see a word about the list of countries in the RF BC from 31.07.1998 N 145-ФЗ (as amended by 04.06.2018).
            Part 4 of Article 96.11 reads as follows: “The funds of the National Wealth Fund may be placed in foreign currency and the following types of financial assets:
            debt obligations of foreign states, foreign state agencies and central banks;
            debt obligations of international financial organizations, including those executed with securities;
            deposits and balances in bank accounts with banks and credit organizations, including for the purpose of financing sustainable infrastructure projects, the list of which is approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
            deposits and bank balances in the state corporation Bank for Development and Foreign Economic Affairs (Vnesheconombank), including with the aim of financing projects of the state corporation Bank for Development and Foreign Economic Affairs (Vnesheconombank) in the real sector of the economy, implemented by Russian organizations;
            deposits and balances in bank accounts with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation;
            debt obligations and shares of legal entities, including Russian securities, related to the implementation of sustainable infrastructure projects, the list of which is approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
            units of investment funds that are managed in trust by a management company operating in accordance with the Federal Law "On the Russian Direct Investment Fund."
            1. Saburov
              Saburov 14 July 2018 23: 31
              +1
              Quote: sgapich
              Strange, for some reason I did not see a word about the list of countries in the RF BC from 31.07.1998 N 145-ФЗ (as amended by 04.06.2018).


              You are watching the law itself. And you need to watch the management of this law. Please list the countries and banks where our funds are located. Information of the official website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.

              https://www.minfin.ru/ru/perfomance/reservefund/m
              anagement /

              1. the funds of the Reserve Fund may be placed in debt instruments in the form of securities of foreign states, foreign state agencies and central banks of the following countries:

              Austria;
              Belgium;
              United Kingdom;
              Germany;
              Denmark;
              Canada;
              Luxembourg;
              Netherlands;
              USA;
              Finland;
              France;
              Sweden.

              3. international financial organizations, in which debt funds of the Reserve Fund may be placed, include:

              - Asian Development Bank (Asian Development Bank, ABD);

              - Development Bank under the Council of Europe (Council of Europe Development Bank, CEB);

              - European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, EBRD);

              - European Investment Bank (EIB);

              - Inter-American Development Bank (Inter-American Development Bank, IADB);

              - International Finance Corporation (International Finance Corporation, IFC);

              - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD);

              - International Monetary Fund (IMF);

              - Northern Investment Bank (Nordic Investment Bank, NIB).

              3. the list of foreign state agencies in whose debt obligations the funds of the Reserve Fund can be placed (as agreed with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation):

              - Austrian Export-Import Bank (Oesterreichische Kontrollbank Aktiengesellschaft, OKB);

              - Agency for State Lending, Spain (Instituto de Credito Oficial, ICO);

              - Agency for financing motorways and motorways, Austria (Autobahnen- und Schnellstrassen- Finanzierungs- Aktiengesellschaft, ASFINAG);

              - Group of banks for reconstruction and development, Germany (Kreditanstalt fur Wiederaufbau Bankengruppe);

              - Canadian Agency for Export Development (Export Development Canada, EDC);

              - Municipal Bank of the Netherlands (Bank Nederlandse Gemeenten, BNG);

              - Medium-Term Railway Network Financing Society, United Kingdom (Network Rail MTN Finance CLG (Plc));

              - Agricultural rental bank, Germany (Landwirtschaftliche Rentenbank);

              - The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, USA (Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, Freddie Mac);

              - Federal National Mortgage Association, USA (Federal National Mortgage Assosiation, Fannie Mae);

              - Federal banks lending to housing, USA (Federal Home Loan Banks, FHLBanks);

              - Federal Farm Credit Banks, USA (Federal Farm Credit Banks, FFCB);

              - Municipal Credit Fund, France (Dexia Group);

              - Social Security Debt Service Fund, France (Caisse d'Amortissement de la Dette Sociale, CADES);

              - French Mortgage Fund (Credit Foncier de France, CFF);




              PS I’m not taking this information from the ceiling. So another robbery of the Russian People in the framework of the "law".

              Yours!
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 15 July 2018 15: 27
                0
                The same with the rest of the funds.

                Welfare fund.

                https://www.minfin.ru/ru/perfomance/nationalwealt
                hfund / management /

                Stabilization fund.

                https://www.minfin.ru/ru/document/?id_4=3353&
                order_4 = M_DATE & dir_4 = DESC & page_4 = 681

                Information of the official website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.

                PS As you noticed, the Russian Federation keeps money, precisely in those countries, which it itself calls enemies. This is all the clowning for the local plebs. Under pseudo-patriotic slogans, stealing money is handy! Do not have any illusions.

                Yours!
      2. boo
        boo 13 July 2018 07: 07
        +1
        Reason 1.
        In short, the problems come from the very top. The authorities are actually organized crime groups or the mafia. If deployed, then something like this:
        Some thoughts about the modern Russian state as a source of real problems (accidents, catastrophes, impoverishment and population decline, etc.) and the mafia.
        The essence of modern Russian power is the privatization of the state, the replacement of real state functions with fictitious, ostentatious, serving the interests of government officials. In the modern Russian state, state functions in the classical sense (protection from crime, healthcare, education, environmental protection, construction of infrastructure and strategic facilities) have been virtually eliminated or are being eliminated, officials are solely monetizing their posts.
        In order not to be unfounded, you can compare the modern state apparatus of the Russian Federation with what was with the scoop:
        A. When the scoop was any State that is poor, poorly fulfilled its functions:
        1. The infrastructure was updated, no plants and factories were built
        2. People were treated - the medicine was pretty good by international standards
        3. The state at least performed environmental functions (reserves, forest conservation, reclamation, land reclamation, utilization, etc.)
        4. Law enforcement agencies, if not to touch the corrupt leaders, at least performed their function.
        5. The level of theft of the elite was not comparable with the current one - trillions of dollars of national wealth were not exported from the country to invest in the west.
        6. The state supported science and education, considered the best in the world.
        B. Now some of these functions are abolished or completely abolished:
        1. Since the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Federation has lived relatively comfortably EXCLUSIVELY due to the operation of the infrastructure built in Soviet times, without investing the required huge amounts of money there. Very few new industries were created, the country lived mainly through the operation of only old raw materials built in the Soviet era.
        2. Free medicine is completely abolished. Even the quality of the current paid is much worse than the quality of the Soviet free. I’m generally silent about the latest pension reform.
        3. Environmental protection activity, which is considered basic throughout the world (forest protection, deepening of rivers and reservoirs, reserves, etc.), has completely collapsed.
        The modern Russian government behaves like an occupation administration, plundering natural resources without restrictions and without braking polluting nature with dumps and emissions of harmful industries (greetings to the inhabitants of Volokolamsk). In a developed country, such a course of action would entail a SEVERE criminal prosecution, and a business that would do this would instantly destroy state structures (once again, greetings to the residents of Volokolamsk, as well as Krasnoyarsk, Magnitogorsk and Norilsk, and many other cities of the Russian Federation)
        4. I think everyone is aware of the law enforcement bodies and the level of theft of government officials, they have long and firmly taken the place of criminal structures in the drug market, in the market for raiding and seizing other people's property, or for direct theft of budget funds. In fact, government officials, police and special services officers (of course, not all) are now the same bandits, but under the state sign, covered from all sides by their crusts, posts and ties. They have long decomposed and degenerated into dollar multimillionaires. Nowhere in developed countries is there such a situation that the WHOLE DEPARTMENT has degenerated into a bunch of criminal structures.
        5. All over the world, any developed country tries to maintain its science and hi-tech to the maximum, cherishes, cherishes and nurtures its talented scientists. The exception is the Russian Federation, where its advanced industry has been purposefully destroyed and conditions have been created for young scientists so that they emigrate to the west in herds. Thieves, gangsters do not need science, modern industry, education, for this they need to invest huge amounts of money, which they prefer to put into their accounts.
        B. The moral of the fable:
        Now the states and authorities in their classical sense do not exist, there is a territory under development that is held by organized crime groups under state signs. Therefore, it’s funny to watch Kiselev and Solovyov and listen to their speeches about the “world” problems, it’s the same as if the Black Cat gang from the movie Meeting Place couldn’t start to talk about science and art (well, or about the 14 nm manufacturing process). As they say now, each state has its own mafia, but only in Russia does the mafia have its own state.
        Reason 2, the most important.
        This power is supported by the bulk of the population. And sprinkle ashes on your head as much as you want.
    4. Mercenary
      Mercenary 12 July 2018 15: 29
      +1
      They are partners of those who sit in the Kremlin! And the task was to set Chubais with his Nanki.
  2. bald
    bald 12 July 2018 05: 48
    +8
    As the military-industrial complex failed in the late 80s, we still cannot get out. Yes, it’s just beneficial for someone to feed our enemies. When we come to our senses and begin to restore our own - the same microassemblies (taking into account new technologies) - we did the same!
    1. samarin1969
      samarin1969 12 July 2018 07: 53
      +11
      Quote: bald
      As the military-industrial complex failed in the late 80s, we still cannot get out. Yes, it’s just beneficial for someone to feed our enemies. When we come to our senses and begin to restore our own - the same microassemblies (taking into account new technologies) - we did the same!

      I would add - "It is convenient to be under control and patronage." And for “some” they are not enemies, and not “partners”, but “ideological fathers”.
      1. bald
        bald 12 July 2018 08: 32
        +9
        But there are names and surnames - well, like water from a goose.
    2. MrK
      MrK 12 July 2018 10: 18
      +11
      Quote: bald
      When we are already educated and begin to restore our

      I agree.
      There is a plan of a major economist - a moron, and the best friend of his luminous - Kudrin A.L. True, no one saw the plan in person, but Aleksey Leonidovich managed to introduce the public to some postulates.
      In accordance with this plan, it is necessary to raise the retirement age, freeze pensions, improve, deepen, reform, raise, lower, and many more fashionable terms from the economic dictionary.
      And also, and this is the main thing, to establish relations with the West (Pass everything and agree to all requirements) and wait until everything by itself somehow settles down. The market will help us. But not to everyone, but to the most worthy who will be admitted to the last financial flows.
      From the article: How to live on? http://www.proza.ru/2018/05/28/1938
      And what kind of chips are there?
    3. voffchik7691
      voffchik7691 12 July 2018 11: 36
      +4
      "it’s just beneficial for someone to feed our enemies. When we’ll already come to our senses and begin to restore our own"

      I think everything is much simpler. The report went to the top of what they did, but in fact they bought chips, well, let's say for 100 lyam, and the rest was shoved into their pockets. Cheap and cheerful! Well, and then if that eyes on the floor - the demon beguiled ... we know the guarantor does not give up!
      1. bald
        bald 12 July 2018 12: 45
        +3
        Vladimir, I worked on adjusting the r / a, the military chips and microassemblies were the same chips, but that was until the 90th year, and then the collapse went, well, how on purpose, as many promising products were simply cut down. Well, the military system collapse system - something like you said - only it was pure betrayal. And on the site of the plant - an elite town was built.
    4. NEOZ
      NEOZ 12 July 2018 12: 39
      0
      Quote: bald
      When we are already educated and begin to restore our

      never....
      to restore it is necessary to recreate a country in which there were more than 350 million economic ties .... and we have only 140 million ....
      our country is doomed to degradation ... for objective reasons ....
      no one can overcome this tendency, no one !!!!
      1. bald
        bald 12 July 2018 12: 50
        +3
        I’m more optimistic - there is money - more than enough hands - and more than that - and the e-mail hasn’t made everyone fools yet.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 56
          +1
          Quote: bald
          optimistic

          yes, in principle, anyway, how is anyone configured ... the laws of nature have not been canceled yet ...
          ps
          study the issue of industrial production for 1000 years and you will see a direct dependence of technology on the number of people and the number of economic ties ... for example: production of a 1st fighter requires 100 enterprises, 2nd 400, 3rd 1600 .... to produce only an aircraft engine for a 4th generation fighter cooperation of more than 3000 enterprises is needed !!!!!!
          1. bald
            bald 12 July 2018 14: 32
            +2
            So it is necessary to build factories ourselves, and not depend on outside, with the union they built it quickly, and the necessary personnel were selected, filtered out, the necessary ones remained.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 12 July 2018 15: 36
              0
              Quote: bald
              there were more than 350 million economic ties .... and we have only 140 million ....

              Quote: bald
              the production of a 1st fighter requires 100 enterprises, the 2nd 400, the 3rd 1600 .... for the production of only an aircraft engine for the 4th generation fighter, the cooperation of more than 3000 enterprises is necessary

              Can't see the connection?
              1. bald
                bald 12 July 2018 17: 50
                0
                I see, but I will give an example. Our "ON FLIGHT" with the union, most of the m / s, took from the factory "Alpha" - Latvia (he often flew after them, the acquaintances of Latvia were in the supply, managed a day). Then the union began to disintegrate and they, then still half-Russia, showed a fig. But there were at least three more large factories, and even we were fussed, a chip workshop was quickly created. Well, now about this situation: "Zelenograd Mikron and Angstrom, a secret factory in Kurchatov / NIIIS, auxiliary production in Voronezh" - and this is just what is said openly. But how many small, specialized prohibition shops. Why not expand them. I answered only electronically, I have information, and I think you can catch up in other industries. And the theme of the filling is electronics.
            2. Gennadich
              Gennadich 14 July 2018 15: 01
              0
              do you need to build factories yourself?! dear, you live in Russia? judging by your pearls you have not been here for at least 25 years
              1. bald
                bald 14 July 2018 16: 31
                0
                Well, you can ask the Chinese. He was in Nirvana.
          2. KVIRTU
            KVIRTU 17 July 2018 22: 36
            0
            So I wanted to show it on the example of Analog Device. In general, they produce a small nomenclature, while techies employ 10000 (!) Labs in 15 countries, in addition to the states. Therefore, both quality and price are moderate. Production cooperation in its purest form.
      2. polikarpich
        polikarpich 12 July 2018 19: 54
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        our country is doomed to degradation ... for objective reasons ....
        no one can overcome this tendency, no one !!!!

        The economy is shaped by the morality of the population. What are the mores in society, such and forms of interaction in the economy. In a significant part of the population, morality noticeably improved after all these cataclysms. Scientists even determined how many percent of moral people should be in the population (alas, the number in memory was not preserved) so that development would have a positive dynamic. The positive trend is for sure. So "our children will definitely live under communism."
      3. free
        free 13 July 2018 19: 30
        +1
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: bald
        When we are already educated and begin to restore our

        never....
        to restore it is necessary to recreate a country in which there were more than 350 million economic ties .... and we have only 140 million ....
        our country is doomed to degradation... for objective reasons ....
        no one can overcome this tendency, no one !!!!

        So you betrayed your class essence! The troll is a defeatist, a bourgeois hangover.
    5. kuz363
      kuz363 12 July 2018 15: 47
      +2
      Microelectronics is necessarily a large-scale production to ensure profitability. For example, INTEL manufactures CHIPS in millions or tens of millions of pieces per year. Necessarily need to export products, because such a quantity any producing country will not digest within. Sales markets have been busy for a long time. Of the finished products, the best samples are sent to defense, space. Part goes to marriage. The rest is for civilian use - computers, weaving, washing machines, tellys .... Perhaps it is possible to create some kind of analogue of the Western CHIP. But you can certainly say that it will be ten times more expensive and worse than the parameters. Maybe for the military of Russia this is necessary?
      1. bald
        bald 12 July 2018 17: 56
        +1
        In addition to large enterprises in Russia, there are several small ones with technologies of the level of 1.5-10 microns (for Roskosmos and Co.), but they do not fulfill commercial orders, and there is very little information on them. So, the total number of plants is difficult to calculate. The theme of production under lock and key.
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 12 July 2018 19: 04
          +1
          The topic is under lock and key because there is nothing to show success. Otherwise they would ring the whole world. The first processors for the USSR were mined in the west, then a structure of thousands of transistors was sketched through the layers. resistors and more. But this only worked out for the first processors. to 286. Already 386 have not been completely dismantled. So go after the west only after.
          1. bald
            bald 12 July 2018 19: 34
            0
            Vladimir, here is a piece of text - if you throw off the link for a long time to read. "Production of microcircuits in Russia
            In Russia and Belarus, there are five large microprocessor production facilities - Zelenograd Micron and Angstrom, a secret factory in Kurchatov / NIIIS, an auxiliary production in Voronezh and the Integral factory in Belarus.

            In addition to large enterprises in Russia, there are several small ones with technologies of the level of 1.5-10 microns (for Roskosmos and Co.), but they do not fulfill commercial orders, and there is very little information on them. So, the total number of plants is difficult to calculate.

            Micron and Angstrom use equipment purchased from ST, AMD, and IBM. At Micron, microchips are actually being manufactured according to the norms of 90 nanometers on 200 mm wafers (SRAM and Elbrus). The 65 nm process technology is slowly picking, the first prototype was released back in 2014, and in 2017, a pure CMOS process started working. On Angstrom - 600 nm on the old line, 130 nm from AMD and 90 nm from IBM on 200 mm plates were launched by the beginning of 2016.

            In this place, Russian poorly informed pessimists shout “horror-horror, while Intel has 14 nanometers, and soon they will launch 12”. This is due to a common misconception, according to which advanced devices can supposedly be made exclusively on the latest “nanometer”. This, of course, is not so - the advanced process may be too expensive or not suitable, for example, for temperature characteristics. The simplest example is very popular in Russia, the STM32 microcontroller (a French-Italian company), advanced in its class, is based on the British ARM Cortex M4, which has been produced from 2011 to the present. It is made on the technology of 90 nanometers.

            Russian factories Mikron and Angstrom can be used to produce certain products, such as microcontrollers. In addition, they are of strategic importance - specialists study around them, whose experience will also be useful in contract manufacturing at the Taiwanese TSMC.

            More complicated is the situation with fraternal Belarus, in which the Integral plant lives on contracts for the production of cheap microcircuits for Russia. Modernization of this plant would require a lot of money, which Belarus is in no hurry to invest so far. Nevertheless, a large number of specialists in microelectronics work around Integral, who can be used to design processors.

            The old 800 nm line at Integral is working fine, the 350 nm line has been running for a long time, but in the end it was debugged and launched. It is noteworthy that the "Integral" has a relatively high percentage of domestic consumables (starting from the plates).

            It is important to understand that the United States imposes restrictions on the transfer of technology for the construction of a factory in Russia according to the latest standards. But even the construction of a factory lagging behind the front line (“minus three generations”) would require investments of 5-6 billion dollars, while additionally it would have to spend a lot of resources on training specialists. In this sense, the current Mikron and Angstrom (equipment in which they were bought at prices much lower) represent a good compromise for the current moment. So far, Russian designers can use Mikron for some projects, and for more complex ones (like Baikal) - TSMC.

            It is also worth mentioning Crocus Technology, which brings ready-made CMOS plates to Russia, applies MRAM layers here, and then again sends them back abroad to the last layers.

            The Dutch company Mapper has a MEMS component production site in Russia. This site is already working - it is micron-norm photolithography, which Mapper discovered, probably in order to fulfill the formal requirements of Rusnano. These sites do not provide opportunities for Russia to obtain advanced photolithographic equipment bypassing US export restrictions.

            There are also a number of manufactures of microwave circuits on non-silicon substrates (for AFAR and co, microwave microstrip filters), with electronic lithography and more (ISHPE RAS and co).

            When design in Russia develops, the issue of more expensive factories can be considered again. Unfortunately, Russian investors with "oil and gas" thinking on market conditions are not particularly willing to invest in the development of commercial microelectronics, since the initial estimates of the shares are unusually high by Russian standards.
            1. Tochilka
              Tochilka 15 July 2018 11: 54
              0
              I’ll insert my 5 cents ... micron with its “onano” fiction. they could only make one demo sample and are worn with it.
              right now they can’t make one scheme (damn complicated) with dimensions of 0,6-1 microns. which was previously released in Germany. two years already doesn’t work ... and they tell us tales about 90 nm.
  3. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 July 2018 06: 26
    +7
    here only one thing comes to UM ..... add to the weight of 9 grams who is responsible for this! for 33 pieces of silver you can ditch the whole country!
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 12 July 2018 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      one comes to mind .....

      to restore it is necessary to recreate a country in which there were more than 350 million economic ties .... and we have only 140 million ....
      our country is doomed to degradation ... for objective reasons ....
      no one can overcome this tendency, no one !!!!
    2. Alf
      Alf 12 July 2018 20: 30
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      here only one thing comes to UM ..... add to the weight of 9 grams who is responsible for this! for 33 pieces of silver you can ditch the whole country!

      And the one that you have on the avatar has nothing to do with this?
  4. Carib
    Carib 12 July 2018 06: 59
    +17
    It is necessary to build factories, each expensive in a yard of dollars. It is necessary KB, equipped with high-level specialists. And where do they come from. We both did not pay engineers and do not pay in most sectors. My classmates who work where, in the specialty 3 people from the course (100). And without salaries, the engineer will not grow, he will leave to trade.
    1. AUL
      AUL 12 July 2018 08: 42
      +8
      Quote: Carib
      It is necessary to build factories, each expensive in a yard of dollars. It is necessary KB, equipped with high-level specialists. And where do they come from.
      How is it where? And in Rusnano? And in Skolkovo? Already there lard vbuhano - you can bridge the streets with microchips! And you say - where to get ...
    2. snovak
      12 July 2018 11: 01
      +5
      So the money was allocated to the program for the development of the Russian ECB considerable, 7 billion dollars. Where did you go? Or rather to whom?
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 12 July 2018 12: 58
      0
      Quote: Carib
      how they did not pay engineers

      and who should pay the engineers?
      who should build factories?
      What education do you have? what specialty?
  5. Nix1986
    Nix1986 12 July 2018 07: 16
    +8
    You don’t understand the author anything, electronics is then taken away, i.e. nano so you don't see her laughing In general, ask Chubais for electronics, he turned the intel on a transistor and will tell you how to create this industry Yes
  6. Efgen
    Efgen 12 July 2018 07: 41
    +15
    Electronics does not start from scratch. We need new engineers, which means that a task should be set for universities. We need developments in microelectronics. So the task of the RAS should be set. We need factories, technology. We need technologists who translate the ideas of scientists into the "language" of production. You need to be able to copy other people's microcircuits, etc. (work with topology, think over production issues), then again, we need specialists. In the end, we need a national program to boost domestic microelectronics. We need public opinion, which will be perceived as a model of the person of labor. Need a desire to catch up and overtake not in words, but in practice. We need "baits" for business to make it interesting to invest in this industry (tax cuts, at least). The task is more complicated than throwing dust in the eyes of the 2018 World Cup. And more worthy.
    Well, then, the poem of the pre-revolutionary poet Nekrasov, which got its teeth on edge:
    "This noble work habit
    It’s not bad for us to adopt with you ...
    Bless the work of the people
    And learn to respect a man.
    Do not be shy for the kindly fatherland ...
    I brought enough Russian people,
    Carried out this railroad -
    He will bear everything that the Lord sends!
    It will endure everything - and broad, clear
    Breast pave the way for himself.
    It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
    I don’t have to - neither to me nor to you. "

    As for the analog device m / circuits, it is not surprising. People work.
    1. AUL
      AUL 12 July 2018 08: 46
      +4
      Quote: Efgen
      Electronics does not start from scratch. We need new engineers, which means that a task should be set for universities. We need developments in microelectronics. So the task of the RAS should be set. We need factories, technology. We need technologists who translate the ideas of scientists into the "language" of production. You need to be able to copy other people's microcircuits, etc. (work with topology, think over production issues), then again, we need specialists. In the end, we need a national program to boost domestic microelectronics. We need public opinion, which will be perceived as a model of the person of labor. Need a desire to catch up and overtake not in words, but in practice. We need "baits" for business to make it interesting to invest in this industry (tax cuts, at least). The task is more complicated than throwing dust in the eyes of the 2018 World Cup. And more worthy.

      And all this became clear only this morning, after the release of this note? And the last few years, have you ever guessed about this?
      1. Efgen
        Efgen 12 July 2018 09: 07
        +7
        If the question is addressed to me, then I know about this for more than 18 years. If the question is addressed to the government, then it is possible that this question does not concern them.
        1. AUL
          AUL 12 July 2018 09: 10
          +3
          The question was rhetorical! Not to you. hi
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 27
          0
          Quote: Efgen
          If the question is addressed to the government, then it is possible that this question does not concern them.

          what do you think the government should do? give your suggestions / recommendations
          1. Efgen
            Efgen 13 July 2018 04: 23
            0
            In my opinion, some of the main problems are indicated in my previous text. Details on the country - not to me. For this I have megalomania is not enough)))
            But the first thing that needs to be done, as I think, is to recognize the existence of the problem as such.
      2. KERMET
        KERMET 12 July 2018 10: 11
        +5
        For the last 18 years, our government has been looking at everything through the prism of economic efficiency, and so all of the above tasks are economically disadvantageous to our government
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 12 July 2018 12: 27
        +7
        Maybe 18 years ago there were more important tasks? For example, stupidly so that the country of Russia does not fall apart into pieces of 10? So that the old women stop fighting over the trash for bottles with bums? So that officers do not shoot because they cannot feed the children? To submarines at least not drown? In order to at least somehow repay debts, so that a third of the country's budget does not go to pay interest? So that oil money goes to the budget, and not to Messrs. Bereza and Khodor? request
        I look that few people already remember. what was 18 years ago, from which anus we were pulled out and from which abyss we managed to jump. All those problems that authors such as something catastrophic inflate, to be honest, they only make me laugh. It’s like a person after a clinical death complaining about an acne in the ass. It’s terrible. belay
        The task of import substitution is a technical task. which runs as fast as possible and justifiable. And how much the country can do.
        So, for reference for 2014, import substitution required 826 items of Ukrainian products of the military industrial complex and more than a hundred western ones. The plan was calculated up to 23 years. Only half passed. And much has already been replaced. It is possible that something will not be replaced by the 23rd year, but by the 25th or even the 30th. Boltology and real production are, as it were, different things. But the road to import substitution has been chosen and the process is underway. So the result will be achieved. request
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 30
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          And how much the country can do.

          totally agree with you!!!! a country with a population of 140 million does what it can, and not what it wants!
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 32
          +2
          Quote: g1v2
          Boltology and real production - as if different things

          yes, but for some, one replaces the other ... and the less education, the more substitution !!!
    2. spectr
      spectr 12 July 2018 09: 28
      +1
      The problem is not only in specialists. With a creak, but find. And if it happens that the ignoramuses are engaged in development, then things will turn on the heads of these firms. Problems with the production of a series and with sales. Because of this, they are even going to introduce an irrational system, which was in the USSR, in order to somehow stimulate the development of electronics.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 12 July 2018 13: 04
      0
      Quote: Efgen
      The task is more complicated than throwing dust in the eyes of the 2018 World Cup. And more worthy

      To solve this global problem, we need a global country with a population of 1 billion. people (this is the main condition) is very stupid to demand from the country with a population of 140 million achievements per 1 billion people.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 12 July 2018 07: 48
    +4
    The list contains 133 ECB items, most of which are manufactured by the American company Analog Device. This company is a leading global leader in the design and manufacture of integrated circuits for processing analog, mixed and digital signals. The document also featured Japanese and other foreign manufacturers
    .
    ...
    If tomorrow is war, if the enemy attacks,
    If the dark force comes, -
    Foreign manufacturers
    They will not stand up for Russia.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 12 July 2018 10: 16
      +8
      And why the dark force to attack Russia? There are no idiological contradictions, resources are regularly given for candy wrappers, there are no special reasons
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 July 2018 10: 25
        +3
        In principle, yes, it makes no sense to attack, most likely you need to work on the principle: your gasoline is our idea .. There are more components of foreign manufacturers, good and different in the defense industry .. It is cheaper to buy than to develop your production ... There are no ideological contradictions .. ..
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 12 July 2018 07: 54
    +7
    In the days of the USSR, its special services were considered the best in industrial espionage ... and now, well, suppose they slammed something ... and in whose hands to give it, so as not to shine ... everything is private. In the days of the USSR, despite the sanctions, the military-industrial complex was equipped with modern Western equipment ... now an effective manager, in spite of the state’s share in the enterprises, is just purple ... they are finishing Soviet stocks.
  9. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 12 July 2018 08: 11
    +9
    Quote: Efgen
    Needed ... Needed ... Needed ... Needed ... Needed ... Needed ... n
    uzhna ... need ... need ... need

    Remember the joke about the tiger at the Zoo? He’ll eat ... so who will give him!
    When the people in a single patriotic outburst, joyfully and fervently ... even for 6 years. Selects these savages in power. And the very next day after the election, in the same unified impulse it begins to whine about its unenviable pension share ..
    And in this cool situation do you want someone from the Government to scratch at least a little about the interests of their historical (not Israel) Homeland?
    Holy simplicity!
  10. Pissarro
    Pissarro 12 July 2018 09: 23
    +1
    On the basis of a repost from the page of some kind of liberalist of some kind of muddy leaflet typed in Word, traditional cries were heard: “everything is gone !!!” from traditional forum alarmists. That is, everything is stable on the forum.)
    Walk to the liberalist on the page before raising a panic. Spread such a hack on Military Review not to respect yourself
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 12 July 2018 09: 45
      -3
      I agree. Fake next. Integrated circuits for the military are made by two Russian enterprises.
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint 12 July 2018 10: 27
        +2
        Moreover, there is a law that these schemes cannot be done in countries that are not members of the CST. From 2015 year.
        1. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 12 July 2018 11: 46
          +3
          "there is a law that these schemes cannot be done in countries outside the CST"

          We have a lot of good laws, but how many are implemented?
          1. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 12 July 2018 12: 54
            +1
            Many. At least I very much doubt that someone would openly pick up tactical missile systems with foreign components, grossly violating Russian law.
      2. Avenich
        Avenich 12 July 2018 11: 41
        +3
        Quote: Fungus
        I agree. Fake next. Integrated circuits for the military are made by two Russian enterprises.

        Chips okay. Field effect transistors can be justified with some interference. But there are also resistors (SMD true), capacitors, diodes. All this is far from being a "military", but the very thing is not to eat consumer goods. And how the document is composed, this is a song. In addition to temperature requirements, other climatic parameters are not presented (customer service AU !!!). Most likely, these products are intended for export and so that there are no unnecessary questions about copyright, in particular, we decided to fully equip them with import.
    2. snovak
      12 July 2018 10: 52
      +4
      The leaflet is not cloudy at all, but the document officially published by Rostec is full of itself. Here is the confirmation https://rt-ci.ru/uploads/59561b2e5fa204%20%D0%A2%
      D0%97%20%D0%9D%D0%98%D0%A6%D0%AD%D0%92%D0%A2.doc.
    3. snovak
      12 July 2018 10: 57
      +5
      I suggest that you, too, not be unfounded and provide evidence of “Khalture”. You first eyes the facts, and you still shout "fake"
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 12 July 2018 11: 20
        -2
        This is not a fact, but a fake. I’m stamping a million such papers for you.
        1. snovak
          12 July 2018 11: 25
          +5
          in this case, you're a bot
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 12 July 2018 11: 35
            -1
            You are a bot provocateur
  11. Daniel
    Daniel 12 July 2018 09: 42
    +3
    Nonsense, and at least give evidence that it is American electronics, otherwise it's a chatter
    1. snovak
      12 July 2018 10: 54
      +4
      All positions, manufacturers, etc. are described in black and white in the document.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 12 July 2018 12: 59
        +2
        A document is what the signature and seal are on. So, for reference.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 July 2018 20: 44
        0
        Something of this document was not provided in the article.
  12. Andrey Nikulnikov
    Andrey Nikulnikov 12 July 2018 09: 44
    +9
    And in Russia, the last factories for the production of electronic components are being closed. Was in our city factory "Micron" produced microcircuit-closed. In a neighboring town, a similar plant is still breathing, but not at the expense of the main production, but at the expense of renting its premises, that is, the production is actually standing, and the workers are on vacation.
    1. Daniel
      Daniel 12 July 2018 10: 04
      +2
      Well, your military receive the electronics from the Minsk Integral, only there they make super large integrated circuits and the factory receives profit from the blog for Russian orders
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2018 20: 56
      0
      Well, it’s not quite that MPOTK TECHNOKOMPLEKT CJSC has been developing developments in the field of semiconductor technologies for more than 10 years, both for private and state customers, and on an initiative basis.
      Angstrem JSC is the only Russian developer and manufacturer of semiconductor products from crystals and discrete transistors to modern microcontrollers and IGBT modules.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 17 July 2018 23: 16
        0
        I looked into their price list. M2TKI-100-12 module, this is 2 igbt in one case, 1200 V, 100 A, hold on tight, 4200 re. Two Chinese in net shops of 150 can be bought.
  13. Freedom in 0
    Freedom in 0 12 July 2018 09: 54
    +5
    My uncle back in Soviet times at the institute, a graduate student in the laboratory sprayed mikruhi, practiced various experimental technologies. So these are ancient times. Everything was. It worked. Go to any specialized store - for almost every mikra, except for completely new and complex ones, there will be analogues from the USSR in the catalog with the corresponding domestic marking. Take at least timers and operational amplifiers. If desired, almost all logic is built on them and quite successfully. That is, let’s say, well, you don’t have more complex, modern, and compact mics in the necessary version. Well, build logic on what it is. It will turn out a larger scheme, but it will work.
    And it was fluent, but in general - it was all. What is the problem to modify and use ... although anyone who needs it already knows what or more precisely in whom the problem is.

    Although ... I’m making a prediction, after some years there it will be announced that there was such a “special intelligence service plan” to buy the western one and use it in the military commissariat, plundering the budget. And this is all to seem weak and vulnerable to Western partners ... but in fact - power. A very tricky and multi-way plan.
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 12 July 2018 10: 41
    +4
    And under Putin-Medvedev, at least one program for the people and the country was implemented?
    The authorities plunged into power in their seats,
    their stomachs cherish the brain do not strain.
    The smoke of the Fatherland blew over our houses,
    the nostrils have been pinned up, you have to move your brains.
    The smoke of the Fatherland is not afraid of our scoundrels,
    because according to reports they recognize the work of a young man.
    Reports, like pictures, are drawn by aunts - uncles,
    because the grilles are not for them, they will not sit there.
    The smoke of the Fatherland and gunpowder, and fire, and rot,
    a place in the cell for life yearns for them.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 12 July 2018 12: 57
      +2
      If you stop lying to yourself and compare your life under Yeltsin even now, then probably, with the presence of elementary logic, the realization will come that the life of the people and the country has improved dramatically. Unless of course you work, thump, bum or be a mentally unhealthy person, you may not notice this
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2018 20: 47
      +1
      Were executed and quite a lot.
  15. shadow
    shadow 12 July 2018 12: 12
    +3
    If this whole article is true, then why do we have electronic warfare systems, but not in the west? This does not happen.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 12 July 2018 12: 53
      +3
      Do not tear them patterns, they have dances with screams that everything is gone)
    2. vadsonen
      vadsonen 12 July 2018 13: 08
      +4
      why do we have electronic warfare systems, but not in the west

      Because less need to watch kissel-tv.
    3. vadimtt
      vadimtt 12 July 2018 13: 59
      +3
      And because the old technologies are fully working in the electronic warfare systems, the new ones will quietly climb there only as a control and analytical component. And then comes the kilowatt-megawatt nonsense of klystrons and magnetrons, the theory and practice of which are perfectly worked out.
      And in the west, EW is also missing, only they have become the main stealth direction. Perhaps this will be revised over time.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 July 2018 20: 48
        +1
        Old technology is what it is all about and how it can work in electronic warfare systems.
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 13 July 2018 11: 37
          +1
          Have you definitely read my message? I wrote about what old technologies are in question.
          Not only that, the principle of electronic warfare has not undergone any special changes since the 60s, but also the obstacle to the band is many times greater than the noise signal.
          Significantly change only signal search algorithms. A significant milestone here was achieved after applying the Kalman filtering to the results of non-linear analysis (cepstral or wavelet, whichever is best). Well, neural network discriminators to the heap, but their use is still very limited (or information about their use).
  16. vladikod
    vladikod 12 July 2018 12: 50
    +1
    Shame! ... When allocating such funds, it’s impossible to master the high-quality production of electronics ... Corruption and bureaucracy will bring the “zugunder” .... And the summer of 41 may happen on a worse scale ...
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 12 July 2018 14: 01
      +2
      Shame is the amount of funds allocated, it approximately covers 0,1-0,01% of the actually needed. On the other hand, I am glad that they were allocated so little - they stole less.
  17. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 12 July 2018 14: 46
    +3
    It is necessary to understand, wise men from the liberal government cannot find the person responsible for the uselessly spent state funds?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 July 2018 20: 51
      +1
      The conclusions from this article are very premature, and have nothing to do with reality.
  18. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 12 July 2018 19: 09
    +1
    Quote: KLV2018
    so is it a zrada or overpower?

    Peremoga with the zrada! Everyone jumped for joy, mastering the loot! We built or bought villas on the Cote d'Azur, bought new yachts. What transistor chips are there? What codecs are codecs? laughing tongue wassat
  19. flicker
    flicker 12 July 2018 19: 34
    0
    But, apparently, the ministries did not cope with the task, and the funds allocated for the ECB development program were "misused" for other purposes. The fact confirms a document that recently appeared on the network.
    I even know why this so-called "document" "recently appeared on the network." laughing Just someone decided to cut the shekels bully
  20. Chichikov
    Chichikov 12 July 2018 22: 20
    0
    If I see smoke, then even if it is from a chimney, no one will convince me that this is not a fire .... Blah blah blah, not the conclusions! To begin with, the author needs to understand what is meant by the concept of an integrated circuit or an ordinary transistor, triac, etc. For example, a trigger, what kind of threat it can carry, what kind of “super-duper bookmark” you can implement in it. Yes, no! And there are 90% of such "common" components in the circuit! Why reinvent the wheel by investing billions in development, related infrastructure, equipment (which is simply not there), staff training, etc., if the nearest store costs twenty thousand? A bicycle is needed today, if not yesterday, and not in the boundless future!
  21. NordUral
    NordUral 12 July 2018 22: 54
    0
    But, apparently, the ministries did not cope with the task, and the funds allocated for the ECB development program were "misused" for other purposes.

    Why not for the intended purpose? Just what they were scratched from the budget, they sawed it out for that. Hoopoes!
  22. Note 2
    Note 2 13 July 2018 01: 51
    +1
    The very well-known Chubais stood at the helm of the port substitution of elemental base, and it is placed everywhere where it is necessary to “honestly and efficiently” master (assign) grandmas laughing
  23. NordUral
    NordUral 13 July 2018 09: 21
    +1
    There was such a film (foul and where) Bastards. So these “ours” are still those fools, they only know to steal, not create. And boast not done by them.
  24. Warrior2015
    Warrior2015 13 July 2018 10: 54
    0
    All readers cannot yet answer the main question: American electronics in the latest Russian weapons. Why? - Yes, because it is better than Chinese! laughing It's simple!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2018 22: 14
      0
      And just like the Chinese one, it was made in Taiwan.
  25. iouris
    iouris 13 July 2018 21: 56
    0
    And what is our ideal? Also Hollywood. Why? Because. So it is necessary.
  26. TOR2
    TOR2 13 July 2018 23: 11
    0
    for ten years and with spent budget funds in the amount of more than seven billion dollars, the domestic defense industry has not been able to overcome its dependence on the electronic component base of foreign production

    And why actually be surprised. It is extremely inefficient to create an element base only for military purposes. Where is the industrial element base? You don’t have to talk about everyday life, they are her
  27. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 15 July 2018 10: 10
    +1
    American company Analog Devices

    All these technologies “3D-MEMS” - Microelectromechanical systems - MEMS gyroscopes and accelerometers are produced in the “Russian MEMS Association”. namely, in the Moscow MIET.
    MIET affiliate, NMST Institute, in 2018, the refresher course (!) “Design of MEMS” (!) was completed
    * Analog Devices - part of our association
    1. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 17 July 2018 23: 31
      0
      In general, the usual practice of their manufacturers is lectures, classes, on the basis of our institutes. Advertising and promotion of their products with the help of future and current engineers.
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 18 July 2018 08: 49
        0
        Our products are already a generation higher. and it covers state secrets.
  28. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 15 July 2018 11: 32
    0
    It's okay to beat the Americans with their own weapons (AD)
  29. sgapich
    sgapich 17 July 2018 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Saburov
    Quote: sgapich
    Strange, for some reason I did not see a word about the list of countries in the RF BC from 31.07.1998 N 145-ФЗ (as amended by 04.06.2018).

    You are watching the law itself. And you need to watch the management of this law. ...
    PS I’m not taking this information from the ceiling. So another robbery of the Russian People in the framework of the "law".
    Yours!


    You’re right, I didn’t fully look at the reserve fund management mechanism. I was confused by the fact that this is not directly spelled out in 145-FZ.

    Yours!
  30. alexvmar
    alexvmar April 20 2022 21: 54
    0
    Well, that's the end of the partners ...