India is ready to return to the FGFA creation project. True, under certain conditions

India does not consider the issue of creating the fifth generation FGFA fighter on the basis of the Russian Su-57 jointly with Russia "finally closed", writes the Indian edition of the Press Trust of India, citing Indian high-ranking sources.

According to the publication, at present there are disagreements between India and Russia over the distribution of the costs of the project. In addition, the Indian side is not satisfied with the technology of aircraft construction and the number of vehicles that should be built as part of the FGFA project for the Indian Air Force. According to the Indian side, the cost of New Delhi for the project is too high, but India is ready to return to the project if there is a redistribution of costs between the participants. About this, the newspaper writes, India has allegedly informed Russia. And although today there is no "progress in this matter," the Indian side "has not yet closed the door to this project."

Recall that at the end of April of this year, India officially announced the withdrawal from the project to create a new fifth-generation fighter FGFA, explaining that the program is too expensive and costs about 30 billion dollars. In addition, the Indian side claims that Russia does not have any unique technologies to create a fifth-generation fighter.

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[For example]

the Indian side claims that Russia does not have any unique technology to create a fifth generation fighter.

We heard this:
- There is no Crimean bridge
Now here is the SU-57 is not.

In childhood I remember saying:
- change the record.

[MPN]

Oh well them. You just don’t have to look at them and not answer (or rather, randomly respond) As a result, you yourself will come where you need ...

[venik]

Quote: MPN

Oh well them. You just don’t have to look at them and not answer (or rather, randomly respond) As a result, you yourself will come where you need ...

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A long time ago, back in the mid-90s, an American worked for us at the company .... Funny guy! Somehow we (together) were sent on a business trip to one such provincial factory .....
During the “visit”, there was a meeting with a local official - the “district administration” ...... The peasant clearly counted on a “generous rollback” .... The conversation was short, but “very informative” !!! After that, Raymond (trying hard to learn the "rich Russian language") naively asked: "Voloda, and why should he go to" fuck "??? And what est" fuck "???"
I had to explain that this is a "hard-translated pun" with the "use of" local idiomatic expressions "" !!!
The same applies to the "Indians" .... Let will look for "strike" .....

[Seal]

Sir, have you been to Russia?
- Yes, sir ?
Tell me, how do Russians live there?
- live well!
Why do they live well, have we imposed sanctions?
- because Russians have a lot of money!
And where did they get so much money from, we introduced sanctions?
- and they forge them!
Is that how sir?
- To be honest, sir, I didn’t understand myself, but very often heard when one Russian asks for another Russian loan, the one who asks, advises the one who asks to go and get the money himself

[Dezinto]

Those. we still need to convince them that the plane is cool and technologically advanced - "well, please buy at least two elephants" ..... some cunning ....

[Semurg]

Quote: DEZINTO

Those. we still need to convince them that the plane is cool and technologically advanced - "well, please buy at least two elephants" ..... some cunning ....

So I understood from the article the share of Indians in the project 30bn. Interestingly, the Americans will sell the Indians 200 pieces of f-35 with lifelong service staff of these aircraft for 30 billion. 200 aircraft of the 5th generation, I think India is enough until the sixth generation to invest in. By the way, the Russian deputy recently voiced the idea that it is necessary to develop the sixth generation, but for now use the Su 30 before the appearance of the sixth generation aircraft, and Su 57 to order a small batch only for testing technologies and advertising for sale abroad.

[Zubr]

These dancers also amuse me very much .. Well, since we do not have unique technologies, what the hell did they then initially required the transfer of production technologies for SU-57 ..?
Kindergarten, pants with straps ...

[Starover_Z]

In addition, the Indian side is not satisfied with the aircraft construction technology and the number of vehicles that should be built as part of the FGFA project for the Indian Air Force. According to the Indian side, the costs of New Delhi for the project are too high, but India is ready to return to the project if there is a redistribution of costs between the participants.

Let them buy from F-35 mattresses demanding a reduced price for wholesale and technology transfer for local production in their India!
It is interesting that they will be answered to this ?!

[AlexanderVP]

Quote: For example

We heard this:

And which unique Do Russia Have Technologies?
In addition, Russia is the birthplace of elephants, and all that it does is "unique" and "has no analogues in the world." If you believe Kiselev from a zombie.

[-Pollux]

Quote: AlexanderVP

And what unique technologies does Russia have?

Nuclear technology, missile technology, Russia has a unique icebreaker fleet, Russia has many unique technologies.

[AlexanderVP]

Quote: Pollux

Nuclear technology, missile technology, Russia has a unique icebreaker fleet, Russia has many unique technologies.

And how sideways is it to the Su-57? Have you read the topic at all? I suggest: it is about the Su-57 and about the Indians, who say that Russia does not have unique technologies for creating the Su-57.

But in terms of nuclear technology, rockets, icebreakers - there is nothing unique, all that Russia has is also a foreign country.

[-Pollux]

Quote: AlexanderVP

But in terms of nuclear technology, rockets, icebreakers - there is nothing unique, all that Russia has is also a foreign country.

In much worse quality.

Quote: AlexanderVP

And how sideways is it to the Su-57?

Well, of course, and your next phrase is also about the Su-57?

Quote: AlexanderVP

Russia is the birthplace of elephants

[AlexanderVP]

Quote: Pollux

In much worse quality.

In the same or better.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: AlexanderVP

But in terms of nuclear technology, rockets, icebreakers - there is nothing unique, all that Russia has is also a foreign country.

Come on, burn! where besides Russia there is a working fast neutron reactor?

Quote: AlexanderVP

Have you read the topic at all? I suggest: it is about the Su-57 and about the Indians, who say that Russia does not have unique technologies for creating the Su-57.

vector thrust engines.
but that's not all
Russia is also unique in that in this country there are about 1% of the population who, at any opportunity, try to spit in their homeland. this is not in any country! and here these idiots are still not allowed to insult, beat the face or slam with whips. here is the know-how

[ZVO]

Quote: SanichSan

Quote: AlexanderVP

But in terms of nuclear technology, rockets, icebreakers - there is nothing unique, all that Russia has is also a foreign country.

Come on, burn! where besides Russia there is a working fast neutron reactor?

Quote: AlexanderVP

Have you read the topic at all? I suggest: it is about the Su-57 and about the Indians, who say that Russia does not have unique technologies for creating the Su-57.

vector thrust engines.
but that's not all
Russia is also unique in that in this country there are about 1% of the population who, at any opportunity, try to spit in their homeland. this is not in any country! and here these idiots are still not allowed to insult, beat the face or slam with whips. here is the know-how

I give advice when trying to insult someone with a smart look - learn 100% facts and arguments.
And then they will offend you.
In your own words - and it is you who will be a "burdock" ...
And it is you who will later bring only insults, no longer trying to give facts.
For you do not know the facts.

The first fast neutron reactor - made by the Americans.
10 years earlier than ours.

Indians and Chinese have such reactors.

And the fact that fast-neutron reactors were built by more or less developed countries, such as the United States and England. France, Germany, China, India. Japan - that after 20-30-50 years - they closed them up - we still have to see ...
But is there the very meaning in it, about which they again dawned on us, as about "having no analogue in the world" ..
We came up with some advantages. which for all the others - not especially the pluses ...
And this supposedly complete combustion in the form of Mox fuel - already European and American "green" - would certainly be supported and encouraged.
And the Greens in Europe are a huge force. More abruptly than EP in Russia in fact.
But no.
They do not consider these technologies important and breakthrough and closed everything ...


so think with your head ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: ZVO

For you do not know the facts.

in ... I mean industrial ...
and industrial only 2. both in Russia. no other country could. but 1% of the population is important not to know
and the problem is not ecology but curvature. that among the Japanese, that among the Americans, the reactors were covered, not stopped.
Germany tried three times. 2 screwed up for the third money was not enough.

so what about vector thrust engines? also not needed? stealth is needed which, according to American fairy tales, generally gives invisibility !!!

[-Pollux]

Quote: AlexanderVP

In the same or better.

It seems you do not understand the words that you write, it betrays a foreigner in you. Of course, there are many things that are better developed in other countries than in Russia, this does not cancel my words

Quote: Pollux

Nuclear technology, missile technology, Russia has a unique icebreaker fleet, Russia has many unique technologies.

[Rostislav]

Quote: AlexanderVP
And what unique technologies does Russia have?

Sergei, in the old days they advised: "Do not argue with fool, people may not notice the difference." Immediately not very clever "Cossack mishandled" lit up, a lot of honor to polemicize with this.

[-Pollux]

Quote: Rostislav

"Do not argue with fool, people may not notice the difference."

I am out of sports interest.

[ZVO]

Quote: Pollux

Quote: Rostislav

"Do not argue with fool, people may not notice the difference."

I am out of sports interest.

And what are your sporting achievements?

[-Pollux]

Quote: ZVO

And what are your sporting achievements?

Does the first youth rank count? Or, for example, a victory in regional competitions?

[Vladimirsky]

Quote: AlexanderVP

Does Russia have unique technologies?

reference point for uniqueness of technology? Do you personally have something to compare with, and find out uniqueness? Have comprehensive information ??? Indians certainly have nothing to compare. TRADERS - brains endure.

[AlexanderVP]

Quote: Vladimirsky

Indians certainly have nothing to compare.

There are others from whom they can buy.

[katalonec2014]

Quote: AlexanderVP

There are others from whom they can buy.

Yeah, but who will sell them?
The whole thing is that the Indians have nothing of their own, and therefore they want to develop with those who share technologies. By the way, India has expressed a desire to develop new generation P / L with us.

[Alf]

Quote: AlexanderVP

Quote: Vladimirsky

Indians certainly have nothing to compare.

There are others from whom they can buy.

So why don't they buy it?

[rehev931]

well, let them develop their technologies !!! who interferes with this or that ??? the dancers are not bad.

[svp67]

"Blackmail" seems to be the ONLY argument in such disputes in India

[Berber]

This is not blackmail. You just do not understand "Indian dance".

[svp67]

Quote: BerBer

You just do not understand "Indian dance".

Exactly, NEVER UNDERSTAND THEM

[Iline]

One of these days, information slipped through Italy's refusal to purchase the Fu-35. Let them buy it, but at the same time they will be surprised at the price of the service and make sure that in “skilled” Indian hands these planes fall like all the others.

[svp67]

Quote: Iline

and at the same time they will be surprised at the price of the service

Yes, they are already MUCH SURPRISED, at the same price of RE-EQUIPPING AIRDOMS, under the American "funderwaffe"

[Berber]

USA are good traders. Gluing "labels" on mediocre goods, and then selling them - this is their main specialization. All this "5th generasion" technique is the result of great PR.

[Fungus]

No conditions!

[Imobile]

I'll try to please, 60 to 30? And these 30 on credit followed by write-off?

[ioan-e]

Quote: Imobile

I'll try to please, 60 to 30? And these 30 on credit followed by write-off?

Where else is 10?

[Imobile]

Attentive guys on the forum. I wanted to take myself, now I have to share ...

[alexmach]

what to take? Commitment to finance 10% of the project? Yes, please, I think it can even be a decisive argument in negotiations with the Indians :)

[Aleks2048]

It seems to me that our economy can be a decisive argument. The problem is that selling the technology to the Indians, we actually sell it in the United States. On the other hand, the Russian Federation would not otherwise be able to build a SU57 for itself even for testing technologies. It turned out to be too expensive even if we assume that in the next 10-15 years the Russian Federation will switch to SU-57 as the main fighter, this will require a significant increase in the defense budget of the Russian Federation. We cannot do without trading in technology. I think in the Russian Federation we need to honestly admit that we cannot afford to exploit what we came up with, even when purchasing in large quantities, the price will not fall much.

[alexmach]

Do you actually have information about the price of the SU-57? What is there so sky-high expensive then? In my opinion, a significant part of the price is invested in research and development, and they are basically already made ..

[Egorovich]

Gypsies, there are gypsies. The Indians have such a breed, there's nothing to be done. Today I do not want, and tomorrow the Wishlist will grow.

[Volos]

Something India, with its “unique technologies” for 30 years, cannot launch a 3+ generation fighter and a T-72 analogue tank with a “glamorous” DZ.

[Mountain shooter]

Gypsies continue to bargain. Or then they will cease to be them ...

[_Ugene_]

If

Russia has no unique technologies to create a fifth generation fighter

then why

India is ready to return to the project

?
Not logical.

[top_war_shit]

and the Indians have high technology at every turn - and everyone is happy and rich

[Comrade Kim]

Traders, patented traders.
What to take from them when they left, they have long been waiting for requests from us to stay, on much more favorable terms for them.
But now is not the 90s. When, due to damned money, our military-industrial complex was forced to make unprecedented concessions.
In general, such cooperation is a very controversial moment for us. Hindus gain access to the latest developments, and we only have a few shitty $.
There is enough money in the budget (whatever the United Russia, Siwan and Sahibzadovna say). And if it weren’t enough for some priority projects, it’s possible to print - America does so (and nothing that Rosstat can no longer draw beautiful, but false digital cameras).
In general, the Indians didn’t manage to deceive us, they crawled themselves.

[pafegosoff]

Well, what the hell is India for us? Freeloaders on someone else's hump? Let them buy F-35s. Those are cheap

[Vita vko]

Quote: pafegosoff

Those are cheap

and if you rummage around the bazaar, then at a discount you can find Italy has refused. there is a vacancy of free space in the ward.
It is only in the tavern the desire of the client is law. With India, the risks of technology leakage to Israel and the United States are such that after their transfer, new ones will have to be developed right away, and so the prices are.

[K-50]

According to the Indian side, the costs of New Delhi for the project are too high, but India is ready to return to the project if there is a redistribution of costs between the participants.

The Indian side has seven Fridays in the week. They are trying to bargain for preferences by investing nothing but money.

India officially announced its withdrawal from the project of creating a new fifth-generation FGFA fighter, explaining that the program is too expensive and costs about $ 30 billion.

Expensive? Well, then go to pin dos nicknames. They have a similar program pulled over a trillion bucks, more than 35 times !!! Everything is relative.

[Reserve buildbat]

In principle, let them return to the program.
Only with an increase in investment and the purchase of ready-made aircraft without technology and with the ban poking around in them
And then they want to get the latest technology for free, and the dancers are trying to threaten

[Private SA]

Go for a walk in the bazaar, maybe you'll find it cheaper.
Goodbye.

[Wedmak]

Indian folk dances. It seems no project has done without them. And the more technologically advanced the project, the dancing is louder, longer, with a lot of choreographic elements.

[evil partisan]

Dancing in a circle.

[krops777]

India is ready to return to the FGFA creation project. True, under certain conditions

I have only one thought, but not to send them away with their claims.

[123456789]

Avaricious pays twice, gullible pays three times, Indians always

[USSR-1]

Quote: AlexanderVP

Quote: For example

We heard this:

And which unique Do Russia Have Technologies?
In addition, Russia is the birthplace of elephants, and all that it does is "unique" and "has no analogues in the world." If you believe Kiselev from a zombie.

A simple example of uniqueness is someone Alexander, naturally, Plaksin. A person from the category of those who are ready to sprinkle ashes on their heads and admire the "Western" successes. In the same development of military technologies and equipment, Russia has a lot of unique things. Why is your beloved west and will bite your teeth.

[HMR333]

and fish and sit on ..... sit down! only on the same conditions, not in the position to set conditions! since then they signed, it means everything fits and bargaining is not appropriate here; even develop and build, try to give technology and pay half))) I don’t like buying ready-made products at full cost without production technology!

[spektr9]

In general, in vain the Indians agreed to joint development, they would mourn the finished machines according to the result

[spektr9]

* paid

[abc_alex]

According to the publication, there are currently disagreements between India and Russia over the distribution of project costs. In addition, the Indian side is not satisfied with the aircraft construction technology and the number of vehicles that should be built as part of the FGFA project for the Indian Air Force.

People have great sorrow - they want to bargain :)

[Evgeny Strygin]

the circus continues.

[ZVS]

I think India will stay with 4th generation aircraft. When the Su-57 is put on the conveyor belt, the need for Indian ruppies will disappear. And the Indians will buy Su-57 from us for rubles or dollars.
If the Indians could not keep the assembly technology of the Su-30 in their production, then they can’t cope with the technology of the Su-57.
Let them levitate, they can do it better.

[ZVO]

Quote: SU

I think India will stay with 4th generation aircraft. When the Su-57 is put on the conveyor belt, the need for Indian ruppies will disappear. And the Indians will buy Su-57 from us for rubles or dollars.
If the Indians could not keep the assembly technology of the Su-30 in their production, then they can’t cope with the technology of the Su-57.
Let them levitate, they can do it better.

Do you really think that Indians do not collect Su-30MKI ????

[Apollo]

Quote: USSR-1

In the same development of military technologies and equipment, Russia has a lot of unique things. Why is your beloved west and will bite your teeth.

Probably from this squeak, the standard of living in the West at times !!! exceeds Russian.

[Apollo]

Quote: 123456789

Avaricious pays twice, gullible pays three times, Indians always

It turns out trusting Russia to the Indians at hand.

[Ros 56]

Well, create it yourself, it will cost three hundred billion green American thalers. It is much cheaper. They do the stripes correctly, set the price and do not hesitate, hosh take it, hosh look, it's up to you.

[bolt]

... According to the Indian side, the costs of New Delhi for the project are too high, but India is ready to return to the project if there is a redistribution of costs between the participants ...

If you want to redistribute expenses, then we need you for hell.

... the Indian side claims that Russia does not have any unique technologies to create a fifth generation fighter ...

Then what do you demand for them to be handed over to you.
And if you don’t like to build a fighter with us, get busy with the usual - breeding a new generation of stealth elephants. By unique technologies.

[APASUS]

Here is the whole intrigue and revealed, the price of the Indians is not satisfied! I basically wrote about this just recently. Here's how to deal with the Indians?

[keeper03]

Well, if there is nothing worthwhile in the Su-57 then stomp on the Americans - they will sell you a wunderwafel in three ways !!!

[Hadji Murat]

here the traders ... paid almost nothing, but now they really want to get everything for nothing ..... a combination of three fingers to them and not a 5th generation plane!

[aleksandrs95]

Indians are corny on the Eastern brazenly bargain, you have to stand your ground. Want a little more favorable conditions then buy and instantly-35 at the same time.