A proposal to liquidate the Pension Fund of Russia was announced.

The Commissioner for the Rights of Businessmen in Russia, Boris Titov, who heads the Growth Party, made a proposal on one of the aspects of a possible pension reform. According to Boris Titov, in Russia it is time to abolish the Pension Fund, since the management of work by this structure remains opaque.

During a meeting with journalists, the ex-presidential candidate of Russia said that today technologies are sufficiently developed to ensure that all the work done by the FIU is transparent to the public.

RIA News quotes Titov:

Modern technologies allow, of course, to do without such cumbersome, not always transparent organizations like the Pension Fund (...) This is an unnecessary organization that inefficiently pulls money, and therefore it could be completely abandoned.

Boris Titov notes that the functions of the FIU could ultimately be transferred, for example, to the Russian Treasury. The Business Ombudsman notes that the Treasury has carried out serious IT rearmament and can exercise much more effective control over the funds in the form of pension savings of citizens than the Pension Fund in its current form.

In fact, it is difficult to disagree with the fact that the work of the FIU looks "not quite transparent." At the same time, non-transparency is also added by reforms that are being undertaken, but are not being carried through to the end, passing already into new reform initiatives with the complete elimination of the previous ones.

In some countries, the Pension Fund is indeed absent. Funds for the future payment of pensions are simply deducted from the income of a citizen to a personal closed investment account. In this case, citizens can use the tools after retirement. In addition, funds in a bank account are inheritable assets.

Comments

[Anarchist]

The proposal is voiced, but is it too much?

According to Boris Titov, it is time to abolish the Pension Fund in Russia, as the conduct of work by this structure remains opaque.

Something smacks of plagiarism: the liquidation of the pension fund has already been voiced here more than once!

[Don]

Of course not! Well, think for yourself if there is such a transparent pension system, then how to steal? All of these private pension funds were created for large-scale robbery. So, six to seven years have passed since they were created, and now it turns out that the pension fund is empty.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Donskoy

All of these private pension funds were created for massive robbery.

As well as capital repair funds.

[KLV2018]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Donskoy

All of these private pension funds were created for massive robbery.

As well as capital repair funds.

and you won’t blame Yeltsin. Russia has developed excellent GDP.

[vlad.svargin]

KLV2018 (Cyril)
and you won’t blame Yeltsin. Russia Corporation has excellently developed GDP

It was Yeltsin who laid the foundation for all this chaos, which developed very much in Russia, but to no lesser extent in your Ukraine

[MPN]

Quote: Ingvar 72

As well as capital repair funds.

It is striking that if the management company does not repair the elevator in our entrance, the state will fine it for 300-500 thousand. Given that the income of the management company consists only of our payments - the question is - why is the state so frightened that, instead of forcing the company to make repairs, it selects our money for this repair?
And you say FIU. But even here, Boris Titov muddied the topic by the fact that he really wants to grab such a tidbit from which the PFR to feed, in favor of the "undernourished" Federal Treasury. As a result, about people, I doubt that someone thought ...

[avt]

Quote: Donskoy

All these private pension funds were created for the sake of large-scale robbery. So, six to seven years have passed since they were created, and now it turns out that the pension fund is empty.

Well, let's put the money from the revenues of several years, the EBN has directly poured into the election campaign all of these “Xerox boxes”, and yes. This “fool” knows what he’s saying - it's time for some of these

Quote: Donskoy

private pension funds

strip ends. And for this it is necessary to remove the main state manager - the Pension Fund, under the sign - “not effective, not transparent.” Then you look and flee to Londongrad, as the owner of one such

Quote: Donskoy

private pension funds

Mintz will not have to.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Donskoy

Of course not! Well, think for yourself if there is such a transparent pension system, then how to steal? All of these private pension funds were created for large-scale robbery. So, six to seven years have passed since they were created, and now it turns out that the pension fund is empty.

these cycles will be repeated as a change of seasons - first “sowing" - you need to change and create a "new" pension system, then - "seedlings" - collecting money from all possible sources, well, and the most interesting - "harvesting" and distribution "workdays". When the last part of the "ballet" comes - the homeland's pension bins are empty ... There is no money in the state ... But there is good news -

- the budget surplus in 2018 may exceed a trillion rubles -

The budget surplus following the results of the year may exceed the planned 482 billion rubles (half a percent of GDP) while maintaining the current situation on the oil market. This was stated by First Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov at a meeting of the relevant committee of the State Duma, where amendments to the draft budget were considered.

- 5 billion rubles were allocated for the recapitalization of Promsvyazbank ... but this is probably only for now ...

in December 2017, the Central Bank decided to introduce an interim administration to Promsvyazbank.

For the recapitalization of Promsvyazbank, 100-200 billion rubles will be needed, said Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Vasily Pozdyshev. “The lower border, I would say, is 100 billion rubles, but this is an optimistic scenario. The most realistic scenario is 200 billion rubles. Perhaps the interim administration will find something else, these are preliminary estimates, "


this is to the question of "no money" ...
Well -
why not liquidate the PF and not add pension payments to the budget as a separate article ?? And to limit the upper bar of pensions for some with "heavily loaded asses"!
How do pensioners differ from other “loafers” —budgeters — military, teachers, doctors? Why this laying of "PF" between pensioners and the state?

[militia2]

Yes, you can and of course abolish. But first, then - a balance sheet commission and an independent financial audit. There would still need to and of course to add a prosecutor’s check. If it is true that the head of the PF has a million salaries, and there is no money left in the PF, then draw conclusions and return the funds to the balance sheet. Well, then it’s already possible to abolish this PF.

[free]

Quote: Donskoy

Of course not! Well, think for yourself if there is such a transparent pension system, then how to steal? All of these private pension funds were created for large-scale robbery. So, six to seven years have passed since they were created, and now it turns out that the pension fund is empty.

Indeed, where the poor will camp.

[ltc35]

It is not heard, and in the near future is unlikely to be. Too many good people feed from this feeder just to take and poherit. Surely the pensioners themselves are not the main expense item of the FIU ...

[Anarchist]

Quote: ltc35

Surely the pensioners themselves are not the main expense item of the FIU ...

The main item of expenditures of the FIU is its content - 16%! Isn't it a bit much?

[210ox]

Alexander Notice the PFR offices in the cities are some of the most sophisticated ..

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[ufpb]

PF as an admin structure and nafig is not needed, I speak as having worked in PF for 12 years. Accrual-payment to transfer in taxes, and to make taxes. Savings - this is the private desire of a single citizen - other structures, like investment banks, state or private.

[Ilya-spb]

And I got an idea ... And if the Guarantor comes up with a similar idea?

Reducing bureaucracy and corruption is good for the state.

[I am Russian]

it's funny. The guarantor may come forward, but as usual, things will not go further than chatter.

[Anarchist]

Quote: Ilya-spb

And I got an idea ... And if the Guarantor comes up with a similar idea?

With something like that, he will definitely come out! Reduce the release date of the year by two or three ... And it will be considered a savior. This is his "performance", just the time of the release of the "protagonist" has not yet arrived.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Anarchist

This is his "performance", just the time of the release of the "protagonist" has not yet arrived.

I completely agree. If you speak too soon, then everyone will say that it was such a PR move on the topic of bad boyars and a good king. The client and the viewer must "mature". And then already on a white horse, shining armor sparkling in the rays of the rising sun ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Reducing bureaucracy and corruption is good for the state.

Yeah. And to transfer the palaces of pension funds to houses of children's creativity, or to remodel them into outpatient clinics.

[New Year day]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Today, 07: 26
And I got a thought.

But what if the government is dissolved with the FIU?

Quote: Ilya-spb

will the Guarantor be a similar idea?

And then on the horse. For now, he only has words

[prapor55]

To liquidate the Pension Fund, it is necessary to create a ministry for the liquidation thereof.

[jovanni]

Something smacks of plagiarism: the liquidation of the pension fund has already been voiced here more than once!

Moreover, it seems that some proposed to liquidate, along with the fund, bureaucrats-parasites sucking blood from the people. And it is right...

[Prisoner]

Well, how can you miss such a chance, remind yourself? Here Mr. Titov turned about the FIU. The theme is resonant.

[Vend]

It's time to eliminate. It is enough to create accumulative pension accounts in the Central Bank or Sberbank

[Marlenych]

The storage system has been operating for a long time, but it is frozen, because money for current retirees ceased to be enough. The accumulated money is paid to the heirs if the person has died. If he retired and died, then no, because insurance system. And the current pensioner has ceased to miss, because everything goes to the accumulations now working. A maratorium on savings was introduced.

[militia2]

And it should also be noted that according to the current scheme, it will be funded accounts that are replenished now and in the future for relatively young workers. Therefore, their number will decrease or increase - this will not affect the insurance pension. No matter how someone justifies the difficulties of the PF by reducing the number of employees, this is all from the evil one.

[zloybond]

In a country that receives income from the sale of oil and gas? And here are the liberals in general? Everything is clearly marked here. Officers out the door. Pension contributions to accounts, Access after exit. Savings make inheritable. And the whole game of thimbles - it's time to stop.

[Tusv]

Well. Growth paritia will be a teperacha by our replenishment pension fund. I For !!! Let’s, who ischo wants to raise a pension. Your vote. At my expense but with your money I always agree

[Ingvar 72]

Vladimir, you're laughing in vain. If you look at the offices of the pension fund in different cities, it becomes clear why DAM says "There is no money, but you hold on."

[Tusv]

Quote: Ingvar 72

If you look at the offices of the pension fund in different cities, it becomes clear why DAM says "There is no money, but you hold on."

In the Pension Fund of money, chickens do not peck, But DAM is right, that Dame is not for nefig

[avt]

Quote: Tusv

In the Pension Fund of money, chickens do not peck, But DAM is right, that Dame is not for nefig

Not just LOTS of money, the main thing is that they constantly arrive and in fact they are “LONG”! And when the retirement age rises, they become MORE “LONG”! Despite the fact that by the time of payment a significant part goes to the main state regulator - Pension to the fund. Let’s simultaneously adopt TWO laws - On raising the retirement age and ... On the inheritance right for accumulated pension contributions - pensions. It would be nice to look at the faces and listen to the speeches of ,, human rights defenders "and this ,, obsolete man" -Abrau Durso on such a "tandem."

[Tusv]

Quote: avt

On the inheritance right to accumulated pension contributions -pensions.

That's right

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: avt

On raising the retirement age and ... On the inheritance right to accumulated pension contributions

Yes, Shark, I would have looked at the fact that they would bleat in response to this proposal!

[militia2]

They will not bleat. We will bleat because inflation, etc., will simply devour these accumulations.

[Phil77]

This is an offer, well, just an offer. Once it is not eliminated, too many feed on it.

[Mountain shooter]

Reasonable offer. Just one question. In what currency should savings be stored and how to deal with inflation? The ruble during the life of a person has "jumped" to a complete loss of confidence

[saigon]

If only the ruble jumped, then the government jumped, but with it the government went on a campaign and the whole vertical jumped.
And the guarantor is silent

[godun]

Quote: saigon

And the guarantor is silent

Holds a pause!

[prapor55]

The guarantor thinks about the people, only about what?

[Vadim237]

Keep in blue chip stocks - there is at least a chance of a significant increase in investments, the main thing is to invest in the peak of the crisis when prices are the lowest, and then a growth wave and a profit of 3-4 years can be from 100 to 500%.

[Vadim237]

And there are no problems in their purchase by private individuals - how much money is enough for so much and buy it.

[samarin1969]

Quite the right sentence. The PF has long “frozen” funded pensions until it is completely canceled. At the same time, he received part of the money from the state. the budget. The PF has never been independent of the state and budget. And the Treasury is a fully efficient structure.

[rotmistr60]

Boris Titov

From the slogan of his election campaign - “What about Titov? ...” But nothing, the main thing is to say that he is and seems to be worried about pensioners who are forced to rely on an “opaque” FIU. Of course, the fund has enough shortcomings, but transformations can lead to new problems.

[volodya]

Quote: rotmistr60

Of course, the fund has enough shortcomings, but transformations can lead to new problems.

This usually happens with us! As they begin to improve something, so new problems!

[rotmistr60]

You correctly noticed, I assumed this when I wrote about new problems.

[AUL]

Of course, the fund has enough shortcomings, but transformations can lead to new problems.

For all possible problems transition - the PFR has systemic and fatal problems in principle! Therefore, it is high time for the FIU to disperse like the feeding trough of the right people. And the Treasury - why not? Just think over the pension accrual system and other nuances properly. I think it will not be worse.

[gukoyan]

I retired three years ago, in general, I transferred to the Sberbank from the FIU)

[Sirocco]

Quote: gukoyan

, generally transferred to Sberbank from the FIU)

Well, you risk however, the goat was allowed into the garden.
I’ll propose a utopia, but as a counter offer to Titov, to disperse their capitalists, and then order will reign in the country. Even the Bible says.

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who sold and bought in the temple, and overturned the tables of the exchangers and the benches of the selling doves,
13 And he said unto them, It is written: My house shall be called the house of prayer; and you made it den of robbers.

Also in our case, not only in the temple, these robbers wound up. But also in power.

[Vadim237]

Disperse the capitalists and millions of people will be left without work.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Vadim237

Disperse the capitalists and millions of people will be left without work.

Yes, this can not be)))) Remember the revolution of 17 years.
Have you watched Gref carefully? He said in white and white that no one in modern Russia guarantees both work and other cute things from the sovereign, but what about the constitution of the Russian Federation, you can go to the toilet? In fact, today most citizens of the Russian Federation do not have a job and a decent salary, so I see no difference. Well, on the topic, if, then I think we are smoothly slipping the topic of abolishing the pension as such AT ALL.
Look carefully Gref there tells in detail how to blow into the ears. Psychology sir.)))

[Vadim237]

Or maybe most of the citizens of the Russian Federation are not highly qualified specialists - that's why they work for a small salary. And a large part of the population works for private traders, according to the capitalist capital in your country. And your Gref has nothing to do with the pension system - he broadcasts a little there, today he is, and tomorrow he is gone.

[militia2]

You want to say: "And Zyuganov entered the Duma and overturned the tables ...". It seems nevertheless that he does not pull on the role of Jesus.

[forty-eighth]

You transferred to Sberbank only the funded part of the pension, which, according to government decrees, still goes to the pension fund. Golikova failed the second pension reform and began immediately for the third, which is a waste of time.

[Altona]

Quote: Donskoy

All these private pension funds were created for the sake of large-scale robbery.

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300 billion of pension money was stolen; a certain Mintz head from one non-state pension fund escaped safely to either France or Spain. And nothing, the Government, instead of searching for Mints and citizens' money, offers citizens once again to take a pension and retire “a little” later.

[faiver]

find this gentleman and return to the country by diplomatic mail

[Dormidont]

Or send him a leborough

[faiver]

no, no ice axes - nehai clean the tundra from scrap metal

[123456789]

Quote: Altona

Quote: Donskoy

All these private pension funds were created for the sake of large-scale robbery.

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300 billion of pension money was stolen; a certain Mintz head from one non-state pension fund escaped safely to either France or Spain. And nothing, the Government, instead of searching for Mints and citizens' money, offers citizens once again to take a pension and retire “a little” later.

Take all relatives - he will return and give everything

[Mwg]

I won’t be surprised if the Ombudsman for Businessmen soon asks for businessmen for a couple of thousand souls of serfs

[Sirocco]

Quote: MVG

I won’t be surprised if the Ombudsman for Businessmen soon asks for businessmen for a couple of thousand souls of serfs

So soon it will be, if we take in fact that we are working at the state of emergency, only we don’t belong to him, hence the bravado in case of complaints, they say that there are many who want to, but when they legitimize, then we'll talk if we can)) )))
I think we are returning to serfdom, private forests, the fields are the same, rivers and lakes are again not in the public domain, I think life is becoming more interesting and more fun Chippolino is relaxing with Puss in boots.

[Altona]

Quote: volodya

This usually happens with us! As they begin to improve something, so new problems!

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Improvements and reforms in their implementation are a cover for large-scale theft or abuse. Vaughn Sobyanin launched a "renovation", several houses stuck and forgot. They mastered the territory, so to speak, where instead of 5-storey buildings, 24-storey buildings arose. The dough was cut down and forgotten, they released a few pieces of precious Moscow earthlings for someone.

[Snail N9]

In-in ... I remember, with "hooting" the forum was "driven", at the very beginning of the discussion of "renovations", when I suggested that someone just "laid eyes" on especially tidbits in the center of Moscow, and everything else is a "smoke screen" .... just like there was simply no money for "everything else". It seems that way it turned out.

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: Snail N9

In-in ... I remember, with "hooting" the forum was "driven", at the very beginning of the discussion of "renovations", when I suggested that someone just "laid eyes" on especially tidbits in the center of Moscow, and everything else is a "smoke screen" .... just like there was simply no money for "everything else". It seems that way it turned out.

Yes, that is exactly how it turned out in the end - just someone urgently needed valuable Moscow land under old houses, just that. And as received, then all the renovations came out zilch ...

[APASUS]

A good idea, it’s worth considering. For one and the government headed by Medvedev, there’s no sense anyway!

[sledak]

There are many offers of various, practical and mediocre. But, taking into account how the GUARANTOR vassals juggle with OUR pension issues (you won’t call this a system), I fully admit that by my retirement with my pension it will only get worse if they are not canceled at all. Therefore, in the near future I want to monitor overseas PFs, for sure there are all sorts of pension plans there, in any case, the chance of losing savings in some neutral Switzerland will be much less, there financial institutions are checked by history.

[faiver]

the proposal is sound, only it will remain a proposal ...

[Dormidont]

I fully agree with this proposal. It would also be advisable to liquidate the government together with the governments of the subjects of the federation, since their functions are perfectly performed by the Presidential Administration.

[saigon]

Do you eliminate in the sense of a shoot?

[venik]

".....Business Ombudsman in Russia Boris Titov ... "Lord !!!! It also turns out to be such a" bureaucratic position "In poor Russia there is ....
How many can these DARMOEDOV to produce ??? Reduce the "bureaucratic apparatus" (10 times that way !!!) - you see - immediately and the money for the Pension Fund will be found !!!

[123456789]

Quote: venik

How many can these DARMOEDOV produce? Reduce the "bureaucratic apparatus" (10 times that way !!!) - you see - immediately and the money for the Pension Fund will be found !!!

All the same, they will have to be fed! They themselves do not know how to do anything ...

[uskrabut]

Quote: venik

immediately and the money for the Pension Fund is found !!!

The basis for contributions to the Pension Fund is the wage fund, therefore, without an increase in salaries, no increase in income in the PF, and especially pension growth, should not be expected. And an increase in the retirement age is a delay in payments for five years, to a small number of citizens, from which there is no great saving. Even the head does not fit the meaning of the upcoming "reform."

[Sirocco]

Quote: uskrabut

Base for deductions in PF is a payroll fund,

The conclusion from this? they started cleaning from the wrong side, the tonsils are removed through the anus, and everyone is convinced that this is know-how, and why not all businessmen should be pressed for the causal place so that they pay ZP in white. I am silent about the disgrace with envelopes in business. Magpie brought fresh information on the tail there is a ZMMK plant in Ulan ude, and so there is an agreement with envelopes on the assembly, they say that ZMMK went bankrupt and bought the guests from Zlatoglava, again proves that the fish rots from the head.
So what prevents business from squeezing in our country, if it does not change memory, then in the EU and Co., this is the gravest sin for which heavenly punishment comes immediately.

[militia2]

You, my friend, will be blamed for such a thing (and even a proposal) in revolutionary terror. Do not wash off!

[sleeve]

Let's. Only let it be a state bank with absolute guarantees. Let the state be able to use the funds only indirectly after a full cycle of transfers of tax payments to the account. And let the minimum pension remain in absolute terms, regardless of the amount of personal transfers. Nehren to carry out the fourth robbery of the population. And let it be 6% per annum, well, or at least five, so that it doubles every 12 years. And let ... In short, more points. In general, Mr. Titov understands why he moved into a stump of 1,5 percent. In addition to the notorious "entrepreneurs" in the country, and ordinary people live. They are paid pensions to them, and not to “successful merchants,” which Mr. Titov wants to protect from unnecessary deductions. But with these grief the bourgeoisie if it were not for the state corporations with their relatively white decent salaries and deductions corresponding to us, we would not have a social (albeit through mother) state. All that is possible and impossible "adjusted."

[Mikhail Matyugin]

Quote: sleeve

Only let it be a state bank with absolute guarantees. Let the state be able to use the funds only indirectly after a full cycle of transfers of tax payments to the account. And let the minimum pension remain in absolute terms, regardless of the amount of personal transfers. Nehren to carry out the fourth robbery of the population. And let it be 6% per annum, well, or at least five, to double every 12 years.

Duck, in fact, it is already in the state with us - the Central Bank and its essentially Sberbank branch, what else do you need?

[Kondratko]

Quote: sleeve

Only let it be state bank with absolute guarantees.

... For some reason, I immediately remembered the year 1991, the new Russia, cash withdrawals in savings banks no more than 100 rubles (by that time already greatly depreciated) in one hand. A bank with absolute guarantees is a chimera. )
And yes, it would be nice.

[Horon]

In some countries, the Pension Fund is indeed absent. Funds for the future payment of pensions are simply deducted from the citizen's income to a personal closed investment account.

Such a naive! Recently, so many banks have disappeared along with savings that such calls can be made either from stupidity and a short memory, or from a good personal interest, perhaps well oiled with money! We do not have a state bank, except for the Central Bank, and it does not work with individuals, and private banks tend to burst, and after that there will be no one to ask.

[Was mammoth]

"Time does not wait!".
Another "concern" of the authorities for the welfare of the people following the pension reform, VAT, gas prices, utilities .. and other bouquet voiced. Coming "government drug reform". According to the Russian Minister of Health," two options are possible. The first - «avoiding public procurement and the transition to the possibility of an individual, according to prescription, preparation at a reference price ", the second -"immerse in a single digital circuit[/ b] with the absence of any duplication, with the understanding of who is in this circuit - across all regional segments[B]»."
http://svpressa.ru/society/article/204374/
Regional Ryazan Minister has already begun. Emergency care is transferred to clinics. This is instead of strengthening and equipping the ambulance. I can’t imagine how the local therapist can provide urgent and high-quality help.
It seems to me that only one fundamental reform is needed - the reform of state power.

[Cossack 471]

VEB recently asked permission to "make debts" from the government. what do you think . Have you received the good? And investigators on especially important matters should already work with the pension fund. Gref recently stated. that Sberbank needs to be sold. And through which bank will pensions come? Through bursting?

[Snail N9]

"Immersed in a single digital circuit [/ b] with the absence of any duplication, with the understanding of who is in this circuit - for all regional segments [b]."

To go nuts - "twisted" ..... so that it is "scientifically", in the spirit of the new cartoon of the "sun-faced" -substantial "digital state", and .... so that no one understands anything ... I'll take quotes in my "piggy bank" for subsequent use in business correspondence, for "unsubscribing" or when you need to "turn on the fool" ....

[Gardamir]

The Pension Fund will be liquidated, but will they leave the increase in the retirement age?

[Vadim237]

This law has not yet been adopted - no one has officially raised the retirement age yet.

[Gardamir]

This law has not yet been adopted.

I know. what will be taken in the fall, but they will.

[Vadim237]

They will - and maybe they won’t.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

or maybe they won’t.

Bet a liter?

[Vadim237]

You liter what?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadim237

You liter of what?

Are you obviously ready to lose? Well, if that is so, then a liter of tequila will suit me!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

a liter of tequila on the con will suit me!

Write me down there. Will be if you not lucky two liters
Well, like a consolation prize or something

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Will, if you are not lucky, two liters

Those. Are you ready to bet on a liter of tequila that they will not raise the retirement age?
It’s not a question of Kitty, I’m ready to affix two liters of tequilos, in case of a complete cancellation of raising the retirement age. But of course, in the event that you and Vadim 237 send me a liter of tequila in case of any increase in pence. age. Have you agreed?
P.S. Judging by your comments, you are again worried about grammar, not meaning?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Are you ready to bet on a liter of tequila that they will not raise the retirement age?

I do not give a damn. If I live to at least 60, I will pump out all the local homeless people per liter. Tequila optionally

Quote: Ingvar 72

It’s not a question of Kees, I’m ready to affix two liters of tequilos, in case of a complete cancellation of raising the retirement age

Osia, I’m exactly on you and on tequila. I repeat - I do not drink

Quote: Ingvar 72

Have you agreed?

Get a disposable card. I'll throw you a few little things there. A piece, two, three. Well, if you win, essno.
I’m somehow not ready to send you tequila by courier

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

If I live to be at least 60

What does your life span have to do with it? The question is different.

Quote: Golovan Jack

I repeat - I do not drink

Then what are you sitting on?

Quote: Golovan Jack

Get a disposable card. I'll throw you a few little things there. A piece two two three

More or less good tequila for the stock in two pieces to meet. Those. have you agreed? According to the results of the adoption of non-adoption of the law, the card number in PM. I answer for my words.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Then what are you sitting on?

At the fifth point ... when I'm sitting.
But it's rare - I move, mostly

Quote: Ingvar 72

According to the results of the adoption of non-adoption of the law, the card number in PM.

No problem.

Quote: Ingvar 72

I answer for my words

Not always, unfortunately

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

This law has not yet been adopted - no one has officially raised the retirement age yet.

But really ... plus

[sagitch]

HOORAY! Pension fund cancel, and share all the money! That's just not all do not participate in this. A couple of initiators, a banker, a lawyer, customs, and the tacit approval of someone from the government.

[Snail N9]

Pensions are not just money, it is sometimes the “life” of entire families. I will say “in secret”, to my family, in the “sacred 90s” only regularly receiving pensions from my parents helped me not to die of hunger, during the period of “total” unemployment and the “collapse” of everything and everything in the country. It was the same in other families at that time, the pensions of the elderly family members were the only, constant sources of at least some kind of income. Now, with the retirement age being removed, especially in terms of social pensions, the state will condemn to starvation not only the elderly members of society, but also members of their young members of their families if a general crisis and total unemployment begin in Russia.

[123456789]

“It’s good that we don’t have a ministry of air, otherwise there would be nothing to breathe.”
Anton Drozdov, Chairman of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. The official income for the year is 3 rubles. In personal ownership - three land plots, two residential buildings. “Mercedes” and “Lexus” are recorded on the wife, in the use of a family of three, including a minor child, there is a seven-room (!) Apartment of 940 square meters and a summer cottage. Drozdov has been in office since July 107, that is, exactly ten years. And she can sit as long, and even more, until a new style pension arrives (now the head of the Pension Fund has nothing to do with 335 years).
Nikolai Kozlov, Deputy Chairman of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. Personal annual income is 9 rubles, the wife's income is 241. Kozlov owns three apartments, his wife has another, fourth. And there is also a small cottage, which is jointly owned - only 766 square meters. But here not footage is important - dislocation is important. Cottage (in the declaration exactly such a word is used!) Is located in Cyprus. Otherwise, everything is just like in people. “Lexus”, “Toyota RAV16” - of course, in the ownership of his wife.
Mikhail Borodin, Deputy Head of the Department of Capital Construction and Property Relations of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. The vehicle is a DELPHIA 1350 marine motor yacht. Dimensions: length - 13 meters, width - 4 meters, that is, area - 52 square meters, this is like an economy two-room apartment. The average cost of a yacht of this brand is 140 thousand euros (in rubles at the exchange rate - 10,3 million). Borodin's official declared income for 2017 is 1 rubles.

Pavel Khripunov, Head of the Department of Infrastructure Management of the Automated Information System of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. Income for the year is 18 953 013 rubles. But officially, a large part of this amount is a loan for a new apartment. That is, it is assumed that, despite the deficit of the Pension Fund, Mr. Khripunov will be able to regularly pay both the principal amount of the loan and the interest on it. And this despite the fact that he needs to support a spouse, who, judging by the declaration, does not work, and three minor children. And also - to complete a house of 310 square meters (it is decorated for his wife). And of course, pay for gas for your own Cadillac and Infinity, written on the spouse. A loan + interest + a wife and three children + home construction + gasoline for two foreign cars + some food + utilities. And that’s all for one salary. I wish everyone such optimism!
Ilya Eliseev, Head of the Administrative Department of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. A lover of fast driving. The fleet is impressive: Infinity QX56 (average price 2,8 million rubles), Honda GL 1800 motorcycle (average market value 1,6 million) and Sea-Doo jet ski (1,5 to 2,5 depending on the model, 200 million). And also the Mercedes S-2,8 (average cost - 2017 million), recorded on the wife. Now imagine: you are Ilya Eliseev, your income for 2 is 603 226 9 rubles. What do you need to come up with to get this whole wonderful fleet of vehicles worth about XNUMX million?

[uskrabut]

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Anton Drozdov, Chairman of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. The official income for the year is 3 rubles.

Artyukhin R.E. Head of the Treasury - revenue in 2017 is 23 million. Well, who is cooler here?

[Vadim237]

A friend from a leasing of construction equipment has even twice as much profit a year.

[uskrabut]

The Treasury has different functions. This is a kind of bank for state employees. Somehow I do not really understand the performance of the PF functions by the Treasury. Apparently a friend got excited.

[kind]

Funds for the future payment of pensions are simply deducted from the citizen's income to a personal closed investment account. At the same time, citizens can use the funds after retirement. In addition, funds in a bank account are an inherited asset.

I talked about this for a long time. Why feed all these loafers in a pension fund ??? A bank account and it doesn’t matter where you worked and how much you received - 22% are dripped on a monthly basis, how much you have earned, so much and get retired.

[ltc35]

Quote: Vadim237

And there are no problems in their purchase by private individuals - how much money is enough for so much and buy it.

So everyone will gradually invest in Gazprom’s pension savings. Then Gazprom will remain bankrupt or split up, and retirees say that "there was nothing" ...

[Vadim237]

And how do you break it up? This company will exist until gas and oil run out in Russia and the world.

[ltc35]

And how was a single energy system fragmented?

[Marlenych]

We had a funded system. Now a moratorium on contributions to the funded part, because the current pensioners and those who have a minimum wage, social services, firefighters, military men have ceased to miss it ... And those who are now getting well in the white lost it. People with low incomes won. As an example, what was saving up there for people with a salary of 15-20 thousand, and even black? Fear God. It was precisely those who earned 50-60 in white who lost the level, again leveled in favor of the “poor” and they are still unhappy, and you can always save 22% of income on accounts with a black salary, but they are unlikely to be.

[militia2]

Quote from AUL

I think it will not be worse.

Too optimistic point of view.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Militia2

Quote from AUL

I think it will not be worse.

Too optimistic point of view.

On the contrary.

Quote: Anecdote

Pessimist: That's it. It can't be any worse ...
Optimist: Maybe even how it can!

Classic however

[Forever so]

so that imperious thieves would close one of the methods of robbing the population ??? You do it all very funny !!!)))

[earloop]

Ombudsman for Businessmen in Russia Boris Titov, head of the Growth Party, made a proposal on one aspect of a possible pension reform. According to Boris Titov, it is time to abolish the Pension Fund in Russia, as the conduct of work by this structure remains opaque. - A dangerous person, this one authorized by his initiative, who "about one aspect" unreasonably talked about the "abolition of the Pension Fund"! Such an “authorized person” will come to power and “begin” to cut wood into chips instead of firewood!

[Severok]

The Pension Fund, the Central Bank, labor exchanges, banks, simply exchanges, the Council of Federations, the Duma of all regions as well as the "ministries" of these regions, committees of all stripes, ONF, the judiciary appointed corps - a crowd of parasites, loafers and hypocrites stealing bread from working people enjoying undeserved goods.